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friendfeedTranslate user script - Translates title and comments of a friendfeed entry (e.g. Farsi to English) - http://wittman.org/friendf...
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In the Configuration section of the code, you can change the language From and language To settings. When viewing a single friendfeed entry, near the upper right corner by "Tools", the the link to perform the translation will appear (e.g. Translate Farsi to English). Tested/compatible with Firefox and Safari.
- Micah Wittman
Featured image: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Micah Wittman
cool idea :)
- Susan Beebe
The script utilizes the google translation api, of course.
- Micah Wittman
Thanks, Susan.
- Micah Wittman
friendfeedTranslate 's permanent home is here http://wittman.org/project... (where previous versions will be archived).
- Micah Wittman
yay! I've been asking about this for a few weeks. I will use firefox for FF for a while so I can use all of your scripts. edit: I usually use chrome
- metalerik
Well done Micah! Installing and taking it for a spin now. Thank you.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
@micah Just wanted to let you know that the permanent home site is giving the "The site's security certificate is not trusted!" message in Chrome 3.0.189.0
- metalerik
metalerik, thanks for letting me know. I removed the secure protocol in the above link - it got there by mistake. I only pay the piper for one signed SSL certificate, and it's on a different domain, so that's why you got the warning.
- Micah Wittman
Thank you, Brian. Let me know how you fare with it.
- Micah Wittman
Here's a recent post about people wanting a language filter where I wish for a translation button (did I mention yay!) http://friendfeed.com/friendf... I just went back there to link to this post. Hope that's cool.
- metalerik
Thanks, Micah, Awesome of you to invest the time to enable this. I am personally appreciative and I have friends that will also be, I am quite sure. :) I hope to eventually share the messages I have received as a result of signalling others efforts.
- Eric Logan
Eric, your words are very much appreciated, Eric. I hope this helps people understand each other, even if only just a tad more.
- Micah Wittman
Micah sorry to be gushing but I think this is huge. I mean really huge.
- metalerik
are you not seeing the translate link?
- metalerik
Thanks, I got it, :)
- Eric Logan
metalerik, re. linking to the post - absolutely ok (you probably saw I commented over there already too). Thanks for the feedback :)
- Micah Wittman
ok cool. I was just messing around and tried to get the from to work with "auto" vs. "fa" or whatever. I wonder why it doesn't work. Do you know?
- metalerik
I was planning to experiment with auto language detect in the next update to two. Let me look something for a second.
- Micah Wittman
metalerik, just set var languageCodeFrom = ''; (empty string) - wow, that's all it takes to get auto-detect working, and the first post I tried just now with Farsi in it worked! http://friendfeed.com/infinit...
- Micah Wittman
duuuuuuuuuude! pls hold. :)
- metalerik
check it out! http://friendfeed.com/lovepho...
- metalerik
(that's your friend K.D.)
- metalerik
Great, Micah! What's the translation service (e.g. Google Translate) under this?
- Roberto aka postoditacco
from fftogo
Roberto, yes, exactly: http://code.google.com/apis...
- Micah Wittman
I was using Highlight2Translate Script for this job! Thanks Michah!
- Alp
Welcome, Alp.
- Micah Wittman
UPDATE RELEASE [v0.1.2] - Added auto-language detection handling (in Configuration, you can set an explicit language with var languageCodeFrom; the default is set to auto-detect). Also added an autoTranslate option in Configuration. To automatically translate title/comments when a single entry page is loaded, set var autoTranslateEnabled = true;
- Micah Wittman
well done!!
- K.D.
No problem, K.D. This feels like the most important user script I've worked on. I hope everyone who needs it can find it :)
- Micah Wittman
thank you again, I'll share this script to other groups, the auto-detection is unbelievable cool!!
- K.D.
This is probably great, and this is going to sound like a stupid question. How do I make this work? View a single entry? How do you do that?
- Gilbert Harding
You win once again Micah! Another great script. Thanks for all the time you pour into making things easier for everyone. :)
- Simon Wicks
@Gilbert: To view a single entry click the text that says when the post was posted (e.g. "4 hours ago" or "5 seconds ago")
- Mark H
Also... awesome script. Feels like the world just got a little bit smaller.
- Mark H
Mark: Thank you, something else I have learnt today.
- Gilbert Harding
My quick couple of screenshots using friendfeedTranslate under Safari 4.01 w/GreaseKit: http://friendfeed.com/jhuebel...
- Jason Huebel
Another screenshot of comments being translated: http://friendfeed.com/jhuebel...
- Jason Huebel
Micah - This IS the most important script I've seen in a long long time and the sole reason for me to reinstall Greasemonkey on Firefox. Mad props to you.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
It would be nice to have this built into FriendFeed. Any possibility of that happening?
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, hold on, let me pickup the the red phone in the Commissioner's office ;)
- Micah Wittman
FOR ALL AVAILABLE GOOGLE TRANSLATION API SUPPORTED LANGUAGES SEE CODES HERE: http://code.google.com/apis... - Then in the script's Configuration section, change var languageCodeTo = 'en' to whatever code matches the language you want a post translated TO.
- Micah Wittman
This is great, Micah... I've been mystified why that last piece is always missing... the auto-translate from languages you don't understand. This really should be built into the low-levels of twitter, friendfeed, etc., so that static stuff is translated once and shared if poss., the dynamic stuff just cache invalidates any translations.... or something like that.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
This is one of my favourite auto-detect translated pages so far: http://friendfeed.com/lovepho... - man, even as rough as programmatic translations are today, it really helps open up inaccessible worlds :)
- Micah Wittman
Another fun thing I learned in translation today: "what in English is called the bungee cords, but in Russian formerly known as espanderom"[translation] http://friendfeed.com/spb...
- Micah Wittman
UPDATE RELEASE [v0.1.3] - No new features in this one. Minor code cleanup. Reference copy of Google language codes added to Configuration section.
- Micah Wittman
There's a bookmarklet now too! See http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
That looks like..Scotty, beam me up shit
- Chris Harris
Micah: you might have a use for the JS script in one of my projects: http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums... My friend Krishean did the script for it (the same guy that did the dragable bookmarklet hack). I have another version from him that I haven't compiled yet, that self-updates the language list, so I won't have to release a new version if Google decides to add new languages.
- April Russo (app103)
Thanks again, April. I'll check it out asap.
- Micah Wittman
SCRIPT UPDATE HERE: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
SCRIPT UPDATE [v0.1.5] - Added autoProtocolMatchingEnabled and onlyUseSecureProtocolCompatibleFeatures Configuration options. Now a secure protocol (https) for the current page is detected and all script references will be set to https in that case. Since userscripts.org does not support https, the onlyUseSecureProtocolCompatibleFeatures options controls whether to use that feature (which connects with http) or not. ~~~ As requested here: http://friendfeed.com/baiyssy...
