My #1 FF RFE at this point: I'd like to be able to go back and Edit in a photo/graphic for an existing post (or change an existing image). If something is picked up from my feed, I'd like it to have an option to automatically pull in the images. (Especially, for example, if it's a photo or cartoon entry on my blog.)
I could be wrong here, but far as I understand those things, if you post a photo to your feed here, and then share it elsewhere, that photo will be a part of that stream. Or what did you mean by "pull in" - as in "retain/ retract," or as in "ladle out" to all comers? Anyway, conditional feeds are not FF's primary bag.
- ianf ⌘
Yep, the new share dialog needs to turn into a share/edit/delete combo where we can share to new feeds, edit the pic, title and URL, and remove it from it's existing feeds. To put it into one tidy box would make things easy to understand and use. #betakoltag-sg-extservices
- Kol Tregaskes
Well stated, Kol. And excellent addition, Rachel. We have a basic edit capability for groups we create (i.e., you can edit the description and group logo at any point). I think every posted item needs that ability as well.
- Stephen Mack
agree on request to be able to edit/add/delete photos, and edit where the post is placed ... this would make Friendfeed even better than it is now
- Petr Buben
Definitely need the ability to add a photo to an existing post.
- ronin
It's hard to dispute wishful thoughts, but have (the collective) you reflected upon the fact that FFeeders may already have considered this, and rejected it for reasons ours-not-to-question-why? (It's such a no-brainer, and yet it's not here). I mean, we get to edit textual portions of posts and comments, so why at least not a basic delete/replace one picture with another? Apparently,...
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- ianf ⌘
8. The group description, name and username should be saved when you click to add services or change the group's picture. At the moment changes are lost. A warning should appear at least. Having them save would mean you wouldn't have to go into the group settings page twice, for example, to add a description and a service upon creating a new group.
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm very picky about my urls, if I create a private group, can the url be "http://friendfeed.com/hoopsom..." ? Ultimately I'd like to be able to "tag" content and then look at all content I've tagged or labled by going to a specific url under my username. groups are more powerful than tags because I can auto-populate them in lots of interesting ways. I think of tags as a generalization of "like" I don't want to say that I like something just because I want to be able to find it later.
- Hoop
Hoop, no to the URL, groups are in the format: http://friendfeed.com/<groupname>. As for tagging, yep, simply add a # before a word and that turns into a link to the search for that word, e.g. #FriendFeed or for all my suggestions and bugs posts like this use #betakoltaglist
- Kol Tregaskes
How about "liking comments"...like the ones on this post? Could be a nightmare for FF coders...
- Mitchell Tsai
Tagging Feeds: What about the option to Tag feeds so they are easier to find in the FF ecosystem? This would open up the option for subscribing to Tags and thus aggregate across many feeds at once.
i think FFs searchengine does that allready...for every word :) once we have realtime search everythings good :)
- Chris Hofmann
Yes, but searching (for example) for Roku yields very different results than searching for #Roku if you were interested in the Netflix/Amazon set-top product
- Kevin Kuphal
hm ya ure right. and not always the relevant words are in an article or headline or link. an additional textfield for tags would be sweet (can be tiny :))
- Chris Hofmann
I think there are really two types of tags here: Those that are already part of the incoming feed for each item (ex. blogger has categories, picasa has media:keywords) and overall feed tags that apply to the ALL items and help refine their context. Ex: My Sailing Blog (http://svbillabong.blogspot.com) has tags relating to the country we were sailing in. BUT I would want to add tags like...
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- Chris Myles
1. I’m in favour of removing the service icons as it means less discrimination towards certain types of posts but still feel there is a need for a few services like Last.fm, that need to be clear to users: http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
2. I like that there is no add link feature, it simplifies the posting process and makes the title a little tidier. Having the link at the end of the title is fine but perhaps that is one place where the full URL needs to be visible?: http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol #2: displaying full URL after a title is untenable in practice, since urls can be arbitrarily long (or is it 1024 chars at most?). So you'll end up having to shorten them anyway. Therefore it's be better to do away with the "http://www." bit entirely, show just the domain followed by "..." followed by a certain number of characters of the LAST element in it. E. g. this <http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment...> would become <guardian.co.uk/.../film-hitler>
- ianf ⌘
7. Creation of a new feed is confusing. At the moment we have to go into the Groups page and create new "groups". Perhaps the Create new Feed should be resurrected to the bottom of the sidebar?: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
9. There might be less spam in the FF-Feedback room if there was a clear guide after new users have registered. The first thing they see is the FF-Feedback group group entries on their home feed (as they are automatically subscribed to the FF-Feedback group). A quick overview or tutorial would really help. Perhaps new users should go through a mini questionnaire asking them of their interests and then FF suggests some groups they might like relating to their input.
- Kol Tregaskes
agreed with 9, because it's great to direct people to the room but confusing if they are not aware of what is happening
- Mike Chelen
@Kish .. sorry .... when I did not indicate to whom, I did mean it to the main post ...
- Petr Buben
@Petr - ok. It seems that you have not seen the discussion above... right now, there is no accountability. i could be replying to some post/comment and then the post/comment is changed/deleted. This is not ok for use of ff in business..
- Kishore Balakrishnan
@Petr - friendfeed cannot be used as an employeefeed due to this and some more
- Kishore Balakrishnan
@Kishore – what do you think this is, a BUSINESS network? The kind of "comments accountability" you're asking for goes against the grain of basic social interaction. FF is a platform for discussions, not legally-anchored disclosures of arguments.
- ianf ⌘
@Ianf - Even in basic social interaction, why should comments/posts be changeable when others have replied based on the _original_ comments. Anyway, am only asking for a feature that can be enabled/disabled at a group level... Why should ff not be used as a business network too ?
