Elgg classic was very good, now elgg one is much better. And it was a software intended for social nets, not a converted =)
- Arturo Servin
from twhirl
Andy Peatling will be talking about BuddyPress (WP-based social network project) at WordCamp SF on Saturday... good timing.
- Mark Jaquith
from twhirl
It will be interesting to see if BuddyPress can compete in the enterprise social networking space.
- Nick Martin
Sarah, I didn't know about the Action Streams plugin, but I liked DavidRecordon website so much that I did my own c# script to generate something like that. http://www.alexsauceda.com
- Alex Sauceda
Thank you very much for such a good article. I just build a new website and build up my own social network too.
- Kenn Nguyen
Thank you very much for such a good article. I just build a new website and build up my own social network too. I'm the founder of http://wweo.net
- Kenn Nguyen
Very True Loic you made it very clear how easy it is to follow the comments!!
- Paul
FF only works as a feed reader if you like "river of news". If you don't, then it isn't good enough.
- Ian Betteridge
from twhirl
I will not follow you on that one. A think both have very different missions. GReader really is a tools while FF is also a communication device
- Eric Sausse
from twhirl
it has already replaced it for, right now I'm going through some 4 days old posts in gReader, I tend to stop by there less and less
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
from twhirl
With out google reader or twitter, FF would not be what it is today. Remember it's a big circle jerk. I do not see FF killing google reader nor twitter any time soon.
- Mike Fruchter
when will we be able to like comments? :)
- Tim Hoeck
FF certainly doesn't have enough people talking about every single topic I subscribe to. I'm glad you guys aren't preachers at a church, the end of the world would have supposedly been last week.
- Shawn Farner
For me, Google Reader is an even more essential part than Twitter of my FriendFeed experience. So ... as said before... FriendFeed will _not_ kill Google Reader or Twitter, etc. What is happening, however, is that often, the items in Google Reader are arriving after I've already read them via FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
These things always go on through June. Then we have the killing. Or something like that.
- Michael Markman
Eric Sausse, you have a good point, you cannot add just a feed in Friendfeed, they first need to be registered there and added their feed. But FF could add that very easily, adding feeds from people who are not in FF. Then it would put pressure on them to finally jump into the bandwagon
- Loic Le Meur
I agree with Louis & others - GR feeds FF for me.
- R. Ferguson
You can "just add" a feed in FF -- check out the imaginary friends feature
- Brian Sullivan
FF lets you publish your *filtered* google reader shared items, together with other stuff, to make an impression of you and your interests. That's how I see FF: almost a snapshot of a personality. For me GReader is a tool that you can use to filter items into your FF.
- IanBlackburnold
Brian Sullivan, thanks I was wondering the imaginary friend thing! now I know. Here we go, no need for Google Reader anymore...
- Loic Le Meur
yeah, I wont use FF for all of my feeds, I am subscribe to way too many and have already my routine with it. FF is more of a discovery + conversation experience for me
- Gilbert Corrales
from twhirl
Ian, right: I don't want people to form an impression of me based on my subscriptions to D:Listed, TMZ, The Superficial, and Perez Hilton, unless they are really really important, then I'll share the story. And now I've tipped my hand. But anyway: there's a community for feed discovery already: Tuluu. GReader + FF is about what's interesting from the feeds.
- Mark Trapp
I'm with the GReader feeding FF crowd on this one. I use GReader to get the news I want and FF to share it and create conversation. FF is a great discovery tool but I still read a ton of stuff in my feeds before it appears on FF. The UI is set up better for conversation rather than just information digesting IMO.
- Devlin Dunsmore
@devlin I agree... i'm finding it very hard to read pages and pages of link/comments on FF.
- Gaurav Sikka
I hope FriendFeed doesn't kill Google Reader. I find them both vital but I couldn't substitute one for the other.
- Kevin Fox
Again, this isn't going to happen. Services don't always have to exist just to kill other services. Especially ones that do different things
- MG Siegler
FriendFeed adds much value for me, but the only thing it's killing is time and maybe Scoble's marriage. I wish Loic would work on something more productive like getting Apple to make Seesmic videos work on the iPhone!:-)
- Robert Seidman
We like having a choice for everything we do, but on the other hand, we expect (and sometimes hope) one choice to kill another. No wonder the world can't live in peace all together ;)
- Turker Keskinpala
I never liked Google Reader's UI, but I feel right at home with FriendFeed.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
So true, but time flies too fast when im on friendfeed, i cant stop reading and sending messages! Great conversations though!
- Scott Purdie
going to have to disagree ... couldn't possibly get through all my feeds via FF - just too many for the FF interface
- timepilot
Google Reader is a feed reader, FriendFeed is a feed generator. Sorry, they serve completely different purposes (at least to me). No killing here.
