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For the evening crowd... Mobius Arch with Star Trails http://www.jmg-galleries.com/blog...
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Interview with me on Caliber - Through Their Lens: Ivan Makarov - http://calibersf.com/2009...
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Ivan (pronounced ee-VAHN) Makarov is a Bay Area photographer that I have admired and loosely worked with over the past year. He strikes a balance of discipline, curiosity, and variety in his work; possibly a function of his continual pursuit of decency. Although stoic in facade, I think Ivan is constantly inserting emotion into his photography. I wanted to probe a bit on a few fronts of his style and inspiration. Read on…
- Ivan Makarov
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nice Ivan. Congrats!
- Thomas Hawk
Absolute congrats, Ivan. This is one of my favorites and gives me the "willies" every time I look at it. Your subject is certifiably nuts!
- Roger Loewen
RT @GrahamNY: Laphroaig hurts my tongue. Then brings it chocolates and flowers and asks it to dinner.
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Racetrack Sunrise, Death Valley National Park http://www.jmg-galleries.com/blog...
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@gdanmitchell Great comment to Guy's write up Dan. I really enjoyed it.
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Thanks, Jim. This is a topic I've thought a lot about - there is a line that when crossed makes me uncomfortable. But "realism" isn't what defines the line. I lean towards calling it "honesty" or perhaps "believability."
- G Dan Mitchell
@JesssicaDennis I always pack the tripod, even if I think I won't use it. Better be safe than sorry.
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thanks for the advice, I think I will
- Jess Dennis
I take my tripod almost everywhere in my car, but since I started buying fast lenses and cameras with better high ISO performance I've been using it less and less.
- Ryan Dearth
Fwd: An Open Letter to Elisa Steele EVP & Chief Marketing Officer, Yahoo Inc. on the New “The Internet is You,” Yahoo Marketing Campaign - http://thomashawk.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/thomash...)
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Ok, I wrote up a blog post linked above summarizing my feelings about yesterday's destruction of DMU.
- Thomas Hawk
Good blog post.
- Rene Wirtz
thanks Rene. I really hope Yahoo does address this.
- Thomas Hawk
I hope Yahoo does too, because you clearly pointed out the "do as I say, not as I do" hypocricy between what they advertize and do. And you've shown them a potential threat with the FriendFeed DMU group.
- Rene Wirtz
Thank you Thomas!!!!!
- Lars Clausen
Very well written TH. One of your best pieces ever.
- Ivan Makarov
I agree with Ivan. I can't believe her actions are left unchecked. I hate "Her" freedom.
- Manny Flores
Very well written. But don't hold your breath on Yahoo addressing any of this. What I learned when this happened to me on another site is that they just wait for it to blow over and go away. They don't care if they lose a few avid users because they're adding thousands of new ones every day. You're fighting the good fight, though.
- alibubba
TH ... just to be clear I'm not claiming a DMU other than what you founded. They promoted me to admin last night after you stepped down. Hope you are OK if we continue to use The Lightbox, but we can start over if you prefer.
- Shims
Shims I think it's fine to use the lightbox. I'm just personally not going to invest any time in a forum on Flickr going forward when Yahoo policy is that they can nuke it without warning at any time. I put too much emotional energy into that community to see it destroyed again like that in the future. The community here at FriendFeed is far better suited. Its management are largely respected by it's users because its management largely respects its users.
- Thomas Hawk
so now there are two voting pools and one lightbox. Why the second dmu will the new dmu be opened for conversation?
- Wendy Martyn
wendy, i personally won't participate in a group with the admins/mods you have right now. you had 4 admins for a 3000+ members, why did you need 6-7 admins/mods for a 200+ group?
- Mo Tabesh
Wendy I don't want to be associated with a group that hosts a forum on Flickr anymore. The second DMU will not be open for conversation. That will happen here (at least for now).
- Thomas Hawk
ok
- Wendy Martyn
i am admin for the other group for now because TH asked me to, and if that's too much for some i won't hesitate to step down as i did in your new group. i have nothing but interest of the DMU community and it is unfortunate that Therrr, the least active member and the most ignorant one is an admin. sorry, just doesn't work.
