There are more players than people online? Oh wait. You're talking about the offline versions? I'm guessing there are plenty of the world's population that don't play games at all. Infants in Africa, for example.
- Cristo
Chris, you're not getting it. This _is_ the online version :)
- Paul Buchheit
No, I'm not getting it. But then I'm on the second glass of wine tonight. Is FriendFeed the online version? Did you guys get more subscribers recently? :)
- Cristo
Imagine a much more sophisticated version of farmville that takes up to 100 years to play...
- Paul Buchheit
*knocks on art students next door to get some weed* :)
- Cristo
No point, Cristo, *someone* has already smoked it all....
- WorldofHiglet
Well, it started as this simple little game, and it just kept growing, and now there's so much code that it would be impractical to start over in a better language.
- Paul Buchheit
Still the same simple game, the rules may have gotten a tad more complicated though.
- Todd Hoff
FriendFeed has 7 billion users? (Starts writing...)
- Jesse Stay
life is like calvin ball, you make your own rules =D
- Mike Chelen
Or maybe he's suggesting that Paul is God?
- Jesse Stay
A process without fixed rules is not a game, it's mediation.
- zeroinfluencer
So if an unstoppable force hits an immovable object, who will handle the exception? (throws UnstoppableImmovableInteractionException).
- Fırat Can Başarır
No fair not counting non-human players. Most of our social games don't need much intelligence to play, right? Kill for food (wealth), find mates.
- lawrence wang
I hear they're planning a new expansion named mars.
- Private Sanjeev
The resolution and level of detail is incredible, but the graphics design is often severely lacking. Only in a few places did they even attempt to make things look good. And, of course, those are all the bits you see in the trailers..
- Otto
Theory: because the Beatles are so averse to digitally distributing their music (even in subscription formats), they risk becoming a second-rate, almost unknown, act, simply because so many listeners will have never heard their stuff. Rather than protecting the value of their music, they're effectively killing it.
I'm not sure the Beatles music is 'in trouble' because of this aversion, but what a shame so many potential listeners will miss out!
- Kate Foy
I think he means in time. Eventually, physical media will be phased out and I suppose at that time the Beatles estates will have to just give in else future generations won't have easy, legal access to it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
My theory (and it may well be wrong) is that there are more and more people every year who have no access to their music; they will never buy an album (which is why artist rankings for "# of albums sold" are nearly meaningless these days). My son (age 18) has only purchased 2-3 CDs in his life; the rest of his music came via iTunes or Amazon MP3. Younger kids will not know what a CD is.
- Glen Mistletoe
I've thought that for awhile. I'm sure they'll make the catalog available before it becomes an issue.
- Rob Haas
That they are adverse to digital distribution just means that they are out of touch. I think it's their lack of radio play, coupled with an ageing fan base that may end up making them less relevant. Having said that, I don't think they are ever going to disappear completely, because each generation has a way of "discovering" really good music.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
^ True. I also say, "Hey cat! Don't spray there!" or "You better take that hairball someplace else, cat!" But hissing...that's a favorite. Too bad they ignore it.
- Admiral Anika
Well, I'm still pretty smitten with that cat. The expression on his face and the way his ears are pointing is just priceless! When I REALLY need to stop Simon from doing something I blast the compressed air can. That stops him (for a while, anyway). Billie just turns around and hisses right back at the can, LOL!
- vicster
Simon LOVES to eat grass (which reminds me, I need to plant a new pot of kitty grass this week). Makes nice purty barfs!
- vicster
The wonky ear is how I tell Jarrito and Burrito apart. Burrito is also smaller, but when they're apart it's hard to tell size.
- Admiral Anika
Anika - I was looking at a gardening catalog the other day and they had these plastic spikes that you set on the ground near your plants to keep cats away. They stay flat against the ground until the cat steps on them - then the spikes go up in the air. Supposedly it doesn't hurt the cat.
- Katy S
Yeah, those spikes don't work. I tried that when we first moved in. I've tried *everything*.
- Admiral Anika
My mother uses paprika in her yard to keep the cats out. You can also sprinkle black pepper, cinnamon or pipe tobacco around the garden area to discourage cats. I've also read that cats don't like orange rinds and coffee grounds. Not sure why though.
- CW™
Claymores might work. A little overkill, but when you need the job done.....
- Morgan Haley
Why is that almost nobody cares about they're online privacy? Why is that almost nobody uses tools like GnuPG with mail programs or even with online accounts like gmail? How do you boys and girls convince your friends that even if they don't have nothing to hide, they all must protect they're privacy?
After all, and as Bruce Schneier puts it, "Cardinal Richelieu understood the value of surveillance when he famously said, "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged."" - http://www.wired.com/politic...
- ovigia
It's not fear Rah, it's wanting to stand up for human rights.
- LogEx
Rah, since when protecting one of the most basic human rights is living in fear?
