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Survey Reveals Consumers Don't Want To Pay More Than $99 For An eReader [Ebooks] - http://gizmodo.com/5351931...
gulp
- mike "glemak" dunn
It could be an even worse scenario when you consider that newspaper publishers need large format displays in order to maintain the experience of a newspaper in digital form. Big displays can be really pricey as we've seen with the Kindle DX and Plastic Logic Reader.
- John Federico
My Snow Leopard casualties: what's not working in 10.6 - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
Daniel Rowley, Marco ILLESCAS, Judith Gerdin and 2 other people liked this
Given the little you get from Snow Leopard and the significant number of incompatibilities it causes, I'm really surprised that so many are upgrading.
- Leo Laporte
I will pay any company for an upgrade that makes their software (and my system) slimmer & faster. (Which doesn't excuse them for not getting it right the first time...) That said, the incompatibilities are a real PITA. I haven't been effected to a great extent, but many have.
- John Federico
After hearing TWIT and seeing comments on teh FFs I'm thinking about canceling my order and using the money to buy an external drive instead. >.>
- pitlord
Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones, but I've had no significant compatibility problems, and I use a bunch of audio gear (Firewire) and software plugins that had problems with 10.5 when it first came out. This had me using Tiger on my production box for several months before upgrading. I guess I was lucky with 10.6 (I checked for official compatibility and did a backup before upgrading, and everything either just-worked or needed a small update).
- G. Sigh
No major casualties...but I lost iStat menus (which was helpful for monitoring hard drive space and especially useful now that Snow Leopard measures it accurately), Cocktail (which would keep the new snappy things snappy), and half of the things I've purchased from MacHeist in the last couple of offerings (varied utilities and multimedia apps). The biggest casualty was my...
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- Drew McKechnie
I haven't upgraded yet, but thanks to your post I'll monitor how Adobe's Apps and my modest scripts collection behave... luckily I've started full back-up on mu time capsule to do a clean install. Did you did the clean install?
- Marco ILLESCAS
Anecdotal, I know, but I've not had one single problem.
- Paul Grav
Marco - I always perform a clean install. Helps get rid of junk and conflicts.
- John Federico
I did my research before upgrading, so I haven't had any troubles. I don't mind running Safari in 32-bit until my plugins update, and all of my other apps are working great. Everything feels snappier, and I do like all the little changes, especially the new Expose features and the overhaul to how Services work. That said, I realize that not everyone's experience is going well, and...
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- David Chartier
from iPhone
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- John Federico
Steve Rubel asks: "How many of you have ditched RSS for Twitter - and if so why?" (via http://friendfeed.com/e...)
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Steve is a smart guy but this is a DUMB question. Have you ditched FTP? SMTP? HTTP? HTML? Those questions make no sense -- of course you haven't ditched them. Twitter uses SMTP and HTTP and HTML and guess what it uses RSS too.
- Dave Winer
Dave, you are right. Perhaps the question should have been "have you ditched an RSS reader in favor of a Twitter client?"
- Steve Rubel
Twitter! It's smarter and faster.
- Igor Poltavskiy
yep - rarely look at the RSS reader now, and always clicking on links in Twitter
- Ed Beard
@DaveWiner it is not a dumb question. RSS is not like HTTP or FTP? (and I know who you are ;), they are core communication proctols (built albeit on other lower lever comms) - RSS is another layer above that, is it not? Everyone associates RSS with blogging and blog readers and publishing, so yes I have pretty much dumped RSS for the timebeing.
- Paul Kinlan
I'm actually going the other way - I've stopped following popular bloggers because I would rather folow their blog. Most are just replicating their conversations anyway on twitter.
- David
RSS is newer so it's higher up in the stack. That's a difference, but an unimportant one imho.
- Dave Winer
i ditched twitter for friendfeed - does that count?
- Chris Heath
i see the issue as how you consume rss, for me same as chris just said, mostly through friendfeed - still use greader from time to time though
- mike "glemak" dunn
If I use twitter's rss in my email client, do I have the potential to cross streams? :)
- Sean Powell
Agree with Dave. Twitter bubbles stuff to the top, but I still go through gReader every day. (Well, almost every day.)
- John Federico
this is not a dumb question. i interpreted it as "rss reader" and i raise my hand in the affirmative. there's limited time in a day. i have to use that resource carefully. twitter (and a little facebook) has displaced 90 percent of my Google Reader time. I have all the subscriptions still there, but maybe look at them every 3rd week. Twitter is my newsreader. It's my overall web reader.
