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Futuresonic Social Technologies Summit

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Iphigenie
Notes from Futuresonic room 3 day 2: Digital behaviours, Lanfranco Aceti
The speaker is an artist and professor. From Italy, lived and worked in the UK and US, now in Turkey - Iphigenie
The main "questions" in the works and projects discussed are around: is there a conflict between real and virtual behaviours? how do things pass between virtual and real? what effect can one have on the other? who owns the space, controls the currents? - Iphigenie
context: in Turkey there is a growing censorship of the internet, esp. social/open sites like youtube, as they are perceived as a threat to the notion of statehood. - Iphigenie
point: even though there are such censorship, even the prime minister has been known to use youtube to post his speeches etc. The law says one thing but people bypass it. There is a dislocation between law and reality, a habit of transgression - Iphigenie
these dislocations and transgressions seem quite common around virtual media - Iphigenie
Project "artistic squatting" (this was the third and not the last time people talked about the issues of who owns the space..) http://maps.google.co.uk/maps... - Iphigenie
Comment: The issue of who owns what virtual space, who controls what gets put where, and how it is all balanced is a tricky one that won't have an easy and immediate answer. - Iphigenie
The report-issues approach of many social media - do they create, over time, a culture of delation? - Iphigenie
do we risk to end up with a "smallest common denominator" culture, how do we balance it all? How to preserve/allow space for transgression, art, alternatives? - Iphigenie
Project: "Will Henry Jenkins hear of this?" - idea: nobody must tell Henry Jenkins about the message sent to him in a bottle, but films are posted online, people allowed to blog about it. How long will it take for him to one day find it? (In parallel it seems the bottle is also hoping to be passed from people to people to see if it gets to him, but I didnt quite get the mechanics of that experiment). There is a facebook group, blog posts (now there are notes here on FF too) - Iphigenie
the motivation behind this is to test the fluidity and currents in the online world in a way, as well as the nature and content of the online ties. How is knowledge of a whimsical and "not-personally-relevant" (my interpretation here) passed about? (Probably the way this travels is more serendipity-linked than "actionable" information would be - my interpretation again) - Iphigenie
Point: This seems (and is) whimsical but it also gives an idea of how civic networking, how information could get to people without them knowing, asking, or even searching for it. Does it get there by all the side and byways, or does it get lost in the sea of information? - Iphigenie
Point: we need high diversity networks. diversity means resilience. DIverse networks are harder to shut down, it is easier to bypass gatekeepers. (he has a rather kafkaian view of authority and governments - his words) - Iphigenie
He also shared a story behind his interest in these points, which was that in spite of the huge wave of information, outrage, discussion etc. on the internet around Burma, not much could be done to help. A huge online storm but total futility in the end. The can you really make something happen in the real world via the virtual world without the recipient knowing or wanting it? - Iphigenie
further keywords: intersemiotic, transmedia, transgression, identity, transformation - Iphigenie
Comment: interesting to me is the overlap between this talk, the one by Stove Boyd and the one by Adam Greenfield - all struck me because of their focus on boundaries (perhaps it is only me seeing too much, since it is a theme which fascinates me from my studies of myth - the topics of boundaries, liminality, trickster/transgression themes and interstitial spaces). Stove Boyd spoke of... more... - Iphigenie
Very interesting points. I'm sure this is a very Western/Anglo view of mine, but it seems like technologically emerging countries are slow to realize they already missed the boat for the more attractive Orwellian control of their constituents' "reality". The notion of distributed file systems is very attractive to me in the context that decentraled data (or, "the truth") is much more secure. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
one of the points he was getting to, in a way, is a dream that the networks, systems and tools get build the right way, close-minded ignorance will become impossible - because information will circulate fluidly and if something is true you will just encounter it again and again. Nowadays it is easy to surround ourselves with people that read like us, talk like us, think like us (offline... more... - Iphigenie
Ah, yes, it is very easy to forget the effect assimilation of tech in more of our everyday lives has on the human social senses. These concepts and themes have been discussed for quite a while (as you are well aware). - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I think that model of "truth" is how we've managed to bung things up so far, and it is one of the more essential points of perspective that apparently takes time for people to become familiar enough with to consider an alternative to "crowd-sourced truth" giving us a WikiReality. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I'm only a shade-tree techie, such as it is. What's interesting to me, is that more of the tech-centric symposiums seem to include broader arrays of disciplines, and yet the questions are very similar. Or the questions might sound different, but the solutions are similar. I would really (really) like to believe it's a beginning of an evolution in thought and conscious (edit: and conscience, too). - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
That's what a lot of people were saying - this was a social media summit with the social meaning "society interface" more than the meaning of "interactive" it has in twitter and ff. I like you point about truth - i think we are not there yet with the way we deal with information, ideas, opinions. We went from 1-to-many, top down, broadcast knowledge to crowd-cleaned-up knowledge, but... more... - Iphigenie
found a tiny blog post by the speaker about his talk http://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/ee... ". The modalities within which new categories of web platforms create and manipulate collective behaviors are a great source of understanding of the politics of the future" (sounds a bit different from my notes) Note: I also spoke to him at beer time, but kept to my notes in here - Iphigenie
Wow, thanks Joelle. This is great stuff. Did he have any suggestions on 'The Right Way' to architect information systems? - Michael R. Bernstein
Joelle, did you take notes on the Stowe Boyd and Adam Greenfield talks? - Michael R. Bernstein
Joelle, thanks for the link to the speaker's blog post. I've been hearing a lot lately about the concerns that the allure of Western culture's instantaneous connectivity and socialization is a thinly veiled move toward cultural hegemony. Sounds like more Cold War claptrap to me. The grasp a society chooses to have on it's own cultural roots has never been in the hands of the leaders. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Michael, I put my notes in Martin's notes, for Stowe Boyd it is here http://friendfeed.com/futures... and for Adam Greenfield http://friendfeed.com/futures... - Iphigenie
Thanks Joelle - it's very kind of you to document the strands which I (and I'm sure others) missed. It rounds out the conference - and makes me question some of my attendance choices! - Mark Wallace from BuddyFeed
I got a nice email of thanks from the speaker today :D - Iphigenie
This, for me, partially echoes some of Bourriaud's 'altermodern' themes - that we are past post- modernism, and that the artist becomes a nomad across space, time, and the real/virtual. Some of the works exhibited (esp. I think Seth Price and Simon Starling) emphasised the disconnect resulting from repeated journeys across the virtual/real border. I wonder if one role of the artist will... more... - Mark Wallace from BuddyFeed
(sorry, didn't make clear that Price, Starling comments reference the recent Tate Triennial curated by Bourriaud) - Mark Wallace from BuddyFeed
I think the artist has always been a boundary-crossing nomad, as you put it, between the real and the virtual (as in imagination / vision). The difference nowadays is that we all have a shared set of virtual worlds which are not imaginary... means everyone is crossing over without really thinking about it, and taking it for granted... and this certainly presents a whole new set of challenges? - Iphigenie
I should probably say that I am now involved in some of the current (linked to the Leonardo Electronic Almanac) and future projects - what a bar discussion at futuresonic/future everything can enable, who kows? - Iphigenie
Martin Bryant
Notebooks - Los Cuadernos de Julia: Social Tools, Internet, and Future Culture - http://www.loscuadernosdejulia.com/2009...
