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Dell's new Z: I am throwing away my Mac when this comes out: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...

June 18 from Robert Scoble - Comment - Like - Share

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I can't tell you how I got this photo and I can't tell you why I am dumping my Mac when this comes out but this is the first Dell that has me slobbering in a very long time. - Robert Scoble

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Really?? - Gerry Realtyman Bourgeois

Hey, T'row it ober here! - Gary Etie

Still Windoze-infected, right? - Bill L

Can you give us more details on the configuration and the size factor? - Amit Nangare

just like you threw away your Iphone for the Pre. - nesman89

Instead of throwing your Mac away, can I have it? - Victor Ganata

The Dell Z looks awesome - johnny2009

I'll buy your Mac....uh, you take checks, right? - Mike Lewis

problem with Dell computers, is they still run Windows. Unless you want to deal with Linux - Andrew Lombardi

I agree with John - Mike Brewer

Er, okay. Does it run OS X? - Grant Goodale

well good luck with that! :-) - teymur madjderey

Didn't you say something similar about the Nokia N97 a few months ago? - Beau Giles

You've got to tell me more than that for me to believe why you might throw your Mac away?? - Aaron Myers

Really - with the build quality they are renown for!! - Ian Lewis

If it runs windows 7 then at least there is some reason for this madness. Anything else and you've completely lost your mind! - Devlin Dunsmore

Amit: I can't explain why, sorry, but this will get a lot of attention and Apple will have to react to it. Why do you think Apple has been attacking Windows 7? - Robert Scoble

Looks like a "laptop" and it's "black". - thund3rbox

Yes, it looks sleek, but it's still a Dell. - Bob Young

Dude! You're getting a Dell! - Andrew Lombardi

From the keyboard, it looks like a 15.4" or 17" widescreen that's super thin. (keyboard is chiklet-style) - Eugene Hsu

You can't throw out your mac! You'll eventually be crawling back. - Matt Ruiz

Yes, I got excited by the Palm Pre but I don't think I said the Pre would get me to throw away my iPhone. Of course we don't know what Apple will do but this will make Apple guys at least raise their eyebrows. - Robert Scoble

Throwing away your Mac is a bad idea. - Louis Gray

May I suggest to sell The Original Scoble MacBook Pro on ebay and hand the money in for charity? - Ralf Rottmann

NokiaN97 does widescreen videos with new Qik, by the way. iPhone doesn't. - Robert Scoble

Wow it must be something big. Please keep us up with details when you're allowed to make them public. - Asgod Barrantes

Don't throw your Mac away!! Keep it as 'backup', you might need it ... ;) ;) - Ronald

Asgod: believe me Engadget will be all over this. - Robert Scoble

This was rolled out to selected laptop users 4-5 months ago, wasn't it? Lots of drooling, if I recall. But you should keep your Mac as a backup. And so far as "I can't tell you how I got this photo ..." is concerned, what's with the name tag on the fellow doing the Vana White? - Bob Young

Devilin, why would it not run Win7? - Christopher A Carr

Louis: I will give away my Mac instead of throwing it away. - Robert Scoble

i will take it robert :) - Allen Stern

Robert, how about donating it to JHTC (for auctioning) to help us launch our charitable arm? - Bill L

Looks kind of clunky, seams don't match, build quality doesn't look near the Mac so there must be something that's not obvious. - PXLated

I will fight Allen for it Robert - Jesse Stay

PXLated: Clunky? Really? - Christopher A Carr

BTW, that looks like the NYSE - sounds like you met a Dell rep on the floor? - Jesse Stay

It is the NYSE - Asgod Barrantes

Ya, in the pics with the black and gape-looking seams - PXLated

I'm a Mac and nothing Dell does could change that - Dean Kakridas

Hmmm..."throw away"...does that mean Dell's going eco-friendly like Apple? - Jesse Stay

Um, if you're going to throw it away I'll take your Mac!! - Mona Nomura

Looks real thin though - PXLated

Mona you have to fight Allen and I for it first - Jesse Stay

I'm thinking full solid state, very fast - Jesse Stay

Nooo... I wanted a Dell 15' with nice reso but no HD. Not avaliable in Europe. I had to buy a MacBook Pro. Received today. Nice but I loved my Latitude. - Jérôme Flipo

BTW, nice tattoo's Robert! When did you get those? - Dean Kakridas

And with that very light and low on heat - Jesse Stay

so what's the specs on it ? intel T9900, DDR3? - Khaled A

over at notebookreview there is a huge thread about it already http://bit.ly/pp83N - Ronald

touch screen? that doesn't seem mac-trash-worthy. flips around like a tablet, with touch screen? nah. super battery with built in wimax or 4G connectivity? maybe. - Chip Ramsey

Dean, per the nametag that's @rockmanusa, Robert's producer/photographer - Jesse Stay

WOW! - Holly Rae, FFer

I'm intrigued by the google map you have attached with it ... battery park city?! Sounds quite interesting indeed, but I won't be interested, unless it can polish my shoes, feed the cats, and wash itself every 3 hours :) Ohh I wouldn't mind if it has a proper multi-touch trackpad. - Shivanand Velmurugan