- @baratunde
then you answered a different question didn't you
- Dave Winer
Just pipe Twitter in your RSS reader through an RSS feed?!
- Kris
@DaveWiner i suppose if we always want to insist on the most precise possible language, then yes, i answered a different question. it was an imprecise question. it was not a DUMB question. since we're focusing on language
- @baratunde
steve, everyone should ditch techcrunch and switch to twitter. techcx is the corpse not a format that never did anything to hurt anyone. put pennies in tx's eyes and fuhgeddaboutit. btw, pr is dead too. just use twitter.
- Dave Winer
I'm sorry but the 'RSS is Plumbing' argument is only going to retard RSS growth. Yes, it *is* that - but it's much more. You'll get to lay a lot more pipe if you get better at showing how pretty the houses are going to look. So end use is important. All that said, Twitter? God no. And RSS is the fuel *for* the real time web. It's the snow pack on the mountain. If it dwindles, you'll see a drought in the (real-time) river. http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/rss-mar...
- AJ Kohn
hey baratunde lets be imprecise about something you care about dying or being ditched.
- Dave Winer
Since we're all trying to be precise about language here, why are we just using "RSS" to generically refer to both RSS and Atom?
- Ken Sheppardson
ok dave. i do care about the difference between dying and being ditched. you got me!
- @baratunde
and dave, i do see your point. there's a distinction. i was just reacting to the all caps DUMB, but we place different value in it. For me it was a question of end user interface. more "raw" RSS feed readers like GReader vs a friend-mediated twitter reader like tweetdeck or twitter.com. It's something i've thought about and take for granted that lots of twitter feeds are RSS powered. carry on team!
- @baratunde
and please don't search for instances of me judging other questions as dumb. i've done it before and will do it again. I JUDGE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME AND LOVE DOING SO! laterz for real this time
- @baratunde
Look I'm not going to give you an analogy, you have a good imagination. I understand what you're saying, and I object. If you have something to say about RSS readers then say it. But RSS has always been the victim of this kind of crap, coming from people who have very bad intentions. This is no exception. By accepting the premise you're helping undermine something GOOD. Why don't you defend it, instead. What has RSS ever done to you Baratunde?
- Dave Winer
This isn't about people baratunde, it's about keeping open formats open.
- Dave Winer
RSS hasn't done anything to me negatively. As an infrastructure it makes lots of services i love and benefit from possible (my blog, various podcasts, video delivery to boxee, etc). RSS READERS are of lower value to me than info I glean from my twitter friends when it comes to surfacing news-like info that I like. that's the most precise way I can put it right now. That's the question...
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- @baratunde
If we are talking about RSS/Twitter as a source for news, I use prefer RSS/Atom since I get more information out of the box without having to rely on more than one application.
- Horst Gutmann
Dave, I don't subscribe to the notion that RSS is dead. Quite the contrary. However, I have seen lots of people post that they stopped using a Reader because of Twitter/Friendfeed.
- Steve Rubel
@Steve Rubel People have reduced or stopped using RSS readers because there are only so many hours of online time per day. Find that Friendfeed is more interesting than Google Reader at the moment. I'll be back there again soon. Friendfeed and Twitter to some extent are shiny toys for many people.
- David Damore
I ditched RSS for Atom. Does it count?
- Berk D. Demir
without trying to hurt Dave's feelings I'd like to agree with the thrust of @baratunde's perspective. I tend to follow people now more than info streams. I let people filter info for me.
- Christian Crumlish
and I stopped using an RSS reader about four years ago and started again recently (Google Reader) but now most of what I follow there are search queries and things like that (including mentions of my username and topics I'm writing about on, yes, Twitter), whereas in 2002-2005 (-ish) I was mostly following blog feeds in my feedreader.
- Christian Crumlish
and just to make sure I am not offending Dave, put me on record as saying "RSS will never die."
- Christian Crumlish
for many who consume RSS feeds, the technical nature of RSS itself is unimportant. For many the term RSS = traditional RSS reader as they've known and adopted it. This is how the question was meant when asked by Steve I believe. Of course both FF and Twitter use RSS. While FF is an RSS reader in part, it is more complicated than simply an RSS reader I believe. I stopped consuming RSS...
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- Thomas Hawk
I follow a few blogs on Twitter in lieu of subscribing via RSS simply because it's more convenient.