Notebooks - Los Cuadernos de Julia: Social Tools, Internet, and Future Culture
Martin Bryant
Notebooks - Los Cuadernos de Julia: Jodrell Bank Touches the Stars and Stars in Euro Space Mission - http://www.loscuadernosdejulia.com/2009...
Notebooks - Los Cuadernos de Julia: Jodrell Bank Touches the Stars and Stars in Euro Space Mission
"At Futuresonic 2009, the visitors to the opening gala performance on 13 May 2009 were treated to a very special project co-commissioned and co-ordinated by the festival and the University of Manchester's Jodrell Bank Observatory. In the picture on the left you can see Teresa Anderson introducing Touch the Stars - a collaboration of the musician Mark Pilkington and astrophysicist Tim O'Brien, to mark the International Year of Astronomy and the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11 Moon landings. As the short description of the project tells us, "in space nobody can hear you scream, but that doesn't mean it is totally quiet". And although the sound in this YouTube extract leaves a lot to be desired, you can nevetheless tune in to the sound of space - or even possibly, the sound of silence, received directly from space via Jodrell Bank Observatory." - Martin Bryant from Bookmarklet
Martin Bryant
Notebooks - Los Cuadernos de Julia: Drew Hemment: From FutureSonic to Future Everything - http://www.loscuadernosdejulia.com/2009...
"I didn't give it much thought right after the event, but my experience of Futuresonic has so far appeared to always connect to some kind of a festival's anniversary. Back in 2006, when I attended it for the first time, the participants were trailing the city, carrying balloons with the Futuresonic logo. In 2006, the festival was in its tenth calendar year, so there was a good reason to celebrate. 2006, too, saw the first Social Technologies Summit. I vividly remember Last.fm debuting there. Geolocation and mapping have already been in the focus, and Stanislav Roudavski, a Russian-born, UK-based architect, artist and researcher, shared the insights into what now seems to make Performative Places. In 2006, I was able to review Manchester Peripheral before it officially debuted during the first Manchester International Festival, and it was pleasant to see David Gunn returning to Futuresonic in 2009, with Echo Archive commission from Opera North. Back in the day, David was involved in... more... - Martin Bryant from Bookmarklet
Martin Bryant
Rhizome | Report From FutureSonic 2009 - http://rhizome.org/editori...
Rhizome | Report From FutureSonic 2009
"Focusing on a wide array of themes such as the context of a rapidly changing planet, our evolving human / natural ecosystem, the growing global strain on natural resources, and the advancement of artistic methods on potential of technological infrastructures, the 10th edition of the FutureSonic festival spanning 14 years integrated a wide and impressive array of international speakers, workshops, exhibitions, and performances. Scattered around the bustling city of Manchester in the United Kingdom, the festival took into account both its local strengths and its global outreach to encourage debate and showcase a wide arrange of artistic projects that examined just how far we have come in these debates and how far we have to go to make sense of the evolving technological apparatus that surrounds us." - Martin Bryant from Bookmarklet
Martin Bryant
Martin Bryant
Futuresonic 2009 - a set on Flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Futuresonic 2009 - a set on Flickr
Futuresonic 2009 - a set on Flickr
Futuresonic 2009 - a set on Flickr
A great set of shots from the summit courtesy of Perry Bonewell. - Martin Bryant from Bookmarklet
Iphigenie
Things that could improve for next year's "future everything" summit:
The brochure was incomplete, as if it was missing a page esp. on the "digital futures" track. Not all the talks had a short entry or description, and not all speakers had a profile. This made trying to figure out what the talks on the program were about a bit tricky at times. (there was for example one sessions called "creative action and long term social change" but no description or anything - makes people less likely to risk going to that one) - Iphigenie
More slack time between sessions. For questions. For catching up. And for moving between places. I missed so many beginnings. - Iphigenie
More people from more places. I enjoyed hearing from the Netherlands and Finland, and Turkey and Brazil. More :D Although I dont want less about the UK either :S - Iphigenie
Hi Joelle, I agree with everything that you have put down on here and I think that it would be a good space for other people to comment as well. In the plenary session on Friday the doors where thrown open and the question was asked to the audience, "How do we make this better, more relevant and open?" I think that we have a great opportunity to really inform how FutureEverything will... more... - Julian Tait
This is going to sound really petty but can we have better seating? After sitting on stools, plastic chairs, squishy sofas in the bar and an assortment of other places to park myself (benches and pull-down seats in Space 1), my back was crippled. So badly that I had to go home on Friday afternoon and miss what for me was probably the most interesting and useful section of #futr09 (as well the bit I was most likely to do press coverage on). It's taken me 3 days to recover. - Louise Bolotin
Wi-fi that works, Twitter-friendly name-badges (inc @handle, larger type, double sided so when they spin round you can still see? though we may not be using twitter next year for all I know!!!) Agree about slack-time - is dead important. More (obvious) workshoppy sessions. - Sam Easterby-Smith
The Wi-fi was a problem all round, even though we had a nice fat data pipe that was donated by the nice people at Manchester MetroNet. The problem we had was that we had a DNS lease time issue, apparently. We must of had over 100 on the go at the same time next time but next time we'll try and accommodate it. - Julian Tait
I noticed the wifi would drop a lot, it makes sense as a dhcp issue. Probably ran out of addresses as people closed and restarted their machines but the dhcp server didnt recycle them fast enough - Iphigenie
I didnt feel that it was that incredibly mono-cultural this year, not compared to other events esp. in tech. Perhaps it depends which sessions, but of course my path took me around people from france, the netherlands, finland, italy, brazil. I like the number of UK people, after all this is in the UK and certainly for me if I knew better what was available and who was doing what across... more... - Iphigenie
Iphigenie
Some of my notes from day 1, room 2: Arte:mov, Lucas Silveira
Arte.mov is a festival of mobile video art in Brazil that happens both in cinemas and museums but also on the street http://www.artemov.net/ - Iphigenie
disclaimer: i am someone who often, in a modern art museum, won't "get" the video art. It doesn't mean I dont appreciate the artistic approach, it's just that video art tends to demand more of your time than, say, sculpture or photography, and as a result it is a tougher challenge, what would be ok in a photography stretches my patience in video. I came to the session nonetheless... more... - Iphigenie
Most of the session was a showing of a 40 minutes selection of mobile art shorts. (This was perhaps a bit too long as we lost people to either other sessions or too much). The shorts were quite varied, all very short, and went from minimalist/abstract to what I would call focused-real (narrow focus on one thing that you don't normal look at like this), some animation too. - Iphigenie
