I'll remember that the next time I get exposed to commercial grade pesticides (thank you, modern day science for that wonderful "discovery" for compromising my immune system) vomiting up almost every day, hot diarrhea, wonderful boils over my skin that lasted for 3 years, broke and bled so much that I had to wear T-shirts to bed under my pajamas, lesions in my nose, an overgrowth and...
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- Melanie Reed
The placebo effect has been clinically proven under control circumstances, again and again and again. Having said that, I am all for whatever works to remedy the ailment(s).
- Kurt Starnes
Kurt, It was not placebo. This took a measurable edge off the pain. It also had to be administered at a particular time in the pain cycle or the pain simply was too overwhelming
- Melanie Reed
Melanie - I'm just happy to hear you are no longer suffering!
- Kurt Starnes
Thank you, Kurt! I am glad of the improvement as well. It stole a lot of my health and years of my life. But they were not wasted spiritually. Without God, I could not have endured something like that. The person inside gained strength even though the person outside suffered.
- Melanie Reed
Melanie, I'm sorry for your suffering, but there is and never has been one shred of evidence at any time in the past 220 years in a repeatable trial that showed any effect from homeopathic medicine beyond what is reasonably expected from a placebo. Diluting some material to a ratio of...
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- Glen Mistletoe
Thank you, Glenn. Have you used Homeopathy? Until the drug companies came in with their big business approach it and other methods from the east and native Indians were being used to treat many Chronic conditions successfully without doing harm. Now we have a singular approach many might liken to a "sledge hammer" approach that in all fairness does seem to help in traumatic and some...
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- Melanie Reed
Besides that, respected physician, Dr. Andrew Weil disagrees with this man on this point
- Melanie Reed
You sure know how to catch them, Christopher ;)
- Eivind
And that there are issues with the pharmaceutical industry has nothing whatsoever to do with homeopathy's (essentially, "magic" water's) efficacy or lack thereof in the treatment of disease.
- Christopher A Carr
By whom is Andrew Weil respected? His agent and publisher, I suppose. He advocates all manner of quackery, and isn't much better than that flimflamer and scoundrel, Deepak Chopra.
- Christopher A Carr
Placebos can have a measurable effect on pain and other symptoms. The placebo effect is well documented and quite real, though the benefits are unrelated to the particular substance administered.
- Kevin Fox
This is a pet peeve of mine, and it may be the issue at stake here. The word "homeopathy" is used to mean two different things, and the confusion might not be accidental. 1. herbal remedies, in sane concentrations, which probably can work to treat certain diseases; after all, many drugs used today (including aspirin and penicillin) are derived from the natural world. 2. substances...
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- Tudor Bosman
The two concepts are very different in the mind of a scientist, but the average Joe will see both kinds of products lumped under the same heading ("homeopathic remedies") in the grocery store or pharmacy.
- Tudor Bosman
And, aside: I like Randi, but I think we skeptics will only stand to gain when the person at the forefront of our movement is someone more charismatic and less of an asshole :)
- Tudor Bosman
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...: "Not all homeopaths advocate extremely high dilutions. Many of the early homeopaths were originally doctors and generally used lower dilutions such as "3X" or "6X", rarely going beyond "12X". The split between lower and higher dilutions followed ideological lines. Those favoring low dilutions stressed pathology and a strong link to...
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- Tudor Bosman
Tudor, yes, too many people do consider homeopathy only in your second sense and do not consider the first. And yes, I agree the confusion is not accidental.
- Melanie Reed
Tudor: Randi is a lovely fellow, and by no means an "asshole."
- Christopher A Carr
Tudor: You left off this part: "...Some products with such relatively lower dilutions continue to be sold, but like their counterparts, they have not been conclusively demonstrated to have any effect beyond the placebo effect.[71][72]"
- Christopher A Carr
And for the (what appears to be majority of) homeopathic practitioners who advocate high dilutions, what of this concern? : "Furthermore, since water will have been in contact with millions of different substances throughout its history, critics point out that water is therefore an extreme dilution of almost any conceivable substance. By drinking water one would, according to this interpretation, receive treatment for every imaginable condition.[99]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Christopher A Carr
And who funded those studies? I am very skeptical of studies. Why? Because of who funds them, how they are often conducted and who stands to benefit from their findings. The university level is not without agenda. Here's the point on which this turns: placebo has become an overused word and it certainly has never benefited the homeopathy I have used (and was initially skeptical of in...
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- Melanie Reed
"...placebo has become an overused word and it certainly has never benefited the homeopathy I have used..." How would you know the difference?