- dgw
friendfeed doesn't allow me to categorize sources, nor can I tag or flag specific feed items in a way that makes it easy for me to refer back to later. for al the hype about friend feed being where the "conversation", it seems like a really poor utility for that. I see that on this blog post alone, the "conversation" is distributed across friendfeed through google shared reader posts, twitter references, disquss comments. The techcrunch "Twitter" post is even a better example. fractured conversation.
- bernie
When will folks realize FF is something NEW? IT isnt goign to kill much of the other stuff.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
would love keyboard shortcuts for FF too
- Loic Le Meur
FF is useful as a human filter on the old echo chamber of tech but could never replace a feed reader. gReader shared items into FF is part of the signal for me, but, not a replacement. Much like RSSMeme and it's FF filter. And then there's the twisty bit where I read FF via a feed readier in the first place ...
- Ashton
I'm still new to FF, but I like the search function that Google provides to even the oldest of the feeds. Not sure I would want the number of feeds I subscribe to coming through to FF. I like the combination of posts and conversation along with a few updates from other services like flickr or Digg. I think the 'conversation' would be seriously degraded with the addition of a number of RSS feeds. I would need to see how well FF handles growth before moving from Google Reader.
- Brenda Young
FINE, BUBBA. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU WERE SHARING YOUR TOYS ANYWAY.
- Bruce Lewis
CRISTO, THERE IS NO REASON FOR YOU TO USE "CAPABLE" AND "I" IN THE SAME SENTENCE.
- Bruce Lewis
MARTY, IF YOU WOULD PAY ATTENTION, YOU'D KNOW THAT THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT DRAMA. TURTLES ARE NOT DRAMA ANIMALS, DUH! LLAMAS ARE THE ONLY ANIMALS ALLOWED MENTION IN THIS THREAD, AND ONLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF CORRECTING THOSE WHO ASSOCIATE THEM WITH DRAMA.
- Bruce Lewis
CRISTO, WHAT PART OF "YOU" DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
- Bruce Lewis
DIRECTED AT EVERYONE ELSE: THERE IS NO REASON TO USE "CAPABLE" AND "CRISTO" IN THE SAME SENTENCE.
- Bruce Lewis
CRISTO, SINCE YOU'RE UNACCUSTOMED TO BEING UPSIDE DOWN, ALL THE BLOOD WOULD RUN TO YOUR HEAD, YOU'D BE UNABLE TO THINK, AND THERE WOULD BE NO DISCERNIBLE DIFFERENCE.
- Bruce Lewis
WHO USES THE WORD "BROAD" ANYMORE? OH YEAH, JUST MARY.
- Bruce Lewis
I don't laugh at abnormality either, Cristo, you are losing your touch, too?
- Liza + = ?
ERIC, I PUT WHAT I'M DOING AT THE TOP OF THIS THREAD IN ALL CAPS SPECIFICALLY SO YOU WOULDN'T ASK IN THE COMMENTS. CLEARLY I WASTED A PERFECTLY GOOD CAPS LOCK KEY.
- Bruce Lewis
CRISTO, IF YOU THINK YOU CAN DO BETTER, GO FOR IT. BUT THANKS TO ME PEOPLE ARE NOT MISSING THE DRAMA, AND FRIENDFEED IS A BETTER PLACE, MUCH LIKE GMAIL POST-KEVIN-FOX.
- Bruce Lewis
No, I don't think anyone's missing the drama tonight, Bruce. But the llama just spilled its martini and wants a refund of the cover charge unless they tell it who you're opening for.
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
Yes. I always miss the drama. And post about it, thereby causing more drama when Mr. Snarkypants has to post about how lame people like me are.
- Laura Norvig
In Pic #3, I am holding my youngest brother (picture in 1984). In pic #4, I am with my younger brother who was a year behind me. He is sporting one of our Superman capes.
- Louis Gray
These remind me of Chris Pirillo's kid pics. Do glasses predestine you to become a geek? :) I think I'll ask the government for millions of dollars to study that question. Fascinating.
- Dawn
Adorable !! Thanks for sharing :) I wish I had more pics of my childhood (they're all at my Mom's house!)
- Susan Beebe
When I first came on to ff today, this is what I saw at the top of the feed. As I leave, it is at the top again. Thus, I both start and end the day smiling.
- Katy S
It looks just like Derrick is about to say "Goo goo ga ga"
- iTad
I'm just gonna go ahead and let this be my embarrassing photo meme entry.
- Derrick
Here in West Hollywood, my best friend of 18 years and his boyfriend are getting married. So yes, I get to be a groomsman at a gay wedding - prop 8 or not. Should be awesome.
- Louis Gray
It was a fantastic ceremony. One of the best weddings I have ever seen. It was traditional Jewish themed, so I am wearing a yarmulke to match the vest and tie. Lots of great friends from my teenage years.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Louis, I own a yarmulke as well - my wife brought it for me when she visited Israel
- Jesse Stay
+ a million for the whole thread. Looks like you're picking up some admirers here, Louis! Nylissk, we gotta warn you, you're ging after a married man with many admirers. You want a piece of this guy, you're gonna have to get in line - like filing a lien on a house with five mortgages and a line of credit, with outstanding remodeling bills. ;-)
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
Hey, who is this guy from the past. Has he come to warn us about the future?
