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QUESTION: What was your favorite movie this year?
Lo, Chatsohbet, funkyboy and 13 other people liked this
Mine: DISTRICT 9. Haven't seen AVATAR or MOON yet, so that answer may change.
- Steven Perez
Hurt Locker
- Derek Coward
District 9 (though I'm in a similar spot for both Avatar and Moon, though I'm more interested in the latter)
- Jennifer Dittrich
Up In The Air.
- cecily
I found District 9 to be a rather very very unique film. I have yet to figure out how much I liked it though. I really liked UP!
- Brent - Loving Life
Hurt Locker
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Metropolitan. Oh, wait.
- s t e v e
Since I only saw two, it's between Sherlock Holmes and Star Trek
- Katie is Frittering
I loved STAR TREK, but DISTRICT 9 did more with less money. I haven't seen SHERLOCK HOLMES, though. How was it?
- Steven Perez
The only thing I found lacking in the Star Trek was the humor.
- Brent - Loving Life
I almost answered Sherlock Holmes as my favorite, but it's still so fresh it is hard to tell if that is just current enthusiasm.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Ponyo.
- Alix Whitmire
from iPhone
Ooooh, I've got to catch PONYO, too.
- Steven Perez
District 9 here as well. Haven't seen Avatar though, but MOON will not change your mind. That was some amateur time sci-fi.
- Adrian
Avatar.
- AJ Batac
Star Trek was the last film I saw in the cinema; it'll get my vote despite its many, many, many flaws.
- Mark H
District 9 Up then Avatar
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Star Trek
- Ale♫nastrorosa
District 9 for me
- Mo Kargas
Gran Torino
- maurizio/videogioco
Hotel for Dogs!
- Joe Pierce
For know I think Avatar (looked nice in 3D and also thought it was funny at times. The Colonel Miles Quaritch was really funny at times). From which I seen I also liked star trek/Hurt locker/ up! (not as much as I thought it would....)
- alfred westerveld
I haven't seen a ton of movies this year sadly. At the moment I'd probably go with Inglourious Basterds.
- Joe Pierce
Up, maybe. But probably Avatar.
- Stephen Mack
I still have a lot of movies to go through but still District 9 for me
- Rodfather
Marley & Me!
- Mellissa
Avatar IMAX 3D
- Beau Liening
none, can't think of anything.
- Richard A.
The Blind Side.
- Mona Nomura
500 Days of Summer.
- Andrew C
Mine was Seven Pounds, but I don't get to the cinema nowadays: http://ff.im/cXRHi
- Kol Tregaskes
Ninja Assasin. Best. Movie. Ever.
- Alex Scrivener
from iPhone
some Japanese film i saw between Singapore and Tokyo. no idea what it was called, but it was about mountain climbers in the first decade of the 20th century who were trying to scale a mountain in Japan that had only been scaled in legend by a monk.
- Joe Silence
I haven't seen too many but out of the ones I have seen, I have to say Ninja Assassin.
- aden
Umm!! Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince and Ice Age 3 were my favorites followed by District 9. Have to watch Avatar in a couple of days so things can change.
- mridul
Steven, I've seen Moon and Dix9 this week, and I really dislike them. Inglorious Basterds is over the top, followed by Tarantino!
- Eugenio
I haven't seen a lot...I liked Star Trek, Avatar, didn't see District 9 or Inglorious Basterds, I liked Up a lot, but was it my favorite? I don't think so. I'll get back to you.
- Derrick
Star Trek
- Molly, New Ears :P
Avatar(3D)
- Ron Thompson
Avatar, definitely.
- Jason Huebel
@Alex, dunno if I would say Ninja Assassin was the "best" movie, but it was certainly fun to watch.
- Jason Huebel
Gran Torino. Sad but nice.
- funkyboy
from iPhone
Just to rock the boat, I'm going with Land of the Lost. Bought it the day it came out on DVD.
- Lo
lol, just mentioning Land of the Lost killed the thread. That's awesome!
- Lo
Am i the only one who still rates Firefox above Chrome? In fact, i'd even say Chrome is more of a memory hog (on the mac anyway).
sally stokhamer, rowlikeagirl, Sean Kelly and 22 other people liked this
I have no end of problems with Chrome too. Firefox is still my preferred browser.
- Mark H
It's not a memory hog in windows. I'm reminded how glad I am to have made the switch every time I use my wife or daughter's computer and I sit there waiting for firefox to load.
- Jim in Real Time
Chrome is Google. Chrome is hype.
- Peter
Firefox is still my favorite browser.
- LouCypher
I still use Firefox.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I still prefer Firefox.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
No, the numbers say most people prefer Fx above everything else, actually. Chrome is like Linux: it has a tiny minority of very fanatical supporters who make their number seem a lot larger than the mosquitoes they actually are. Also, Chrome's higher system overhead has been repeatedly shown in independent testing. It IS fast, but there's a tradeoff in RAM and CPU resources.
- LANjackal
I like Firefox. I don't like Chrome, plus Chrome is quite slow on my system. I like the Chrome interface least of all the browsers I've tried, below Firefox, Flock, Opera, Maxthon, Internet Explorer, and other browsers whose names I've forgotten.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
I usually prefer Chrome. I started Firefox today just to check for updates and I was reminded how slow it is compared to Chrome when it comes to starting up. Flash rendering is also quicker in Chrome.
- George Moga
Chrome uses memory efficiently. Firefox uses more and more until you close it.
- Raphael, Raphael
Chrome is both a memory hog and really, really slow. At least it is slow when I use the beta 4 version with a lot of plugins(beta is forced). In fact it became so slowthat it is almost unusable on my netbook. The same netbook has comparable plugins (but even more and better working ones) in firefox and that installation just flies! Yes, Chrome is fast on Java, but that is it! Try to load anything with a long page, like a newspaper or my favorite Swedish price comparison site, and it really takes forever.
- Magnus
And on my quadcore desktop with windows 7, it is the same story. Here the waiting time isn't as annoying in Chrome, but it is noticeably slower in everyday usage. I don't know about the stable versions without the plugins, but that isn't interesting at all, since plugins is what makes the browsers, at least for me! And yes, it really is a memory hog. Used about 600 megs on my 1 gig...
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- Magnus
Weird. Chrome works more efficiently and faster than FFx on all my computers. Raphael++ on the mem leaks in FFx
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Safari on a daily basis for me - Only use the others for special features when needed. Wit a Flash blocker I've never had an overload with Safari (Mac) no matter the number of windows/tabs.
- PXLated
Tried Chrome didnt like it. I love Firefox for the extensions.
- Shawn aka ringking
Chrome is AWESOME with extensions! I love it... seriously amazing
- Susan Beebe
I am still using Safari over Chrome. Chrome is a memory hog and slows my computer.
- Louis Gray
My friends want me to use Firefox but it is kinda hard to breakaway from Chrome.
- Stephen
I never feel like using any other browser besides safari when I am using Mac.
- ashish
Chrome now has 98% of my online time, on it since it came out, Win 7 runs it smoothly, both stable and dev versions. Some extensions are partly a hype, but this fast simple browser or coming OS are way beyond that. I did have memory issues on XP but that old machine had 1GB Ram :-)
- Majento
I would really appreciate if someone could provide details on how Chrome is a memory hog or otherwise mis-manages resoures.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
i still dig FF. i'm soaking in it now.
- Joe Silence
General Use: (OS X): 70% Safari, 25% Firefox and 5% Chrome. During Web Development: 94% Firefox, 5% Safari and 1% Chrome.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, have you checked the web dev tools in Chrome? They can be pretty helpful. LANjackal, you may compare Chrome usage to mosquitoes, but a lot of people do like it. Chrome has also raised the bar in browser speed, and the resulting faster competition is good for users regardless of which browser they like.
- Matt Cutts
from iPhone
I prefer Chrome. Try this simple test. Highlight on your desktop both Chrome and Firefox icons, hit Enter and see which opens first. That's faster.
- Will Higgins™
Matt, thanks - I am aware of the Chrome tools. Do you know if, with Developer Tools, there's a way to highlight a select a DOM and go right into edit mode? With Firebug I can alter/add markup then toggle out of edit mode and it goes live - it's so handy.
- Micah Wittman
Chrome works wonderfully for me.
- Richard A.
I still use firefox and like it much better than Chrome. One reason is all of the plug-ins available.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I still use Firefox most of the time, mainly for its plugins and add-ons
- M F
Ever so rarely use Firefox nowadays. Everything I used in FrF is now available in Chrome and even with more extensions installed than FrF Chrome is still faster. I'm sticking wit Chrome. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Yep. Chrome it is. Sorry, FFox.
- Adrian Scicluna
I still prefer Firefox. But after the introduction of extensions, I do try to use Chrome more and I've to say it's much faster in loading pages. The memory hog isn't that much of a concern, at least it's not causing any problems for me. I still miss the Firefox extensions a lot when using Chrome, so I guess I've to wait for more Chrome extensions to develop before considering a switch to Chrome.
- Jackie
firefox
- Jenny Morman
If you use javascript heavy apps, Chrome wins hands down. The js handling in FF is slow sluggish, with typically a lot of spinning wheel waits. Rarely do I see that in chrome. I see it less in safari that in FF, but still more than in chrome.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I use Chrome to see one of my Gmail accounts. Apart from it telling me it had an error doing something (and then doing it OK anyway) it has not caused me any grief. It is no great shakes in the looks department though. I use Safari for everything except the toolbar things that I can only see with Firefox (Compete, Majestico..). In my wasted life/extensive testing ;-) Safari is the quickest, the nicest-looking, the most user-friendly, and (joint first with Chrome) the one I trust most with my information.
- david
I use Firefox for workflow, when I open and close tabs quickly (preventing memory hogging and buildup). I use Chrome for 'always-on' tabs, which also are usually Google apps (GReader, Wave, Docs) -- also FriendFeed, Facebook, Twitter/Brizzly. System seems more stable, in the past month, with that arrangement. I've stopped using FF extensions, because they were doing most of the hogging -- so Chrome is equally good a browser now.
- Christopher Galtenberg
happy with ff, reason#1: extensions, reason#2: got used to it => have to try chrome and safari. I like david's concept of having more than one browser and adapting it to specific needs.
- Manuel
i use safari and firefox...each has it's place...
- sally stokhamer
Chrome works swimmingly on Linux. If I leave FF open over night, it eventually tries to take all of my RAM. Chrome always stays in its little box.
- James Williams
Chrome slows down a lot, and it has suddenly decided it wants to remember my bank account information even though i told it not to. it would be nice if I could go in and do things like delete certain saved form information, or set cache size. It's only an alternate browser, not a primary.
- Richard Lawler
I love Chrome - but recently have found problems with WP blogs and some of the sites I shop at!!! Could be a money saver ;-p
- Robyn Hawk
I am hooked on Chrome Big Time.
- Brent - Loving Life
I haven't even installed FF on my freshly reformatted machine -- Chrome has been all I needed and I don't see going back. In fact, I just redid some of our workflow pages at work that I designed so they would specifically work better with Chrome. (They were previously built for... shudder... IE6.)
- Vince DeGeorge
I use only Firefox.
- Rochelle
I use both Firefox and IE8, uninstalled Chrome a long time ago because the tabs were not rectangular and were boat-shaped...
- TrafficBug
Another word for that: trapezoidal. Or, one could say: tab-shaped. http://content.etilize.com/Large...
- Christopher Galtenberg
And you thought FriendFeed was doing bad - check out Google Reader:
Paul Harvey, Mitchell Tsai, practicehacker and 59 other people liked this
Regarding FriendFeed's numbers, be sure to see here: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I forget to use Google Reader. I prefer FF
- Mike Nencetti
Also see: http://friendfeed.com/jessest...
- Jesse Stay
Isn't that because the URL most people use for Google Reader is http://www.google.com/reader ?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken is right. I always use http://www.google.com/reader. You can also get feeds on http://www.google.com/ig/ Jesse, it's time for you to retire from stats mayhem.
- Louis Gray
Remember, 65.4% of all stats are made up on the spot.
- Ken Sheppardson
i use google.com/reader too
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Web 1.0 is to Web 2.0 as Alexa is to Compete.
- AJ Kohn
There will also be users coming from other countries like us here (google.ca/reader).
- AJ Batac
Louis, I'm simply sharing the same type of stats you did with FriendFeed. Who shall retire first?
- Jesse Stay
Louis shared stats for FriendFeed using the wrong URL?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, http://reader.google.com is how I access Google Reader
- Jesse Stay
See how it redirects to www.google.com/reader?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, my point is Louis's stats mean as much as mine do - there are way more factors that go into this, I agree
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, without demeaning you personally, this is false and ridiculous. FriendFeed is a domain, a specific one, and I chose the primary domain. Google Reader is a subdomain or directory, and you chose the one that, as you show, nobody uses. The Alexa data you showed for FriendFeed illustrated something that nobody is experiencing. This isn't gamesmanship. It's just wrong, again.
- Louis Gray
I have a hard time understanding the fights and points Jesse chooses to get into.....just baffling.
- Matthew DeVries
So let's take this constructively - what's a better way of comparing the two if http://reader.google.com is a bad way?
- Jesse Stay
Neither.... it's apples and oranges.
- Jason Williams
Jason - considering some use FriendFeed as a replacement for Google Reader it's not apples and oranges - they're competition.
- Jesse Stay
Really? Why on earth would anyone use FF over Reader? FF complements Reader but shouldn't supplant it. Is there really a constructive way to read rss feeds here?
- Jason Williams
Jason, many people do that - it always comes out when Scoble is threatening to leave Reader. It's also why your FriendFeed stats now show up with your Feedburner stats.
- Jesse Stay
looks like we gotta get louis to work more hours to get that chart moving in the right direction!
- Allen Stern
Amen Allen (that's the spirit)! I'd love to see more stability and more focus on core functionality, not the social features. More stats, more organizational tools, more sharing tools. Better UI. Less bugs. I would use it more if that were the case.
- Jesse Stay
Give me a better way to manage thousands of items a day and I'll read thousands of items a day. For now I've had to reduce my use due to how bulky and hard-to-manage it all is.
- Jesse Stay
for the record i rarely to never use google reader.
- Allen Stern
when friendfeed shows me full content RSS feeds instead of just title links, let me know. until then, I'll keep using Google Reader. that's the same notion that twitter is a replacement for it. I get it but it doesn't work for me.
- Bill Kinney
Jesse knows that I read more than 1,000 items per day and am connected to more than 1,000 people via shared item feeds. The graph above is not valid. Google Reader is a great complement to FriendFeed, and always has been. It's the vast majority of my feed. Reader is also, very flexibly, able to share to different sites, including Twitter and Facebook.
- Louis Gray
Yes, Bill. Jesse is just grumpy today. :) He knows better than to post data without any substance and try and get a faux argument going. He also is tempting me to post a SocialToo traffic chart and compare it to Twitter. :)
- Louis Gray
i think that louis and jesse need a "time out" - both of you to your respective corners for a juice box
- Allen Stern
No way, Allen! Not when there are great injustices in this world! :)
- Louis Gray
louis i just sat through 4 hrs of city council hearings at city hall - not once did google reader or friendfeed come up :)
- Allen Stern
Jesse, the difference is that Readers traffic isn't dependent on who else is also using it. As much as Google would like it to be, it's not a social tool. I can get my FF feed in Reader but not vice versa. Do you really get your "news" from FF? It's the same thing with Twitter. People try to make it a RSS replacement but it isn't no matter how much you want it to be. 140 characters might be ok for links and quick social commentary but in depth news, not so much.
- Jason Williams
Allen, but they did mention a series of tubes, at least in passing I'm sure :)
- Micah Wittman
*thinks of how to talk Jesse down from the ledge...* Jesse, Hi :) At best you are criticizing conventional wisdom web statistics in general and mixing it with a clearly flawed swipe at Reader. ### Now, carefully, come back from the precipice and live to fight another day.
- Micah Wittman
You guys are all proving my point - that this argument is just as crazy a claim as this one is here: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr... - you can't trust stats
- Jesse Stay
I use Feedly, which is off the back of Google Reader
- Ian May
Jesse, nobody has proven your point. The only point that has been made is that you made a mistake and tried to draw a parallel, and you failed.
- Louis Gray
Of course you can trust stats, Jesse. You just have to understand how they were collected, what they mean, and not try to use them to support some completely unrelated hypothesis. I've seen two graphs of US and global FriendFeed visitor stats that support two different statements... that US usage is down and global usage is up, respectively. The graph you've created for reader.google.com is irrelevant and immaterial, for reasons given above.
- Ken Sheppardson
I could be wrong, but a certain someone who pronounced FF as dead cited that new features in GR were going to kill it. Just sayin'. Also just sayin' - I'm with Louis on this one. The combination of Google Reader and Friendfeed have changed the game for me, bigtime.
- jcunwired
Surely not.
- Will Higgins™
I'm probably in the minority but I have replaced Google Reader with FriendFeed. Pretty much for discussions like this one. I'm not sure I find the same value in Reader, I tend to bookmark and re-visit the same sites anyway. FriendFeed brings something to the table that a bookmark just doesn't. Reader, not so much. At least not for me.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
We need a UFC match between Louis Gray and Jesse Stay. The 9-lettered names of mayhem!
- beersage
I'd like to append my last post with, I still scan GR, so the previous comments about using GR and FF together as a powerful combination--in practice, if not in heart--I'm in agreement with.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
See what happens when I stayed in GReader (and some Twitter) all day, I missed a good thread. I read/skim a little over 1,000 posts a day, I'm not sure if I read more than Louis (42,597 items in last 30 days) but it's my information center. Friendfeed use to be my place for discussions around the news, since engagement has dropped here (for me at least), I've moved back to Twitter for a fraction of that engagement (FB for friends/coworkers/family).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I never knew there was a reader.google.com
- Richard Lawler
Almost all of Google's (non-acquired) properties can do both whatever.google.com and google.com/whatever which is very smart actually.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
On the subject, I must thank Louis, Jesse and many others that act as filters on GReader BTW. When I don't have time to go through the bulk, these guys help bring the cream to the top. I try to do my part in filtering for others but I feel that it's a team effort to bring the signal to others as automated filters aren't smart enough (yet).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Funny, I cut back on my usage of both services and the graph goes down. You can blame Scoble now. I don't use Google Reader anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Don't talk about yourself in the third person.
- Mark
I blame Scoble for the drop in the Twitter chart as well then. <smirk>
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
My use has gone down significantly and I'm seriously looking for the perfect solution to replace it. Hoping Seesmic or Tweetie or Tweetdeck do that soon. See: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I now know Louis's Kryptonite - criticize Google Reader ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, please don't leave Gmail, because I still need that. Thanks.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jesse - I agree with your April blog post 100%. I also want to mention that Google Alerts is also a helpful tool for monitoring blog posts. (And without a doubt, most of us use it.)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jesse, kryptonite would weaken someone if it were their personal poison. I am not weakened by your inaccuracies and stubbornness. :)
- Louis Gray
Anyone know what Feedly's numbers are??
- Roberto Bonini
it is still my best organic conversational real time tool...