- ovigia
It's analogous for me to The Gift of Fear book which says trust and act on on those internal fear instincts, they are usually right. The problem is we've evolved to handle certain kinds of fears, unfortunately a database of all your activities that can be used to convict or coerce you at anytime is not one of them.
- Todd Hoff
It sounds like fear to me. Fear that what you post online will, at some point, be used against you. For instance, in the context of this post, using GnuPG is an extra step to hide my activity. This means I'm afraid that someone will see what I have said. To me, standing up for human rights is something like advocating for gay marriage or health care to all, not hiding my status updates on Facebook.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Honestly, I'm interested to know if I'm missing something here. Maybe some alternate viewpoint I've never thought about. I mean, I do post a lot of crap online :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
no plans to stock up on tin foil.... but along the same lines I am cautious about what I post.
- Mike Nencetti
I think Richelieu's quote is more illustrative of the fact that corrupt governments can execute you for no good reason at all. And I don't think any level of privacy can ever prevent that. And at least in my line of work, sometimes transparency can actually save you.
- Victor Ganata
rahsheen: it's not fear! if you have no privacy you no longer are a human being! we all need some kind of privacy, as Schneier wrote, "We do nothing wrong when we make love or go to the bathroom. We are not deliberately hiding anything when we seek out private places for reflection or conversation. We keep private journals, sing in the privacy of the shower, and write letters to secret lovers and then burn them. Privacy is a basic human need."
- ovigia
Look: I really prefer transparency to privacy. What bothers me the most is the assymetrical balance of our relationships with Public Institutions (Big Government) & Monopolies & Oligopolies (Big Business). But make no mistake about it, loss of privacy is inevitable in this time and age. What we should aim for is for a gradual removal of all veils by all agents as in a "nuclear...
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- Miguel Caetano
Miguel, you hit an important point, which is asymmetry, but it's naive to think that those in power will just step aside whether they are governments or corporations. Privacy IS a basic human right. You may choose limit the ways you exercise it, but it's authoritarian to tell others that they can't exercise it either. ...P.S. loss of privacy is only inevitable if we choose to let it happen.
- LogEx
Miguel, what you said is interesting, but it's kind of utopic, since we are more and more living in a dystopia created, implemented by a cleptocracy. LogEx, i agree!
- ovigia
@LogEx: Yeah, but the sad part is that most people don't notice how they give it away so easily. If they notice, they don't give too much importance to it because they think the advantages (social recognition by friends & peers) greatly outweigh the disadvantages (data mining, spam, state surveillance, etc.)
- Miguel Caetano
Well, it's always a risk-benefit analysis, isn't it? Does the convenience outweigh the possible disadvantages? Most people apparently say yes. Is it right to try to force them to use encryption or to not give away their information freely? I think the best you can do is at least make sure they're making an informed decision.
- Victor Ganata
@Miguel, convenience trumps a lot of things (would the cell phone industry exist if quality was really important?), but...
- LogEx
What I'm trying to say is that, when it comes to privacy issues, it may not be very beneficial for the cause to adopt an hard stance of pointing the finger to others who recklessly discard their personal data because there's always the danger of looking like an "weirdo" (no offense ;-)) through the eyes of others. A more pragmatic position would be to advice them to ask the service...
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- Miguel Caetano
...See my comment (#5 above) ...social networks are scientifically designed to make privacy difficult.
- LogEx
@Miguel, I see that point, and believe me, I value everyone's right to make their own decisions about privacy. If someone wants to live in a glass house, more power to 'em. What irks me greatly though is when companies (and governments) make decisions that force the hand of users by mis-, mal-, or non-information, or by outright structural barriers. It's rare to even have real notice...
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- LogEx
@LogEx: Yeah, I already knew that article by Michael Zimmer. But it's never to late to start a backlash AND constructive movement towards mutual transparency. Look at Creative Commons, for instance which, despite all the compromises, is becoming more omnipresent in content made and distributed online.
- Miguel Caetano
victor: i don't mean to limit how others exercise they're privacy, i'm only asking them to use gnupg when i send them an email or when they reply to me!
- ovigia
@Miguel, backlash needs to happen when deserved. But I'm all for constructive movement, though not for mutual transparency. I don't believe a fully transparent society is a good thing. I do think that organizations that hold power need to be a lot more transparent, but individuals must have continued rights to choose how to live their lives as long as it doesn't harm others. That's not negotiable.
- LogEx
Miguel: Beware mutual disclosure when there is already power asymmetry — "You can think of your existing power as the exponent in an equation that determines the value, to you, of more information. The more power you have, the more additional power you derive from the new data": http://www.schneier.com/blog...
- J M Cerqueira Esteves
DON'T FORGET THE STALKERS LURKING.HACKERS AND FREAKS JUST WAITING 4 U. I GOT PROOF AND HARD COPIES TO PROVE.YOU MUST PROTECT YOUR INFO.
- R_ C
Caring about privacy =! protecting it the way you would. I care about my privacy, and I am (very) well aware of what can/is made available using online services or just walking down the street. I also know that as well as you can obfuscate your presence, there will always be a way to track you down given the right amount of time and money.
