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So... it turns out I have a new nephew, born 5 hours ago. My sister's labor was 32 hours. My mom, dad and youngest sister were there (as was the baby's mom, of course). But nobody called us. Odd.

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Found out on a friend's wall... that they "liked" a photo from Sister A of Sister B with the baby. Huh? - Louis Gray

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The same thing happened with me and my sister's last child. I was a little taken back. - Jesse Stay

That's a little....weird. To say the least. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Family is so weird. They rushed down to be at my sister's side, but we did our double birth solo last year. (Solo being Kristine and me, of course) No family ever made it to the hospital. - Louis Gray

That always happens to us, not just for babies, too - must be an oldest child thing or something. It irks me to no end. My sister lives the same distance from my parents as when we lived in Virginia and my Mom is at her house every other weekend. We used to have to beg to get her out to our house in Virginia. - Jesse Stay

It's always tough to explain that to the wife - Jesse Stay

If I had known... I would have been at the hospital waiting for the Twins - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Sorry to hear it, LG. - Spidra Webster

Well congratulations on the new addition and, er, sorry you found out this way. - WorldofHiglet

Johnny, let's just say I can always rely on you. :) - Louis Gray

Congrats, Louis! And, as you say, family's can be weird.. - Andrew Terry

Johnny, you could of cut the cord because Louis didn't want to. - Kristine Gray

I got to catch our 3rd child - caught it, cut the cord and everything. :-P - Jesse Stay

I caught Georgia and cut the cord as well. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Kristine, by Australian law, I'd have to say 'CRIKEY, she's a beauty!' ala Steve Irwin for each twin. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Didn't want to? Huh? Revisionist history! The docs did it for both and it wasn't discussed. :) - Louis Gray

LOL... I love how Louis just dropped the charge of Revisionist history into this argument. The Aussie equivalant is less diplomatic :) - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Ha. Of note, my littlest sister cut the cord for the nephew. Now that's odd. :) - Louis Gray

I found out a sister of mine was married this way. - CW™

Yes, CW - generally when we are married we cut the cord from our parents ;-) (or some do, at least) - Jesse Stay

Louis, you stated from the time I got pg that you didn't want to cut the cord. - Kristine Gray

...breaks out popcorn... - Jesse Stay

Actually social media makes getting together with family so much less dysFUNctional. Great aunt Edna can't be that annoying over the internet as in person. - Kristine Gray

My statement above was that I found out a sister was married on a post on facebook. No notice, no invitation, no nothing. Just a post on Facebook. - CW™

I'm so glad my wife's not on FriendFeed :-) (she keeps toying with the idea though) - Jesse Stay

That is weird CW. - Kristine Gray

Did the whole family find out that way or just you? - Kristine Gray

Kristine I'm glad you're on though :-) - Jesse Stay

thanks, I should be reading Silent Spring but this is much better - Kristine Gray

The Family in other states... I think.. She had some local family there but swore them to secrecy about it from others. - CW™

Why the secrecy? - Kristine Gray

I understand wanting a small wedding, but a notice would be nice. I could of sent a gift. - CW™

No clue. both of them are 18 and he is off to Iraq three days afterwards. Almost sounded like a bad WW2 story. - CW™

18? wow! - Kristine Gray

Old enough to go through it without parents approvals or anything. - CW™

so no parents there? - Kristine Gray

Her mom and step dad were there, no idea about the grooms parents. - CW™

what would we do without families to keep everything interesting? - Kristine Gray

Careful with CW, Kristine. This talk isn't cheap. "Answers: $1, Short answers: $5, Correct answers: $25, Sarcastic comments: Free" So, if he's not charging you, you can't believe it. - Louis Gray

Yeah no biggie. The choices of young adults are what Fox TV shows are made from.. so I guess this is just another story for another episode of Young beautiful rich somethings doing stupid things without thinking. - CW™

married at 18- yeah, that ALWAYS works out - Kristine Gray

well, i guess sometimes it does - Kristine Gray

I certainly hope the best for them. Honestly do. Its just interesting that its Facebook that was used to announce and not really from them, but from another family member that was there. In the early 1900's being sent a written letter might of caused a similar shock but there would be time to digest the information before writing back and even then it could of been weeks or month that... more... - CW™

Generally, I'd agree with you, Kristine, that 18 is too early. But my mom was 19 when she married my dad and they've been together 45 years. - Spidra Webster

Gratz and :( all rolled into one. - rowlikeagirl

Jesse has an interesting point. Maybe it IS an oldest child thing. I'm the oldest, and I had my son all alone, with no one there. When my two sisters had their kids, the whole family camped out for hours. Even so, congratulations to Uncle Louis and Aunt Kristine! - Trish R

That is a scratch-your-head-and-go-hmmmm kind of moment. Nonetheless, welcome new little one! - Martha

Maybe this is a son/daughter thing that daughters "need" Mom there more than sons so (and daughter-in-laws have their own Moms)? Family dynamics are always unusual. Hey, when did Kristine join FriendFeed? I've been missing out. - Internet Strategist

hey congratulations LG - Life's Good - Thomas Power

congrats! - Ryan Petty

Awe. Congrats to your family! - H0llywoodWh0re

did you quickly reserve the twitter name? - Allen Stern

I'm sorry you found out that way. Just a touch odd. :( - Yolanda

Alex Scoble

I'm waiting to hear back from the doctor on recent test to see if I suffer from vitamin D deficiency. I'm almost always dealing with fatigue issues, but the past few weeks have been ridiculous.

