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An Open Letter to Elisa Steele EVP & Chief Marketing Officer, Yahoo Inc. on the New “The Internet is You,” Yahoo Marketing Campaign - http://thomashawk.com/2009...

October 13 from Thomas Hawk Digital Connection - Comment - Like - Share

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But yesterday, while we were conversing there, and without any warning or opportunity to take any sort of self-corrective action, your Community Manager went nuclear and destroyed all of that user data. All of it. Every last thread. With a push of a button. Threads that were meaningful and important to us. This was data that did not belong to Yahoo! Elisa. You destroyed something that did not belong to you. You destroyed hours and hours of peoples hard work maliciously and callously. You destroyed a group dedicated to free speech, but more significantly you destroyed a group that thousands of people had put significant emotional energy into. And do you know what your Community Manager was tweeting mere seconds before she nuked this very popular group Elisa? She was tweeting “I hate your freedom.” That’s right Elisa I, hate, your, freedom. That’s the image that I chose to go with this letter to you. A screenshot of her freedom hating tweet. - Thomas Hawk

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That message is just so malicious and personal. - Andrew Smith

Yes it is Andrew, unfortunately. But this is the message that Yahoo apparently seems to want to allow to be sent out to the masses when they rip apart an online community. - Thomas Hawk

Big thumbs up, Thomas! - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)

I am touched, Thomas. Thanks for writing this down and sharing it with us. The tweet from Heather was unwarranted. Flickr has always enjoyed a lot of community love - even when they merged with Yahoo. However, the last few episodes with the service have just left us all with a bad taste in our mouths and I think the time is now for them to dramatically change the way they function or... more... - Asfaq

I'm not in 100% agreement with you on this one Thomas, although I will say that it seems Flickr were far too quick in deleting the group. But the whole concept of 'freedom of speech' is more than a little wishy washy to me. Speech is one of a number of competing freedoms, and in the real world they just doesn't work. For true freedom, go and live on an island with a population of one -... more... - Gary

Gary, that's fine. And as someone who *clearly* had crossed a flickr line by posting threats of violence James should have had his account deleted by Flickr. He threatened people with violence. He clearly crossed a line. I would have had no problem with that. When his account was deleted every violent reference he made would be gone. But nuking a group of almost 3,500 people for his... more... - Thomas Hawk

My question now would be, did no one report him to Flickr? Could he not be ejected from the group? Some people, not necessarily you, were baiting him. I do agree that Flickr were too quick to nuke the group, but at the same time the group admins were too slow to address the problem themselves. You and other admins must have been aware of the potential consequences of having a running... more... - Gary

Gary, I believe the user was reported to Flickr, multiple times. They did nothing to him from what I understand. If you eject a user from the group they can just rejoin over and over and over again with new accounts. It solves nothing. Only flickr can ban actual IP addresses. FF is working out ok for now. It's not ideal. We had a lot of threads with images and gifs in them. You can't... more... - Thomas Hawk

I should add that Flickr did eventually nuke the user's account, but not until he made similar threats of violence in the Help Forum. - Thomas Hawk

Thomas...that's fair enough. More black marks to Flickr for not taking action sooner regarding James the Troll. I belong to a more general non photo forum where sock puppet accounts of banned users appear over and over again. The only solution is to not respond, but in any environment where there are a large number of users, there will always be one or two who snap back now and again. Do you think your 'running battles' with Flickr contributed to their being so trigger happy? - Gary

Btw, I wouldn't even give James the time of day. On your blog you said you'd give him the opportunity to reply. He was never going to contribute anything other than BS, and has proven that. You should just delete his comments. Leaving them there just encourages him. - Gary

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Photographer James Rhodes Thinks It’s Ok to Threaten People With Violence on the Internet - http://thomashawk.com/2009...

October 11 from Thomas Hawk Digital Connection - Comment - Like - Share

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I was deeply troubled by comments made in a Flickr forum that I admin by Photographer James Rhodes. His Flickr account is here where he goes by thevikingjames. He’s on Facebook here. For some reason Rhodes seems to blame me for internet harassment that he feels he’s suffered on the internet for admining an uncensored group on Flickr. He claims to have stalked me at the Dream Machines Show this past year in Half Moon Bay and has written that I didn’t know how close I came to being mugged by him at that event. Note. This is someone that I’ve never met in life and had no signficant interaction with on the internet prior to him making these sorts of threats. He’s made threats against other people in this internet forum as well. I’m not going to get into the details of this specifically, other than to say that I found it offensive that he’d suggest that he was stalking me at a public photographer event. And that he’d threaten physical violence against people over differences in photography... more... - Thomas Hawk