- Yann Ropars
Feedly is actually down 11% in Nov as well. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/feedly...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Is this a trend?? The holiday season and all?? What about Feedburner stats?? If RSS usage (i.e for RSS clients) is in decline (unlikely) it would show up there.
- Roberto Bonini
manieles: feedly's content is generated dynamically in the browser so the metrics you are pointing to are just metrics of our blog (most users download feedly from the mozilla (and now chrome) sites. 2009 was a good year for feedly: we grew 1,527% from Dec 08 until Dec 09. http://twitter.com/edwk...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Ah, I guess that makes my comment above moot. There goes that theory.
- Roberto Bonini
Sorry Edwin, just like reader.google.com the compete numbers don't show the story of true use.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
No problem Mark (it happens a lot). Roberto: Feedly is still relatively a niche service compared to Friendfeed and Google Reader so your theory could be correct. I do not have visibility into the Google Reader usage information but I can say that the underlying infrastructure keeps on getting better and innovating at a very fast pace. They have the foundation for a distributed...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Sounds like what I said about FriendFeed :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Friendfeed is down but they are not dead. It all depends on if Facebook will decide to invest and move the service forward or not. If they do not, at some point Twitter and Facebook will have a super set of the friendfeed features and at that point their will be no turn around possible. Friendfeed sold out too early.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, Jesse is having an off day. Feedly is doing fantastically. Google Reader continues to have the #1 position in RSS and things are flourishing with their social features. FriendFeed has great technology and a fantastic community, but stalled momentum. Jesse should be in better form in about 5-7 days.
- Louis Gray
Jesse are you sick *again*? I told you to eat more bacon! :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Would be interesting to see a metric that measures total number of posts having comments and likes versus total posts and compare that to the "glory days" of Friendfeed. How much different is the engagement now?
- Steve
Louis is basing his "FriendFeed is down" on faulty stats - that's the point of this thread. FriendFeed's just fine: http://staynalive.com/article... - I agree Reader and RSS are fine. So is FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Steve, you can always use FriendFeed's advanced search to find 100 comments and likes posts.
- Louis Gray
Jesse, discussing this with you is getting boring. That post was wrong and based on data even worse than the public information I used.
- Louis Gray
Nothing on the Internet is dead until the servers are unplugged and the information is not cached elsewhere. There could be 1 unique user on a site and it still could be very useful for that one person.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, that's correct. I covered that when I said I would still find value if I were the last FriendFeeder. What's frustrating about this nonsense of a thread is that Jesse made a mistake with his graph and continues to stand by it.
- Louis Gray
As did Louis (I'm not standing by this graph - I was making a point), and he continues to stand by his (about FriendFeed traffic being down)
- Jesse Stay
Because it is down.
- Louis Gray
Louis, if you think my post is wrong, how about a post proving my points wrong
- Jesse Stay
:-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
It is a waste of time. It also does not benefit me or the community to make high visibility of negativity around this site. That's why I posted what I did here previously, also knowing it tends to be written about and spun by other blogs.
- Louis Gray
I don't think Louis believes his graph is wrong - who's the stubborn one? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Congratulates Jesse and his graph for making my best of day on FF. I am not a fan of Google reader. the graph looks accurate to me and the feedback I see of GR.
- Mike Nencetti
Jesse: I am confused. It seems that the point you are trying to make is that graphs are wrong in general and that both friendfeed and RSS are fine. Is that correct?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, correct
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I believe that Compete.com data is not perfect, but it is the best publicly available data that we have. I also believe that the trends it portrays about this specific site are 100% accurate. Your data showing Google Reader at zero is laughable and an embarrassment to your reputation.
- Louis Gray
Mike, this didn't make "best of day". It made "most obtuse of the day". :)
- Louis Gray
Jesse: which metric would you use to determine if friendfeed as a service is up or down?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
It is not showing it at 0 - it is showing it at very low.
- Jesse Stay
Google Reader's traffic is hidden within www.google.com's data. Dare I add iGoogle for RSS feeds into that picture as well. However, Friendfeed's traffic is not hidden (for US Traffic) in Compete's numbers.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse relied on Alexa data (which is the ugly stepsister of Compete.com), and he suggested that Bret Taylor's graph showing a higher percentage of international users suggested growth, when, more accurately, it portrayed that US visitors fell away at a dramatic rate.
- Louis Gray
Louis: May be you and Jesse are looking at this from different angle and are both right
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Nah. Edwin, I will always support good data. :) This is bad data.
- Louis Gray
Quantcast shows a similar decline. Every service that is respected shows a decline. http://www.quantcast.com/friendf...
- Louis Gray
Louis, I never denied yours was based on US data. My point was FriendFeed was not down, which you claimed it to be.
- Jesse Stay
May be Friendfeed has a lot more persian users which are less active but nevertheless users. But over all Friendfeed has a lot less momentum and engagement because the early adopters have moved to twitter
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Jesse, I continue to claim that global traffic worldwide, including US and non-US traffic is down, period. And even if you were right, turning this into Orkut or Friendster is not a thing to be proud of.
- Louis Gray
Jess: the problem is that down is not as important as momemtum and innovation.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis, again, you're showing the wrong state re: Quantcast - click the "all" link and you'll see something more reflective. They're down in the short-term (at least in the US), but not in the long-term.
- Jesse Stay
There' nothing wrong with Alexa from a world view. Just don't mix numbers between Compete, Quantcast and Alexa. Compete clearly shows the US usage has dropped.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Louis, I never turned this into a comparison of Orkut and Friendster - where is this coming from?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, the short term is the start of the long term. You know better than this.
- Louis Gray
I am. Those are sites dominated by non-US visitors, contrasted with Facebook and Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I disagree the short-term is the start of the long term
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: One simpler question for you: do you think that there is a chance for friendfeed to regain momentum and flourish without an engineering team behind it?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, absolutely, but I think there will be an engineering team behind it eventually
- Jesse Stay
and there is an engineering team behind it currently, or it would not be able to handle the current traffic.
- Jesse Stay
Hmm. Do you have another example to point us to? Where will the engineering come from eventually?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, Facebook
- Jesse Stay
Friendfeed is clearly transforming. It may gain momentum for a while until 'other services' catch up. However once a better wheel is made...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I think that you are fooling yourself
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, absolutely not - there are numbers to prove it - whether it's still FriendFeed or transforms into Facebook, it will still be around, and serving way more than it is now.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook wanted the brainpower and that brainpower is not integrated into other facebook projects
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That brainpower is still keeping FriendFeed running at the same time
- Jesse Stay
Here again. I think that you are fooling yourself
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That brainpower still believes in FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I would listen to Edwin, and Matthew Davies, and almost everyone else in this thread.
- Louis Gray
Facebook is in a hyper competitive space, those brains are working 150% on facebook projects
- Edwin Khodabakchian
You can clearly see that the FF team is porting features into FB, they are attempting to have a friend of a friend system similar to FF. IF THEY SUCCEED, FB has become Friendfeed.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse, Bret is VP of Products at Facebook and working on Connect and the dev community which reaches 100x+ more people than FriendFeed does.
- Louis Gray
Louis I didn't say FriendFeed wouldn't transform into Facebook. I did say it wasn't going away and it would continue growing.
- Jesse Stay
But it is not growing, and that entire argument is dead right there.
- Louis Gray
It is growing, your argument is dead.
- Jesse Stay
I think that you are right that it is going to stay (that is a low hanging fruit) and it might grow in some geographies (like it does in Iran because of the network effect) and because it was ahead of its time in terms of conversation, the erosion will take longer but there is no doubt that with no engineering, it is a dead end.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
AOL is not growing but it's hardly dead. Wait, I'm on Louis's side on this...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
AOL is investing massively to survive
- Edwin Khodabakchian
AOL is apples and oranges - if Facebook stops growing you can start comparing it to AOL.
- Jesse Stay
Mark, that's fine. I don't think there are sides. There's what's correct, and whatever Jesse is doing.
- Louis Gray
Or whatever Louis is doing - he seems to think he's correct, which he's not (now this is getting repetitive)
- Jesse Stay
Too bad the friendfeed team did not believe in friendfeed the same way Jess believes in Friendfeed!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, the FriendFeed team saw what we all see and sold at the right time for a fantastic opportunity.
- Louis Gray
I will agree to disagree with Louis - that's about the only way I'm backing down on this. I believe passionately in FriendFeed, and I see no reason it's dying.
- Jesse Stay
Edwin look at how much the FriendFeed team uses FriendFeed - they still believe passionately in the service. They believe so as much as I do.
- Jesse Stay
(and I never said it was dying, nor did I say I don't believe in what was built here) Go find me saying that anywhere.
- Louis Gray
Jesse: would you have sold to friendfeed?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I don't get what you are saying Louis - what is your argument?
- Jesse Stay
Start from the top. (And read your DMs). The graph you show here has zero validity and it is in no way relevant to the graph you are discussing from last week, period.
- Louis Gray
All I know is that public statistics lie. Paul B knows the real answer for FF, as does Jeff Huber for GReader stats.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Okay, so your argument is that FriendFeed is declining - isn't that the same as dying?
- Jesse Stay
If you get the flu, do you always die, Jesse?
- Louis Gray
If you lose 20 pounds, is it guaranteed that you will eventually hit zero?
- Louis Gray
Louis, okay, whatever - I see no reason it's declining
- Jesse Stay
Then you are being naive and ignoring all the public data, plus anecdotal data from this site itself.
- Louis Gray
The FF sale is more than a flu, it's a handicap scenario. It makes it harder to see a perfect future.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Louis: I am not sure that facebook was/is a fantastic opportunity for the friendfeed team. Facebook connect is awesome but this space is still at its infancy and I am not sure that the centralized facebook/twitter model will be the model of the future. Friendfeed had the advantage of understanding search really well and being distributed at its core - great asset!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis, not naive at all - I shared the public data publicly on my blog, showing backed evidence the site is still growing. Where's your rebuttal? Do I have to show this again?: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
Using your links in your article, Jesse, Quantcast topped out in August and has fallen significantly since. And we already noted that the Alexa data, which is the outlier, shows a small upward trend.
- Louis Gray
Louis, your argument is it's falling short-term. My argument is that it's growing long-term. My data supports that. I'm definitely not naive and frankly I'm beginning to be offended you're calling me that.
- Jesse Stay
OK. Good discussion. I think that Louis and Jess should go get a beer and huge each other. Time to go write some code!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Yes, if you put the calendar back far enough, the trajectory is upward. Of course it is. And Edwin, I can't get Jesse to drink beer.
- Louis Gray
Great, then we agree
- Jesse Stay
I agree that if you go over a 2 year calendar, traffic to FriendFeed has increased.
- Louis Gray
I guess I missed something... I've seen (1) Quantcast and Compete charts of US reach/visitors which says domestic use is down (2) an Alexa chart that says international use is up (3) a comment and accompanying chart from Bret saying "international growth has started to completely dominate since August (4) a pretty significant shift in the FFholic Most Active user list to international users, and (5) lots of anecdotal evidence from English-speaking users saying they've seen reduced (or stable) activity.
- Ken Sheppardson
...is somebody taking exception to any of those observations?
- Ken Sheppardson
Nope. Agreed, Ken.
- Louis Gray
But the entire thread originated with the Google Reader flat line, which was a mistake.
- Louis Gray
Yeah, I think everybody's just trying to ignore that at this point ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I just don't get why Jesse's trying to make this you-can't-believe-stats/charts argument. I think there's something in my list of 5 point that Jesse thinks is wrong.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse doesn't believe the Compete or Quantcast data showing a decline.
- Louis Gray
I don't think I ever agreed the above graph was correct - it was put there to show a point
- Jesse Stay
So you believe US usage is up, or not declining, Jesse?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I didn't mean you can't believe them - I mean they can often be deceptive
- Jesse Stay
Which is amusing, because the blue line here is identical to the same blue line I posted last week.
- Louis Gray
My head hurts.
- Ken Sheppardson
I thought I'd post it up against the same deceptive result so we were on the same terms
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - Next time use a red line .... :)
- Charlie Anzman
Sigh. I could also show a graph that over the last 120 years, GM sales are way up, and compare that to the sale of unicycles.
- Louis Gray
Just laughed out loud at that one Louis
- Hutch Carpenter
Damn, you mean Unicycles sales are up right now? Tomorrow is free shipping day.... :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Are you saying Google Reader is like a Unicycle?
- Jesse Stay
Nope.
- Louis Gray
So Google Reader is going to be like GM?
- Jesse Stay
Ah... sorry... a light bulb just went off... showing a chart that shows US traffic is declining is deceptive in that some people who look at it might conclude that's overall activity, when in fact total, world-wide activity is steady or increasing.
- Ken Sheppardson
That's one of Jesse's theories, Ken. (Still doesn't explain the Google Reader non-sequitir)
- Louis Gray
If Google Reader is like a Unicycle, it's like the Honda's U3-X..... a very cool one!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'm starting to piece this together... so showing reader.google.com traffic is declining when in fact total Reader traffic is up... ?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, correct
- Jesse Stay
reader.google.com is a domain nobody uses. Reader traffic is unknown, but certainly not the flat line displayed here.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I use reader.google.com
- Jesse Stay
I'd agree with that theory. The World growth is outpacing US internet growth.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I just took a look at the graph at http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... Turns out that although international reach is up as shown in your graph, Jesse, Alexa shows a 20% or so decrease in their pageview graph since the peak near August. More users spending less time...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, that is short-term though, which was another point of mine. Long-term they still have an upward trend. It is still much too early to determine if they are declining yet. Maybe in 6 months you guys can all show me I'm wrong.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook bought FF in Aug, that throws a trendline in completely different direction. It's an inflection point.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, FF took a dip after that, but they recovered and went even higher than before the FF acquisition. I wouldn't call that an inflection point.
- Jesse Stay
Which chart shows traffic higher than before the acquisition (not counting the spike after due to curious people who never heard of FF before they read it)? Are you looking at Alexa's "Reach"?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yes, Mark... Alexa's chart of international reach shows that the % of worldwide internet users who are visiting FriendFeed is up. It's also the 47th most popular site in Turkey, 227th in Italy, and 412th in Pakistan. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Mark, correct, which is more accurate because it compares visitors globally, not just US
- Jesse Stay
In fact Alexa says 20.7% users are from the US and 20.6% are from Turkey, and another 20% or so from Italy, Japan, and India combined.
- Ken Sheppardson
Right but the question would be what were those percentages between countries back in August? A shift in demographics needs to be adjusted by online population in those countries.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
There's roughly 74M people in Turkey. For every 1% drop in US visits, about 4% would automatically gain for Turkey in the Pie Chart without a single new user in growth.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I don't believe they're breaking out the % of users in each country that are visiting FriendFeed, they're talking about what % of FriendFeed users are coming from each country.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken is correct.
- Louis Gray
Strongly Disagree. Look at my coupon work site: RedPlum.com 92.2% are from the US. I highly doubt I have that much audience but I'd love for it to be true.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Disagree with what, Mark? That stat means for every 100 people who visit your site, 92 are from the US.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sorry, I misunderstood your comment. It's a pie of % of FF visitors are coming from which country. We are on same page.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yeah, sorry... I switched from "reach" to the user breakdown midstream there.
- Ken Sheppardson
So as I was saying, a 1% drop in US visits moves Turkey up 4% when you factor populations and no new additions.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
To tie that together with Compete's US view, the US audience dropped 20% in last 90 days so Turkey would naturally rise in the pie chart regardless of new user growth from that country.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Actually digging that information a bit more, only 21.1% of the Turkey population uses the internet so the spread would widen even further.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
wow
- ★ Soner Gönül
Interesting......
- Keith Griffiths
What a ridiculous discussion! It has already been said: the stats are apples and oranges. Let's look at the comparative numbers for internet users who are brain-dead versus those who can type. It would appear graduation from grade school bans internet access.
- Douglas Hopkins
Facebook hurts !
- Desirade
Yeah, don't bother. Senestezi is spamming.
- Ken Sheppardson
Twitter / Christopher Taylor: I use Posty to post to Tum ... - http://twitter.com/searose...
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I use Posty to post to Tumblr mainly, and to Twitter and Friendfeed sporadically. Seesmic is better for tracking Tweets. Posty's quite small - http://twitter.com/searose...
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Just downloading Posty 'Twitter & Tumblr' 3rd apps for adobe air hihihiiii looks so nice =) ........
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Why are cookbooks written in an imperative style, and not functional or declarative styles?
Tyson Key, Will Higgins™, Brett Morgan and 26 other people liked this
Because they are directions. They're directing you to do something.
- Spidra Webster
What would a functional or declarative style recipe look like?
- Mark Trapp
The functional ones evolve into applications during time :)
- Ozkan Altuner
I don't know -- it might be fun to write a cookbook in Prolog or something.
- Paul Buchheit
Michael Chu at Cooking for Engineers (http://cookingforengineers.com/) has a neat pseudo-functional style, but it's still at its core imperative: http://www.cookingforengineers.com/recipe... (look at the bottom of the traditional recipe before the comments)
- Mark Trapp
It'd be hard to prepare food without side-effects.
- Laurence Gonsalves
The words "cookbook" and "recipe" are almost synonymous with imperative step-by-step directions. There are books about cooking which instead have the aim of educating you about the art and science of food preparation, which you might think of as a more declarative style of programming -- they describe the constraints, you solve them to reach your goal.
- ⓞnor
I prefer the Italian cookbooks because of the spaghetti code!
- Gabe
@Gabe LOL
- Ozkan Altuner
LOL. prefer them for the Ministrone: Tag soup
- Roberto Bonini
I prefer object-oriented cookbooks, where the tomato tells the pasta to cook itself.
- Jim Norris
But first you need a vegetable factory, which is of course instantiated via a vegetable factory factory, which is itself specified in an XML file.
- Paul Buchheit
Aren't those just a series of blog posts about how you can set up a panel of judges to evaluate how tasty your dish is, and also some discussions of the best way to organize your cookware, and whether a measuring cup is a subset of spoons, without ever discussing the actual preparation of food?
- ⓞnor
Shouldn't you have some sort of vegetable service, so you can instantiate different vegetables at runtime? Also, I may need to unit test that bottle of wine you're cooking with.
- Jim Norris
If a vegetable factory is a farm, is a vegetable factory factory... some agribusiness giant, like Monsanto? Or maybe a vegetable factory is a plant, and a vegetable factory factory is a seed.
- ⓞnor
I think Monsanto is a vegetable factory factory service provider implementation.
- Jim Norris
That's an implementation detail Dan, and therefore less important than the fact that we've carefully avoided creating any explicit dependencies. Presumably there's some kind of framework that can help with this.
- Paul Buchheit
Also, the measuring cup should just implement the Spoonable interface. Like your mom.
- Jim Norris
Yes, I think what's needed here is some sort of fruit guice.
- ⓞnor
Based on everything I've read about object-oriented programming, I think it would make more sense conceptually if the vegetable was a subclass of Rectangle.
- Mark Trapp
I wouldn't talk Jim, since *your* mom implements the Forkable interface.
- ⓞnor
At least my mother doesn't throw BrokenBarrierException.