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Kishore, I'm not sure you are getting what it is that makes FF great, what makes it stand out among other interactive sites: it's precisely that ability to go back to own words, and rephrase them, correct mistakes, add or remove elements no longer of value. Yesterday, I pointed out in passing someone else's typo; he read and corrected it; I removed the pointer while retaining the rest of the conversationn. That's how it is supposed to be done.
- ianf ⌘
@Ianf - ff is great. I want to make it greater. Looking at it another way, am asking for "version management" - why not ?
- Kishore Balakrishnan
I keep on thinking that FF is not to be used in that way, Kishore. Besides, the concept of "greater" is only a question of personal views. I can see your point as I said above, yet I would use other services for business discussions.
- Niki Costantini
No, you are asking for public version management which, btw., is a can of worms. FF apparently – I've no connection to the team – works on the principle of unrestricted ownership for one's words, very unlike that of other services, which will gladly accept your content, but then it effectively belongs to someone else. And now you'd like to restrict it because it doesn't conform to your short-term expectations.
- ianf ⌘
@Ianf - Where do you infer "short-term expectations" ? If FF really allows me to unrestricted ownership, a group of us want unrestricted ownership for _our_ words with version management... What is wrong with that?
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Well, there's nothing that prevents you from grabbing screenshot, have printouts properly notarized with date, etc., and using them in your legal framework. FF maintains all entries in a high-level database where there is only one copy of everything at any one time (except for temporary undo-buffers during entry). Now you're effectively asking for multiple, time-stamped versions of the same, so that you could review potential changes? I'll tell you what's wrong with that: this is not yet another Wiki.
- ianf ⌘
I'm happy with the ability to edit all the time, thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Same htere, Kol. Sometimes I don't realize I made a spelling error until a while after I wrote it.
- Mol, Time Warping
I realised that as the post author, i can delete the post... which will also hide/delete all the comments! What does the ownership mean here? post author owns the comments !? Anyway, I digress..
- Kishore Balakrishnan
That's correct, as thread owner, you can delete it outright, or delete only selected comments - your own or anyone else's in the queue. You can not, however, edit others's comments. I find that acceptable behavior because, clearly, if it turns out that X routinely deletes comments by Z, then presumably Z will cease to comment on X's words, and X won't have the benefit of Z's counsel.
- ianf ⌘
Kishore, correct you own it you can delete it. You cannot edit our comments, just delete, do what you like with the thread. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I like each comment to be turned into a micro-wiki, with version history. Only the most recent version is shown, but anyone can dig up the previous versions of the comment if they wish.
- Meryn Stol
I don't think this wiki-comment necessary, but, for the sake of an argument, how would that "digging up" be conducted on screen? (not achieved underneath the hood - I know it could be done). Perhaps if you could illustrate it with a little demo movie.
- ianf ⌘
http://www.gaborcselle.com/blog... - "the traditional MIME-based email structure is replaced by wavelets (an atomic message, with multiple documents inside) and operations (a change delta between versions of a message)."
- Kishore Balakrishnan
I understand, Kishore, that you want this functionality, but reheating a conversation after a month, as you've just done, and with an incomprehensible new comment to boot, isn't quite the way to keep it afresh.
- ianf ⌘
@ianf - i find the blog post and the section _very_ relevant to this whole conversation and added it... what is wrong with that ?
- Kishore Balakrishnan
i am inclined now to agree with Kishore ..stop the editing after 5 minutes /?, or, after first comment ..allow perhaps only delete or add to text. .... and i'd be interested in your comments on http://scrapplet.com and their http://radwebtech.com ...? how does this apply? il post this to Gabor's too
- Petr Buben
Kishore, stick to the point, not these "wavelets (an atomic message, with multiple documents inside)" that are supposed to bring about the requested basic change in FF behavior. Observe, there's nothing wrong with the concept of comments becoming uneditable at some point, or providing a timeline of changes, but a blind man can see that it doesn't mesh well with the vision of what FFeeders have built (a system where comments are of clearly subordinate status to original posts, but both are editable).
- ianf ⌘
BUG?: When I create a Standard feed and add a Custom RSS/Atom with 'Include entry description as a comment', imported *comment* is treated as MY post not as group itself. With Imaginary friend, comment is treated as a group's post as entry. Intentional change?
I know it's beta but good to know that. Thanks!
- NaHi
from f2p
I think it's not yet fixed. Right? Do I need to do something like re-subscribe?
- NaHi
Same here. It can be a bit misleading to readers when they think it's come from me. Must remember to add a disclaimer in my room description :(
- Nick B.
Is it an intentional change, by any chance? Do we need to find another way to import multiauthor feeds?
- NaHi
from f2p
Not only misleading to readers also it's very annoying to see imported entries in 'My discussion'...
- NaHi
from f2p
I realized that imported entry and comment are 'anonymous' (I don't know when it's been changed). The original problem has been gone.Thanks!
- NaHi
from f2p
But the anonymous entry is still listed in 'My discussions'. Is this intended? I should post this to friendfeed-feedback group?
- NaHi
from f2p
NB: Through API, imported anonymous entry and comment are by 'me' (group admin). This matches a condition of 'discussion'...
- NaHi
from f2p
Agree, comments that come with imported entries shouldn't be listed in 'My discussions'. Hope it will be fixed soon.
- Anton
If you check out http://beta.friendfeed.com/fenderf... right now, you'll see it takes *forever* to load, as it's loading up a ton of non-thumbnail Flickr images. Is there something that could be done on the FriendFeed end to get around this, or is it purely an issue with the feed from Flickr?