- Christopher A Carr
"And I daresay, Christopher, were you in the same sea, neither would you." I'm not the magical thinker that you are. So, yes, I would turn down snake oil for which their was neither any evidence of efficacy, nor any plausible proposed mechanism of activity.
- Christopher A Carr
To be clear, is it your position that extreme dilution is the invalid sort of homeopathy? Water, in fact, does not have "memory?"
- Christopher A Carr
And how would you know the difference, Christopher? Is the patient better? Are they cured? Then what does it matter that they are good health again, how it was accomplished, really. That is the bottom line, isn't it? They're better health now. I have met doctors and read accounts of doctors who openly admit they don't know how their patient recovered....but they did. So does it really matter how?
- Melanie Reed
What does it matter how it was accomplished? First of all, that one ingests some substance and subsequently improves, does not necessarily mean that the substance effected an improvement. The person may have gotten better anyway. Or, the person's expectations that they would be helped by the substance could have kicked in the placebo effect. In good studies, the placebo effect is...
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- Christopher A Carr
Does it ever occur that what works for one may not work for another, Christopher? As much as the idea of batch delivery appeals to the economies of scale for cure, one size really doesn't fit all. For example, they used to lose more women on the table than men during heart surgery. Why? The stent was made for men and thought to be purposeful for both. So does it occur, that harsh drugs...
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- Melanie Reed
What constitutes "harshness" in a drug? What "gentler approach" are you referring to? Water?
- Christopher A Carr
"And yet, most women were telling them something was wrong and they wouldn't listen." <-- Does that make the proposed mechanism by which homeopathy works any more plausible? If so, how?
- Christopher A Carr
Melanie: One of your arguments seems to go something like "science-based medicine isn't perfect, therefor x & y non-science-based techniques are effective." That is illogical.
- Christopher A Carr
An example of harshness in a drug: prenatal nausea drugs that cause missing limb birth defects.
- Melanie Reed
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal... From the British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology: "ABSTRACT - Homeopathy remains one of the most controversial subjects in therapeutics. This article is an attempt to clarify its effectiveness based on recent systematic reviews. Electronic databases were searched for systematic reviews/meta-analysis on the...
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- Christopher A Carr
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed... - "Are the clinical effects of homoeopathy placebo effects? Comparative study of placebo-controlled trials of homoeopathy and allopathy." : BACKGROUND: Homoeopathy is widely used, but specific effects of homoeopathic remedies seem implausible. Bias in the conduct and reporting of trials is a possible explanation for positive...
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- Christopher A Carr
Real Homeopathy includes using ginger root tea and Shoyu tea (macrobiotic-eastern medicine) for nausea. They are both considered very safe. That would have been a safer and gentler medicinal alternative to prenatal nausea drugs
- Melanie Reed
I can vouch for ginger & peppermint for nausea, though there is another herb vastly superior to both. (dunno if it's a good idea with pregnancy though!)
- Lo is not learning
Ginger's effects are rather weak. What do you mean by "shoyu tea?" Soy sauce in hot water? "Tea" is Camellia sinensis. It's not my understanding that the partaking of herbal or folk remedies (some of which have plausible mechanisms of activity) amounts to homeopathy.
- Christopher A Carr
Due to the absurdity in his explanation and the comedy approach in presentation, I can't help but feel there must be another side. For instance in speaking of the potency due to molecule quality, filtered water eliminates substance so the billions of years of accumulating molecules would be irrelevant. Unless I am missing something here.
- Lillie Oliver
I wonder if there is a strong correlation between believers in homeopathy and theism, as I see fills Melanie's feed.
- Colby
Colby, actually not. I didn't try homeopathy until western medicine didn't work. I wasn't raised on it. I resisted trying it for years. I didn't expect anything to work. I was properly conditioned not to believe in anything other than western medicine. I wasn't a good candidate for homeopathy if placebo was the basis of its success.
- Melanie Reed
Lillie: You *are* missing something. The molecules don't need to be there anymore, because water molecules "remember" having been in proximity to the solute molecules, and to other water molecules that were in proximity to the solute molecules. Yes; crazy.
- Christopher A Carr
:) I'll tell my homeopathist and throw out all those books right away, Christopher. And I'll go back to waiting in pain in those doctor office's till they find what works and when I run out of money. I'll be sure to just keep up my faith that they will find help soon . lol
- Melanie Reed
Are you seeing a naturopathic practitioner who uses homeopathy on occasion?
- Christopher A Carr
Melanie: You should peruse the Wikipedia article. It's pretty thorough.
- Christopher A Carr
Melanie, Western medicine works in many cases, some diseases we obviously can treat better than others. Genetics and epigenetics make for varying individual responses for drugs, we know this. Pharmacogenomics is helping us improve this. Meanwhile, in controlled studies homeopathy always fails. A n=1 is never evidence that something works.