- Jim Norris
Broken bury 'er exception? I hardly know 'er!
- ⓞnor
This has got to be the nerdiest thread of the month.
- Andrew C
Have you ever tried cooking in Haskell using Monads to separate and constrain side effects?
- Jim Norris
Paul: I'd rather have a farm factory than a factory farm! I think Monsanto is a factory farm factory.
- Gabe
I have to wonder if anyone has used any optimizers to plan out, say, a kitchen breakfast, given a standard autonomous programmable robot with attached spatula, various stores of ingredients, minimal thresholds for consumability, and double-blind taste testing for scoring. Given a robot arm dextrous enough to lift and move pans and mix ingredients and pour them between containers, it...
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- Jim Norris
Why isn't Linux written in contemporary Asian-Mexican fusion? ;)
- Pablo Mayrgundter
If the cooking is made by a team then we probably need some book on methodologies, like Agile cooking :)
- funkyboy
because imperative style needs you to behave like a dumb processor, one needs a smart interpreter for functional style recipes :D
- thequark
This wasn't a serious question, was it?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
courtesy of Andy Bakun: "def slow-cooker = stack() ; def cut(item) = { item.apply(knife) } ; def add-to-pot(item) = { slow-cooker.push(item) } ; [ [potatoes carrots celery onions].map(cut) roast salt pepper beef-bullion ].reduce(add-to-pot) ; [ (slow-cooker.apply(heat) * (x hours)) for 5 < x < 8 ] ; [ n/4 for person in range(4) ]" - http://friendfeed.com/thwarte...
- Dan Freeman
What would the web look like if each time a developer wanted to change their site, it had to be approved by a committee with a 2 week delay?
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Like 1995 when I was trying to upload MBs of data over a 14.4kbps dial-up modem for a website.
- John Wang
Like the Apple Store? :)
- Ray Cromwell
Please allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery
- Charles Ying
You've obviously never worked for a large company.
- Glen Campbell, esq.
You would be amazed how many large corporations still do this.
- dthree
First off, it doesn't matter what the developer wants; decisions are made by the product manager and reviewed by the higher product review board and the VP of product. Then the UED team gets involved and the design has to be done, redone, pitched, explained, and revised. The change also needs to make it onto the next quarter's roadmap, where it can be evaluated in light of other...
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- Glen Campbell, esq.
I'm not ignoring the fact that corporations go through a lengthy process to ensure the quality of their products. Of course Facebook does this too, and so do I personally. The point is, we are the ones who are qualified to determine when the app is ready. Apple is just a middleman, and they have a very limited ability to test the quality of our app.
- Joe Hewitt
A couple times Apple has caught bugs in our app and notified me of it, but they have also missed huge bugs that went through. The app on the store right now is orders of magnitude more buggy than the one sitting in the review queue.
- Joe Hewitt
I can only assume the review process is there for Apple to test compliance with their terms of service, and any bugs they find along the way are incidental. Thank goodness the web doesn't have a terms of service and a review queue.
- Joe Hewitt
With 40 apps per day per reviewer, I'm surprised the approval process works as well as it does.
- PXLated
Has any other company ever been faced with as many apps in such a short period as Apple - Just curious
- PXLated
If we developers always programmed everything to be perfect before releasing it, nothing would ever get released. ; )
- John Wang
it would look like an MMO they release half broken stuff every two weeks like clockwork
- Robert Higgins
Your question mentioned nothing of Apple and the App Store. I was merely responding to the question asked. Specifically, if, each time a developer wanted to change their site, it had to be approved by a committee with a 2-week delay, it would represent a vast improvement in the speed of delivery of site changes and probably a corresponding decline in the quality. Apple imposes their...
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- Glen Campbell, esq.
Sorry, Glen, the context in almost all of my tweets relates to iPhone development :)
- Joe Hewitt
Of course, Apple can do whatever they want, and I can go elsewhere. I am making suggestions on how they can improve their flea market and prevent people from going elsewhere. I believe the web has set the precedent that big platforms like the iPhone can thrive even without a centralized quality control bottleneck.
- Joe Hewitt
But Joe, the iPhone isn't like the web as a whole - it's more like gaming platforms and probably more open then they are. Will be interesting to see what happens on Android and if in fact it is more open, and if so what kind of chaos may ensue.
- PXLated
Are you serious - "prevent people from going elsewhere" - Where? And pass up the iPhone audience/marketplace? Even if Android is a success, developers won't leave iPhone in spite of all the bitching.
- PXLated
The iPhone is not a "gaming platform" until they tell me I can't develop anything but a game for it. A significant chunk of iPhone apps, mine included, are basically iPhone-optimized websites written in Objective-C. I admit that I don't see anyone, myself including, abandoning Apple over this issue, but I do believe that the quality of apps on the platform is being hurt by it. Just because other platforms are even more restrictive, like Playstation or some mobile platforms, is not an excuse.
- Joe Hewitt
It's not an excuse but none is needed, Apple developed a platform and set the rules just as the gaming platforms did/do. I'm personally not sure the (overall) quality is being hurt either.
- PXLated
In fact, maybe Apple should be a lot more restrictive - 65K apps probably confuses the hell out of many users. Maybe they need a rating system and then start eliminating the poorly performing apps. Get it down to a reasonable (best of breed) 5K ;-)
- PXLated
"Apple developed a platform and set the rules" - well there's a news flash. I don't think anyone needed to be informed of that. I think Joe's just trying to make the point that centralized control isn't necessary for the good apps to rise to the top. Would you consider the web to be a success if there were 65k sites (please don't get pedantic and point out that sites aren't apps; the argument holds for any reasonable multiplier)?
- Joel Webber
"Get it down to a reasonable (best of breed) 5K" - And exactly from what larger pool would you take that best of breed? If the breed's too small, you can't *have* a best-of-breed. The web's an unholy mess, but its size and chaos are precisely what makes it successful. People still manage to find the good stuff.
- Joel Webber
It would look like the website where I work....
- Don Schuetze
What would the web look like if a developer could be shut down for an alleged ToS violation? Like FaceBook?
- Kevin Marks
That's a lot better than how web applications ship. Please allow a few months before we change it.
- Burcu Dogan
You would have [insert any corporate review process here]. For significant changes, this is understandishable. However, it gets insidious when everything looks like a nail ... even if it isn't.
- Joe D'Andrea
read it late though, but i would hate it, then maybe web might not be as popular, interesting and powerful
- testbeta
My 30,000th Photograph on Flickr - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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My 30,000th Photograph on Flickr The photo above represents my 30,000th photograph published to Flickr. It’s a milestone and part of my continuing goal to publish 1,000,000 photos to Flickr before I die. This photograph is from one of my favorite shoots. A shoot I did with my wife and children a ways back in this storm drain in Big Tujunga Canyon.
- Thomas Hawk
@thomasHawk didn't you say you wouldn't use flickr after they were gits once long ago?
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Congratulations, Thomas! By the way, that shot would be perfect in my Vanishing Points group... I'll add an invite to it on Flickr.
- Kevin Trotman
Hasan, I did stop using Flickr for a while over some some censorship issues a while back. As you know I feel pretty strongly about censorship. I changed my mind though and couldn't really stay away.
- Thomas Hawk
"My 30,000th Photograph on Flickr" way to go @thomasHawk. I remember reading yr 10^6 & thinking thats ambitious. Now the Q. In the back of my mind I've been thinking about "how do you a) backup online against flickr takedowns? b) manage & curate the images as times goes on: cost, time etc?
- Peter Renshaw
Well mostly I back up my photos by using drobos as primary storage. I also keep another copy of my finished photos on hard drives off location. I upload pretty much the same photos to Flickr and Zooomr. So I've got two copies. Additionally, almost all of my flickr photos are fed into clustershot where they can be marketed for stock photography. I always upload original sized photographs...
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- Thomas Hawk
Veery nice one Thomas. Good job. :)
- BraGiu aka Beppe Bravi
Congratulations, Thomas! 970K to go!
- Alexander Arsky
Cool! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Congratulations, nice one!
- ilya
Congratulations. Doesn't seem like that long since 20000.
- James Myatt
Congrats Thomas!
- Simon Wicks
Great shot!!!
- Prakash
30,000, wow! Made me look. I'm only just past 20,000. Had no idea where I was. Need to pay attention to those landmarks. This is a wonderful shot, but then so many of yours are. You live to witness and share beauty.
- Patricia F. Anderson
Awesome!
- David Cook
from fftogo
Congratulations, and a beautiful picture. Thanks again for sharing
- Rob Kramer
That's a great photo, good work.
- Patrick
good stuff
- imran
500 a week! I feel slug-like. I'm so glad you do what you do with your talent at photography. Thank you for your inspiration and dedication to your craft, 4 children and spouse and a full time career aside. Very thought provoking and challenging. Congratulations on your milestone.
- Matt Penning
Congrats on reaching 30,000! Your artwork is always interesting.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Wow! 30,000?
- Zachary TG
congrats Thomas! I always look at flickr each day to see what you have uploaded :)
- Heather
Congrats!!
- Arijit Das
Posty - Spreading Funkyness - http://spreadingfunkyness.com/posty...
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There are many microblogging services out there. Sometimes you feel you have a “message” to send or a question to ask. If you subscribed many services, one of the first questions arising is: where do I post this? Twitter? Jaiku? Tumblr? Friendfeed? all of them? For each service usually you have to: open the browser, login, write message, click post. Although some cut and paste can save you some time, the task can get boring soon. Posty simplifies your microblogging. All you have to do is writing the message and clicking a button. Posty, an award winning application, will automatically deliver your message to the services you selected.
- Meryn Stol
Posty: Twitter, FriendFeed, Pownce, Jaiku, Tumblr in un solo client Adobe AIR - maestroalberto - http://www.maestroalberto.it/2008...
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If websites were people (YouTube’s is surprisingly accurate) - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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Where's Microsoft?
- Jesse Stay
stats say that teens dont twit so i guess twitter is a little off.
- ugurarcan
Not invited, Jesse.
- Louis Gray
jesse, microsoft is facebook's middle name.
- Bahriye
Twitter is really pale. Are they saying they never leave the house cause they are too busy tweeting? haha
- Shevonne
Where's FriendFeed?
- AJ Batac
in Facebook :(
- Zee.
OH. Yeah. I forgot. :'(
- AJ Batac
how about twitter? seems accurate too:)) where is FF?
- Mycaptain
ff is in the right pocket of facebook
- Bahriye
I'm convinced some mental asylum somewhere uses YouTube as anger therapy for its most disturbed and sociopathic patients.
- Chris Baskind
Expected Twitter to be a marketing social media expert. FF should be a hand puppet with Facebook's hand up its ass.
- Rodfather
LOL ROdfather!
- WorldofHiglet
WAAAAOOWW, Rodfather!
- Joe Silence
Lol +1 Chris
- Zee.
Aww Google looks kind of mean and disapproving : (
- Jess Lee
Google should have been searching something :))
- Turgay Dogan
deviantArt's the only girl?
- TonyRetrobot
I would think MySpace would be a teen chick
- Outsanity
Twitter should be Miley Cyrus
- Alejandro
Twitter should be an adult with gadgets in every pocket.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Or a can of spam, lol
- Outsanity
I'm already in love with DeviantArt
- Arash Nightwatcher
the source: http://elontirien.deviantart.com/art...
- Daniel Sims
ah, thanks Daniel
- Zee.
The interwebs sure are pale.
- cecily
Version 2: http://imgur.com/7mBO6.png
- Tanath
nice Tanath
- Zee.
I don't see 4chan. Probably for the best :p
- CannonGod
They would probably just have the V for Vendetta mask.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
@Neal: Epic Fail Guy! :D
- CannonGod
While I like the artwork and sentiment, the characters are really accurate. MySpace are moms and kids, Twitter is 30+, ok the YouTube guy looks about right assuming he's a commenter :-)
- DaveDelaney.ME
and here's digg, reddit, and 4chan http://imgur.com/7mBO6.png
- ian kennedy
Now taking bets on how many times 7mBO6.png gets posted here. =)
- Andrew C
Cecily, that was my comment as well. Very white and very skinny.
- Louis Gray
first time google looks sexy...well, kinda...
- Kamamiya
i hear they are making the cartoon for adult swim. spoiler alert: myspace gets killed halfway into the first season.
- jack
Funny.
- Rick Cogley
Google's wearing a *tie*?? Clearly they haven't hung around engineering much.
- Aaron D'Souza
Cool. I want to see the story that inspired the art.
- Michael Leggett
that was good 1.
- nishu
this is awesome. very good work!
- Logan Lindquist
Love the photos. Nice job...
- Mitchell Tsai
@Aaron - maybe the artist's conception of Google is about the ad sales, not the engineering.
- Andrew C
@Andrew: Wow. In that case, we have some seriously grumpy-looking sales folks. :)
- Aaron D'Souza
I just spoke with FriendFeed cofounder Paul Buchheit. Did you know that he promised family that FriendFeed would continue? More:
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He told me they messed up by not communicating better last week. The deal happened so fast that they didn't pay attention to everything.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I like how this is starting
- Robert DeBord
o0o0o0
- Mark
Promises ?
- johnpiercy
as its own service?
- Lee
you are the one who keeps proclaiming its death
- Mark
That's what Compaq said when they purchased DEC. (for those of you old enough to remember)
- RobinDotNet
A promise is not a guarantee.
- Amit Morson
Such a tease, Robert. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
More smoke-blowing. I don't care of Paul swore on the graves of his ancestors. Actions speak louder than words. Some vague promise to a group of people I'm excluded from doesn't do much to assuage my unease.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, you're right, but it's not smoke.
- Louis Gray
Okay, Louis, true. I retract that first sentence. The rest of it, however, I'm sticking by.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva: well I feel a lot better about things today.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Continue just as it is? Or with key changes?
- Karma Martell
I would expect them to post more on this topic soon - on their personal blogs.
- Louis Gray
If that's what Paul wants to promise us, he needs to release some kind of official statement, not send a message through Robert.
- Rochelle
Soon.
- Louis Gray
I bet you as part of the contract, its in there not to shut this down
- Stephen Pickering
Rochelle: there are too many unknowns to make a definitive statement yet.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
keeping my hopes up. but i do remember working at a few radio stations that were bought, we'd get a memo saying 'the format is not going to change' about three weeks before we switched to spanish. i think there is just too much here for ff to vanish. keep the dream alive!
- michael sean wright
How can he when it`s lost all of its autonomy? Supplanted by Facebook, bought outright no?
- sofarsoShawn
It couldve been part of the deal not to let the site die
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, like you said, one can hope. However both of us know how corporates work and it takes one small decision from share holders to close down the service, no matter what.
- Nir Ben Yona
They want to get to Facebook and get those unknowns nailed down first.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Holden and Rochelle, etc., let's be patient. If you see the post I put up last night and add Robert's comments here, we should be feeling a lot better today than we did on Monday.
- Louis Gray
Robert, all right. Well, after my initial freak-out over this, I've gone into complete wait-and-see mode. More of these vague promises and 'coming soon' messages don't really do much for me. When someone say something definitive, then I'll be there to consume it. The rest of this just doesn't add up for much.
- Akiva Moskovitz
That was a great post Louis
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks, Stephen. I thought it was important.
- Louis Gray
Akiva, exactly, waiting for official word.
- Kol Tregaskes
Nir: the way it was told to me contractually it can't be closed down anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I hope they don't change it so you have to have a Facebook account to use it. I have one, but share it with very few; I use Twitter and FF for everyone. I want to be able to use it the way I do now.
- RobinDotNet
Like any takeover/merger, some details just take time to work out. Hopefully FF can stay around in some form and help make FB better. We'll just have to wait and see. Thanks, Robert, for the info.
- Mark Edwards
I agree, we haven`t seen anything substantive in the way of contract etc but fingers crossed.
- sofarsoShawn
But doesn't mean it won't be shutdown at some point?
- Kol Tregaskes
And, Louis, I didn't see your post from last night but I'll read it as soon as I get back from the store.
- Akiva Moskovitz
was Pownce a bit like Friendfeed? I never used it
- Mark
I can't get my hopes up when Facebook is in the picture. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I am very happy to hear that! I hope it gets bigger than Twitter. It's a much better service.
- Sam Guzman
Stable Door and Horse comes to mind.
- Kevin J Hatton
The fact that the FF folks haven't yet said "This is how we want it, so this is how it's going to be" is just evidence that they don't have the final say on the matter. If it's subject to some additional authority/approval, nothing is certain at this point.
- Ken Sheppardson
Kol: it won't be shut down anytime soon. He was quite clear about that.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kol, the truth is they work for Facebook now, and therefore, FriendFeed can/will change, and it may not change 100% how you and I want. It may be part of Facebook's site later, and it may not. But Facebook is changing from what we know of it now to something new where they overlap.
- Louis Gray
In other words that was in the contract. Makes sense, since they were hesitant anyway
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, OK but maybe at some point though.
- Kol Tregaskes
I sure would like it if FF continued indefinitely.
- Jason Nunnelley
Kol: nothing in life is guaranteed.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Patience is a good thing. That said, if FriendFeed wasn't growing at a rate much higher than it has been, something would have to change. You don't bottle up such talent and experience and have it work on a product that was losing.
- Louis Gray
Robert, What about death and taxes?
- RobinDotNet
Good to hear. I am sure they will take time to decide what exactly to do with FF. How to integrate them together. What to do etc. FF the R&D for FB I think it could be
- Robert Anderson
Robert, true. All a bit vague still though.
- Kol Tregaskes
Scoble: encourage Facebook to keep FriendFeed as a premium brand. Let them tie it to Facebook data or whatever, but keep the system separate.
- Gary
Louis, right, this gives them legitimacy and exposure
- Stephen Pickering
Kol... if they wanted to grow they way they "deserved" to grow, this place would have changed underneath your feet to something you might hate. This is one way to put real capital and people behind the site as it is now.
- Louis Gray
So what? Do they continue try to grow friendfeed as an individual product? Or do they just leave it alive for those of us who actually use it?
- Sam Guzman
If this thing grows by leaps and bounds, FB is not going to close it
- Stephen Pickering
Mark: anytime a blogger says something is dead ALL that means is that it is less interesting than yesterday.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Over time, we will learn, Sam. It's a classical marketing/engineering decision. Do you build for the current user base, or the potential user base? With change. some were bound to leave anyway.
- Louis Gray
Louis, not arguing that at all. My point was about shutting it down or not. I'm at the wait-and-see stage, waiting for more news from FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
And any time I write a headline that says it's NOT dead... maybe I know what I'm talking about. :)
- Louis Gray
But this service grows more useful the more users there are
- Stephen Pickering
Something needs to happen. Twitter is useless now - maybe a new denial of service attack. I would love to see the Friendfeed technology spread to the mass user base that Facebook has.
- Frode Stenstrøm
Yeah, I understand. Maybe some of the extra publicity from the acquisition will lead to an increase in users...curious people signing up to see what it's all about.
- Sam Guzman
Well, at least he acknowledged they messed up.
- Rodfather
oh sweet, I just spent ages adding friendfeed people, setting up privacy and setting up FF to stream to my FB....now this might be a waste of time?