- Eric - seven eleven
This is clearly not my cat. If this was my cat he's have one arm shoved down into the printer trying to tear up all the internal whirling bits with his bare claws.
- Soup in a TARDIS
Too Funny! Reminds me of the San Mateo Cat Shelter where one of the cats loves to sleep on top of the laster printer where the paper comes out...
- Greg Lato
1600+ to beat the FFundercats live chat thread. I think with this real time now on all threads we're going to see some truly epic comment numbers.
- Simon Wicks
Ivan, no the picture speaks for itself. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Petr, I have no idea what you mean, but thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol .. :] that, partially, might have been the purpose.... I don't know it exactly either. :] .. was I reflecting on a cat under the fax, and that it is hard to fax that way ... /?:] ... "underfaxing at its worst" ..
- pb:
there ya have me ! :] .... see, to be honest with you, i saw this pic couple days ago, but i let it go, without posting it ..... what does that make me? :]
- pb:
even a flat cat... faxes just can't handle the hair. You'd have to shave the cat first, else the hair will burn and stick to the drum... a mess! (I am extrapolating from transparencies, mind, i don't have access to a cat to test)
- Iphigenie
Hehe, Joelle. This is now tied for the 'likes' top stop. One more then, hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, Greg. Blimey! Erm, is that not far from 500 likes now? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bloody marvelous, Kol. Wish I could like it again... too cute (and help u to 500 likes).
- Roberto Bonini
I couldn't believe it when I logged on from the morning over posting it and saw it was at something 200 likes! You all have a strange fetish with cats and fax machines, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Am I the only one who saw this and their first thought was - My goodness did someone break that cats neck? It still freaks me out a little
- SteVe C
Steve, it does look a little out of place, but cats are pretty bendy. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
So we can put this post to rest now. :-) 505 likes final count, wow! :-D Good night all!
- Kol Tregaskes
did 3 people really un-like this? now at 506. wtf (edit: uh, oh, yeah, me and 2 + 506 others makes 509. dammit, jim, i'm an artist, not a mathematician)
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
One of the best funny cat pictures I've seen! :-)
- John Collis
Kristian, it appears to be. Hehe, John.
- Kol Tregaskes
ای بابا این پیشول بی خیال نمی شود، بابا پاشو برو دنبال یه بازی دیگه ، از هفته پیش تا حالا تو فکس ولو شدی حوصله ات سر نرفته، پاشو اقلا بپر رو کیبوردی چیزی
- Maryaminaa
It's really only social convention which regards it as inappropriate, same with Xeroxing it, like one does with their b__tocks. Wait are we still talking about cats cats here or...
- sofarsoShawn
OMGosh 700+ likes now!! LOL. Thank you all 702 of you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Just remember- this is not a competition, just an exhibition. @Kyle - ever been to Culver, IN? Grew up there before moving to Chicago.
- michael sean wright
Nice: I have been to Culver! You are in Chicago now? I will have to let you know next time I am up your way.
- Kyle Lacy
Not sure about that, but: "Time present and time past are both perhaps present in time future and time future contained in time past. If all time is eternally present all time is unredeemable." - Swatch, Always Now, 1997 (and yes my lunch, at 1:42am local, is consisting of a double martini so that actually makes some sense to me)
- David HC Soul
are you saying that time "now" has no meaning? i (obv.) reject this but toast your willingness to acknowledge the wisdom of a dean martin martini. now, for you sir, on to the work of most importance. focus on the permanent.
- michael sean wright
Well, I will grant that the sentiment of French Marshall Lyautey has some merit (he asked his gardener to plant a tree and when the gardener objected that the tree was slow growing and would not reach maturity for 100 years the Marshall was said to have replied, 'In that case, there is no time to lose; plant it this afternoon!').... So I am off to plant some trees....
- David HC Soul
you, i like. and will point you to Hermann Hesse before he won the Nobel Prize for 'The Glass Bead Game' in which he wrote in in the idyllic poem "Hours in the Garden" (1936)- 'I hear music and see men of the past and future. I see wise men and poets and scholars and artists harmoniously building the hundred-gated cathedral of the Mind." - (forword to Glass Bead Game by by Hermann Hesse by Theodore Ziolkowski.)
- michael sean wright
Thanks for the pointer - I'll go search it out.
- David HC Soul
I hope so. The thought is consuming much of my waking hours these days.... But I have to be up in 5 hours... so will have to return to the 'nightcrew' tomorrow night. One thing about time is it does seem to age one....
- David HC Soul
sleep perchance to dream, a wise man said. Billy Shakespeare.
- michael sean wright
Then pause now to ask yourself the following question: "Am I dreaming or awake, right now?"
- David HC Soul
man, most of the ppl who liked this i haven't seen on FF in ages. maybe i'm doing it wrong.