- © b e e n s w a n k
I'm still checking my RSS feed each morning but for business purposes I'm getting more specific, real time data from gist. It's currently in BETA but has been getting better and better each month. Seems like feeds are less and less important as the feeds themselves are pulled in by more collaborative and interactive tools.
- Cody Boardman
I've moved from checking my rss feeds first thing in the morning to being irresistably drawn to friendfeed.
- Michael Metz
It is not a dumb question - he knows that Twitter uses RSS - The question is whether we know or care how Twitter operates and what it uses to get the job done
- Simon Rogers
hey if that was the question why didn't he ask it?
- Dave Winer
While I use FF much more often than I open Google Reader, I cannot expect FF/Twitter to deliver everything that interests me, so RSS to me is the sand in that Stephen Covey jar of pebbles, the mortar between the stones that support my wall of information.
- jcunwired
Ditched? No. But I do find I use Google Reader less than I used to pre-Twitter. I wonder how much of it, though, is just me being the mouse getting his pellet by clicking the button, and Twitter gives a quicker "hit" than GR...
- Scott Paley
I would never ditch rss for Twitter. With my Google Reader I can star items to read later, if I still want to keep them I add a tag to them. And I like that I don't have to click on any links, the whole page turns up in my reader. Not like Twitter where I see a headline and a bit.ly or tiny.url link. I rarely click on links on Twitter.
- Patrik Johansson
Here's where I'd rather use my RSS reader than the twitterstream. Saturday morning, first cup of coffee, half awake, and I'm not ready to jump into the stream. My reader provides a familiar, comfortable context, not unlike the morning newspaper, with a beginning (my top favorite sources) and an end (bottom of the page, sources I only sometimes get to). The twitterstream is too rough for...
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- Michael Metz
FriendFeed is a feed reader. Yes or no?
Mitchell Tsai, Peter Efland, Steve Chou and 111 other people liked this
Yes, with filters, friends, likes and stuff
- Charbax
yes, I think that is what it is.
- Cat West
No, can't read full text for blog-length items.
- Bruce Lewis
Yes. I'd have to say it is a feed aggregator...it pulls in feeds from Google Reader, Twitter, Disqus, Flickr, Delicious, Digg, etc.
- Kenneth
But why can't we just import our OPML or sinle RSS feeds somewhere into FriendFeed without having to dump those feeds one by one in groups, that doesn't make sense
- Charbax
no. can't simply mark items as read, subscription is not a simple one click operation
- James Beake
It is pretty remarkable that after all this time FF still can't import/export subscription lists.
- Dave Winer
FriendFeed should somehow automatically group feed items so I don't get bombarded by 100 people all retweeting, liking and commenting the same things.. It should basically create a techmeme of feed items on-the-fly
- Charbax
yes
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Wow delete much Dave?
- Bill Heslin
in a non-rss kind of way it's a feed breeder -- aggregates feeds and conversation and distributes back out also
- Adrian Chan
No, because it doesn't read feeds, it just posts headlines.
- Louis Gray
No, I need full-text feeds. Headlines don't count.
- Alex Scrivener
yes
- Wayne Sutton
it is a feed reader and a lot more. its ability to function as a feed reader is probly one of its weakest functions. (so far) one of its strongest functions is to start discussions which are so damn easy and efficient that i can see ppl giving up on blogging and sticking to friendfeed.
- Freddie Benjamin
yes. it has a summary of the posts it aggregates. err yeah
- Alfredo
No, FriendFeed is not a feed reader
- Bill
I prefer Google Reader, because it's easier to privately star stuff in GReader than it is to reshare stuff to a private FriendFeed room. Plus you can mark items as read. I actually view http://friendfeed.com/lastfmf... via Google Reader rather than FriendFeed.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Nope.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Can I read feeds in FriendFeed - yes. Does that mean it is a feed reader - no. The question is to fraught with subjectivity in the end. But if you forced me to say what it is - it's a data aggregator and transformation platform.
- AJ Kohn
Sure, like a search engine is a feed reader.
- Daniel Dulitz
Nope - no way.
- Julie
Imaginary Friend makes it so
- Bryan R. Adams
Yes, for some types of feeds. I.e. anything not requiring much in the way of item payloads.
- Kevin Johnson
FriendFeed is def a feed reader. I prefer it to Google Reader.
- Shawn Hickman
FF is Live Feed Reader
- Nitin Nanivadekar
It is not now ... but getting dangerously closer ...
