Am I alone in noticing that there is an overlap in both membership and rhetoric in the crowd telling us how much we need Twitter today and those telling us how much we needed Second Life a few years ago?
The only mention I ever hear of Second Life is on NPR's Science Friday. Also @scifri :o)
- Paul Reynolds
In my circle, I don't see a lot of overlap. I see all new people pumping Twitter - people for whom this is their first big web trend - and haven't experienced how quickly services fall out of favor. Somedays, I feel Casandra-esque.
- Garrick Van Buren
Second Life is still around, it's growing and it's profitable.
- Mitch Wagner
Actually, I just saw twitter fed offers of shelter that are counteracting the d-baggery and flippancy. I had the same problem circa post-Katrina floodwall failure, when people thought it was time to joke around while bodies were still floating in the streets. These are fellow humans, people.
- Dave Slusher
I get an RSS feed everyday from twitter with people who use the words "Myrtle Beach"
- Andre Pope
This furthers my "amplification" metaphor that the internet makes the good better and the bad worse.
- J Wynia
I monitor "Myrtle Beach" too. The local paper is guilty of it as well. Every headline says Myrtle Beach. They need to use Grand Strand like they use Chicagoland in Illinois.
- Paul Reynolds
I will say my @bakersdog got a lot of tweets yesterday morning asking if we were ok and what was going on. Several people I rarely interact with. It was good feedback that I've made an impression on people to the point where they know where I'm located and they actually thought of me.
- Paul Reynolds
I'm thinking hard about taking a FriendFeed timeout. It feels like I have a big imbalance between the time I use it and the value I receive from it. I also really don't like that I used to blog 10 times a week and now I do it once or twice a week.
I used to build value for myself, now I do it for FriendFeed. Others are doing it for Twitter or Facebook or whatever. This is the ugly underside of Web 2.0. We feel like we're conversing but we're really sharecroppers to make a few millionaires into billionaires. I'm having a 2.0 burnout/meltdown/rejection.
- Dave Slusher
In fact, I'm closing the web page right now. For the time being, my only interaction with FF will be through the ~ 1/10th of my subscriber list that goes to IM (mostly locals with whom I might conceivably have lunch.) Time to start following my gut, and this feels right.
- Dave Slusher
I think it's a good gut-call, Dave. I've also been trying to focus more on my blog. More writing, and more plugins to make interaction/commenting AT the blog itself connectable to interaction w/ social sites as well. If I get some value too, not so big a deal, IMO. So +1 on kicking it at EGC. Plus, not like we won't see notifications here, and the motivated people can go there to interact.
- Ken Kennedy
Your comment came in my IM, I haven't opened the web page since I shut it down a few hours ago.
- Dave Slusher
from IM
to clarify, I'm not forswearing FF absolutely but only interacting with it via IM. I'm hoping that keeps the time suck to a minimum.
- Dave Slusher
from IM
wow: "...we're really sharecroppers to make a few millionaires into billionaires..."— it's going to take me a while to comprehend this line. FF is just a tool, an offspring of BBSes, and forums, and chat rooms, and blogs, and IRC, and whatever else came before. Your use of it is voluntary. You're charged $0 to use it. You can delete your account any time. When, exactly were you sold into slavery—sorry, sharecropping—here?
- .LAG liked that
Obviously I'm going to need to find out how to block people via IM.
- Dave Slusher
from IM
this is the same bullshit argument that was used against us I Want Sandy users, that we had no reason to complain for the way they shut the company down. A few dozens of thousands of people used it, which created the value that got the site bought. We put our time into it. That's worse than not free, I don't give a fuck whether someone charged me cash or not.
- Dave Slusher
from IM
and this is exactly the dynamic that has made me think about going private. Some drive-by that I've never heard of and is not subscribed to me feels like they are welcome to come on in and give me shit. It's all very tiresome and has made the parts of this that used to be fun a real drag.
- Dave Slusher
from IM
Jesus, dude, get over yourself! I've been on FF since it launched. You're not subscribed to me, and I'm NOT SUBSCRIBED to you, it's the friend-of-friend feature....but goddamm...i want to block the hell out of your pompous *ss. Please, go private and STFU! Thankfully, FriendFeed has 'hide'...now hiding ALL comments with your name. adios!
- .LAG liked that
...try as I might, I can't hide this guy...ugh!
- .LAG liked that
Perform a noise reduction procedure.