- Mo Tabesh
I find it amazing that people would consider hosting a forum on Flickr at all anymore after the way flickr abused the trust of it's members by nuking DMU. If I wouldn't participate in a forum by our former admins who nuked it, why participate in a forum with a group that Flickr will only likely end up nuking again?
- Thomas Hawk
I'm done with Flickr forums as well. No need to waste my time there when it can all just dissappear quietly while I'm at work as it did yesterday.
- Ivan Makarov
Friendfeed works fine for now for conversation. It's even got some nice features like blocking that Flickr does not. Flickr's forums are no longer needed as far as I am concerned. They abused the trust of their users and I will not give them a second chance to do it again unless there are serious commitments made by Yahoo to prevent it from happening again.
- Thomas Hawk
I did submit a photo to silent pool, so go ahead and go save it now.
- Ivan Makarov
TH - how did you forward a link like that?
- Ivan Makarov
actually Ivan I have my blog linked up to my friendfeed account. You should do this too. It automatically then gets imported on FriendFeed in the main feed, from there you can pick share and repost to DMU. You can also post anything on find on any page on the internet to DMU only by use the FF share bookmarklet here: http://friendfeed.com/about...
- Thomas Hawk
I see. I do have my blog link, so it shows up in my feed. I need to find a way to share it with DMU, and learn how to use a bookmarklet. I'm really starting to like FF. Maybe we'll just find our new home here.
- Ivan Makarov
The blog post clearly summarizes your understandable frustration about DMU being nuked and the less than needless tweet from Heather. However, it is IMO also written in an aggressive style and I therefore wonder whether it will create the reaction you're hoping for - if any. Just my 2c.
- Stefan Baeurle
I don't know Stefan, I hope it is read and taken to heart.
- Thomas Hawk
I hope so too, Thomas. It's important to raise an issue - even if no consequences will follow. I would have chosen a somewhat softer style. My experience has taught me that I usually do better with it. But then that's me. I also cannot neglect the fact that you have a much longer history with DMU and put orders of magnitude more work and time into to. Only time will tell what the outcome will be.
- Stefan Baeurle
Thomas, I really really really don't think this tweet ever had anything to do with DMU. And I thought that before I talked to Heather.
- Pierre Honeyman
what does it have to do with then Pierre? And why was it timestamped within minutes of the destruction of the group? Even had it not, it's terribly poor judgment to choose to post that sort of a cryptic message at almost the very moment she nukes a very popular group publicly associated with freedom of speech.
- Thomas Hawk
FWIW I already said I don't really see the connection.. not really.
- Jakey
Thomas, you'd have to ask her. But the timestamp connection is almost certainly a coincidence. I think I can confidently guarantee that that tweet has zero connection with DMU
- Pierre Honeyman
what makes you think it's a coincidence Pierre?
- Thomas Hawk
Having worked fora nother photo sharing site, and being very aware of Yahoo-Flickr's policies, the idea that they are open has been a joke for a while. I'm not saying you should have known better, I'm just kind of ... glad that Thomas is showing the contrast between the marketing message and actual policies.
- anna sauce
Heather is free to drop by the thread and clarify though if the post was not meant to be about DMU. The thread is open to all. She has a friendfeed account. I wouldn't be able to see her post as she's blocking me here, but other people could.
- Thomas Hawk
Yeah, Heather is relly Free to add to the thread. This is a powerfull post, well written. right up the ClueTrain Manifesto paradigm. Thomas, if Heather is blocking you then thats so silly of her. After all she has much to learn about conversations and communtity. Participation is the key, blocking a person whose views differ from ones own, just makes one an idiot. No Seriously.. !!
- Peter Dawson
I agree Peter. She's blocked me on and off on Flickr itself for much of the last few years. It doesn't really change anything because I can see any of her posts if I want by simply logging out of my account. To me it simply feels more personal. But blocking your most active users and advocates for your service is not something that a Community Manager ought to do I do agree on that....