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On his web site, he says he's "someone a bit more talented than [Thomas Hawk]." Yet I can't find any of his photos. And threatening your family is lower than low. I'm sorry you're having to deal with this, Thomas. Good luck. - Celine Chamberlin

The sort of people who are capable of (and have a tendency to) carry out acts of violence, do it rather than talk about it on the internet. The sort that talk about it are usually morons who've been kicked around most of their lives and are just wannabe 'gangsters'. The internet is the only place that's going to happen and sadly for them, it only happens in a virtual, non real way. Not very satisfying. I wouldn't worry about him. - Gary

Sad, very sad. - ChiliMac

caution is advised - imran

Ugly, hope it doesn't escalate anymore, if it does there should be enough grounds for some sort of legal action. - Grant Bierman

: ( what is on his website right now is terribly disturbing. - carlotta fancypants

yeah carlotta. I've blocked him here. - Thomas Hawk

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Should SFPD Officer Noel Schwab Be Allowed to Threaten to Break A Skateboarder’s Arm “Like a Twig?” - http://thomashawk.com/2009...

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Youtube video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Thomas Hawk

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I usually like the videos you link too, particularly where photographers are getting unfairly harassed. But this one is such a non event. Sure, he shouldn't have said it. But it's hardly the offense of the year. - Gary

That's embarrassing. - Louis Gray

I don't know Gary. I don't think that law enforcement ought to be threatening to break people's arm. Especially over the crime of skateboarding, something that is relatively harmless. I suspect that if this officer is this hot-headed over something simple like this that he is a liability to the force. The type of person who feels that because he has a gun and a badge he is above the... more... - Thomas Hawk

While it isn't offense of the year, I wouldn't say it is a non-event -- and treating it that way makes it more likely to happen again, or under different circumstances. People behave this way because they feel like they're entitled to, and silence only reinforces that opinion. - Jennifer Dittrich

I hear what you're saying. But I watched the video, and I came to the conclusion that although he shouldn't have said it, there's no way I can make a sound judgement of any kind about what sort of a guy, or what sort of a cop, this chap is. Thomas, there have been a fair few times in my life where, had you video'd me for aminute or two, you'd think I'm a nasty piece of work. Other... more... - Gary

Jennifer - by non event, I meant in comparison to other videos Thomas has linked to in the past. As Louis said, it's embarrassing. It is. That's probably punishment enough. Would you throw the guy out of the force for what you've seen on that video? Personally, I would remind him, and his colleagues that they have a job to do, and that doesn't include abuse or threatening behaviour where it isn't warranted. Nothing more. - Gary

I don't think necessarily that he should lose his job, but I've also seen cases where people try to justify or marginalize that behavior by blaming the kid/woman/criminal/etc., which makes it harder to have a chastisement carry force. - Jennifer Dittrich

Going all "macho" will almost always escalate the tension in a situation, rather than have the effect he (supposedly) intended of tamping down any back-talking. I know cops have a tough job and deal with situations that we can't really appreciate, but he really started to get stupid here, and if this hadn't been just a group of skateboarders he could've had some real trouble on his hands. - Mark Jepsen

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Flickr: Discussing Flickr From Yahoo?! - http://www.flickr.com/groups...

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Interesting, flickr just changed the logo on all of their pages in the past few minutes. They just added the "from Yahoo!" logo to the flickr bug. - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet

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Yeah i JUst saw that. I guess this is Yahoo! screaming "see how cool we are!" Yahoo is their best and most valued asset from a user loyalty standpoint. - Adam Jackson

graphically it seems to clash. I'm not sure the colors and font go together very well and the Yahoo logo part feels very low res, almost pixelated and forced. I suppose glaring "Yahoo!" at people on Flickr from every single page though might be what Yahoo meant yesterday when they announced that their new marketing campaign was going to be "under, new management, yours?" - Thomas Hawk

It does seem a little pixelated. I'd take a forced logo over Yahoo changing the Flickr logo. - ChiliMac

I'm surprised they never did this years ago considering how successful it is. Now how long before they re-brand the del.icio.us logo? - Nick B.

That is really *really* bad. It looks horrible and bolted on and just...bad. - EricaJoy

something seems off with the Yahoo bug. It's like all pixelated or something. I think it might be a scaling issue. They should use a more professional looking higher res Yahoo logo. It almost makes me wonder if this Yahoo bug wasn't forced on the Flickr team and they purposely made it look crappy to protest the corporate mandate. - Thomas Hawk

I really wonder what they're trying to accomplish with that, in all honesty. Like what do they imagine this will do for them? Do they think people will look at the logo and immediately go to Yahoo's main site? I don't get the motivation at all, unless this is the first of many changes to come to flickr. - EricaJoy from IM

It doesn't look right to me, either. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

I don't like it. The colours don't work well together, neither do the style of the fonts. Surely they could have come up with something a little nicer. - Amy

clash of colors and fonts ... meh - johnpiercy

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An Open Letter to Elisa Steele EVP & Chief Marketing Officer, Yahoo Inc. - http://thomashawk.com/2009...