- Jennifer Dittrich
The bottom line is, no matter how hard you try, you're simply not going to be able to keep your information completely private, so there's little point in trying. Unless you want to live in a shack with no phone and no electricity, receive all of your income in cash and under the table and pay for everything in cash, your information will be out there for the government and hackers to find.
- Curtiss Grymala
from iPhone
It's all about playing the odds, really. What are the odds that your unencrypted e-mail about some trivial matter is going to get tagged by the NSA leading to an investigation that railroads you into a life sentence at a federal prison? It may be possible, but you have to admit that the probability is pretty damn low. On the other hand, if you're regularly transmitting your credit card...
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- Victor Ganata
I don't agree with the idea that you can't do anything to try to protect your privacy either, though. If you're transmitting sensitive info that you don't want to get into unscrupulous hands, I think encryption is called for. If you don't want to be easily Googleable, don't participate in social media sites. It may be ultimately futile in the sense that if someone wants your info,...
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- Victor Ganata
@Curtiss, I don't think anyone is talking about being a Luddite or they wouldn't be here on Friendfeed ;). But there are a vast array of reasons why people want to have as much ownership and control of THEIR personal information on the web as possible, mirroring the norms we expect in the real world. @Victor, yes risk management is exactly what it is.
- LogEx
Yes, it doesn't make sense to post your personal contact information, credit card numbers, etc. in a public forum. However, even in the real world, nothing is truly secure or safe. Look at all of the major data breaches that have occurred (TJ Maxx anyone?). That's simply my point; I'm not going to do anything incredibly stupid like share my social security number or credit card...
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- Curtiss Grymala
@Miguel, yes, maybe we both have a problem, you being too optimistic and i being too pessimist ;) but i guess there are lots of reasons to the way i feel, just look at what's going on. USA, no care for the Constitution, massive surveillance, end of the Habeas Corpus and Posse Comitatus etc; EU, the Lisbon Treaty, and projects like Indect, Adabts, hadopi, DNA data bases, and of course do not forget the UK etc etc; and of course the global ACTA.... i really don't think there is much to be optimistic!!! :(
- ovigia
Was it a question about Windows 7? You should totally know stuff about it since it was your idea anyway...
- Lisa L. Seifert
Sadly, Lisa, no. A contractor asked me how to push his page up Google. I could have given a few quick answers, but I had a total brain fart, brought on from lack of caffeine.
- Steven Perez
from IM
You know who I hate? The asshats on Flickr who have a ton of views / comments on their photos and all their photos belong to like 30 groups, half of which are the "post 1 rate 3" variety.
Why? If you want exposure wouldn't you put your photos into as many groups as possible? And the "post 1 rate #" isn't really enforceable is it? At least not that I've seen.
- ronin
Honestly, I have no idea if it's enforceable, I've never put mine into one of those groups. I tend to just put mine into film groups or ones specific to whichever camera I'm using. So you don't think it's kind of shady? [I'm asking sincerely since I respect your opinion, ronin!]
- Adrian
I think some groups have some sort of sweeper program to remove photos if the submitter doesn't meet the requirements. (Or at least they say they do; I haven't tested a sweeper.) The "post 1 comment/fave/rate ##" groups tend to generate a bit more attention but not all that much. You still need to have a really good (or at least eye-catching) photo to get many comments.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I know what you mean! I even hate faveing or commenting on a photo that I think is awesomesauce because it already has 2 pages of comments and a gazillion faves.
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
that being said, if the photo is in a gazillion "actual" groups that the photo actually fits in, then I'm ok with it.
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Ok while we're on it... how about those obnoxious animated GIF's!
- Adrian
Nathalie, I know what you mean I know it takes a lot of dedication to sit there and add your stuff to ALLLLL THOSE GROUPS and yeah... the photos are generally GREAT if they generate so many views and comments, period. So I guess I can't really hate on them. Sigh...
- Adrian
I rarely comment on something if it already has loads of comments because I doubt mine will get read, but I still will fave.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Mm, it depends. If someone's just submitting their photos to any ol' group with no regard to whether or not their photo actually has anything to do with the group, then yeah, that's kinda shady. But I don't think I've seen that too often. And as John alluded to, even if you do submit a photo to a ton of groups, it still has to be a pretty decent shot to get any comments/favs for the...
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- ronin
I think cross posting to a zillion groups lowers the chances of it getting on Explore, though? I dunno, I might post to one or two groups that might like it, but usually not.
- Alix Whitmire
I'm relatively new to Flickr so I'm just getting my feet wet, but I really am amazed at just the sheer volume of greatness present there. I mean... DAAAAM! What's Explore?
- Adrian
I hate when people start to say something, and then they have to go out in the rain to get the mail, and then they what was I saying?