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Frode: that was what Paul told me too. He wants the tech here to be used by everyone.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I don't understand why Google didn't buy it instead.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Rod, FriendFeed has no PR or Marketing. Maybe if they did, this would have been handled differently. Some things come naturally, and others are hard. But I bet you will see a lot more soon.
- Louis Gray
I've heard the same from another founder, Robert.
- Anne Bouey
Franz, no official word, just wait for an announcement from FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
They didn't want to work for google again.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Makes you wonder about a due diligence ckecklist and the speed of getting this deal done
- courtney benson
Kinda why they left. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Right, look at Google Reader. They don't know how to do social
- Stephen Pickering
It's all wonky and hard to understand
- Stephen Pickering
But GR is going in that direction.
- Kol Tregaskes
Companies come and companies go. They can go by closing their doors or by being acquired. Only time will tell whether FriendFeed has come and gone.
- Jeff Sayre
Google Reader is nothing like FF. No one really uses the social features.
- Sam Guzman
GR is trying, but its all wonky and totally un understandable
- Stephen Pickering
Oh. I just don't trust Facebook at all and can barely stand using it after being here.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer, I think we have to look beyond the caricatures of people like Zuckerberg, and recognize that he too may want the same things we do. Facebook is growing up and I bet FriendFeed and its team is a big part of that.
- Louis Gray
Louis, hope so.
- Kol Tregaskes
courtney: Paul talked about that too. He said once the team made the decision they knew it had to be closed overnight to prevent it from leaking.
- Robert Scoble
Louis I think its a perfect marriage, genius engineers + genius Marketers
- Stephen Pickering
Real real time would be awesome in Facebook. I really hope it comes soon.
- Sam Guzman
Well, he didn't quite say "prevent it from leaking" but he said "it's important to do it all at once." I knew what he meant, though, that it had to be done fast to keep things from getting crazy, like they do once decisions like this get taken into public sphere.
- Robert Scoble
I am sure paul is truthful in that he would like for it to go that way, but this is a M&A situation, and even if it is written into the agreement, there are a million ways around it. At the end of the day, shareholders make the rules in a majority vote. If ff isn't integrated in fb somehow, I fail to see how it benefits fb.
- Erik Boles
from iPhone
Kol: Paul was emphatic that Facebook is a far more interesting company at this time in both company's history.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Somehow this doesn't sound too convincing. If Friendfeed has been losing a LOT of regular users because of their deal with Facebook, they'd be concerned. Friendfeed is likely to get you to speak on their behalf, since you are their most popular user. Maybe Paul is trying to convince you, so that he can indirectly convince others too. That might save an early end to Friendfeed brought on by the rapid loss of users.
- K N Ajit Narayan
I totally agree with Paul, by the way. Facebook is a much more interesting company to join right now than Google is.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook = Microsoft 2.0
- scott anderson
Robert: Did he mention anything about Mashable reporting an acquisition had been talked about since `07?
- sofarsoShawn
YAY! thanks Scoble for letting us know - i feel alot better today!
- Chris Clayton
Hey, Microsoft had a decent run
- Stephen Pickering
Louis: yeah, Zuckerberg is a lot smarter and a lot more down to earth than most of the press gives him credit for. He's always been straight up with me. Much better than other companies have treated me.
- Robert Scoble
And that's even including getting kicked off of Facebook for 24 hours.
- Robert Scoble
@ Scott, LOL Facebook = Microsoft 2.0! I see your point, but it far surpasses Microsoft Live attempt at a social network.
- Nakeva Corothers
Erik: technologies that have great audiences don't get killed. If anything will kill it, it will be us. By leaving.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, cool. Well if they can ditch a lot of their annoying features, like this FB Lite might be, then I might be interested in moving over with all the FF features implemented but I just can't work with FB in it's currently state. I had another go this weekend and still didn't like it. But I'd be even happier if FF stayed here. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
this is gonna be an interesting story to follow for sure. For now I am just using friendfeed the way I have been and see what comes out down the road. life is about changes.
- (jeff)isageek
sofarsoShawn: I don't know what you're talking about regarding Mashable.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe I missed it earlier in this thread but why can't they just come out and say something directly to the community? Obviously a lot of people are concerned and anxious about it... Why do we have to hear second-hand? And why has it all been so vague? No news is not necessarily good news in cases like this.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Robert, Leo called himself Leo Scoble today because he deleted his 5000 FB friends and moved them over to his fan page
- Stephen Pickering
jeff: yeah. Visiting Facebook is going to get more interesting. He also said that the first month at Facebook (which starts Monday) will be all about learning about Facebook's code. So, no new features will come quickly.
- Robert Scoble
Ok. I hope Facebook changes a LOT so it's more tolerable. Although I don't like it, I need to set up a good Facebook page for business so I can remain competitive.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I hope they do right by you. You brought them to the party. I hope that gets recognized somehow monetarily.
- Jim Posner
Saying that it might be shut down at some point doesn't tell us anything new, though; after all, any site might be shut down at some point due to going out of business etc.
- Tristan Seligmann
When anything comes out of this it was always going to be long term.
- Kol Tregaskes
Can i just add - Paul never said friendfeed was going to die in the first place... instead they said the complete opposite - "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product with the Facebook team."
- Chris Clayton
I'm not sure why everyone dislikes Facebook. What's wrong with it?
- Sam Guzman
sofarsoShawn, yes, Facebook had been talking to FriendFeed since 2007.
- Louis Gray
Lindsay, I bet the FriendFeed team has a very busy week and maybe you hear from them on all this soon.
- Louis Gray
Robert: "technologies that have great audiences don't get killed..." oh, come on, you know better than that! My dad worked at IBM so I've been seeing tech companies kill great stuff that their customers liked for most of my life!!!!
- Fred Davis
Jim, Scoble has gotten no money from FriendFeed (nor have I). Neither one of us expects to, as that would change the relationship.
- Louis Gray
He said FF would continue operating normally "for now". That was what freaked people out. But I'm glad to hear that Paul and company have plans to keep the service running for the foreseeable future. I wouldn't want to wake up one morning and find my favorite service was shut down.
- Jason Huebel
Fred, right, the Innovators Dilemma, but in this case its cost of running a website is halving every year
- Stephen Pickering
Louis: yes, but Paul told me that when I last was in the office they hadn't yet decided to go to Facebook. Everything happened in the past two weeks. I think you even walked in on one of their key decision points. He said they worked all weekend long on the agreement.
- Robert Scoble
Fred: nothing in life is guaranteed, yeah, you're right. But there's no business reason to turn this off anytime soon. If we all leave there will be.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: e.g., consumer company changes focus to biz or gets acquired... new company direction leads to consumer products getting killed despite popularity... that's just one of many ways that good tech gets killed all the time!!!
- Fred Davis
No disagreement on that at all, Robert. I know I walked in on something big, and that was my mistake for not calling ahead.
- Louis Gray
Seems their valuation stood on Roberts shoulders to some degree. At the least, a public thanks would have been nice.
- Jim Posner
Jason: i know, thats what got me freaked out too - i just thought i would add it in incase anyone missed it :) and because im a little bored! lol
- Chris Clayton
If FF were Twitter, we'd be screaming bloody blue murder about how they don't "get" user communication, etc., etc.
- Chris Baskind
Fred, can you give any examples? Any software I used to use that is no longer available was replaced with something better.
- RobinDotNet
No business reason that WE understand... 'cuz we don;t go to Facebook board meetings ;-) Facebook may have their own agenda... in fact, I assume they do...
- Fred Davis
Jim: I do this because I love it, not because I expect thanks or goodies.
- Robert Scoble
Why even bring this up if they can't talk about it? Nothing has changed just more innuendo and smoke and mirrors and a lot of 'what ifs'. Wake me when there's something concrete.
- Derrick
Robert: when you talk to paul next, can you push him into doing a public announcement on it all? Just give him a nudge in the right direction! :)
- Chris Clayton
RobinDotNet... god, too many to count! First one I was bummed about was in '85 when Musicworks was the best MIDI program on the Mac... got acquired by some jerky game company that decided it wasn't a game and stranded all the users! Yeah, eventually new better stuff came along... but that didn't do the users of the current any good at that time...
- Fred Davis
Derrick: sorry, I totally disagree. I didn't know that contractually they can't kill the service anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
Derrick, there is more than smoke.
- Louis Gray
It makes sense, they had leverage to make that deal
- Stephen Pickering
Fred -- Okay, so that was one that was 24 years ago. Have any more recent examples? If you can't think of any, then they obviously weren't that important.
- RobinDotNet
Because they were hesitant, they had the leverage to make that part of the deal. Makes total sense
- Stephen Pickering
Um, apple buys leading music sequencing package and kills of PC version because, um, they want to force you to use a mac... come on, the list is endless!!! Companies screw customers by killing good products for their own reasons all the time....
- Fred Davis
Sorry, things are moving fast in this thread. There's a contractual obligation on FB's part to keep FF running?
- Jason Huebel
Fred, you keep saying the list is endless, but the only one you can name is one that came out about 2 years after the 1st Mac, 24 years ago. I'm just saying....
- RobinDotNet
Fred, but what if part of the deal was not to kill it?
- Stephen Pickering
This whole "Friendfeed is dead" mantra is, has, and always will be nothing more than an attempt to get attention. Friendfeed is successful and Facebook would never do anything to destroy that.
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
Derrick: believe me, Louis and I have been talking and concerned about the messaging coming out of this deal more than anyone. We both invested a lot of our time/careers here. Louis has been talking with the team too and that's where his post came from yesterday. I suggest you read it and read between the lines too.
- Robert Scoble
Understand Robert, Really not about your motivation, just good manners in my opinion for Friendfeed to thank you publically. Maybe they have and I missed it. I think you did more for promoting the service than the founders.
- Jim Posner
now, what facebook decides to do with friendfeed... who knows... Yahoo kept Flickr going... so far... but that seems like the exception... no one's really using jabber any more, but it lives on in the upcoming Wave and as XMPP at Google...
- Fred Davis
agreed scoble promoted the service in a big way
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Jim: thanks, appreciate it. Paul did thank me in the interview I did with him right after the announcement was made.
- Robert Scoble
If there is a contractual obligation on FB's part to keep FF running, the obvious question is what does this contract state and does it give a duration. Hopefully we'll hear more later.
- Kol Tregaskes
Why? What would be the point? I respect you two enough and all that you do in the world of social media and that's fine. I want a place I can converse, post my pictures, air my gripes, and continue to establish the friends I've made via Friendfeed. Will I be able to do that or not? I'm so tired of the conjecture. Some of us, are just people who love the service and more than anything, very simply, we just want to be able to utilize it.
- Derrick
Kol: I call it the "Paul is sleeping on the couch for a month" clause. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
LOL, Robert.
- Kol Tregaskes
For a company like Facebook, I would imagine that the consolidation of branding advantage would lead me to suspect that even if Friendfeed is kept going in some way, it will be re-branded as Facebook... just like Longs, Wamu, and Wells Fargo are going through right in Facebook's backyard.
- Fred Davis
Derrick, this is the place to do that. :)
- Louis Gray
"For now". ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Throws sheep at Kol
- Louis Gray
Hehe, Louis.
- Kol Tregaskes
The other main issue I have is that, now we are creating content for Facebook. Facebook owns our data. For some reason I didn't mind Paul and his team, they were blacksheep. If I wanted to make Facebook richer I would type in Facebook in the URL. I dont want to make Facebook richer.
- Robert Higgins
What are the alternatives to FF? Isn't there Streamy, Plurk, SocialThing?
- Eric
Louis, I'll be counting sheep soon, need sleep. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Eric, we've been evaluating alternatives in the CloneFeed/OpenFF room. None of them really come anywhere close to what FF offers.
- Jason Huebel
Eric, none of those services are really similar. SocialThing is closest, but FF is still quite a bit different.
- Sam Guzman
Of course, since I'm hoping Grabbit will replace Friendfeed for most people, I'm more than a little biased, and that makes me care a lot less about what happens to Friendfeed... even though I love the service, and hope Facebook keeps it going. We're already planning to support Friendfeed in Grabbit, and the new Friendfeed API is awesome, so who knows what the extent of the disruption...
more...
- Fred Davis
So the word now is that FF will be around for a while AND Paul's mentioned the possibility that parts of FF might be open sourced. Any idea what parts?
- Jason Huebel
Sam, I know there is something. I am upset, because I wanted to buy FF someday! :)
- Eric
There has to be an alternative.
- Eric
Jason: too early to know that for sure. I'd start with the API. From what my friends are telling me who are good developers the API is actually very well thought out.
- Robert Scoble
Eric: Not really. Make one.
- Sam Guzman
There was an alternative, but I think it shut down.
- Eric
There is no need to replace FriendFeed. That there are options to decentralize our info is great, but I'm not going anywhere.
- Louis Gray
It was called SocialThing.
- Eric
Fred: I just don't like Facebook's service for WHAT I DO. For my wife? It's freaking awesome. And the execs there have always treated me very well (Zuckerberg walked around Davos with me, while every other journalist was drooling over the opportunity to do that -- he's a lot nicer and smarter than most people give him credit for).
- Robert Scoble
SocialThing got bought by AOL, and it wasn't as good as FF anyway. You could see people's activity, but there was no real interaction. FF is what it is because of the interaction.
- Sam Guzman
Eric & Jason: my new web thingie Grabbit, will do everything Friendfeed does and more, so much more... it's still in alpha, and the beta won't be out until next month... but already the alpha features better Facebook and integration than Friendfeed, IMHO... so, check out grabbit.net and ask to be on the beta list, and we'll keep you posted...
- Fred Davis
@Louis, I'm not going anywhere either. But this acquisition not only scared people that FF might go away but also that their data would go with it. So there is /some/ need for alternatives.
- Jason Huebel
It was called Rejaw, and it was shut down.
- Eric
Fred: can't wait to see more about Grabbit.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Hey dude, I TOTALLY agree with you about Facebook! I've been telling people for a while that I think Facebook is in the process of Yahoo-ing themselves... and that ain't no compliment!
- Fred Davis
FriendFeed family or real family?
- Mona Nomura
FF is crazy to sell. They should've sold to Google, what were they thinking?
- Eric
I think someone needs to create a web dashboard like FF, but that somehow integrates e-mail.
- Sam Guzman
louis i agree with you. i am not going anywhere either. this is the place i love and think is awesome
- (jeff)isageek
Robert, is Paul referencing his FriendFeed family or real family? (not expanding thread - too long)
- Mona Nomura
Mona: real family AND FriendFeed family. They are one and the same if you look at it the right way.
- Robert Scoble
Sam: what do you mean "intergrate email" friendfeed already has email features so it depends on what you mean...
- Chris Clayton
Same here, Jeff. If FF is still around I'm not budging. It it goes FB on us then it's bye-bye.
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Wave is like FF?
- Eric
Sam, got that in Grabbit... email, RSS, blog alerts, news alerts, and more... plus the coolest friend management stuff to help you sort all that out, not just the messages, updates, and alerts...
- Fred Davis
Mona: if you want me to do something for you, talk Maryam into it first. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Fred: Then I am really excited to try it.
- Sam Guzman
Eric: just like the others you mentioned, it has 1 or 2 similar features, but completely different!
- Chris Clayton
and twitter, facebook, friendfeed, etc., of course... we're starting a signup on grabbit.net...
- Fred Davis
I used to use FeedEachOther which was like FF.
- Eric
Chris: Like the friendfeed stream, you could login and see all your friend's activity, but also see your latest e-mails (Could be easily accessed with a sidebar link, like direct messages). By commenting on an e-mail, you could reply. Just like FF direct messages, but it would send a real e-mail response. Does that make sense?
- Sam Guzman
Now there is Google Reader.
- Eric
Google reader is improving, but still has a long way to go. On the social side.
- Bluesun 2600
That's the one thing I've always liked about FriendFeed - the founders (and staff) interacts with the community, as do their family members. The community members were treated like family, too. :) Whatever which way, hopefully Facebook will integrate FriendFeed's functions to carry on the "feel" over there as well. Personally, I have the more the merrier approach! BTW see you Thursday, Robert! Gnomedex sold out!
- Mona Nomura
I'm not up to speed with this discussion, but FB must have bought FF to merge FF tech into FB. FF for everybody, not just Scoble and tech friends.
- Zato Gibson
...would continue as independant application or as zombie inside "failbook"? ;-/
- Claude LaFrenière
Sam: i was actually looking for a way to have the subjects of my emails show up on my friendfeed dashboard awhile ago - do you mean like that? Because that would be awesome!
- Chris Clayton
i would love to see friendfeed get a killer mobile app...maybe improve on fftogo a little more
- (jeff)isageek
Google Reader is my current alternative btw. I've found the share box today and now using it like FF's share box. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Reader is great, but it's not built to replace FriendFeed. It's not an aggregator, for one.
- Louis Gray
one thing is I don't think you can share images from pages as easily as FF's share.
- Bluesun 2600
Life2front has anyone heard of it?
- Eric
Chris: Yes, maybe have a subject show up in your feed, and clicking would expand to reveal the full e-mail. Reply's could be generated by commenting on the e-mail. I'm sure FF won't integrate this, but I'm just throwing it out there. It's something I wish some social service would integrate. Either that, or make e-mail inboxes more social. Kind of like Yahoo e-mails new features, but better executed. How cool would it be to login to your e-mail and be greeted by a FF like social stream.
- Sam Guzman
i think you can look at two services that were bought up and never really changed all this time in flickr and delicous so hey maybe friendfeed stays around as it is...maybe just integrates a bit more or something with facebook
- (jeff)isageek
Well you can put your services into a folder then create a bundle and share it. But no not quite like FF. It lacks a lot of features and Comments view is awful.
- Kol Tregaskes
and look how long google had grand central before they really even started doing anything with it.
- (jeff)isageek
I guess what I'm saying is, don't keep e-mail so separate from the rest of your online social activity. It should be more integrated than it is now, in my opinion. Why not include it in a service like FF?
- Sam Guzman
So Friendfeed stays on as a side project instead of being abandoned. Does that really make a difference in the grand scheme of things? The service isn't going to grow by leaps and bounds either in audience or functionality now. I guess a slow death is easier for people to deal with than a quick one.
- Dare Obasanjo
Sam: i love that idea... email services dont have RSS (not that i can find anyway) i was looking for 5 hours for one afew months ago so i could put it in a private group to show up on my FF stream. but i ended up being dissapointed!
- Chris Clayton
I hope we all converge over to Google Wave and that some clever sod codes a FF-type service built on the Wave protocol. :-) GWave is great fun to use!
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: are you going to send me a download link? :P im still waiting for it from the 'sneak peek' survey i filled out AGES ago!
- Chris Clayton
Whhhhhhat how`d you try it already?
- sofarsoShawn
Dare: there are lots of things that don't get many new features but are still very popular. FriendFeed still has way more features and is better technology than anything else I've seen in the marketplace. Maybe someone will eclipse it, but that won't happen soon and, yes, a slow death is definitely better than a quick one. Why? Cause you can make plans and change your behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Download link for GWave? Don't work like that. ;-) Just wait until 30th September, Chris. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Chris, yeah, and I think what I'm describing would take more than just RSS integration. But Kol is right, maybe Google Wave will be the answer :) I can't wait to try it! Especially if other services can be integrated like in FF.