Some of the personal points I took from this session were: - Iphigenie
1) Mobile phones are allowing video art to be done everywhere and consumed everywhere - the price of the tools to make it and to consume it are lower than ever. No complex museum installations needed. It makes it potentially a more widely consumed form of art than perhaps any other. - Iphigenie
2) Art is done everywhere, and it is no less relevant because it is done in Brazil (or Ethiopia etc.). It is not "exotic" art or "traditional" art, it is contemporary art. This is of course obvious when you think about it for even a minute, but a lot of attitudes I have encountered in the "West" show that we *don't* think about it. But art is done everywhere, and it is done for the local audience. - Iphigenie
3) I know nothing about video art - Iphigenie
I think video art, despite it's reasonably long history, has not yet had a master practitioner to elevate it, like Calder for mobiles, or Joseph Cornell for shadow boxes. - Michael R. Bernstein
That is certainly true - and the fact that it demands a fixed amount of time to absorb does raise the bar a bit - at least I am a lot more tolerant of "static" art, that I can look over in 10 seconds and dismiss, if I so want, than something that I might watch for 15 minutes hoping for a point that engages me... and not find. - Iphigenie
Would love some pointers to video art worth giving 5 or 15 minutes to :D - Iphigenie
How about a classic, like the Eames' 'Powers of Ten'? - Michael R. Bernstein
oh, i remember this one - saw it at school. Is it art? :D - Iphigenie
Iphigenie
Notes from Futuresonic room 3 day 2 - Project SKIVE, Abigail Shonenboom
http://www.bonkworld.org/skive... - this is both a research presentation and an information gathering tool - Iphigenie
Skiving is subverting work (time and resources), usually to reclaim time in face of ever invasive and demanding work culture - Iphigenie
Skiving is universally widespread in the western world - this highlights that the current work environment is not the way people would work. - Iphigenie
(pause while i walk the dog) - Iphigenie
(form of skiving?) - Iphigenie
As part of her research of work/life balance she found the topic of skiving interesting - although the method of studying some examples and asking for stories via the internet, gathering the stories and using them to determine patterns etc. was not a "standard" one in sociology, which tends to work with standardised group samples etc. The approach was more like ethnography. - Iphigenie
The standard social science approach is one which is systematic, passive and authoritative and tries to produce "absolute" results. But when one is studying people and social issues, there ought to be space for more "performative" social science activities - non linear, playful, provocative, experiencial - Iphigenie
Historical knowledge: when people are in control the rhythm alternates intent work with period of idleness - this seems to be the way people naturally organise work. - Iphigenie
books mentioned: "Willing Slaves: How the Overwork Culture is Ruling Our Lives" by Madeleine Bunting and "No Collar" Andrew Ross (self inflicted overwork in the new media culture) - Iphigenie
From "No Collar": "the insidious occupational hazard of no collar work is that it can enlist employees' freest thoughts and impulses in the service of salaried time." "when work is sufficiently humane, we are likely to do more of it" and "allow it to usurp an unacceptable portion of our time" - Iphigenie
She also showed quite a lot of facts on working times and how working times had decreased until the mid 70s and started increasing again since.There is also a need at work to appear busy all the time, doing something (whether useful or not). Skiving in this context is a way of redressing the balance, but also a necessity, since there is so little time left outside work. - Iphigenie
Senior people skive just as much, if not more, than lower level staff. - Iphigenie
Skiving must have that little bit of "forbidden" feel to be effective - Iphigenie
Comment: I did comment that some bosses are well aware that skiving is a necessary part of the balance and don't mind it - but others don't get it. My numbers were always to expect 3 to 4 hours of work from an employee a day, the rest is interruptions, necessary slack, wasted in meetings, problems etc. - Iphigenie
Comment: she didnt say it but I guess everyone would be well aware that the current economic times are likely to make people overwork all the more - Iphigenie
Also, even self employed people skive - and quite a bit of the skiving is team based (fake meetings, office games) - Iphigenie
SO, what is your skiving story (some of the stories on the site are pretty fun) - Iphigenie
Why do I even ask - everyone's skiving story probably starts with "checking friendfeed..." - Iphigenie
What counts as 'skiving' if you work from home in the first place? - Michael R. Bernstein
Well it would be subverting time you know you ought to spend on something else :) - Iphigenie
Iphigenie
It was fun at futuresonic to see all the different ways people - artists, researchers, techies - are exploring these topics and issues which most of us never wonder about.
I didnt "get" all of them, but that's not the point, the point is that out there people are asking the questions. They rarely seem to seep into the awareness of the users or analysts that form the most noticeable media community - it is a disconnect I have often noticed and pointed (often clumsily) because the world I had encountered at academic level or on the sysadmin/coding office, or in the corporate tech world seems so different from what is discussed in the social media sphere (or the mainstream media). - Iphigenie
Although I have been told I should not waste my brains on hippie-ish, open-ish, artsey stuff, it all seems very relevant, compelling and engaging to me, in a way discussions about being a pro blogger dont. I like people who ask questions, even when it is questions that seem pointless to me - and when the questions make me go "hang on here..." it's a win :D I might be a scientist and... more... - Iphigenie
Iphigenie
I have 2 A5 pages of notes on "project Skive" and 4 pages of notes on the "digital behaviours" seminar, both from futuresonic room 3 on day 2 - but I will wait to see if the response to my previous notes makes it worth the work (hint hint!)
Are likes enough encouragement for you? ;) - Meryn Stol
it's a start :) It takes an awful lot of time to turn notes that work as triggers for oneself, into something that is not totally confusing to others and might make them interested - Iphigenie
Good observation. It might not even be worth it. You could also just make reference to things you've learned during talks in future conversations. That's much easier. You don't have to play the reporter... - Meryn Stol
Well, my vote is for more notes, the ones you've posted so far are pretty good. - Michael R. Bernstein
done - might make some people wish they'd been there, it was one of these "serendipity" events where everyone seems smarter and more informed than you (well, me) and things are said and questioned. I'll go again. (I think futuresonic now owes me an invite for next year :D) - Iphigenie
Iphigenie
Found at futuresonic (leaflet) ISEA CONFERENCE: 23rd of August to 1st September 2009 | - http://www.isea2009.org/wordpre...