^^ :D ^^ - Ronald

found a page with more pictures http://www.pclaunches.com/noteboo... - Khaled A

PXlated: I think I beat Engadget with a photo. It is an early prototype. - Robert Scoble

mona vs. jesse vs. me = steel cage match for robert's laptop - Allen Stern

at photos: make,make plz !!! - Ronald

Allen: count me in if you want to upgrade to a steel cage, ladder match - Shivanand Velmurugan

I know, I was kidding :) - Dean Kakridas from email

i need a mac so i can make an iphone app for cc - unless someone wants to make one for me :) - Allen Stern

Allen: CC? Creative Commons? - Shivanand Velmurugan

Robert the suspense is killing me!!!!! - Chris Henderson

Other pics still don't turn me on - But, I like my Mac/OSX, have gotten great support at the Apple stores, there's more than just the box. - PXLated

cc = cloudcontacts my startup - Allen Stern

Asgod: I broke all sorts of rules to get this photo. Photography is expressly not allowed where I am. It is geek heaven though. - Robert Scoble

robert - you might want to crop out the person's name who is in the photo :) - Allen Stern

Well I need a mac for school and Robert, wow you're awesome I'm very impressed. - Asgod Barrantes

Robert: So how did we get a photograph then?! (good ol' don't give a crap about the rulez eh? :) ) A lot of hype, it better be seriously good :)\ - Shivanand Velmurugan

it was leaked a few days earlier on another site though :> - Khaled A

specs: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpos... - Brian Hill

Good luck with that. Whatever helps you get the job done efficiently is OK w/me. - barl0w

Allen I'm in - we'll do it when I'm out there in July. I warn you - I don't play by the rules though. - Jesse Stay

"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead" (Pulp Fiction) - Andrew Eglinton

jesse - i will use all the social networks against you! i think mona's finisher is the fail whale - Allen Stern

Allen, careful, I know the "Twitter Game" - Jesse Stay

Allen & Jesse: Blood, gore .. is what we are looking for (throw in the ladder, and ustream it! ) :) - Shivanand Velmurugan

And what about the Techcrunch Crunchpad? - Francine Hardaway

to be the twitter you gotta beat the twitter - Allen Stern

intel U9300 1.2GHz? that's not a very powerful cpu... what's your mac, scoble? an iBook? - Khaled A

Eh... - Internet's Tad from fftogo

but a 2 pounds 16" notebook? that's interesting ... - Khaled A

holly plant the Dell seed! thanks for the heads up.game changer? - Jeff Marmins

Hmm, a 16" that weighs about the same as my Lenovo s10 netbook? - Christopher A Carr

that's according the specs posted by Brian Hill: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpos... - Khaled A

Who's the bigger sucker here ... Scoble ... or those sucked in by this post - Don Strickland

are you serious? c'mon, it's a PC! The main component of any computer is not the hardware, it's SOFTWARE. - Konstantin

Don: it does a few things your Mac doesn't. - Robert Scoble

Konstantin: really? Why don't you use a Mac Classic then and why do all Mac fans slobbering when new hardware comes out? Finally you should try Windows 7 on your Mac. You might be surprised. I am running Windows 7 on my Mac. - Robert Scoble

Francine: I am buying Crunchpads for a different reason. - Robert Scoble

Can I just point out did a search for "scoble 'Palm Pre' 'throw away'" to see what you said back at CES... and Google already has the comments on this thread indexed? - Ken Sheppardson

Jeff: I think this Dell will help Microsoft poke Apple in the eye again. - Robert Scoble

I saw the specs, and it just doesn't *seem* that spectacular. Maybe it makes waffles and prints money... - Carlton Prest

Ken: Google is getting faster, huh? - Robert Scoble

so what will they call this new class of notebooks? under powered under 10" are netbooks. U9300 based 16" would be called .. hmm wafflebook - Khaled A

Robert: Yeah, it's not Track, but I suspect it's certainly getting close enough for 80%+ of the population. - Ken Sheppardson

Carlton: they have kept a few things secret. - Robert Scoble

... the 80%+ who haven't used Track, that is ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

As I expected. Do you have any idea as to when they'll officially announce this? - Carlton Prest

Carlton by when Microsoft ships Windows 7. - Robert Scoble

facial recognition - that's a strange rumor. - Chip Ramsey

I should expect Dell middle east to make a crappy keyboard print: http://twitpic.com/6o2rc redundancy fails - Khaled A

finally: it is a Dell... - Ronald

Nice, thanks for the heads up Robert. Don't mind the fanboy's calling you a heretic. ;) - Adi

Has me curious. I'm not going to be so bold as to claim in an Apple "fanboish" way that nothing can possibly beat Apple. - Angus Burton

19 hours of battery is impressive if true - Brian Hill

"I can't tell you how I got this photo" -- Perhaps by standing next to Rocky as he held one on the NYSE floor yesterday? :-) - Ken Sheppardson

