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All hairs cut
China Internet Rumors, Daniel Brusilovsky, simiore and 62 other people liked this
I need a haircut too. Thanks for reminding me.
- Benjamin Golub
It's much faster to dry this way. :)
- Eric Borisch
high and tight!
- MikeAmundsen
Things change, lately.
- Luca Sofri
This is by far the shortest my hair has been since I first got hair.
- Paul Buchheit
Hopefully you bought clippers and did this yourself. I've been doing it for several years now. I think I've spent $80 on two sets of clippers in the last couple years vs. $20-30 every three weeks for a hair cut. Plus you can't beat the drying time. ;)
- Bryan Zirkel
Did Facebook acquire them?
- Jesse Stay
#1 all over?
- Eric Borisch
#1 all over for me.
- Bryan Zirkel
#1 for me as well. Alot easier to maintain.
- Bryan Lee
#4 here. Who needs hair stylists?
- Mark Trapp
no guard for me either.
- metalerik
You look really young like that. :-)
- Gabor Cselle
woah, nice. Lots of shaved heads at fb
- Ivan Kirigin
so..... facebook is like boot camp? this is my profile, there are many like it but this one is mine!
- Chris Heath
It's the summer cut, no doubt. I assume this would not work from December to March.
- Louis Gray
yikes it's super hot here in SF
- anna sauce
oh come on shave it all buddy! :P
- Brady
@Louis Gray - depends on your locale. I wear it year round in LA. I wore it year round is SF too, but usually wore a beanie in the winter. :)
- Bryan Zirkel
I get my hair cute on Monday. No more pesky rat-tail!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
For me, #3 all over, except for #4 on the top. And #1 on the goatee unless I want to look more distinguished and I grow it out to #2.
- Kevin Fox
I do a winter cut and summer cut where I can actually grow hair -- beard in the winter (good for MN) and clean shaven in the summer. But the top is always a #1...
- Eric Borisch
Looks younger :)
- Justin Lin
"I WANNA BE YER DRILL INSTRUCTOR!"
- Andrew Terry
Almost time for the annual shearing...
- Ted Russ
What's left should become a new color (don't forget to also dye your eyebrows).
- Clare Dibble
I cut my own hair in college once. It got a lot shorter when my girlfriend tried to fix it. I learned not to cut your own hair, and also not to let your girlfriend cut your hair. Two valuable lessons.
- Cristo
Ok for those that buzz cut their own hair. How do you trim around the ears and the back of the neck?
- Bryan Lee
Bryan: there are special attachments for the ears, and for the neck, I use a second mirror and a trimmer (smaller, battery powered version of the buzzer).
- Mark Trapp
High forehead. :)
- Morton Fox
reMail 2.0 Nails Full-Text Search For The iPhone - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Robert Scoble, Darren Heydon, Taras Brizitsky and 17 other people liked this
"The new version of reMail downloads the entire contents of your Mailbox — every single message — onto your iPhone, which it then stores locally. That may sound undesirable for those of us with large Email boxes that are many gigabytes large, but the reMail team has done an excellent job at compressing data for its search index: Cselle says that they’ve managed to squeeze 100,000 Emails into 500 megabytes (most Email accounts are only a fraction of that size). ... Of course, the iPhone 3.0 software update finally introduced Email search to the iPhone, which may lead some people to wonder why reMail is even necessary. Cselle points out a few major benefits: for one, reMail’s search is around five times faster than the iPhone’s, and it searches full-text (the iPhone only searches headers). And reMail retains its full functionally offline, while the iPhone’s search often requires a data connection to search older messages."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Go Gabor!
- Paul Buchheit
Sweet! I just discovered reMail a few days ago when browsing your CrunchBase profile. You, Sanjeev, and YCombinator fronted the seed money eh?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Maybe I'll have to try out the app myself.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel: Yup, it was Paul + Sanjeev + YCombinator :-)
- Gabor Cselle
"... it was a surprisingly common complaint — people are just unwilling to hand over that login data (which is probably a good thing). Fortunately, reMail 2.0 does away with this problem. ..." Gabor did you build the iPhone app because of this?
- Peter Renshaw
Peter: Well that's why I RE-built the whole thing.