Wow, it's like it's loading up the full image and shrinking it! :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Apparently this was caused by importing "...&format=atom". I switched over to "...&format=rss_200" and now it's not only switched over to importing thumbnails, but the description comes in as a comment as per the import settings. Hmm.
- Ken Sheppardson
Joined Facebook last year. I think the issue is with the FF import screen. In the screen shot above, it won't let me save both my FB status feed and FB Link feed together. It will only save the status feed (the link feed disappears). So I did this for my 1st FB import. On my 2nd FB import, I pasted my FB Link feed into both the "My Status" box and "My Links" box. I then only checked the...
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- Kevin Whalen
This is still an issue after the official launch of the redesign.
- Kevin Whalen
Hi Kevin, this doesn't have anything to do w/ the redesign. Ever since Facebook upgraded their interface, they are no longer allowing users to pull Facebook statuses into other sites. So if you were pulling in a feed from before their change, it should still work, but new ones won't anymore. We're really sorry about this. If we have a new solution, we'll definitely announce it on FriendFeed. Sorry again!
- Ana
I was starting to think I as losing it, so I just tried removing and re-adding my details, doing the same things that I did a couple of weeks ago when I signed up at Friendfeed. And I hit the same problem - they changed the links at some point between when I created my account here (which was 6th April) and now. Sorry for the confusion! (And Ana, I can confirm because I saved my links...
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- Andy Bold
Thanks for the feedback! I am still able to save my FB status feed (screen shot above) I've always had before the FB change, and it will import my FB status updates to my public profile. However I have to have a 2nd FB import to save and import my FB links feed (which I think does have a different key).
- Kevin Whalen
I really wish they made this easier, kind of grumpy with Facebook for being so arrogant on this one.
- Allan Saro
My facebook import was working, but it appears to have died some time in the last few days.
- Andy Bold
from email
try as I might I can't find the link to my RSS on facebook. I feel very stupid regarding this
- Gunny Wallen
@Gunny, don't feel stupid about it. Facebook have been messing with the RSS feeds over the last few weeks. When I signed up at Friendfeed about a month ago the first service I added was Facebook and everything worked just fine. A week later somebody else was having a problem - I pointed them in the right direction but it was pointed out to me that the links at Facebook had changed and...
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- Andy Bold
from email
The Links that FF's directions say to look for no longer exist it seems.
- Gunny Wallen
See this post for some pointers: http://friendfeed.com/axispor... But the caveat is that, as I type, my Facebook status imports have gone from Friendfeed. It's just RSS so my money is on Facebook changing the URLs again...
- Andy Bold
I have not verified this method, but Rahul did, and My status updates are coming in SO: This is my "My Status URL" http://www.facebook.com/feeds... You have to put your own numeric facebook id in that, and get the Key by doing this: "you can get your Unique key by navigating to your...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
My FB status Url is still working and importing into FF.
- Kevin Whalen
Can you share with us exactly which method you used Kevin?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I actually was able to save off my FB status Url before FB removed access to find them.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
I'm having troubles with FB2FF import, too...
- Arino
Arino, have you tried any of these methods? I'm curious to find out if anyone knows for certain how to acquire the Key necessary on one of the newer FB accounts (like mine) that has a separate key for each of the Status, Links and Notes feeds.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I am not impressed with this feature myself.
- Kevin J Hatton
New Filter: Fresh Scoble Likes: Posts where Scoble is the first (edit: only) person to like. (like:scobleizer -comments:1 -likes:2) http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
I liked one of the entries...and it doesn't disappear immediately
- Bwana ☠
Yep. Kinda related but I deleted a comment on this thread and the "Comment deleted" line is still there after several new comments have come in.
- Kol Tregaskes
Just had to say that search filter made me laugh, that's really a great idea. Amazingly well thought. ;p
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Here's a variation on this -> Fresh Blog Posts liked by Scoble: -from:scobleizer -likes:2 -comments:1 like:scobleizer service:blog
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
τorƍue wait until you see my new blog design. I let you stalk me via Google Latitude.
- Robert Scoble
The main barrier to my using FriendFeed as my main social networking site is that you have to add tweeps as imaginary friends one at a time. Ideally there would be a way to add them all at once, and, even better, an option to tell FF to automatically update our imaginary friend list when we follow/unfollow new Twitter users, and, even better, automatically detect when an imaginary friend starts using FriendFeed and automatically make them a real friend.
- Karen James
Yeah... I'm surprised no one has done anything to make this easier yet. I wish I knew more about programming. It would be very useful.
- tomit
I have one imaginary friend who had one feed (delicious) he signed up for friend feed, added his delicious feed, and it now seems like I'm following him.. but maybe not.. I'm not sure.
- Bill Rawlinson
I used to have an imaginary friend, but he blocked me.
- Stan Scott
3. Display what posts are shared to where on every page, for example, there is no display on our profile feed when posts are shared to multiple feeds: http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
8. When a thread is expanded by clicking on the more link either the comment button should drop down to the bottom of the thread or a copy of the whole line (comment, like, hide) should appear under the last comment.
- Kol Tregaskes
I would love it if we could 'like' a comment. Some comments are just as good or if not better than the post itself.
- Lennart Olsen
Little icons next to the items showing what service it comes from would be an awesome feature, especially if you could click on them to filter by that content type.
- Mr. Gunn
Not sure what 3 is talking about. 4 seems hard to implement with so much posting being automated by services. 5 seems redundant if we can just have a quick way to repost things - then you can just repost it to a private feed that you create for the purpose. I have my own thoughts about implementing 11. Otherwise, very much agreed, especially 7 through 10.
- Karl Knechtel
Karl, for 3 the link probably explains it more but if you share something via the share box to your feed + another feed, say the Feedback group, if you go onto your feed it doesn't show you that that post has also been shared to the Feedback group.