- Glen Mistletoe
As for me, I like interacting with the people who share my equipment and love of 35mm film photography, that's all. I'm not a "hitwhore" so to speak. Ooo.... I like that! #hitwhore
- Adrian
Yeah I know what you mean, there's a ton of really great photographers on there. I barely have enough time to check out my current contacts every now and then so I'm sure I'm missing out on a lot of good stuff.
- ronin
Yep, same here ronin. I try to treat it like FF though and use the "new from contacts" or "new from groups" features as a feed. Are there any cool tools or applications for Flickr? Incidentally, I love the mobile versioin of Flickr on my G1. My one annoyance is that you can't favorite things on there... which is kind of strange to me, but at least you can comment.
- Adrian
Even though I don't have a job or own a business, I occasionally feel the need to have a "business" card. There are times when I'm getting acquainted with someone and need to share my contact information and a business card is the fastest and least awkward way of sharing that information. What do you guys think?
Totally! I adore business cards. Sometimes I make up reasons to need and therefore make them. Such as we have business cards for our home haunted house. I think I've used 10 of them. But I LOVE them. And in a pinch they double as a person calling card!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Find a letterpress shop; they'll be able to make you great calling cards that cannot be equaled by regular offset printing.
- Clayton Wheeler
Further to what Clayton wrote, if you can find a print shop that still does real engraving, try getting engraved cards - raised ink lettering, using a classic typeface such as Copperplate Gothic
- Victor Panlilio
April, the goal here is to make Paul envious with the understated elegance of your card. :-)
- Kevin Fox
There is nothing wrong with having cards, in fact it's rather smart. Which is why I started printing "friendship cards" for my daughter when she was about 12. I like to include a photo on cards, because if someone can't remember who you are from the info on the card, the photo may jog their memory. Put your info on one side and a nice photo on the reverse. They are also good for giving to friends and family when you move, and they will not only have your new info, but a nice photo for their wallet, too.
- April Russo (app103)
I think cards are a great idea, too; i also think "American Psycho" was a very funny film.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I say go for it. A woman I play tennis with has Tennis Sub cards. You can find her any morning of the week at our club, subbing in games. I seriously think she saves a fortune in court time that way - pays her $300 annual dues, then not a dime more! (And I think the cards run her $10/a thousand . . .)
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
These days I have people Tweet/Facebook or Bump! / contxt (for non iPhone owners) me. moo cards are so 2008 ;)
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
What's old is new. Yes, as many have mentioned, the idea of a "calling card" harkens all the way back to slightly before ante-bellum South (at least in this country) During the 50's and slightly beyond the practice was part of a students' high school graduation purchases.
- Melanie Reed
It is funny that they thought of it so late. I'm pretty sure 25 years ago I had never seen a piece of luggage with wheels on it. Also, it's funny that the wikipedia entry for luggage seems a bit clueless about this issue.
- j1m
How did humans miss this one? I do think I remember the old hard cased Samsonite luggage that had wheels on the bottom and were pulled by a leash - but they tended to fall over. The major innovation may have been placing the wheels at the narrow side edge.
- Kurt Starnes
"Rescued eight years ago during a police drugs raid in Atlanta, Georgia, the three friends were only cubs at the time and barely two months old. They had been kept as status symbol pets by the drug barons. Delivered to the Noah's Ark animal rescue centre in Locust Grove, Georgia, the decision was made to keep the youngsters together. "We could have separated them, but since they came as a kind of family, the zoo decided to keep them together," said Diane Smith, assistant director of the Noah's Ark zoo. "To our knowledge, this is the only place where you'll find this combination of animals together, they are our BLT, (bear, lion and tiger)."
- April Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Note to Fellow Christians: Don't assume because someone says they're Christian that they represent represent "good" values. Many horrible deeds have been masterminded by self-professed Christians... deeds that line up better with the Satan camp than the Jesus camp. Just sayin'...
Just heard a radio quote from a Sarah Palin supporter. Her sum total rationale for supporting Palin? "Well, she's a Christian, so she has good values."
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Good point Mark. I've long struggled with this issue. It's likely at the root of why I don't want to call myself a Christian anymore and why I'm having difficulty finding the right church environment.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Mohandas Gandhi: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
- William Harryman
...and lets 4get the Catholic scandel (sexual abuse) in Ireland. Just being a Christian is not enough..one needs to practice and have true human values.
- Peter Dawson
All religions have had their share of extremists and hypocrites. We've got far too many people attaching certain evil actions to specific religions. True human values really have no religious boundaries or affiliations.
- Allan Besselink
Let us remember that it was the disciples (students) of Christ that were first called Christians. If you are not disciplining yourself to follow Christ, then the label is completely useless. With that - I think we need (as Christians) to start being able to say that someone is NOT a Christian if the values do not match up with Jesus'. A person can CALL themselves a vegetarian, but if I see them wolfing down a Harris Ranch Filet Mignon, I can say that they are NOT, in fact, a vegetarian.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Yep, the problem is when you see intolerant, rude, disrespectful, and/or immoral people being seen as being Christian. Going to church doesn't make you a good person, any more than drinking diet soda makes you healthy.