- Gabor Cselle
Wow... This is an awesome idea! Gotta try it on my 32Gb iPhone
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Long-term capital gains is neither income nor a loophole.
Helen Sventitsky and Alex Scoble liked this
Capital gains is income but not a loophole.
- Alex Scoble
I believe that LTCG taxes are set too low, but in the mean time, I tell all startup employees to take advantage of it: http://piaw.blogspot.com/2009...
- Piaw Na
LTCG are both.
- Todd Hoff
(Deleted my silly comment after realizing this turned into a real conversation)
- Mike Reynolds
Todd, thanks for that in depth explanation. I suppose people risking capital makes no difference to you then, and you'd rather they put their money in to tax free muni bonds.
- Cristo
There are two parts to a capital gain. One is a real increase in asset value and the other is a nominal increase in the price of an asset due to inflation. You get taxed the same on both even though you really only benefit from the former.
- Morton Fox
I think people risking capital know what they're doing. Certainly, whether LTCG taxes are 20% or 25% makes no difference to my investments.
- Piaw Na
10-13% more makes a difference in my investments, and it also instructs me when to sell. Luckily I know when to sell al my stocks before rates go up.
- Cristo
For most investments, whether you picked the right one makes more difference than a 10% difference in cap gains. If you owned Berkshire Hathaway all through the 90s, I doubt if 20% or 30% cap gains would have made any difference to your final net worth. Now, to encourage long term investing, I do believe that LT CG should be lower, but how much lower? 15% is probably way too low. 25% would be fine. 35% would be no discount versus ST CG.
- Piaw Na
Piaw, you don't always make money, sometimes you lose it. I've lost lots of money, and $3000 carried forward as a loss every year doesn't buy all that much. Investing capital is a risk, and it should be rewarded more than just ordinary income, otherwise, I'd rather just hang on to my money.
- Cristo
Another difference (aside from incentives) is to change the size of the investment pool. Increasing ltcg decreases the total amount of money invested because much of those ltcg would be re-invested. Every tax has problems like this though, so there really is no "right" answer.
- Paul Buchheit
Investment income isn't income? What's your definition of income then? Also, I assume you mean LTCG taxes aren't a loophole. Clearly LTCGs aren't. So I disagree with you, but I certainly think estate taxes are taxes on something other than income. "Tax what comes in, tax what goes out, and tax what is saved, too." Why not just devalue the dollar 5% a year and print 5% of the total US assets for government use instead of taxing anything at all? (joke)
- Kevin Fox
Kevin, no offense, but I'm not nominating you as treasury secretary with that plan. :) My definition of income is what is taxed as ordinary income. It's not discretionary in the same way as investment income. I should have been more clear.
- Cristo
It needs to be taxed or it will become a larger loophole. If not taxed. executives of a large corporations can simply take more of their income in stock. Then only sell after the appropriate time has elapsed. Thus having gaining huge tax advantage over you and I.
- Dario Gomez
I favor a wealth tax, like the Swiss and no capital gains taxes of any kind.
- Private Sanjeev
Dario, if they are given stock, they will be taxed on that stock when it is given as income. Sanjeev, you too are not on my treasury nomination list. :)
- Cristo
Don't the Swiss have a big problem with people hiding their wealth though?
- Paul Buchheit
No, Paul...WE have that problem thanks to the Swiss. :)
- Alex Scoble
It's hard to hide wealth without using a broker or bank. As long as these have reporting requirements you'll catch most cases. You won't catch the guy with gold buried in his yard but that won't be lots of people.
- Private Sanjeev
What is the rate of wealth taxes on the Swiss?
- Cristo
I think it's ~0.5% per year.
- Private Sanjeev
Except for those banks that refuse to disclose because they are in countries that allow that sort of thing, Sanjeev.
- Alex Scoble
Alex: I heard there weren't any of those left anymore... Seriously.
- Brian Johns
look, obviously the swiss have solved it, right?
- Private Sanjeev
I'm pretty sure there are still tax havens available for the right price in the Caymans, but I could be mistaken.
- Alex Scoble
Sanjeev: Keep in mind no capital gains tax is for individuals. Corporations and professional traders pay income tax on cap gains. Wealth tax rate is between 0.0002 and 0.003% of your wealth, to be paid once / year. The actual rate depends on the canton (state) you live in.