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Here's hoping that's all it is. Also, Whole Foods makes gummy vitamins that are D and calcium. They taste like candy. - joey

Could it be seasonal? Stress from the wedding? - CW™

The doctor can prescribe much higher doses of D than you can get at the store...plus I have a family history of kidney issues and that's where D is metabolized. And yeah, it could be seasonal too. We'll see how the test ends up. I'm also seeing a naturopath next week. - Alex Scoble from IM

Vit D is pretty cheap stuff so I just take it according to the guidelines at the heart scan blog recommendations at http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2009.... Might want to just give it a go. - Todd Hoff

Oh, good to know re: higher doses. - joey

You don't like the day star? - anna sauce

Tad had a really bad vit. D deficiency and the doc told him to just take the stuff from the store... He was taking like 10 pills a day for a while... But it helped... - Her Lindsay-ness

Talk to your dermatologist about Narrow Band UV Light treatments, due to Crohns relaed mal absorption I'm always vit mineral electrolyte deficent but the lights have helped with metabolism of the available nutrients - WarLord

I'd also suggest backing off white flour and sugar. I have horrible problems with fatigue (and allergies) and cutting the flour and sugar from my diet seems to alleviate that quite a bit. - vicster

Did I miss where you heard back? - Alix Whitmire

No, I never did, which means his test showed my Vitamin D as being within normal range. Waiting for my 2nd visit to the naturopathic doctor to see how the labs she gave me turned out. - Alex Scoble

Gah. I was hoping for you that it was "just" that, since that has such an easy remedy. :/ - Alix Whitmire

Yeah, I started taking 1000 IU Vitamin D pills from Trader Joe's anyhow. - Alex Scoble

I have heard of a number of people having this lately. One person I know felt tremendously better after taking supplements. Interesting. - Amy℠

Latest update: Went to my doctor's office to get copies of my latest test results...Come to find out that my Vitamin D levels are indeed low and that he's prescribing Vitamin D (one 50,000 IU pill per week for 6 weeks! 50,000 IU!)...Kind of annoyed that he sat on the results for two weeks, but oh well. - Alex Scoble

thats why you have to keep calling them...........and spend some time in the sun that will help - VAL D.

Something like 75% of people in the PNW have low Vitamin D so I'm totally not surprised! Glad you got a prescription to fix it up. - Rochelle

Yeah, Val, but my doctor's office is usually pretty good about getting results back to me. I figured that if they hadn't gotten back to me in a timely manner that my tests were normal...Now I know not to be so trusting next time. :) Yeah, Rochelle, my levels are seriously low. Minimum normal level is 30 whatevers on the test and I'm at like 18. - Alex Scoble

Stephen Mack

This week's new movies: 2012 (rotten, 36%) ... Pirate Radio (rottenish, 57%) ... Fantastic Mr. Fox (fresh, 91%) ... The Messenger (fresh, 90%) ... Oh My God (rotten, 10%) ... and much more. - http://www.rottentomatoes.com/movies...

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Yay!! Fantastic Mr. Fox is out!!!! - Rachel Lea Fox

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I have to admit I always think of Kevin when I see that movie title. - Stephen Mack

Me too! But if you happen to catch him doing that whistle click click thing, please slap him for me! ;) - Rachel Lea Fox

At least the whistling one is better than the one from 500 Days of Summer... - Stephen Mack

*lol* I don't know, the 500 days of summer one can be embarrassing but is also fun and funny. The whistle click click one just gets on my nerves and is annoying. I think I prefer the 500 days of summer one. - Rachel Lea Fox

But that's his thing. (Did you see it?) - Stephen Mack

No, it wasn't showing at any of the theatres near us yet. I know it's his big thing, but it's still annoying!! - Rachel Lea Fox

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Evan Young Talks "The Carrier" - Comic Book Resources - http://www.comicbookresources.com/...

