The speaker is an artist and professor. From Italy, lived and worked in the UK and US, now in Turkey - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

The main "questions" in the works and projects discussed are around: is there a conflict between real and virtual behaviours? how do things pass between virtual and real? what effect can one have on the other? who owns the space, controls the currents? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

context: in Turkey there is a growing censorship of the internet, esp. social/open sites like youtube, as they are perceived as a threat to the notion of statehood. - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

point: even though there are such censorship, even the prime minister has been known to use youtube to post his speeches etc. The law says one thing but people bypass it. There is a dislocation between law and reality, a habit of transgression - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

these dislocations and transgressions seem quite common around virtual media - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Project "artistic squatting" (this was the third and not the last time people talked about the issues of who owns the space..) http://maps.google.co.uk/maps... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Comment: The issue of who owns what virtual space, who controls what gets put where, and how it is all balanced is a tricky one that won't have an easy and immediate answer. - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

The report-issues approach of many social media - do they create, over time, a culture of delation? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

do we risk to end up with a "smallest common denominator" culture, how do we balance it all? How to preserve/allow space for transgression, art, alternatives? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Project: "Will Henry Jenkins hear of this?" - idea: nobody must tell Henry Jenkins about the message sent to him in a bottle, but films are posted online, people allowed to blog about it. How long will it take for him to one day find it? (In parallel it seems the bottle is also hoping to be passed from people to people to see if it gets to him, but I didnt quite get the mechanics of that experiment). There is a facebook group, blog posts (now there are notes here on FF too) - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

the motivation behind this is to test the fluidity and currents in the online world in a way, as well as the nature and content of the online ties. How is knowledge of a whimsical and "not-personally-relevant" (my interpretation here) passed about? (Probably the way this travels is more serendipity-linked than "actionable" information would be - my interpretation again) - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Point: This seems (and is) whimsical but it also gives an idea of how civic networking, how information could get to people without them knowing, asking, or even searching for it. Does it get there by all the side and byways, or does it get lost in the sea of information? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Point: we need high diversity networks. diversity means resilience. DIverse networks are harder to shut down, it is easier to bypass gatekeepers. (he has a rather kafkaian view of authority and governments - his words) - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

He also shared a story behind his interest in these points, which was that in spite of the huge wave of information, outrage, discussion etc. on the internet around Burma, not much could be done to help. A huge online storm but total futility in the end. The can you really make something happen in the real world via the virtual world without the recipient knowing or wanting it? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

further keywords: intersemiotic, transmedia, transgression, identity, transformation - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Comment: interesting to me is the overlap between this talk, the one by Stove Boyd and the one by Adam Greenfield - all struck me because of their focus on boundaries (perhaps it is only me seeing too much, since it is a theme which fascinates me from my studies of myth - the topics of boundaries, liminality, trickster/transgression themes and interstitial spaces). Stove Boyd spoke of edge and how people who live at the edge differ, and about the tension between transparency and control, openness and commercial. Adam Greenfield spoke about the inevitable "filling up" of everything in real life with networked components, and the risk that this not be accessible to the public versus the potential if they are made open resources. And then Lanfranco Aceti went over the same themes but focusing more on the boundary between real and virtual - and the theme of the risk of control, exploitation, and censorship. ANd how we must study the networks, find out what makes them fluid, open and resilient, and nurture that - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Very interesting points. I'm sure this is a very Western/Anglo view of mine, but it seems like technologically emerging countries are slow to realize they already missed the boat for the more attractive Orwellian control of their constituents' "reality". The notion of distributed file systems is very attractive to me in the context that decentraled data (or, "the truth") is much more secure. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

one of the points he was getting to, in a way, is a dream that the networks, systems and tools get build the right way, close-minded ignorance will become impossible - because information will circulate fluidly and if something is true you will just encounter it again and again. Nowadays it is easy to surround ourselves with people that read like us, talk like us, think like us (offline especially) - but with the right fluid network it might just not be easy in the future. And of course a fear that the total opposite could also happen? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Ah, yes, it is very easy to forget the effect assimilation of tech in more of our everyday lives has on the human social senses. These concepts and themes have been discussed for quite a while (as you are well aware). - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

I think that model of "truth" is how we've managed to bung things up so far, and it is one of the more essential points of perspective that apparently takes time for people to become familiar enough with to consider an alternative to "crowd-sourced truth" giving us a WikiReality. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

I'm only a shade-tree techie, such as it is. What's interesting to me, is that more of the tech-centric symposiums seem to include broader arrays of disciplines, and yet the questions are very similar. Or the questions might sound different, but the solutions are similar. I would really (really) like to believe it's a beginning of an evolution in thought and conscious (edit: and conscience, too). - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

That's what a lot of people were saying - this was a social media summit with the social meaning "society interface" more than the meaning of "interactive" it has in twitter and ff. I like you point about truth - i think we are not there yet with the way we deal with information, ideas, opinions. We went from 1-to-many, top down, broadcast knowledge to crowd-cleaned-up knowledge, but we'll get better models yet, to accommodate truth and diversity and the many levels of sophistication different people need... (all right, out of my depth here so shutting up) - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

found a tiny blog post by the speaker about his talk http://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/ee... ". The modalities within which new categories of web platforms create and manipulate collective behaviors are a great source of understanding of the politics of the future" (sounds a bit different from my notes) Note: I also spoke to him at beer time, but kept to my notes in here - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Wow, thanks Joelle. This is great stuff. Did he have any suggestions on 'The Right Way' to architect information systems? - Michael R. Bernstein

Joelle, did you take notes on the Stowe Boyd and Adam Greenfield talks? - Michael R. Bernstein

Joelle, thanks for the link to the speaker's blog post. I've been hearing a lot lately about the concerns that the allure of Western culture's instantaneous connectivity and socialization is a thinly veiled move toward cultural hegemony. Sounds like more Cold War claptrap to me. The grasp a society chooses to have on it's own cultural roots has never been in the hands of the leaders. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

Michael, I put my notes in Martin's notes, for Stowe Boyd it is here http://friendfeed.com/futures... and for Adam Greenfield http://friendfeed.com/futures... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Thanks Joelle - it's very kind of you to document the strands which I (and I'm sure others) missed. It rounds out the conference - and makes me question some of my attendance choices! - Mark Wallace from BuddyFeed

I got a nice email of thanks from the speaker today :D - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

This, for me, partially echoes some of Bourriaud's 'altermodern' themes - that we are past post- modernism, and that the artist becomes a nomad across space, time, and the real/virtual. Some of the works exhibited (esp. I think Seth Price and Simon Starling) emphasised the disconnect resulting from repeated journeys across the virtual/real border. I wonder if one role of the artist will become confronting the digital native with the real world, but in the language with which s/he is most comfortable. Which then, of course, leads back to the recurring Environment2.0/social technology theme. - Mark Wallace from BuddyFeed

(sorry, didn't make clear that Price, Starling comments reference the recent Tate Triennial curated by Bourriaud) - Mark Wallace from BuddyFeed

I think the artist has always been a boundary-crossing nomad, as you put it, between the real and the virtual (as in imagination / vision). The difference nowadays is that we all have a shared set of virtual worlds which are not imaginary... means everyone is crossing over without really thinking about it, and taking it for granted... and this certainly presents a whole new set of challenges? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

I should probably say that I am now involved in some of the current (linked to the Leonardo Electronic Almanac) and future projects - what a bar discussion at futuresonic/future everything can enable, who kows? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)