Found at futuresonic (leaflet) ISEA CONFERENCE: 23rd of August to 1st September 2009 |
"ISEA2009 will be concerned with Engaged Creativity in Mobile Environments. The incessant change of physical and virtual environments under the influence of global capital and mass migration as well as the fluidity of personal and social relationships effected by digital information and communication technologies has come to determine the life experience for billions of people. These societal and technological conditions radically and rapidly alter the ways we communicate, inter- and transact, how we make meaning of the world and ourselves, and how we conduct our lives along dramatically changing fault lines of the private and the public. Digital technologies as the fuel of global capital have not only effected dynamic and increasingly precarious labour relations. They underpin and challenge the negotiation of political and economic, social and cultural, religious and territorial conflicts and the re/organisation of society and its spaces alongside changing notions of democracy,... more... - Iphigenie from Bookmarklet
Now to find some kind of excuse to justify to myself going to something like this - Iphigenie
Looks great - shame it's in Ireland :( - Martin Bryant
Ireland's closer than you think, just a short ferry away - perhaps FF can help us find cheap accommodation :D - Iphigenie
Iphigenie
"Here at the acoustics research centre at the University of Salford, we hope to discover how and why people react the way they do to the sound around them using a revolutionary combination of mobile phone technologies. This allows members of the public to carry out sound surveys themselves, something that until now had not been possible. By uncovering the determining factors of a particular sound environment that makes a person feel a certain way, be it happy and relaxed or sad and uneasy, spaces can then be enhanced acoustically, ensuring public spaces serve and are appreciated for their intended use. Project members will make recordings of the sound around them at locations of their choice and enter their opinions and feelings about them using their mobile phone. We are running the pilot project until the end of May and need as many members of the public as possible to test our project and to help us further our research." - Iphigenie from Bookmarklet
I saw their talk about this at the Social Media Cafe on Thursday night - it looks really good. I'm going to write up a blog post about it later in the week. - Martin Bryant
I only found a leaflet, but I thought it might be an idea to put the links to the URLs on the leaflets I found, since they are all on topic - Iphigenie
This will be a very interesting research. Sound when combined with certain environment do seems to have effect but i think the sound can only enhance the mood by itself. Lot depends on the state of your mind. - Ashish
Iphigenie
Some of my notes from day 1, room 2: Echo Archive, David Gunn
first there was a lady/girl also here from Opera North, but I forgot to write her name down - anyone have it? - Iphigenie
Comment: I absolutely LOVED the whole project they presented. I thought it was original, engaged, exciting and relevant. My notes are rather mixed up as a result... - Iphigenie
Opera North has a "social engagement" program with the Leeds area called "Little London". This is a rather disenfranchised area, with tower blocks, whole buildings torn out, and difficult schools etc. The program has many different aspects and has been very successful http://www.operanorth.co.uk/educati... - Iphigenie
Incidental http://www.theincidental.com/ is a creative organisation of sorts. Their projects seem to focus on participative art, art in the community, and seem to be rooted in the real landscape, using sounds as keys - but also images and words and some virtual elements. The sense of a place seem a very important theme across it all, as is memory and bringing the physical into the imaginary (art) (perhaps David Gunn can come and correct any inaccuracies here) - Iphigenie
Echo archive itself is a project to create music through a virtual instrument using sounds and patterns which reflect the particular area of Little London. The sounds were gathered all throughout the community, some by children, some by the team - they include ambient sounds as well as musicians from the area. The goal was to allow people to express, in a participative and playful way, how they felt about their place, what was happening - Iphigenie
He made a strong point that the traditional, linear way of making music that pretty much every tool uses is very constrictive, difficult to learn and use, and limited to certain types of composition. He wanted to make a tool that was easier to use, playful, organic, could be assigned mood and meaning, and perhaps also be a little unpredictable. - Iphigenie
The best way I can describe the tool is a big tag cloud around an open structured area - you drag the words into the area, and depending on where you place them the sound is louder, quieter, slower, more directional etc. You can also add mood effects to each sound, which are transformations. Then you move things around as you record. (It looked like a lot of fun!) - Iphigenie
Music pieces can be listened to on the site, and the tool can be downloaded for playing with (mac + pc) http://www.echoarchive.com/ download it - seriously - Iphigenie
No joy for me on Linux. Oh Well. Have you seen ReacTable?: http://www.youtube.com/results... - Michael R. Bernstein
That looks incredible Michael - have you seen it live? - Iphigenie
Nope, not yet. - Michael R. Bernstein
Psychosynth, BTW, provides a FLOSS alternative with a 'virtual' UI: http://www.psychosynth.com/ - Michael R. Bernstein
Cool, thanks Michael - I see you posted it on FF here http://friendfeed.com/welovea... - Iphigenie
The echo archive approach is interesting in part due to the cool, very accessible software - but the other aspect is the sense of something referring to a place and time, with sounds, shapes etc. all taken from that one place. I wish there was a toolkit to repeat the process for one's own place - Iphigenie
Iphigenie
"We are a loosely associated group of artists who engage with new media. Rather than being brought together by a shared sense of identity (eg as migrants), we are artistically driven (as opposed to led) by the highly charged and moving human stories, events and histories around us. And by the urge to delve into the deeper causes and links which underlie these narratives, both local and global. To pursue this, our artistic preference is to engage with a range of artists and communities for whom these migrant issues resonate. Although a significant number of our collaborators will therefore originate from migrant backgrounds, to achieve the deconstruction of white perspectives towards alternative engagements, we involve selected people and artists from other backgrounds. All artists, who contribute at different levels (and invariably have their own practice) in some cases become involved with the project in parallel to their own thematic base. This was the case for Keith Piper and... more... - Iphigenie from Bookmarklet
Martin Bryant
Open the Future: Heckling the Earth - http://www.openthefuture.com/2009...
Open the Future: Heckling the Earth
Post from Jamais Cascio's blog, including audio of the notorious heckler! - Martin Bryant from Bookmarklet
I missed all that! - Iphigenie
It was great - they had to eject her from the building. She was drunk and spouting global warming-skeptic rubbish. I have nothing against people expressing that viewpoint but it wasn't the time or place. - Martin Bryant
Iphigenie
I used to think that there is infinite space online, but my recent thinking and talks at futuresonic showed me that it is not true.
1) Attention and findability are in very limited supply, and good things can be crowded out - in many places you find what they want to promote and push. Yes, some things rise later ("cult" movies, books etc - all things that did not get promoted by their publishers at the time, but slowly did get found more and more) but for a few that do, how many don't and disappear? - Iphigenie
2) It is unclear who owns and controls the space - many of us consider it as "common space" but it is? Overnight twitter removed from my stream messages that were in it last week (even some I had starred!), by changing their rules. Overnight Google can send a site out of the found web, with penalties that are non transparent and not explained. Domain names can be taken away. This gets... more... - Iphigenie
3) Direct citizen content can never compete with the people who can throw tons of money to move their content to the top of the pile. And there are many for whome the income return means they can throw money to be at the top. For many search queries I do, there are often 5 whole pages at the top which are SEO/affiliate sites (the ones which have no original content, just heavily SEOed,... more... - Iphigenie
3b) Note that this will be even worse for location-aware media, since the pipe is proprietary (for now, through your mobile provider) and there is just so much you can pile in one spot on google maps, for example - once it picks up what do you think will happen? pay-to-be-on-top. - Iphigenie