- Kol Tregaskes
Karl, for 4, well it already does detect duplicates (as you can see in the old UI) so must be possible to check this *before* posting. 5. A reshare feature is certainly a workaround for this but it needs to reshare it properly (i.e not like the old UI reshare) and share the comments as well.
- Kol Tregaskes
Feel free to share you thoughts on 11, Karl. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Ah OK, Karl. The reshare in the old UI basically is a link to the original post, so no comments are shared or synced. What would be nice is that the new reshare feature acts the same way as posting something to multiple feeds from the share box. So once you reshare it puts that post in that feed and all comments and likes. etc. are synced. Hope that makes sense? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Keeping comments/likes etc. synced has its pros and cons. Basically, it avoids confusion, but raises questions about privacy policy e.g. if something is reshared from a public feed to a private one or vice-versa.
- Karl Knechtel
Karl, very true, I don't think DMs between users only should be share-able. Only ones shared to your feed and groups. Fairly easy rule?
- Kol Tregaskes
It's not just about DMs... say I have an invite-only feed, and invite a few people in and they comment on my items there because I'm awesome ( ;) )... and then someone wants to re-share one of those items to a public group. Or say I want to re-share from the public group into my invite-only feed. What happens with comments?
- Karl Knechtel
Karl, then DMing from a private groups should be blocked. It's a goo point on posting from public to private. Any anyone suggest what could be done here?
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm sure that isn't the only issue, either, although I can't think of more right now.
- Karl Knechtel
Kol, what do you do, read my mind? (all these "0 seconds ago," too).
- ianf ⌘
16. To make FF useful as a user's blog, the ability to format, say, the first 3 comments from the share box before posting, this would need a comment box to return to the share box: http://beta.friendfeed.com/jworthi...
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, 0 seconds? I smell a bug there.
- Kol Tregaskes
Well, thank you Kol for reheating this urlinfested missive - now I can kiss the rest of the day good-bye. Lots of interesting suggestions, some downright asking to be implemented, some misguided ones. Misguided, because you can't just pile features and options onto such a complex piece of software as is the FF without extracting a penalty in lowered usability/ raised complexity (and then there are the delicate problems of entropy and spaghetti code...).
- ianf ⌘
Me, I'd gladly give up ability to share stuff to other blogs (=quite a big undertaking) if only I could unobtrusively link to and respond to comments, e.g. <http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...>
- ianf ⌘
Ianf, feel free to view your opinions on the suggestions, that's why they are posted here. ;-) Could do with more detail on "misguided ones". ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Ad #1: no dropdown menus, make it default behavior; #2: "ability to share a comment directly to a user" - like DM the commenter with commentID appended? nice, but perhaps too much of a luxury; #3: "display which posts are shared to where" – no, too much info; #4: "Duplicate post warning" - no warnings, has to be default behavior (preventing this, while noting the effort) unless posting...
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- ianf ⌘
Ad #8: disposition options should appear under the last comment - already outlined here <http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...>; #9: YES to "Better comment viewing control" - I'd be happy with default visible topmost, [any nymber of folded ones] + last two in thread; #10: "folding back...
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- ianf ⌘
Ad #13: "Ability to share from share box to Google Reader Shared Items" - no, this cross-posting incest HAS to stop. Decide which ones are your primary web-browsing fora, and which ones post-op. This one's the latter, and what a diamond it is.; #14: "Click-through tracking features" - tracking what? how? "and/or the ability to use 3rd party URL shorteners like bit.ly" - nobody's...
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- ianf ⌘
17. Little icons next to the items showing what service it comes from would be an awesome feature, especially if you could click on them to filter by that content type. - Mr. Gunn <I agree with Mr Gunn> -]
- Chris Loft
Ad #16: I'm not against making FF Be-All-To-All-People, but that's asking for trouble: "(To make FF useful as a user's blog,) the ability to format, say, the first 3 comments from the share box before posting, this would need a comment box to return to the share box." You mean "format" as in HTML? Uh-oh. Wrong metaphor. Elsewhere: you want to share text and (apparently off-page)...
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- ianf ⌘
Ad #17: The "little icons" are called "service icons" and the Beta.FF has withdrawn them. They're not coming back no matter how much you kvetch since their absence is central to the gentle visual hum-model that FF team has chosen for their project. Your (and others') longing for reinstatement of these is pure, but in the circumstances superfluous, emo. You CAN filter out posts based on their verbose "service:source" parameter, no need to do that visually on post-by-post basis.
- ianf ⌘
Oh, is that what they are called? It doesn't matter what you call them - I still want them back. They are functional and descriptive, as well as iconic. Is that official that they have been withdrawn and are never coming back?? How do you know this?? I hate scanning lines and lines of text - without some graphic 'feel' FF becomes too text based - and I start to go dyslectic. I wonder if...
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- Chris Loft
@Kol ..what comment? ..but if a comment is made on crossposted item, it'l show up everywhere, so by default, it may be less on the topic at some groups, which is not the problem anyway ..its not a police regime of can-we-talk-or-not
- Petr Buben
22. Use the drag-and-drop username feature then have that display as the user's name and linked (via a ff.im link?) to the user's profile page: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Kol Tregaskes
2. To search for a group or user just start typing the name in the search box and options that match will appear in the dropdown.
- Kol Tregaskes
3. For adding photos via the share box use the image's URL instead of the long route of saving the image to you local machine and adding it that way.