- Sam Guzman
Kol: but september is too long to wait :( blame scoble for making me a social media addict! :)
- Chris Clayton
Hehe, it will fly by.
- Kol Tregaskes
Robert: if this is just about whether they'll shut off the servers or not then why is this even causing hubbub? Given the complaining of a vocal set of users I'm sure that even if they planned to shut off the site, it'll keep going for a while. However it seems obvious that all their innovative ideas and day time hacking should be filled with innovating on Facebook not here.
- Dare Obasanjo
As both Louis and I have said - these guys have been nothing but actions thus far and haven't let us down. I see nothing changing from that yet, so I suggest everyone continue that trust. They have done nothing to break that trust yet. And like I wrote about, Facebook needs them as much as they need Facebook - Facebook wants to change into something more of what FriendFeed is, from what I've seen and read.
- Jesse Stay
It's not about shutting the servers off for some (most?) folks, it's a matter of how you reconcile FriendFeed and Facebook's views on content licensing, ownership, and privacy; whether we'll continue to see innovation at a pace faster than what Facebook's user base has historically been comfortable with; and whether we'll see a continuation of Friendfeed's openness towards third party developers and the open source community.
- Ken Sheppardson
And as I've said over and over again, Jesse, I think most of us trust the FriendFeed folks as individuals, but that trust doesn't necessarily transfer to Facebook as an institution.
- Ken Sheppardson
I second Ken. Zuckerbergs plans/dreams are also a kind of wild-card here. They could be favorable to us FriendFeed users, or not. Up till now, Zuckerberg hasn't done much favorable for me. That sucks. I wish it were different.
- Meryn Stol
Say what you want about Facebook but Zuckerberg and/or Facebook has revolutionized the Internet by forcing people to be real. (not real-time) It even reflects on Youtube - the commenters aren't as moronic as they were say three years ago, since more and more people are using their real names and identities.
- Mona Nomura
It's always like this and it never turns out the way Paul says it will, though I believe his intentions are honorable. At some point you no longer work for the old company and you start working for the new one. My guess is this has already happened. Soon people from the old team will have their new assignments, and then one day the server will go down. They'll bring it back up, but...
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- Dave Winer
Damn, Dave. And I thought that *I* was a cynic.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I've been through it myself, and been in Paul's position.
- Dave Winer
Dave, I don't doubt that at all. It's just amazing from my perspective to see it put so honestly. Well put, sir.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Only when I was in Paul's position, I had a simpler situation cause we were developing shrinkwrap software and our mission was supposedly unchanged. We didn't have servers that had to be kept up 24-by-7. Even so, six months after the merger, the whole thing was turned upside down and the team had all-new priorities and tons of people had left, including the top guy (me!). I would get...
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- Dave Winer
Well put, Mona!
- Jesse Stay
Dave, I expect it to change, but I also expect that Facebook is doing this for not just the team they just acquired. I think Facebook really wants this technology.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, that may be true but they'll want it for Facebook. And if you're a fan of Facebook, that's great, Facebook's going to get better. But if you're not? If you're a a fan of FriendFeed? Then all you're going to end up with is a bastardized FriendFeed with lots of dipshit apps.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Jesse: I'm not so sure. The technology will need to be rebuilt for the Facebook infrastructure. That's one reason why Paul doesn't have good answers for us yet. He said he needs a few weeks to really dig into Facebook's code base before he even has a good idea of where he and the FriendFeed'ers can really add value.
- Robert Scoble
Akiva, I'm a fan of both. And you know you can ignore those apps - that's not something you can do on FriendFeed or Twitter. FriendFeed would have gotten just as bad as it grew.
- Jesse Stay
Dave: thinking back on why I joined FriendFeed, it was because I expected that the team would do something interesting in the future. That reason has now been fulfilled and now that these guys are at Facebook it'll be interesting to see what they do.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse, where is the button to ignore the apps? I want to ignore all of them, all the time. Instead, I have to click hide on every single bloody one of them and still get notifications from people wanting me to add apps. I'd tolerate Facebook better if there was a magic "no apps, ever" button.
- Rochelle
Somewhat selfishly, I have just gained a whole load of new friends on Fb, here and on Google Reader and have learned loads about sharing and subscribing for which I thank you all :-) I will just watch and wait now, but I do agree that if everyone dashes off somewhere else and deserts FF, it could well hasten its demise. Best to try and use all the services and interlink them if we can.
- Julia Ault
Rochelle: I want you to install the FriendFeed app. :)
- Louis Gray
I am sure that FB was not happy if FF was going into MS hands or Google hands ,they bought it and now they will be the most important live and live search player on top of the best social community,,I am happy for them and for us as well ,they will keep our home and thats great news
- Johni Fisher
Jesse, this is true. I guess my real point is—aside from the easy-as-punch Facebook app snarking—that the very philosophies on which each service was built are essentially different. I'm not saying that these divergent ideas can't be unified. I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. I'm sure the...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
Wish I was a millionaire like him :/
- Mark
"I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. " - very well put, Akiva.
- Meryn Stol
Akiva, who says they will become one site? Why not enable the two communities to remain separate if they want, under the Facebook brand? I don't think we know yet what will happen.
- Jesse Stay
Good news because I love friend feed in it's current format.
- Rob Cairns
Robert, yes, we don't know for sure, but then again we don't know for sure - I don't see reason to change too much of our trust until something actually happens. I do know Facebook wants to open up more, while still retaining your right to privacy. The privacy thing is something FriendFeed (or Twitter) doesn't have, and I think would be a welcome addition.
- Jesse Stay
Rochelle, you have to do it either by app, or individual (unless I've missed the option). That said, I would kill for the ability to do that on FriendFeed or Twitter. They don't even have that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: FriendFeed doesn't have apps, so I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to; if you mean the ability to hide posts aggregated from a particular service, that's already there.
- Tristan Seligmann
Last I checked, Jesse, FriendFeed didn't have MafiaWars or Superpoke.
- Akiva Moskovitz
(If you click on "Hide", and then "hide other items like this one", you get a whole list of options)
- Tristan Seligmann
FriendFeed has a finite number of things to hide ("all items from Bob", "all Flickr posts", etc.). That's much more easy control than the thousands of apps on Facebook. It's like playing whack-a-mole over there. It feels like the more I hide, the more they appear.
- Rochelle
Akiva, Tristan, it's only a matter of time before the auto-dm apps appeared on FriendFeed. So long as FriendFeed grows, they will come. So long as it doesn't grow, it *does* disappear. There's no "hide all from the app that generated this DM" option on FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, and, with all of the hide options already present on FriendFeed, you don't think the devs would have had the presence of mind to include something similar for any supposed FriendFeed apps?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I trust that they'll add that as much as I trust they'll continue to fight for FriendFeed at Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
They don't even need any extra options; you can already hide direct posts based on the application that created them. For example, if you hide this post of Robert's, you'll get the option to hide all posts by iPhone.
- Tristan Seligmann
Jesse, I think no-one doubts that *they* will fight. The question is if they win. They're just employees now.
- Meryn Stol
Again, I'm surprised that my own cynicism—legendary in its own right—is being beaten about the face and neck in this thread.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Meryn, I also know the Facebook team - they're just as competent as FriendFeed's. Their original audience started different than FF's, but they too have to expand.
- Jesse Stay
Holden: engagement.
- Robert Scoble
It's hard for innovators to stop innovating, and for entrepreneurs to lose the total freedom and self-reliance that drives them. Every entrepreneur that I know personally (only a few, alas!) who has sold for the big bucks has eventually gone on to create something else.
- Kathy Fitch
Jesse, as I said earlier, my lack of knowledge on the plans of Zuckerberg is the problem. Do you know Zuckerberg? In the end, he's gonna decide what appears on Facebook or not. Also, it's not so much a matter of competence than it is a matter of vision and taste.
- Meryn Stol
I'm sure the FB engineers are competent.
- Meryn Stol
And wouldn't it be fascinating to have a gander at the kinds of separation agreements folks who leave FB must sign? Almost as interesting as seeing the acquisition agreement in this case.
- Kathy Fitch
It's totally unclear if future conversations we might have on FB will ever be indexable by Google. (or any other search engine) That all depends on Zuckerberg's final say. I can't look in the guy's head.
- Meryn Stol
Sure seems like you're scrambling, Robert, to place yourself in the center of this when you were completely blindsided by the sale. Justs sayin'
- Mattb4rd
Louis, nope! Those are two separate worlds for me and I intend to keep it that way.
- Rochelle
Once you stop owning something you lose the ability to make promises about it. Good intentions or no. One hard headed business decision like FF is not earning its keep or we need the resources elsewhere and it's done. Been on both sides.
- Todd Hoff
The only thing that would make a real difference in this case would be an unambiguous statement from Mark Zuckerberg himself. Let him address the FF community and actually say what he will commit himself to. I suppose he's a man of his word.
- Meryn Stol
Good news. Doin' the right thing!
- Rob Schieber
Yeah sure! Promises Promises!!!
- Jose Luis Santos
Hmm. A whole lot of the sale was in stock options. Takes awhile to get fully vested. The next few years should prove very interesting.
- Kathy Fitch
How can you live up to that promises when you no longer own it?
- John D Reasor
....hmmmm, we got the wrong impression then?
- Mark Essel
Nevermind, I'd feel a helluva lot better with an unattached open social media where I could rely on keeping contacts and connections however weak for as long as I chose to continue using the service.
- Mark Essel
Actions speak louder then words, and the key is the final decision is no longer up to him. I am sure Paul means every word he says I just not sure he is going to be able to keep it.
- Kim Landwehr
I don't expect FF to go away right away. I just expect things will definitely be different. I do hope that FB does improve, but I am also branching out given the sale.
- Kevin Whalen
"Promises are a bourgeois invention and, anyway, they're meant to be broken." [V. I. Lenin quoted from inexact memory] by
- ianf ⌘
@louisgray's »If you see the post I put up last night...« <http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...> If you cared for others to read that post, you'd have included a direct link to it. It's the essence of hypertext, and any "Silicon Valley early adopter, tech geek blogger" worth the name would have done just...
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- ianf ⌘
It would make some business sense to keep FF as some kind of separate site/module, if just to stop another site taking it's place and becoming another competitor.
- Robert Littlejohn
Hi Ian! I get what you are saying, but sometimes, dropping links to my own posts in other people's threads looks like spam. I also believe a good number of people saw it, and know how to get it otherwise. That said, it's right here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
Robert - To say Facebook is more interesting to work for than Google may be a stretch. While Facebook is growing exponentially and has challenges, Google faces HUGE challenges just staying Google ... while exploring new areas of growth. Keeping the index relevant is a big challenge in itself. On the other hand ... the 'FF guys' have worked there already and know how they feel about what direction they wanted to go ... which .. I think ... makes a little more sense?
- Charlie Anzman
Charlie: remember most of this team already worked at Google. Facebook is pre IPO. Google is not. The potential rewards are much larger at Facebook and the potential to have an impact is much larger at Facebook too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Posting links (references) to one's other posts "looks like spam"? That's news to me, and a lame excuse. In any event, given main difference between worlds of analog and digital publishing being ability in the latter case to refer back to source in unambiguous and granular fashion (rather than, as in analog, to indicate issue, chapter, page, verse, line, etc - if at all), not including...
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- ianf ⌘
ianf, I agree, but it feels like spam when you're doing it. Encourage him nicely.
- Bruce Lewis
i suspect that, if FF were to survive relatively unchanged it will be through an open-source effort. i doubt FF will survive as a stand-alone site w/ Fb paying the freight.
- MikeAmundsen
Why don't the FF founders release an official statement saying how long the site will continue and what we can expect if we stay?
- Tomy Thomson
Keep in mind that despite the best intentions, nearly half of all sincere promises end in divorce.
- April Russo (app103)
Robert: I agree that the technology with great audiences don't get killed off, but the name of the game to the shareholders is money. It makes a ton more sense for facebook to integrate friendfeed into facebook, an already monetizable model, vs. leaving it as a de-coupled technology that has to have a new revenue model built for it.
- Erik Boles
like x1000
- Raphael, Raphael
With so much money still on the table in the form of stock options, there's certainly plenty of motivation to make FB stellar. If FF ends up being treated well, too (for whatever reason--a promise, a warm fuzzy feeling, its potential role in helping to make FB stellar), then I'm all for that.
- Kathy Fitch
There is a way to argue keeping FF going makes sense to FB: The important thing in social software ISN'T the software, it's the people who use it. If the people who use FF are sufficiently different to those on FB, then it could make sense to keep both services. Possibly they may end up using the same software, but have different brands. Think of VW group in cars (SEAT/Skoda/VS/Audi are...
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- Nick Lothian
Interesting thread. I think that Paul has the best intention and he will do everything he can to keep the existing service up. Dave Winer has a good summary of the forces he will have to fight against. Making a Facebook vs. Google vs. Microsoft decision was probably a hard one. I am wondering if Twitter was in the race too...Twitter + Friendfeed could have been a great team to go...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Why the outreach now and not earlier in the week? Has something spooked the FF team? Seeing people looking for alternatives, and poking around Google Reader, Streamy, SocialThing, perhaps? Robert said it himself, if people leave here, FF dies, and the team doesn't have a whole lot to sell to FB (yeah, arguably) and that could scotch the whole deal. So I'm just wondering why the outreach now?
- Dominic Jones
ianf: don't you know, links are dead? ;)
- Tristan Seligmann
read it from the begining, I'm happy FF crew is beginning to acknowledge the questions, Dave definitely has a point, but all-in-all I thought death was near, it looks like it gets delayed for some time. The main thing is ppl are still here although reader is the new playground...unfortunately the communication with their team isn't all that good...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Dobromir, "read [297 more comments] from the begining" is not a good advice for anything, least of all here, in the Kingdom of Perpetual Constant Fragmentary Attention Overload, where realtime fly-by comments are the rule.
- ianf ⌘
Robert, thank you for sharing this info. I hope everyone got the message clearly. Wonderful news!
- Michael Fidler
from iPhone
Ok, I hadn't time to read all the comments on this thread. But this sure sounds promising, and I do trust Robert and Louis when they're saying something. So I'm hopeful:)
- Patrik Johansson
It is not whether Friendfeed lives or dies. It's whether our free-wheeling, anarchic, community-driven approach will be replaced by the bland family-oriented guidelines of Facebook. Will we still be able to chuckle of Asian men on a beach, for example?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
hey all, we can't return to the past, what happen has already happened, now the question is this one, may a micro community survive inside a large community, the answer is YES, FF community can and may have the same social behaviour it has here, and when move to FB, we need just to preserve our connections, and to maintain the same behaviour. that all, but even ancients tribes don't survive without scarifying some of their tradition.
- abdellah
Will Friend feed just get - morphed into Facebook now? clearly they want to take on Twitter. I noticed that I tryed to remove my Friend feed from facebook recently because less techy friends complained that I take over there Friend feeds...! But I can't... mmmm
- PRBristolco.uk
FaceFeed. Nom nom nom.
- Marlin Forbes
My goodness, there needs to be a way to search comments...I scanned to see if Paul had chimed in, but didn't see that.
- Chad Gesser
Scobe: I hope he does chime in. I think he needs to since you broke that.
- Chad Gesser
Chad: I think he'll say more after he has a little time at Facebook and can give definitive answers as to what the FriendFeed team is going to do there. He told me that will take several weeks.
- Robert Scoble
no i didnt know that
- Chris Nwakalo
if so wonderful news
- Ronald
Facebook is genuinely interested in best in class customer experience. I can't yet envision what features or practices are incorporated or left behind, but it seems a positive move for users. There is always a die-hard loyal following that doesn't want to see their Freind (feed) go away. Heck, I still record The West Wing on Bravo.
- Jeff Marmins
Yeah i sure hope so robert. . i really rather not be on facebook.
- RamirezG
Chad, to aid in scanning, you can do a Ctrl-F (or equivalent) and search the current page for "- Paul Buchheit" and/or install my user script that adds a mini avatar to the beginning of each comment http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
Scoble, why do you think FriendFeed won't get sacrificed by Facebook management? Most sensible thing, to me, is to get FriendFeed integrated as a feature of Facebook, then eliminate the individual brand. Fact is, it's Facebook's decision at this point, unless the FriendFeed guys got something in writing to the contrary (which likely didn't happen). Sometimes you've got to go with your...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Jason: it doesn't really matter. I've been on Facebook all morning and they already have a lot of FriendFeed's features. Soon the rest will be moved over too. And the servers won't get turned off anytime soon, based on conversations with FriendFeed and Facebook. So, for now, use it and be happy. Me? I've already been spreading out my social networking time just in case.
- Robert Scoble
and before he disappears into a part of the web that I can't find.....how do you say his last name? Boo-Kite? Buck-heat? Really, I don't know and I wanna know. Just so I know, You know?
- Morgan Haley
Ok trying out friendfeed....any suggestions?
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try streamy!!!
- Alejandra Benevento
I am trying it to. Hope you will follow me.
- Charlotte Frum
Just a request; can you teach me once you've learned, I'm still learning Facebook! I'm good on twitter...lol, love ya DM
- Justin Dee
Had the same idea at nearly the exact same time... Great minds... ;o)
- bethany
I love facebook. Had trouble at first but love it now. The games are fun.
- Charlotte Frum
Make a theme in your settings :) FriendFeed is much better than twitter.
- Sam Guzman
Yeah! Vote and RT for @BodeSunValley for cutest puppy! :) thanks! http://www.cutestdogcompetition.com/vote...
- Lauren Zondag
Well, give it a good go, and you will love the way it all works, compared to twitter, other than that, it may seem a bit of a lot to deal with at first, but there is so many threads of help and advice here, it won't take long to get to grips with ;o) Welcome by the way... leave hubby outside tho lol.. friendfeed may crash! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Okay I'm here too! Seems cool, have you dicovered anything new and different?
- Tracy Ferry
How are Demi? What are you working on?
- Charlotte Frum
Oh, you will see this is way better for conversations.
- Sam Guzman
trying it too it beteer then twitter you can see the feeds instead of waiting great thank you mrs moore
- antony march
It's like chat. Right? can anyone read it or only people following you,etc.?
- Charlotte Frum
Charlotte: Yes, anyone can read it. It's different than chat in that it doesn't dissappear. Conversations are accessible months later and with their own url. Make sense?
- Sam Guzman
oh. i like this more! interaction!
- Keilah Sanchez
me too, i just join this friendfeed right now!
- charlene chua
Oh thanks Sam. That's great! Love it. Hope it catches on.
- Charlotte Frum
demi, lets start a secret chain.... i'll say one of mine and you contine. i borrow cleaning gear from my apartment complex & replace before anyone sees :)
- Keilah Sanchez
Start following people on here... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Uh!!!! Oh nevermind, I just can't...lol
- Bill Heslin
Holden, considering it just posted to her twitter account, it seems like it is.