- Amit Morson
All action and aggression here was taken by you. I'm not commenting on your items, I'm not calling you names. You sound like you were blocking me but you didn't so I'll do the deed. You started this by pushing back on my voluntary reduction of FF usage by telling me I was wrong since FF is voluntary - which made no sense. However, thanks for being the embodiment of exactly the sort of thing that has made FF stop being fun. I don't have to make the point, you did it perfectly. Have fun in life.
- Dave Slusher
(Ignoring the rest of the thread) - Yes, its also annoying that every Web 2.0 service seems to tweak their URLs to be the first result when people search for my name. I'm not concerned about the contents or connotations of anything I've written using my real name, but in retrospect I wish I'd thought more about claiming my name rather than let these services claim it. I should have used a pseudonym.
- DGentry
I was reminded recently of something that is at the root of my chafing with so much of media - big, small, old, new. So much of it is about getting scraps thrown to you by celebrities. I'm all about not needing or wanting the celebrities. That's where I diverge from practically everyone.
I saw a presentation where much was made of magnitude of follower counts in Twitter. If that matters to you, you and I have a fundamental disagreement about what things are of value in social media.
- Dave Slusher
Agreed, Dave. I'm far more interested in chatting with you about Doc Smith, etc. than I am what celebrities are babbling about.
- Ken Kennedy
That's one thing I actually like about the spambot follows. They totally invalidate any value that people perceive with the follower count. I also tend to immediately drop anyone begging for followers. I love that FriendFeed doesn't make those meaningless metrics easy to see.
- Paul Reynolds
Joe Strummer from THE FUTURE IS UNWRITTEN documentary: "I woke up with horror one day to realize that I had become exactly what I got into this business to destroy."
- Dave Slusher
I get enormous satisfaction from treating celebrities as peers AT BEST. I've had, for example, a very pleasant conversation with Walter Koenig about the comic book art of Dan Spiegle and it really was two fans talking. We were doing the long box switch as he was hunting right and I was hunting left and we met in the middle at a convention retailer table.
- Dave Slusher
Friend, who was editor of a local paper, said that if content was popularity driven, all they would publish was Brittney Spears- that's 90% of the online comments on their site.
- anna sauce
I'm actually not so happy with this post. It's one that came out less good than what I had in my head. I fiddled with it and edited it for 45 minutes and finally just hit publish. Maybe I'll take a better crack at it some other day.
- Dave Slusher
And so it begins. It's the most basic rule of online discourse - make any statement and someone will show up to tell you are wrong, for any statement up to and including that the sun rises in the east.
- Dave Slusher
cut yourself some slack dave, its a good thoughtful post - anything in the ebook space is positive as long as it pushes the potentials forward and broadens the audience (not that i have an opinion)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Good article and you are more articulate at saying what I am thinking. I agree there are some things you will want to purchase an ebook of and some things dead tree. BTW, Here is a good site for your kindle. http://feedbooks.com/ you can download mobipocket versions of most Gutenberg Press titles.
- Kreg Steppe
As much as I love Stephen Fry, I sense that Twitter et al are once more succumbing to the standard power law dynamics. I get tired of tools built to give everyone a voice then giving the famous a really really loud voice. Talk of who has the most followers is the ramp with which the shark is jumped.
Remember that period when it seemed possible for me to go pro as a podcaster? I think every single person that actually did and still is, I've seen report some form of money troubles. For all the suckitude in my life, I don't have those problems currently. I think I made the right call.
I let a little of my inner douchebag out just now. A well known new media personality, -one I've never met, am not a personal friend of nor a professional fan of - had signed me up for an email list without my consent. I could have unsubscribed easily, I chose instead to report it as spam to Gmail.
It's not impossible this person is a listener of mine and thought they were doing a decent thing. In which case, score it even farther in the prick column for me but it felt like settling up with the world for a brief moment.
- Dave Slusher
Calling bullshit in 2009: "Grow or die" is generally used to excuse ill advised attempts to push something beyond what is sensible. If you negate it you get "Stay the same size and live", which I don't find objectionable. Exhibit 1: Podcast Expo
I think my social networking goals are opposite of most. I don't want a huge noisy network full of argumentative trolls. I want a small network of people that actually matter to me and vice versa. I don't like it when my posts become active and draw in lots of random drive-bys.
In complete agreement, Dave. I'm all for people coming by and checking things out, but I have little tolerance for asshats. Like you said earlier, it's *Friend*feed.