- Hieronymous Boosh
for most of us we met here, stayed loyal here but the sun set long ago : ( what a rush of a time that was! now we find ourselves over at g+ telling stories of the good ol' days!
- michael sean wright
Meme-inless no more! always been an interesting world with you!
- michael sean wright
oh and... i do have some google+ invites left - email me nicefishfilms at g ma i l dot co m
- michael sean wright
I'm curious now - did google + make you come back to FF? Because that is v interesting.
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
yes, we did the podcast when ff was acquired by the book of face.. watched them absorb the real-time elements and i check in from time to time usually through this post as it brings back very fond memories. google + reminds me of the early days of ff - haven't felt that way about any of the social nets that have come since the facedbooked swallow up. heaven knows we've been on them all and they seem so ancient now -- quora anyone? google got it right with +. think it marks the next era for them.
- michael sean wright
Google + right now does remind me of the FF glory days and I am curious to see what happens next.
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
http://twitter.com/movieguyjon - I say weird shit, bitch at random times, and will say more weird shit. Occasionally I'll post fun things too, with a smidgeon of inane. :P
- Jonathan Hardesty
Pretty clever way to work in a plug for your timeline.. I like your style, Kol ;)
- Brad McCrorey
http://twitter.com/dennis_... (don't forget the underscore) What do I tweet about? Tech, fiction, art, music, politics, comics, and of course my fiction. Occasionally some Seattle or Bremerton related stuff. I also have TwitterFeed tweet my blogs, and I always tweet from Flickr.
- Dennis Jernberg
i post about film and television editing/post production, I'm a bit of a gadget nerd, and i like anything funny on the web. i love followers... http://twitter.com/toddzelin
- Todd Zelin
I'm sure you're all interesting but following 6,000 is my limit. ; )
- Liz
http://twitter.com/cgranier - I tweet about many things -usually tech-oriented, reply to everyone who @'s me, and have lately been posting a lot about #FreeMediaVE, bringing attention to the struggle against communism in Venezuela. Feel free to follow me. @ me for a quick follow back. No spammers please.
- Carlos Granier-Phelps
Thank you all. I hope at least some follow me back else I'll hit my follower limit soon. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://twitter.com/casschin - I mostly post up funny/odd web gems and nerdy tech news. Occasionally, I tweet what I eat.
- Cass
http://twitter.com/Felter i tweet about all, but i don't retweet my FF message. From twitter to FF only. if you follow me in FF, you can read my tweet.
- Felter Roberto
from twhirl
You know, you could have just started feeding in your tweets here and achieved the same, right? Or would that have been too subtle?
- Mr. Gunn
http://twitter.com/glitterpoet Don't mean to offend but it's usually not religious. Porn, drinking,dancing, music,makeup....I still do healing work. I just don't talk about it much anymore.
- Gabrielle
My twitter stream is the typical... random thought bubbles, food porn pics, and shared items relating to technology, politics, and $$$. http://twitter.com/sean808080 is where you find me. Oh and I like unicorns and fairy dust.
- sean808080
@fossilhuntress or fossilmaitress (I kept getting my email cracked and getting locked out hence the duplicate); all content, linked to digg, delicious... mostly science, paleo and random banter...
- Fossil Huntress
http://twitter.com/wangyip - mostly stuff from FF (tech, startups, web apps, sometimes things about math, medicine, fitness) - I've followed a few here on tech stuff (Edit: Thanks Kol for the thread)
- Wang Yip
http://twitter.com/eoghann... - I post sci-fi news (tv, movies, books or comics I'm probably a fan of it), some tech stuff and the occasional round of venting.
- Eoghann Irving
Is it just me, or are all baby clothes in either FriendFeed or Twitter colors? I was noticing in my baby boy's clothes today that I had half of web 2.0 in his wardrobe.
- Jesse Stay
yeah it is all nice and happy now - give it 12 months and the inner demon comes out... Nice time though, when they are small and cute :) Enjoy it.
- Dave Gray
The best part at this age is when they fall asleep on your chest.
- Russellreno
Looks like Sarah is trying to push Matt away... saying "Hey dude! We are so out of the womb! Shove over!!"
- Yolanda
Roll call...this can be great if we all participate. Add yourself to this shared map. I created a placemark on the 2 major intersections near where I live.
- Mark Krynsky
Mo, I'm a newb to the shared maps stuff, but I turned on collaboration and allowed anyone to edit the map. There should be an edit button and then you can add a placemark.
- Mark Krynsky
Robert bought me a new house in the northern suburbs.
- Andrew Trinh
@Bec...nice. You are the first brave female on here.
- Mark Krynsky
Cool idea, Mark! I was thinking something like this would be fun the other day. Duly added myself - or at least the nearest big intersection. ;)
- Jandy
Mousing over the usernames shows your Google profile info...cool.
