@Kish .. sorry .... when I did not indicate to whom, I did mean it to the main post ...
- Petr Buben
@Petr - ok. It seems that you have not seen the discussion above... right now, there is no accountability. i could be replying to some post/comment and then the post/comment is changed/deleted. This is not ok for use of ff in business..
- Kishore Balakrishnan
@Petr - friendfeed cannot be used as an employeefeed due to this and some more
- Kishore Balakrishnan
@Kishore – what do you think this is, a BUSINESS network? The kind of "comments accountability" you're asking for goes against the grain of basic social interaction. FF is a platform for discussions, not legally-anchored disclosures of arguments.
- ianf ⌘
@Ianf - Even in basic social interaction, why should comments/posts be changeable when others have replied based on the _original_ comments. Anyway, am only asking for a feature that can be enabled/disabled at a group level... Why should ff not be used as a business network too ?
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Kishore, I'm not sure you are getting what it is that makes FF great, what makes it stand out among other interactive sites: it's precisely that ability to go back to own words, and rephrase them, correct mistakes, add or remove elements no longer of value. Yesterday, I pointed out in passing someone else's typo; he read and corrected it; I removed the pointer while retaining the rest of the conversationn. That's how it is supposed to be done.
- ianf ⌘
@Ianf - ff is great. I want to make it greater. Looking at it another way, am asking for "version management" - why not ?
- Kishore Balakrishnan
I keep on thinking that FF is not to be used in that way, Kishore. Besides, the concept of "greater" is only a question of personal views. I can see your point as I said above, yet I would use other services for business discussions.
- Niki Costantini
No, you are asking for public version management which, btw., is a can of worms. FF apparently – I've no connection to the team – works on the principle of unrestricted ownership for one's words, very unlike that of other services, which will gladly accept your content, but then it effectively belongs to someone else. And now you'd like to restrict it because it doesn't conform to your short-term expectations.
- ianf ⌘
@Ianf - Where do you infer "short-term expectations" ? If FF really allows me to unrestricted ownership, a group of us want unrestricted ownership for _our_ words with version management... What is wrong with that?
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Well, there's nothing that prevents you from grabbing screenshot, have printouts properly notarized with date, etc., and using them in your legal framework. FF maintains all entries in a high-level database where there is only one copy of everything at any one time (except for temporary undo-buffers during entry). Now you're effectively asking for multiple, time-stamped versions of the same, so that you could review potential changes? I'll tell you what's wrong with that: this is not yet another Wiki.
- ianf ⌘
I'm happy with the ability to edit all the time, thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Same htere, Kol. Sometimes I don't realize I made a spelling error until a while after I wrote it.
- Mol, Time Warping
I realised that as the post author, i can delete the post... which will also hide/delete all the comments! What does the ownership mean here? post author owns the comments !? Anyway, I digress..
- Kishore Balakrishnan
That's correct, as thread owner, you can delete it outright, or delete only selected comments - your own or anyone else's in the queue. You can not, however, edit others's comments. I find that acceptable behavior because, clearly, if it turns out that X routinely deletes comments by Z, then presumably Z will cease to comment on X's words, and X won't have the benefit of Z's counsel.
- ianf ⌘
Kishore, correct you own it you can delete it. You cannot edit our comments, just delete, do what you like with the thread. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I like each comment to be turned into a micro-wiki, with version history. Only the most recent version is shown, but anyone can dig up the previous versions of the comment if they wish.
- Meryn Stol
I don't think this wiki-comment necessary, but, for the sake of an argument, how would that "digging up" be conducted on screen? (not achieved underneath the hood - I know it could be done). Perhaps if you could illustrate it with a little demo movie.
- ianf ⌘
http://www.gaborcselle.com/blog... - "the traditional MIME-based email structure is replaced by wavelets (an atomic message, with multiple documents inside) and operations (a change delta between versions of a message)."
- Kishore Balakrishnan
I understand, Kishore, that you want this functionality, but reheating a conversation after a month, as you've just done, and with an incomprehensible new comment to boot, isn't quite the way to keep it afresh.
- ianf ⌘
@ianf - i find the blog post and the section _very_ relevant to this whole conversation and added it... what is wrong with that ?
- Kishore Balakrishnan
i am inclined now to agree with Kishore ..stop the editing after 5 minutes /?, or, after first comment ..allow perhaps only delete or add to text. .... and i'd be interested in your comments on http://scrapplet.com and their http://radwebtech.com ...? how does this apply? il post this to Gabor's too
- Petr Buben
Kishore, stick to the point, not these "wavelets (an atomic message, with multiple documents inside)" that are supposed to bring about the requested basic change in FF behavior. Observe, there's nothing wrong with the concept of comments becoming uneditable at some point, or providing a timeline of changes, but a blind man can see that it doesn't mesh well with the vision of what FFeeders have built (a system where comments are of clearly subordinate status to original posts, but both are editable).
- ianf ⌘