- Ken Kennedy
pew pew pew! Sorry, Dave, couldn't help myself. :)
- Alex Scoble
The problem is its a narrow balance. At one point every single person I know online was out of my network and then came in. How do you balance letting in new people with protecting from onslaughts of ass-hattery? If I knew that, I'd be rich.
- Dave Slusher
You subscribe to people that provide good content and block the asshats.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, good content one day Asshat the next. Some people are not easily put in those containers and every now and then people have bad days. Its best to just subscribe to people you can tolerate.
- CW™
Hence my earlier post about zero tolerance. My block reflex is heightened in this times of escalated tensions on many topics.
- Dave Slusher
How about a counter meme to those sappy PSAs about how dangerous it is to post things about yourself on the internet: I find it plausible that in 10-20 years if you don't have that kind of historical embarrassing internet trail on yourself, your peers will find it suspicious and creepy.
try now - seems like every vc/vendor related meeting I attend now they've already googled me and my company's activities so that they're up to speed - if not, I tend to think less of them initially ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
I mean specifically those drunk pictures of mooning the camera and such that people are so worried about. I see this as an analog to parents being so afraid of abduction that they don't let their kids play outside, getting fat and unhealthy. Fear of the unknown danger prevents actually using the tools available to them, stunting growth. I'm saying this stigma of posting dumb stuff might even reverse. No dumb stuff means something wrong with you.
- Dave Slusher
Exactly! 20 years from now a person who does NOT have drunk Facebook pictures online will be suspicious - what was there to be whitewashed? or is this person too timid or antisocial?
- Bora Zivkovic
If so, I pity those of us who genuinely don't like drinking alcohol and acting like jackasses. Is this potential trend the kind of thing that could lead to someone Photoshopping themselves into spring break photos or staging photos with their head in the toilet just to seem normal?
- J Wynia
"drunk at a party" is just a shorthand for having a normal, relaxed human online presence and not just something on LinkedIn that looks like a Resume. You don't have to be drunk or at a party, just show humanity, which is sometimes embarassing. But not having any of that stuff online pegs you as someone who decided early on in life to run for President and is thus 'massaging' one's image decades in advance - in other words a poltroon you don't want running for any office for instance, or being a CEO.
- Bora Zivkovic
J, Bora hits it just like I was thinking. I don't necessarily mean literal intoxication but dumb kid behavior. For example, the CTO at one company I worked for had his Star Wars fan CGI pictures from when he was 17 on the 2nd page of google hits on his name. It could be your D&D campaigns or bad poetry or whatever. It's just the notion of having an online past vs a cipher.
- Dave Slusher
From that perspective, it does make sense. I've just heard it said very specifically about the spring-break style, drink-till-you-nearly-die kind of behavior as an indicator of "normalcy" and cringe at it every time.
- J Wynia
How long has it been dormant? They still have stuff that hasn't had activity since 2007 on there.
- Derek Coward
It should have been removed a long time ago. The last episode was mid-2006. I keep saying and meaning to re-start it, but clearly at this point, I'm in denial if I think it'll happen any time soon.
- J Wynia
Damn. Good to know you can get delisted. I'll have to try and remember to crank something out once in a blue moon.
- Paul Reynolds
Over the weekend, I was listening to a News Gang Live. Someone, I think Christian, said "Obama claims he saw (the credit crisis) coming and wanted more regulation. How would more regulation have helped?" That's such a dumb fucking statement I quit in disgust at that point.
Days later, I'm still boggling at this. As if regulation to make the issuers of default credit swaps hold reserves so they could actually pay the paper they issued, or maybe not issue DCS of more value than money that exists in the world, that sort of thing. Other than that, what could regulation have done?
- Dave Slusher
I'm not sure if I'd pay for that or not; I'd seriously consider it, though. It would really depend on how much discretionary funds I'd already used by the time I heard about the class.
- James (@willia4)
hear that, assuming you mean in general and not just political - having worked in hollywood for a portion of my career, never got the concept of star adulation - people are people, some just do different stuff is all ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
in general, in every context, i find it wearying. i'm more concerned with work product than personalities
- Dave Slusher
Chicago-style software:
“There’s the dot-com, Silicon Valley, blow-all-your-money-on-booze style. Then there’s the Chicago thing: Do something, do it well and be modest about it.”
-Adrian Holovaty from EveryBlock.com in Cyberstar
80% percent of the time, an 80/20 rule sounds reasonable in every context and 20% of the time it's actually true. 100% of the time people that use it are talking straight from their ass.