- Micah Wittman
SCRIPT UPDATE [v0.1.6] - Fix to v0.1.5 so that onlyUseSecureProtocolCompatibleFeatures only prevents feature use if a secure connection is present.
- Micah Wittman
SCRIPT UPDATE [v0.2] "Real-time" http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
Thank you Micah. Well done again
- zsafwan
Great work. But I found one issue that after the translation, some links are converted to plain text that no longer work.
- Yinfei Zhang
That's a good point, Yinfei. I'll see what I can do for a future release. For now, if you go into single post view (click timestamp) you will see the original html which should always have the working links. Thank you for the feedback - I really appreciate it.
- Micah Wittman
Install page now has "Alternate configuration (keepOriginalTextInRealtime ON)" for user script and bookmarklet language versions http://wittman.org/project...
- Micah Wittman
SCRIPT UPDATE [v0.2.3] - Comments in single post view were not being translated. Fixed. http://wittman.org/project...
- Micah Wittman
Shareaholic v1.8 (for Firefox) is here; adds support for over 20 additional services! | Shareaholic Blog - http://blog.shareaholic.com/2009...
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"We just pushed out Shareaholic v1.8! You can get the latest version of Shareaholic from here [NOTE: we're waiting for the Mozilla team to approve and push v1.8 public; should happen soon!], or you if you already have Shareaholic installed, just wait for Firefox to automatically notify you of the update."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
One of the best plugins for firefox ever!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
+1. Although UrlBarExt kinda trumps their URL shortening support via one-click shortening AND copying within the address bar itself. It's all good though, I use both :)
- LANjackal
Poll: How Did You Find Out that Michael Jackson Died? http://socialtoo.com/survey...
Kol Tregaskes, Sai, Amira and 42 other people liked this
twitter
- Luca Filigheddu
Friendfeed, duh.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
FF
- Shandiz
I found out about Michael Jackson dying through VentureBeat while reading Google Reader feeds.
- Louis Gray
twitter...only because I wasn't at my computer and had my twitter app open on my cell phone.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
FriendFeed
- Valeria Maltoni
friendfeed
- Alex Scoble
From my sons, who may have heard of it on a WoW channel.
- Fred Yankowski
Twitter
- Roberto Bonini
email alert from a local news station on my phone.
- Steve Lowe
FF
- DAL
I was on a conference call yesterday with the team about to flip the switch and release the project that I've been working on for the last few months to an internal beta and someone blurts out "Michael Jackson is Dead!". I'm not sure how they found out...
- Her Lindsay-ness
Twitter
- Graham Bunting
FF
- imabonehead
FF
- Panayotis Vryonis
Twitter. More specifically, this tweet -> http://twitter.com/kaitfol...
- Hiro Asari
Call me old fashioned: I heard it on the radio!
- Pablo Melchor
twitter, @breakingnews
- George Tziralis
Twitter
- Rich
twitter, friend posted it, not sure where he learned it from. I confirmed with Google News search, LA Times
- xero
Mona's post, which I saw on fftogo as I was leaving work.
- The Bohemian Penguin
radio! :) yes it still exists
- Mario
Don't remember if it was Twitter or FF first, but it was probably a tweet either way.
- Grey Drane
Good 'ol FriendFeed :)
- Janice
The nice thing about breaking news on FF is that the number of posts required for everyone to get their OMGz out are decreased by an order of magnitude. On Twitter there's 5 tweets per person about MJ, on Friendfeed there's one post for every few people and then those pile up the comments.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
FriendFeed!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
twitter
- andy brudtkuhl
Twitter
- Brett Kelly
Taken to hospital news on Twitter when only TMZ was reporting then followed newswires until death
- Karen Swim
Radio on the drive home (who read it off TMZ)
- Stuart Miniman
I hate to be a spoilsport but I've read Michael Jackson's death in my TwitterGadget. lols
- jan geronimo
Coworker saw it on TMZ.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Saw the first unverified rumors on Tumblr. Switched to twitter for more info and found a raging torrent of unsubstantiated tweets, most w/out links, announcing his death + a few linking to sources reporting the cardiac arrest and hospitalization. Glanced at FriendFeed and saw less rumor and more links to reports of what was so far known. Turned to Google News and found LA Times live blogging verified news. Kept hitting refresh until they updated with confirmation that Michael Jackson was dead.
- Ben Greenberg
WHAT??? MJ's DEAD??? Just kidding, yeah Twitter.
- Tac Anderson
Twitter
- Kenton
twitter.
- Evan Travers
NBC evening news - my next stop was FF
- Scott of Two Countries
Twitter
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Friendfeed
- Martha
my mother send me an sms this morning.
- Patrik Johansson
Twitter but via FF
- Mike Bracco
@Mike - I think that counts as FF then, unless the tweet you saw had 0 likes and 0 comments. Don't discount the value of community filters!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Friendfeed but then I spent a couple of hours trying to establish whether it was true or not.
- WorldofHiglet
Friendfeed. Specifically, subscription to http://friendfeed.com/breakin...
- Micah Wittman
A rare occurrence, my boss was on Twitter and noticed the tweets and mentioned it. So much for me being on top of real time media. I was working! :p
- Josh Haley
FF
- M F
FF
- Jim Hearts FF
CNN, seriously.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Please do respond on the SocialToo Survey as well if you can get the chance.
- Louis Gray
FF
- Ian May
Twitter
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
My kid. A friend told her, maybe txt.
- Jason Nunnelley
Breaking News Online on Friend Feed
- RAPatton
my brother told me and I read it on friendfeed at just about the same moment
- chrisofspades
Friendfeed
- Alex Scrivener
My gf read it on the news and told me.
- Will Higgins™
FF
- Bogdan Costea
FF
- W. Brant Kesseler
Twitter
- Mohamed J
Twitter
- Ian D
Smoke signal
- Steve
Twitter
- Jeremy Brooks
Twitter - but waited for it to be confirmed elsewhere
- Keith - @tsudo
Friendfeed told me he was rushed to the hospital. I then was out and about monitoring m.nytimes.com on my G1, where I got the final news.
- Matthew DeVries
FriendFeed
- Seek Ground
from email
co worker said it.
- Chieze Okoye
FF
- Tech Introvert
FF
- martha
Would have been ff, but traveling and in location with limited connectivity, so CNN.
- Steve
I overheard someone who was on the phone and got told that Michael Jackson had died
- Jorge Barba
friendfeed
- zsafwan
Survey as no option for Facebook. I learned it from someone's status update.
- David Spencer
Friendfeed. :-)
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
checking in on friendfeed before going to bed last night - i'm on vacation and haven't seen a tv - also haven't been online too much either
- Chris Heath
twitter
- Mary DeSive
twitter
- Bill Sanders
twitter...it wasn't even a search, just everyone i followed was talking about it
- Anthony Farrior
Friendfeed
- Alejandro
friendfeed(tweets included)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
friendfeed
- Ethan
Twitter.