- Amani
FF is a social network, a chat apparatus, a communication device, AND a feed reader.
- Helen Sventitsky
it is for me now. Pushed all my twitter news, rss news to a select room i created. Allows me to see real time info
- Fake Elmo
I read feeds on friendfeed
- BEX
yes
- sean percival
no
- Matthew
It depends. FriendFeed is whatever you make of it. If you import RSS feeds, then FriendFeed will be an aspect of a feed reader.
- imabonehead
FriendFeed and Twitter - the best tech space.
- Igor Poltavskiy
Nope, but it's a Social Feed Reader. You read items sourced and recommended (= posted) by your friends.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Yes
- Justin Yost
s/is/can be used as/ -- Yes.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Since you can only read headlines and not full posts, I wouldn't call FF an RSS reader just yet.
- Chris Rossini
from BuddyFeed
I would call Friend Feed and twitter "feed discovery engines" and "content discussion facilitators" rather than feed readers. I still use Google Reader -- too much in depth content and other things that I can't really get from FF.
- Travis B. Hartwell
Yes in some sense
- Håkan Dahlström
indeed
- americanm
Isn't FriendFeed a feed aggregator?
- Chris Heath
It is, if you actually read the feeds.
- Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
yep!
- Jay
Just as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are turtles.
- Parth Awasthi
Yes, it is. But that's just the beginning.
- Mark Evans
No, I would say FF is a feed streamer, not reader. (and a mediocre aggregator)
- William Mougayar
So if it's an aggregator of feeds, how is it a feed reader? Just to be clear, my answer to Dave's question is: No, ff is not a feed reader.
- Chris Heath
Social Feed Aggregation*
- Chris Heath
* see site for details, some restrictions apply
- Chris Heath
+1 for no because it doesn't grab content, only headlines.
- Brett Kelly
thoughts' reader:)
- Igor Poltavskiy
Out of roughly 50 responses: 53% YES, FF is a feed reader, 31% NO, 16% didn't exactly answer the question.
- Mark Evans
I've been debating whether Twitter is replacing Google Reader and/or Techmeme. Friendfeed definitely could be one too.
- Mario Sundar
Not a feed reader for text posts (blogs). Feed reader for everything else.
- Mohamed J
better one than twitter, but NO
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Better than twitter but it's not a full replacement, either
- Michael Fidler
Yes. Once FriendFeed decides to turn on something like what Twitter just destroyed (replies) it would be even better
- Antonio Altamirano
A feedreader, no! There is no way anyone can read multiple blogs and communicate at the same time in the real-time realm
- Joe Dawson
Similar aspects I suppose but RSS is just available, whereas FriendFeed is something like SRSS - Syndicated RSS. Or maybe CRSS - consolidated RSS.
- Rick Cogley
No
- Chris Nixon
from BuddyFeed
No.
- Damond Nollan
I used to subscribe to my friends RSS feeds using Google Reader, but quit when FF came about because they were so hard to keep up with and not everything had an RSS feed. I guess that makes it a feed reader, so yes.
- Jesse Hattabaugh
Yep, but not as good as Google Reader... yet. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
No. FriendFeed is for Friends. Feeds are not friends. Though, I would love to use FriendFeed for feeds also - if only it was easy to separate people I follow and blogs (non-personalized) I read.
- Ihar Mahaniok
No it's not... you cannot read full posts there.
- Bhavesh
No. Friendfeed was not intentended to be feed reader. Although I use this room as my second feed reader http://friendfeed.com/mix-room
- arjo
No. You have to leave the site to read. It would be nice if Google Reader live updated like FF or the option to view the full post in FF existed.
- Peter Warnock
No, it lacks some of the key features needed in a feed reader but has other features that make it a different thing altogether
- M F
No, you have to leave FriendFeed to see the article.
- Mike Roberts
No, it's a social network. I talk to people on FriendFeed, I don't read blogs.
- Larry Hudson
No.
- dkb
The answer is either: no, not at all. Or yes, but it is a very limited one that is very unlimited in terms of others' voices.
- C. K. Sample III
To a point it is.
- Adam Martin
It's a real-time chat room.
- William Mougayar
FF is not your father's feed reader. It is a new gen user sweatshop producing metadata for its own search engine and maybe track equivalent.
- Mindaugas Dagys
Yes.