- Kol Tregaskes
4. To quickly get to the advanced search page just click the Search button with nothing in the box.
- Kol Tregaskes
5. In Firefox and Chrome at least you are able to drag and drop a user's name into the comment box. Perhaps one way to mark a comment as a 'reply'. Tip came from: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Kol Tregaskes
6. Selective "liking" posted to Twitter.
- Kol Tregaskes
7. Ability to bulk import your Twitter friends not on FriendFeed so can use FF as your Twitter client. Ability to import Twitter groups from the likes or Tweetdeck or Tweetvisor would ideal too.
- Kol Tregaskes
8. Better RSS importing, say, up to 3 paragraphs imported as separate comments and improved image/media importing (see Ivan's script which helps a lot: http://code.google.com/p...).
- Kol Tregaskes
4 RE-EDIT. A better reshare (now the 'Share button') feature that combines editing the post's title, URL and images (add, remove and rearrange order), sharing the post to new feeds (complete with all comments and likes) and editing/removing existing feeds: http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
I created a feed to serve as a virtual friend for a blogger I respect, and now her posts are showing up in "My discussions" even though there's no discussion. Help! http://beta.friendfeed.com/penelop...
1. There appears to be issues with excluding search terms, i.e. via the minus character (-): http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf.... UPDATE: I believe this is to do with point 20 (refresh issue).
- Kol Tregaskes
6. More a tidy-up than a bug but better error reporting, for instances when a post is deleted and you post a comment to it afterwards without knowing of its deletion: http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
14. Sometimes adding a photo via the share box form using the image URL freezes the browser or doesn't upload the pic (occurred in both Chrome and Firefox): http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
16. When editing a saved search the friend list selection defaults back to your first list + if multiple lists used in your saved search and is edit the list: parameter is completely removed: http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
18. The annoying character that is placed at the end of the URL in the browser's address box once we use the bookmarklet is still there and there are history issues with Chrome (probably Chrome's problem though): http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
Are you removing/updating these as they get fixed?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, that is the plan. I've not checked them all but edit a few I've noticed that have changed.
- Kol Tregaskes
21. The Twitter character counter counts leading spaces but are not posted in the tweet (so the counter should take this into account and not count them): http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
30. The 'Friends' link on the side bar should show friends only, not friends and groups. We already have a page for Groups in the sidebar below: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
31. The Save button on the Twitter publishing page appears level to the last sidebar (which could be a long way down and create a huge space from the settings to the save button): http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
37. Imaginary friends from the old UI are not displayed on the search dropdown menu + might be best to remove the DM link on the imginary friend's profile page: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, have you considered setting up a feed for your UI suggestions?
- Karl Knechtel
Karl, note some of these are not mine (check the links that point to the original post or related posts) but you can currently use this filter: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, it's up to you of course, but instead of these tags how about a FF suggestions room to which you/we could cross-post when its a suggestion ?
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan, that's really what the FF-Feedback group here is for, so feel free to comment. :-) The FFRequest group is Petr's.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ahsan, just for you I've created this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf... but I think there is already perhaps too many groups for such posts. What do you think? :-) I don't mind putting them all in this new group but I'll either way for probably post sharing or do it when I get time to re-post all the posts and comments again.
- Kol Tregaskes
1. Indications for all your feeds (not just DMs) to show the number of new posts and possibly new comments + Ability to click on the number and have it go to a page where it shows only these new posts (and probably ones that come in after) and not the old posts: http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
4. If the service icons are not to turn (which I’m kinda switching to liking) then we need the duplicate detector to be added with settings to prioritise selective services: http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf... UPDATE: Dup detector is back but not perfect and still does not work with micro-blogging services. See suggestions...
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- Kol Tregaskes
IMPLEMENTED: 7. A “smooth” real-time feature – with real-time still on and new posts and comments coming in that are pushing entries down the page, have the post you are viewing mid-page down stay exactly where it is on your screen while the scroll bar moves down. Avoids the “jumping” effect: http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
8. New bookmarklet with the same new features the new share box.
- Kol Tregaskes
9. New Notifier which allows, for example, selection of your filters.
- Kol Tregaskes
Another reason to do the namespacing thing I was getting at elsewhere (i.e. /namlhaz/feeds/johnqpublic wouldn't prevent Mr. Public from signing up later). Which also allows me to have a "webcomics" private feed while other users also have one. :)
- Karl Knechtel
Karl, this could be a reasonably good workaround for my request for categories. I'd still need to tag the entries in some way but could use, for example, http://beta.friendfeed.com/koltreg... for my photography tagged posts, which I could share out in a nice tidy-ish URL. It's not perfect as I would need to use a unique tag name but not a bad solution. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Sort my groups based on update time the way it used to. I really miss that.
- amygeek
42. Sidebars move down with your viewing post or as Kevin Fox has suggested have the main body and the sidebars as 2 separate scrollable entities: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol - PLEASE can we have daily/weekly email digest facility that we ALREADY HAD in the old FF?
- Matthew Todd
Thanks for your feedback everyone! The FriendFeed beta version is now live on http://friendfeed.com. You can continue to comment on entries in this feed, but please post your questions and comments to FriendFeed Feedback from now on (http://friendfeed.com/friendf...). Thanks again!
Surely this (and other "closed" groups) should still show as a "Group" on this page http://friendfeed.com/groups... though, shouldn't it? Right now, I have to "Browse/edit friends" instead to find it.
- Tony Ruscoe
Hi Tony, this is one of the tricky things about the new groups functionality (that's not the same as rooms). Rooms that are considered subscriptions, where you don't have posting rights, are treated just like another "person" you're subscribed to, and are listed under your "Subscriptions". Only things that you have posting privileges to, such as FriendFeed Feedback, are considered...