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"The premise behind "The Carrier," Evan Young's iPhone graphic novel, is fairly basic: a guy wakes up in a dark room with no idea how he got there, who he is, or why a titanium briefcase is shackled to his wrist. The execution, however, is anything but simple. Existing only through iTunes (for now), the graphic novel mixes traditional comic book storytelling with various real-world iPhone features, including geolocation, email and messaging. "My hope is that people approach 'The Carrier' in a couple of different ways: both as a comic book, on one hand, but also as a new type of graphic novel storytelling that can only be experienced using today's mobile, digital devices - in this case, the iPhone or the iPod Touch," Young told CBR News. "First and foremost, 'The Carrier' is a comic book with a hook: a man wakes up in a strange city with a briefcase chained to his wrist, and he doesn't know how the case got there or what's inside of it." While the iPhone application, a $5.99 download... more... - RAPatton from Bookmarklet

I'd love to experience this. :( - Internet's Tad

I picked up the free lite version of the app which is the first chapter (thanks for the heads up RAPatton). I definitely want to find out what happens and see how all of the features come together. I'm struggling a bit with the $5.99 price probably due to my being spoiled by the .99 apps. On the other hand, I believe in paying people for their work and certainly don't expect things to be free. I'm hoping it will come down a little but I'll probably get it eventually :D Has anyone else checked it out? - metalerik

josh neff, Fun Dip of FF

I got a card from Pea in the mail! I'm so happy! Pea, you rock & you roll & you are all kinds of awesomeness! :)

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Yay! Mail rocks! - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

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Pea mail is full of awesome. - aden (yeah you heard me)

Pea is full of something . . . oh wait you said "Pea mail." Sorry! - Baroness Von Cut-A-Bitch

I'm full of love and you know it. - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

"love" . . . yes, that's what you are full of . . . *avoids making eye contact* - Baroness Von Cut-A-Bitch from IM

just for that ..... {{HUG}} - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

Wipe!!! I need a wipe!!! *runs in circles* - Baroness Von Cut-A-Bitch

See? You should be nice. - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

Yolanda

I can't imagine what it must feel like to be an astronaut and look back at the Earth.

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Neither can I, but I would really love to be able to do that. Of course, I also ache to travel to other solar systems & galaxies. - josh neff, Fun Dip of FF

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I know! I think it would be so scarily awesome to be in their shoes. To look back and then turn around and look out at everything else out there. Are the stars brighter out there? - Yolanda from IM

This universe is just so vast & amazing! It makes me sad that I'll only get to see a teeny, tiny part of it in my lifetime. - josh neff, Fun Dip of FF

I think if I was able to go up there and look down on Earth and see all of those stars my heart would just be so overwhelmed that I would just die. And at that point, that would be okay. - aden (yeah you heard me)

Exactly, Josh. I get sad reading some of these space articles and they talk about things that will happen so far in the future that I won't get to see them. - Yolanda from IM

Space just boggles my little brain cell. - Yolanda from IM

Exactly, Yolanda! I kind of wish I could live forever. I can't imagine being bored, with all the books there are to read, movies & TV shows to watch, music to listen to, people to meet--& I really want to see what happens to the human race in the future! - josh neff, Fun Dip of FF

I hope that I can still see what's going on from wherever I go after this long day is over. - Yolanda from IM

I know that there's been some scoffing in some parts of the media about wealthy space-tourists wasting money on their trips, but if I had the means, I'd *totally* want to go into space!! - Andrew Terry

I agree with Josh and Yolanda. It upsets me that there are wonders out there that we'll never see and can only imagine. Contact was on Saturday and I *so* envied Jodie Foster's character. - Timothy Griffin

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New scheme: assemble scores of photographs of a single literary work. Get people to take a "mug shot" of the cover of their copy or their library's copy, post them to Flickr with a CC License and I'll assemble into a slideshow, zine, book, or something. My question: what book?

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I'd like it to be something that is in just about every public or academic library, and a book that many/most people have read. So right now I'm thinking of "Catcher in the Rye." It also has the advantage of having several iconic covers, so it will be good to see those repeating throughout the series. - Steve is older than ever

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A FOAF has a collection of Alice in Wonderland books. There is so much variety in the manifestations (? ... not sure, I don't speak FRBR) of this work that I think it might also be a good candidate. - mita

And maybe some Flickr integration with Open Library? http://blog.openlibrary.org/2009... - mita

Mita, that's a good idea. I was thinking of maybe doing two works, one that would be mostly variations on a few well-known covers (like Catcher in the Rye or Ulysses) and one with more variation. The open library thing is cool--for this project it would be funny as they got flooded with tons of covers for the same work. - Steve is older than ever

Gone With the Wind? - cecily

I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings? Any of these are in MPOW. Did you have a particular theme that the choice of book could tie into? - Deborah Fitchett

Why dictate a book? Why not have everyone pick a book within a loose theme and then we could create a link between all the books like a "if you liked X you may like Y, where Y is within the set of LSW books on [theme]"? - Aaron the Librarian

Aaron, sounds cool, but that's a different project. I like the idea of seeing a ton of copies of the *same* book to see all the variations from new to battered to rebound, foreign editions, etc. - Steve is older than ever

That's a good reason why - thx :) - Aaron the Librarian

Waaah Catcher in the Rye is not in my library. How about Campbell's Operative Orthopaedics? That's a classic! - Jenny Reiswig

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A bomb was delivered to my place today. A LIBRARIAN BOMB!