- Colby
Melanie: And while it might sound mean, your anecdotes are not really worth much of anything in this discussion.
- Christopher A Carr
Also, homeopathy is dangerous because it dissuades people such as yourself from seeking evidence based treatment from qualified physicians. People who practice and promote homeopathy are putting many people at risk if they don't seek appropriate treatments.
- Colby
Christopher, no offense is taken. I know what happened. I know what helped and so do many others.
- Melanie Reed
Colby and Christopher. My intent is not to replace Western medicine but to respect it for what it is and to stand firm on its limitations. What I would ask of you is to respect that you nor I have the complete answer for every case. I (yes every individual) has the right to choose their medical care. And western medicine needs to trust that I am capable of knowing what is best for me....
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- Melanie Reed
"I know what happened. I know what helped and so do many others." I'm sure you think that's true.
- Christopher A Carr
I don't think everyone has equal rights at all. People with no understanding of scientific literature should not have a choice of something of zero rationality. Again you are using poor logic that because Western medicine sometimes fails (sometimes it is simply an incompetent physician), homeopathy is something that can step in and fill the gap. But in objective trials, homeopathy always fails.
- Colby
Colby, an understanding of scientific literature does not ensure agreement with it. :) I said nothing of the kind. Homeopathy is not here to support Western medicine and neither is any other methodology outside of it. Tools work together. And they are nothing more than tools, hopefully applied well and with care.
- Melanie Reed
I still think you are talking about herbalism or something, not homeopathy.
- Christopher A Carr
I suppose preventing dehydration could improve some outcomes :p
- Colby
"Homeopathy" is not an antonym of "Western medicine." And it's not a catch-all term for every sort of non-standard medicine. "Homeopathy" is not a synonym of "alternative medicine."
- Christopher A Carr
I always assumed the "homeo-" part was a reference to the law of similars.
- Eivind
"Recently, homeopathy has come to mean pretty much anything in the way of alternative therapy, from aromatherapy and herbal remedies to pressure points and chiropractic techniques. But homeopathy itself is actually something very different. It doesn't mean that homeopathy doesn't often coincide with herbal remedies or aromatherapy, many homeopathic remedies are herbal in origin. But...
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- Eivind
"Earlier this week, a billboard went up in Nashville for a group called Secular Life. An offensive, hateful, evil billboard. One so awful, a number of people denounced it! Which makes sense, I guess… just look at all the blasphemy:"
- Christopher A Carr
from Bookmarklet
Looking for: Eating Slowly Increases the Postprandial Response of the Anorexigenic Gut Hormones, Peptide YY and Glucagon-Like Peptide-1 http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi... email: ace0cc+papers@gmail.com
Current Opinion in Clinical Nutrition and Metabolic Care:
November 2008 - Volume 11 - Issue 6 - p 683-685
doi: 10.1097/MCO.0b013e3283154f09
Nutrition and physiological function: Edited by Wim H.M. Saris, Steven B. Heymsfield and William J. Evans
Human brain evolution: food for thoughts
Saris, Wim HM; Heymsfield, Steven B; Evans, William J
Wow. Turned my Thesis in at 4 this afternoon, google wave developer sandbox activation at 10pm. Perfect timing. Add me if you like :) brian.krueger@wavesandbox.com
The Great Google Wave invite thread. Anyone who wants an invite post your Gmail address here and anyone who has invites available please use to invite the people on this list. There are also a bunch of requests in the Invites group here: http://friendfeed.com/invites
I have a few but holding them for a few people who have already asked me. I'm at kolint [at] googlewave [dot] com btw. A pain I know but if you can, could you update your comment when you have an account or just delete your comment. Ta! :-) EDIT: Try this site for invites: http://googlewaveinvites.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Are people on this list getting invites or at least been told they have an invite on the way? You might have to be patient, it could take a long time for one to come through.
- Kol Tregaskes
Adam, yep agree. Maybe because I did that (month ago though) helped me get mine through from Vijay so quickly!