- Vincent Wright
It certainly depends on how you use readers. FriendFeed isn't going to do everything I use Google Reader for. That being said, FriendFeed would probably work better for many of feeds I actually subscribe to.
- Camden
a more customizable feed reader - feed reader to a lifestream
- Elizabeth Koh
yepper!
- Susan Beebe
it was
- Alessandro Lanni
Yes, *but* (and this is a big one), it does not provide enough facility to serve as a non-realtime reader. I cannot pick up where I left off on a feed or know what I read or didn't read. It lacks the controls to be effective in that space which, I think, is a critical feature of a feed reader.
- Kevin Kuphal
no
- Marcel Janus
from twhirl
Read feeds on Friendfeed Don't make Friendfeed a feed reader.
- CantorJF
no, I can't track what I've read and what I haven't.
- You.
I think its more of a meta-feed reader in a microscale. It picks up on the feeds of others, who in turn are reading the news rss feeds, thus meta. It's also on a microscale because, as mentioned before it's not real time, it's only the headlines with no descriptions and it still connects to the echo chamber as opposed to outside world.
- Shane Tilton
Well, compare this http://ff.im/2RXFH to this http://is.gd/zO1f . The question should be, how good is FreindFeed as a Feed Reader? It's bringing more value to the use of RSS feeds; more than just presenting them, regardless of each item being full post or just headline.
- zeroinfluencer
Dave, Could FriendFeed be a good email client?
- zeroinfluencer
FriendFeed is a task list. Yes or no?
- You.
FF is my magazine for browsing. I'm not catching up on FF posts like I do in Google Reader. I check the front page of FF, drop some comments, and then move on while it stays open in another tab.
- Joel Zehring
No, but that doesn't make it inferior. It's a wholly different animal.
- Daniel Miessler
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- Micah Wittman
Not necessarily. If all my RSS subscriptions were in Friendfeed, it would move way too fast. RSS is something I can still take at my own pace. Which is why I don't think it's dead, like some people would say.
- Robert de Castro
from twhirl
Nope, not for me.
- Adnan
It's an improved feed reader.
- Diego Espinoza V.
No way. Nothing beats a good google reader/postrank/feedly combo. Oh, unless google's servers are not responding like today, in which case friendfeed might be a nice backup.
- Mike Elliott
I'd say no, because it's the conversations that seem to have more draw / weight than the content (like a slashdot). It's a fuzzy line though, I could easily see the argument for.
- mikepk
No.
- Ken Sheppardson
Both. Depends on the user.
- David Damore
I tried to use it as FeedReader, but without being able to view full posts, it just didn't work.
- James Ostheimer
No. It's way better!
- David Cook - 2010!!!
from fftogo
I'm torn on how to answer this. I've been back and forth with Google Reader and FF. If there was a simple way to import all my GR feeds into FF and de-dup it would help some. Sometimes all I want to do is quickly scan what's new and GR is fast, in fact rather amazingly so on the iPhone. But just reading feeds can be like empty calories. Having real discussions on selected topic has...
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- Tom Parish
Yes.
- Steve Rubel
Technically, yes. But it doesn't serve the same function as a dedicated feed reader.
- John Federico
I don't really get the "FriendFeed is a feed reader" logic. Is TechMeme a feed reader? I mean, I can't actually *READ* feeds in FriendFeed, I just get links to articles.
- Ken Sheppardson
what friendfeed does best is create an environment for people to connect and have conversations. It is more a networking tool than a reading tool. Sometimes you want to go to a bar an network and sometimes you want to go to a library and read.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Ken, yeah you can only read the headlines (or maybe the first sentence or two if the feed is set up to do a first comment type thing here) but past that... you're not reading the story/article/blogpost in friendfeed - you might discuss it within friendfeed (which is awesome, btw) but once again - NO - friendfeed is not a feed reader
- Chris Heath
No. It is a social feed aggregator with filters. It's limited in that you can read feeds of existing FriendFeed users, groups, or external feeds by creating "Imaginary Friends". However, Imaginary Friends is a rather cumbersome way to add external feeds. No facility exists for easily adding a list of feeds such as by importing an OPML file.
- Derek Mahar
in part yes.
- Thomas Hawk
An interactive feed reader, yes
- Murat Gök
No - I can't read the articles right on FriendFeed. It also doesn't require RSS to publish.
- Jesse Stay
No - to read the blogs and articles I still need Google Reader.