- cecily
Twitter piped through friendfeed.
- mikepk
FriendFeed.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
twitter
- Kiran Patchigolla
My wife got a text from an SMS service provided by People Magazine. When I asked who sent it to her, she was almost too embarrassed to tell me.
- Chip Ramsey
Good one Chip :D
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Yahoo News when I was checking my email.
- Dawn
Friendfeed
- Brome
While in a meeting, I received a frantic call from co-worker who saw it on TMZ.com
- felicious
I saw on igoogle that he had a heart attack, but it wasn't until later talking to my Mother I learned he had died.
- Grant Bierman
Rumor on FF, confirmed by the DJ at a roller rink.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
twitter
- Corbett Barr
FriendFeed
- Dean "Karnatos" Michaud
Tina: That's fantastic. Were you by chance playing paddle tag or shooting the duck at the time?
- Chip Ramsey
Nope: I was trying to not fall on my arse at a roller derby practice. The last time I skated MJ was in his heyday, so it was weirdly symmetrical.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
A quick hack to script http://wittman.org/project... and so far the stats here are: (Of 101): Friendfeed:39 | Twitter:27 | (?):35
- Micah Wittman
A tweet from Breaking News Online.
- Derrick
Here are the ambiguous per the script: (?): I found out about Michael Jackson dying through VentureBeat while reading Google Reader feeds. - Louis Gray (?): From my sons, who may have heard of it on a WoW channel. - Fred Yankowski (?): CNN from my dad's Behold - Mohomed Abdullahi (?): email alert from a local news station on my phone. - Steve Lowe (?): I was on a conference call...
more...
- Micah Wittman
New York Times online
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Friendfeed.
- Joey Gibson
Twitter
- Kevin Pedraja
FriendFeed.
- Christopher Harley
Mainstream Media Online
- Carlo Nasuti
FF
- Davis Freeberg
Offline. I KNOW!!! Crazy.
- Kandeezie
FriendFeed.
- Parth Awasthi
DrudgeReport. Heard about him being rushed to the hospital via MSNBC news alert popup. Was working and wasn't checking twitter/ff at the time.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Wife txt me about the sad news
- Brady
A spam comment on my blog
- Richard Reeve
Twitter. But I saw the tweets running through my FriendFeed Home stream.
- Chris Baskind
Is it bad that I don't remember? Let me get back to you...Facebook, perhaps? I think it was before I was gonna go do some missions and quests and try to get Pyros. My brother sent me an SMS before that, but I didn't see it until after I knew.
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
FF
- YoYo_P
Mother told me.
- Burcu Dogan
twitter
- Ekin Arabacioglu
from a friend sms
- E.Koray Koçak
Twitter - on June 25th - Twitter's trending topics told me that 3 celebrities died. They were 2 out of 3. I think Jeff Goldblum is still living....
- Mike Nencetti
FF! duh.
- Frankie Warren
Hah... I saw it on Twitter... sure didn't hear it from CNN. :)
- Sean
Radio, in the car.
- Patricia
My wife told me after hearing about it in TV.
- Glenn Trtanj
Twitter
- Hutch Carpenter
twitter & friendfeed.
- Oğuz Serdar
Wait... He's dead?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
PBS
- Lisa Hopkins
Twitter
- Tyson Key
pillar of fire on the horizon.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Twitter
- Charlotte M
FriendFeed...probably via Twitter
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Twitter
- Bora Zivkovic
FriendFeed, through @Mona
- Mark Aitken
friendfeed
- Alfredo
Friends at CNN.
- Mona Nomura
Friendfeed
- Victor Ganata
Michael Jackson is Dead?!! First I've heard of this! ;-)
- Jeff P. Henderson
I got the initial notice that he was rushed to the hospital via Cnnbrk that I have sent to my phone, so I guess Twitter (though official word came for me via CNN itself)
- BCK
Facebook, from Mona
- Mike Nayyar
twitter, but immediately went to latimes.com to check
- kelly
facebook
- Alessandro
Veronica on FF
- Stephen Mack
FF, plus checking all possible possibles sources.
- diego morelli
I felt a disturbance in the force
- Geoff Schultz
My friend Missy predicted 10 hours earlier, I found out while making frenchtoast and watching the News, they said Coma, I said bs
- Tsali, The Native of FF
I woke up from a nap to it being on the news. In my groggy state, I saw his picture, and was trying to make sense of it. Finally it clicked, and then it was sort of like, "Huh?! He was only 40 something. That doesn't make any sense. " (He was actually 50) .
- Nimabeckie
My oldest son called me and let me know..
- aerobroken
Twitter.
- Bonnie Foster
Twitter
- Aaron
Twitter...
- Mark Harai
TV News - in Australia regular broadcasting stopped on two channels as they covered the event in LA for most of the day - another station played MJ all night til dawn. Of course once I was online, I could see that even twitter was mourning.
- Chris Loft
A friend IMed me.
- Lu Liu
Facebook, then Twitter a few seconds later.
- Chris Luckhardt
FF.
- Alix Whitmire
XM radio, on the way to my new place.
- David Cook
from fftogo
Friend listening to car radio. He was pulling his car into the garage. Got out of the car and said MJ and Farrah just died.
- David Damore
Fox news
- Russ Jackson
Was delivering coffee to an espresso stand, the barista told me that she heard about 30 min before, she had 4 friends txt it to her.
- Christian Burns
Alix texted it to me.
- Shawn Whitmire
Local news report on TV
- Mol, Time Warping
Sky News. Since I was away from the PC at the time.
- Nicholas James
Ya'll.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Seesmic Desktop --> Facebook --> from Mona :) I later left to run an errand and listened to "Beat It" playing on the car radio during a tribute. I felt it was very fitting I found out the news from a combination of social media but actually sort of accepted it as true by hearing it on the radio - as opposed to something like YouTube. It just goes to show how long he's been around and how much has changed since The Jackson 5 days. The word revolutionary comes to mind.
- TheMacMommy
(Of 169): friendfeed:56 | twitter:45 | (?):69
- Micah Wittman
Twitter, just cuz that was the tab I had visible. Wait...when did I find out he was in the hospital, or when did I find out he was actually dead? Two diff questions.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Associated Press's iPhone app pushed breaking news to my phone. So "other".
- Rob H.
FriendFeed (there were 57 votes for FriendFeed when I voted)
- Miss Elle
Text. (I was outside and away from a computer. Subsequently informed everyone at the call center with which I do business, since I'm pretty sure they don't have Internet access there.)
- Sue Radd
Google News
- Nikhil Dandekar
Duh..Twitter
- Saad Kamal
on friendfeed...
- K.D.