September 22 from Thomas Hawk Digital Connection - Comment - Like - Share

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Dear Elisa, Thank you today for sharing your vision for the new Yahoo! over at the Yahoo! blog today. Your new tagline “under new management…yours,” is refreshing indeed. Sometimes it takes new management to shake things up. I applaud your spirit in suggesting that “I” Thomas Hawk ought to have a say in how Yahoo’s management is run going forward. In your letter to all of us you write: “The core of our message will focus on YOU. It will celebrate all of your individual wants, needs, interests, and passions. That’s because Yahoo! really is all about you — we’re constantly evolving to give you more of what you want and less of what you don’t. We want you to make the Web your own and are designing products to put you in the driver’s seat of your Internet experience. Our new brand positioning reflects that.” I thought that that I’d take a few minutes out of my busy morning browsing photos on Flickr (I browse hundreds a day) to share with you just exactly how you might “celebrate” my... more... - Thomas Hawk

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At one point my account was rated as NIPSA, which is ridiculous if you look at what I post. And it took me a while to figure out that it was why my photos weren't showing up in public groups. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

Since flickr has a public moderation system, it is better that they use that than the secret NIPSA flag to hide images behind your back. Hopefully Elisa Steele reads this letter and takes it to heart. I'm convinced now more than ever that it is going to take actual management at Yahoo or others at the shareholder level to effect change as the decision makers at Flickr simply don't care. Unfortunately. - Thomas Hawk

They fixed it pretty quickly after I complained, but that sort of content flagging really ought to be more obvious. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

Plug1 had his entire account NIPSA'd for a while too. They did it to me as well for several months. 100% of my photostream was NIPSA'd. The worst thing about it is that it's secret and you don't know. They still have individual images of mine NIPSA'd that are not offensive in the least, merely critical of censorship practices at Flickr. I've emailed them asking them to provide me a list of my images that they've classified as NIPSA but they haven't responded to this request yet. - Thomas Hawk

I have to ask the question: Why continue to support Flickr with your patronage when they have taken such a ham-fisted approach to their userbase and their community? Not that I think they're in the right on many of their latest questionable actions, but why not just leave and encourage others to do the same? What's the piece of this I'm missing? - Bryce Moore

Bryce - for me it's the investment in time I've put into Flickr. Moving would not just entail sending nearly 6,000 photos to a new host (and for a lot of ppl here, we're talking a lot more photos than that), but also the fact that so many of my blog posts have photos attached from my Flickr account. Plus, a lot of other ppl and sites use my Flickr photos. Then there's the community aspect. Flickr accounts aren't the same as a blog account which can be exported out from one place and imported into another. - Gary

Bryce, Flickr is a unique photographic community like none other. As strongly as I object to the ways that they've treated me and others, the fact is that the community is the richest most vibrant community of photographers anywhere online. I don't think at present anyplace else comes close to that. And so for better or worse Flickr is it. I just wish that they cared a little more and... more... - Thomas Hawk

Gary and Thomas -- I understand the time investment. I can see where that can be a show-stopper. The community hasn't really been an issue for me, but that's mostly from my own lack of investment in it. I guess it is easier for a small potato like me to abandon Flickr than those such as yourselves which have thousands of images uploaded, embedded, and commented on. I only hope you're... more... - Bryce Moore

Some wise company should create an easy migrate tool that will pull flickr images and tags so that its painless to leave flickr. - EricaJoy

Smugmug offers that very tool for its users who are fleeing the evil clutches of flickr. ( Ok, that was meant to be a joke, but the tool is real) - Roberto Bonini

I don't think it's just about migrating images. That's the easy part. Rather, I think it's the community. I've got over 13,000 people who have made me a contact and view my images and posts there. I'm active in a group with over 3,000 members that is super active every day. This community interaction and engagement is firmly entrenched in Flickr and that's not likely to change.... more... - Thomas Hawk

I think this is a welcome reboot by Yahoo, and hopefully this is an underlying change, not just a marketing blitz and a ring of the Nasdaq opening bell. Of all the old-school internet companies, Yahoo seems to be the one with the biggest customer-service problem across their product line, so this couldn't come any faster. They should learn from Jeff Bezos, when they screw up (eg 1984), they should accept responsibility, fix the problem and move on! - 1001 noisy cameras

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The Nine Most Terrifying Words in the English Language are I'm From the Government And I'm Here to Help You on Flickr - Photo Sharing! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