- Sam Guzman
Holden.. yeah it is. ;o) hopefully more "ordinary" people join.. lol.. no offence to anyone here... :o) :P Just.. you know what I mean ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
hook up your twitter, facebook, blog sites, whatever. This is so much cleaner and neater.
- Kimba Rudd
I'M JUST TRYING FRIENDFEED ITS NICE!?I LIKE IT?
- Rosa
This is great Ashton gets me addicted to Twitter and now Demi gets me hooked on this LOL you guys are great <3 to you both
- Jessica Williams
Hey Rob, I know what you mean. I wish more people would use FF. Too bad it just got bought by Facebook!
- Sam Guzman
like it
- antony march
yeah.. 100% right there Holden, and she gets to keep tweets together ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
This site is great ! I love this. This is going to catch on no troubles
- Jessica Williams
Demi, Welcome to FF and all the new FF'rs in this thread, Check out http://friendfeed.com/friendf... for some great starter tips. Oh and listen to Holden...He is the God of FF :)
- Bill Heslin
Thanks Bill !! checking it out now :)
- Jessica Williams
I thought you would like that Holden :)
- Bill Heslin
i don't get this?
- Tina Haight
what don't you get Tina?
- Rob Sellen :o)
What makes me laugh is that everyone is loving friendfeed all of a sudden, when it's been around for like two years, as awesome as ever. No one knew about it though! I really think it could have been a Twitter killer if the right people joined.
- Sam Guzman
i'm not sure- it doesn't tell me who is who
- Tina Haight
Really this was around 2 years ago?
- Jessica Williams
You are right Sam... it WILL be too... if it stays..IF faceache don't drop it that is ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
is demi seeing this right now? i don't get it. lol
- Tina Haight
she can see this if she is watching it
- Jessica Williams
so it's just like a chat room?
- Tina Haight
tina.. what you mean?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Sam, I think all the tweets that generated from here about the Facebook buyout is bringing more people in now. Unfortunately as we know, it's a little too late..but we are going to hang in there... :)
- Bill Heslin
NO tina.. its like twitter but in REAL time... and threaded.. demi WILL see this.. then go.. WTF?? how did that happen.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
so essentially it is a chat room that mated with twitter?
- Jessica Williams
Bill... I think it was PART of the plan.. why techcrunch broke it.. and why they sold to faceache.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Or she is watching this right now going WTF?? and laughing
- Jessica Williams
This is great i love this lol
- Jessica Williams
i just got here 16 min ago i have demi and ashton since that is how i got here through her twitter
- Jessica Williams
jessica... Tina... sub to me.. oh.. just saw holden post.. and him ;o) then just ask if ya get lost. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Im working on it kk
- Jessica Williams
Real time rocks...Oh shit...I can't keep banging the drum! Or can I? LOL sure I can....
- Bill Heslin
how to sub.. hover over our names... use the pop up..
- Rob Sellen :o)
ok ok im subin im subin !!
- Jessica Williams
how do i find my friend list
- Lynn
now.. click do you ONLY have this post in your home tab?? if so.. you see it as it grows.. i opened this thread in new tab alone.. do that by clicking the TIME stamp under demis pic.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
never heard of this, but I am willing to try new things.
- Nita Wertz Ernst
lynn.. do you sub to anyone yet?
- Rob Sellen :o)
k rob thanks i got it woots i subbed !!!
- Jessica Williams
yes several
- Lynn
but there is no list like twitter
- Lynn
Welcome
- Alejandro
Ok folks, the difference between friend feed and a chat room is that a chatroom doesn't aggregate all your social media activity. friendfeed pulls in your activity from a bunch of social media sites, like youtube, facebook, twitter, etc. but also provides the functionality of twitter and a chat room. So basically it's your social media life on steroids. Very powerful.
- Sam Guzman
Lynn... on the right hand side.. is your friends...
- Rob Sellen :o)
demi?!?! lol
- Tina Haight
thanks rob & Holden I'll try that
- Lynn
Very cool. If you like PostSecret, you should check out www.SecretRegrets.com.
- SecretRegrets
Demi started this great convo and walked away :( lol
- Jessica Williams
I'm still new at this but it's growin on me, thanks for all the help
- Lynn
piss off with the spam crap.... everyone.. you can BLOCK or hide idiots like secretregrets... ironic.. you will regret the spam.. lol.. NO_ONE will see it.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
hmmm
- Sparkles
she could be reading and learning like the rest of us
- Lynn
jessica... yeah.. but wit till she pops in.. she will go..WTF!!!!! how the hell.. hang on.. why are all these people chatting!!! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
didn't facebook purchase or absorb friendfeed??
- Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan
in real time...lol....
- Rob Sellen :o)
lol Rob
- Jessica Williams
no kidding
- Jessica Williams
mercedes.. yes, they did.. two nights ago
- Rob Sellen :o)
how do you block or hide spam
- Lynn
Jessica.. you can also send replies to the tweets to titter from here...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Yup figured that out already thanks :)
- Jessica Williams
lynn.. to block him.. CLICK his name.. block ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Engage other people in conversation. Best advice I can give.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
Lynn. You will not find too much Spam on FF
- Bill Heslin
That then HIDES all of his comments.. thats WHY this place is SPAM free.. and we would like to KEEP it that way.. so use the block with spammers... they will soon go back to...twitter lol ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I really wish we could get a bunch of celebs on here and keep friendfeed from disappearing!
- Sam Guzman
i'm waiting for her- this is my excitement for the night. hah
- Tina Haight
done thanks again this is kinda confusing but fun
- Lynn
EVERYONE who follows her who is on here.. should tweet http://bit.ly/8dSsK << that to her ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
What's the difference between this and twitter??
- Annette Baldwin
real time
- Jessica Williams
And yea i was really hoping to just say hello to her i hope she pops on soon
- Jessica Williams
OOHHH thanks
- Annette Baldwin
annete... apples and pips... lol apples being this place ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
sry holden didnt mean to step on ur toes :)
- Jessica Williams
yep he gone
- Lynn
Im on here now too!
- Samantha Scheideler
anyone gonna TWEET that link to her???
- Rob Sellen :o)
welcome Samantha !
- Jessica Williams
Well, this should be interesting...
- Michael McKean
http://bit.ly/8dSsK <<< tweet it...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Thanks jessica williams
- Samantha Scheideler
:) ^5 to u holden
- Jessica Williams
Blamedrewscancer.com - pls spread the word
- Liza
are there any size limits to the characters typed?
- Lynn
Just in time for the big moving sale! Enjoy like there is no tomorrow!
- Martha
Rob, so when you post to twitter it auto posts to ff or vice versa
- Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan
i have no idea jsut started. i lik this its like twitter but alsso like a chat room in a way.
- Samantha Scheideler
lia.. don't treat this place like twitter... drew USES this place, and that word gets spread ;o) now I #blamedrewscancer for you doing that ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
good I hate getting cut off and I'm no good at the new shorthand
- Lynn
yes merc..
- Rob Sellen :o)
GREAT - @drew is on here, but I am spreading the word as long as he is not on the thread. I #blamedrewscancer that he is missing this.
- Liza
huh?
- Tina Haight
rob s and holden !got it thanks - what else is there to know?
- Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan
No i havent only Demi Moore. I literally just started this im learning how to use it still.
- Samantha Scheideler
I don't believe it is Demi.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
don't believe what is demi? her twitter?
- Tina Haight
Robert: it posted to her twitter account..
- Sam Guzman
this is Demi :)
- Jessica Williams
lots merc... just have a look around.. you can create list of people here.. import stuff.. click your settings under your name on the top right.. have a PEEK ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Either Demi is reading the FF beginners group, or she just hasn't figured out how to read FF yet, and doesn't see all this wonderful Real time conversation that can't happen on Twitter..But anyway, back to my regular feed have fun everyone. Any questions...Just ask Holden LOL
- Bill Heslin
it is her.... i knowe for a fact
- Samantha Scheideler
OK I believe! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
She brought us all here from Twitter
- Jessica Williams
and then abandoned us. haha
- Tina Haight
ha.. Robert is.. wrong.. (for once he would argue) ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I know :( but im sure she had a reason i imagine she is a busy woman
- Jessica Williams
The biggest user on FF
- Sam Guzman
will do!
- Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan
lol i know right. just like ashton jsut posted on twitter and i responded to somthing he aid and nothig yet
- Samantha Scheideler
Uhm, where is the Friendfeed crew - wish they would chime in since they got the payday.
- Liza
Holden... don't tell them that... its Alex... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I just had a great dinner in San Antonio
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
liza... they are all users here...
- Rob Sellen :o)
oops sorry for all the typos i have acrylics on
- Samantha Scheideler
What you have then Robert?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Demi, the major difference to me is tha FF is more engaging; if you play along. Meaning, don't post something and then not interact with other users. Go back to Twitter if you don't want to make an effort.
- Chad Gesser
from BuddyFeed
http://bit.ly/8dSsK <<< post that to her on twitter
- Rob Sellen :o)
Aww Chad that wasnt nice at all
- Jessica Williams
Agreed Jessica...Chad Boo!!!! :) It takes time to get it...give her a chance..
- Bill Heslin
Ya and if she is sitting back watching trying to figure out whens a good time to say something to us all that isnt going to make her want to talk
- Jessica Williams
Robert, do you think we can save FF???
- Sam Guzman
Chad - that is wrong - I got that SO many times - you guys never do it to girls
- Liza
Welcome!
- Stephan Miller
ignore ppl who say go back to Twitter
- Liza
Chad.. please don't go down that road.. a few have done it..I have made mistakes here before.. they stick... look at the spammer earlier in this thread.. ;o) CLICK the timestamp under demi's name here and open this thread in its own tab ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
yayy, demi B-) ff is the place for all the action.
- Gtp19
liza... lol.. you start using this place, and you won't want to go to twitter so much ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I am tired of ppl saying go back to Twitter - get over yourself or I will say go back to atari
- Liza
Later Holden...
- Bill Heslin
yep spammers don't last round here
- Lynn
Yes, try Streamy.....
- Janet Fouts
I'm leaving too. I hope Demi comes back and sees how fun FF can be. Bye everyone!
- Sam Guzman
thanks Holden
- Lynn
and to do that use the link in the top bar on this page... email is direct too.. ;o) yeah you can post a DM from your email too.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
what is streamy?
- Tina Haight
LIZA.. can I have a go on your atari? :P
- Rob Sellen :o)
tina.. http://streamy.com ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
sounds dirty, lol
- Tina Haight
Rob - you can,but you have not been an ass to me.
- Liza
Tina - dirty is fun.
- Liza
Geeks will not tell you go to Twitter if you are dirty.
- Liza
http://bit.ly/8dSsK << will as MANY of you tweet that to Demi.... :o) get her over here to see it n action... while you are all busy here
- Rob Sellen :o)
lol Liza.. thanks... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
i don't know, rob, my husband and friends make fun of me when i tweet @ celebrities. hhaha
- Tina Haight
LOOK at all this thread... how many comments... in less than 45 mins...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Everyone makes fun of me, ignore it
- Liza
Tina.. we just want to OPEN her eyes.... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Greetings new FriendFeed users. Welcome to the playground.
- Robert Kenney
WTH, Demi might as well save friendfeed from closing.. bring back demi.
- Gtp19
Hey Demi..I just signed up for FriendFeed the other night. Not sure what to think about it either... hmmm
- Melisa
so.. who needs people subbing to them???? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Robert, I don't either.
- Martha
so how do I tweet it to her from here?
- Lynn
Its quite funny either way. True or not.
- Matt G
go to your home page... post it in the comments.. with your @mrsaplusk too.. click the CC to twitter . post ;o) as long as you have added your twitter username here that is...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Beginners can find help here: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and feel free to ask anyone!
- Robert Kenney
I don't know, just gonna feel it out.....
- Brenda Erdman Velasquez
done but I had to do it from tweetdeck, I will keep workin on this though
- Lynn
Think of it as the place where all of your online stuff goes. You see the stuff, say, that your friends on Twitter are liking on YouTube. You can then talk about it, favorite it, etc. just like you do on Facebook. It's a mashup of all of your Web activity in one place.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Lynn... you will like it here, you will notice whenever anything gets commented on, or liked, it jumps to the top of the page...
- Rob Sellen :o)
The key to FriendFeed is following me. :)
- Andrew
She'll never see this but I just have to comment knowing that I interacted with Demi Moore. ;)
- Keith - @tsudo
It's amazing that with all of Demi's followers that she doesn't get more people over here. I'm noticing a trend: not many people engage on Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
ahh that is why nothing is in the order it was posted in
- Lynn
Be sure to add the bookmarklet to your browser. Makes posting to FriendFeed much easier.
- Robert Kenney
It's nice to see so many new people joining up; welcome to everyone! I was going to suggest some of you check out the FriendFeed for Beginners group but I see someone else has already done that. Otherwise, the best suggestion I can offer you all is to do a search for some things that interests you and follow the people that posted them.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Subscribe to Holden.
- Gus
Robert..I have noticed that on twitter they tend to struggle..... celebs would be in the element on here..
- Rob Sellen :o)
thanks for that Andrew I knew there was a right way to do this haha
- Lynn
Well I apologize to those that took offense to my initial comment. That's just my take: show me some substance. Welcome Demi!
- Chad Gesser
from BuddyFeed
http://bit.ly/8dSsK <<< IF more of you tweeted that to her with @herusername she may take notice...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Nice to see her here. Yet in this service, celebrities need to participate on the conversation which is what makes this different than Twitter.
- Manuel Mas
It would be deliciously ironic if the buyout that everyone was worried about was the making of FF!
- Matt G
Try not to get all caught up in out techno-babble, but a lot of learning here.
- professor daddyo
Everyone's new at some point. The more the better.
- Robert Kenney
lol.. chad.. the point is.. she probably not come back since posting.. but she will do.. and THEN realise what she missed..
- Rob Sellen :o)
Holden: come now. She has 1.7 million followers. This place should be going absolutely crazy if they were very engaged.
- Robert Scoble
Steve: that's what I meant to say! lol
- Chad Gesser
from BuddyFeed
oh demi- it would make my night if you said something on here to us. :)
- Tina Haight
I like old people.
- Michael McKean
I agree.. but then, how many actually click her links... not many i bet.
- Rob Sellen :o)
hmmm. can't wait here all night, demi!
- Tina Haight
Scoble: engage, engage, engage. That to me is the point, which is very attractive about FF. Might I add connection?
- Chad Gesser
from BuddyFeed
start adding all your other social accounts (if you have any), that's the real kick to friendfeed (at least for me), an all in one feed
- Gubatron
welcome chad, we like that much better
- Lynn
Well I was hoping she would talk with us. Oh well.
- Ben Hanten
Robert Scoble: Most Tweets aren't very... engaging! :)
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
anyone watch big brother?
- Tina Haight
nope hells kitchen
- Lynn
NO.. not that shit bb.. not on here lol
- Rob Sellen :o)
oh i love hells kitchen too
- Tina Haight
leave big brother on twitter eh... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I saw that Rob :)
- Mattb4rd
haha! but it's such a great show. and i am still excited about tonight's show. ;)
- Tina Haight
welcome. where is ashton? :P
- Oğuz Serdar
we don't need bb crap here .. I get away from tv and twitter to escape it!!!
- Rob Sellen :o)
Demi just posted to twitter I tried to tell her we were all waiting for her but...
- Lynn
we don't need ashton either ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
getting a little testie arent we
- Lynn
Ashton is here http://friendfeed.com/theateam
- Matt G
I think they come as a set
- Lynn
lol
- Lynn
no... I am just sayng.. both in one night would crash the place lol... if they started using it that is...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Ashton was on the Dan Patrick Show today and was hilarious. Gained a bunch of new respect for him.
- Ben Hanten
They could not crash FF....FF FTW....
- Bill Heslin
haha they do generate a bit of traffic
- Lynn
Ashton's FF account is a twitter dump...no engagement...Damn..I got sucked back into this conversation again...lol
- Bill Heslin
I didn't like the way he did things at twitter at all... told him as much too..
- Rob Sellen :o)
i'm not gonna lie- i'm a pretty big deal too.
- Tina Haight
ok i'm lying.
- Tina Haight
ark at you tina... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
;) i DO have 88 followers on twitter. on my way to the million mark
- Tina Haight
wow.. :o) doing good... follow that many on here tonight and see what the power of this place is like ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I never had heard of it before but I'm trying now. Is it fairly new?
- Barry Winters
from iPhone
lol
- Lynn
barry.. no... not so new..as much as sold..lol ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
suggestions? Yeah start chatting back while you still just have 175 subscribers :D
- BairdWilliamson
Welcome to all the new visitors. Barry, this is about 18 months old, but lots of new features were turned on recently.
- Robert Scoble
alright- i am giving up hope on demi coming. have been staring at a computer screen all day and night for work.
- Tina Haight
night everyone!
- Tina Haight
night nice chatting
- Lynn
What?! The Scobelizer is a doubter as well? Tack it on to the list...
- iamkhayyam
Yeah, welcome to all... :o) any problems you only have to ask..ask ANYONE lol ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm not a doubter anymore! :-)
- Robert Scoble
nice meeting you tina.. night. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Haha! There you go... she's Verified :)
- iamkhayyam
make a group, add all your favorite sites.
- Tyson
What do you mean, Demi, "any suggestions?" What are you looking for? And why aren't you engaging, er, talking with us here?
- Robert Scoble
lmao..... good one robert.. shame she missed it happen in real time lol :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
lol
- Gtp19
Hi Demi.You're a little late to the party. We are all worried they are going to shut us out of this nice little cozy club called Friendfeed and lead us back to the shark-infested waters of Facebook. We are still makin' hay while the sun shines. :-)
- Karma Martell
Well, if she's turned off real-time she might not even be seeing the comments yet, Robert. Or perhaps she made the post and left for dinner (west coast and all) and will check back later.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
...cool! welcome to FF. did you beat Ashton here?
- .LAG liked that
this is like a really really private party with only 198 following on friendfeed...Demi leave the party already?
- Rex Gradeless
This is just too cool.
- Sherrie Belken
http://bit.ly/8dSsK << RT that in reply to her... see if she gets to see it at least ONE bloody time lol...
- Rob Sellen :o)
It seems she doesn't care the comments.
- Oğuz Serdar
perhaps just not aware they are here ...
- Tom Horn
Engaging?! Seriously Scoble? Haha... that's a funny one. One msg on FriendFeed and then she's off for some Kabbalah teachings.
- iamkhayyam
probably Demi doesn like to be part of comments, rather she likes to make the headlines, i mean the posts, lol :D
- Gtp19
+1 Robert
- Robert Kenney
ok gettin mean now gotta go
- Lynn
LoL Hi Demi... Welcome to the FF Mob! Now go and spread some hate </extremesarcasm>
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Lynn: see ya, sorry about the meanness. But it would be nice to see Demi actually chat for a few minutes so she could get a sense of the power of friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Demi: I see you're here. And welcome to all the new people on FriendFeed. I'd like to see you (and Ashton) take part in the conversations here. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
aggreed but bein mean isn't gonna make it happen
- Lynn
Hahah! ++1000 tehKenny
- Bill Heslin
Maybe she is too awestruck at the magnificence of friendfeed to type. I am imagining her sitting there frozen with her mouth hanging open watching all of this going on.