- Mark Krynsky
I marked a bus stop near my house. But not TOO near. :)
- Nine Ferdinand
If you haven't yet...go add FriendFeed to your Google Profile...it will then auto-discover and allow you to add a ton of other profiles you have.
- Mark Krynsky
Thanks for the profile tip - I hadn't updated it since I moved here!
- Jandy
Thanks guys. This is coming along nicely. It's great to have as a resource to see where everyone is from. Hopefully this can become a standard feature on FF one day.
- Mark Krynsky
Canterbury, Melbourne, Victoria added
- Duncan Riley
Current count: 13 US, 11 Europe, 3 Australia, 1 Middle East. Happy to see many others add themselves overnight. Hoping more will continue this.
- Mark Krynsky
I've read the instruction and still don't see the button thing to add myself. I'm feeling pretty stupid right now.
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@Jill, make sure you are logged into your Google account and then click on the edit button above the list of names already on the map. You will then see the pushpin in the upper left hand side of the map.
- Mark Krynsky
@Neal yea, we really need a FriendFeed meetup. I might be up there for Web 2.0 in March...or we can have one at SXSW if a large number of us are going. Let's plan and get the Upcoming page going.
- Mark Krynsky
Maybe we can talk Paul & Bret into letting us invade the FF offices for a meetup in conjunction with Web 2.0? That would be sooooo cool!
- Mark Krynsky
Pinned! sheesh this just cost me 1/2 hour of time as I scrolled thru all the folks :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Except for Bret, there are no FriendFeeders on the penninsula between San Jose and San Francisco. So much for Silicon Valley early adopters.
- Ryan Kuder
Cluelessness alert! I'm not seeing how to add my pushpin!
- Hutch Carpenter
For some reason whenever i use google maps in creation-mode, it defaults to some other maps I've used, not the one I'm trying to access - ah, figured it out. Had to de-activate some other collaborative maps
- anna sauce
Added. What a great way to see who's on FF in Austin, TX!
- Carter ♥ JS
Hao, this is awesome! Remember how people were saying in the FF Feedback room, how they'd like services to be linked, but not important the feeds? THIS is the temp. solution. WOW. Are you going to implement a way to filter individually?
- Mona Nomura
It doesn't actually do that, Mona. If your account is in Friendfeed, it goes into your feed. Hao Chen is merely making it easier to get the URLs from FriendFeed.
- Mark Trapp
Looks great. I guess I'll have to look into Social Graph API a bit deeper. It's so much faster than FF API for network data.
- Benedikt Koehler
Oops, I meant UN-LINK services so it'll stop pulling into their feed BUT still enable their friends to link to their respective accounts. Thank you for catching that, Mark.
- Mona Nomura
It should be possible to use the Social Graph API to find services that are not imported into Friendfeed as well as friends' services not on FF. It's a bit tricky because it requires a lot of separate requests. Right now, it's only using the SG API to find your subscriptions across the services you import on FF.
- Hao Chen
Thanks, just don't look at the source code. LOL
- Hao Chen
Hao, this is awesome, this is going to save me so much time! Thanks!
- Shey
Very cool. However, my tiny brain is not grokking " Remove Connections Already Subscribed To". Please to explain.
- Laura Norvig
Laura, it's not very accurate, but it's supposed to remove links to people's accounts on the other networks you already subscribe to. For example, if I already subscribe to Bob on Twitter, it might remove the link to Bob's Twitter page in the big list.
- Hao Chen
very kool Hao....Im finding my fellow FF on other services!
- (jeff)isageek
Hao, this is very cool; I just used it to great success friending last.fm users.
- Pete D
Hao, since I am the lone step child, any idea why it would not work for me. I typed in my ID, nothing happens, no spinning wheel indicating it is thinking. Just looks at my sad face....LOL.
- R. Ferguson
Hoa - This is great. Can you add Blip.fm?
- Russellreno
this is so awesome Hao - great job!!!!!!!! look out for random add notifications from me :)
- Morgan
How does that work?I type in some user name in it,nothing happen...
- Steve Chou
Steve, what browser are you using? Any JavaScript errors?
- Hao Chen
Glad to hear you guys are finding uses for it. @Russell Right now, the list of services it displays is the list of services being imported by people's FF accounts, and since Blip.fm isn't a supported service yet, I can't add that in easily. I'll think about how to use the Social Graph API more effectively to do those things though.
- Hao Chen
This is just excellent, not wholly accurate like you say but brilliant. Now all I need is to add more contacts on FF ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Never seems to work for my own username.
- Andrew Trinh
Thanks, guys. :) Andrew, ah, looks like Social Graph doesn't see your FF subscriptions for some reason. http://socialgraph-resources.g... I'll re-code this using the Friendfeed API to get your subscriptions later.
- Hao Chen
Very cool Hao! I like seeing which less-common services people actually use. My list (and top 25 services) is http://friendfeed.com/e... Does your system count me twice for YouTube because I have 2 YouTubes? (seems like it might, from the Blog counts).
- Mitchell Tsai
It's not working for me either when I input my username.