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This afternoon around noon about 50 or so protesters (many wearing Bay Area Patriots t-shirts) took to Justin Herman Plaza in San Francisco protesting the Obama Healthcare plan. Although there were a few cops positioned at the protest to watch things, mostly the protest just involved peaceful assembly with protesters sharing their signs and opinions with people around who would listen. - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet

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It's like the paltry abortion ban walk that goes from Fort Mason down Embarcadero. - anna sauce

Why, why can't they count? - Ben Hanten

50 or so. That's about twice what I would expect for the Bay Area. Not bad. - Robert Kenney

Good point Ben. The actual quote was from Ronald Reagan and did actually have nine words. It looks like the protester added an extra "You" at the end of the quote making it ten words. - Thomas Hawk

I wonder if he's pay-as-you go, Veterans or Medicare - anna sauce

both those guys' hats said Veterans on them. I'd suspect that they are Veterans. - Thomas Hawk

I'm always fascinated that believers in a interventionist foreign policy involving major spending are so often cheap isolationists in domestic issues except birth control where they have strong opionions aboiut what women should do - WarLord

And Afghanistan is not intervention? - Alan Morris from iPhone

So two veterans, who are almost definitely either on VA or Medicare or both, don't like government solutions? What are their proposals, then? - Andrew C

Fox News will advise them. - Gary Fredrick

I can't think of any major nation that has a perfect health care system, but the current service in the US is laughable. In a couple of years I'll be leaving Mexico, and have pondered both a return to the UK or relocating to the US. But I only pondered a moment. I simply wouldn't choose to settle permanently in a country with such an uncertain health system, especially when starting a family is on the cards. As much as I'd love to live in a variety of US cities, I'll be going back to London. - Gary

I hear you Gary - I would love to be able to see the Doctor instead of waiting till I can't stand it anymore and going to the Emergency Room! - Robyn Hawk

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Robert Scoble on the Future of FriendFeed - http://thomashawk.com/2009...

August 11 from Thomas Hawk Digital Connection - Comment - Like - Share

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The downside for me? I invest time in things that WILL BE not that are. That’s always been what keeps my interest and now that I know that FriendFeed probably will not be, even if it takes five years to totally die, I’ve lost a great deal of interest in it. – Robert Scoble - Thomas Hawk

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After sleeping on the acquisition news I have two thoughts. 1. Maybe, just maybe, enough of the really good FriendFeed features will somehow make their way into Facebook and Facebook will actually get tolerable enough to use. Actually I’m not optimistic, but I will begin spending more time and using Facebook more because of this. I logged on yesterday for the first time in a while and... more... - Thomas Hawk

Thomas - agree with you on focusing on who (people/your company) and not what (network). I posted my thoughts about the conversations here and what it means for individuals and organizations today http://www.conversationagent.com/2009... - Valeria Maltoni

Maybe FB folks will read these comments and think about keeping FF. Have they heard about segmenting the market? - Leigh Marriner

Leigh, unfortunately the community of FF users is likely of zero concern to Facebook at all. We are a drop in their proverbial bucket. They probably could care less if we all went away. Facebook has no time to deal with some piddly little one million user community like FF when they've got hundreds of million to serve and need to compete against much larger entities. What remains is a void and I wonder if some talented engineer somewhere might be able to come up with something compelling. - Thomas Hawk

@Thomas +1 In fact, +10. - Andy C

Friendfeed got me to question the way I interact with the web.. one place for my content and conversations, leverage known experts to search through the crap, combined with a flexible open platform that can quickly morphed/integrated into various shapes/forms. After my trip (http://ff.im/4gfo2) I'm starting from scratch.. so I'm looking at friendfeed and asking what CAN'T it to for me?... more... - Chris Myles

The problem with Robert's quote is all the so-called cool and successful products and services now, are built on the backs of so-called failures. In the fullness of time, all technologies could be considered failures as they are supplanted by newer technologies and companies. Switching back and forth between different services as small bits of information flow in doesn't make you a long range predictor, it makes you a weathervane. - Cristo

I know FF might not be the most popular place for this now, but I <3 Cristo! - Clare Dibble

:) - Cristo

This just makes me sad. FF is still the best option out there, and though it is no longer a "will be", there's no other good replacement for it right now. FB certainly isn't. Twitter isn't. Posterous isn't... If Robert called for someone to recreate FF (and improve on it) he probably has the influence to make it happen, mold it even more toward his ideal. But instead, just wiping his... more... - Her Lindsay-ness

FF set a benchmark for how to use the streams of the internet in an open and social way. Paul and Bret along with the awesome FF team demonstrated and inspired the use of communication technologies that gave us a paradigm shift a kin to Ward Cunningham's 'Edit' function (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) which gave birth to the wiki ideology. They invented something that we... more... - David Bausola