- Antoine Bertier
No, because -- in addition to what William Mougayar said -- there's no tagging of articles (just liking).
- Kawika Holbrook
No. Feeds are the internet data, tv, radio, cd/dvd/comic book collections and plumbing in the house. But people living in the house is the lead story.
- Micah Wittman
I can't answer yes or no : it is a social feed agregator
- Stanislas Jourdan
a feed reader, yes, and much more. I use it more and more
- Nadine Pestourie
No, because beyond choosing who I follow, I have no choice in what the rest of you put in it. I propose that FriendFeed is a "social media service."
- David Chartier
from BuddyFeed
No, I still use Google Reader to stay up-to date...to much noise on FriendFeed even with filters.
- Rajiv Doshi
It's interesting to see everyone who says it's not a feed reader. It most definitely is. You can subscribe to RSS feeds here. So it is defacto a feed reader. Now, is it a good one? Not if you want more than headlines. If you want full text Google Reader or other readers are much better.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert you got a point here. Does this mean it "might" be our future feed reader with a bit of improvement?
- giuseppe c. | markgreene
I think Google Reader is moving more toward a FriendFeed model with all of the Share and Comment features they have been adding, but they are fundamentally different because there is no post feature with any RSS reader.
- Brandon Hall
As i said elsewhere, Google Reader is my favorite feed reader because i can mark things as read/unread, so i don't miss anything. FF will never get this feature because the goal in FF is to go back to items you liked or commented. On Greader, once you've read it, you don't go back. As a consequence, Greader will remain my favorite feed reader.
- Stanislas Jourdan
giuseppe: I haven't used Google Reader much since I've gotten addicted to friendfeed. I always seem to get the most important news here first and when I go to Google Reader it is all old to me. I used to be Google Reader's top user, so this change in my behavior is interesting to me.
- Robert Scoble
Sure it is--though I don't is as such
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
With Google Reader shortcuts, i can skip very quickly between many items so I can scan much more information efficiently. However, on Greader you've to make a high selection of good feeds you really want to read fequently. Otherwise, it becomes evil!
- Stanislas Jourdan
absolutely!
- Sinem Co
Yes, but it's a "newspaper" style feed reader, as opposed to an "inbox" style reader.
- Tristan Seligmann
NO
- Kristian Salonen
No.
- Brandon Mendelson
totally disagree with Tristan
- Stanislas Jourdan
Yes
- Arda Çetin
For me, yes. At least in part. I recently created a News group and added a few news feeds to it (techmeme etc). I then switched on desktop notifications for this group so I effectively now have a real time feed reader / news ticker.
- Jamie
Jamie, I don't think it is worth. With this system you don't enjoy the FF community (i guess nobody "like" your entries or comment them so that you don't see what's important). Moreover you don't have benefit from Greader shortcuts and read/unread status.
- Stanislas Jourdan
No, friendfeed is not just a feedreader, feedly do a better job for feeds reading.
- David Foucher
BTW in my opinion, the interest of FF is that people select the items they share so that you get the best in your feeds
- Stanislas Jourdan
Pretty much yes.though thats not its primart function.
- Abhishek
yes, it's true and http://friendfeed.com/technol... doing that things ;-)
- Sakib Mahmud
FriendFeed is also a feed that goes to my google reader :-)
- David Foucher
O_o ?!
- Stanislas Jourdan
Yes, but only one facet of many. It's a poor feed reader if you plan on reading everything. It's a good one if you plan on only reading what is deemed popular by those you follow.
- xero
Stanislas - I think you misinterpreted me. I don't add the news feeds to my profile - I subscribe to them as they are already on FF. So for high volume RSS feeds like TechMeme, TechCrunch and so on I just view them as real time notifications. I don't need them piling up as unread items in Google Reader, which I use solely for low volume, high quality feeds where I need to see every item (daring fireball, carnage4life, codinghorror etc)
- Jamie
Jamie : Ok I understand. In fact you made a friendlist for News feed more than a News "room" (?)
- Stanislas Jourdan
UPDATE: (Of 145): Y:27 | N:43 | (?):75 - answers on this thread so far (based on this script: http://wittman.org/project... )
- Micah Wittman
Definitely Yes.
- stark
No, it doesn't show full feeds...only titles.
- Alex Scoble
Yes.