- April Russo (app103)
yes, we would love to have Demi here.. long live friendfeed... i mean until its shut down!!
- Gtp19
Well, you're about to get a billion responses of course, but you should hook up feeds from other sites you use too, not just Twitter. Maybe a YouTube channel too? Or Flickr?
- Ciaoenrico
while wondering why twitter just..sits there lol
- Rob Sellen :o)
April: That makes sense
- Matt G
Welcome indeed. You should add more of your feeds to your FF account
- Vinko
sub to some of the others here in this thread.. you all get to learn this place together then...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Maybe she's thinking how on earth she's meant to keep up with the comments, posting from her blackberry/iphone/othermobiledevice :P
- 1x29
@April That could be it. FF in Helvetica mode is hypnotic ...
- Tom Horn
Thanks for that @iconic88 :) Always a good reminder... #love is all there is :)
- iamkhayyam
Welcome to FF!
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
lol @ Tom
- Gtp19
Thank you iconic88
- Sherrie Belken
FF in any mode is hypnotic. I haven't been able to pull myself away for many months.
- April Russo (app103)
OK, predictions on how many comments this post will top out at? I'm going for 2,000.
- 1x29
Hmm .. no , I think we are done. This is probably the last one ...
- Tom Horn
Now everyone isl just staring waiting for Demi to comment :p
- Gary Gannon
More points if you guess the number of posts before Demi makes a comment :)
- 1x29
lol
- Sherrie Belken
nah...plenty more will come later when everyone else sees it in best of day.
- April Russo (app103)
and if she happens to engage it'll explode
- Gary Gannon
yeah, its jus warming up... plenty more to come.
- Gtp19
http://bit.ly/8dSsK << could tweet her that link.. its this THREAD .. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Demi this is my first time trying this after you. What is the difference between this and twitter? How did u find this?....Kim Goedde
- Kim Goedde
Kim: Look through the thread. There's lots of advice.
- Christopher A Carr
Kim, Demi hasn't been back on the thread to respond yet. I can't speak for her, but for me the biggest difference between FF and Twitter is the organization. If you send out a tweet you have to watch for @replies in response to that tweet, and they're kind of easy to miss. On FF when you make a post, all the replies to it are lined up underneath and it's much easier to follow (and take part) in the conversation.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina...You are one of the best Ambassadors for FF..Well said
- Bill Heslin
That's the whole deal Tina
- Sherrie Belken
Well, that's a big part of it Sherrie. The inclusion of media is another big selling point (for me, at least). Here people can include images, files, audio, or video on their posts and I can see/hear it here. On Twitter there's always a clickthrough, an extra tab or window, etc... Perhaps I'm lazy, but I like being able to interact with it all in one spot =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Demi-are you getting paid to promote these sites? I have posted comments now and again and have never got 1 response from you......Kim Goedde
- Kim Goedde
Yes, I see posts that include the pics from my twitter account. Very cool.
- Sherrie Belken
PJ WRONG.. whatever Scoble says is the right thing for HIM to do... and it may work for you, or not.. just use the place and find you own rhythm here. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Kim... why does THAT bother you.... do you think you could repsond to all those 1.7 million odd? THAT is why we are trying to say to her here... you should see this thread.. but she hasn't yet been back it seems... NO-ONE owes you a reply.. we learn that the hard way ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
250+ subscribers and counting. I'm holding off for now, even if all the rest of the geeks are subscribing. Not following her on Twitter. Demi, you'd better give me a good reason to subscribe. *switches to wait & see mode*
- Dennis Jernberg
Robert:Same thing here as on Twitter. Only a "handful" of "followers/subscribers" engage.
- Dana Fosburgh
My one suggestion to you, since FriendFeed will probably be a high traffic place for you - check out Robert Scoble (scobleizer) and see how he handles high volume.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
i like this so far..
- wendy smith
A good suggestion
- Sherrie Belken
Learn from the master. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
'Crickets'
- Robert Kenney
sheesh... her subs are crap... subbing mainly to people who never use the place???
- Rob Sellen :o)
That was just imported
- Sherrie Belken
Yeah. When you join FF, it imports your Twitter follows. That's why I have over 120 subscriptions when I have only 75 subscribers: people on Twitter join, and I subscribe to them automagically.
- Dennis Jernberg
was also useless lol ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Hey Demi, welcome to Friend Feed. Hope all is well with you and those you love. Think about adding Robert Scoble to your Friend Feed list. He is the leading expert on all things Friend Feed, and usually is the first to give us heads up when something new is coming down the pike. Take care of you! =)
- SashaKane
If you use Firefox, download Yoono --a Firefox add-on that allows you to see Twitter, Facebook, Friendfeed in Firefox, and gives a central place where all can be updated simultaneously.
- Danny Groveman
thats what I wanted
- Sherrie Belken
Can be overwhelmed by Scobles feed at times..not ideal for a new user..
- Rob Sellen :o)
Hi. Welcome to FriendFeed.
- Steven Perez
DYDMoore than steve perez. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Welcome to FriendFeed, Demi! I will definitely be sure to subscribe to you here!
- Thomas Ward
comment, like, share!
- Sean Oliver
+1 Sean ...that's really FF in a nuthsell!
- .LAG liked that
never take it too seriously, always keep a sense of humor with FriendFeed
- sofarsoShawn
started using friendfeed recently. i love the imaginary friends feature
- Patricio Rocha
*waves Link FF with Tumblr ...I love pictures in my feeds. PEACE!
- Rich Weaver
Hi!! :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
This is post is why FriendFeed had to sell their goods Facebook. I am now convinced. Geek mob rule.
- Alex C. Williams
Hello Demi ❤ Glad to see you here!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I honestly only use FF to compile all my sites, almost never for discussions
- Allison Warnock
what a strange turn of events considering the situation at hand..a bit late. but better late than never i guess. Welcome to all the new users.
- Carlos Ayala
Glad to see you are here Demi, It's a pleasure.
- Sherrie Belken
Suggestions... Well, stop being cool about it and write something!..
- Timsah memet
just play around D and you'll figure it out
- Thomas Power
She still not been back then??
- Rob Sellen :o)
ok, i'm trying it too. just hope she doesn't try jumping off a bridge or i'm screwed
- Laurel howard
I' m new and trying this too. I see your comments from Twitter on this thing too, are they linked?-confused : (
- Rose
Glad to have you both join us, Laurel and Rose =) Rose, Demi is importing her Twitter stream into FriendFeed, that's why you see her Twitter items here. When you comment on one of her Twitter items here, there's a checkbox that will allow you to send that comment to her on Twitter as an @reply.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
its like when kawasaki popped in for a single conversation last month. must be hard to deal whe you get so many replies
- Robert Higgins
So many replies that aren't very welcoming don't help matters either.
- pea
In reality all we've gained by Demi Moore's brief appearance is a number of celebrity stalkers hoping to cut her off at one more cyber pass and get the one reply they're living their lives for. The best demonstration yet of Scobles 'who you follow, defines you'?
- 1x29
demi! we love you. just showed my daughters your 1986 classic movie about last night. they fell in love with you as i did!
- JNez
Has Scoble ever had 385 comments here? What's the record? ;O
- Rob Schieber
Yes, Scoble has had 385 comments on FF. His post just this week re: FF geeks got over 1200.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Start by subbing to the peeps who comment on this thread.
- Thom Kennon
Scoble has a thread from this week re FF addicts that i think has 1500 comments and counting.
- Thom Kennon
yeah @Robert Higgins, Kawasaki kindasorta just disappeared pretty quickly didn't he?...
- Thom Kennon
a few said he would tho... no surprise to see them ignoring the threads... daft really, why bother even starting one....
- Rob Sellen :o)
Like, share, follow and be merry. Welcome.
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
FF can be fun, emotional, crazy, and always entertaining. Just speak up when you see something interesting. Like Twitter, but more rounded. And don't mind the doom and gloom chatter that wanders around... some folks just don't handle change well. :D Welcome...
- Bette Cooper
I've had lots of threads more than 385. Here's a list: http://friendfeed.com/search... -- this is why the search here rocks. Click on "Advanced Search" and you can find answers to all these kinds of questions.
- Robert Scoble
Why can't you like a comment on FF? I hereby like that comment.
- Amy℠
we say +1 amy ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
i dont get this
- Lin Hill
bye
- Lin Hill
bye
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Do you have any specific questions, Lin?
- Christopher A Carr
i dont know how to do this
- Lin Hill
You can sort of think of it as Twitter + a searchable, multimedia chatroom, that aggregates your web activity. You can have FF pull in your Youtube favorites, Amazon wish list, etc...
- Christopher A Carr
oh right.. maybe i should try again 2morrow when i havent had a drink, cause i dont get that at all
- Lin Hill
Try the friendfeed bookmarklet: http://friendfeed.com/share... - There's a short video tutorial.
- Christopher A Carr
ok thanks, i will try that
- Lin Hill
Lin, what exactly would you like to do on FriendFeed? Are you just wanting to aggregate your items from around the internet, have conversations with other people, etc? There are lots of different ways to use FriendFeed depending on what you'd like to get out of it =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Interesting to see what this thread has become, especially since Demi Moore has not checked back into FriendFeed since posting this.
- Justin Korn
ummm not sure what i want, think maybe i should leave quietly by back door
- Lin Hill
Lin: How do you use Twitter?
- Christopher A Carr
just follow people and comment now and then, thats all
- Lin Hill
Lin: I ask, because you are essentially tweeting with multiple people right now, without having to use @...
- Christopher A Carr
FF has *really* good search. Look for content that interests you. Comment and like, and people will subscribe to you...
- Christopher A Carr
Nah, leaving's not necessary Lin. Especially if you've had a drink: Friday nights on FriendFeed can be fun! If you'd like to see what FriendFeed looks like to be, check http://friendfeed.com/isthiss... That page is what FriendFeed looks like to me because of the people I follow (which is a lot, so you might want to pause it). I use FF to have fun and find good conversations. Other people use it for research, or business, or just to aggregate their material online.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
well, this is the most i`ve been tweeted to since i started, i dont feel invisible anymore!
- Lin Hill
Don't just import your Twitter like that ditz, Kim Kardashion. But do import what you feel and read and participate in posts. The key thing is participation on here from teaching something to learning something.
- Outsanity
whos kim k
- Lin Hill
Taking a look at your profile, I see that you're only following 12 people and not really commenting/liking all that much. That's probably why you're not getting a lot of interaction. Find some people that are interesting and interact with them on their posts. Once you start having conversations with people on their material, they get interested in what you have to say and are more likely to follow you back.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Imagine if Twitter included video and pictures in Tweets, and provided you with a threaded conversation to discuss your tweets... well, that's what you have here -- and that's just the beginning.
- Christopher A Carr
i didnt realise i even had 12, where did you find that out?
- Lin Hill
Has Demi checked back with us yet?? It will never be too late.
- Amani
Click on your name in the upper right hand corner, Lin.
- Christopher A Carr
it sounds good, i will keep at it 'practise makes perfect' and all that
- Lin Hill
That's exactly it, Lin =) Let us know if you have any other questions: it can be kind of confusing when you first get going...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
And can you imagine people helping you like this on Twitter? ;-)
- Christopher A Carr
Oh, and try out different themes..
- Christopher A Carr
half the people i`m subscribed too i didnt even choose!! whats that about??
- Lin Hill
Never drink and FriendFeed at the same time
- Outsanity
i didnt subscribe to red nose day!!
- Lin Hill
Do you follow them on Twitter?
- Christopher A Carr
not all of them, just a few
- Lin Hill
Did you sign up to FriendFeed with your Twitter credentials, Lin? If so, it will subscribe you to the people you follow on Twitter that are on Friendfeed. It's not a big deal, really: all you do is hover over their name and click 'unsubscribe' if you don't want them.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
ok, thanks everyone, i`ll subscribe to all of you instead
- Lin Hill
This one post may beat the longest post by Robert Scoble
- Outsanity
You kidding. The record is well beyond 1,500 comments....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
7k if I recall. wait! why am I commenting on this? .p
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
خانم دمی مور استریپ تیز دو رو کی بازی میکنید ؟؟
- مـــــــــمد
Haha. Funny Franc. Thats what I thought when I wrote my comment ...
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
I doubt she'll participate in this post now
- Mac Sharp
Welcome!
- Andrea Contino
friendfeed is now part of facebook :)
- gareth【ツ】
Welcome, where is Ashton xD?
- Francisco Espinoza
from BuddyFeed
FriendFeed has gone mainstream :o
- Nicholas James
@Nicholas And soon, Friendfeed will go offline!
- Ethan
Bye FF office...
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What happened to the 'd'? Were you planning a paid version called Friendfee 10cents a subscription. lol
- Jimminy Fuller
This picture makes me sad =(
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
That is so not cool. I didn't get to visit yet.
- Josh Haley
Sigh.
- Louis Gray
Makes me sad too.
- Robert Scoble
With Josh here.... Feel like I missed a chapter of history. Serious bummer
- Charlie Anzman
This sucks!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
So do you guys get to sit together at the Facebook headquarters, or do you have different home rooms?
- Mark Trapp
The 'd' is hidden behind an office that is jutting out from the wall. (it's the same color as the wall)
- Dan Hsiao
Thanks, Dan. Would never had noticed that the office was protruding if you hadn't mentioned it.
- Jimminy Fuller
:( Looked like a fun place to work!
- Tim Hoeck
I doubt there is a Lego corner at FB. #oohgirl
- Josh Haley
Who get's the sign? me me me
- Sean Montgomery
Are those hoola-hoops?
- Hunt
Hunt, yes. And I don't know if anyone remembers how they got here.
- Dan Hsiao
:(
- Fa La La La Lindsay
It's all happening so fast. *wahhhh!*
- April Buchheit
Wow. Not letting the body cool, are they?
- WorldofHiglet
DO ANYBODY NO WHERE OFFICE IS
- anna sauce
I'm glad I got to visit the FF office. No more dollar on the floor eh?
- AJ Kohn
Are those the two Friendfeed servers? Are we already on FB servers? ;-)
- Rutger Blom
This dashes my hopes that FB will allow FF to exist for a while. :-( FB is moving quickly...
- Jason Huebel
What's going to happen to the pool table?
- Gabe
I'm thinkin' if FF goes away ... A flight to the coast ... and a (friendly) knock on Paul and April's door ... ??!! I have no probs with Facebook, but you guys already have a few hundred users in re-hab! :)
- Charlie Anzman
The pool table will go to FBHQ.
- April Buchheit
It's going to FB Gabe, as is the pink bike.
- Paul Buchheit
this is where it all happen(ed)
- anna sauce
Who got the $1 on the floor?
- Robert Scoble
you guys have kept the ff service tight from day one: efficient code, optimized servers, resilient backend code, outstanding BOSHiness and obviously on-the-ball ops. No glaring, dumb startup downtime, lost data or huge blog posts explaining how you're sorry about x, y or z screw-up, and will learn from this experience and you have a 10 step plan to avoid screwing-up again and crap about...
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- mike
Goodnight and goodluck! Enjoy the new digs! Don't forget us!
- Jay Farmington
Robert, I took my $1 back and plan to bring it with me to Facebook. :)
- Dan Hsiao
Here's the $1 on the floor. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
Oh my. This is sad.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from iPhone
I was worried about the pool table .... There's still time ... whew! (Bike Rack?)
- Charlie Anzman
Oh, so Audrey didn't get the dollar? http://friendfeed.com/rochell...
- Rochelle
:(
- Benjamin Golub
Hah!
- Akiva Moskovitz
:(
- Amit Morson
:(
- joey
Mike, well said!
- Rutger Blom
from email
*sigh*
- Pınar Yanardağ
Have a good move and send us some pictures of the new place!
- John μller
:-(
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
omg. they fired how many of you guys?
- siniradam
I think I'm going to cry...again.
- Anne Bouey
*cries*
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
that solo peep in the background made me teary eyed, :(
- chaz2b
my lovely ross left the ff ~_~
- 阿石
:-( *cries*
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
*sigh*
- Simon Wicks
from iPhone
new office new life ! congrat!
- muratt
this photo feel me *really* sad :-(
- Emanuele Pajoro / emaaaa
what a sorry sight... :-(
- Andrew Terry
damn that's sad to see...
- Ritu
:(
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
:(
- Peter Kruit
Good luck with the moving and happy for you guys for your next chapter. You might be able to get me back to Facebook.. not yet though.. ;)
- Jaap Willem
It's always sad when a smaller, more cooler company joins a larger one :(
- Ankit Ahuja
do not like. :(
- Yolanda
That's really fast. Let's hope that you all can make a big difference at Facebook :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Wow, that was staggeringly quick. We hope that your new home at Facebook is a good one.
- 3Cinteractive, L.L.C.
from twhirl
Hope you guys can continue the open houses over at Facebook. Those were great fun.
- Hutch Carpenter
Wait. So facebook bought friendfeed. I thought it was the other way around. :) *********************************** Sent from my wireless device ***********************************
- Sean Montgomery
from email
Sad. :(
- Nate Pilling
:(
- Steven Perez
from Android
:(
- James Myatt
So long and that thanks for the fish.....
- Gordon Joly
The new FeedFace userability will be awesome - good times ahead!!
- tony
Wow....that was fast. I know everybody seems sad but it'll be alright. Have a great move and don't forget to take all the toilet paper and light bulbs on your way out.
- suzanne
Leaving already? :(
- Tyson Key
Where will all the Lego go? Enquiring minds want to know... ;)
- Tyson Key
You could put the FriendFeed banner on eBay, if nobody at Facebook wants it...
- Tyson Key
Damn. Don't let the door slam behind you. No time wasted there at all.
- Amy℠
Packing up the office for our move to FB headquarters... So many memories in this place.
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*sniff*
- Bill Heslin
C'est la vie Friendfeed HQ
- Bryan Lee
*sniff sniff* :'(
- CannonGod
:'(
- April Buchheit
:(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
- AJ Batac
Is there going to be a Lego room at the new FF/FB HQ?
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
You guys are gonna be the little fish in the big pond :(
- Bryan Lee
Too sad...
- Luka
:(
- Anne Bouey
:(
- Shannon Jiménez
Ooh! I see the bouquet of flowers I sent to Ana. It turned out nice.
- April Buchheit
Moving day is always a bit bittersweet.
- Dan Hsiao
This *is* pretty surreal. I usually have a month or more to mentally prepare for a move.
- Kevin Fox
Bryan, they are going to be the little fish that clean up that Big Pond and make a free flowing Sea. *crosses fingers* :)
- Bill Heslin
April, Ana's OOTO, but if she were here right now she'd tell you how much she liked the flowers. They're awesome.
- Kevin Fox
Ana DM'd me. Thanks, Kevin! :)
- April Buchheit
Bill: One can always dream
- Bryan Lee
you guys are amazing!!
- victed
That was fast.
- Robert Kenney
Who's gonna take that office over?
- David Schmidt
That is sad. Good luck @ FB. Hopefully, the entire team sits together!