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol, the invitation process seems to be based on nominations. For example, everytime someone nominates/invites you, you get bumped up the queue for an account until you're at the top and you get sent an invite by the team
- Ysabel Legaspi
Ysabel, ah I see, So lots of people must have nominated me. Darn, so a few users I have nominated could be waiting a looooong time. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
if that voting system is right I'm very annoyed. I asked for an invite months ago, now all the numpties are all over it I'm not going to get a look in. It's like I've been sat at the front of a shop queue and everyone's just walking right past me into the shop. I am British but I detest both queuing and waiting, so this is pretty tough going
- Toby Graham
Like most other people, yesterday I wasn't aware of that I «needed» a Google Wave invitation this badly...but now I am!!! quackofdawn at gmail dot com
- Quackofdawn
Please I want a invite :( jesi.nieves at gmail
- Jesi
from iPod
neternity@gmail.com and i promise to send a wave of 100,901 twitter followers to your doorstep each of whom will have averaged 1 tweet in their existence - this might not get me an invite but surely it will get some notice - must have that something special - my google wave invite special sauce ingredient is twitter juice PS Not to be construed as an offer, not valid in any of the 53 US states, do not try this at home, caution: contents are hot.
- Ross Button
Anyone have already a wave invite?. I'm a developers anxious to take a look at wave. jmiguel.rodriguez at gmail.com . Thank you very much in advanced!
- jmiguel rodriguez
trentono gmail com...thanks in advance, mysterious stranger...
- Trent Olson
lol at this point i gotta think that by the time an invite makes it this far down the list i may already be at the top of the official invite list but doesn't hurt to try right? marco [dot] nunez @ gmail - thanks!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I'm also trying. As Marco said, it doesn't hurt :) iamclem at gmail. thanks!
- Clément Simon
Hello, I would love to have a google wave invite too. ilteris@gmail.com thanks!
- ilteris
Oops! You said gmail address: marybaumcreative (at) gmail. Although I run marybaum@marybaum.com through gmail servers too.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from email
louisrbourque@gmail.com - an invite would be greatly appreciated, and I'll pass it on! Thanks
- Louis Bourque
from iPod
can you send me invite for google wave to i.igors (at) gmail (dot) com
- Igor Krstev
If any kind soul has an invite to spare, it would be gratefully received and shared on once GOOG get around to inviting me in. :-) The key piece of information belatedly being andy.bold@gmail.com kthxbai
- Andy Bold
Looking for one myself at alexscrivener (at) gmail (dot) com
- Alex Scrivener
I'd love an invite. I was sort of expecting to get one from Google, as I have been in all of their other betas, but to no avail :( carlton.prest@gmail.com
- Carlton Prest
Plesae send an invite! jwatson820@gmail.com
- Jonna Watson
damn, the pretty please guy will get one for sure, that steve guy @hotmail.com is likely last on the list - but we all will get one if that scobilizer guy notices that we are all here and asking and so cul cuz we are all on friendfeed - maybe if we twitter too it might help - hello google !!!!
- Ross Button
how do we know which ones are sent? I'm just doing my own thread.
- Raphael, Raphael
I've been too busy to get on FF the last few days....figures something important happening and I missed it! I knew about Google Wave but didn't know there would be a thread to post a request. In any case, better late than never, I'd love an invite at madeliene2007 at gmail.com. :)
- Bonnie Foster
I've been on Twitter all day trying to get one, I'd love it if my day can end by me finally getting an invitation :) I'll be sure to send some invites to other people in this thread! andryou@gmail.com
- andryou
re.renus@gmail.com somebody please send me a invitation... ^_^ : )
- Emad
wimmulder@gmail.com. Am really excited to try this out for a collaborative research project I'm working on. Hoping someone has an invite to spare!
- Wim Mulder
giuliocc@gmail.com . Keen to see if we can shake M$'s cage about messaging and collaboration.
- Giulio Campobassi
Would love an invite - jonathonc at gmail.com
- Jonathon
VitaArdiyana (at) gmail (dot) com, Thanks before Kol. I will delete my comment when i have my google wave account.
- Vimala Vita
Just digging into the comments now but let me begin by saying that you did an incredible job with this thread Kol, 473 (474 after I post) comments!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Google Wave : Could anyone invite me ? : jean.charles.blondeau[at]gmail.com Thanks
- Jean-Charles
System Messages Invite Status: 17559 invite requests in the system. 7 invites confirmed as received by requester. 199 invites claimed as sent from giver.
- oliv21
How does anyone know if someone has already been invited? You could go back and edit your comment when you receive an invitation, but since that takes days, it could be ages before you know.
- marziah
I've not even had a nomination, RK. At google dot com I'm suezanne , in the event anyone wants to make a nomination. I've asked before on friendfeed. It's kind of humiliating to beg.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
i have decided that if i do indeed get an invite, i will decline, forward my gmail account to windows live and put ie back as my default browser and i will bing it
- Ross Button
@Ross: why punish yourself for something you didn't do? :)
- François Dongier
I just want some google love; just like the rest of us do; but n,o they wave at us as they have their private, invite only party; thumb to nose, fingers a waving - that's the google wave; we need a tshirt
- Ross Button
al86shaw@gmail.com :) Not expecting anything, but thanks anyway!