100+ comments later... mission completed. You won't throw or give away your Mac for a Dell w/ Win 7 - Jonathan Brown

You'll hurt your shoulder carrying that thing around, but man, what a great screen!! - RobinDotNet

Looks like picture was taken at the New York Stock Exchange. Maybe it's a multi-touch screen? - Steve de Mena

Steve: all I can say is it has stuff Apple doesn't yet do. - Robert Scoble

Robin: I have a bag with wheels for my Mac so my shoulder is OK. The photo was taken tonight. - Robert Scoble

Microsoft Bing: We did not find any results for "tell you why I am dumping my Mac when this comes out but this is the first Dell" ~ giggle - Don Strickland

This is why I f--- with you, Scoble. You always keep me on point. I'll keep an eye out for this "Z" you're referring to. - © b e e n s w a n k

must have a oled display - Jim Posner

I'm guessing it loads the Building43 site 10% faster, or it has Building43 bookmarked out of the box. - Steve Wright

Im guessing touchscreen - Kashif Khan

I'm glad you have a wheelie bag, now you can buy it with impunity and wheel it through airports all over the world, feeling happy about your awesome laptop. :-) (How much does it weigh?) - RobinDotNet

@Robert "Steve: all I can say is it has stuff Apple doesn't yet do...." TBH, there has been a lot of things the Macbook line hasn't been up to par feature wise for a long time. This isn't nothing new. My 1yr old XPS has eSATA, "F/W", "ExpressCard", 10in1 MMC, Biometrics, HDMI, Blu Ray, 4USB and integrated 3G all of which would be 'show stoppers' if Apple announced them. So its all relative. - Adi

Adi, those features would become "amazing" and "new" were they announced by Apple -- much the same way that video is suddenly an amazing new feature of iPhones. - Christopher A Carr

Only two factory stickers, not bad! - Onar Vikingstad

"has stuff Apple doesn't yet do" ... hmmm ... when placed on a Microsoft Surface it transforms into a puck for Microsoft Surface Hockey, played by waving your hands at the built-in Natal controllers. - Don Strickland

@Christopher...touche. ;) - Adi

Say it ain't so! Looks way cool. - michelle lamar

Will it run Pro Tools. It seems as if I need to use it for digital editing of raw audio. - Mathew A. Koeneker

Mathew: I would imagine it would, but I don't have it to try that, so will have to wait to tell you definitively. - Robert Scoble

Thanks, Robert. Being out of the music & video biz since '97 has me playing catch up. The KDHX studios where I will be working are a mac house. - Mathew A. Koeneker

Since it looks like a shell.. I will assume its the touchscreen with MS Surface on Windows 7 :) - Tim Hoeck

http://www.engadget.com/2009... - Don Strickland

When does this come out Robert? - Amit Nangare

looks like old black macbook to me! nothing new at least not in image! whats so special? - matjeka

To back Robert up, I got to try this bad boy right after him. And I can agree, this will make me switch too (after 25 solid years of Mac OS) Holy crap, Dell must have a secret time machine in the basement if 1/2 of these "special" features are true. WOW WOW WOW, and price...WOW!!! - sean andersen

Robert, Honestly I am not really impressed by the picture, as some mentioned before it most likely is not Mac OS X, is it? And what about battery life, does it match the MBP 17 inch battery life time? - Peter Simoons

If this feels better to use than a mac, then it will do well. A shopping list of new features won't matter if it doesn't do the core things that make people love Macs. - Sam from twhirl

I don't believe you :) Let's revisit this thread when it comes out and see if you follow through - Bwana ☠

who's is it? I'll just ask them. - Mark Essel

So this is going to bring beleaguered Dell out of the doldrums? Apple did that, but I'll not hold my breath because of Dell's basic build-em-cheap philosophy. - Rick Cogley

there's claims it is sporting a Mobile Intel GMA 4500MHD, Series 4 for video.. if so, that's one giant missed opportunity! - alphaxion

touch screen would be great, there is a big need in netbooks because of the improvement of usable input area - Mike Chelen

ok, I'm also intrigued. I can't figure out what is so special about this new notebook. - timepilot

Robert: Can have your Mac when you're done with it? :) - John Fox

You'll be back. They all do. - Diego Barros 

Hmmm ... I am thinking Dell beat Crunchpad to market with a touchscreen running Win7... If so, Yay for Dell, way to go!!! I will definitely want a Z if so!! *Looks around for @RichardatDELL* :) - Susan Beebe

The way things are going my mom will never get her new computer. I keep telling her something better is just around the corner. - ChiliMac

^^ so true! - Ronald

that thing looks massive. but I bet you don't actually switch to it when the time comes. - felix

Yeah, do want to know what makes it so compelling over the Mac. - Karma Martell

I have a MacBook Pro, and wouldn't drop it for anything. - Geoff Peterson

Surely the OS is what's key? The hardware must be good but it can't make up for any deficiencies in the OS. - Mayuresh Walke