- Shane
Make sure you don't unplug the servers! K? LOL
- Bill Heslin
Bill, they're in the CLOUD. CLOUD9.
- AJ Batac
Good luck ff team
- Nimaa
:(
- OnuRC
What happens to the old place?
- τorƍue
Don't forget to turn off the lights as you leave, and good luck at Facebook
- Kim Landwehr
Make sure to play a big game of broom ball in the empty office!
- Stephen Mack
Job well done, good luck at FB. n btw, thanks for creating such a great product..
- Gtp19
Good luck with everything af Facebook.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
Good luck and keep up the great work!
- Moushumi Kabir
Paul, will you continue wearing your Google shirt at FB? :)
- Sebastian Kanthak
You guys should use the empty office to bone up on your RipStik skills. I hear they're all the rage at Facebook. http://www.ripstikusa.com/
- Jason Kincaid
Hmmm...in this day and age you'd think you'd be able to work remotely :P
- 1x29
Must be weird. But I think you'll soon feel right at home. In any case, if I was a regular Facebook employee (other than - say - MZ himself) I'd be in awe. :) (with which I mean that any regular facebook employees who are NOT in awe to see you are plain dumb - just tell them that I said that :P)
- Meryn Stol
I noted Paul's Google shirt as well. I have that one. (And some FriendFeed shirts) So... gang? Facebook shirts are a must!
- Louis Gray
Best technology acquisition Facebook has EVER gotten! We're expecting more greatness - good luck!
- Mike Koss
Good luck at Facebook. I hope you can do great things there.
- Alex Hellstrom
Alex, no doubt about that. Facebook will be in good hands.
- AJ Batac
Wow, things move fast.
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
You were supposed to fill up all those chairs before moving…
- Amit Patel
I'm tearing up. This really makes me sad.
- Anne Bouey
A little office is always better than big headquarters.. Good luck for all..
- Fırat DEMİREL
What a good work you have done there ...
- papachan
I hope fb allows pinata cams.
- Ginger Makela Riker
Guys,just keep it real....
- Chad Gesser
from BuddyFeed
take tons of pictures. They'll be fun to watch in the future.
- lelapin
Ooh.. FB really can't wait for you guys to join them. =)
- Winston Teo
Waaaaaah. :(...... This is all happening way too fast!! Yikes!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
donkey balls, man.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
:((((
- Arda Çetin
I think this is the most the team has posted on FF as a group, ever. The veil of secrecy is off? Or you're not as busy?
- anna sauce
always keep the eye on you，add oil!
- 阿石
:-( *cries*
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Have fun!
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
you did it Bret ;) Good Luck
- fatih (tish-o)
Good luck, folks; thanks for giving us such a great platform. Now, go and weave your magic at Facebook!
- Andrew Terry
bret: great memories indeed - i guess things are moving really fast. hope the new place is just as good as this one
- goutham
i can see the my former desk in this pic :)
- goutham
:(
- Peter Kruit
i bet it looks just like the old place!
- Thom Kennon
50 million reduces the sting of any move!
- Tony C
You will never have the fun you had in here. But that's the nature and beauty of progress. Keep up the good work. Glad you made it up to here.
- M. Serdar Kuzuloglu
from Android
Doh!
- Ozkan Altuner
good luck at new office.
- Tanaydin Sirin
Keep doing great things and please make FB a better place! Good luck!
- Alfonso Pace
from iPhone
:(((((((((((((
- Roberto Bonini
Good luck @ FB!
- Dwayne Watson
well done guys great job big hug from London
- Thomas Power
good luck
- nick tadd
And so many friendfeeders' memories.
- Federico Bolsoman
from iPhone
Good luck guys.
- Emanuele Guicciardi
all the best, good luck, enjoy the success and the money :)
- onderkiremitci
Hope you guys can continue the open houses over at Facebook. Those were great fun.
- Hutch Carpenter
Bret: With so many people fearing the worst about FriendFeeds long term future, I'm guessing there's NO WAY you will tell us here, now, if we are wasting our time carrying on as FriendFeed users? ....I'm not gonna get an answer am I
- Jim Connolly
Nope
- Roberto Bonini
Hey, give the guy time. He genuinely cares about the community here - ya never know.
- Jim Connolly
I hope that the FriendFeeders take over Facebook, kick Zuckerberg, and creates the Total FriendFeed! :p
- Patrik Johansson
:(( Good luck there!
- Nia
Yes, good luck. Congratulations on your phenomenal work and success!
- Rob Schieber
Aww, they're throwing you folks out, already? :/
- Tyson Key
+1000 Patrik
- Tyson Key
*****
- Ahmet Koldaguc
Playing around with Posty. Hmm. This looks interesting. Could fill a niche until Google Wave is out. http://http:/... - http://http:/...
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Playing around with Posty. Hmm. This looks interesting. Could fill a niche until Google Wave is out. http://http:/...
funkyboy liked this
"I was in the pub yesterday when I suddenly realized I desperately needed to fart. The music was really, really loud, so I timed my farts with the beat. After a couple of songs, I started to feel better. I finished my pint and noticed that everybody was staring at me. Then I suddenly remembered that I was listening to my iPod."
Joe Dawson, Baard @ Pixum, Kristen and 126 other people liked this
no... why would you go to a pub to listen to your ipod?
- Caroline
Caroline, this was a joke someone sent to me. ;)
- Derrick
HAHAHAHAHA
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
wasn't fased by the farting... just the ipoding..
- Caroline
LOVE IT
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
OMG...Hahahaha! too funny
- Bill Heslin
I saw this on a pregnancy board, but the woman was at the gym (which would make more sense about using an iPod). Funny :).
- Jaclyn
Haha... this is the 2nd time I saw this today... lol
- Kevin Whalen
i like your beat. your beat is nice.
- Trish Haley
LOL!!!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
WHAT? LOL! No...LOL!
- Anna Lynn M.
Pharters are phunny!
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Awesome! Probably too funny for the #badjokememe , but it looks like I hashtagged it anyway. :-D
- Ladybug Heather
Reminds me of a joke about someone who goes to the doctor complaining of their silent but foul-smelling farts. The doctor sends her for a hearing test.
- Slappy Line
So where do you share your playlist online? I need music that helps me smell better.
- Bernie Goldbach
Moar fart jokez pls.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
I read that one but it was on a bus.
- MicahBear78
LMFAO
- Cheryl
I LOL´d.
- Jens Christian Freund
I bet they could smell the music lol
- David Gross
from f2p
Must remember not to do this!.
- Gordon Herd
I am literally ROFL. Wow. Good stuff ~ *slaps knee*
- Harold Cabezas
verynice! :-)
- Tofu De la Moore
from BuddyFeed
Well, it's got a nice beat to it but I don't think I want to dance to it.
- CAJ, somewhere else
LMAO, Derrick now that's to funny!!!
- YoYo_P
I do that all the time
- Cathleen Rittereiser
O.M.G. >.<
- Jason Huebel
LOL
- Imabug
Haha!
- Nicholas James
aha ha!!!
- Rick Cogley
nothing like a good fart joke lol
- David Gross
from email
OMFG LOL, this has to be a joke
- Nicholas Kreidberg
lol I needed a laugh and that did it.
- Brady
me too!
- Jim in Real Time
FriendFeed API v2: Real-time, OAuth, file attachments, and more - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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"Today we are launching version 2 of the FriendFeed API for beta testing. We focused on making the API simpler to use, and we added number of compelling new features." Documentation: http://friendfeed.com/api...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
OAuth? Sweet. Thanks a lot for all the new good stuff in the API: can't wait to use it.
- Mark Trapp
cool :)
- Siavash
very nice. great work!
- Alfredo
Yet another reason to like Bret. :-)
- Jesse Stay
nice!
- Daniel Rust
good job guys, I bet devs are jumping high right now
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Sweet, congrats!
- Ivan Zuzak
nice, good to see OAuth support, this will enable a larger 3rd party ecosphere around FriendFeed, I hope
- Jeroen De Miranda
After going through the documentation and playing around with some feeds, I love the fact that you can now see the subscriber lists of people who have their feeds set to private as long as you are subscribed to them and authenticate (mimicking the main site functionality). One thing that's absent is a discussion of Direct Messages. Do they show up in feeds if you authenticate? How do we find just direct messages?
- Mark Trapp
Mark: direct messages are accessed using the feed ID "filter/direct". Read more about feed IDs at http://friendfeed.com/api.... Also direct messages appear in the "home" feed.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: ahhh, I see it now. I missed it when skimming that list over. Thanks!
- Mark Trapp
Can you post the wget version of the command line?
- Gabe
Gabe: wget --user=bgolub --password=passwd --post-file=MyPhoto.jpg http://friendfeed-api.com/v2... should work. In theory. Edit: nope. I'm not sure it's possible to do with wget.
- Mark Trapp
Oh dear. And now I'm thinking "Command line Friendfeed UI - I can do that - that would be do-able" ;-) Nice work peeps, especially the subscriber list info! :-)
- Andy Bold
Thanks God it is New API.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
from iPod
Nice progress here with this release!
- Micah Wittman
I love it!
- friday night
Why is wget questionable?
- Gabe
Gabe: wget doesn't support multipart forms as a design decision. If you post a file, FriendFeed returns a 404, and if you post data, the query is too long for wget to handle.
- Mark Trapp
cool : )
- Gürkan Oluç
Good work, look forward to seeing what developers can create
- Joe Dawson
doublepluslike
- Raphael, Raphael
curl FTW.
- Jeremy Kunz
This is great, FriendFeed team. Good job.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Woowoo, bgolub's password is “passwd” ;-)
- Amit Patel
Amit: I wonder how many people tested that :)
- Benjamin Golub
Thanks to bgolub posting his password, I now have all of FriendFeed's secret documents about notorious users, useless metrics, Justin Timberlake's promoting FF on Oprah's show, hiring Colbert as a spokesperson, Ev Williams being just a “distraction”. TechCrunch is going to love this! ;)
- Amit Patel
Yes big big thanks to the whole team for all their hard work!!
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from iPhone
thank you;) waiting for the release :) loving clone
- abdellah
from FriendFeed API Example
Yay subscribers exposed!
- EricaJoy
Finally OAuth, I had a hard time memorizing my remote key.
- Hugh Isaacs II
This is indeed very cool, anybody started on a c# version?
- Jesper Lind
This is shameful...
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FriendFeed is not a broadcast medium, like Twitter is
- Jorge Escobar
I used to think the same, but some people just sign up and leave. Looks like he did too.
- Josh Haley
It would be great to have him back. He is an awesome machine on Twitter (with almost all links to Alltop, of course).
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
I don't see why it's so shameful. So he doesn't like using this particular service. Is there a law that says he has to? Obviously 10,000+ people don't mind. So leaving his account seems to be of value to some.
- pea
Meh. People spend too much time focusing on superstars. (I assume he's a superstar?) I'd rather focus on people who actually interact. But that's just my take on it.
- Derrick
Yeah, I don't think we mind. I meant it's shameful that Guy, who's supposedly a social media guru doesn't see how much more value he could get out of those 10k subscribers.
- Jorge Escobar
What do you mean by value? And how much more value could he get out of people here than on Twitter? (I'm assuming he's more active on Twitter though doesn't he also have ghost Twitterers? I think I read that somewhere.) And once you get to that many people subbing to you, how do you possibly interact with enough of them to gain "value" from them? I don't have answers to any of these questions. They're just popping into my head as I type. :D
- pea
I would only find it shameful if he were reporting on FF when he's obviously not actually using the service first hand. If he's not reporting on it, then he can do what he wants with his feed.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
From what I can tell all or most of his Twitter posts are automatically generated as well. (BTW who says isn't or can't be as good as or better broadcast medium than Twitter?). I think he is free to use it that way and we are free to ignore him.
- Brian Sullivan
I guess I looked up at Guy because of his work. But now I admire Louis Gray and Robert Scoble 10x more, because they are using the tools right. There is value in putting your thoughts and getting instant feedback. I learn from blog comments equally or more than from the blog post itself. Of course, this is my own opinion, and that's why I'm posting it only in my feed.
- Jorge Escobar
Jorge, why thank you!
- Robert Scoble
Lots of people just like to use the aggregation feature (is this wrong?). Their loss if they're not doing more, but are you mad at Guy that he has such a following? Mad at people for tapping into Guy's aggregated information?
- Stuart Miniman
Wow, now I'm mad (?) I'm just saying it's a shame for Guy not to use FriendFeed to its full extent. He can do whatever he wants.
- Jorge Escobar
Apostol -- you're wrong. There is value interacting with 10k and even more with 100k. You just need to use smart filtering.
- Jorge Escobar
well, whatever the reason, his subscription on Friendfeed generates interest even when he is not using it allegedly as effective as you may want. but then it IS effective all the same!?
- Ashish Tiwari
Ashish, Robert Scoble (in FF) has 44k subscribers. Guy has 10k. Guess who's more effective?
- Jorge Escobar
Nobody posts about Robert Scoble having less or more subscribers, but you did about Guy. So he is still as effective in grabbing your attention.
- Ashish Tiwari
I'm talking about effectiveness
- Jorge Escobar
One thing to note is that as it becomes easier to synchronize followers from Twitter and Facebook, those who have popular accounts elsewhere will appear popular here as well, even if they were not subscribed to specifically on FriendFeed for the value they bring.
- Louis Gray
"It’s called SOCIAL media, but the social part is often forgotten by people who just want to advertise themselves and their products. I think that social media is a great way to market a brand or product, but it’s not effective if it’s annoying and one-sided. Use social media to meet new people and engage in meaningful conversations. Large corporations are finding that outlets such as...
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- Jorge Escobar
Guy Kawasaki? Unless he build bikes I don’t know him. What makes him special?
- Remo
You have to look at it as a matter of time investment. Social networking is definitely useful, but there comes a point where the amount of people following you means you can no longer carry on a rational, useful conversation with all of them. Also, some people just use FriendFeed as a way to see ALL activities of people they're interested in in one place, not necessarily as its own conversation medium.
- Trent Hamm
Take me, for example. Most of the time, if I see something interesting on FriendFeed, I carry on the conversation on Twitter. Why? More people are there - the conversation has more relevance.
- Trent Hamm
Trent: that's horrid decision making on your part. Why? Conversations on Twitter go away cause their search sucks and because you can't permalink to an entire conversation (like you can to this one).
- Robert Scoble
Who is he anyways? Except a HEAVY Twitter user who tweets to collect followers.
- sofarsoShawn
Guy was an exec at Apple and wrote a bunch of popular books about marketing.
- Robert Scoble
Like most of these services, I think the boundaries around the right and wrong ways to use them are pretty broad. And if you think about it, FF is even MORE of a broadcast and aggregation service than Twitter because of its built-in (and original purpose, might I add) support for piping in your content from nearly 60 other services.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
David, no offense but FF is all about aggregation and nothing about broadcast. Plus you're forgetting we can comment, rate and search on any of the items piped in from all those services, so there's the value add of threading and human filtering and bubbling of good content, which Twitter seriously lacks.
- Jorge Escobar
I don't see the what the big deal is. If he's not using it the way you'd like him to then tune him out. friendfeed is not on CNN every night like facebook and twitter. If you're using social media as a place to market then you have to stick with the most populated places. Don't get me wrong, I love how friendfeed aggregates all this great info, but my audience is not here, so why would...
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- Jonathan.Rivera
Yep. that's really bad.
- anna sauce
I see Guy as a "broadcaster" (if he does use FF) and if I were subscribed to him, which I'm not, I wouldn't be interested in following. I am interested in who follows these guys. Don't you want a conversation? Are there 10K "listeners" out there?
- anna sauce
I have a sense he is someone who doesn't know how to use FF (like Louis & Robert) and thus doesn't get it. At least he's not claiming it's syphillis, despite his ignorance.
- anna sauce
I tend to view Friendfeed as more of an aggregator first and as a social tool second.
- Bill Rawlinson
@Bill that's a 100% correct assessment
- Jorge Escobar
@Bill, I agree
- Jonathan.Rivera
Bill, +1
- anna sauce
Guy will show up when the subscriber numbers grow for friendfeed. When he get's evidence of a large % of his daily/monthly website hits coming from friendfeed he'll be here. He's being pragmatic about it and focusing on where he has a large audience (twitter). He's probably busy writing while his ghost tweeters are generating stuff he approves of? By the way I'm a big fan of Guy, don't want to come across as portraying him in a bad light.
- Mark Essel
If he takes the same approach that he does on Twitter, I'd rather he just stay there. It's all broadcast and he usually tweets things days after they're posted elsewhere. It's basically his way of driving traffic to Alltop. No real value there.
- Kevin Pedraja
Agree, I like the pipes function for aggregating. Not sure how to use or of FF value beyond that. Kawasaki is into presence. Asked eight months ago to RT something, fell on deaf ears. Nothing in it for him (LOL). He was early adopter, built huge base, does nothing unless it directly links/builds Alltop brand. I guess that's 'marketing' and seems counter-intuitive in social media.
- Denis Campbell
I say Bullshit. I'll bet I can find each of you on another social network that's not active but have a profile. Guy (and everyone else) can do what they want on any social network. We shouldn't feel obligated.
- Jeremiah Owyang
This discussion is far greater than the story that triggered it in the first place. ;-)
- Caio Cesar
Jeremiah is usually good in his comments. This time, no such luck. I do have Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, LinkedIn (is that social?), Triiibes, Bitacoras, Plurk and probably 2 or 3 more I don't visit anymore. Twitter is the other social net I use, and it's all echoes from what I do in FriendFeed. The fact that Guy can find us in other places, doesn't mean he's using Social media to its...
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- Jorge Escobar
Hmmm...just weighing the opinions on this.
- Peter Thayer
You can visit Guy's website: alltop.com
- Amir
Hey! On the iPhone, there's grass in them there feeds!
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hee. :) Louis is the personal QA of Reader and FriendFeed. :)
- Jenna Bilotta
Darn right, Jenna. That's why you should send me stuff early. :)
- Louis Gray
You're not using the iPhone version but I guess it is an issue if ppl like using the regular version on the iPhone.
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Zulema: I only use the regular version on my iPhone. I hate limited web sites. And I get this same grass problem too and mentioned it yesterday, before Louis did. It's not often I beat Louis at something. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I use the iPhone version but I regularly click through to links that *don't* use the iPhone version. It would be nice if FF could make my interface choice persistent based on device and not URL-based.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Robert, here's your token of winningness.
- Louis Gray
Robert, how can you see the regular version on your iPhone? I can hardly read it, I must have old eyes for my 33 years. Haahaa! Which is odd since I'm nearsighted :p
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
I'll bet the non-lite FF UI chugs less on the 3GS than it does on the 3G, huh?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I noticed this last night.
- tomit
Yeah, I noticed that last night as well. Thanks, Louis!
- Ross Miller
Yup. Some of the more advanced themes aren't fully supported on the iPhone at present. It works in WebKit and Safari 4, but there's an iPhone quirk. We're looking in to it.
- Kevin Fox
A quirk? It's a feature, not a bug! :)
- Louis Gray
It's a feature. Helps you to track what's left underground as new feeds come in.
- Burcu Dogan
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