- Steve Lowe
Ditto steplow. Looks like it should be awesome but sadly it's drawing a blank for my username. :(
- David Young
Quora is nice, but once it hits critical mass, you'll have a Yahoo! Answers problem. How does Quora avoid this? Moderators? Community reinforcement?
- Mike Nayyar
Mike, that's what my post says. Go read it, my friend. :)
- Louis Gray
You realize that if I read it, Louis, I'll end up writing ANOTHER blog post? It's like you're trying to get me to wr - oh, I see what you did there.
- Mike Nayyar
Indeed ! that's was very nice! Have you done anything special about this Bret? (Like twitter's folks)
- directeur
very nice. anyone could guess Friendfeed would make it.
- SolidSmack
from twhirl
We did move a few things around, but nothing temporary - the event inspired us to optimize a few things we had been meaning to optimize anyway.
- Bret Taylor
Please stop using ISP email (Gmail is free!). I just discovered that one relatively common ISP seems to be blocking some of our emails because they include the url http://groups.google.com/group... (with that removed, the message gets delivered).
Spam filtering is too complex to be left up to random perl scripts or whatever these people use. Several months back, a different ISP was blocking our email because the from address included the word "friend" (as in "friendfeed.com").
- Paul Buchheit
i've noted a similar trend as well. most people on isp email (ahem, comcast & earthlink) have a setting that kickbacks anything that isn't coming from an approved list...and the default msg manages to come off as both retarded and pretentious in a "i need to stock shelves of canned food in preparation for y2k" kind of way. i think earthlink's notice even suggests you to CALL the person you're trying to contact so they can add you to their approved list. very annoying.
- James Miao
Sadly, for most people, using email that isn't provided by their ISP is like using a phone that wasn't provided by the phone company before Carterphone. You're playing with dangerous wiring, and 'who do you call if the bell doesn't ring?'.
- Robin Barooah
Big deal, Gmail is currently blocking yahoo-inc.com addresses. It is a hard problem and no one does it perfectly.
- Sam Pullara
Sam, it's very unlikely that they are blocking all of yahoo-inc.com. Perhaps you did a "Report Spam" on that address previously? (which could cause blocking for your account) Regardless, the fact that nobody is perfect does not excuse those that are awful.
- Paul Buchheit
Maybe it wasn't obvious, but just because an ISP is blocking some email messages with that URL in them it doesn't imply that the spam filter that it has is awful. It probably has just gotten a lot of spam with google groups urls in them.
- Sam Pullara
it is interesting how many people stick with their ISP email service. I guess it is hard to change your email identity especially if you have used the one you already have for long.
- Davide D'Incau
I was just going to post a question about best practices re: startups sending email. I am sending email directly from a server with SPF, domainkeys and DKIM all setup correctly. Yahoo still seems to want to put our emails into spam folders for some users. Any pointers on what to avoid (the emails I am sending are very short and contain only some text, a link and a unsubscribe link)/how to debug?
- Arvind Sundararajan
As far as I can tell, there aren't any great options. Some startups that don't have to send much mail just route it through Google. I think there are also some equivalent paid services, but I don't know how good any of them are. As you recall, even Gmail had trouble getting past broken spam filters sometimes.
- Paul Buchheit
I haven't used ISP mail for the best part of ten years. I've changed ISP three times in that time, so it would have been a pain in the ass and expense to keep telling everyone and reprinting cards etc. It's worth paying for a domain for that reason alone, or, nowadays using reliable spam-free email like Gmail. (I gave up on Hotmail and Yahoo way back).
- Ian May
gmail works great for me. I do not see any spam on it. Only stuff I am expecting to find there.
- Davide D'Incau
For our 20-person company, we've been using Google Apps + IMAP very happily for over a year.
- Jeremy Dunck
Even people in my own relatively tech-savvy family still use @aol and @earthlink addresses. It's not that they don't want to use Gmail or similar upgrade, its that they don't want to give up an address that they've had for 10, 15, 20 years. Weird when compared to a few generations later (kids today), when email addresses are treated as disposable identities. However, comcast and earthlink should just outsource email to someone more ... modern.
- DeWitt Clinton
I find it strange that people use ISP e-mail because they want to keep their e-mail address. My parents have changed their e-mail address at least once when they changed providers. Also, their ISP only offers POP3 access. No IMAP. Of course, of the free e-mail out there, only gmail offers IMAP (that I know of).
- Robert Felty
The only reason I haven't completely chucked my AOL mail is because I want to keep those screen names for IMing since I've had them for forever and a day. Unfortunately some family members only know me by those e-mail addys, so it's been a slow uphill battle to get them to start switching to either my hotmail or gmail accounts. I'll win one of these days...
- Hookuh Tinypants
Oh I don't use the AOL app for anything anymore. I'm all web-based anyway, and I use Digsby for chat. But the problem is that if I cancel my AOL account, they will cancel my screen names. Which means I will have to get all new screen names because they don't release canceled names back into the wild for like six months.