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
Send to me plz ,,, mxina.com {a} gmail {dot} com
- Mohammad Sharifi
Has anyone received their invite? I haven't yet.
- Rodrigo
from email
I'd love an invite to Google Wave pls. non-geeky bf got one before me! that's just not cricket.. hehe :) icetigerza (at) gmail
- Kim
Hello, if there's any invite left, you'll make me more than happy ;-) matthieu.beauval [at] gmail [dot] com, thank you !
- matthieu beauval
If there are still invites left daryl@learnscape.com.au
- Daryl Hunt on FF
Of all the people posting here the chances of me getting an invite are slim but I'm still willing to try. If someone wants to shoot an invite over to jcallahan126@gmail.com I'd REALLY appreciate it.
- John
from iPhone
Aww Did I miss the Wave of invites? Come on Kol... Hook me up! :)
- Walt Ruppar
It looks like it, although you might be able to use the hyperlink on the front of the Wave homepage to request an invitation, if it's still available.
- Tyson Key
Google Wave Anybody? I needz one plz... walt {dot} ruppar {at} gmail [dot] com
- Walt Ruppar
from iPhone
I'll give this a try: j.linkola at gmail - anyone have invites left?
- Jussi Linkola
Anyone can provide a Google Wave invite? bmtrocks@gmail.com
- Brian
Hi guys I realy Waiting impatiently, but still have no invite... can anybody sent me invite please please simplisityzehra@gmail.com thanks in advance
- Zehra
firatdemirel at gmail.com just needs an invite for Gwave. Thanks.
- Fırat DEMİREL
Does anyone have an invite to share? Can you send it to v9y.rec at gmail.com please? Thanks.
- Vinay | विनय
Can somebody send an ivitation to terror@gmail.com . Thanks in advance.
- Yiğit
Please send an invitation to me at trivedi.knz@gmail.com. I got tired waiting.
- Kandarp Trivedi
I'll be glad to invite others on this thread once I get mine. Thanks in advance.. Keep the thread alive.
- Kandarp Trivedi
rodgerdb@gmail.com ha oh man am I late to this thread =( Here's to hoping!
- Rodger Ballard
really need one, would be so grateful thacker90184@gmail.com
- brandon
I want Google Wave invite too, please sent it to: ric4p5 {at} gmail [dot] com Thanks
- jose manuel
If anyone has invites, could I have one please? tekked - gmail.com
- TechKid
allanbesselink<at>gmail<dot>com ... please!
- Allan Besselink
I'll wager that some of the folks on this list have received their invite by now, or no longer want one - I have 16 invitations at this instant. It's probably easier for me if you DM.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
fifiquimbo(at)gmail(dot)com. I would love one, thanks!
- Fifi Quimbo
I have 8 invites to Google Wave, if someone is interested, please DM with e-mail address. Ciao, Andrea
- Andrea Romoli
Mozilla's Raindrop has been released http://labs.mozilla.com/raindro... - "Raindrop's mission: make it enjoyable to participate in conversations from people you care about, whether the conversations are in email, on twitter, a friend's blog or as part of a social networking site."
Zing! "We aren’t trying to invent new protocols or build new messaging systems, rather focusing on building a product that lets users get a handle on the systems we already use."
- Paul J. Davis
Interesting... but the download page is blank?
- Colby
Ah this message just showed up "Download Raindrop There is no official download yet. The Raindrop code is still under development but you can follow along via the code repository. Please see the Hacking page."
- Colby
How have they linked it with the flu shot?
- Colby
It seems like a legitimate news story based on what I have seen online but nothing that I have read brings it to 100% certainty that the flu shot was the cause but a highly educated conclusion based on past cases.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
The video is real, but they never told how it is related to the flu shot! Stuff like this might actually discourage people to get a flu shot :(
- Srikanth
As usual with TV news, they're long on drama and short on actual facts. Assuming that there is a linkage, however, the risk of death from flu is much higher than the risk of this side effect, and death tends to negatively impact your life and career plans, too.
- Glen Mistletoe
Unfortunately, my Athens does not extend to NPG content :-( "Can web 2.0 reboot clinical trials?" Nature Biotechnology 27, 895 - 902 (2009) doi:10.1038/nbt1009-895 http://www.nature.com/nbt...
This is the breast idea i've seen in a long time.
- Colby
Not funny if you are female and really have to deal with these health risks exacerbated by the demands and mores of modern society.. And maybe to put the ball in the men's court (excuse the pun) maybe wearing kilts-skirts is actually better for men's health and more natural.
- Karma Martell
I like the kilt remark Karma! Great and funny.