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Thanks, Steve! Also, thank you for the awesome Mr. 7 Signature D&D card! - josh neff, Fun Dip of FF

joey

I'm reading Gone with the Wind finally and while parts of it make me do something much more than cringe, I am also so in love with this book in ways that I did not expect. It makes me feel a bit guilty in ways that I can't articulate. In fact, I can't explain much about this novel but I'd love to deconstruct it. Just as soon as I finish swooning.

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And I'm only 260 pages in...out of 1448. And I can't wait to watch the film. - joey

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I'd like to know why you feel guilty, if you feel like you can talk about it. - cecily

joey, I really have to warn you about the film. Don't get too excited about it. I know everyone loves it and it's a classic, but I also loved the book, and when I finished watching the movie I was so angry at the film and everyone who loves it. There are so many things wrong with the film I can't even describe. Maybe you won't have as extreme a reaction as I did, but I do think you will... more... - Rachel Lea Fox

cecily, it's really hard to articulate. There are two parts. One is the issue of race. I think for me, growing up in Seattle I experience racism, classism, and sexism within a context that is very different than the history of the South. We have income disparities, education disparities, police issues, and other institutional factors and I'm not trying to in any way dismiss those…but... more... - joey

They are still like that now joey. - Amber, Random Time Lord

My experiences growing up here contrast sharply with my first experience visiting my grandmum after she moved to a small town in North Carolina. We were walking into a grocery store and an elderly black gentleman was walking up behind us. I turned to hold the door open for him (as I was taught to do for people, especially for my elders) and was immediately met with the coldest glares... more... - joey

So I don't try to pull the wool over my eyes or hide from unpleasantness or horror, but in some ways the cavalier attitude and language that is thrown about in this novel is more shocking to me than some of the more brutal things I've read. It's just so…flippant. - joey

Amber, you mean things are still like that or particular places are? I'm sure I'm not articulating this well and I'm not trying to say that I think racism is not alive and well, just that I've never read about it from the perspective of white people within a narrative context that is also pleasing. I'm used to avoiding or condemning that kind of attitude from people, not wanting to know more about them. - joey

cecily, also, I feel guilty for the ways in which I might be Scarlett. And Melanie, at this point. That may or may not be easier to articulate. I'm only 300 pages in now. - joey

I live in KY. I don't like leaving my county because of it. Went to one of my friends hometown once and was harassed the whole 30 mins we were there. My (very whit) friends freaked out about it and we left. I was just glad they just thought I was just a black dude and they didn't get to the homophobia part on top of it. - Amber, Random Time Lord

i wonder of sir scoble reads threads like these? - T. Brent, technopeasant

Amber, I've seen that when visiting NC and I know it from reading the news and hearing stories from you and others and I can't believe something so inhuman could overtake people in the first place let alone in 2009. I KNOW it does, but I just don't see that living here (we have our own institutional oppressions) and I'm horrified. I'm horrified that I'm reading a book about people who... more... - joey

Also, I just want to say that I'm sorry that you or anyone else had to experience that harassment. And I'm glad that they didn't get to the homophobia part...which is another issue that we have here in WA but that tends to manifest itself far differently than what I've seen while in the South. - joey

not a bad way to go, if you ask me. man, oh, man i like to think that i'd be one of those white folk working the underground railroad... - T. Brent, technopeasant

Joey, thank you for your honesty. In some ways I understand where you're coming from, and that sensitivity is really hard to find in some sectors of American society. But in other ways, I prefer to thinknof it as a historical record, and evidence of how society has changed. The book was written during a specific historical context about another historical context, and I think as... more... - cecily from iPhone

I will say that as someone who grew up in the south (in "progressive" Atlanta) that those attitudes still exist, especially that whole deference to whites thing. My parents were older - products of the depression - and even though I grew up in a majority black city, they still impressed certain lessons upon me that make me deeply uncomfortable. But I also take Amber's point about the... more... - cecily from iPhone

Cecily, I definitely agree about keeping a historical record...I'm just not used to reading things like this and caring for such flawed characters this deeply, which I suppose is a testament to the writing and their development. Usually I feel more detachment. And I agree that the attitudes exist everywhere (including here...and one could look at legislation and other institutions to see them), but so much to do with social interactions is veiled out here. - joey

I've never read or seen it. but I hear that the one guy is the other guy's father. And that everyone dies in the end. oops, that didn't spoil it for you did it? - Morgan Haley

I've never read it! - Rochelle

I started to read Gone With The Wind more than a decade ago and couldn't get through it. On a related note, though, I listened to The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn on tape and loved it. I thought it was hilarious. I was able to tune out the "n" words. There was something different about the way it was used back then from the way it's used in the 20th century and today. It wasn't meant in violence and as an insult as often back then. It was just something people said. - Kamilah Gill

Joey, I think you're feeling about how I feel when I read books by Faulkner (especially Light in August). He has some of the most racist characterizations I've ever read, but I get drawn in and start caring about the characters against my will. - cecily

I've never read it, but I've read a lot of other fiction that invokes these issues. I do cringe when I read it, but I am able to distance myself from it and place it within its time and place. I'm better at this when I'm reading fiction, though. For a project I read a lot of eugenicist tracts from the early 1900s and those make me positively ill. Really vile stuff. However, knowing that... more... - Katy S