Isn't this just another one of the Adamo line? - JA Castillo

JA: nope. - Robert Scoble

I'm assuming it's windows 7 multi touch and gestural support. The surface code that's now part of windows 7... - mikepk

mikepk: there are more features than that that Apple doesn't yet have. Gotta wait, though, I promised not to leak. - Robert Scoble

Dont throw it away! Im sure there are plenty of people that would love to have your old mac! - James Hague

If it doesn't run OS X it's pointless. - Peter Kruit

Peter: it runs it, but you can't buy OSX legally for use on non Apple computers. I totally disagree with your thesis, though. I'm running Windows 7 right now on my Mac and it works VERY NICELY. - Robert Scoble

I'm sure Windows 7 is working nicely, but Windows just doesn't compare to OS X. Mind you, I've only been using OS X for a year now. Before that I was a Windows/DOS user. - Peter Kruit

Peter: again, I totally disagree. It's clear you haven't tried Windows 7 out on your Mac yet. There are many things in it that are nicer than Apple has. Especially the toolbar and especially Google Chrome. - Robert Scoble

I have tried Windows 7. It's the same registry and DLL hell that it's always been. - Peter Kruit

Agree with Scoble... Win7 has many things nicer than OSX. - Adnan

Peter: I haven't had a problem with DLL hell and the registry for years. I guess you still trying to run VB 2.0 apps? ;-) - Robert Scoble

1. Never put anything into the registery unless it will affect another part of the system. 2. DLL hell ended in Win98. WinXP/2000 added a way to solve all DLL problems with no rebooting, but the coders have been lazy/ignorant (see #1). - xero

hehe ;) - Peter Kruit

I'm a poor geek on a fixed income and the only thing I ever wanted in the whole wide world is a Macbook Pro. :) - jcunwired

Still a Dell though ;) - Peter Kruit

Yes, case in point- and that's a deal breaker for just about any Mac user. - Dean Kakridas from email

I switched to Macs 3 years ago but I have to say Windows 7 will make me rethink that decision. It is much more than a "Vista Service Pack". - Steve de Mena

My husband has a Dell laptop and it's really nice, so I am definitely gonna check the Z out... - Susan Beebe

Peter: It is possible to install MAC OSX on your Dell thanks to the OSx86 Project: http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki... Although it may not be entirely legal this is still going to happen and Apple should roll with it and embrace the hacker culture. If this Dell can run Boot Camp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...), and give users the option of running either Mac or Vista that would be awesome! - Garin Kilpatrick

Garin: that's possibly the ultimate manifestation of "lipstick on a pig"! - Dean Kakridas from email

Dean: No way, Sarah Palin is the ultimate lipstick pig and Mac OSX on a Dell is cool! - Garin Kilpatrick

Garin: that she is and might be the ultimate candidate for a Dell actually. - Dean Kakridas from email

Is there some new synchronization feature using Microsoft's Mesh technology or something? Win7 is suppose to have some Mesh tech built-in. - Jeff Weber

Dean: Haha! Jeff: Mesh is probably windows only syncing, but I have not investigated. I use http://www.getdropbox.com/ for syncing my files between my PC and Mac, and it works great! - Garin Kilpatrick

interesting! Windows 7 indeed rocks... and yes - i own macs and pcs - andy brudtkuhl

Damn hype and secrets are eating my brains clock cycles. Raises fist at Robert ;) - Mark Essel

I hope you won't need to call Tech Support for it. - Head Ov Metal

Doesn't look all that impressive to me. It's a Dell with Vista. Whoopty-do. *curmudgeon* - Hip-Hop in da House

Jason: it doesn't have Vista. Thanks for playing. - Robert Scoble

any idea if this is a joint effort with the alienware talent they acquired? - Trey Philips

Even so, it's a Dell with Windows. If it's touchscreen, great. Facial recognition? Bleh. Unless it runs on cold fusion and can predict the future, it's still just a Dell with Windows. That said, I love W7. But I love Mac OS X much more. - Hip-Hop in da House

Jason: let's talk after you see it. You might still be a Mac fan but you will at least pause after you see the secret stuff this does. - Robert Scoble

I remember when Apple's PowerBooks had that rubbery/leathery black finish. Dell's bringing the PowerBook-y back, evidentally. - Wade Dorrell

Fair enough. I believe you saw some things that really were impressive, so I suppose I can withhold judgement. I'm just naturally skeptical of "this is a Mac killer" or "this is an iPod killer" comments, since so many have tried and ultimately failed. - Hip-Hop in da House

Jason: You are right on. And furthermore, many have not even really "tried". Nothing out there that claims to even compete with Apple products have put close to the level of time, resource, and dollar investment in design and software that Apple has. Anyone who has been in the tech industry for the past 10 years now knows that there's Apple and then a bunch of pretenders and bad imitators. - Dean Kakridas from email

That's like saying I am throwing away my Mercedes for the new Chrysler. You still get Dell support and service which has forced me to find new vendors. Wish windows server products ran on os x server. Then we could go all mac hardware. - Dan Douglass from Nambu

