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Peter Thayer › Comments
Why I like FriendFeed, reason No. 2197. #keeppaula isn't a big deal over here like it is over on Twitter right now. Maybe we should all pray that FriendFeed does NOT go mainstream?
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I have no clue what #keeppaula is but I don't care either. Twitter's Trending Topics mean almost nothing to me anymore.
- MarkCarras
I have rarely, if ever, even looked at the the trending topics. Only real time I notice is when others tweet about them.
- Curt Mercadante
Mark: a popular show in USA is American Idol and Paula was one of the judges on the show. Not that you cared. Twitter has largely killed off the geeks by catering to celebrities. Huge change in just a year.
- Robert Scoble
What are they doing to Pauly Shore?
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I seriously hope friendfeed doesn't go mainstream. I kinda like having a geeky corner on the web (like what Twitter use to be).
- Daynah
from iPhone
Daynah: the problem is FriendFeed will go mainstream. The only question is whether FriendFeed will go mainstream by stabbing early adopters in the back, like Twitter did, or whether it will be done organically, in which case we can always find a way to get along?
- Robert Scoble
I really can't see FF going mainstream as Twitter did. I feel like it would HAVE to be organic.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I can't imagine FF going mainstream like twitter. Most people don't have the time or inclination to do what it takes to be comfortable here.
- Myrna
OMG, they're kicking Paula off Idol???!!!
- Hutch Carpenter
great point Robert!
- BEX
for the record, Kara is smokin'
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Josh: for the record I assume you aren't talking about Kara Swisher. That's the sort of geek I am, cause I only know one Kara.
- Robert Scoble
For normal folks who don't follow celebrities or thousands of people, Twitter is pretty similar to FriendFeed in terms of overall usefulness. I'm not seeing a whole lot of dumb crap in my Twitter feed.
- mrshl
I'm cutting lots of people from my list of who I am following.
- Francine Hardaway
mrshl: in your feed, no, but I guess you don't use search very often or look over at trending topics.
- Robert Scoble
Yup, keep FriendFeed cool please. #keepcoola
- Mitch
Absolutely.
- Peter Thayer
How can anyone who takes advantage of the possibilities on FF not see its great distinction from twitter especially creativity, for one.
- Myrna
FriendFeed is a better service than Twitter... And about 98% less spam.
- Mark Davidson
Because most people can't see how the future is looking like for Friendfeed, they won't take us seriously. We won't really have to worry about the mainstream issue. Clue #1: So far, no trending topics list.
- Amir
Twitter needs better filters.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Steve: and less spammers. But that cannot be controlled, ony guided (i'm quoting Chris Pirillo's 'What is community' speech from Wordcamp '09)
- Amir
from iPod
I agree, MarkCarras, and #hashtags are lame too.
- Andy Bakun
FriendFeed's values, culture and innate brilliance are too good to repeat the errors of twitter; in other words I don't see FF going mainstream by stabbing their early adopter community in the back - as mentioned above. Organic growth + "Do No Evil" will be the future path to FF mainstream user adoption.
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Small is good, but this smacks of Indie Rock Pete's complaint, "Nothing's good if anyone else likes it."
- Info Glutton
I follow almost exactly 1/2 as many on FF than on Twitter which I think is indicative of the fast adoption rate for #FF. Just a couple months ago, the numbers weren't nearly as close. The find Twitter friends feature has had a lot to do with it.
- Rick Bucich
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- Joe
Amen
- CW™
No kidding.
- Molly Gordon
iPhone Shuffle -- Molotov followed by Britney Spears. I almost throw up in my desk! (Don't ask why I have Britney on my iPod)
I know this is a late comment...but that made me laugh -- what a contrast (and really why do you?)
- Peter Thayer
This is shameful...
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FriendFeed is not a broadcast medium, like Twitter is
- Jorge Escobar
I used to think the same, but some people just sign up and leave. Looks like he did too.
- Josh Haley
It would be great to have him back. He is an awesome machine on Twitter (with almost all links to Alltop, of course).
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
I don't see why it's so shameful. So he doesn't like using this particular service. Is there a law that says he has to? Obviously 10,000+ people don't mind. So leaving his account seems to be of value to some.
- pea
Meh. People spend too much time focusing on superstars. (I assume he's a superstar?) I'd rather focus on people who actually interact. But that's just my take on it.