- Hookuh Tinypants
Not sure what you are saying -- that everybody should only use Gmail? There is a whole range of email providers out there -- free, not free, self managed, outsourced with varying degrees of spam management. Gmail is better than most, but still screws up.
- Brian Sullivan
Back when we got our service from Verizon, they not only included a Verizon email address, but also bundled in MSN, including an msn.com (hotmail) account. I haven't checked the former address in years, but use the latter for my IRL personal communications.
- Ontario Emperor
I son't see any problem with a FFer promoting a given web service in their posts. Happens all the time in fact. Gmail is free and ISP email usually sucks. If you don't like gmail there are other options and you're free to post about them. And if Paul's talking about the same ISP that I have, they pull this kind of crap all the time.
- Jim #TeamMonique
Point taken, but the tangential question is why do you use a google group as your main vehicle for user support?
- Laura Norvig
Laura, I actually just replaced the groups link with a link to the friendfeed-feedback room. My point however is that I should not have to worry about a groups.google.com url or some other random detail causing email to get blocked by some dumb filter. I noticed another ISP that blocks our daily-summary emails whenever they include amazon.com links (from someone's wishlist). FriendFeed is full of links, so these naive filters will always cause problems for our users.
- Paul Buchheit
As an aside, I'm not quite sure that FF is yet profiting from our data. Google certainly is because of the ads, but FF isn't quite there yet...
- FFing Enigma
V, I would bet that Gmail protects your privacy better than your ISP does. That said, I agree that there should be multiple competent email providers. I wish that Gmail would open up their sender reputation data, since that's the most powerful and reliable bit in the spam filtering equation. However, even if they do that, most ISPs will still suck because they don't know better, don't care, and their customers don't realize what's going on.
- Paul Buchheit
Are there really ISPs who don't give end users control over whether to use the ISPs spam filters or not? I have ATT, which uses Yahoo Mail, and I can choose whether to use Yahoo filters or get the raw feed (and I do both, on different accounts). I do wish Gmail would let me POP/IMAP my spam folder, if I so chose, some of my Gmail accounts are obscure enough to never get spam and I don't want to miss anything.
- Tinfoil 2.0
"I would bet that Gmail protects your privacy better than your ISP does". Having worked at an ISP all I have to say is "here here!". People think Gmail is evil because they "read" your email to put some ads on it but don't care if your ISP sends your email through something like an IronPort to detect spam.
- Benjamin Golub
The irony is that those same heavyhanded span filters can't be particularly effective otherwise span would have been rendered cost ineffective by now.
- Robin Barooah
I said the same to mum in email tonight... she uses aol she sent pictures of her and dad on holinday in texas...they never showed..crap... i set up a gmail account for her..hopefully she will use it. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Every time Verizon/Yahoo gets a twich, my Mozilla Thunderbird goes down and cannot access the servers. But my Gmail still works. So I would like to go with GMail, completely, but, would I still be using the Verizon/Yahoo servers? Is GMail available through its own servers? Not completely savvy about this. Chris
- Chris Conner
Well, in defense of that ISP... Even Google doesn't use Google Groups, for some of its products because of the spam presumably.
- Space Cowboy
I couldn't say. I don't use FriendFeed that much. -]
- Chris Loft
or you wish your blog integrated FF comments!
- Valeria Maltoni
Valeria: You could always use DISQUS third-party commenting on your TypePad blog. DISQUS now offers easy FF integration as well as slightly more complicated Facebook Connect functionality. Stowe Boyd uses DISQUS on his TypePad blog though he doesn't have the two features I mentioned switched on. http://www.stoweboyd.com/message...http://www.disqus.com
- Daniel J. Pritchett
You wish there was software specifically made for FF!
- Egyirba
have heard that lots of spam comes through Disqus and I already receive my fair share :) TypePad has not played nice with many applications, including the "share this" button. It was an innocent thing and it wracked havoc on the blog. Yes, Stowe Boyd and I had a brief exchange on Twitter on that. Thank you!
- Valeria Maltoni
Good point, V. I get plenty of spam to my blog and it's probably a lot less popular than yours. (edit: You have 40x my feedburner numbers!) There's a "report spam" feature but it still requires more effort than I appreciate.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
LOL! You gave me a good chuckle.TypePad has a very good spam filter and system (so far). 40x? Nah. I have so few comments :)
- Valeria Maltoni
Hmm. A bit over a decade ago, I remember getting momentarily confused trying for the hyperlinks in a print newspaper on the 'continued on page B3' text. It hasn't happened since. I haven't yet had the experience of looking for the 'like' button.
- Michael R. Bernstein
OT ho risposto al tuo commento...ripeto se è un problema tolgo subito il post
- catepol
lol! ... hand in the air!, tho maybe somewhat still in denial....
- Gregg
I am in love with FriendFeed, Scoble's posts and Twitter! I have never in my entire life, loved anything like I like Social Media! I am TERMINALLY ADDICTED, with no cure in sight.