You're joking, right? - Steve Council

I've never had a single problem with Dell support. Apple's on the other hand is useless. 10 working day repair time for a machine, compared to next business from Dell. Had to repair a failing disk ourselves because Apple wouldn't replace it, if tech tools said it was bad, 'tech tools isn't any good', and when disk utility said it was bad, 'tech tools is more accurate'. Wouldn't put anything important on Apple hardware or support. - Russ

Is this the laptop you saw? http://content.dell.com/us... - Robert

No, Robert, it's this - http://www.engadget.com/2009... - Ken Sheppardson

But I am the Z-man.. this is my brand... http://www.zoliblog.com/2007... I'll fight for it unless Dell wants to corrupt me by sending a Z-thingie :-) - Zoli Erdos

I'll throw my Mac out for this ... when it's running OS X. C'mon Dell & Jobs! Stop competing and own the whole market! :) - Robert J Taylor

I've been dreaming of a laptop that wirelessly charges for years. Although they need to get it like WiFi so it don't have to sit on a "dock"... - Jon

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June 5 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Really great post and nice slideshow in there too! - Maren Hogan from Bookmarklet

Just checked it out...thanks for sharing. - Geoff Peterson

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Does anyone visit Digg anymore? I rarely do now that I have Twitter. What's more valuable to you a "digg" or an "RT?"

May 30 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

I never got into Digg. Sharing through Twitter and FriendFeed is far more satisfying and socially rewarding. - Martin Bryant

I hear ya. I think that site will always have a place out online, but think it peaked awhile back. I tried to use it, but it seemed like an old boys network, or for people who knew how to rig the game and get more "diggs." - Geoff Peterson

Robert Scoble

I thought friendfeed would be the biggest threat to Twitter but I now see it's Seesmic Desktop. Come here and we'll discover why:

May 23 - Comment - Like - Share

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1. It has list management like friendfeed has. Twitter doesn't. - Robert Scoble

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2. It lets you display both Facebook and Twitter messages. - Robert Scoble

3. It lets you search both Facebook and Twitter messages. - Robert Scoble

4. It displays them all better than Twitter does. - Robert Scoble

5. Friendfeed Support in the works. - Jimminy

6. It lets you comment on Facebook postings - Lee Herman

it sucks all the memory out of my machine. performance suffers. I want to like it. I don't. - Karoli

5. Seesmic desktop (and TweetDeck, which really does most of the same stuff that Seesmic Desktop does) does DM's better than Twitter or Facebook do. - Robert Scoble

Are you arguing that a 3rd party twitter application is a threat to twitter? - Frankie Warren

Karoli: I don't care. I run it on its own machine. It can suck all the memory it wants! - Robert Scoble

Frankie: I can see a case for that, yes. - Robert Scoble

It makes it easy to mark spammers. - Jimminy

6. What happens when you add all your data into Seesmic Desktop and Twitter is down? Oh, move over to Seesmic's own service! - Robert Scoble

Robert, I don't have that luxury. Plus, it's still a client. How can it threaten Twitter when it needs twitter.? - Karoli

6B: Twinkle on iPhone already does exactly that. Tweetie has 200,000 plus members who DO NOT NEED TWITTER ANYMORE!!! Update I origionally said Tweetie but it is Twinkle that has its own database. Sorry. - Robert Scoble

Karoli: It isn't exclusive to Twitter. - Jimminy

A twitter client threatens the existence of twitter?! - Joshua Lee

Karoli: look at Twinkle. They show the way. They have 200,000 people who are on their own service now, even though most of them think they are only on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Only thing that is a threat to Twitter, is Twitter. - Fake Elmo

I use tweetie. They still rely on twitter's firehose. - Karoli

Including myself... haha care to elaborate Robert about tweetie - Frankie Warren

Karoli: wrong. I was just at their headquarters and Tweetie has its own database and can send messages EVEN WHEN TWITTER IS DOWN!!! - Robert Scoble

Karoli: Tweetie has two databases for each member. One for Twitter. One for its own back end. - Robert Scoble

robert, to everyone on my twitter lists, including those NOT using tweetie? - Karoli

Karoli: no, not to everyone. Right. - Robert Scoble

I really *really* wish they would fix it so we can resize the main display panel .. it is really irritating to see it "squished" while the other panels are resizable - Steven Hodson

Karoli: but what happens when all your friends are on Tweetie or Seesmic Desktop? Will you care anymore? - Robert Scoble

I agree with joshua, these are clients, they don't live without the parent service. I don't see how seesmic desktop threatens twitter. - Nitin Gupta

Stop exposing the secrets of us Twitter developers Robert - you're ruining the plan! - Jesse Stay

Jesse: sorry. When you all pay me something I'll shut up. :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert, that's my point. There is interdependence here. All my friends will not be on one or the other. Blackberry users will use Twitterberry. Twittelator is a player here too. I couldn't give a rip about Facebook -- it's one of those necessary evils i have to have but hate. - Karoli