Email from a friend in the US so I saw it morning my time in Europe
- Krishna De
Friendfeed, but had to go to LA Times and CNN to believe it.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Do you mean "how did you find out that he'd died?" or "how did you find out that some people were saying he'd died?". The answer to the first is "on the BBC". The second is "FriendFeed" - although what I saw on FF was a feed through of Twitter.
- Ian Betteridge
Heard that MJ fell ill on Japanese TV. Saw that he died on FriendFeed. Checked CNN et al, and eventually they confirmed it.
- Rick Cogley
Email from a friend
- Diego Barros
Twitter, when MJ's death was a rumour or unconfirmed
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
CELEB text alert from 4info
- Tim Connors
office chatter
- Thom Kennon
The people behind me at the Red Sox game were talking about it.
- Leslie Carbone
Twitter retweet of TMZ article
- Manuel Mas
What is this TMZ that you speak of. ;-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Via Facebook. I was surprised I learned about it there...
- Samuel Driessen
The News. I walked into my Boss's office and he had it on TV. I'd been in meetings all day at that point and hadn't had access to any of my connected devices.
- Jason Toney
When my wife told me. Same way I found out he had gone to hospital. I continued to not care.
- Eoghann Irving
Facebook. Tim Cuprisin posted the TMZ scoop: http://bit.ly/MppYm
- Mark Czerniec
friendfeed....
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Plurk. Funny thing was that on FF I saw a slew of MJ posts paying tribute, but didn't understand why everyone on FF was so MJ crazy. A friend on Plurk directly commented that he and Farrah had died.
- Criz
I found out Michael Jackson had been hospitalized on Twitter. then rumors started that me may be / might not be dead, so I tried searching the web for confirmation and found nothing. Soon, there were links on Twitter to the CBS UStream broadcast which confirmed his death for me.
- jbrotherlove
I told about it in this post: http://friendfeed.com/kmeelah...
- Kamilah Gill
Twitter.
- Curt Mercadante
Local news of his cardia arrest. Twitter of his death. And all within minutes of it hitting the air.
- Graham English
f2f
- j1m
my son verbally told me about mj's death after he found out on twitter
- mike "glemak" dunn
Twitter
- Svartling
gmail status message of a coworker
- ta√i
facebook
- howard shippin
FF first. Confirmed through multiple traditional sources.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
facebook...i saw "RIP Jacko"
- constance taft
can i change my vote?...
- Thom Kennon
Jason Calacanis on Twitter.
- timedalkat
I'm currently in the hospital and i suddenly woke up in the middle of the night at 3:30 AM and couldn't fall a sleep again, so i turned on my cell phone and in the magic of that quite hospital night i found out from Facebook's statuses of my friends that he's dead. It was a very sad and strange feeling.
- Tibor Holoda
Got a txt msg just after 2p (MJ Cardiac Arrest 911) - Turned to my friend and said what the msg said and "He is goinna die" due to Ed McMahon dying earlier this week and that whole 'dying in 3s" thing. I didn't know about Farrah Fawcett until around 5pm. I was away from my computer al day and don't have a 'smartphone.'
- RAD Moose
Saw it in a Swedish tabloid (?) in a Coöp Nara (grocery) in Stockholm. It was in Swedish, but Michael Jackson 1958-2009 was clear enough.
- Ruchira S. Datta
twitter
- Jeffrey Marsh
From a sports radio show
- Yiorgos Adamopoulos
overheard at Whole Foods. Mistrusted, unable to hear on radio (at 6:30 EST); confirmed at 7:10 via the New York Times who had just reported it.
- Stephanie_GoBigBlue!
MJ died?
- Keith - @tsudo
haha - haven't you heard!
- Mark Harai
from email
Twitter/FriendFeed. Way before the media.
- Amit Morson
Facebook
- Bob Blunk
friendfeed
- John Black
twitter
- Chad
Facebook
- Scott Gould
Facebook
- Sai
A tweet from Mona on FriendFeed.
- Kol Tregaskes
my friendfeed friends told me
- Mike Chelen
Michael who?
- Nick B.
From a friend....trur word-of-mouth. I was in the Sierras at the Northern California Dance Collective with no internet or TV access.
- Mitchell Tsai
friendfeed
- Bren, Photophobe
LIVE session by Iranians just back from Iran. NOW: http://www.ustream.tv/channel... #iranelection #gr88 #neda
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Watching now. Learning much. #voicesfromiran
- Robert Stevens
Mohammed Khatami, Issues a Strategy Plan to The People of Iran | ReleaseIran.com - http://www.releaseiran.com/2009...
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"In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful. We are no longer going to waste our energy. We have said what needed to be said to the world, however now it’s time to act rather efficiently. Effective this Tuesday June 23rd, 2009, every morning we shall protest towards the main bazaars of every single city in Iran. Should the revolutionary guards try to avoid the situation, the bazaar will be shut down. Should they don’t react to our protests, due to the mayhem caused by protesters, the bazaar will automatically shut down. Should they try to cut the phone lines around the country, yet again there will be a massive conflict within all the activities, resulting in the bazaar shutting down."
- Wallace
from Bookmarklet
Dispute flares over which tech firms are helping Iran eavesdrop - http://apt.jauderho.com/post...
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Dispute flares over which tech firms are helping Iran eavesdrop: A Nokia-Siemens joint venture flatly denies reports alleging it provided Internet wiretapping gear to Iran, leaving the question open: Who’s helping the Iranian Internet snoops? Or are their Net…
- Jauder Ho Auto
NEDA last question to POTUS: "It's hearbreaking!!!!" He's trying hard not to get pulled in. I'm sure he breaks down with Michelle. He's staying on course. He's POTUS!
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Walked narrow band, this is an internal issue, my words have been twisted by Iran gov't...Andrea Mitchell
- Myrna
Gene Robinson: He did turn up the heat on rhetoric..he made clear, we really don't have a lot of good news for Iranian public.
- Myrna
POTUS realizes everyone is watching and listening to his words and actions.(on Iran) He's not a senator who can say practically anything that comes to mind. And he's certainly is not our past president who acted totally from..... uh Iraq????
- Myrna
He must stay strong for the good of Iranian people.
- Myrna
[Pics & Vids] Iranian protesters aren’t the vandals– The POLICE are! - http://www.thedailybackground.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/wrzl...)
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The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan: Quote For The Day - http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_dai...
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From "You Who Wronged," by Czeslaw Milosz: "Though everyone bowed down before you, Saying virtue and wisdom lit your way, Striking gold medals in your honor, Glad to have survived another day, Do not feel safe. The poet remembers. You can kill one, but another is born. The words are written down, the deed, the date."
- Myrna
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Wow! deep deep poem never heard it before
- amirreader
Amir, if you click link you can read the whole poem. Btw, if you want to join Iran group anyone http://friendfeed.com/greenwa...