I never made it through the whole novel - got stuck somewhere in the middle of the war. It probably didn't help that I'd already seen the movie three or four times before I started reading the book, so the book just felt....really long. I really appreciate reading your viewpoints, joey, cecily, Amber, and Katy. I tend not to be as affected by racism in historical contexts as in... more... - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

I've read "Gone With the Wind" (wrote a paper about it in 10th grade) and the sequel (not by Margaret Mitchell), "Scarlett" after that. Having grown up in the South, I identified with Scarlett a lot (not the debutant aspects, because I was not the "pretty girl" growing up, but with the whole "making due with what you have" and "rising above it all" aspects). Sadly, I don't remember... more... - Her Lindsay-ness

Lindsay, I couldn't make it through Scarlet, I feel off about half way through. My bigger problems with the movie were not that they condensed but that they didn't get into the issues enough that they did keep, they cut out sections of her life that make later things not make sense. They changed important details and the one that always irks me the most (Small Spoiler here - its still... more... - Rachel Lea Fox

Joey, I think you will appreciate a couple of scenes in the book that happen later after the Reconstruction begins. They define some things that are often glossed over. Mitchell wrote the book after having grown up around those who were not all that far removed from that time period. As a child she played with civil war veterans and listened to the stories of others. I would encourage... more... - Melanie Reed

Thanks for the comments, everyone. Kamilah, I remember reading that book too and it being much easier to gloss over and put it in it's place in time. I wonder why Gone with the Wind makes me feel differently. And Melanie, good point. My feelings may change as the story and characters progress. Also, I'll be sure not to expect the film to mirror the book so that I'm not disappointed! - joey

There is a very important role to be played by vice and villainy in literature and the arts. My concern is that we may remove some of the guts, necessary to healthy purgation and catharsis, by making all characters milquetoast and agreeable. I understand that, during the Middle Ages when the Passion Plays were presented, starring characters with names like 'Hope,' 'Faith' and such, the most popular character was 'Vice'... some embodiment of the 7 Deadly Sins. The crowd would go wild... - T. Brent, technopeasant

...they were seeing a side of themselves that they, more often than not, did not want to admit they had. But to see it played out vicariously on stage, had a purgative effect... I believe. Shakespeare continued this tradition with his villains, whom I love for the most part. This is NOT to celebrate the behaviour, but to have it purged through art. I embrace some behaviours in characters that I would abhor in real life. - T. Brent, technopeasant

That being said, I believe that there are responsible and irresponsible ways to render Vice in art. - T. Brent, technopeasant

Brent, the difference between that and Gone With the Wind (and similar literature) is that in Shakespeare and morality plays, it's clear that the Vice characters are bad. We may love to see them, but both we and the original authors know that they are NOT people to emulate in real life. With literature like GWTW, the racist viewpoints represented are not depicted as wrong or bad -... more... - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Jandy, I was using extreme examples to make a point. The same would apply, too, to characters who have 'dark sides' but are not outright villains. Wrestling with these questions is important. But I am very wary when it comes to the on-going attempts (it seems) to make art bland. - T. Brent, technopeasant

if you read my last comment: "responsible and irresponsible ways to render Vice in art", you'll see that we agree. - T. Brent, technopeasant

Jandy, I would agree with you, in part, that some villains are more clearly drawn than others, but I wouldn't include blindness as the single qualifier for villainy. I think Brent has a point. Take Macbeth, he seems clearly a villain but not on the order of Iago in Othello. Why? Because Macbeth feels fear over the evil that he has done. Iago does not: he gloats in it. - Melanie Reed

I would qualify my statement better with parts of GWTW but I would ruin it for Joey. :) - Melanie Reed

Joey, I really appreciate your honesty & candor about how the racism in the book affects you. I grew up in Florida, and now live out in Liberalstan (currently Bay Area, CA). It has truly boggled my mind on some occasions witnessing the attitude people out here can have about racism. It becomes more subtle and possibly even more sinister out here, but some people seem to believe it... more... - Lo

Jandy, you summed up my conflicting thoughts far, far better than I could. And it's not that I'm not enjoying the novel at face value or for the fact that it's making me have to think about relating so deeply to such flawed heroes (I actually especially like that). In this case, I don't feel that I can simply dismiss those flaws as 'a product of the times' even though they are (because... more... - joey

Joey, what do you think about Scarlett? - Melanie Reed

Melanie, I think she's fascinating, but at this point in the book (and I'm still at the beginning of the story and know that a lot changes) I find her to be very smart, intuitive, manipulative, over-dramatic, selfish, and immature. And I pretty much love her. - joey

Melanie, I can't wait to finish the book and watch the movie so that we can really get to talking about this and you can bring up those later parts of the story ;) - joey

you know.. I've read Scarlett, but can't for the life of me remember if I've read GWTW... dammit. Need to add that to my stack. - Liana Shanes