- Gabor Cselle
Also, depending on the canton, you only pay wealth tax if your total wealth is above a certain limit. In Zurich, that limit is CHF 71k, in Ticino CHF 201k. 1 CHF == $0.92
- Gabor Cselle
Wondering what the corporate web watchers will think when they see me googling "tax shelter" and "hiding large sums of money" while on work time...
- Brian Johns
Actually, the 0.003% number was wrong, it's up to 0.008%. Definitely not 0.5% as Sanjeev quoted. Graph here: http://bit.ly/OqaXM (German)
- Gabor Cselle
Wow, I didn't realize it was that low. Even Cristo would dig a tax structure like that :)
- Private Sanjeev
A little different than the UK in the seventies, where there was a surcharge on investment income above and beyond regular income tax: "In 1974 the top-rate of income tax increased to 83%. This applied to incomes over £20,000 [$46,000], and combined with a 15% surcharge on 'un-earned' income (investments and dividends) could add to a 98% marginal rate of personal income tax" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Simon
Sanjeev, while I'm against wealth taxes in principle, I could live with 0.008%. :) Simon, I will not be moving to the UK in the seventies.
- Cristo
Cristo I gave the same indepth explanation you gave.
- Todd Hoff
Todd, good. I'm glad you agree with me then.
- Cristo
LTCG is incentivized(made up word I think) income to encourage investment.
- Geoff Schultz
Y Combinator’s ReMail Finally Brings Full-Text Email Search To The iPhone - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Darren Heydon, Chris Rossini, nazeee and 30 other people liked this
"ReMail has just released its application on the App Store, and it’s bringing full text Email search to the iPhone. The application is currently free during its Beta period, and you can grab it here. ... Spotlight omits the actual Email message, which accounts for a sizable chunk of an Email’s content. ... It works exactly as it should, offering suggestions as you type your query and presenting matches as threads so you can see the context that a result was found in. If you search for “Jason inbox”, it knows that you’re looking for a person named Jason in the folder “inbox”. While the application requires internet connectivity if you want to search through your whole inbox, for most queries you won’t need a connection. ReMail has built in smart caching that locally stores all messages from the last two weeks, as well as any messages you’ve previously searched for (people often search for the same messages multiple times to look up things like phone numbers).
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
I've been waiting for this forever, but it strikes me as something that Apple will eventually include in the builtin mail client.
- Ray Cromwell
There's a server component as well, which is a bigger problem for Apple. I agree though that the product will have to continue improving, which is their plan.
- Paul Buchheit
I'm not quite clear why the server component is required. IMAP supports full body message search already. Did they just build an IMAP proxy server which tries to implement SEARCH BODY/TEXT more efficiently than some older servers, or is it a proprietary extension? Paul, might I suggest that they take a look at the IETF Lemonade Profile for mobile IMAP and implement many of the...
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- Ray Cromwell
Ray - thanks for your questions. IMAP servers today typically don't have fast full-text search. Interestingly, even Gmail's SEARCH BODY implementation is dog slow. reMail also has a component that the article touched on only briefly: The server in between figures out which emails you're likely to search for and syncs those to the iPhone, thus allowing good offline search, and not just of the most recent 25-50 messages that the iPhone caches. Lastly, can you send me a link to the IETF Lemonade Profile info?
- Gabor Cselle
I agree, some of them are slow, but the privacy issues scare me, and if I were an enterprise, I'd be more interested in buying the ReMail proxy and hosting it myself rather than hosting it in the cloud, it might even be possible to target it at Sarbanes-Oxley compliance somehow, just an idea. Would it be possible to have an option in the client to not use the proxy if you have a fast IMAP server?
- Ray Cromwell
As an aside, I worked on Push-IMAP/Lemonade at Oracle (proxy approach too), and there are a number of nice things that would be good for iPhone clients: Server-side attachment conversion (IMAP CONVERT), IMAP COMPRESS, server-side forwarding (CATENATE/BURL), quick-resync with CONDSTORE, more efficient search with NOTIFY/CONTEXT, named searches (virtual folders) through FILTER. I always wished someone would pick these up and implement them.
- Ray Cromwell
Wait, you can't currently search your email on an iPhone?? - signed, non-iPhone user
- Jennie Lin
hehe, you have to use Safari + Gmail :) Actually, I'm surprised ReMail is allowed by Apple. There was some previous guy who did an IMAP client, and Apple rejected it because they apparently didn't want people competing with the builtin apps.