- Myrna
Myrna, here's a photo of Neda I don't believe has been widely seen: http://bit.ly/U45eQ
- Robert Stevens
Thanks Robert! Did you join The Iranian Green Wave group?
- Myrna
Myrna. Just joined.
- Robert Stevens
IRAN: This is NEDA! friends, family describe woman who became an icon | Babylon & Beyond | Los Angeles Times - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylon...
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"She was “a beam of light,” a music and travel lover -- but never an activist. Friends and family of Neda Agha-Soltan spoke to The Times’ Borzou Daragahi about the 26-year-old Iranian woman seen bleeding on the streets of Tehran in shaky video footage that has turned her into an international symbol of the protest movement: The first word came from abroad. An aunt in the United States called her Saturday in a panic. "Don't go out into the streets, Golshad," she told her. "They're killing people." The relative proceeded to describe a video, airing on exile television channels that are jammed in Iran, in which a young woman is shown bleeding to death as her companion calls out, "Neda! Neda!" A dark premonition swept over Golshad, who asked that her real name not be published. She began calling the cellphone and home number of her friend Neda Agha-Soltan, who had gone to the chaotic demonstration with a group of friends, but Neda didn't answer. At midnight, as the city continued to...
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- Myrna
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Thank you for posting this. It doesn't seem appropriate to click on Like, but this is a good article about the tragedy.
- Amy℠
Amy, when I said like feels funny to click myself, the reply to me was like doesn't mean like here. It means support for Iran freedom.
- Myrna
I'll like it. I'll like an icon, if it means showing support for a nation.
- Helen Sventitsky
Ok Helen, you do it :) You're an artist. 'Like' doesn't always mean 'like'. That would be so cool.
- Myrna
IRAN: Neda Agha-Soltan's grave - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylon...
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"Neda was buried under heavy censorship of media and no one was present These are the first images from her burial site. The government did not allow to hold any funeral for her and buried her silently in unknown position. Her burial site was just revealed. She is the face to the Iran protest movement, shoot to heart and killed by Bajij militia forces of government in Tehran protests, 20jun Burial site: Tehran, Behesht Zahra, grid=257, row=41, num=32 Head stone says: ندا آقا سلطان - قطعه 257 - رديف 41 - شماره 32 The head stone is the temporary one which is used before installing the permanent one."
- Myrna
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Myrna, did you see @RudyBakhtiar on CNN? She said Khamenei had Neda's blood on his hands for saying on Friday there would be blood if protesters returned to streets on Saturday. She also said the new cry going up from rooftops at night is "Death to the leader who has blood on his hands".
- Robert Stevens
@Robert She is rite
- Amir
:'(
- Ayşe E.
Amir, I was on some of the state-run news website earlier. What regime media organs are saying about deaths defies believability: The murders were committed by terrorists who have since been arrested. Don't know who the regime means by "terrorists", but I do know that "all the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten [its] little hand." (Lady Macbeth, sleepwalking scene)
- Robert Stevens
I saw. I'm watching in my waking hours in between posting hot fudge sundaes on FF. I need a few minutes break here and there. :) Hey, just heard John Ghazvinian http://ff.im/4jcMC on Keith Olbermann..brilliant scholar on Iran said it would be the 'kiss of death' if Obama helps Iranian protesters even in his rhetoric. Now we know(well some of us knew) why Obama is utterly careful with his words, never mind actions.
- Myrna
Robert, "all the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten [its] little hand." that's a mightly sweet one!
- Myrna
Robert: yeah, if she was killed by terrorists why is everyone kept from mourning her death in public? Ahh, the perverted logic. It's too bad that people have to put up with this crap.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe not forever.
- Chris Baskind
Robert Scoble, to grow, to grow.
- Myrna
@Scoble: Kyra Phillips got it right on CNN this afternoon when she compared the Basiji to "SS thugs". Good for her. Also, she had a phone interview with an anonymous young Iranian woman inside Iran that was very inspiring. Responding to a question by Kyra about women taking to the streets, the young woman said she believed women were more fierce on the streets than Iranian men. That elicited a very audible round of applause from the techies in the control room. It was a beautiful moment.
- Robert Stevens
@Amir, what happened to you? Good to see you back. May God rest her in peace. Neda you will never be forgotten
- Amit Nangare
Family, friends mourn Neda Agha-Soltan, Iranian woman whose death was caught on video - Los Angeles Times - http://www.latimes.com/news...
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Check this video out -- Neda Soltani - Passport Photo http://www.youtube.com/watch... #Neda
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Video of New York City Protest for Iran http://www.youtube.com/watch... #iranelection
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Thank you tweeps for being part of this :-) http://twitpic.com/7sx9t #iranelection
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RT @carwinbiloquist Video Dem today 6/21 http://www.youtube.com/watch... -- very clear audio on that "Marg Bar Dictator"
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90.000 Iranians Protested in Paris for Democracy and Free Election in Iran: http://www.youtube.com/index... #Iranelection #Neda
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PLS RT- World unites for democracy in Iran http://www.youtube.com/watch... #IranElection #Azadi #Ashraf #Rajavi #Neda
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New video: Chaos in Tehran 20 June 2009 (youtube) http://www.youtube.com/watch... #iranelection
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Berlin protest 21 June 2009 (youtube) http://www.youtube.com/watch... http://www.youtube.com/watch... #iranelection
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Videos from rally in Washington DC http://www.youtube.com/watch... http://www.youtube.com/watch... http://www.youtube.com/watch... http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Police attacking ppl with tear gas, fr June 20 http://www.youtube.com/watch... #iranelection
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Check this video out -- NEDA befor she was shot http://www.youtube.com/watch... #iranelection
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YouTube - amirabad 88 03 30 "powerful rallying cry for whole free world" - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Do you know what they are saying?
- Anne Bouey
I didn't hear any audio, did you? Well you can imagine what they're saying. Anne, who can make the Iranian gov't stop? What would Bush have done? Should Obama get International community to put sanctions on Iran? What can Obama do?
- Myrna
They say "death to dictator " and " using your tank and artillery and Basiji (militias) against us are no longer effective in other words we are no longer scared of your bullets and militias.
- amirreader
Amir, I was thinking. Maybe the protesters MUST do this by themselves. I mean for bigger reasons, to change something. You know how a young kid has to go out without his mother or what about wild baby animals have to finally go out and learn to hunt. Look at what you translated already from the video. "We're not afraid any more or not scared" That comes from taking charge of their battle, you know? It's not easy to make big changes. But they will do it. "enough is enough"-30 yrs!!
- Myrna
I agree with you Myrna but some kind of international support MAY be a help however I think Hillary has some Iranian lobbyist who are giving the administration some directions...my problem with Obama is as I said it before his indifferent cool tone not what he does or what he has said so far.