If you don't know who Ward is: http://www.aboutus.org/Ward_Cu... - David Bausola

Oh, I wrote a blog post a while back, covering some of this thinking about using design to invent. http://zeroinfluence.wordpress.com/2008... - David Bausola

I recently saw something about the founder of delicious, who left for Google when Yahoo acquired delicious. It made me think that delicious is mostly the same as it was before Yahoo acquired it. There have been changes, but it is still a separate entity, with its own domain name and logo. Maybe this could work for facebook + friendfeed too. - Robert Felty

Robert: yes. I don't sense that FriendFeed will be turned off. That would be pretty stupid. But it will be interesting to see what happens to it and how they integrate it into Facebook itself. Unfortunately FriendFeed's systems were built to handle a few million people, not hundreds of millions of people, so it would probably need significant work to integrate it into Facebook. I hope to learn more soon from both teams about what will happen. - Robert Scoble

I was just catching up on exactly what Google Wave is, and I honestly think it has the potential of replacing nearly all our collaborative communication needs, even sites like FF. It seems crazy, but I often think about the digtial communication systems of the past (email, forums, IM) and how they never really went away, but they kept giving way to something 'new' that did certain things better but other things worse. - Ben Reierson

WAVE seems to do pretty much everything that all those past systems did, AND it has the real-time aspects of FF. All you'd need to do is add in the aggregation bit, and you're there. I love the idea of having ONE place for all my communications. No longer would I need outlook + FF + IM + Twitter. I could just have various groups of waves, all of them 'alive' with data. - Ben Reierson

I think Wave has lots of potential too. I got to play with it briefly and it was pretty confusing to use (though it also seemed to be encountering bugs when I was using it which contributed to the confusion). I think it or something like it will eventually replace the standards we use for online communication but it will be a learning curve, definitely. Also, it will need some means of discovery... FriendFeed's FoaF does a great job of finding me people with similar interests. - Her Lindsay-ness

I like all the ideas I'm hearing here. I was absolutely blown away by the Wave demo, and Building 43 seems like a very logical home for any FF replacement. Then, of course, there's the clone that Akiva says some friends of his are working on . . . - MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF

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The Friendfeedization Of Facebook - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...

July 21, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"As Facebook continues to roll out the full version of its new user profiles, it’s becoming clear that their primary goal isn’t, as they said in May, to simply create a cleaner user experience and allow developers to have more meaningful engagement points with users. It’s more about highlighting new content relevant to the user and fostering conversations about that content. And the result is that the Facebook home page looks an awful lot like the exponentially smaller activity stream aggregation service called Friendfeed." - Louis Gray from Bookmarklet

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there is ONE thing Facebook cannot replicate from Friendfeed. Speed of execution. FriendFeed will always be better and will always be one step ahead - Ouriel Ohayon

facebook who? - Fred Grott

That would be the site with 60m monthly visitors Fred. - Jamie

Coming from the other side, I’d like to see the Facebookization of Friendfeed (without sucking that is). FF is a great place for content and discussion, but not so much for community and social networking. - Hao Chen

Facebook's largely self-contained, immersive "social" and "fun" walled garden works especially well for interpersonal relations, and the upcoming facelift improves on those same principles. I'm impressed. That said, it's too heavyweight for active group conversations. FF has far and away the most effective implementation of group discussions, especially around "the rest of the web". It's great to have both FB and FF, each optimized around their use cases. - Amir Gharaat

The only thing I'm sure of is that Facebook will be unable to recommend the same 9 persons to add as friends to everyone - so hopefully we will still be able to choose exactly who we want to talk to. - Svetlana Gladkova

Friendfeed = open; facebook = closed; this would be an area i'd be happy to see facebook copy - Alex Gawley

Facebook is boring as hell. - Thomas Hawk

@Thomas, LOL... I always crack up when I see, in any FB thread your "Facebook is boring". - Juan Pablo González

Friendfeed lays it all out as a stream of posts and comments. It's like reading a newspaper. Just my style. - david

Facebook has lost its mojo really fast, I winder if the same will happen to FriendFeed - João Almeida from twhirl

@Joao lost its mojo with who? The twittersphere? Facebook was doing just fine before and after they jumped on and off the bandwagon. According to FB, UUs and engagement are up every month. - Jamie

Almeida: yeah, Facebook is growing as fast as ever and tons of "normal people" swear by it. Just because us early-adopter-inside-the-techie-bubble are over here playing on FriendFeed, don't assume that everyone else is. 110 million are on Facebook, maybe more by now. When I went to Israel all I heard was "Facebook, Facebook, Facebook." Same with my niece and lots of others here in Silicon Valley. Also, its event calendar brings tons more people than others. - Robert Scoble