Ah, the opening sentence has done its work. ;) - Melanie Reed

Liana get ready for a huge departure in writing quality. :) - Melanie Reed

Lo, I agree. It definitely exists in personal behaviors and in institutions; it's just a lot easier for the privileged to be oblivious (either intentionally or not) when it's more subtle than someone burning crosses. - joey

Joey, I look forward to that as well. - Melanie Reed

I need to read it! And watch the film. Haven't done either. EDIT: And having just read this thread, I'm fascinated by the insight and conversation. - Derrick

Joey, super-OT but: my all-time greatest hit in Northern California was a former DHL employee who said he quit his job because "the blacks" were "so lazy," but he suspected their "shitty attitude" was because they hated working for a German-owned company because of the Holocaust. "But that's crap, they're always playing the race card." I thought that bus would never come! :) - Lo

Melanie, no, I agree on the level of the characters themselves. But Shakespeare doesn't gloss over the things Macbeth did; they're clearly wrong. In racist literature, the problem is that the authors often don't have enough distance from it to realize it themselves. The sort of blindness I meant was on the authors' part, not the characters. I don't know enough about Margaret Mitchell... more... - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

I read the first two pages and couldn't get passed those. Is it really so worth it? - @CrystalinaB

Shakespeare has been accused of it all: racism, misogyny, anti-semitism... - T. Brent, technopeasant

Crystalina, I'm finding myself really absorbed by it...but I think I had to be in the right frame of mind to finally pick it up (and I didn't really know what to expect...I got it because I was reminded by Cecily that it's a classic film I've never seen and I have a thing about reading a book first) and I thought maybe I'd read it while I languished in our heat wave but I wasn't really ready until now. My copy is 1448 pages. If you're not interested, I don't see any reason to force yourself to read it. - joey

T. Brent...plagiarism...;) - joey

Good point, Brent. Just saying that considering an author to be innately racist/misogynist/anti-semitic is different than their characters being villains. A villain is an intentional narrative device; if you didn't mean the term in that way, then I misread you initially. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Jandy, I agree that Shakespeare did not gloss over...although I am familiar with the basis for Brent's last post: some people do think it and for those that do I often find they have not read deeply enough. Mitchell was a reporter for a time and a bit of a revolutionist in her thinking. As a book is read the reader has to take into consideration the environment, the time period, the... more... - Melanie Reed

Y'all need to read "The Wind Done Gone", a derivative GWTW work that was written from Prissy's point of view. - cecily

Cecily, I'll have to do that...just waiting for the court case to be done...which I see that it has and I am 7 years behind. ;) btw- Margaret Mitchell would have agreed about the plantation size: she felt it was way over done in the film. - Melanie Reed

yes! i love that kind of treatment... - T. Brent, technopeasant

I read GWTW when I was a teenager, and it was, and still is, one of my favorite books. I always found the Civil War fascinating, tragic, and so many other feelings. Sometimes we have to read stories that are hard to take, to understand our history, and where we are in present time. Joey if you're enjoying it now, then I predict you will enjoy the whole book. - Bonnie Foster

Okay, I finished it. I don't even know what to say. I don't know if I can even handle watching the film right now. - joey

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Jason and Derrick at Disneyland - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

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You totally snuck these :-) - Jason Toney

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That ain't right. ;) - Derrick

Lemme guess... Doc is on the left and Sneezy is on the right? ;op - Mark Jepsen

you sure that's not sleepy and dopey? derrick looks like he's catching some ZZZZs. and oh wait. did i just call my boyfriend dopey? um, it was said with love? - tiffany

That shot of Derrick is amazing. I love the DOF and composition. - Sparky, a big deal

Dopey? RUDE! - Jason Toney

Candid shots are always the best shots. I like both of these. :-) - Jason Huebel

agree with Jason - ffcode

but your dopiness is so charming love :-* - tiffany

Aren't you guys at the happiest place on earth? *smiles* - John Tastad

GREAT pics! - Martha

Steve is older than ever

Entropy 3 : Lawsons 0. (Can't find my glasses or wedding ring or Mr. 7's backpack this morning.)

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:-( - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

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Oh, dear. - cecily

not necessarily in order of importance. - DJF

Did you check the meatloaf? - Rochelle Rochelle

Did someone say meatloaf? - Sarah June

Found the glasses, assuming the kid left his backpack at school on Friday. So that leaves the ring. - Steve is older than ever

Do you have raccoons in your neighborhood? If so, check the basement. - Catherine Pellegrino

Here's hoping it wasn't in the meatloaf, 'cause then you'd, well, you know... - Jennifer McDaniel from Android

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If I looked all over the world And there's every type of girl But your empty eyes seem to pass me by And leave me using Dancing with Myself covered by The Donnas as today's genius list seed

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One Way or Another by Blondie - RAPatton from iPhone

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Sour Cherry by The Kills - RAPatton from iPhone

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I Know What Boys Like by The Waitresses - RAPatton from iPhone

Goodbye to You covered by The Veronicas - RAPatton from iPhone

Seether by Veruca Salt - RAPatton from iPhone

Take it Off by The Donnas - RAPatton from iPhone

We Used to be Friends by The Dandy Warhols - RAPatton from iPhone

Lights Out by Santogold - RAPatton from iPhone

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Music is my Hot, Hot Sex by CSS - RAPatton from iPhone

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I like you so much better when your naked by Ida Maria - RAPatton from iPhone

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After this next 2 sets, I'll head to the hot tub - RAPatton from iPhone

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Josh, thanks for the Argyle Signal before I left the house today.