- Ray Cromwell
paying 4 bucks a month for email search? well I guess I'll continue using gmail's search :)
- Michael Kamleitner
from Alert Thingy
Ray - good idea, we're actually thinking about licensing the reMail server to companies. :-) As for your other comment, reMail on the phone is not an IMAP client ... the reMail Server is. That's why Apple let us in the App Store IMHO.
- Gabor Cselle
I think you are supposed to be able to search the email server with the new Spotlight in iPhone 3.0 (as well as the 50 or so downloaded ones). I seem to remember someone specifying this.
- Thomas Bøhm
from BuddyFeed
@Gabor, ahh, I see, nice hack around the AppStore. Is it as simple as that? If you tunnel say, IMAP-style commands over your own custom HTTP/XML/JSON protocol, Apple won't bother you? Good luck on ReMail, hope it takes off!
- Ray Cromwell
Talking about emailing, it'd nice to see Friendfeed importing my inbox also. Then, I really dont have to visit another web page.
- Burcu Dogan
Facebook's Dream vs. Reality - http://www.gaborcselle.com/blog...
Alice, MicahBear78, Darren Heydon and 37 other people liked this
Just for the record, the reason why I didn't include FriendFeed is because it's much less annoying than the other two - I don't get spammed with annoying notifications every single day.
- Gabor Cselle
Friendfeed etiquette question - if there's more activity on Kevin's sharing of the link, even though Gabor wrote/posted the original content - where I should I leave my comment? Is there a "right" place to have a discussion?
- Adam Kazwell
I keep my email & my FriendFeed open all day. Not so for Facebook (I go to it when I get an email notification) or Twitter (don't use it).
- Jess Lee
Adam raises a good question. Would be neat if comments for the same post would be aggregated to one thread...maybe first time a link is posted or some such.
- Neal Jansons
I'm like Jess, except I turned Facebook notifications off.
- Cristo
I'm like Jess, except dumber and not as good looking.
- Jim Norris
We've all drawn this diagram at least once in some meeting or other. :)
- Jonathan Terleski
Jon...lol, not exactly the same, but I think every social tech professional has had to do the "social media industry ecosystem" diagram, that's for sure.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Jim, I'm tempted to edit my comment to make yours sound more funny, but that would be juvenile. :)
- Cristo
I like it, but I think you're confusing the delivery method with the hub. Nobody hangs out in email for any other reason than to find somewhere else to go. It's like saying roundabouts are extremely popular hangouts.
- Daniel Miessler
@Chris, Juvenile, but funny, especially after ff ads the wikihistory button
- j1m
@Daniel, you either spend 1000x less time on email than I do, or you're a very poor driver.
- j1m
Who *hasn't* spent all day circling roundabouts, and then wondered where the time went?
- ⓞnor
I want to "like" this post, but especially for the comments! Thanks for the afternoon chuckles, folks :)
- Adam Lasnik
Facebook's Dream vs. Reality - http://www.gaborcselle.com/blog...
karl dotter, Louis Gray and Adam Kazwell liked this
Like was said in the comments, maybe something like Friendfeed is the next hub, but right now it seems like something's missing from their product to be a viable alternative to email. It's not quite chatty enough to replace email...and it's too chatty to replace feed readers :) No good suggestions/alternatives yet, but I thought that mym.com (from Yahoo!) was a step in the right direction. also, FF-ers....do you guys use email when communicating internally, or has it been replaced by FF?
- Adam Kazwell
Well, what if you could import your email into FF? I.e. via the Gmail Atom feed? (Just a random thought)
- Gabor Cselle
I'd prefer it the other way around - although I don't know if the two are meant to mix.
- Adam Kazwell
Obama names Schmidt, Mundie as advisors | The Industry Standard - http://www.thestandard.com/news...
Shailesh S. Khandekar, Mark Douglass, Daniel Feygin and 7 other people liked this
"Google CEO Eric Schmidt and Microsoft Chief Research and Strategy Officer Craig Mundie are two of the twenty people named to President Barack Obama's new President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology, or PCAST."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
It would be interesting to hear what they agree and disagree on.