Communities are communities. - Andrew Feinberg

Typical conversation with Real World Friends: "So I saw this post on Friend Feed..." "What's that?" "It's this website where it aggregates everything you do on various social networks" "Social Networks? Like..." "Flickr, Twitter, Yelp..." (Blank Stares) "Websites like Facebook are social.." "OHHH FACEBOOK.. That's the best site ever. *blah blah blah" - George Smith

Alex Gawley: Seems that Facebook no longer will be closed. "This week facebook will also launch their Facebook Connect product, which is designed to let users get that data back out of Facebook." http://www.techcrunch.com/2008... - Alex Sauceda

but do you think the average FB user is going to use the "comment on news feed" feature? a quick scan of some of my heavy-user FB friends last week showed no comments on any news feed items, and then a couple days ago i noticed someone's status message was "I hate all these comment tags on facebook now"... - Trent Olson

LOL @ Friendfeedization - Bwana ☠

I love FF but all my non geeks friends and family are on Facebook. Seems that it works better for them. - Alex Sauceda

Keep in mind, that 18 months ago you could not have had this conversation with anyone who was not 1) in the SV echo chamber or 2) in college. Web services start small and some inflect to a larger community and some don't. - Christopher Sacca

My friends on FB go to Flickr for conversation. None of them are on FF. I add FF contacts in FB to view their bios. - Russellreno

Louis - Agreed but I think the reason is more that they're trying to do an even better job with targeted ads (to keep the price in check) ... ala GMail. I find my Facebook list growing from my activity on Friendfeed. Hmm - Charlie Anzman

Was the FriendFeed mini-feed on Facebook axed: no summary, just a note showing something was added? It's doing that for Feedheads too. Is this happening with others folks? - Blake N. Cooper

Jim: Thanks! Does that mean that my friends would need to change this on their end to see more than 1 line? I have a lot of my friends who will stick to the default (i.e. will be overwhelmed by process for changing) and most likely will not see the content of my Google Reader Shared Items and FriendFeed activity. Sucks if that's the case. Thanks again. - Blake N. Cooper

Jim: This is great, thanks! - Blake N. Cooper

Jim: Is that option retaining the setting - I have it set to one line, short and full, but the new items still seem to default to one line. - Richard Peat

Funny how one year later we are actually seeing the Facebookization of Friendfeed... - Jean-Marc Liotier

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See What I Can Do - http://thomashawk.com/2009...

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For some reason I got a severly strong urge to fave the 5D Mk II photo ;-) - Håkan Bäckvall

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Whoa, the Olympus EP-1 has HD video (720p)! This is the compact camera with the DSLR-sized sensor. Panasonic, by contrast, came out earlier (G1), but with a bigger camera and held off on video until the second camera (GH-1). No 24p option, though. http://www.dpreview.com/preview...

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Pictures of the Day [Wall Street Journal - 5/29/09] - http://blogs.wsj.com/photojo...

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(1) Girls covered their faces to avoid being photographed in Kandahar, Afghanistan, Friday. U.S.-led coalition forces killed 35 militants and wounded 13 others during a clash in southern Afghanistan, where insurgents killed eight truck drivers ferrying supplies for foreign troops, officials said Friday. (Jorge Silva/Reuters) - Mitchell Tsai from Bookmarklet

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(2) Part of the La Democracia Bridge, built by the French in 1963, collapsed into the Ulua River Thursday after an earthquake in El Progreso, Honduras. The 7.1-magnitude quake toppled dozens of homes in Honduras and Belize early Thursday, killing at least six people and injuring 40. (Orlando Sierra/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images) - Mitchell Tsai

(3) A man dressed as a friar jumped from a 33-foot cliff Thursday near the “Jump of the Friar,” a Lima, Peru, tourist restaurant. (Pilar Olivares/Reuters) - Mitchell Tsai

Amazing, a simple gesture that says so much ... - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

Sometimes children are so wonderful... - Mitchell Tsai

Thomas Hawk

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Thomas Hawk

Flickr’s Big Fail On Creative Common’s Attribution Guidelines - http://daggle.com/flickr-...

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"Flickr’s a major place where people seek Creative Common images. It shouldn’t be guesswork to figure out where attribution guidelines are (in the description? in the comments?). Both photographers and publishers wanting to use their works need Flickr to help expand what are proper, standard guidelines for attribution. That brings me to the big uproar over the Obama White House photos that went up on Flickr with a licensing description that caused some people to think they weren’t in the public domain. They always were in the public domain — it was just that Flickr didn’t have the right type of licensing option to show this when they were uploaded. But having the wrong license didn’t somehow pull them out of the public domain. It just gave some people the wrong impression they weren’t public." - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet

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I've always thought Flickr needed a "public domain" license. They don't allow this today. - Thomas Hawk