- amirreader
Well, he's not emotional like me lol so I think that's good. Trust me, emotions don't make good decisions.
- Myrna
Oh, so that's sounds like good news about Iranian lobbyist helping. Believe me Obama is not standing around doing nothing. I'm sure they are talking about it every minute now.
- Myrna
Up until Friday, Obama's excuse for his soft response made sense. But not any more. He saw what happened today. He saw how the Iranian regime crushed the people. He needs to change his tone and let the mullahs know that the international pressure is buliding up on them. But he seems like he's sacrificing this for his "diplomacy of negotiations" with an illegitimate regime. That is NOT acceptable. I wish Bush were the President now.
- Kash
Bush would trip over his feet and then you would take back your words.
- Myrna
I'm very glad Bush is not president right now.
- Matthew DeVries
Maybe the first Bush.
- Matthew DeVries
The situation is complicated. I know you want the killing to stop but sometimes these hard fights have to be for change to take place.
- Myrna
Thank you, amirreader.
- Anne Bouey
It took 4 years of American's dying before the Spanish would sell us weapons and the French to get off their asses and come save us. America has wasted too much time trying repay what the French did for us, for countries who were not pot-committed.
- Matthew DeVries
pot-committed? Mathew
- Myrna
Poker term. Think "all in". Willing to see it through till the end.
- Matthew DeVries
Your welcome Anne ! you know what ? when 9/11 happened many Iranians marched on streets with candles showing solidarity with Americans under this brutal regime and Guess what ? today was OUR kind of 9/11 the leader of the free world was out having fun with his daughter having ice cream in public that was disgusting to me
- amirreader
I agree.
- Myrna
Amir, but sometimes people have to go through the hard struggles to fix the change. It's difficult to accept especially when you're going through the hard stuff but its true. No one wants to see people die. It's painful. I can't do anything now except watch the news all day waiting for something to break. Just lets pray that the 'light' will be there for the protesters.
- Myrna
No matter what Obama says or does, the Iranian regime WILL say that the US is meddling as Khamenei did on Friday. And they will force confeesions out of the arrested to show the people that the CIA was involved in staging all this. So Obama's current position is not going to change anything. As for Bush, I heard him over and over saying " When you Iranian people stand up for you freedom, America will stand with you" and that meant ALOT to me.
- Kash
Yes, Kash, I understand and that comment made my eyes tear. I understand but believe me, everything happens for a reason. There will be good that comes from this. The protesters are role models for the whole world. You know, there are bigger reasons for the things that happen, more than we can know with our 5 senses. This is big stuff!! And so was 9/11.
- Myrna
Myrna I appreciate your feelings from the bottom of my heart. The reason I am saying all this to you is because I admire the values that have shaped US foreign policy since the beginning of your republic. Values such as the determination to help the suffering, the belief that everywhere people should be allowed to govern themselves and not be oppressed by others and the conviction that...
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- Kash
Ok, tomorrow he will say more.
- Myrna
We already don't have any relations with US. Obama's statements as long as he doesn't acknowledge legitimacy of the election makes no help and is degrading even.
- شوخی
already they are talking about US stimulating. If they have an official say they will play it over and over. Obama's position have been helpful to be silent
- شوخی
So you're saying you think Obama is doing the right thing so far?
- Myrna
Andrew Sullivan in The Daily Dish had this to say about Obama's comments: Did you notice how many times he invoked the word "justice" in his message? That's the word that will resonate most deeply with the Iranian resistance. What a relief to have someone with this degree of restraint and prudence and empathy - refusing to be baited by Khamenei or the neocons, and yet taking an eloquent...
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- Anne Bouey
I agree Anne but some people who are feeling the pain of lives lost in Iran want Obama to say/do something more. It's difficult to explain that sometimes saying less is better in the end.
- Myrna
I just quoted in my last feed President Reagan on Polish government declaring martial law to crush Solidarity on December 23, 1981. I think in times like this, what reagan said is the least the President of United States can say or do.
- Kash
Kash, tomorrow we will continue...too tired to think. :)
- Myrna
I am not sure I read all messages, I would like Obama to speak in favour of freedom and condemn killing of protesters, but there is very fine line between expressing your view (even as president) and getting involved in other country affairs if public way. It was the American way till now to go and 'fix' the world, and always their way, Obama is different. Also I think, as much as it...
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- Roni Segoly
I agree Roni about better not wanting to 'fix the whole world'...in our image. I've learned that in my own life..support and 'fixing' though is a fine line. I'd rather focus on this than your last thought :))
- Myrna
Iran Uprising | June 20th Protests | 6 - http://2ty.org/photos...
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Shandiz, do you still think Obama should stay out of it?
- Myrna
Myrna: yes, Obama should stay out. Otherwise Iran will be able to demonize the protesters.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's what I think but some people who are in pain(Iranians) for their friends and family think he should organize EU nations to 'do something'. It appears to them that he's taking it lightly when people are dying in the streets. I read some tweets that people are angry at him that he took his daughters out for ice cream today while people are getting killed in Iran.
- Myrna
yes Myrna/ it'll make it worse if he steps in/ trust me
- Shandiz
I think he's deliberate in his non action, not that he couldn't do something if he thought it would achieve the best outcome of the Iranian people.
- Myrna
Shandiz, you don't have to convince me..you're preaching to the choir here but some Iranians would like to see a stronger reaction from him. I say its just that he has a balanced non emotional affect when he speaks and it looks to some like he doesn't care. I know he does.
- Myrna
I don't have any words to describe it! these ppl are all iranian and killing each other but.....all we need from other countries is to support us and spread the news and let us be heard and seen
- Shandiz
well the history tells something else! US is not just Obama/ how can I forget Afghanistan and Iraq and what US did to them!
- Shandiz
And I think that's whats happening. CNN stopped talking about Iran for 1 hour all day. For the other 23 hours they continued showing videos, pictures and discussions.
- Myrna
You're right!
- Myrna
Obama has played this crisis like a chess master, Myrna, and beating the Persians at the game they invented. The regime is itching to pin this on American meddling. In order for the Iranian Army and some elements of the IRGC to side with the opposition It's absolutely necessary it not appear as if America is taking advantage of Iran's chaos.
- Robert Stevens
I agree.
- Myrna
You said it so clearly as well!
- Myrna
+++Robert Stevens
- Shandiz
This is the problem Robert and Shandiz...who's going to stop this? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Myrna
Leading reformists inside Iran are adamant about Obama being hands-off, but what breaks my heart is the young man on the street in Tehran who said if Obama didn't do something the movement was doomed.
- Robert Stevens
Always 2 sides to every story.
- Myrna
Myrna: the people of Iran have to stop it.
- Robert Scoble
Your heart will be broken again when you see the youtube video i just posted.
- Myrna
I know Robert.