- bellegarde-webb
I didn't get any. I was nominated myself. It seems only those who got an original invitation got to nominate other people. They will probably give everybody a certain amount of invites in time, as they did back when Google Mail launched.
- Alexander Kruel
"We have a long list of people who have either signed up for an invitation to Google Wave, or who have been nominated by a friend to get a Google Wave account. Unfortunately, we aren't able to pass out invites as fast as the nomination list has grown, so we're not currently adding more people to our waiting list. As soon as we're confident that the system can accept more users, we will...
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- Alexander Kruel
Gotcha. I swear I signed up on the day they previewed it back in May but I haven't gotten an invite. Arg.
- Colby
Me too! I only got in due to a nomination...
- Alexander Kruel
Million Dollar Question: If you had to call it now. Is there: A) a particular community/site you're replacing Friendfeed with? If so, what is it? Or...B) nothing yet that comes close, and my plans are to...
I'm spending more time on FB... not that it's.. remotely the same.
- Alix Whitmire
Can I buy a vowel, because A is too upsetting.
- Micah Wittman
B... It has not felt quite the same since the FB buyout...
- Robert Freeze
B... I don't know!! :( Ride it out as far as I can, hope that Google Wave saves the day really soon (though I'm worried if Google Reader is any indication of what that will be like). I'm so worried!!
- Kamilah Gill
B and my plans are to keep hanging out here until further notice.
- Laura Norvig
B. I don't see a point in replacing Friendfeed. there is enough activity here to keep one going on for times to come... oh by the way what if Twitter becomes FriendFeed, in layout/functions?
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
Sardar, that would be perfect and amazing, but I doubt it would happen...
- Kamilah Gill
A-ish. Gotta be honest - the thing i liked most about Friendfeed is the tech community. My current project in SAlabs is building out a Friendfeed-like set of functionality for facilitating tech conversation.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
You know, I still don't get why everyone thinks this place is going to die. I get that it could, but I'll wait until FB/FF announce something like that before I start worrying about it. (BTW, self-fulfilling prophecies generally aren't so great.)
- Andrew C
B - my plans are to stay on FF as long as it's here in it's current unFacebook'ed state. As for alternatives, there is perhaps GReader but it doesn't come close. So let's hope the new OpenFF will eventually be FF's replacement. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
B - remain here and make friends. Websites may come and go, friends are forever. :)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
I liked the older version of friendfeed better, before the interface redesign, so if other site offered same interface with lots of people already in it, then I would be interested. From what I have seen, nothing comes close. The closest is socialmedian as alternative to friendfeed but it lacks the structure and flow as is found here.
- TrafficBug
B. While the community here continues to be so engaging, I don't feel the need to move on to anything else.
- Andrew Terry
B. Well I've just managed to get all my real friends using Friendfeed. I created a private room and now all my close friends from all round the world can banter it up. Facebook has the numbers but the tech is still poor. Anyone who watched the developers preview of Google Wave will know we're all just treading water till it comes out
- Toby Graham
Paul Buchheit declined to make any definitive statement about the future, but I think that's because geeks like to always be right, and forward-looking statements can be wrong. He did say that he thinks the chances of FriendFeed disappearing are lower post-acquisition, which to me means "don't worry about it." I don't have any post-FriendFeed plans. I like it here, and I'm staying.
- Bruce Lewis
Nothing even comes close yet. I'm staying here until they turn the lights off.
- David Cook
from fftogo
b - stay on ff as long as i enjoy staying here
- barbarars
No there would be nothing close - unless someone managed to build something very similar. If anyone knows of such a site - let me know.
- Alternating Reality Books
B - I agree with Andrew as well - This is a great community
- martha
B - Still a great community. Nothing has come close to replacing it yet
- Anthony Feint
B - and I'm staying put until everyone else leaves. Like most folks here, I have tons of accounts on other social networks and web services, and I maintain them to a degree, but FF is one of the only places I come back to regularly, with a high rate of frequency.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
B - Go down with the ship if it ever sinks. I'm sure other sites will replace this experience at some point but no need to worry now.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
B - I tried A. Facebook and A. Google Reader and they're both something else
- Jorge Escobar
B - My plans are to cut my self off from the social networking community when FF goes under.
- Alex Scrivener
B. Keeping my eyes open for a backup/archiving system (I know a few are out there), but most of the good content is aggregated from other places -- as time goes by, that becomes less and less true, as I've been uploading stuff directly to FF. I am hopeful that FB won't do something stupid though.
- Andy Bakun
I have actually been rethinking the way I interact online. That is, move away from the aggregation of content from various services and more toward the pushing of information from one network (a la Posterous).