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roflmao - Mary Carmen

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'Hello, can I talk to you about Satan?' - Pete

*dead* - aden (yeah you heard me)

i love the prop. - Kendra K

Bad boy! Send back my trident! - Aaron the Librarian

*bumping for some more argyle action* - aden (yeah you heard me)

This is a must for the men of FF calendar. Or something like this. Including pitchfork. - Sarah June

Our Guile has worked splendidly! Mwahaahhahaha! - Morgan Haley

josh neff, Fun Dip of FF

I'm a member of the Argyle Club today.

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Good color on you. - Mary Carmen

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Thanks, MC! Good to know. - josh neff, Fun Dip of FF

Looking good, mister! - Yolanda

Thanks, Yolanda! - josh neff, Fun Dip of FF

Suddenly my Monday got a little bit better - aden (yeah you heard me)

Aw, thanks, Aden! - josh neff, Fun Dip of FF

The look on your face is making me giggle. I've seen that face up close....nothing, but mischief will come from it. Tee hee. - Mary Carmen

Why, I have no idea what you mean, Mary Carmen. I'm planning on being as well-behaved as I always am! - josh neff, Fun Dip of FF

*snort* - aden (yeah you heard me)

exactly - Mary Carmen

The Argyle Club has been needing some new blood for some time now. An excellent choice. - Ha3rvey (not Akiva)

This just keeps making me giggle....tee hee. - Mary Carmen

*bumping some argyle love* - aden (yeah you heard me)

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Dirty Projectors - Stillness is the Move

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ooh. this track is dope. and i like solange's cover. EDIT: you know ... this sounds more R&B than indie rock anyway. almost weirder to hear that it's *NOT* originally by solange. - tiffany

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I like it! - Katy S

There's a lot of this Indie/R&B cross-pollination going on lately. I think about Discovery, Passion Pit, MGMT, The XX, and as you can see here, Dirty Projectors. - cecily

I can definitely hear the Bjork influence in this. - Katy S

there's a lot of cross-pollination going on generally i think. kanye has been doing weird stuff for the last couple of years. lil wayne is trying to be a rocker. justin timberlake is almost an R&B singer. music artists are really bending and twisting genres in ways that they haven't done since the '70s and '80s.... but now, we have a lot more genres to mix and mash. - tiffany

I've been very much enjoying Passion Pit lately. - Erica Mauter

okay, c. it's your fault. i am utterly addicted to both versions. playing them on repeat back-to-back right now. - tiffany

My work is done. :D - cecily

I think I first heard of the band at SXSW. Like the album, and the song is a bit HOT 97'ish, but the rest of the album isn't as funked out. Like what Solange did with it. Who knew? - Derrick

Also, this is all such a weird coincidence as I saw a bunch of tweets about the Dirty Projectors playing here just this weekend. Hadn't heard of them before that. - Erica Mauter

I've been seeing Dirty Projectors all over last.fm lately. Downloading this and Solange now and listening. - Lynne d Johnson

Kol Tregaskes

Got paid today and paid all my bills too. Oh look nothing left. :-(

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That's always the way. :( - Tyson Key

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:( - Jim Hearts FF

Yeah - that's such a blast. - Jeremy

Better than not paying all your bills and having nothing left... - Sparky, a big deal

I hear ya - VAL D.

Sparky, true. - Kol Tregaskes

josh neff, Fun Dip of FF

Anyone want to come work at my library? http://www.jocolibrary.org/templat...

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Hrmm... - Ha3rvey (not Akiva)

Laura id stubbed ub.

For the Baroness:

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Akiva Moskovitz

Audrey's favorite new game? Let's-open-a-kitchen-cabinet-and-pull-things-out. On the kitchen floor is currently a box of potato starch, two tins of tuna, some vegetable oil, and cupcake wrappers.

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And now she's sneezing repeatedly; probably from the potato starch dust. She didn't realize that I was watching her. She was just chatting happily to herself as she peered into the darkness of the cabinet with a tin of tuna in one hand and a cupcake wrapper in the other. - Akiva Moskovitz

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If only you had a camera - Matthew DeVries

Or access to some technology that would allow me to rapidly distribute a photo or video to a staggeringly large audience almost instantaneously. - Akiva Moskovitz

Oh, I remember those days! I locked all of the cabinets except the tupperware one :p Add a couple of wooden spoons and she'd have a party! - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕

Yeah, we have a plethora of baby-proofing devices but just haven't had the time/inspiration to get it done. - Akiva Moskovitz

Tupperware was specifically designed for this stage of development. I realize that Tupperware isn't as commonplace as it once was, but let me tell you, it's perfect! Multiple sizes and colors, stackable, nestable and absolutely nothing is breakable or likely to cause owies. If you don't have Tupperware, any plastic ware, preferably of a nesting variety, should suffice. - Mark Jepsen

and to think we have spent tons of $$$$$$$ on toys........... - VAL D.