- Alex Scoble
And no, I'm not equating diet soda with church...just saying that actions make you a good person, not your ideals/beliefs.
- Alex Scoble
I really believe a lot of this discussion is directly pursuant to the "Sola Gracia" teachings that were a backlash against the Catholic church from the Reformation theologians. Martin Luther couldn't understand the book of James because it spoke about the idea that one cannot claim faith when actions do not back up that claim. "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has...
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- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Or sitting in a toilet make you a piece of shit
- Itachi
As someone once said, Alex, "The Church is not a museum for saints; it's a hospital for sinners."
- Glen Mistletoe
The problem I have with a lot of true Christians is that they do not distance themselves from the self-professed Christians who firmly belief that they are the only true Christians. It's a few bad apples to give the orchard a bad reputation.
- Rene Wirtz
Alex, that sounds like a good thought, and on the outside of things it would seems so, but the truth is: none of us are good. Jesus did not come to make bad people good, He came to make dead people live. And when a person has that "life" on the inside of him or her, from that source come good works to others. Jesus gave us an interesting criteria about who were Christians: He said "If...
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- Melanie Reed
Faith without knowledge is trouble just waiting to happen.
- Paul W. Homer
Nor should one assume that if one has good values that they're necessarily a Christian, right?
- Mr. Gunn
Sorry, Melanie, but you can believe all you want...that alone won't get you where you want to be. Belief without action is mental masturbation. Righteous action without belief is still righteous.
- Alex Scoble
An action is just an action. Righteousness is in the eye of the beholder.
- Akiva Moskovitz
/me smites Akiva for the common good.
- Alex Scoble
I consider "Christianity" to be the most hypocritical of all faiths. And yes, I was raised as one. I fail to see where it has made most of those who profess to belong to it better people.
- LANjackal
Christianity is what saved me from being a hypocrite.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Whoops I can see where this one is going. Hiding this topic. See y'all
- LANjackal
I'd agree that Christianity probably hasn't made most of its followers better people. BUT the handful of guys I've met who truly, deeply came to understand Christ's teachings and rebuild their lives around them (in prison) are some of the most remarkable people I ever hope to meet. I'm still an atheist, but damn. "True" Christians, if that's what they're called, are really amazing people. (however I haven't met many!)
- Lo
I agree, Lo...true Christians are amazing, because they practice what they preach. Unfortunately, there are a lot more that preach opposite to what they practice.
- Alex Scoble
Fruit. You gotta look for the fruit. If there ain't any fruit, then you gotta wonder.
- Mellissa Claus
All but the most insanely fundamentalist of Christians today would not recognize (and would likely be appalled by) the Christianity of 400, or even 200 years ago. The more influenced a flavor of Christianity has been by Enlightenment values, the more benign it is.
- Christopher A Carr
Unfortunately the sign in front of a church in Cedar Rapids is gone now, but it said "God wants spiritual fruit, not religious nuts."
- Rene Wirtz
Mark, yes I agree with your original statement. And conversely, many kind and self-sacrificing acts by real Christians go unnoticed by those around them. This is not an age hallmarked by appreciation for the quiet and discreet. God Himself works everyday to provide good things for us and how often do we notice or praise Him for it? Yet he does. And I know I could not make it without...
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- Melanie Reed
A guy claiming to be Christian may even be one of those Gnostic bastards, reading the wrong Gospels, am i right? :)
- Eivind
And NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!!
- Morgan Haley
Melanie: "God Himself works everyday to provide good things for us..." How do you know? That's just an empty assertion.
- Christopher A Carr
:) Not empty, Christopher. I have made an assertion and it is based on firm evidence that I see everyday. And it is based on knowledge from those whom I trust who have also seen that evidence before me.
- Melanie Reed
I think you may be confused as to what constitutes reliable "evidence."
- Christopher A Carr
I may be confused as to what constitutes the inverse of an Augmented Matrix, but I am not confused in the least about the reliable evidence of a loving God. :)
- Melanie Reed
What about autistic? What about Asberger's? What about ugly? What about stinky?
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Christopher, Your second two points are closer to the truth, yes: He does have a plan for them.
- Melanie Reed
Brainless babies can't do anything but respirate for a short time, then die. What could possibly be the point?
- Christopher A Carr
The point is that you and I can't resurrect and heal them but God can.
- Melanie Reed
Christopher, this life isn't"the point" at all. Those unfortunate souls will be taken care of where there is no sickness and pain.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Why cause a brainless baby to be birthed in the first place?
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, the universe is not a playground, is it where we do what we want and someone makes it better and we go on doing whatever we want?. Would that be controlled or would it be tyranny?
- Melanie Reed
An all-knowing deity knows everything, right? Including the fact that this "disobedience" would happen. So "he" is ultimately responsible for every single infant that is ever born without a brain above its face.
- Christopher A Carr
Anger is understandable. But God is not to blame. That is our responsibility. And responsibility has hard consequences that tear at the heart. It hurts God. That is why He has made a way out for us. And that way is open to you and anyone else who wants to accept it.