- Cloud
B. We obviously need a decentralized way to share real time. Wave federation seems to fit in but it's not even available for all.
- Berk D. Demir
I think B but once Wave comes out there's a chance it may replace FF for me
- Wang Yip
Someone will need to create a front-end, of sorts, if we want Wave to replace FF. Ideally it's the best option but I don't believe it will be easy.
- Kol Tregaskes
Posterous seems to be moving in an interesting direction.
- Colby
B - Unless something wonderful comes up with a similar community of users, I'll just drop out when FF is gone. FB is for RL friends and that sort of use won't change probably.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
B but using A GReader a lot more and waiting for OpenFF - I have to say that Google Wave looks v promising though and have been trying it out
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
wow, so i'm the only person who used FF to replace something else? :P
- Joe Silence is not Santa
Well he didn't ask us what we used FF to replace. He asked us what we're replacing FF with, if at all. Otherwise I would've answered differently. :)
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
B. I'm pretty sure another FF like service will become huge in the next two years, the walled garden approach of FB has no future.
- Nik
A: Reddit, Google Reader (although I don't comment that much) and Twitter. I don't know why, but I'm not spending a lot of time here anymore.
- Alejandro
B - Everything has a life cycle but FF does just what I'm looking for now. Show me something new and I'll try it. I come here first for tech news daily.
- Dave
from BuddyFeed
B, but I'm starting to focus my time on fewer networks & I'm going too be very cautious about joining new ones for the time being.
- Michael Fidler
from BuddyFeed
Spending more time in Google Reader now. Is it me or Reader's comments/conversation isn't real time? Oh, I have Posterous account now. Just in case.
- jan geronimo
My time on FriendFeed has dropped dramatically although threes nothing that competes with it at the moment its not worth my time using a service if its going to disappear.
- Nicholas James
B. Staying with FriendFeed, at least for the time being. There are a couple of other semi interesting services out there, and I'm not talking Posterous, but until such time as they're supported by some slick iPhone clients there's no chance I'll be taking a closer look. FreshFeed has had a recent and very useful update (currently a complete bargain in appstore, go get) and hopefully...
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- JSLeFanu
I should really read the entirety of the first post before moving onto the comments. I thought everyone was moving to 4chan :(
- Matt Snoulten
making an effort to use facebook while waiting for friendfeed to get integrated
- Mike Chelen
I tried to replace the experience on Facebook and then got hooked on a silly farmgame there. So, somehow not spending as much time here anymore... The system of Facebook does have potential though. Not such a big surprise, since they replicated Friendfeed.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Tobias: it would be great if they can copy Friendfeed, for now the like & comment system is very different, posts don't get bumped to the top, and there is nothing in realtime except chat
- Mike Chelen
http://www.springerlink.com/content... Cutting-plane training of structural SVMs @ Springer Netherlands my mail: piotr.byzia at gmail, thank you! BTW, as of tomorrow I'm losing my access to paid journals due to graduation :), so I won't be able to help anymore :( Thanks to everyone who sent me PDFs during the last couple of months!
Wow, Colby, that's the same pdf... open access, it's a pity that only a fraction of paid papers is available like that... Björn, thank you for sending this. :)
- Piotr Byzia
@Colby. Well done for finding a self archived copy of this pdf. Out of interest, how did you manage to find this? My cap is tipped !! @Piotr, sorry to learn that you are losing your library card after graduation. You are not alone. "Get behind Open Access" http://www.arl.org/sparc...
- Graham Steel
Google Scholar is also a great place to start. I often do a title search in quotes.
- Joe
Really great links there DOrOth34. I was aware of both websites, but *coughs* hadn't explored the search option(s) before. Please please forgive. WOW, the latter threw up > 1600 OA full article level items relating to one paticular field of interest. Nice one.....
- Graham Steel
@Graham as Joe wrote, I also usually run things through google scholar which had archived the link to this one.
- Colby
from email
Sorry, me neither. But commenting will keep the post floating up the FF stream, in the hope that someone will find it who has access.
- Bill Hooker
sent (I think). a bit unsure on your email address
- Steve Koch
Thanks to Bill for checking and to Steve; yes I got it- in gmail you can tack on a +whatever so if spam bots takeover that address I can just change it to ace0cc+somethingelse@gmail.com and block the former. Off to read :)
- Colby
http://www.google.com/reader... I'm glad you asked this right now. I just realized that several people are following me and I didn't even know it. I hope it hasn't been this way for long!
- Michael Fidler
Just noticed that Reader now allows grouping of people you follow! Wondering: is Reader going to become a competitor (instead of complement) to FriendFeed?