Robert: Does Seesmic do the same thing as Tweetie in terms of redundancy? - Frankie Warren

Nitin: if I got everyone in the world to use Seesmic Desktop why will we need Twitter? Not to mention, why will you pay for "pro" version of Twitter or look at any of its advertising? - Robert Scoble

Interesting. I said the same thing about tweetie desktop and friendfeed - Christian Anderson

AIR apps are a mess, but from an HCI point of view, and from a technical point of view. Native apps please. Tweetie is wonderful. - Jason Wehmhoener

Oooh - I can buy Robert out? ;-) More to my plan for world domination... - Jesse Stay

Jason... yes, native apps, OR web apps. - LogEx

You're not going to make everyone use Seesmic Desktop, you'll pry Nambu from my cold dead fingers. - Joshua Lee

Karoli: I think it's funny you write off Facebook. Looking at the two streams side by side Facebook's is a lot better. There are far better quality people on Facebook in my account than there are on Twitter for the most part. Plus on Facebook there are 225 million. On Twitter? 30 million. - Robert Scoble

You could twitpay Robert a buck to buy his silence. - Louis Gray

Robert, your enthusiasm is infectious, but the hyperbole is still a little on the high side...I think Tweetie is an excellent app. I like Loic and Seesmic desktop but won't use it. I use Tweetie for my desktop app now, and it still needs some tweaking. - Karoli

Robert, I don't write it off. I just hate it. - Karoli

Joshua: what if Nambu, Seesmic Desktop, Tweetie, and TweetDeck made their own database? - Robert Scoble

For me, in terms of signal, FriendFeed trumps Facebook which trumps Twitter. - Louis Gray

Sounds more like someone doesn't like twitter very much. - Mac Sharp

I agree with Jason. AIR apps look so unnatural. Usability is nil - Bogdan Costea

The first thing I would do to Facebook is nuke the frackin' IQ app. - Karoli

Friendfeed is excellent in a browser, but Twitter is awful on the web. Twitter really needs Tweetie. - Jason Wehmhoener

Karoli: hyperbole is what gets people to engage and think differently. - Robert Scoble

I don't suppose Seesmic's secret plan might happen to involve an open alternative to Twitter on the back end, would it? If it's a threat to Twitter in that it allows people to use Twitter, Facebook, or FriendFeed interchangeably as a back end protocol...sure... yeah... I can see that. If the idea is Seesmic could swap out their own network? Bah. Don't buy it. - Ken Sheppardson

Robert, as long as we're clear on the motive, I'm good. - Karoli

Come on...no. Tweetdeck is so much better... - Ryo / Fuck Facebook

But after all,it is just a client for Twitter and Facebook. - Steve Chou from IM

Tweetie is practically the only reason I even feel bad about leaving Twitter - James Poling

for Windows users bDule is looking to be a serious contender .. still needs work but like Seesmic Desktop it's an alpha - Steven Hodson

Ryo: have you tried the new Seesmic? I like it as much as Tweetdeck at minimum. - Robert Scoble

I have moved from TweetDeck to Seesmic Desktop. I am here on FriendFeed, just b/c you invited me to come discuss :) Also, did anyone using SDT notice that you can set up numerous active search columns and you don't hit API limits. thinking that TD used API count for everything from Profile view to search columns? Don't quote me, I'm drinking. LOL. - Zaneology

Zane: heheh! - Robert Scoble

Louis, done - Robert, $1 your way via Twitpay and Amazon Payments ;-) - Jesse Stay

7. It let's you give up all your system resources in a single bound. - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

James: there's a new version of Tweetie coming. - Robert Scoble

i learn so much from being on friendfeed and reading all these brilliant threads! thank u scoble! - Jason Pollock

I think it's funny how people are writing Seesmic Desktop off as just a Twitter client. It's set up to be so much more all you have to do is look at everything Twhirl had built into it. Freindfeed, Laconi.ca, Seesmic, Twitter, and Identi.ca. It wouldn't be to hard to create a redundant system for it using Laconi.ca. - Jimminy

James: and the real battle will be over search. Imagine what Seesmic Desktop can do with comparative searches between Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

Rahsheen ++++ - Karoli

Has anyone tried PeopleBrowsr ? - Zaneology

YES LOVE SEESMIC DESKTOP! B U T ...... it does take a WHOPPING amount of memory for such a small app... at present, I have a dual core 4gb RAM PC... and Seesmic desktop is taking: 98,456k ... actually more than OUTLOOK and EXPRESSION WEB! so... it is good, but maybe this is an Adobe AIR thing of course rather than Seesmic... hey lets face it, Adobe hardly have compact low memory code do they? like the idea.. but because of the memory, cannot justify using it. - David Sheardown

James: exactly. Zane I like PeopleBrowsr too. - Robert Scoble

i still think that all this talk of the next thing that everyone will move to is a bit premature... twitter will continue to dominate for some time - Jason Pollock