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- Ana
I understand. I guess I just need to stop thinking about it as a Group. That does mean I've lost the FriendFeed Beta "feed" as a shortcut in the right hand menu though. I guess the only way to get a "standard feed" into my right hand menu is to create a List solely for them. (On a related note, it would be nice if Lists expanded like they used to so that I could easily pick it out from my "Rooms" list which I created...)
- Tony Ruscoe
I just realized at 3:30 pm PDT that the FriendFeed beta was now live. Congratulations. Now I can do some things that I was holding off on doing because they involved "beta" URLs.
- John E. Bredehoft
1: I assume you mean a toggle like "accept DMs from people you don't subscribe to". 2: makes no sense to me. 3: Agreed. 4: +1, but a bad implementation could ruin the idea. 5: My gut reaction is that there are a lot of logical pitfalls lurking about here. 6: I don't really like the idea of distribution lists. If you just add to a feed, everyone can see it anyway. What we need is a way to draw subscribers' attention to the presence of a new item.
- Karl Knechtel
Karl, for 1, I believe DMs will be open to everyone regardless of whether each of you subscribe to the other. If so, then a toggle to turn it off for people who don't want to be DM'ed would probably be need.
- Kol Tregaskes
Karl, for 2 I think this can actually be done anyway, you can post to a user but also to your own feed, thus a "pulbic" DM. So can ignore 2.
- Kol Tregaskes
Karl, the idea for 6 came up from Alex as he sends out his stock market game results as DMs. If you look at one of these the list is huge and messy. Sure the names need to be seen but to have a dist. list that you can post to would be far easier to maintain than adding all those users every time you post to them. So it's more a private dist list you can create, edit and use.
- Kol Tregaskes
can i delete a DM sended to me? i don't want to see it and his comments.
- Felter Roberto
a choice "comment only to sender" or "comment to all"
- Felter Roberto
Felter, you are able to delete the entry but that would delete it from your DM page and he feed. There is no way to remove it from his feed only and thus turned into a private-style DM. Interesting feature to have though.
- Kol Tregaskes
Felter, I think the two comments options would get very complicated. What does everyone think, though?
- Kol Tregaskes
if i receive a DM, my reply could be important only for the sender, why all the other have to read it?
- Felter Roberto
7. The ability to send a DM or DM to multiple users and groups via email You can reply but not initial send atm. [cannot find reference post, sorry but was with discussion with Johnny]
- Kol Tregaskes
Agreed, but it's tricky to implement platform-independently for all, and in the unobtrusive manner that is FF's near-unique distinction among "social media."
- ianf ⌘
Darren, I guess you mean something different to what we have already, i.e. the "like" line which appears under the timestamp that lists everyone who's liked the post?
- Kol Tregaskes
I just want to be able to hover over someones name in the liked list and see for example '1 hour ago'. I understand that currently when you hover over a name in the liked list, it puts up a small user info box
- Darren Heydon
Darren, "1 hour ago" may be sort-of-informative, but what if it sez "Tuesday"? In what way would knowing that So-and-so liked This-or-that at some vaguely-specified point in time enrich our general browsing experience? I understand that it maps onto your model of weighting information in the context of time, but is that really a common method? A "like" is a like is a like, a flag raised...
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- ianf ⌘
So timestamps on likes, Darren? Yeah but not a biggie I'd say? The one reason this would be useful, though, is so that you can see the 'last activity'. Sure you can go by the latest comment but what if a like was the last activity? You can't see that
- Kol Tregaskes
I had no idea that hovering over the quote bubble next to a comment would tell you when the comment was made. Nifty.
- DGentry
Denton, there are plenty of unobtrusive and unadvertised functions still, implemented in a kind of Intentional Serendipity™. That's btw part of FF's appeal, a gentle learning curve most of us go through while we discover, and attempt to make sense of, FF's unique functionality - is it an RSS reader? email/ IM/ chat-client? notification system? editable blog front-end with contextual comments? etc.
- ianf ⌘
Kol, that is exactly what I'm on about.
- Darren Heydon
I'm liking this comment @ 12:46 am Eastern Standard Time
- BEX
@Kol: "what if a like was the last activity? You can't see that" – since when has FF become a center for keeping track on fellow mens' awake-state?
- ianf ⌘
Ianf ⌘ you over analyse shit way too much
- Darren Heydon
Darren, yeah, around here it is known as taking yer brain out for a spin. And I'm just trying to make you think ?why? do you believe dating mere "likes" would be of benefit to us all (because, surely, you weren't thinking just in ego terms?)
- ianf ⌘
LOL thanks Bex! just saw that then :)
- Darren Heydon
Ianf ⌘ I don't just suggest improvements willy nilly. If I don't believe it is of benefit to us all I won't suggest it
- Darren Heydon
Belief is in the eye of the beholder - show us the benefits of timestamped likes.
- ianf ⌘
Ian, it was a simple suggestion, not a debate. Never demanded it to be implemented. End of
- Darren Heydon
Ian, I don't understand your last above to me above, sorry?
- Kol Tregaskes
Replying via DM, as Darren wants to cap this this-shouldn't-have-been-debate.
- ianf ⌘
Which version do you use for Chrome? Curious people want to know.
- Brent - Long Live Rock
I've got 2.0.176.0 but looks like there is an update waiting to install.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I went back to 1.0.154.59 because of rendering issues. :(
- AJ Batac
I might try that to get Google Reader working on it again, a right pain having to use FFox for GReader atm. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Looks like the friendfeed logo has a grey background now. it didn't yesterday… :( and the little balloons before comments have backgrounds too now…
- Remo
Remo, it looks OK on mine, what's your browser?
- Kol Tregaskes
AJ Batac - Fixing broke ass hideous UI's for free without even a thankyou from the site's owner since 2009
- Matthew DeVries
http://friendfeed.com/friendf... You need to add this AJ's skin to make FriendFeed perfect again and unbreak it. For some reason, that thread can't be bumped up on it's own.