- Cristo
Sridhar's reaction to this: "Oh, did Mundie change his glasses?"
- Gabor Cselle
Craig S: "Google's #1 reason for success was that they made a product that journalists loved to use."
Высший разум сообщает, Alex Kapranoff, Amit Patel and 3 other people liked this
Was Craig's talk rescheduled?
- Paul Buchheit
Paul: Not that I know of, it was always scheduled for yesterday. Did you accidentally miss it?
- Gabor Cselle
At the YC dinner listening to Paul Buchheit (creator of google).
Prakash Swaminathan, Sebastien, Anne Bouey and 9 other people liked this
Creator of google?
- Paul Buchheit
The legend grows with every Tweet ;)
- Bret Taylor
Paul is BIG time.
- Ryan Kuder
the definition of "mad props?"
- MG Siegler
I had no idea!
- Aaron Draczynski
Before Google, he invented the Internet.
- anna sauce
They say the universe has a creator. C'mon fess up.
- Alex Gawley
I heard he created the telephone, that bastard Alexander Bell stole it from him.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Paul Buchheit created digits, binary, and our numbering system based on 10. Thank you, Paul.
- Pete Delucchi
I heard he also created some other site - Twitter maybe?
- Gabor Cselle
Paul created the original alphabet, but it was too advanced for society at the time so they had to dumb it down.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Did he come up with the series of tubes thing too?
- Niall Smart
I don't believe he created anything. I mean come on - the guy rarely gets up before noon! Every body knows that the early bird gets the worm!
- Robert Felty
Congratulations, Paul & Jessica!! Welcome to the world, George!
Ethan Herdrick, J.D. Zamfirescu, Robby Walker and 27 other people liked this
Born at 04:44 on Saturday, 1/24. 8lbs. 10oz.
- April Buchheit
That's a big baby!
- Paul Buchheit
Yeah! That's almost twice Thomas's birth weight and 7lbs. more than Camilla's.
- April Buchheit
Congrats!
- Daniel Ha
Congratulations, Jessica and Paul! Its a great, fun ride :)
- Toby DiPasquale
Yay! Congrats!
- Akshay Dodeja
Congratulations!
- Gabor Cselle
Congrats!!
- Ashwin Bharambe
Congrats!!
- Danish Khan
Congratulations!
- Paul Boehm
Congrats!
- Robby Walker
Shoot, there's already a @fakesacca.
Igor Poltavskiy, Adam Kazwell and Tudor Bosman liked this
Did you miss the fakesacca discussion at dinner?
- Paul Buchheit
It somehow seemed original and new and fresh. It wasn't.
- Gabor Cselle
Man, how many people had this same idea?? (and also - at what point does one's personality become fake-able?)
- Adam Kazwell
holy crap, GOOG is under $300
Gabor Cselle liked this
Holy crap indeed. I would now be >$150 underwater.
- Gabor Cselle
Software Engineer at KaChing Inc. - http://www.linkedin.com/in...
Chris Wetherell, Sanjeev Singh, Kushal Dave and 2 other people liked this
Congrats! Why'd you leave the goog?
- Gabor Cselle
Hmm, Pascal-Louis is there too, right? You guys will be a JS compiler power-house :)
- Mihai Parparita
I've decided that I prefer small companies, and this one sounded exciting.
- Jared Jacobs
Yes, Pascal's here. Mike Tsao too. And a couple others I've come to respect quickly. With any luck you'll hear about us in the news by the end of the year! :)
- Jared Jacobs
Good luck!
- Sanjeev Singh
At ycombinator demo day.
Paul Buchheit and Jim Norris liked this
Neha, are you an investor now? :-)
- Gabor Cselle
it's so much easier than actually building something :)
- Neha Narula
A New Company - http://www.gaborcselle.com/blog...
Ashwin Bharambe, Alex Kapranoff, Michael Hocter and 8 other people liked this
Wow, the news is out. Exciting times!
- Gabor Cselle
How long does it take to develop a "good" product? Google search took at least 3 years (1996-1999) and Gmail was about 2.5 years (2001-2004). How about others?
Jorge Barba, Beau "Slick Foot" Liening, Marc Dong and 58 other people liked this
how long did FriendFeed take?