Scoble: are you inferring that it will support friendfeed? - James Poling

But if twitter is down,those clients can do nothing - Steve Chou

James: Loic says that friendfeed support is coming to Seesmic Desktop. I'll keep bugging him until he does it anyway. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I can't agree more. I'm still using Twhirl for it's filter feature. I can filter my stream so nicely with it to extract data I want. - Jimminy

the general public is still getting used to twitter.. us geeks can talk about the next thing until we're blue in the face but its going to be all about twitter for a while and I think we all know it:) - Jason Pollock

Jason: don't be so sure. Remember a few years ago MySpace was on top of the world. Twitter will probably pass MySpace next year. - Robert Scoble

To get back to your thesis, the only thing that can kill Twitter is Twitter. - Christian Anderson

Robert, yes. and it lacks of some features I need, and Tweetdeck is more logical to me in terms of GUI. - Ryo / Fuck Facebook

A client is redundant if the service(s) no longer exist! That is like a "chicken or the egg" discussion. - Allan Besselink

Robert: Told him to make a better user interface by the way,I still don't like Seesmic too much. - Steve Chou

Robert: I can't wait to see how Loic integrates it into SD. It's much more complicated to fit into that platform than Twhirl's. - Jimminy

Robert: i agree that it will be a few years tho.. and by the time twitter is on the decline who knows what will be out by then! - Jason Pollock

Jason: the general public is going to start seeing that search is very important for them to find people talking about things they care about. I can see a world where Seesmic's search will be better than even friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

I tried seesmic desktop for a view minutes but it was so not intuitive that I quit trying it. - rick

Loic ignores serious usability issues. I'm not optimistic for him. - Jason Wehmhoener

Twitter is indeed becoming more popular, I saw a feature on network news about it. If something like twitter is noticed by mainstream media, it's already passed the threshold of being not just for geeks long ago. - Joshua Lee

Jason: Seesmic Desktop is much more usable than it used to be. - Robert Scoble

I just installed the latest version - Jason Wehmhoener

same mess - Jason Wehmhoener

Lets say all the twitter clients work together to build a common database in laconi.ca.. Will we still need twitter? - Varun "Maverick" Pitale

PeopleBrowsr seems quite unintuitive to me. - Chuck Baggett

robert: i agree that real-time search is the the wave of the future and it is the reason that twitter is so dominant right now... too bad the twitter search is always down.. lol.. im definitely going to download the new seesmic right now tho!:) - Jason Pollock

I'm not sure why adobe air twitter apps are so popular, native apps are much more usable and use less resources. - Joshua Lee

Robert: track is the key. - Karoli

Robert, don't all these sources just scream out for common interface pipes? Isn't that the key? Seems like we'll see more and more Tweetdecks, Seesmics, FF, FB Thwirls and Tweeties, all of which will have their pluses, but they all gotta' pass data and interact, like multiple networking protocols going thru a router...right? - Michael Metz

Twitter has a history of killing it's most popular features. How long until they kill real-time search? - Christian Anderson

Karoli: track is coming. - Robert Scoble

If I hear "track" one more time I'm going to scream - Jesse Stay

Christian: they won't kill realtime search. It's the only way they have of monitising twitter. - Joshua Lee

/me passes Jesse some Valium - Steven Hodson

I have track - it's called TweetBeep - Jesse Stay

Christian: I think they already did ;) try searching for something you've said recently. - Frankie Warren

Jesse: track, track TRACK - Karoli

Karoli can I twitpay you a dollar as well? - Jesse Stay

Christian: Frankie is right. Twitter's search is horrid. - Robert Scoble

Seesmic Desktop is getting more friendly on system resources with each build - now it will run for days with the very small increase in memory over time - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Twitter is technically mediocre in general, it proves that if you have a good concept, the technical execution is secondary. Unfortunately. - Joshua Lee

Jesse, sure. :) - Karoli

I seriously doubt that Seesmic Desktop is going to kill Twitter. Besides the people talking on here now, how many people even know what Adobe AIR is? Or what Seesmic is? Look how slow people were to find out about Twitter. I am pulling for FriendFeed:) - Shawn Hickman

I still am a little lost... what do these companies gain by building their own phantom networks behind twitter? It's not like they can just flip the switch off on twitter and expect to keep their users. As it stands, twitter is the only thing that links all these different clients. - Frankie Warren

I love Friendfeed, but i admit...i do not like the name. :) - Karoli

I actually just switched to it today. Though I wish they would do some interface tweaks, but I'm sure they will over time. Able to move the tweetbox around, and be able to take the menu on the right and make it tabs on the top. Just simplify it a bit. - Dean Clark

Joshua: the most important thing about social networks is "are the people I want to follow on it?" Nothing else really matters that much. But once they are, watch the tide move. - Robert Scoble

Shawn: I agree with you, I tried to tell my sister, who just joined twitter, to use a client. She emailed me back like I was some kind of geek! (Well, I am.) - Joshua Lee

our goal isn't to "kill" Twitter with Seesmic Desktop - but rather to allow you to read/use Twitter along side other sources - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Twitter is getting easier and easier by the day to compete with - look at us here on FriendFeed. We're not talking about it on Twitter. - Jesse Stay