- Matthew DeVries
Just tested here... As expected only works if sent from a ff-registered email address. Potential for spam if someone fakes a registered email addy?
- Nick B.
wonder if setting a different reply to: will have any effect? I register with one address and usually send from that one, but have different return path (to filter the humans from the bacon)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
We handle spam using SPF and other forms of email verification. If we can't confirm that the email came from a verifiable, known sender, we require a confirmation step. Let us know if you see any issues with our spam prevention.
- Bret Taylor
curious if you can email people you aren't subbed to now, since before you could only DM a subscriber.
- chrisofspades
Chris: you should only be able to email people who are subscribed to you.
- Tudor Bosman
You can also DM yourself and Micah has suggested this could be a way to send yourself a private bookmark. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, emailing to multiple feeds should work.
- Tudor Bosman
from email
I guess you can do things like sending the same message as a comment to an existing thread and as the initial message of a new one through e-mail at the same time, can't you?
- Rodrigo
from email
Kol, yeah that's how I discovered the new feature, by emailing/DMing myself.
- chrisofspades
Rodrigo: that should also work and act as if you're resharing to the other feed. Consider this feature experimental, though.
- Tudor Bosman
from email
Oohh, would love to be able to DM myself and have it route to a different feed/group.
- jcunwired
@jcunwired, you should be able to do that already by including those groups in an email.
- chrisofspades
from email
this is awesome! - laughing @ Bret's commment hahahaha !!!
- Susan Beebe
Really? Well then it should have been fixed long ago :-)
- Larry Hudson
I'd like to see this addressed differently than adding LinkLength to the count. I'd like to see count be count as it is in Twitter (I think this is better for bringing Twitter users over) but when count > 140 - LinkLength, show a inline message indicating the link will push it over 140, and provide a checkbox to opt-out of the link for that post.
- Wade Dorrell
made similar suggestion - agreed -link length should be subtracted from total twitter char count
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Very good point. Agree this should be added or higlighted. If we take into account the link what is the max text we can use? How long is the link?
- Kol Tregaskes
Making the char counter red colored when > 119 would do the trick.
- bnoise
Daniel, the URL only take sup 19 characters in total for me. But it's even worse if you have a pic attached, it takes up 26 characters and so you only have 114 to pay with. :-( Why do you need the "[pic]" bit anyway??
- Kol Tregaskes
Please fix this FriendFeed. This makes me keep away from Friendfeed as a Twitter client...
- Svartling
Posting messages to FriendFeed Beta without the link field is annoying CC to Twitter. The full link gets posted to Twitter and then a ff.im link after it that doesn't even redirect directly to the site any more since it doesn't recognise the post as a link.
Can we bring it back? I don't care how it's displayed in the post (i.e. after the message) but there has to be a way to label the whole post as a link and not having that whole link CC to Twitter.
- Andrew Trinh
Bump once again. Now that it's official, I find that I can no longer CC posts to Twitter. The shorted FF URL is useless if I want to redirect to the source as it doesn't recognise the post as a link.
- Andrew Trinh
Didn´t think of it at first but I´m totally with you on this one.
- Thomas Bøhm
Another Twitter thing I´d love to see is that when I like a Twitter item on FF, and FF of course then knows the twitter name of the poster, what is posted to Twitter is "RT @[poster´s_twittername] [tweet]" instead of "Liked '[tweet]'". If FF added a link to go to the tweet which the original tweet was a reply to as well, I could finally use FF as a minimal twitter client.
- Thomas Bøhm
i hate this!!! this is something that's been really frustrating for me
- Cee Bee
Sorry everybody, we're still figuring out how this should look. Thanks for the suggestions, and we hope to fix this experience very soon.
- Casey Muller
Current Friendfeed UI is great for it's tiny interface tweaks that bring a great experience of working with a huge information flow. It would be great if they'll be in the new interface too (list below).
1. Keep showing 2 latest comments instead of one in a long discussions — it's easier to understand, have you missed something fresh or not (it means you need to expand the whole branch less often).
- Juras Vetrau
2. Current settings for collapsing a set of entries from one service (i.e. 5 latest Last.FM songs — 3 or less is not collapsed, more than 3 has 2 entries shown) is great, don't decrease it to just one item.
- Juras Vetrau
3. Much talked about service icons — bring them back, they help you to scan your feed more easily. In the new design quite worthless items like Last.FM entries look the same as interesting delicious links or frf-discussions — you have to read instead of scan, it makes friendfeeding painful.
- Juras Vetrau
4. Don't collapse service icons on the user profile page into 5 with more link — they're great for quick service feed refresh.
- Juras Vetrau
5. Let people choose autogenerated feed names If you plan to remove imaginary friends. Many people use Friendfeed as a RSS-reader — it's a real headache to think-out a name for every private feed.
- Juras Vetrau
6. Put subscription manager to a separate page — it's a pain to scroll hundreds of subscriptions inside of a tiny popup.
- Juras Vetrau
7. Bring back a note about lists your subscription is in (i.e. John Smith: Home, Professional).
- Juras Vetrau
8. Bring back "show all" link to subscriptions/subscribers lists — it's very useful (i.e. you want to pick some subscriptions for recommendation).
- Juras Vetrau
9. It would be great to have filters in subscriptions list that allows you to see only imaginary friends, rooms or regular users.
- Juras Vetrau
10. Add an option in settings to have realtime paused by default in all lists.
- Juras Vetrau
11. Hope you'll bring back an ability to see all items from a service that is connected to your profile (now you're able to see only aggregated feed).