- Melanie Reed
You just avoided the issue by regurgitating religious platitudes.
- Christopher A Carr
Let's say you're an all-powerful, all-knowing deity, and you decide to create a universe. If you're genuinely omniscient, you'll know everything that will ever transpire in this universe -- including who you'll be "required" to torture forever, and who you won't. Any such being is ultimately responsible for everything that occurs in its universe.
- Christopher A Carr
Does your deity know if I'm going to be tortured forever? If not, he's not omniscient.
- Christopher A Carr
What is torturing you, Christopher and do you want to DM me?
- Melanie Reed
Your god sends people to be tortured forever in hell, yes?
- Christopher A Carr
No, Christopher, we decide by our choices in regard to heaven or hell. But I think you may mean hell in another sense?
- Melanie Reed
No, I mean hell in the Christian sense. Does your deity know ahead of time if I'll be going to hell or not?
- Christopher A Carr
In other words, when Yahweh created my soul, did he know what would happen to it?
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, God has the ability to exercise foreknowledge but not the way you and I tend to think of it. His thinking is higher than ours and it allows for choice always as long as there is life! You have a choice.
- Melanie Reed
Did he know if my soul would end up in hell when he created it? Yes, or no?
- Christopher A Carr
I can not answer something that would put me in the position of judgment on you or anyone. That is not mine to decide. What God is saying is that your future is not cut off unless you make that choice. And God is giving you and me and everyone else the same opportunity to make that choice.
- Melanie Reed
I'm not asking you to judge anything. Is it your understanding that your deity knows everything?
- Christopher A Carr
God knows the beginning and the end of a matter.
- Melanie Reed
He didn't immediately know where Adam and Eve was, when they hid in the Garden from what I've read.
- Eivind
Then I am forced to conclude that Yahweh (were he to exist, a fact for which there is thankfully ZERO evidence) created the vast majority of souls for the purpose of having something to torture for an eternity.
- Christopher A Carr
No Christopher, he created humans out of love. He took the risk to allow everyone to make their own choice, knowing some would not make a wise choice and cause pain to themselves and to others would result.
- Melanie Reed
Ah, I see. He was just pretending he didn't know, like you do with small children.
- Eivind
Elvind, no, he wanted to give them the chance to own up and be honest.
- Melanie Reed
But Melanie, he knew when he made them who would and who would not make certain choices (so there's not really a choice). Why make a soul that's destined to be tortured forever?
- Christopher A Carr
How do you know these things, Melanie? They're not explained in the Bible.
- Eivind
Christopher, knowing what someone will do and causing them to do it are two different things. This is why God warns Cain in the beginning: "That thou mayest not sin" Choice. Always. Choice. There is always hope, Christopher, and the fact that you are asking gives me hope!
- Melanie Reed
I always wonder about the fate of otherwise good people who believe other things, or are never even exposed to the One system (whichever one that may be) that could save them.
- LogEx
Melanie, but if you know that someone will do a thing that leads them to eternal torture, why create them in the first place?
- Christopher A Carr
LogEx, God gives all of us an opportunity no matter where we are to make a choice,
- Melanie Reed
Well, LogEx, I have an answer for you that comes right out of the book that claims to be the Authority. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage... says that all people will be judged fairly and based on their own deeds.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Melanie, not in my copy. God asks Adam where he is. He answers, rats out Eve, and then God makes them clothes (and takes away the snake's limbs?). The next chapter is about Cain and Abel.
- Eivind
Christopher, maybe I wasn't very clear: the concept of choice means that you and I and everyone else have the ability to be influenced for good or for bad.
- Melanie Reed
I think Christopher is assuming God precludes free will.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Elvind, yes, God asks, not to find out what He already knows, but to give Adam and Eve a chance to confess what they have done which is what you would do for someone you loved and respected.
- Melanie Reed
Yahweh: I'm going to make souls x, y, and z -- souls x and y will need to be tortured forever; I know this because I know how they will behave, because I know everything. But I'm going to create them anyway. In fact, the vast, vast majority of all the souls I create will "chose" to be burned in hell forever, but I'm OK with that, and will create them anyway. ...nice deity you got there.
- Christopher A Carr
Melanie, that's just projecting onto God what you would have done. It doesn't say anywhere that's why he did it?
- Eivind
Elvind, I don't think I would have handled it so well as God. ;) His response is in keeping with His character and nature. And the rest of scripture provides testimony .
- Melanie Reed
I guess that depends. Is there an absolute value for "right?" I'm going to say there is. I believe that Charles Manson was wrong for what he did. There's no gray area there. Now that I've established that there is an absolute value for "right," then it behooves me to investigate why.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Eivind, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to miss-spell your name.