4) going back to "all the good stuff we miss" mentioned in #1, for each of these ideas that was good but got crowded out, it diminishes the chances of more like it being made. Because funding is in limited supply, but even for independent writers, creators, journalists etc. courage and determination are in limited supply - sometimes you stick it out, but sometimes you adapt and go with the flow. - Iphigenie
A good example of 1+4 of course is television, think about shows you like that got cancelled, and what happened. Chances are nothing like it was made for quite a while. Now and then something gets enough traction to become cult later, and suddenly 5 or 6 projects appear that crowd that sphere (and me as a cynic thinks that this crowding of projects probably means the best one will get crowded out, but sometimes I am wrong, and boy do I love being wrong on this!) - Iphigenie
5) Now some of the social media, web2.0, participative media CAN help counter these BUT it is not automatic and it is not guaranteed. After all marketing techniques can quickly push something on top. Nothing wrong with using social media for marketing, but the risk of too much of it crowding out authentic participation is there. The truth is that even in current social media, on average we find and discuss what they want to push and promote - the pattern of 1+4 I discussed about television is visible here. - Iphigenie
Any thoughts? am I being silly here? - Iphigenie
Re: (2) -- thankfully, we don't live in a total monoculture. friendfeed competes with twitter, and the twitter executives know that if they make too many mistakes of that sort, they'll go the way of myspace. The extent to which we have viable choices of where we spend our time and attention is the extent to which it is truly "common space". - Nathaniel Thurston
We have always missed out on lots, that doesnt bother me - what bothers me is people doing it as a flock, following the marketing dollar... What gets the attention is controlled - we are noticing and missing things in a mass-standardized way unless we go out of our way. Music is a drastic example where if you listen to the radio or read the press and sites, it is the very same stuff you... more... - Iphigenie
Great points and an important conversation to have. I'm not sure "findability" is quite as limited as you indicate. I can get Alan Lomax's field recordings of work songs on YouTube and my pal David's indie folk/rock on MySpace. It's possible that as pay-to-be-on-top gets worse, it could get harder and harder to find content that isn't being pushed by Big Money, but for now it's mostly a... more... - Bill Hooker
You're right, if you have the web savvy and know what you are looking for, findability is again infinite. But most people are not us, they dont have the savvy, they dont have the inclination, or the time, and if they search for "contemporary indie folk" they won't find it. That's a point that was made at the conference: let's not forget that we have the influence over what gets built... more... - Iphigenie
Joelle Nebbe, I find this a interesting topic for discussion. The evolution of hyperconnectivity is underway. This fits in with a vision I have been following for some years now. We are in the "age of communications". - bcultral
Joelle, I'm not sure I agree about the 4+1 rule about social media, at least here on friendfeed -- I find that the stuff I see here bears little resemblance to the stuff that's being marketed. Maybe this is just a small example, and maybe it won't scale if and when people who don't consciously choose where to spend their attention start joining in large numbers, but I do think it's significant. - Nathaniel Thurston
What you see here isn't the heavily marketed stuff, mostly, for two reasons: 1) They just haven't gotten around to us yet 2)You get to pick you you listen to. It follows, then, that the new kind of spam for this medium will take the form of contact/follow requests. How many of you are getting 4-5 new subscriptions a day, and more on twitter? Started, the message wars have. - Mr. Gunn
" whole pages at the top which are SEO/affiliate sites" - what queries do you do? I've never encountered this. - Meryn Stol
I think your general observation: That a randomly picked person in the world (or in the West) won't see a "full" or unbiased picture of the world is correct... I think many people miss the understanding that it's necessary to start digging. They don't feel that they're "missing" something. The web as experienced by the mainstream is therefor much different than the web from people with strong literacy. - Meryn Stol
I believe many of the specific problems will work itself out in due time... Google came to rise because of its "democratic" ranking system. "Openness" is already a selling point for mobile operators. AT&T does not control the iPhone experience. You have full web access, and "local search" apps can compete freely in the iTunes App Store. Perhaps paid rankings might for some time be better than democratic "user ranking", but this will go once there's sufficiently user data mined. It's all a matter of time. - Meryn Stol
"democratic" ranking can come down to missing the good stuff, if the majority misses out on the good stuff, but it's getting more and more easy of viewing the world through the eyes of a few. It still requires information literacy though, but what else do you expect? - Meryn Stol
To put this into context with an example from art: I think sites like last.fm help greatly for discovery of independent artists. People now have an easy alternative for just following album/single sales rankings, even if they're not well-embedded in a network of music lovers. Just the "related artists" function on last.fm already has brought a lot of good stuff to light for me. Browsing other's profiles and "tasting" yourself would even go further. - Meryn Stol
That's a great comment, Meryn. I think discovery and recommendation is the next major problem we need to solve. Come on, Mendeley, and get those recommendation engines going! - Mr. Gunn
Meryn, i will give you an example of search - when my dog ate a whole dish of casserole, I did a search about onion toxicity for dogs. I literally had pages and pages of sites with the very same article, one very vague, with the occasional other link in the middle - until I found one real article way down that actually gave some information about what doses to worry about or not. I only... more... - Iphigenie
After saying that search is going to be less relevant, i must also say that I have been involved in search engine development, and that the issues you look at for quality are relevance to query and context, of course, but also variety (not the same stuff or the same site 10 times in a row, even if they are all very relevant) and a certain "similarity of scope" (i cant think of the term... more... - Iphigenie
But you can place only so much geo located content online, before there is too much for people to process. What happens when your house in google maps is covered with messages - could be paid advertising, political pamphlets, put by just about anyone who wanted. There are some social questions about how it makes us feel when that happens, what the etiquette ought to be etc. I noticed several of the people at futuresonic asking questions around this, an interesting side question - Iphigenie
I think the solution to that is just clever filtering. I'm sure we'll get 'geo-spam' but it won't be an insurmountable problem. - Martin Bryant
I would like to point out that I was in no way saying we are doomed, just that it would be good if we learned to be a bit more demanding when it comes to what we allow to take our awareness space... - Iphigenie
"What happens when your house in google maps is covered with messages - " I never given this any thought, but this is probably possible with current version of Google Maps... But then their model is broken. What gets displayed on a map must be filtered as well. Either democratically, through a bidding system, or with respect to your current social network: What are your friends, or friends of friends saying about this place? - Meryn Stol
There are so many small caveats to new technologies, so many holes now open still to be exploited once the tools get popular, but it will solve itself out. There was no need for Akismet in the early blogging days. Since then, nofollow has emerged too... Our systems get ever more resilient to abuse. That's the definite trend. - Meryn Stol
I think explicit identity combined with analysis of the social graph (identity without a graph would still be practically meaningless) will mean an end to spam as we know it. It would even still allow for pseudonyms. The only requirement would be that the actor has an established reputation. - Meryn Stol
"but it will solve itself out" - no, we will solve it, if we spot it in time :) That's why we want to be asking ourselves the questions before answers are imposed that we don't like to questions we hadn't even thought to ask. That was the whole point :) Note: I am only partly an idealist, since my main field is and has always been pragmatic commercial/corporate/business sites... but I want space for everything, not the online equivalent of a sterile business district. - Iphigenie