- Myrna
Well, Walid Phares seems to think the movement is much broader than it was even a few days ago. He's predicting that labor and ethnic minorities will become actively involved.
- Robert Stevens
I saw it last night Myrna, I couldn't even cry/ poor girl/ it could be me or one of my frnds :((
- Shandiz
This is a good chance for the United Nations to step in and take over the 'world police' role the US took on years ago.
- Mona Nomura
Myrna: the citizens are already chanting "death to Khamenie" (death to the Supreme Leader). That is the first time in 30 years that is openly being chanted.
- Robert Scoble
what is United Nations??????I can't trust them to be honest/ the only one I can trust is my own ppl, Iranians
- Shandiz
I know good things are going to come out of this Robert, I know!!
- Myrna
this is so courges of them to chanting this as they can execute you in Iran if you insult Khameniei!!!!
- Shandiz
Shandiz, read what an Iranian 'expert' said today: Iran expert Karim Sadjadpour: "It's amazing how much Iranian culture has matured. Iran's population is not like other Middle Eastern countries. Achmadinejad's mere presence is a disaster for Iran."
- Myrna
@shandiz: The ironic thing is Khamenei trying to impose a media blackout but the BBC played a huge part in Khomeini and the revolution overthrowing the Shah.
- Robert Stevens
FYI everyone: Latest rumor is that Rafsanjani's family is being rounded up.
- Robert Stevens
Rumor Robert? Not sure I trust a rumor.
- Myrna
Any Farsi speakers? Tweet on Rafsanjani had this link: http://www.inn.ir/newsdet...
- Robert Stevens
we already tweet the news in Farsi ;)
- Shandiz
Shandiz: Is that report accurate? Has Rafsanjani's daughter been arrested and charged with sedition?
- Robert Stevens
Robert: these days I can't trust anything but I'm just checking it w/ my frnds as they know better than the backgrounds of these news websites and weather they're hacked or not / let u know shortly
- Shandiz
Thank you Penelope and Shandiz.
- Robert Stevens
I want Obama out. His word is a trigger to label these people. On one hand Mousavi is asking people to use "god is great" as slogans, and use relgious flags. We don't want any approval or sympathy from US or Western Countries. If you can get Turky's muslim government to say something pleae do so, but not US with a dark history in Iran
- شوخی
Robert:I asked my frnds / they're saying that this website is related to IRAN newspaper( don't know what side is this paper is) some of them saying its a rumor some saying it true!!!!!
- Shandiz
Thanks Shandiz.
- Robert Stevens
CNN International carrying Mottaki press conference live right now.
- Robert Stevens
that website is not trustable as I can see/ it is linked to Fars news which all know what sort of website is!!!!
- Shandiz
Thank you Penelope.
- Robert Stevens
بابا صورت اینها رو شطرنجی کنید! مدزک دزست میکنید برای اطلاعات؟
- Habi
Obama's involvement would be lethal, but the rational given by his press secretary today was horrific. Massive human rights violations by a regime chalked up as "problem in Iran between Iranians." That is a statement for open ended abuse, in all nations. He needs to push the UN.
- E-Advocate Network
Robert, anything new this morning? Watching news here.
- Myrna
It seems that grandson of Rafsanjani confirms that the the daugther of Hashemi is arrested
- شوخی
Shimon Perez from Israel to Iran young people: "let the yong people raise their voices.."
- Myrna
Mottaki: Possiblity of organized disruption is almost close to 0 given the presence of the people who're holding the election #iranelection
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Members of Hashemi Rafsanjani's Family being arrested including his daughter Faezeh: http://www.inn.ir/newsdet... #Neda
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babak hamadani: I have a feeling a lot of new born girls will be named Neda #iranelection - http://twitter.com/kabab...
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And maybe even boys. I wouldn't mind naming my son Neda.
- Robert Scoble
Why friendfeed is better for Iranian students than Twitter and why I love it so much @zbowling see here:
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Friendfeed is better for Iranian students because you can have private groups that the state can't see into.
- Robert Scoble
The search here is much better, especially if you have groups of people who you are following.
- Robert Scoble
Because of features like "likes" news is easier to spread to your friends.
- Robert Scoble
yeah, FF search is the best I've seen for anything real time.
- Tony
Technically friendfeed is way ahead of other networks. You are seeing the news in real time here, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
Friend management is MUCH better here. On Twitter you can only have one list of friends. Here? Infinite.
- Robert Scoble
Why is FriendFeed better than Facebook? Infinite numbers of friends, which makes it better for organizing protests and such.
- Robert Scoble
Should we be pinging CNN to get on Friendfeed too, Robert? @DonLemonCNN & others are still hitting refresh on their web browsers.
- Alex Howard
Direct messaging is 1000x better here than on Twitter or Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: CNN is clueless.
- Robert Scoble
Hah. Well, sure. But we can help them. And by doing so, help us all, no?
- Alex Howard
FF just needs Oprah and Ashton to join... everyone I know who isn't a TechCrunch junkie is just hearing about Twitter (over and over again these days), and has no idea that FF exists.
- Ryan Mickle
I like being able to get instant emails from friends- "imaginary friends" is the best hidden feature in FriendFeed
- joebrooks
Alex: I tried last weekend and at the Twitter conference with CNN, but they don't ask for help. They think they are so cool because they read Tweets on air.
- Robert Scoble
joebrooks: yeah, FriendFeed's IM and email integration is so much better than Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
If the state is able to intercept the communications, they need not see into the rooms as they already have the http post data.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
(but that's not to say that the majority of what is above is incorrect)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: the state is, although many of the students are using proxy servers that encrypt all communications.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Sorry to hear that -- not that you tried -- but that they didn't listen. So much potential to meld the real-time Web with the cable news networks. Caught myself getting upset with the CNN anchors today. No attribution of Tweets or the YouTube videos they are showing.
- Alex Howard
Rob: the only way you can use Twitter and friendfeed in Iran right now is through proxy servers.
- Robert Scoble
I'm aware of that, but the data is not encrypted before the proxy, only after
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Also, here when we have a conversation with tons of Tweets like this one you can bundle up the whole bunch and link people to the entire conversation. That's impossible to do on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: one might argue that the fact twitter is open has helped them quite a bit
- BryanSchuetz
Bryan: yes, Twitter is getting more than its fair share of mentions because Twitter is simple, open, and public.
- Robert Scoble
if it's all private you can't get the mob involved
- BryanSchuetz
but once the mob is involved keeping it going in a good direction becomes difficult
- BryanSchuetz
Bryan: I told 15 people I was quitting Microsoft and within three days had tens of millions of media mentions. You'd be surprised how fast things move from small groups to big mobs.