- Melanie Reed
Hehe, almost every English speaker who sees it in writing makes that mistake :)
- Eivind
Lewis (C.S.) decided that he felt that "right" and "wrong" were hard-wired and not up to the whims of the individual. In doing that, he felt he had to investigate the ... Author, if you will of those immutable laws (along with gravity, et al). He then looked at the myriad of religious texts that claimed to be "the way" and finally settled on the bible. Christianity was just the end of his search for the reason for "right."
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Nothing supernatural in the way of an "Author" is required to account for our preferences for some social behaviors over others. Foundationaly, we are a species of highly social primate. On top of that, moral and ethical mores evolve (in a memetic, cultural evolutionary sense) over time. ...Our species has been on this planet for 200,000 or so years. It seems rather odd to me that Yahweh only took an interest many thousands of years after the relatively recent emergence of agriculture.
- Christopher A Carr
Melanie has DMed me. Evidently she is "troubled" for me, and wants to know if I need her help. Arrogant? Sanctimonious? I don't even know what to call that. Amazing.
- Christopher A Carr
I assume practical tasks are out of the question?
- Eivind
Practical tasks? My house's gutters need replacing.
- Christopher A Carr
I'm afraid she would only offer to pray that they be miraculously fixed.
- Christopher A Carr
Why does that make you afraid? You're certainly brave enough to call out someone's private messages in a public forum; surely having someone pray for you wouldn't be that bad.
- Glen Mistletoe
Pretty sure Christopher didn't mean that kind of "afraid."
- Chieze Okoye
Wow! Apparently this thread had legs while I was out! I haven't read most of the comments, but I should perhaps interject something here that I should've been stated up front... my initial statement, though directed at Christians, can surely be applied to ANY religion, and indeed, to any belief system. (This would included, for example, political beliefs. Hint hint.) Jerks and...
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- Mark "DerBingle" J
Said another way... when any individual or group starts telling you that God is on their side (instead of the other way around) it would be wise to gather your loved ones and any belongings you can carry, a find refuge as you prepare to see the worst that man is capable of.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Personally I direct All Prayer to "Oh Lord" which I find to include All passing Gods & deities excluding none. Besides that moment of suspension of disbelief this has sufficed for many years to satisfy. Now that I am older & have experienced the world this seems to be overdoing it on my part. All physic seems to stem from Man?? Where is God in the Sense plane? Mind Readers & Physics...
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- ThatDBD
Christopher, I was wondering why you had not considered the possibility that the mother had been exposed to fetogenic or mutagenic substances? That being the case, that again, wasn't God, but our choices to use substances or expose others to substances that are harmful to 1st and 2nd generation.
- Melanie Reed
OMG I am so excited I feel like a kid! Just got an email from my office saying that we are CLOSED due to the excessive snowfall! Here is my backyard, wahoo!
lol @ Eivind, then we'd all be trying to move there :)
- Lo
Unfortunately it turns out my sons daycare was closed so I had to go pick him up from his moms work and my girlfriend is stuck so I am heading out to rescue her! What I expected to be a nice relaxing chill day is turning into a bit of an adventure :P
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Luckily he doesn't use claws. He just rolls around and smushes his face into my hair and my shoulder and is a little crazy. There is a video from my last video. I will find it.
- Rachel Lea Fox
What I don't understand is why no one is talking about StumbleUpon. Nowhere do they tell their users that they are slipping in ads, but one out five pages smell an awful lot like payola. No where on the page does it say that company X is sponsoring that hit, they just try and pretend like it social content that's been recommended by people with similar interests. This seems a lot more deceptive to me than most conflicts of interest
- Davis Freeberg
Cool. Would be awesome if we could dynamically add them to a post based on tags :)
- Roberto Bonini
BTW - The best ones are behind the link. :)
- Louis Gray
I've gotten a free book before but I want to level up to "some sweet gadgets"!
- Rochelle
Awesome. But where is "writer is friends on FriendFeed"?
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, I assume we could have made 20 of these. But Jeannine is too good to be free! She got Mad Scrilla for this work. :) I would have added advisory roles and social networking buds, real life buds, friends of a friend, blah blah blah.
- Louis Gray
Davis - there's an icon for sponsored links on the FF and IE toolbars that looks like a dollar sign (at least the last time I used it). Disclosure: I worked on the IE toolbar and put that feature in (to reach feature parity with the Firefox toolbar).
- Matt Mastracci
Louis, these are fabulous. Although, Full Disclosure: The FTC has no jurisdiction where I live :)
- Micah Wittman
I'll have to do some tests to see if this is any faster than my local ISP DNS.
- Benjamin Golub
hmmm... and the reason behind this offer?
- MikeAmundsen
They will then know every single domain name that every user is trying to resolve, and how often, etc.
- Glen Mistletoe
DeWitt that doesn't mean they aren't copied elsewhere or they will actually follow through with the policy.
- Todd Hoff
anyone know what appears when the domain request is invalid? i.e. will i see a google search page w/ ads?
- MikeAmundsen
Yay! This is super cool. I'm using it to work around my ISP (Comcast) hijacking DNS requests.
- Joe Beda ()
Another cool thing are the vanity IP addresses that were obtained for this: 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. '8' is a lucky number, you know.