- Bill Romanos
Clearly there's a whole lot of variation in what people actually expect from a "feed reader". Seems like some people think it means "anything that uses RSS/Atom to generate a list of web pages"
- Ken Sheppardson
yes
- Danilo Paissan
and now I really want that there would be a feature to "unsubscribe from comments"... I am getting every phrase in my gtalk :)
- Ihar Mahaniok
Hence the inclusion of the word "feed". :)
- Kelly McAlearney
Yes, a Feed reader of «Friends'» Feeds -- make it «Fellows'» or «Follows'» -- with steroids (conversations).
- Jorge Martins Rosa
Ff technically reads feeds but that is not where their value - aggregation -is. It is a discovery platform powered by RSS and API-based clients can potentially fill the perceived expectation gap with current feed readers.
- Alberto Saavedra
from Nambu
Yes, but with added value, in that we can discuss aggregated content on the fly, including photos, video, music, etc., not just blogs and text posts.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Not yet. It will get there. News outside tech is still scarce on FF
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
No, and yes
- Christian Burns
........what if it was?? Leave Friendfeed a-l-o-n-e !!! please !! .. leave it alone , Dave ! .. please : ==== http://gog.is/chris+crocker
- Petr Buben
Ihar - the notifications section of your settings lets you choose which friend lists go to IM, email, and the desktop client... in lieu of frienfeed allowing us to unsub from each thread you can use the friend lists to section off the stuff you do and don't want going to your IM client
- Chris Heath
FriendFeed functions like a feed reader in that it gets (most of) its content from other sources. I don't believe it stores copies of the results (would it even be authorized to do so??) so I don't see how it could ever provide search capability. Big difference from TW which has its own content DB
- David Sanger
Yes. you import feeds, I've done this many times with 'imaginery friends'
- Jeremiah Owyang
FriendFeed is definitely a feed reader, since most of the content you'll find is brought in from RSS sources, such as YouTube or a personal blog.
- Thomas Ward
I love questions and answers like this -- They prove my thesis that "nobody gets anything," which, of course, is an ironic way of saying, "everyone gets anything in their own way." Of course, FriendFeed is a news reader. And of course it's not. (Me, personally. I like my "readers" to have an export feature, i.e., OPML)
- Rex Hammock
I like my readers to have an OPML *import* feature, too!
- Derek Mahar
or even an rss import for anything other than my own feeds
- Chris Nixon
from IM
Chris, you can import one or more RSS feeds by creating an "Imaginary Friend" and adding those feeds. It's better than nothing, but not nearly as convenient as OPML import.
- Derek Mahar
Its a bit convoluted. I'll stick with a feed reader for reading feeds. FriendFeed is about my friends feeds.
- Chris Nixon
from IM
It's the big-ass river of RSS. I like it.
- Pete Gilbert
Chris, I agree! Friendfeed is more of social feed aggregator than a reader. Google Reader is a good reader, but unlike Friendfeed, it doesn't (yet) allow you to share a set of feeds by default. You must explicitly share each item. It also doesn't appear to make comments public.
- Derek Mahar
Actually, I think I was incorrect when I stated that Google Reader comments are not public. I do see comments that others have posted to friends' shared items, so I guess comments must be public.
- Derek Mahar
Yes, FriendFeed qualifies as a feed reader.
- Mike Reynolds
If it is a feed reader, it sucks. There's no way to view the content of the RSS feed items. I have to click each and every story to read it. Headlines only? No thanks. I'd say no, because compared to Google Reader, Bloglines, NetNewsWire, FeedDemon, it fails as a feed reader.
- Bwana ☠
I'm with Bwana (it also has no import/export subscription function). I have lobbied for an iGoogle like popup in the past so I will put in my .02 here as well. I would like it to be a good feed reader but it just doesn't cut it now.
- Brian Sullivan
Yes. FriendFeed is a form of a feed reader ;)
- Nicholas James
hoped so, but not yet
- Peter Efland
I re-iterate my earlier No vote. A good feed reader like Google Reader or Bloglines remembers the items that you've read, but this memory is absent from Friendfeed.
- Derek Mahar
Bored? Read best of Craig’s List - http://www.chancebliss.com/2009...
Busy at work, eh? ;)
- John Federico
Having problems accessing Google, YouTube, GMail, Blogger? If so, where are you?
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Out in NYC
- Michael Turro
Eastern Kentucky
- Chuck Adams
out for me, Vegas. I am and some of my clients have called with no or really slow access.
- William Kapes
Google Reader working for me... Orange County, CA
- John Denver
Yes. In Central New Jersey.