- Jamie
I'm guessing that the iPhone was under development for at least several years before 1.0 was released. FriendFeed is less than a year old -- I bet that it will be a lot better when it is two years old.
- Paul Buchheit
But as you know well, Gmail have got quite many updates after that (but most of them could be counted as minor fixes probably). Just saying that product is good only if it's been maintained. ;)
- Daniel Schildt
Does good mean, good enough to go live? I'm a little confused by how good is evaluated. Our hotels meta-search product (wego.com/hotels) has been around for about 2 years now, but we did a re-write a couple of months and it's much much better than before, but still don't know whether it compares to GMail's 2004 level of goodness, or Google's 1999 level of goodness.
- arunthampi
Yes, of course good products must continue to improve. The Google of 1999 wasn't very good by today's standards either. It only searched about 70 million pages, for example (vs maybe 20 billion now).
- Paul Buchheit
arunthampi, I'm thinking of products that will stand out and have significant impact on the world.
- Paul Buchheit
FriendFeed have been under development for just little bit of time but considering that amount it has gone greatly forward. I wish it will develop to even more advanced (but still usable) tool for keeping persons updated without too much of information flow. I wish there would be more features for filtering of information that user could set and control from settings.
- Daniel Schildt
2-3 years. Based on Moore's law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Igor Poltavskiy
I started eventseer.net 9 years ago, but it wasn´t until recently it became good (after Thomas took over 3 years ago).
- Amund Tveit
Habari has been in development for about 18 months. It's a "good product" now (though with pretty low market penetration :) but it will be a lot better in a year.
- Michael C. Harris
I think the iPhone was under (serious) development for 3 years prior to its launch last June.
- Jamie
@Paul, ah in terms of significant impact, maybe we don't measure up (as yet) but im guessing that will happen very soon :)
- arunthampi
It depends on what you mean by "good product". Good for lead users? Good for a distinct social milieu? Good for the masses? Also I believe it is very hard to tell when a product has been finished. Gmail 2010 won't be the same as Gmail 2008.
- Benedikt Koehler
"Good to use" is not universal since different people have different need and for some of them, tool can be always difficult to use.
- Daniel Schildt
Software is generally asymptotic to good, (isn't it?) because as software gets better it attracts more users, each of whom has a slightly different definition of "good". But some more random examples: Windows 1 -> Windows 3 == 5 years; Unix 1969 -> 1985 (by which time it was clear it was dominating workstations except for DEC); Linux on the desktop 1991 -> 2007 (Ubuntu 7); Mozilla/Firefox 1998->2005. It's pretty clear that web software matures quicker than desktop.
- Nick Lothian
if you write software you should consider your users as BORC, not those weak dumb individualistic humans. that way you write software that fulfills needs. the more streamlined your BORG can do it the better. leave the task to make pretty buttons to the designers. the last step would be to imagine a human again and make your software human/error-proof.
- Chris Hofmann
It looks like the incandescent light bulb was around for 75 years before it was commercialize-able: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Clare Dibble
Game development is about 2-3 years but not sure if there's much correlation of development time to quality.
- Chris Bentzel
Human brain software takes 2–3 years before it is able to reasonably control its host human.
- Amit Patel
how long does it take for a good product to go bad or rot? Why do some products still remain relevant after many years?
- Shakeel Mahate
The first fax machine was sold in 1861.
- Seth
I heard Writely was built and sold (to Google) in 10 months
- Stewart Rogers
Interesting question, but I can't answer it because I can't figure out how long anything has been in development other than by the community of people who are working on it, but then I can't correct for the bakedness of ideas when a community starts. And then I'm not sure which of the ideas in the bundle that is a product was really important to its success. Hmm.
- Daniel Dulitz
I think it's a question that can be answered historically, if you look at the time from when a group of people commit themselves to the realization of some idea, to the time when a similar group with a similar idea make an impact on the world. The answer for software *seems* to be 2-3 years, much of which is spent fumbling around in an unfamiliar space. For new drugs or new modes of transportation or new paradigms in visual art or whatever the time is different, and there's a lot of variance in any case.
- ⓞnor
based on the startups i've seen over the years, 1 yr to prove the concept and 2 yrs to fully launch first "stable" iteration, then improvements from there on out to succeed (definition of success differs based on model/plan) - that'd be my swag of it...