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- Thomas Hawk
When I love a service I am it's biggest advocate. I've been a big advocate for Flickr over the years. When I love the management of a service (like Friendfeed) I'm also a huge advocate for it's management. Say what you will about friendfeed but they have always been open to critical content, even when it's about their management. That's something that I have a tremendous amount of respect for. Flickr by contrast tries to bury critical content. That's something that I cannot respect.
- Thomas Hawk
I think in part FriendFeed's openness as it relates to critical content comes from their background at Google, a company that I've always found far more open than Yahoo. At least in my own personal experience. I think part of it is also just character and a maturity to realize that if you make a great product it doesn't matter if people criticize it. This is something that Flickr and Yahoo have yet to learn.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, you and me need to talk. Phone would be good.
- Pierre Honeyman
Pierre -whats this about phone ?? if there is anything to be said wrt to to this thread, then it would be good to share it here !
- Peter Dawson
The idea of hosted free discussion- which is largely a utopian dream, not a reality- is so alive in silicon valley. Yahoo pays for hosting the discussion thread, so in a way they're within rights to kill it- but as you point out it's a disservice to the membership and sends completely the wrong message. FF on the other hand, lives for the discussion so censorship is the last thing it...
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- anna sauce
Thomas, FF openness is in the controls of the users and not some bot or admin. That user controls what they get rid off and from whom. Liekwise every other member has the same obligation of cleaning and control they own blocks etc. I think that YHOO problem is too centeralized and 'fearmonger' attitude is always there. Big players face big risks, (E,g China issue!). But in the end, its...
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- Peter Dawson
well said, Peter, well said. Friendfeed's approach is far superior and far less expensive than flickr maintaining a staff of censors. I suppose that's why the group's hosted here now instead of their. At least their censors can't get their hands on it here.
- Thomas Hawk
Death Valley workshop space is still available. http://www.jmg-galleries.com/blog... Don't miss out. RT as you can. Thanks
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Thoughts about the upcoming fall colors in California's Eastern Sierra Nevada. http://www.sierravisionsstock.com/sierrav...
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Patty iPod Touch was right where I left it ... on my tray. :-).
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Whew! Double whew! TRIPLE WHEW!!! :-)
- G Dan Mitchell
There's a lot to be said for mutual respect. It's unfortunate when that's not returned.
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DMU Hangs Out on Mare Island - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Well I had a great time hanging out last night on Mare Island for the first time. Mare Island is a decommissioned naval base in Vallejo. I’ve been wanting to shoot Mare Island for a while and Ivan Makarov helped organize an official DMU outing out there. Always being prepared, Ivan even briefed security ahead of time that we would be there and the entire great outing was completely hassle free of security. We met at 7pm near the middle of the island and spent most of the evening night shooting more of the grungy industrial stuff down off of Nimitz Street. Mare Island is huge and I feel like last night I barely scratched the surface there and I’m sure both DMU and myself will be back many times in the future.
- Thomas Hawk
I've got a few images from this shoot, too. I'm hopeful I'll be able to get one or two online later tonight. Good meeting you all...
- G Dan Mitchell
Woman pwned at Townhall Meeting after comparing Obama to Hitler. Worth watching. Hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Stop All Monsters: What To Be Mad About - http://stopallmonsters.blogspot.com/2009...
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It doesn't get more simple than that, does it?!
- Rene Wirtz
Yeah, I would like to get this blown up to poster-size, please.
- Steven Perez
how much is a picture worth again?
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Ouch.
- Dario Gomez
Yep.
- Summer
OR dissent is just for Lefties - jeez, such thin skins, non-stop Bush bashing for eight years was all justified right? AND with mainstream media leading the charge
- Don Bonaddio
Wow. Same old boring tripe I've heard since Newt still held office. Try harder, Dan.
- Steven Perez
non-stop Bush bashing for eight years WAS all justified, actually. next?
- Joe Silence is not dead
ok class, your assignment is to actually read the plan and then decide
- Don Bonaddio
We did. Don, did you?