- John Federico
Everything working fine for me in STL
- Ryan
Yes, trouble accessing google from central Virginia
- jcunwired
SF, CA
- Mekuria Getinet
Fine here - Fraser Valley, BC, Canada :)
- WorldofHiglet
fine in MPLS
- chad calease
back up for me, Las Vegas
- William Kapes
No problems what so ever except for Google News looks like it keep switching from the old to the sort of new look.
- jamesreb
logging into FF on the web for first time in ages - new interface completely different..thinking about whether i like it or not
Ditto. I'm going to use it all day (instead of tweetdeck) and see how I like it. I'm going to use a ff client on iPhone, too.
- John Federico
Live with the Lynch Mob: Dokken's "Tooth and Nail" ♫ http://blip.fm/profile...
Vocalist doesn't have the same range as Don Dokken, but George Lynch still ROCKS
- John Federico
not a good day for baby bunnies in our yard...current survival chances are 50/50 as hercules likes the way the squeak
Lucy has been chasing bunnies and squirrels all week. It's been close a few times...
- John Federico
If you filled your 15 gallon car twice each week, Domino's uses enough gas each week to fill your car for 288 years.
The I want what I want when I want it culture is no longer environmentally sustainable.
- Thomas
How does that translate into "Mucus per mile?" ;)
- John Federico
Bodelin ProPrompter Turns the iPhone Into a Teleprompter [Video] - http://i.gizmodo.com/5213007...
Could use this mount for Qik or Ustream videos...
- John Federico
Book Time shrugs off e-readers, turns paper pages for you - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
Interesting, but it won't fit in my backpack.
- John Federico
BumpTop 3D Desktop Manager Leaves Beta Testing [Downloads] - http://lifehacker.com/5203531...
I would use this on my Mac...
- John Federico
Google Chrome for Mac Public Beta Probably Coming by Fall [Chrome] - http://i.gizmodo.com/5190213...
FALL!? C'mon, people!
- John Federico
Chrome Experiments: Google Launches New Site to Showcase the Power of Chrome and JavaScript - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Where's Chrome for Mac, dammit!?
- John Federico
Scott is on the road to recovery.
Back from PT, eh? ;) What did you do?
- John Federico
Boxee iPhone App Gets Thumbs-Up From Apple - http://www.podcastingnews.com/2009...
I've been waiting for this!
- John Federico
Kindle 2 Official Images and Price Leak: $359 on February 24 [Kindle 2] - http://i.gizmodo.com/5148568...
I WANT.
- John Federico
V-Books: the future - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
I'd buy that! It's more likely that I will get the Kindle version, though.
- John Federico
Mimo's tiny USB monitors get proper US release - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
Ridiculous. I can get a 22" Samsung for $200.
- John Federico
Apple market share continues to climb, Windows drops - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
The iPhone OS is the fourth most popular OS on the interwebs. Of course, it only has .48% share, but that's pretty amazing given the number of handsets in the market.
- John Federico
How Hot Is Your Laptop? [Hot Laptops] - http://i.gizmodo.com/5143201...
funny, but nsfw
- John Federico
Linux4one: Ubuntu for the Acer Aspire One - http://www.liliputing.com/2008...
Finally! An Ubuntu distro that supports the Acer Aspire One hardware. I know what I'll be doing tonight. ;)
- John Federico
http://ping.fm/v/ZtuYY - "Hey I'm up early heading out for a Starbucks run. Can I get you anything?"
I'll have a quad espresso. Hot. Two packets of equal. Can I get that delivered?
- John Federico
Sony gets official with VAIO P: world's lightest 8-inch netbook - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
$900 for a netbook!?!
- John Federico
LaCie Says 6TB Ethernet Disk Actually Works With Apple's Time Machine [LaCie] - http://gizmodo.com/5113940...
I'll stick with the Drobo...
- John Federico
New "Nova" Palm OS Confirmed for CES 2009 [Cellphones] - http://gizmodo.com/5109881...
It's about time...
- John Federico
SUMO Paint Puts Photoshop-Style Editing in Your Browser [Image Editing] - http://lifehacker.com/5108206...
OMG - it supports Layers and everything, all in a browser. Wow.
- John Federico
Tim Ferriss'"Trial By Fire" TV Pilot Debuts Tomorrow Night [Television] - http://lifehacker.com/5101665...
I think think has real potential. I hope the History Channel gives it the green light for its first season.
- John Federico
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