- Robert Scoble
using "mob" intentionally here as well. Lots of missteps going on from all the people on twitter trying to help but unwittingly making things worse
- BryanSchuetz
Friendfeed seems more resilient against disinformation - there is a great deal of disinformation and warnings against it on twitter right now
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert, great points on why Friendfeed would be of use to Iranian students. Given that they're limited to short bursts of transmission or tunneling in on the Web to upload video, I wonder whether students in-country would really be better served.
- Alex Howard
While I agree with your technical sentiments, let's remember that this is about the people of Iran. I am more than willing to use as many channels as necessary to provide aid. Yes to Twitter, to Friendfeed, to Facebook. Heck, let's even include Orkut for that matter. But the most important channel of communications is between ourselves and our God. May God's will be made known to all...
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- Lorin Olsen
You can't expect CNN to be this far ahead of the curve. Even though I agree that they would benefit immensely from using services like FF, they are just getting started with this. At least they are trying new things. I think that the "old media" are waking up just in time. It will be interesting to see what television will look like a few years from now.
- Wim Mulder
guruvan, perhaps Friendfeed seems more "resilient" because the userbase is at least an order of magnitude smaller?
- William Anderson
I think event news will continue to look more like what CNN is doing, sifting through the online media for real people telling truth and giving perspective from on the ground in hotspots
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
guruvan you mean they will actually ...whats the word for it... report?
- BryanSchuetz
Lorin: you are very close to getting blocked for trying to take the conversation back to some sort of religious argument.
- Robert Scoble
William: perhaps, but there is also more leadership here on FriendFeed, and it's not quite such a mob in the first place. the more organized discussions lead people to gravitate toward each other, and natural leaders come forth - I've just over the last hour spent some time looking therough a few feeds, and translating as fast as I can, and seen exactly this
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
William: Twitter was ALWAYS down when it had far fewer people on it than friendfeed has today. Friendfeed is done by five superstars from Google. The technology here is so much better than Twitter's it isn't even funny.
- Robert Scoble
You all should watch the Public Feed here and see how much Farsi is being used: http://friendfeed.com/public
- Robert Scoble
In Twitter's defense, they're holding up under the current pressure pretty well.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: true. Twitter has gotten 1000x better recently. They've also been hiring many of SIlicon Valley's biggest tech stars too.
- Robert Scoble
scoble I just want that translator bot from the google wave demo in here for that public stream
- BryanSchuetz
Can twitter access through third party software like seesmic desktop if it is blocked?
- Nyan Min
Yes Farsi is good here Robert !!!
- Myrna
Bryan: I mean that the people will report, and the news organizations will try to determine the truth by corroborating stories, and centralizing information, and then distribute more easily digested chunks of the reports - something like twitter is very difficult for average people to digest for news. I have several search streams running and it's very difficult to kepp up
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert: I wasn't referring to technical resiliency.
- William Anderson
Nyan: not sure, possibly. In China my blog is blocked but I could see my blog on Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
Nyan: It's likely that access through many clients is broken, but it is also likely that the governement does not know of every client. Clients that are unknown, or use transport other than port 80 http are more likely to work from Iran.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Guruvan: I hope so. CNN simply reading tweets on the air is not how I think MSM should be using tools like that. They are tools that can help them find the story, they seem to be making the tools the story, which is doubly irritating because we all understand the tools better than they do.
- BryanSchuetz
In the absence of other verifiable news, you might as well read tweets on the air. Especially if you have some kind of backend tweet processing that is filtering things like the more RTed phrases, links etc etc. (not that they are doing that, I don't really know, but I do doubt it....they should maybe hire me to build it) ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@scobleizer The only question I'd have for you on this -- I validate your points -- is in timing. Why advocate for FF now, when Twitter is clearly allowing Iranians to get info out? The tech is great, on any number of levels, but I'm a wee bit surprised to see the push for it pop up. Do you feel that strongly? I know you're personally invested in getting good information and protecting people, given your family, so I view your motives as fairly unimpeachable.
- Alex Howard
Alex: I've been advocating FF consistently no matter what the news is for more than a year now. Has nothing to do with now. And Twitter is blocked in Iran, just like FriendFeed. FriendFeed is a better place for students and protesters to organize. Why? Private rooms. Real TIme. And all the other reasons I give above.
- Robert Scoble
More clients need to be developed that include FriendFeed to make it more readily available in time of crisis and during information blockades
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
the key in this conversation is not which method is best for us , but what is most useful to those inside Iran. Friendfeed seems to be a much more cohesive way to communicate not as much noise, and the noise can be easily filtered
- Kim Landwehr
Yes Kim, I agree what can we do for Iranians here with FF.
- Myrna
Alex, Robert is just setting everything up for the next revelution so we can get better information quicker.
- Jason Remnant
Lets be honest, it will take more than a nifty social networking/micro blogging site to get the vote.
- Kevin J Hatton
Kevin: that's true, but small things can make huge changes in culture. Remember the one woman who refused to sit at the back of the bus?
- Robert Scoble
Jason: Exactly. Each one needs to be carried out better. Most importantly, each time we learn faster/better ways to deal with governments clamping down on communications. The internet is designed (inherently) as a tool of Freedom.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Robert Scoble I would have to agree with your point.
- Kevin J Hatton
Robert, now that your blog is no longer hosted by Wordpress, it may be accessible in China. Or perhaps the government just don't like you.
- Greg Byrne
Greg: that's true.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Aren't all discussions based upon spiritual premises? Ethics and politics are both derived from the deep-seated stirrings of our spirits. But I appreciate your point. I'll try not to preach. But that's hard for me as I am an evangelist by my very nature. BTW, so are you! Nevertheless, the point I was trying to make is that we should be glad for every channel, including Twitter....
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- Lorin Olsen
Lorin: we're talking about friendfeed here and I used to be a fundamentalist Christian and don't appreciate efforts to bring religious evangelism into conversations here for a whole lot of reasons. Iran is run by religious people, remember.
- Robert Scoble
Rob Nelson: Also, https://friendfeed.com is operational.
- Nick in Manila
Nick: Operational in Iran? Brett's post of their drop in traffic from Iran would suggest that both http and https are blocked, and the only thing getting through from Iran is proxies (and those are being blocked at a pretty good clip too)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob - You're right. You had commended on Iran being able to snoop http: protocol of FF. I was just pointing out FF also uses https. They can't snoop it, but they can indeed block it.
- Nick in Manila
Running something like FF or Twitter servers internally would let CNN and friends organize information and interoperate better. Sounds like a growth opportunity for FF.
- Ernie Oporto
Quick how-to setup a proxy if you have the means: http://gr88.tumblr.com/page/2 (mac instructions on previous page)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And Nick: /you/ can't snoop https, but most any government can. It is not very difficult.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It is easy to follow comments/likes. It is more valuable with previews to images. And if a part of your audience is using Twitter, you can sync it to FF.
- Burcu Dogan
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