Joelle, in general, these kind of problems are only taken on if and when they become a problem. Who knows, maybe the spammers have get bored before these technologies become mainstream. ;) I like being proactive, but only with regard to opportunities (oh and tackling the real problem of our time: global warming). There are an *infinite* amount of problems to worry about in this space. I hope you don't get sidetracked with one of them. - Meryn Stol
DO you really think my little starting points above were sidetracked on detail? I'm curious :) - Iphigenie
Thinking about your post made me realize just how far we are from true globalization. Consider that many of us will never delve into the enormous online space that is currently entirely in Mandarin, or in Hindi, spaces which will only continue to grow. Will English always be the default language of the web, or are things bound to change in the future? - Victor Ganata
Victor: I think the web will increasingly reflect langauge usage around the world. English will probably remain the 'default' language just as it is for airport signs around the world but there will be a whole other world out there that English speakers will never see until translation technology becomes good enough. That will then be the leveller. For example there's a whole subsection... more... - Martin Bryant
Excellent points, language should be point number 6 in that list I think :D Proper multi lingual would be great indeed, with stream translations - what a dream :D - and in the short term better tools to have multiple languages mixed and separated in the stream - Iphigenie
@Joelle, RE: being more demanding about letting things into our awareness space, I think this needs to be a community effort -- marketers are clever enough about infiltrating awareness, especially for the less-disciplined, that we will need an effective mechanism for communicating the assertion "this is a marketing message; beware" to the people around us, BEFORE the message reaches its target. - Nathaniel Thurston
It's about how we deal with the shared virtual space - we all know in "real" space there are things we accept from marketing and advertising and some places where we suddenly think "now that is starting to pollute or infringe on my space". (For example for me adverts before the film on DVDs is clearly in that second category), we need to think about what it will be in the virtual spaces... more... - Iphigenie
Steven (Flitcraft), I was wrong that identity without a graph is meaningless. I mean that identity without data coupled to it on which trustworthiness could be determined (albeit very roughly) is meaningless. I think one's place in a social network, one's connections, are one way to "reduce uncertainty". A public track record is an important second one. Thirdly, there are "personal" experiences. This is seen when a blog automatically approves comments from people who have commented helpfully before. - Meryn Stol
Joelle, but what do we do about the less-clear-cut "real" space examples -- product placements, political spin memes, telemarketing posing as a poll, or even just "ordinary" TV ads which address the subconscious of the people it affects, changing the buying habits of the recipients beneath the level of their awareness? These are all examples of explicit deception which are allowed in "real space", and I think we'd all be poorer if we can't find effective tools to eliminate them from our awareness. - Nathaniel Thurston
But this third way is kind of a pain (and introduces "lag" for new commenters, even the chance that their comments will be lost inside a pile of spam) and the second mechanism has hardly been explored yet. Even in real life, we fall back on judgements from other people. Even degrees and certifications are issued by some party (which brings us to the social graph again). - Meryn Stol
Meryn, I agree with your original statement about the graph -- even in your third case, there's a new baby graph, connecting the person who posted the helpful comment and the blog. Is there any way to determine trustworthiness without some sort of data about prior social connectivity? - Nathaniel Thurston
Well, I'd say someones "track record". But this assumes true "judgement" by the other actor. Complete, objective judgement. I think there are probably track records to be found of which you can see: "You can't fake this. This guy must be real. He must be good." But that requires an insane amount of computation. Normally, humans do "judgement", so it would come down to all kinds of AI techniques... I think it's hardly been explored. - Meryn Stol
For example: could a spammer or faker come up with these bookmarks? http://delicious.com/meryn . Same can be asked for other people's blogs. There are the "splogs" (spam blogs) of course, so merely having some content with interesting keywords doesn't say anything. Even having beuatiful articles doesn't say anything (they could be copied from others). - Meryn Stol
With regard to "could" one also needs to ask: Is it likely? Would it be worth the effort? Sometimes, "fakers" and spies are uncovered right within important sections of the social graph too. Social information doesn't bring absolute certainty as well. - Meryn Stol
Meryn, a spammer could easily come up with your bookmarks, by the simple expedient of locating you and copying them. What brings them alive is the intermixing of social interaction -- a spammer would be hard-pressed to have this conversation to back up the copied bookmarks... - Nathaniel Thurston
Nathaniel, it could be checked if the person's bookmark collection is unique. And a spammer could *never* come up with my bookmark collection again, because of the fact that the bookmarks are *dated*. A spammer would have to started following (and copying) me in 2004, and how could he have possibly chosen me to follow? Out of all other Delicious users? - Meryn Stol
In general, the ability to prove the date of certain actions is a very important piece of the track record. It's also a problem of directly crawling a blog: all dates could be fakes. With blog indexers, there might be clues that the dates are faked. As soon as you see that the blog is tampered with: beware, beware. - Meryn Stol
- Nathaniel, I created a new thread to continue the conversation, if you wish. - Meryn Stol
What was wrong with this thread? - Iphigenie
Joelle, just trying not to go offtopic. (but I realized that a bit late). I like the idea of one conversation per thread. Nathaniel and me seemed to be doing our own thing for a few posts in a row... That could have been separated out. - Meryn Stol
You're right of course - it was my trickster side taking the best of me along... - Iphigenie
Meryn, actually if you import bookmarks into delicious from a file that contains dates, it will use those dates, I am pretty sure. Online, history can be faked quite convincingly to the uninitiated - Iphigenie
Nathaniel, these "less clear cut" examples are exactly what we need to be ready to bounce off with none-of-this-here messages. I would be livid if someone put a political message over my street in virtual space (or over an abortion clinic, or a church, or a store they object to), and even more outraged if i have to pay to get it off (this is what you have to do with adwords) - on the... more... - Iphigenie
Hmm, could be. After having made that comment, I also thought up the possibility of changing the contents of previously made bookmarks. Delicious supports that too, and without any "version history". Well, I still believe that in theory one could make inferences about a person based on an "hard to fake" signal, but how hard it is to come up with a good scheme only helps to show the... more... - Meryn Stol
Meryn, in a way you are thinking that it is easy to do some kind of "Turing Test" between people and bots, and that is still true most of the time - but we are not talking distinguishing people from bots, we are talking distinguishing people who are being authentic from people who are being disingenuous - and we are *not* good at this at all... Spammers are easy to spot because they are... more... - Iphigenie
Joelle, the difficulty of distinguishing authentic voices from deceitful ones is precisely the reason I think we need to design in better mechanisms for spreading the dissenting opinions into our social media. It's ridiculously easy to fool most of the people, but it's impossible to fool everyone for very long, and if the people who aren't fooled can make themselves heard then the con is spoiled. - Nathaniel Thurston
...and hence the six laws of information. http://blog.amusecorp.com/index... - Vasu Srinivasan
Hi Vasu - I guess what I am saying is that your 5th law is an illusion, because information without human access to it or machine findability that can bring it to a human is just a black hole :) - Edit: I meant 5th - Iphigenie
People chose what they like, the object of their liking gets the power. The power in turn decides the changes and if people do not like the changes the power vanishes. - Ashish