Flickr could definitely do better when it comes to licensing. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

Why Flickr doesn't allow a public domain license: http://www.flickr.com/help... - Thomas Hawk

Good to know that the lack of public domain apparently isn't just perversity. - Brian Sullivan

personally I think Flickr should allow one. That it's irrevocable could easily be handled by warning screens. You have people like Scoble who would like to put his photos into the public domain and it seems stupid to me that Flickr won't allow that. I think especially with more and more museums, etc. potentially using Flickr that public domain makes sense. I suppose by not allowing public domain it ensures greater traffic at flickr though as all CC photos there require a link back to the original photo. - Thomas Hawk

I'm surprised they haven't yet adopted the option for CC Zero license http://creativecommons.org/license... - Andrew Smith

I guess the problem is if people mark as PD images they have no right to, the original owner then can come after Flickr ? - Brian Sullivan

I doubt it Brian. Flickr would be covered under the DMCA and could simply recognize the original copyright holder's claim and remove the offending content. I don't believe someone claiming rights that they don't own suspects Flickr to any liability whatsoever. Personally I think Flickr frequently takes positions that are more parental than they should or positions that ensure greater page views for Flickr. There's no legitimate reason why they should not have a public domain license. - Thomas Hawk

flickr needs to work on a lot of things regarding photographers' intellectual property rights - licensing is one of them and stripping IPTC / EXIF tags is another... - Anthony Citrano

Thomas -- what happens if someone downloads and uses a picture wrongly labeled as PD assuming it is public domain -- who would be liable? Is the final user responsible for determining the licensing of the picture anyway? - Brian Sullivan

Yes Brian, the final user is the one responsible for determining licensing. The same thing could happen today with a CC licensed image though. - Thomas Hawk

I thought CC licenses were irrevocable as well? If I put a photo up under CC and someone blogs it (or does whatever), I can't just unilaterally change the terms of the license after the fact. Can I? - Eric P

Eric you can change it, but my understanding is that once you've granted it that you are correct it is permanent. - Thomas Hawk

If the final user is responsible doesn't that mean the whatever licensing you apply is immaterial -- the end user must still check out the validity of the license you indicated. Public Domain, Creative Commons -- whatever is indicated on the picture is just a starting point -- you still must get signed releases to use the picture? - Brian Sullivan

Brian yes. But assuming you are the photographer and rights owner, the license you choose to set is a good start. A user, for instance, might conclude that Robert Scoble's photos from the San Diego Zoo were legitimately his and take the risk that they could always be fraudulent. But right now Robert is not allowed to license his photos on Flickr as public domain, even though he'd like... more... - Thomas Hawk

So in the final analysis for the end user (and probably the photographer) it makes very little practical legal difference which license you tag your pictures with ? - Brian Sullivan

well it does for the photographer I'd say and the end user in that probably 99.9% of the time the photos a user uploads are going to be legitimately theirs. It's probably the very rare exception of time where someone uploads photos that are not theirs. It's even more important to a photographer because if you register your photos as CC unrestricted for instance you probably are not... more... - Thomas Hawk

So it is not solely the license that is at issue for the end user -- the reputation of the purported owner then is very important? Otherwise the .1% would always force the same legal requirements regardless of the license. - Brian Sullivan

Is it just me or does Flickr's reason for non-support of PD images sound like a complete cop-out? - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Brian, yes, I'd say that the reputation of the purported owner (or their stock agency representative) is in fact very important. I think many image buyers though feel very comfortable with the risks associated with reputable agencies and photographers. Chris, Flickr's reason sounds like a cop out to me as well. I suspect the real reason may be that they'd like to require all images to... more... - Thomas Hawk

What if I write copyrighted (c) in the picture's EXIF and tag the same photo with a CC-license on Flickr? Which applies? - Rutger Blom

Rutger, I'd assume that if the case were ever taken to court that the lessor CC-license would be used irrespective of your EXIF data. - Thomas Hawk

Mona Nomura

A Guide to Choosing Colors for Your Brand « Usability Post - http://www.usabilitypost.com/2008...

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via Dave McClure and Dave Morin. - Mona Nomura from Bookmarklet

This was also suggested: "pantone guide to color" (a book) - Mona Nomura

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Jogger injured after using Twitter as he ran - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...