- Derrick
Yeah, I don't think we mind. I meant it's shameful that Guy, who's supposedly a social media guru doesn't see how much more value he could get out of those 10k subscribers.
- Jorge Escobar
What do you mean by value? And how much more value could he get out of people here than on Twitter? (I'm assuming he's more active on Twitter though doesn't he also have ghost Twitterers? I think I read that somewhere.) And once you get to that many people subbing to you, how do you possibly interact with enough of them to gain "value" from them? I don't have answers to any of these questions. They're just popping into my head as I type. :D
- pea
I would only find it shameful if he were reporting on FF when he's obviously not actually using the service first hand. If he's not reporting on it, then he can do what he wants with his feed.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
From what I can tell all or most of his Twitter posts are automatically generated as well. (BTW who says isn't or can't be as good as or better broadcast medium than Twitter?). I think he is free to use it that way and we are free to ignore him.
- Brian Sullivan
I guess I looked up at Guy because of his work. But now I admire Louis Gray and Robert Scoble 10x more, because they are using the tools right. There is value in putting your thoughts and getting instant feedback. I learn from blog comments equally or more than from the blog post itself. Of course, this is my own opinion, and that's why I'm posting it only in my feed.
- Jorge Escobar
Jorge, why thank you!
- Robert Scoble
Lots of people just like to use the aggregation feature (is this wrong?). Their loss if they're not doing more, but are you mad at Guy that he has such a following? Mad at people for tapping into Guy's aggregated information?
- Stuart Miniman
Wow, now I'm mad (?) I'm just saying it's a shame for Guy not to use FriendFeed to its full extent. He can do whatever he wants.
- Jorge Escobar
Apostol -- you're wrong. There is value interacting with 10k and even more with 100k. You just need to use smart filtering.
- Jorge Escobar
well, whatever the reason, his subscription on Friendfeed generates interest even when he is not using it allegedly as effective as you may want. but then it IS effective all the same!?
- Ashish Tiwari
Ashish, Robert Scoble (in FF) has 44k subscribers. Guy has 10k. Guess who's more effective?
- Jorge Escobar
Nobody posts about Robert Scoble having less or more subscribers, but you did about Guy. So he is still as effective in grabbing your attention.
- Ashish Tiwari
I'm talking about effectiveness
- Jorge Escobar
One thing to note is that as it becomes easier to synchronize followers from Twitter and Facebook, those who have popular accounts elsewhere will appear popular here as well, even if they were not subscribed to specifically on FriendFeed for the value they bring.
- Louis Gray
"It’s called SOCIAL media, but the social part is often forgotten by people who just want to advertise themselves and their products. I think that social media is a great way to market a brand or product, but it’s not effective if it’s annoying and one-sided. Use social media to meet new people and engage in meaningful conversations. Large corporations are finding that outlets such as...
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- Jorge Escobar
Guy Kawasaki? Unless he build bikes I don’t know him. What makes him special?
- Remo
You have to look at it as a matter of time investment. Social networking is definitely useful, but there comes a point where the amount of people following you means you can no longer carry on a rational, useful conversation with all of them. Also, some people just use FriendFeed as a way to see ALL activities of people they're interested in in one place, not necessarily as its own conversation medium.
- Trent Hamm
Take me, for example. Most of the time, if I see something interesting on FriendFeed, I carry on the conversation on Twitter. Why? More people are there - the conversation has more relevance.
- Trent Hamm
Trent: that's horrid decision making on your part. Why? Conversations on Twitter go away cause their search sucks and because you can't permalink to an entire conversation (like you can to this one).
- Robert Scoble
Who is he anyways? Except a HEAVY Twitter user who tweets to collect followers.
- sofarsoShawn
Guy was an exec at Apple and wrote a bunch of popular books about marketing.
- Robert Scoble
Like most of these services, I think the boundaries around the right and wrong ways to use them are pretty broad. And if you think about it, FF is even MORE of a broadcast and aggregation service than Twitter because of its built-in (and original purpose, might I add) support for piping in your content from nearly 60 other services.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
David, no offense but FF is all about aggregation and nothing about broadcast. Plus you're forgetting we can comment, rate and search on any of the items piped in from all those services, so there's the value add of threading and human filtering and bubbling of good content, which Twitter seriously lacks.