That's why we put all the bowls and stuff in the bottom cabinets. Our kids had hours of fun pulling out the plastic bowls and pounding on them with wooden spoons. - Jason Huebel

Yup, pots and pans in our bottom cabinets. Kid has a field day. - ronin

@Akiva, you don't baby-proof the bottom cabinets. You baby-FUN them. :-) She'll love you for it. - Jason Huebel

I loved that game. :) - Victor Ganata

She's just pointing out that you guys need some cupcakes in the house. (edit: preferably not made of tuna) - Yolanda

We're going to have to have to lock up the cupboards because even though they're safe (in that they contain things that are okay for her to play with), she gets her fingers in the door and then slams the door, pinching her fingers over and over. Then she screams. :/ - Rochelle

Poor beebee. Do not like. :( - Yolanda

Steve is older than ever

Librarian Bomb, LSW zine number 2, now available - http://stevelawson.name/seealso...

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Haggis (Sean Loyless)

Hey Monday: Don't be cruel. Cuz I would never be that cruel to you. Oh oh, oh ohhhHHhh oh.

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Ralph Tresvant had an awesome solo career, didn't he? - Bren, Photophobe

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I was quoting Bobby Brown, not BBD! - Haggis (Sean Loyless) from IM

Ralph wasn't in BBD. :D - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

Ugh, New Edition. They might as well have been all in the same group. - Haggis (Sean Loyless) from IM

I know Sean... sorry, this was a very oblique joke at Pea's expense... but Ralph was the original lead in New Edition, along with Bobby Brown - Bren, Photophobe

Bren, I got it. But I thought it was funnier that you were poking at me in someone else's thread. :D - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

Sean: BBD were in New Edition, along with Bobby and Ralph :) - Bren, Photophobe

hey, I use whatever tools are available, Pea ;) - Bren, Photophobe

SO I WAS RIGHT AFTER ALL. Damn you Pea for making me correct myself! :) - Haggis (Sean Loyless) from IM

But Ralph was not in BBD, Sean. so you were still wrong. But that's okay, because knowing this much about the genealogy of New Edition/BBD/Boyz II Men/ABC is just wrong. - Bren, Photophobe

No, you still weren't right because Ralph wasn't in BBD. - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

Poor Sean. A mini-FF mob is ganging up on him because of his lack of New Edition knowledge. hee. - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

For the record, Brendan started it all. Is innocent -------------------> - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

LOL. Let's see how long this song stays in my head today. - Victor Ganata

Ricky Bell, Mike Bivens, and Ronnie Devoe... I wonder if Sean will delete his account because of this? - Bren, Photophobe

Ugh, cut me some slack, I was like 8 years old! :D - Haggis (Sean Loyless) from IM

This stuff is important. Do your homework son. - Rodfather

Excuses Excuses. Just ask Holden if age is an excuse for anything... ;) - Bren, Photophobe

Bah, to hell with you all. *Goes off to listen to KRS-ONE* - Haggis (Sean Loyless) from IM

Solo? Or when he was in Public Enemy? Bwahahahahaha - Bren, Photophobe

Sean, and now I LOVES you even more. The crush that was started by some duct tape and sports socks was just magnified by your mention of KRS. BDP, baby! - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

Also remember Bobby went solo since he was replaced by Johnny Gill. - Rodfather

Duct tape and sports socks? This sounds interesting! - Sarah June

LOL Sarah. Actually it was Electrical tape! :D - Haggis (Sean Loyless) from IM

:( crush just dimished a bit. Duct tape > electrical tape ;-) - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

The Duct tape I had was brown! I needed black. - Haggis (Sean Loyless) from IM

still has a sad ------------> - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

*Stops reading this thread, jams to A Tribe Called Quest instead* :P - Haggis (Sean Loyless) from IM

Ohh I'm about to watch a Ralph T. video on YouTube later... - Anna Lynn M.

Sean could've stopped this whole thread by just saying, "it's my prerogative" - chrisofspades

Too easy, too easy. :D - Haggis (Sean Loyless) from IM

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Stocking stuffer - http://worldofwonder.net/2009...

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"The Leica M7 Edition Hermès will be available in the UK from December 2009 and is priced at an impressive 8500 Pounds. ($12,216 USD) The strictly limited Leica M7 Edition Hermès comes in silver chrome with a choice of two striking calfskin leather finishes – orange and étoupe – supplied by Hermès. Just 100 of each colour will be made available, and each individual camera will have a special sequential serial number between 001/200 and 200/200." - RAPatton from Bookmarklet

I really want a Leica..any leica.. - Anna Lynn M.

aw man. I'd love this as a stuffer. - @CrystalinaB