Ashish, isn't there a lot of latency in this process - people take a very long time to turn against or leave something they have publicly "liked" before - and in the meantime, the "power" continues to have impunity. - Iphigenie
Joelle Nebbe, Sure it takes time but this is how free society works. With even faster communication the time factor will be even shorter than before. - Ashish
Hi Joelle, I think that the 5th law would still be true, if we decouple content with context. Yes, content by itself, has no meaning without context. But, twittter is about user-generated context. - Vasu Srinivasan
Wow, y'all have done some fairly advanced thinking about this. I think what Meryn said up-stream about sampling and tasting things that come onto your radar makes a lot of sense. I don't know if this is how everyone operates, but initially check someone out when I find out about them (via new follower emails, rt-tweets, or @replies, or friendfeed thread co-commenting) by looking at not... more... - Mr. Gunn
Returning to some of the earlier comments, Ethan Zuckerman has a nice post about the closely related issue of attentional diversity (what he calls xenophilia): http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog... Daniel Lemire also has an interesting bibliography of resources about recommender systems that encourage attentional diversity: http://www.daniel-lemire.com/blog... - Michael Nielsen
This whole thread is so full of interesting contribution my head buzzes! The problem with the format in FF is that there are elements in there that I would have liked to take up again but they got lost in the flow, for example I wanted to call back on some of bcultral's hints and make him share his thinking - Iphigenie
Joelle, maybe "public" DM him? (add him in the "to" field) Works only if you're subscribed to each other though. - Meryn Stol
Joelle, getting back to your original point about homogeneity crowding out the 'good stuff', consider that at least part of what we regard as 'quality' results of a search or recommendation engine is serendipity and surprise. The 'Beatles and Bach' problem is reasonably well known in the literature, even if many choose to ignore it (ie. FF recommendations are mostly useless, since I can't 'hide' or 'down vote' people I don't want recommended to me). - Michael R. Bernstein
Iphigenie
Some of my notes from day 1, room 2 "Deconstructing Networks" Jonah Brucker Cohen
This was a quick overview of several projects which were trying to highlight, illustrate, or amplify issues and effects of things in the networked world, through approaches that were part technology, partly artistic (note: I missed some at the beginning due to non-matching session times) - Iphigenie
Simple experiments that ask questions or make a statement - Iphigenie
- mailing lists with additional rules create surprising behaviours and reactions (bumplist) - Iphigenie
- issues of wifi networks, who owns, what happens when they collide. Devices to disrupt or subvert networks - Iphigenie
http://simpletext.info/ an interactive performance using the audience and their cellphones - Iphigenie
The proliferation of networks and devices does offer new challenges, issues, and new relationship options. We are increasingly dependent on those devices. Good thing? Bad thing? Certainly worth exploring - Iphigenie
He mentioned the term "inquisitive devices" for some of his experimental devices (note: I liked that) - Iphigenie
Showed some films about a midi scrapyard challenge seminar they do, and the interesting instruments people come up with (no electronics ability required? where do I sign up?) - Iphigenie
http://www.thwonk.com/ launched that day, an extension of bumplist. Mailing list/social media style communities with extra twists and rules, to allow people to see for themselves how behaviour can change, and for the fun of it. New types of lists can also be invented. - Iphigenie
A common thread of the different approaches is "changing the metaphors people use (without thinking) by amplifying them" - there is something playful but compelling about this approach, it kind of makes you think "what could I come up with?" - Iphigenie
Ooh, Thwonk looks very interesting... - Michael R. Bernstein
Martin Bryant
#futr09 Liveblogging Mobile Geolocation Panel discussion
Katie Lips asking first question - Lots of exciting technologies have been discussed. Why isn;t mobile exploited as much as it should be? - Martin Bryant
Alfie says the iPhone has changed this overnight. Katie asks about Web Runtime Widgets and data mashups - exciting but are we being asked to be hackers? Should the general public have to do all this. - Martin Bryant
Stefan's answer: it's becoming easier to develop using simple code. Alfie says things like Palm WebOS make things easier *but* there are lots of things your phone can do that you don't use. Not everyone will do it but it lowers the barrier to entry. - Martin Bryant
Katie discussing the 'app explosion' in mobile. What does Selene thing of that? She says it's only the start of where we're going . Alfie asks her about Bliin's pimped out geolocation supercar. What's in it? Slene says it will be like a Black Box Recorder for your car with data that can be shared to you phone and elsewhere. Will have virtual existence onto of its physical one. - Martin Bryant
About half the audience share their location sometimes. - Martin Bryant
Comment: I do when I'm somewhere interesting. There's no point being always on until all my firends and family are doing it too. - Martin Bryant
Comment: the problem with always letting people know where you are is not that they know where you are, it is that they know where you are not - for example, knowing you will not be at your house for 6 hours is hugely valuable to thieves, i can't help to think that. Esp. since anyone doing 5 minutes research can figure out where I live - Iphigenie
Katie: are 'normobs' aware to the potential of the tech in their pockets? Alfie: MMS took a long time to take off. Upswing in 2005 once users understood it and networks got it right. - Martin Bryant
MMS took a lot of time to take off not because people didnt know it but because the operators made it unattractive - slow, lots of errors, and £1 per go? - Iphigenie
Alfie says Latitude is not compelling enough to be mass-market. Katie: People try it but decide it's not for them. - Martin Bryant
Audience member asks about stalking in Mogi. Christian: Player getting close to another but not communicating, just hanging around close-by. Stalking cases were handled by the players. Stalked player told friends in the game who acted agains the stalker within the game. He properly explain how! - Martin Bryant
Question from audience: degrees of privacy in Latitude - control of this is important to users. Also suggests people were sold the T-Mobile G1 on the basis of its generous tariff rather than its potential. - Martin Bryant
Question from audience: did Mogi players consider themselves as gamers? Answer: there were subcultures. Some were obsessive collecters of objects for example. Subcultures outside the game - mixture of people who were hardcore gamers and people curious about geolocation. - Martin Bryant
I only use MMS to send pics to people I consider to be 'disconnected' - Tim Difford from BuddyFeed
What's going to happen next? Stefan: We'll reach the limit of possibilitiy of the mobile platform and other devices without screen etc will be explored. Selene: Doesn't want to predict. Christian: tehnology will have to adapt to emerging mobile subcultures. Alfie: Nanobots in your brain! :) - Martin Bryant
By the way, I thought Katie was a great panel moderator - Iphigenie
Martin Bryant
Open the Future: Hacking the Earth Slides - http://www.openthefuture.com/2009...
Open the Future: Hacking the Earth Slides
Jamais Cascio's slides from the keynote. - Martin Bryant from Bookmarklet
Martin Bryant
Mark Wallace
Notes from Environment2.0 Unconference (Saturday's session) are at http://etherpad.com/env20 . It sought to answer (very roughly) what would a successful Citizen/Mass Participation environment project look like?
The notes are nowhere near as clear as the liveblogging! The Unconference was run on the Open Space model, and session conveners were asked to summarise their group's output on the Etherpad. - Mark Wallace
There was an interesting keynote from Frank Kresin of the Waag Society (http://www.waag.org/person...) which seems to be having some success with this in the Netherlands. - Mark Wallace
And a discussion from the Climate Bubbles team on what they've learnt from the project so far. What did and didn't work was the underlying driver behind most of the Open Space discussions logged on the etherpad link above. - Mark Wallace
Thanks for posting these notes Mark, I couldn't make it on Saturday so I'll take a look through. - Martin Bryant
Frank Kresin has made his slides available here: http://www.slideshare.net/kresin... - Mark Wallace
Martin Bryant
FutureEverything: The summit may have finished but the conversation continues - by Sarah Hartley - http://community.futureeverything.org/pg...