- Juras Vetrau
12. Keep entries compact — current design is very easy to scan when title is a link (and also easier to click — the link is on the same place for any entry). In the new design they're separate — it's a noise that makes scanning harder.
- Juras Vetrau
+ block with popping up rooms with date/time of latest activity was my main pattern for rooms monitoring, it helped me to cope with their quantity (more than 50)
- Anton Noginov х
14. "5 more entries" link under a series of posts from one entries (i.e. when you've liked 6 Last.FM tracks) is hardly visible — it's too close to content. In the current design it's distincted with a space between the link and the next entry. Please make it more visible.
- Juras Vetrau
15. Bring "hide" link back to main controls area. It's very unuseful in a new position: 1) too far from main mouse route; 2) opens with a delay. It makes filtering process a pain when one of the most used links is put away. Filtering is one of FriendFeed's killer-features and one of it's core functions.
- Juras Vetrau
I totally agree. Hide and permalink should be in the same place as comment/like.
- Kirill Petrovsky
16. Bring back "user is subscribed/not subscribed to you" information to user popup.
- Juras Vetrau
17. Visited links should be highlighted.
- Juras Vetrau
I tried the beta FriendFeed embedding feature in my self-hosted Wordpress blog, but Wordpress strips any iFrame code from a blog post. Any suggestions for a workaround?
I'm not that sophisticated with javascript. Can anyone come up with a script that will "fool" Wordpress into accepting the iFrame?
- Mark Traphagen
maybe something simple like: <script type="text/javascript">document.write('<if' + 'rame src="blahblah" />");</script> - so if wordpress is doing some simple looking for an iframe, it won't actually see those letters together.
- felix
Thanks Felix! Would I place that in the header of my site, or on each post where an iframe occurs?
- Mark Traphagen
that would be in place of the location of each iframe - it's essentially the same thing as putting the iframe there... if it works at all! :)
- felix
Mark, it seems to be OK on my WP test site here: http://www.e-lusion.co.uk/blog.... This uses the embed code without any alterations. I'd be interested to hear if you get your issue resolved.
- Kol Tregaskes
it doesn't seem like wordpress should strip an iframe out. Are you entering it via the HTML editor or the visual editor?
- Bill Rawlinson
It worked fine on mine: http://faboomama.com/2009... Are you pasting it into the HTML view? If you paste it into Visual, it will strip out all code.
- Anika
In drupal what I have to do is create a javascript post type that doesn't include any formatting. Then I can create a block and include any javascript in that block. Otherwise the drupal filters will strip out anything interesting. I'm not sure if wordpress has a similar feature.
- Todd Hoff
Input the code into sidebar.php NOT in wordpress wp-admin and test again. Should work.
- Nicholas James
Anika, I had pasted it into the HTML view, but then switched to the Visual mode to add more content. Maybe that's where it went wrong. Let me try staying in HTML and see what happens. If that doesn't work, then I'll try some of the coding solutions already offered.
- Mark Traphagen
Nicholas: but I want it to show up as a post, not a sidebar item.
- Mark Traphagen
I added my content in the Visual view, then went to HTML, pasted in the iframe. Published from there.One thing I've learned working with WP is if you put something in via HTML and then edit in Visual, it will strip out iframe and embed coding.
- Anika
one of the best features of FriendFeed feed widget - it comes also as .png pic .... when creating widget, select that other than JavaScript option ..that takes care of a lot of things ... but true, links inside that are not live - it all leads to your group
- Petr Buben
Mark do you want it to show in a single post or in all posts?
- Nicholas James
Nicholas: It would be a post-by-post basis. Just something I would use from time to time
- Mark Traphagen
Mark: You might as well import the "image" version if you're doing the post-by-post version.
- Nicholas James
Anika FTW! Staying in HTML view did the trick. Completed post is here: http://foolishsage.com/2009... Thanks SO MUCH to everyone who chimed in here. FriendFeed is the best!
- Mark Traphagen
I've found that WP will work ok with iframes as long as you only use the html mode. If you ever go into visual mode then the iframe is stripped out. The way I deal with this is to have my iframes all on a blog that's kept invisible from the public. Then if I lose one of my iframes I can just copy & paste from my other blog.
- Isha (Marysia)
I suggest, temporarily, the friend- part of logo points to classic, and -feed part to beta .... this is no big brain-dead corporation, unable to make any decisions whatsoever, much less the quick ones
- Petr Buben
I might also suggest to have links to Twitter and Facebook/customize at the top ..but that's just me :] .. PLUS, id run Twitter gadget, just like Gmail has - http://twittergadget.appspot.com/ .. on the left, bellow the Table of Content for the respective Group
- Petr Buben
I don't think the beta is going to be around for long (initially was stated it would be only a few weeks), would be nice but perhaps not a must-have?
- Kol Tregaskes
Can we please have a 'switch to non-beta verson' button?
- Isha (Marysia)
It expands them more than when the rest of the comments aren't visible but not as much as when you are on the entry page. We can tweak the numbers to build the best user experience.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: I think the experience should be predictable -- now it seems not. "More" link locations are unpredictable (some long comments have no "more" links shorter comments do), expanding more comments produces unpredicatable (in my mind anyway) results (it should expand all more links to the full extent). Even viewing the "direct" link seems unpredictable (I have one where it expands a comment partly but still leaves a "more" link)
- Brian Sullivan
I wrote a user script that work in Firefox and Chrome that opens the full comment when the mouse hovers over the comment paragraph: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
Maybe offer an option to disable Friend-Of-A-Friend entries? When you 'hide' them all, only two or three non-hidden entries per page remain sometimes. That's unusable, the only way is to add separate friend list (in friend lists there are no FOAF entries) and use it as a home feed.