- J. D. Ebberly
someone just left a comment on this post at my blog saying there's nothing to do on FriendFeed - thought I'd share with this group. You all seem to enjoy being here :)
- Valeria Maltoni
Scoble's gone. (Let me rephrase that - Alex's brother is gone.) I'm still here, and apparently we die-hard loyalists aren't yet so few that we all know each other! Just discovered your latest article this morning - 12 reasons - I'm SHOCKED I didn't discover you long before now. But every word you wrote in this post, almost two years ago, is still true!
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
What a nice surprise to find this thread revived. Which is also one of the strong points of FriendFeed. Things don't disappear into oblivion like Twitter, or Facebook for that matter. I find that FF allows me to be more thoughtful.
- Valeria Maltoni
I got to hold Braden today. His face is very expressive: I got the "hey, you're not Daddy" concerned look, with furrowed eyebrows and everything. So cute!
- DGentry
"Yes, it's me, abusing my baby pictures quotient on FriendFeed again. But in case you wanted to get a visual on Sarah's size, here's one item for comparison - the iPod Touch. Also included, Matthew, sleeping next to the iPod Touch, TiVo remote and Blackberry. It's better than using a ruler!"
- Louis Gray
one day these kids are going to say, 'dad used us as props for his gadgets!'...and then there will be blood! lol
- .LAG liked that
@.LAG, then I'll remind them how when we parked in what I thought was acceptable shade outside Babies R Us today, they both went nuts, and I had to extract them from their car seats and walk into the store (using the exit), with the pair held tight to my chest, to commiserate with their mother. I'm sure I was quite the sight. "Hey! Look at that guy! He's in over his head!" (fingers pointing)
- Louis Gray
Hey! Someone should say you - this is really unhealthy!! : (
- Erhan Erdoğan
@Louis - You definitely look in over your head. However, I was that way with only one. Now my children are 21 and 18 and I still remain in over my head. ; )
- Rex Hammock
This made Maryam crack up and say "that's cute!"
- Robert Scoble
@Rex, I look in over my head? Definitely? Where's the proof on that? I disagree. :-)
- Louis Gray
I don't believe you all - Robert, Louis, Maryam, all likes, comments - i urgently need a judge for this photos! : ) Your tech love is get out of control!!
- Erhan Erdoğan
now let's see the Touch duke it out with the Blackberry
- Paulo Elias
from twhirl
I'm so going to do this one day when I have one. haha
- Daynah
@Erhan and Brian, 1) They're not sleeping with the gadgets in their cribs (yet) and 2) I am not worried about that nonsense. I might as well unplug the microwave and TV while I'm at it, no?
- Louis Gray
We always left a computer keyboard in our kids cribs as a toy -- they loved it.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
The important thing to remember is that if Louis were forced to choose between his children and his gadgets,,,well, I'm sure the kids would find a good home. (JUST KIDDING!)
- Ontario Emperor
lmao I'm so reporting you for this. Too hilarious
- Corvida
OMG! that's priceless! I <3 it! Put the device on vibrate and see what happens! I bet it would sooth any crankiness. Can you say iTunes visualizer? Better than Baby Einstein. Makes us AND them drool into relaxation. My son has gumdrop iMac in his bedroom specifically for that reason (glorified nightlight). Hey! We have to do what we have to do, right? Why not have some fun with it? Hellz ya!
- Melissa Davis
from twhirl
You know Louis, most parents use a wall and a pencil to show height and growth, you choose electronic equipment, what comes next? comparisons to the wii and ps3? then a macbook, then macbook pro, then dell blade server, where will it end?!!?!?
- Allen Stern
Oh what beautiful little souls! I'm sure they are very precious to you :-).
- Heather Colman
Total weirdness - the cuteness overload causes the pics to show for me even when S3 is down! It might be just my cache, ofcourse, but I like the first theory better :)
- Yuvi
I'll take the electronics when the kids are all grown up. It won't matter to me that the stuff is decades old.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Ok, from one tech geek to another, that has to be the most cute thing I've ever seen. =)
- David Cook
It's February 21, 2009. I'm in the middle of a music search on FriendFeed and found these pictures from July 19, 2008. How time flies...
- Ontario Emperor
Wow, where'd you dredge this up, Haggis?
- Kevin L
Just showed this to Matthew, and he says, "That's Braden!"
- Louis Gray
Didn't you do this with the twins also? Of course that was a tech generation or two ago.
- John E. Bredehoft
John, yes, we took pictures of Matthew next to a TiVo remote and Sarah next to iPod Touch. Those pictures are buried in FriendFeed search. And Murat, your opinion is your own. Just click hide.
- Louis Gray
آر یو فیلان؟ این چه کاریه با بچه ی بیگناه کردید؟ :)))
- Conformist
بچه ی زشت وجود نداره ، همه ی بچه ها زیبا هستند... من همه ی بچه ها رو دوست دارم
- Conformist