FutureEverything: The summit may have finished but the conversation continues - by Sarah Hartley
It's been quite a couple of days and now the Social Media Summit is over - so time for the conversation to start. I'm going to take a few hours (and get a good night's sleep) to let all we've heard settle a little before blogging again. Inevitably, given my journalism work, I viewed a lot of what I've seen and heard through the lense of someone concerned with the distribution and accessibility of news and information. But there were so many themes and concerns which arose outside of these concerns just going to prove how valuable it is to hear different ideas, viewpoints, philosophies, people, professions etc. I feel suitably exposed! - Martin Bryant from Bookmarklet
Iphigenie
Gender gap: cant help to notice that futuresonic has 38 men and maybe 9 women (2 of which are in a man-woman team)
Considering this conference is as much about the social, public and art spheres as technology, I think it is not just in technology where women struggle to get the attention - Iphigenie
no apologies, these questions have to be pointed out. Age variety is good and ethnic variety could be better but the gender distribution really makes me wonder whether I should bother with some of my projects... will I need some kind of white male "anchor" just to get the attention on the scene? - Iphigenie
The point was raised and they did say that they really tried to invite more women as speakers but only 9 came - so in part at least women do it to ourselves. I'd love to figure out what the self-exclusion mechanism is here so that perhaps a different way can be found to invite women so they feel they can come and go up on stage and talk - Iphigenie
As I said yesterday Joelle, you should be a speaker yourself. Your arguments are 10 times more coherent than some of the Futuresonic speakers were! :) - Martin Bryant
Knowing me I would accept, then fret over it for weeks - but then I bet every speaker does that :) I *was* making it up as I went yesterday though, who knows the real reasons? But there's other things I could certainly happily talk about, or join in a panel. - Iphigenie
Joelle, on the contrary, I think that as a woman, you'll stand out. I think Barack Obama being black was also a story in itself. Indeed, for some minority you might be at a disadvantage, but I think the majority of people like the new and unexpected, like female "geeks". There are some female geeks doing really well on Twitter, although I think some are playing their sex-appeal heavily.... more... - Meryn Stol
Also, going in hard to *crush* stereotypes is kinda cool. :) - Meryn Stol
(some history: I've been part of the LAN gaming scene from some time, and while being dominated to the extreme by white males, the people were - almost without exception - very accepting towards girls. In fact, I think most girls had a blast with all the attention. Probably also a great way to pick up a cute geek. :P) - Meryn Stol
I would notice racial makeup first and then gender... - bcultral
Meryn: I was in a CS clan/notclan - and it didnt feel alll that much fun to me. Perhaps it has improved since 1999 :D I did not relish the 15 year olds in love with me for months, or the stalkers, or all the muppets in game that went "you're a girl?????" on and on (shut up i am trying to blast you) - or the weird thing people tended to say at RL meetups... or the people that expected you to be someone's girlfriend, and not the queen of Italy (a game map, not the country) - Iphigenie
Martin Bryant
As something of a blogging obsessive, the opportunity to spend two days writing about some of my favourite topics at the Futuresonic Social Technologies Summit was too good to pass up. On Thursday morning at the Contact Theatre, Sarah Hartley and I set up a ‘blogging booth’ at the back of Space One in the Theatre. A bit of sweet-talking to the technical staff even gained us a 4-way plug socket to charge our laptops. Being the seasoned journalist, Sarah opted to cover the Summit in a considered, reflective way - picking out the key stories and serving them up in easy-to-digest packages. I, meanwhile, being a real-time web junkie with the attention span of a fly with ADD, decided to liveblog the sessions. - Martin Bryant from Bookmarklet
My reflections on using FriendFeed as a liveblogging platform. Has anyone else tried this? How did you find it? - Martin Bryant
Iphigenie
Food for thought in room 3 this morning, ideas, research, concepts that tie in with my own thoughts, and playful creative challenges
will put up notes later, battery too low now - Iphigenie
still haven't... I know... - Iphigenie
Martin Bryant
Life map on Flickr - Photo Sharing! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Life map on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Graph charting 'right to talk about tech startups' taken by Sarah Hartley at one of the sessions today. I'd like to know more about this one! - Martin Bryant from Bookmarklet
Martin Bryant
Good to see an increasing number of people around the room with FriendFeed open! :)
i wonder if we might see some of the speakers jump in later at some point, and perhaps respond... one can dream - Iphigenie
The BBC speakers have read the liveblog of their talk and tweeted a link to it, which was nice. - Martin Bryant
Martin Bryant
#futr09 Liveblogging the Futuresonic Social Tech Summit Plenary
On the panel for the plenary we have Jamais Cascio, Sarah Hartley and Adam Greenfield - chaired by Drew Hemment. They're going to pull together the discussions of the last two days. - Martin Bryant
So, what's stood out? Adam: after his speech this morning he ran out for food so can't speak for the discussions that went on here. Adam: Last question to him was about sustainability. Struck a chord with the audience. We need to cut to the issues of saving the world, not open APIs. - Martin Bryant
Jamais: how do we deal with sustainability in a way that not only lets us survive but also improves the way we live. - Martin Bryant
Sarah has watched the whole conference from the point of view of how people access information. Public access to info is under threat - as newspapers close how will people get information if they can't access the internet? Talk about telling news stories through games was good - games aren't necessarily a trivial way to tell stories. - Martin Bryant
Sarah also was inspired by Adam's talk to think about how a netowkred city would affect news reporting. - Martin Bryant
Jamais - drunk heckler on first night showed that people are pushing back in anger and fear from helping save the world. Happens time and again. We have grown as a civilisation that can reshape the nature of nature but we have yet to develop the institutions to do this wisely. This will be the cornerstone issue of the 21st century. - Martin Bryant
Jamais - we're not doomed without recourse - at the end of 21st century we will have a better civilisation than we do now and just as populous. We have historic precedent of overcoming near-certain doom - volcanic explosions that threatened the globe - we survived. - Martin Bryant
Drew: Most important element of the summit is the 'social' element. - Martin Bryant
Opening to the floor for questions and comments... - Martin Bryant
Shaun Fensom: Agrees with Jamais - disruptive effect of social tech is changing the world. We're either going out with a bang or we'll turn it around and save ourselves. Jamais: "Pessimism is a luxury of good times". In bad times you *have* the have optimism. - Martin Bryant
Adam: there's a difference between pessimism and look at things as they are. - Martin Bryant
Drew: Privacy isn't being undermined - it's becoming a whole different 'thing'. Good and bad aspects to it. - Martin Bryant
Shaun Fensom: the pace of change is so fast that we have a responsibility to pply ourselves to use that technology to fix our problems. - Martin Bryant
Adam: uncomfortable when people say 'we'. Who is 'we', different people have different priorities. - Martin Bryant
Drew: A Nintendo Wii? :) - Martin Bryant
Q: Sarah asks for other people's take-home moments. - Martin Bryant
Drew wants the Future Everything online community to live beyond the festival: http://community.futureeverything.com/ - Martin Bryant
Adam calls for the 'speaker circuit' to be broken - we need the audience to propose themselves as speakers for the future. - Martin Bryant
Audience member finds Futuresonic too narrow. Saving the world not just a question of a technical fix. - Martin Bryant
Drew plugging tomorrow's Environment OpenLab. No difference between attendees and speakers. - Martin Bryant
Sarah: debate about optimism and pessimism - how do we engage with people who aren;t in the digerati and don't engage with these issues. Audience member: Audience is mainly white. He is often on of the only people of colour at conference he goes to. We need a broader range of people here - this will change the conversation and narrow gap between speakers and audience. Maybe lower tech presentations - there are ways of discussing the issues with a lower point of entry. - Martin Bryant
Adam: Jargon is a barrier to understanding. Defending the organisers' work at encouraging diversity. Conference circuit skewed in favour of men. Drew says they made an effort on diversity - relieved that they're not alone in struggling to attract female speakers. - Martin Bryant
Audience member: speakers in future shouldn't such a strong technical background to talk about issues that we all relate to. Drew: there is a certain value in drilling deep into a subject. Much more freeform than many tech conferences. - Martin Bryant
Another audience member gushes praise for the conference. - Martin Bryant
And we're done! - Martin Bryant
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