- mike "glemak" dunn
I like this topic Paul -- don't see it delved into all that much, at least in places that I tend to keep my eyes on
- Eric Berlin
great topic.. longevity is key to successful product. if you are working on something new (not a copy of something else), you got to factor in some iteration time as well. It's interesting that many here are coming out at the same 2-3 year time frame - i agree also
- Travis Parsons
I've been PM for an enterprise software suite for 8+ years now and it's taken that long for it to mature to the point where large corporate customers around the globe are deploying it for mission critical applications. We've gone through 4 major releases and countless minor/dot releases in that time. This is technology that originally was developed by a startup back in the 1996-2000 timeframe that was bought and sold via M&A activity 3 times in just over 8 years.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
“software is lettuce, not gold” (Brian Behlendorf) so perhaps it's never good.. particularly if you are marketing guy facing ever-changing competition
- Travis Parsons
I'd say 2-3 years easily, just to get real traction and work out the kinks before the product really starts to mature (if it's any good to start with). If you're out too early and it stinks and everyone bails on it, what's the point? (Case study: Friendster.)
- Brandon Uttley
somewhere between 3 days and 3 years
- grag
Varies. You can nail it first time (rare) or you can work toward it from a decent base. The latter generally happens in the 2-3 year range. If it takes longer nobody adopts it unless they have to (or if they can change it).
- xero
it depends on the company ( big, small or a startup) usually when big/established companies trie to build a product in a market which already has competitors, they try to make it game-changing (a.l.a iphone), or differntiate it ( gmail ) and this means spending sometime on the product to get it right and better. Also, big companies have the advantage of scale means they will have a user...
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- Krishna Gade
Until it's ready. Sort of like toasting a piece of bread.
- Ryan Massie
Seems to me like it should be possible to develop software of low complexity in less than the 2-3 year range cited here. For example, Reddit was developed pretty quickly (3 months?), and Twitter must have taken only a few weeks. Of course, once that's successfull, you need to iterate and scale, but that's another topic I think.
- Gabor Cselle
Reddit's initial version supposedly took 3 weeks, according to Spez. The fastest I've done anything that got any sort of attention was 1 week - Scrutiny, ArcLite, and Randomicity all took almost exactly that long, and it looks like my FriendFeed interview question will too. Of course, they needed (and sometimes didn't get) lots more time before they'd actually be useful.
- Jonathan Tang
baby
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Wow! That was fast! Great job, Paul and April! Height and weight?
- Louis Gray
Congrats!
- Benjamin Golub
Congrats!!!
- Dan Hsiao
Wow! This is like baby overload all of a sudden.
- Brandon Titus
Congratulations! Why do I have the opening from the Six-Million Dollar Man playing in my head?
- Mark Trapp
that really was fast. Congrats!
- Robert Seidman
Congrats Paul and April!
- Hutch Carpenter
Congrats! Second delivery this week on Friendfeed! Just plain awesome.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
@Mark because you're old? Congrats, Paul!
- Zach Landes
Congrats! Now we need baby pics.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Congrats! All these babies are making me feel domestic and stuff. I should go do some manly stuff like change my oil.
- Ha3rvey (obviously wrong)
That *was* fast. Congrats and hope everyone's doing well!
- Carla Thompson
@harveysimmons Typical guy comment ;) Congrats. I want a baby damn it!
- Michelle Marie Miller
@Harvey, change a diaper instead. It's a safe middle ground.
- Louis Gray
How is the baby? Everything OK?
- RAPatton
Congratulations :)
- kbourke
Felecitations les Buchheits! :)
- directeur
Congrats!
- Michelle Martinez
Congrats Paul we all welcome the newest FriendFeeder!
- Mark Krynsky
wow! Congrats
- Bindu Reddy
Congratulations!
- Cyndy
congrats! hope everybody is healthy and happy
- David Vasileff
Whole-hearted congrats and hope the baby is well......
- Chris Reed
Congrats! A brand new social media user. :)
- Dana Franks
from twhirl
Congratulations:)
- Zahra HB
Congrats!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Congratulations April and Paul! How is little Beavis doing?
- Jim Norris
woo-hoo! Congratulations Mr. Paul!
- JA Castillo
wonderful news! congrats
- Peter Fenton
Fantastic!