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"Office worker Mr Coleman, 23, was 'tweeting' to his followers on his Blackberry while jogging to work when he cracked his head on a heavy low-hanging branch. The force of the impact sent the dazed runner crashing to the pavement and left him with a badly bruised black eye." - M F from Bookmarklet

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Good Lord... - Helen Sventitsky

This certainly would not have rated even a small mention in the Telegraph had he not been using Twitter. - Gilbert Harding

I'd call that "getting what he deserved". - Kenton

He was checking if there were people "following" him. - AJ Batac

lol AJ :-) - Sarah Peterman from fftogo

haha Lol AJ - Roberto Bonini

dork - sofarsoShawn

dork +1 - Justin Hopkins from twhirl

What an asshat. - tinypants - Hagitha of FF

I'm not laughing, no really, HA! - Eric @ CS Techcast

What happened to his peripheral vision?! I can use my iPhone and still notice cracks in the sidewalk or low hanging branches! - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕

Email 'n Walk http://friendfeed.com/steveru... - maybe it has a jog mode. - Micah Wittman

Tomorrows Telegraph - jogger sues local council for not trimming low hanging tree branches to ensure twittering twats don't bang their heads... - Gary

Too bad he almost made the Darwin Award candidate list. - Adi

John W Lewis

Carrier Landing on a pitching deck Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch... Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Carrier Landing on a pitching deck
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gGMI8d3vLs
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0yj70QbBzg

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These show the USS Nimitz ... with a little more swell than "The Bloggers" saw! - John W Lewis

Yeah, I'm very happy we had flat seas. We only saw one bolter (where a plane doesn't hit the cables and has to fly around again). Here they had 15 bolters or wave offs so far in this video. This is also why the pilots put on full power when they hit where the cables should be, just in case they miss the cables and have to fly around again. At the beginning of this video they launch off... more... - Robert Scoble

Sounds like you had a great time! The logistics of this get quite complex. In Part 2 of this, as I understand it, not only do they launch more tankers but also, had the relatively inexperienced tanker pilot bolted again, they would have been using tankers to refuel tankers. (In the comments, experienced pilots have indicated that unnecessary risks were being run.) - John W Lewis

Thomas Hawk

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Thomas Hawk

My number one request for FriendFeed right now? Give me this same feature for *Flickr.* Would love to be able to find more of my Flickr contacts who are on FriendFeed. Even better, give me the same Yahoo mail / Gmail functionality to invite my flickr contacts to FF via the Flickrmail system.

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Yes please!! :-D - Kol Tregaskes

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Yes! - Chris Luckhardt

I know most of my friends are on FF, so it is a waste for me. I wish my friends would have been on. I feel left out again. :( - Faraz Mullick

YES! - Shey, Jamaican of FF

I know that many of my Flickr contacts are on here that I'm not even aware of. Monitoring their photos and faves via FriendFeed is vastly superior to Flickr's own "most recent contact photos" page. I wish I could add more of them. Photos are my favorite thing on FF. - Thomas Hawk

Agree, Thomas. #betakoltag-sg-extservices - Kol Tregaskes

I know that the vast majority of my Flickr contacts are *not* on FF -- but really *should* be on FF. If FF could use the Flickr API to allow me to invite all of them via flickrmail to my FF (like Yahoo mail and Gmail) this would be huge in making FF even that much better for me. I so wish more of them were on here. There are so many amazing Flickr photographers that could add so much to FF. - Thomas Hawk

Yes please, I am way more interested in seeing new images than seeing tweets show up in 2 places. - Bill Pennington from twhirl

Kinda shocked the CEO of Zooomr doesn't also suggest Zooomr - dbcohen

;-) - Kol Tregaskes

There are a lot of possibilities. I would love to be able to filter people based on their feeds, and groups for example. Like searching for people who have imported their flickr stream into friendfeed and who is also a member of the 'Tech Bloggers' group. Basically I would love to see them improve the way we discover people on friendfeed. Simply being able to search by netwwork would be amazing. Like tell friendfeed to list all my contacts who are also on delicious! - Kasper Sorensen

Zooomr would be great too. But Zooomr is a far smaller service. I have a list for all Zooomr content on FF and that is manageable just with a list right now. Flickr is not. Since Zooomr basically uses Flickr's API though I'd think that if it could be done for Flickr that there would be no reason why it couldn't also be done for Zooomr. Would love that too! - Thomas Hawk

it's still very easy to see all Zooomr content on FF here: http://friendfeed.com/search... All Flickr content is far less manageable here: http://friendfeed.com/search... - Thomas Hawk

and Flickr here: http://friendfeed.com/search... - meckimac

Good idea - Carl Cabading

Very valid point Thomas re:Zooomr. Thanks for clarifying - dbcohen

Dito! - ChiliMac

This is a Flickr search for 1 comment with 1 like. http://friendfeed.com/search... - Russellreno

Excellent idea. - Rick Cogley

Great idea. - Rob Brammeld

Great idea x2. :D - Daniel Schildt

great ideas thomas - (jeff)isageek

I'd just like the ability to create a Flickr account without needing a Yahoo account - it's incredibly frustrating if you create them regularly. Yahoo have a really cumbersome sign up process. - Martin Bryant

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