- Rene Wirtz
Don, we may have criticized Bush - and speaking for myself here, I criticized Clinton before him and Obama since. They're elected officials, and our job as citizens is to remain critical, whether we agree with them or not. However, one thing I can certainly say for while Dubya was in office - the trailer parks didn't empty out, form militias, and go to town meetings frothing at the...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
So wait - some people DON'T want free healthcare? Why? We have it here, the system isn't perfect, but it means a hell of a lot of people can get treatment they'd otherwise never be able to get.
- Mellissa Claus
Denise, I don't support the "fringe" on EITHER side. The convo here though characterizes all opposition as crazed "mobs" Convenient and the easy way as opposed to intelligent discussion.
- Don Bonaddio
Melismatic - "free healthcare", really? that's amazing
- Don Bonaddio
I find it so appealing to watch when supporters of *this* government *criticize*: http://www.youtube.com/watch... (please, continue).
- meren
Thanks for proving the point of the graphic, Don.
- Steven Perez
Don, okay - you've opened a starting point for discussion with me - thank you. Intelligent *discussion* - let's go. What have you brought to the table for discussion to improve the current state of the healthcare system...?
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
*crickets*
- Steven Perez
guess he had to go "clean his gun".
- Joe Silence is not dead
Uh-oh, Dead - can I "taste the innuendo"? LOL...
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
sorry, this is what happens when i try to sink to someone else's level. :P
- Joe Silence is not dead
Oh don't apologize - a dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste, after all! ;)
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Constitution states that the federal government provides for the national defense, thus justifying the spending on the items opposed by the folks on the left side of the picture. It specifically prohibits the spending of federal dollars on anything not spelled out in the document as enumerated powers. I don't see "pay for health care" as one of those enumerated powers. Thus supporting the position of those on the right side of the picture.
- Craig Eddy
And, Don, you're fighting a losing battle here, FYI. The Left seems to start with the notion that you are somehow lesser of an intellect, witness the "Conservatards" caption.
- Craig Eddy
The Constitution also says that black people only count as three-fifths of a person. That's the beauty of the Constitution - it doesn't require one to remain mired in stupidity.
- Steven Perez
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And this picture aggravates my blood pressure so much that I'm about to hit the Hide link, so Steven you'll have more *crickets* to write.
- Craig Eddy
So hide it and be gone, then. But stop whining.
- Steven Perez
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Interesting point, Craig. Except that if you haven't been in here for a while, I have been genuinely been trying to engage Don in intelligent discussion and have been ignoring the barbs on both sides - and he hasn't bothered.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Further, if it's driving up your blood pressure then perhaps you shouldn't keep looking at it. Hope your health insurance covers internet-related reactions.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
I'm not getting involved in this debate but some of those signs in the Lefties pic are photoshopped
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Which ones? (Original: http://answer.pephost.org/images..., http://answer.pephost.org/site...)
- Steven Perez
Don - I don't mind contributing some of my tax dollars so people who can't afford to pay for their healthcare can have it for free. Over here, anyone can visit the ER of a public hospital and be treated for free, or be treated as a patient in a public hospital for free. Eligibility for free or low-cost doctors visits and/or medicines is means-tested. Like I said, it's not perfect, and some people do abuse the system, but I would rather have this system than the alternative.
- Mellissa Claus
Dunno, Sean, you might be surprised at the sheer number of in-betweens out there who don't earn enough to afford company coverage but earn to much to qualify for state coverage. I agree, though, with your assertion that if they're not sure - apply anyway.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
To say nothing of the underinsured.
- Steven Perez
That's all so confusing to me.
- Mellissa Claus
A great read! "Could Wordpress Be the Natural Successor to Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook?" http://siliconangle.com/ver2... (via @backtype)
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(PQOTD) A true photograph need not be explained, nor can it be contained in words. Ansel Adams
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To some extent (recognizing exceptions) I tend to believe that there is an inverse relationship between the value of a photograph and the number of words needed to explain it.
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