- Joe Beda ()
@Todd: Actually, the privacy policy is pretty clear about what's temporary and what's permanent. If temporary logs were "copied elsewhere" as you suggest, it would be a pretty obvious violation of this policy. And I think it's pretty unreasonable to suggest that Google wouldn't "actually follow through" on its own privacy policy.
- Joel Webber
Joe, do you know who had 8.8.8.8 prior?
- Micah Wittman
Fast, doesn't seem to hijack 404s in any way. But I will have to go over the privacy policy carefully, in the context of Google's broader privacy policy. I wish we knew if the NSA had direct access to Google's traffic like they do for ISPs. This will certainly give Google a lot of data about web use.
- LogEx
Joel, it's just a policy. If the NSA or some other agency says Google won't get this slice of spectrum etc then don't be surprised of all that traffic is split off some switch somewhere into total information awareness.
- Todd Hoff
@Todd - half the company would quit in protest on the spot if Google even contemplated doing something like that. Including our own founders. But here's a question -- what could a company do that would reduce your fear? Clearly you use the Internet, and DNS, today. What assurances did your ISP make that cause you to trust them? Personally speaking, I find the Google DNS privacy policy a heck of a lot more reassuring than my ISP's. At least Google is promising in writing to do the right thing.
- DeWitt Clinton
People don't know DeWitt. All those fat internet pipes hook into switches that have tap lines on them. And are there any examples of people quitting en masse in protest? I've not seen it. There's nothing people can do to reduce my fear because I know too much about it. Those promises don't matter. They can change at anytime and there's no external verification and as I said, the data is...
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- Todd Hoff
I wonder how much this gets traction beyond things like Chrome OS where Google can require the client to use their name servers. DNS is an abstract concept to most people, and for businesses, Google Public DNS doesn't offer the level of control other managed DNS services offer (like OpenDNS, for example). As an IT guy, one thing that I see missing is the ability to manually refresh the cache. I'm also interested to see how Google respects TTLs.
- Mark Trapp
BTW, here's the Speakeasy Privacy Policy: http://www.speakeasy.net/tos.... Here is Comcast's: http://www.comcast.net/privacy.... Here is AT&T/SBC's: http://www.att.com/gen.... Guess what? None of them publish a log deletion policy and ALL of them reserve the right to do nearly whatever they want (even sell) your personally identifiable information, including IP addresses. Those ISPs are seeing every bit of traffic from our machines today.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, I went through that, and I'm still left wondering what Google's caching does. It doesn't explicitly say that Google will always respect the TTL on a record, and I don't see a remedy to resolve an outdated cache (for example, if Google fetches a record with a TTL of 86400 10 minutes before I change that record, if there's no way to force a manual lookup, even changing the TTL to...
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- Mark Trapp
@Mark -- I can't see how to force a manual refresh either, but I'll find out. I agree that it's necessary in some situations.
- DeWitt Clinton
Mark, that page DeWitt linked to seems to infer that they respect TTL for prefetches: "The complexity of the name selection problem makes it impossible to solve online, so we have separated the prefetch system into two components: a pipeline component, which runs as an external, offline, periodic process that selects the names to commit to the prefetch system; and a runtime component, that regularly resolves the selected names according to their TTL windows."
- Matt Mastracci
@micah Level3 owns 8.0.0.0/8 and Google has 8.8.8.0/24. BTW, 7.7.7.7 is owned by the US Dept. of Defense.
- Joe Beda ()
Matt, what concerns me about that is it seems they interpret the TTL as a range of times they're allowed to ask for a new record; that is, if they automatically refresh records faster than the TTL, that's okay, as long as they don't hold onto it for longer than the TTL. A TTL shouldn't be a guideline: if I set a TTL to 86400, unless I manually tell you to fetch it again, you shouldn't...
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- Mark Trapp
Cool, added them to my list of servers that dnsmasq is to use.
- Grant Bierman
The RFC does specify TTLs as "a 32 bit unsigned integer that specifies the time interval ... that the resource record *may be* cached before it should be discarded" I don't know if there's ever going to be a rock-solid guarantee that a resolver will cache your records (its cache could always overflow or become corrupted). Jumping TTLs isn't half as annoying as the broken resolvers that cache one of your round-robin DNS responses for all their customers for days, though. ;)
- Matt Mastracci
Oh yes, checking too quickly is definitely a better problem than checking too slowly. One of the things we used to deal with was managed DNS that charged by the record lookup; in cases like that, you absolutely want people to respect the TTLs you specify or it can wind up costing you dearly. I don't really know if companies still get away with that (we get managed DNS for free now), but...
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- Mark Trapp
I'm not happy with this. I feel it is a step too far. They could know and control way too much... from the OS Chrome to DNS/ mweh! And then what about a system fail! Laugh! I'm sure Murphy is working on it. How much of the network could go down with it. #don't-put-all-your-eggs-in-one-basket
- DC Crowley