- Jorge Escobar
I don't see the what the big deal is. If he's not using it the way you'd like him to then tune him out. friendfeed is not on CNN every night like facebook and twitter. If you're using social media as a place to market then you have to stick with the most populated places. Don't get me wrong, I love how friendfeed aggregates all this great info, but my audience is not here, so why would...
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- Jonathan.Rivera
Yep. that's really bad.
- anna sauce
I see Guy as a "broadcaster" (if he does use FF) and if I were subscribed to him, which I'm not, I wouldn't be interested in following. I am interested in who follows these guys. Don't you want a conversation? Are there 10K "listeners" out there?
- anna sauce
I have a sense he is someone who doesn't know how to use FF (like Louis & Robert) and thus doesn't get it. At least he's not claiming it's syphillis, despite his ignorance.
- anna sauce
I tend to view Friendfeed as more of an aggregator first and as a social tool second.
- Bill Rawlinson
@Bill that's a 100% correct assessment
- Jorge Escobar
@Bill, I agree
- Jonathan.Rivera
Bill, +1
- anna sauce
Guy will show up when the subscriber numbers grow for friendfeed. When he get's evidence of a large % of his daily/monthly website hits coming from friendfeed he'll be here. He's being pragmatic about it and focusing on where he has a large audience (twitter). He's probably busy writing while his ghost tweeters are generating stuff he approves of? By the way I'm a big fan of Guy, don't want to come across as portraying him in a bad light.
- Mark Essel
If he takes the same approach that he does on Twitter, I'd rather he just stay there. It's all broadcast and he usually tweets things days after they're posted elsewhere. It's basically his way of driving traffic to Alltop. No real value there.
- Kevin Pedraja
Agree, I like the pipes function for aggregating. Not sure how to use or of FF value beyond that. Kawasaki is into presence. Asked eight months ago to RT something, fell on deaf ears. Nothing in it for him (LOL). He was early adopter, built huge base, does nothing unless it directly links/builds Alltop brand. I guess that's 'marketing' and seems counter-intuitive in social media.
- Denis Campbell
I say Bullshit. I'll bet I can find each of you on another social network that's not active but have a profile. Guy (and everyone else) can do what they want on any social network. We shouldn't feel obligated.
- Jeremiah Owyang
This discussion is far greater than the story that triggered it in the first place. ;-)
- Caio Cesar
Jeremiah is usually good in his comments. This time, no such luck. I do have Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, LinkedIn (is that social?), Triiibes, Bitacoras, Plurk and probably 2 or 3 more I don't visit anymore. Twitter is the other social net I use, and it's all echoes from what I do in FriendFeed. The fact that Guy can find us in other places, doesn't mean he's using Social media to its...
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- Jorge Escobar
Hmmm...just weighing the opinions on this.
- Peter Thayer
You can visit Guy's website: alltop.com
- Amir
Happy 4th from Philly! Hangover'd and hungry, stayed up until 5am. Damage count: 5 yuenglings and 1 mojito.
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Please don't turn on the lights, kthanxbai
- Jorge Escobar
I invoke the 5th amendment, Aden! :) Happy Fourth!
- Jorge Escobar
Yes, I was part of this...
- Peter Thayer
Showing my good friend Peter how to FriendFeed, please help me to welcome him (http://friendfeed.com/frexco)
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Welcome to friendfeed, Peter!
- Alex Scoble
Greetings!
- Johnny Worthington
Hello, Peter!
- Nolan Alston
Thanks to everyone for the welcome. Heard a lot of good things about Friendfeed.
- Peter Thayer
Welcome Peter! :-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Peter's head is spinning, he's still trying to figure it out -- it's so funny! Thanks for welcoming him!
- Jorge Escobar
Is there a tutorial video to do an intro on FF? I remember someone talking about it
- Jorge Escobar
BTW Peter is a big fan of Twit and Leo Laporte... I wonder if Leo's around. That'd really impress Pete :)
- Jorge Escobar
welcome peter..
- Moved to Facebook
Welcome!
- Anne Bouey
Hello, Peter.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Welcome to the wild west Peter
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Hi, Peter! (Oh... three hours ago, huh? Well, drat. Hello anyway!)
- James (!?)
Welcome aboard, Peter. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
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