- Chris Rogers
@rogersdc / Chris, Google Reader is obviously been trying to become more social, but I'd really like to see FF come out with a bookmarklet that makes sub'ing RSS feeds to FF easier/faster. Right now it's a manual process involving either a new Group/Room or Imaginary Friend. Should be 2 clicks tops.. Also see: http://friendfeed.com/alexsch...
- Alex Schleber
Here is mine : http://www.google.fr/reader.... I share (mainly on French sites and blogs) about libraries, literature and arts, human and social sciences, photography :-)
- Nadine Pestourie
LOL here we go again :o) http://www.google.com/reader... I share a lot of blogs and funny stuff that I read, it's neat how I can share and it gets posted all over by friendfeed.
- David Gross
http://www.google.com/reader... - I share items about productivity, gaming, movies, and misc. stuff from the Google "cool" via Recommendations feed. Thanks Kol for starting this thread because I've been trying to cut down on the number of feeds I subscribe to and instead just follow interesting people.
- Dusty Edenfield
Svartling: good point about adding people to groups. I noticed I couldn't comment on items that were shared by some users.
- Dusty Edenfield
I've (we) written a lot of more good tips on how to use Google Reader in Google Reader comments. It's too bad we don't have permalinks in Greader so we can share our notes and comments. Otherwise I could have posted a link here. Here are some on friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/svartli...
- Svartling
The conversation is really blowing up (in a good way) on Reader. The most important reminder currently is to set up groups and allow commenting. That is NOT on by default!
- Vince DeGeorge
Thank you all. I think I have subscribed you all now (except those feed in languages I don't understand) Here is mine again: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Svartling
I've started to follow a few of the people here but there's quite a few, so will take me a while :) - My currently fairly bare feed is: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Roy Herrod
There are a few entries here you might like to read to help you. This one: http://ff.im/6CkQj explains about adding people to groups to allow them to comment and why some don't stay in groups. In this one: http://ff.im/6F9pQ I suggest a way to track a large number of shared items using PostRank. This: http://ff.im/6Ci0P and this: http://ff.im/6AM35 has a few tips on using GReader as a lifestreaming service. And this: http://ff.im/6EMT1 gives a few examples of GReader bundles.
- Kol Tregaskes
Those of you above whom I already follow on FF/Twitter/etc., I've subscribed to your feeds. As for the rest of you: if you follow me on GReader, I'll follow you back.
- Dennis Jernberg
I'm sharing some pages now, including a few of my past blog entries.
- Dennis Jernberg
Because I have issues with data duplication, I have merged this list with the google reader shares room feeds. You can view the Google spreadsheet at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...
- Rob Diana
There are a bunch of shared feeds that I could not resolve the Google username for because they did not have a named profile set up.
- Rob Diana
tristanhambling, your link didn't work. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
It would be really handy to have all these shared feeds as an opml file. Has anyone added everyone? Care to export an opml of the shared feeds?
- Paul Jacobson
I'm http://www.google.com/reader... Not really comfortable with the custom URL though since it can only be your gmail username. Makes it really easy for spamspiders I think.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Tobias, possibly but not had any problems myself though Gmail has the best spam filters around so I probably not noticed. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... mostly webdev, photography news, music, world news which i get interested. plus half of them may be article in Japanese. sorry. :-p
- browneyes
http://www.google.com/reader... - OK I'm in. Late as always. Will post my thoughts, feedback and pleading requests for help over in Google Reader so please follow me over there. Eat your own dog food and all that.
- Andy C
MF/Kol = I live in Kingston on Thames. It's OK apart from the traffic (continually gridlocked) and the shops (girls just lurve them). Handy for getting into London both airports and out to the Thames Valley for work type things. Richmond Park and the river in walking distance is great too.
- Andy C
Andy, Richmond Park and the others around there are the appeal really. Good place to go photographing and cycling while being very close to London I think.
- Kol Tregaskes
Teddington (across the river from Kingston Upon Thames, is where I think I'd like to live. Just 'cos it's cheaper than everywhere else around it. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol many years ago, we made the mistake of asking an estate agent in Surbiton whether it was any cheaper than Kingston. She replied 'No - of course not. We are on the fast line to Waterloo' and looked at us as if we were dog excrement.
- Andy C
I've checked rental prices in the area several times over the last 2 years and Teddington is definitely cheaper. I'm not buying, no way I can afford that. ;-) All a pip-dream anyway, need a steady job and I've not had that for a while. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
anyone use google reader on windows mobile professional? I cant seem to get it to work and when I try to go to the mobile site it takes me to the regular site.
- David Gross
Nope, sorry can't help you there, David.
- Kol Tregaskes
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