- Mitchell Tsai
Congratulations!
- Benedikt Koehler
So great
- Christopher Sacca
:)
- edythe
Welcome Baby Buchheit! I hope mom and baby are both doing well.
- Clare Dibble
Mazel Tov! Welcome, Beavis.
- Gabe
Congrats!
- EricaJoy
Congrats!
- Steve Rubel
I'm happy to see the extraction was successful. Congratulations,
- Robert Felty
Congrats! Mabrook!
- Mohamed J
Congratulations!
- Anne Bouey
Congratulations!!
- Gabor Cselle
Awesome!
- Thomas Hawk
con'grats!!
- Peter Dawson
Congrats!
- Mike Doeff
Hey Paul, congrats!
- dario
congratulations!
- Sarah Perez
that's awesome :) congratulations!!!
- Georges Harik
congrats!
- Derek Collison
Conga-rats! Yay!!!
- Lisa L. Seifert
Congratulations!
- Sam Harmon
Congratulations ;)
- Alejandro
Fantastic!
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Congrats!
- Igor Poltavskiy
WOW... a BABY Buchheit entered the world while I wasn't looking...amazing! great secret there Paul!! Congratulations on your new addition to your family!! :-)
- Susan Beebe
Congrats! :)
- Aviv
Thanks everyone!
- Paul Buchheit
I wish all good things for the new life.
- Daniel Schildt
Wow, Mazel Tov!
- Paul Haahr
congrats Paul and April!
- Loic Le Meur
Very happy FriendFeed stayed up and fast through the WWDC. Good work, everyone at the FriendFeed HQ!
Tyler Gillies, Mohamed J, Arjun and 114 other people liked this
rock solid
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Go FriendFeed!!!! EPIC WIN!
- Steve Isaacs
FriendFeed was rock solid throughout. Way to go Bret, Paul, and the rest of the FriendFeed team.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I never had any doubts. Nice job, guys.
- Louis Gray
Love Ya Friendfeed!
- Parth Awasthi
from twhirl
Indeed ! that's was very nice! Have you done anything special about this Bret? (Like twitter's folks)
- directeur
very nice. anyone could guess Friendfeed would make it.
- SolidSmack
from twhirl
way to keep the fail whales away
- Jeremy Raines
We did move a few things around, but nothing temporary - the event inspired us to optimize a few things we had been meaning to optimize anyway.
- Bret Taylor
yay scalability!
- Neha Narula
Bret: Big! Congrats! You've done a very nice job ! :)
- directeur
I guess that I will be hanging out with ya'll for the rest of the day. :)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
FriendFeed FTW!
- mathew ingram
unlike the oh so much stress Twitter will be having FriendFeed will be up and running
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I'd like to second this notion: well done Friendfeed, you guys have your shit together and I respect that.
- ryangraves
Rob (Radez) actually just said the same thing. Good work, guys!
- Gabor Cselle
Even wordpress hosted sites are down! FF is well hosted and manged!
- Lakshman Prasad
from twhirl
well done you guys.
- Tsega Dinka
Me think FriendFeed cousin Googawl...
- directeur
It rocked... simply the best place for live updates.
- Vince DeGeorge
FF rox!
- anna sauce
This was great! FF had updates faster than the folks liveblogging the event.
- Jennifer Dittrich
ya, man, FriendFeed Rocks!
- Ralph Poole
from twhirl
Kudos..It was your stress test
- Varun Mahajan
nothing beats FF!
- Dieter Schwarz
FriendFeed triumphs yet again
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
well done! friendfeed deserves all the hype it can get!
- Chris Hofmann
Does it count as hype if it's true?
- Amit Patel
pity we cannot say the same for twitter :)
- Photo Larry
from twhirl
Amit: A wise man once said it isn't bragging if it is true.
- Russellreno
Done reading Sarah Lacy's Web 2.0 book.
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and? is it worth reading?
- Adam Kazwell
It's pretty interesting in that it suceeds at portraying the web 2.0 personalities. On the other hand, Sarah glossed over much of the startup mechanics, i.e. actually building the product, raising money, etc. - the non glam stuff.
- Gabor Cselle
have you ever read any of Po Bronson's Silicon Valley stuff? Does Lacy's book match/exceed his work?
- Adam Kazwell
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