Search is pretty broken right now. when they have trouble scaling, they just kill off whatever functionality is holding them up. Twitter may just become email at some point in the near future. - Christian Anderson

Web Apps are the future, downloading will become a thing of the past - Shawn Hickman

Christian, e-mail is more reliable than Twitter - please no - Jesse Stay

The big thing slowing down FriendFeed integration is their own API (note: that's my personal opinion and not my bosses :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Frankie, I can see some real advantages to building a phantom network behind Twitter. Starting with not having to rely on Twitter and the somewhat arrogant heads of Twitter who do not give a rip about their users. - Karoli

Mike: actually the friendfeed team itself told me that. They know they need to simplify the API. I wonder when we'll see that? - Robert Scoble

Mike, from what I've seen FriendFeed's API is actually more advanced than Twitter's. It's just missing one or two crucial methods. - Jesse Stay

Christian: Yes, Twitter search is dead. Currently hours missing off the top and after 18 days everything disappears. It's a horrible situation for them. - Jimminy

robert: hopefully very soon - there is a lot of movement to happen when that appears - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I can't tell Twitter to only give me certain pieces of data from a user's profile, for instance. I can do that with FriendFeed. They're much more prepared for API scalability than Twitter is, even now. - Jesse Stay

Mike: what do you do at Seesmic? - Robert Scoble

robert: ops, messaging (xmpp), infrastructure - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Mike: awesome. I can't wait until you have friendfeed. That will seal the deal for you guys. Then it's just going to be a race to see who builds the best search display. - Robert Scoble

robert: (again my personal opinion on SD - I'm a user like you all in this regard) I agree, it's the ability to see and manipulate the various streams that is killer, so not having FF is the pink elephant in the room - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

mentions of 'compete'/'kill' in certain contexts in the comments here sounds kind of petty, encouraging some backwards cut-throat sadomasichism. web 2.0's focus on social networks has facets of co-existence and is mutually beneficial in complementing services. everybody is not necessarily out to kill each other, imo. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Karoli... they would still have to rely on twitter right? Things will get crazy confusing if the applications cant talk to each other. Imagine if verizon phones couldnt call cingular phones and you had to worry about who had what handset... thats where theres a problem with having a Seesmic Network, a Tweetie network etc. EDIT: woah i just said cingular haha - Frankie Warren

blackfeathers: whenever you see me use the word "kill" it means to take over the momentum. - Robert Scoble

Yes, Twitter is broken. We were all here a year ago when Twitter's uptime was like 50%. Still, we stayed. Why? Because the people we wanted t follow were there. And people like Jesse were buuling kick ass sticky apps. I don't see that changing. - Christian Anderson

Being able to use the local twitter search to see tweets within however many miles of a location would be nice *hint* *hint* *hint* That seems to be a part of twitter search many air apps still don't support. - Dean Clark

Christian: me neither. Although there's a new usage model that is in play that Twitter has not locked up. Especially around search and zeitgeist display. - Robert Scoble

Christian - thanks for the compliment. Not sure what you mean by sticky though. - Jesse Stay

Jesse: once you start using SocialToo you can't stop. - Robert Scoble

Dean: Local search would be the shit. It really needs to be implemented - Shawn Hickman

Let's make a rule right now. Kill = lose momentum leader status. That is what we mean when we say "kill" - Christian Anderson

Jesse: that's sticky. I call Facebook "velcro" because it has so much sticking power and lots of little hooks that lock you in. - Robert Scoble

@Mike Taylor .. can we *please* be able to resize the main display panel .. PLEASE - Steven Hodson

I thought FriendFeed was kind of meh, I didn't realize it had this realtime comment feature. I'll have to use it more often. - Joshua Lee

Robert: Unless you're me. I cannot abide all those little sticky velcro stupid things. - Karoli

Joshua: there's a lot of things in friendfeed that lots of Twitterers have no clue about. - Robert Scoble

Ah - thanks again then Christian - that's quite a compliment! We won't be supporting just Twitter for long though, although if Twitter keeps breaking it keeps giving us new things to do to fix it. :-( - Jesse Stay

Steven: trust me, I have my own list of UI issues that I remind the SD devs of weekly ;) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Karoli: oh, really? So if someone tags you in a photo on Facebook you don't look? - Robert Scoble

Not that I underestimate FB. I don't. It's why I have a presence there. I just HATE. IT. - Karoli

@Mike Taylor .. well at least I know I'm not alone then :) - Steven Hodson

Robert, no...I'm the chick behind the camera - Karoli

I just don't believe in support applications that are unnecessarily hogs as far as memory goes. Yes AIR apps tend to be on the larger size, but look at DestroyTwitter. John Hallman manages to get his AIR client to consume less than 70MB of memory. - Alex Knight

Karoli: you're a better man than I am then. :-) - Robert Scoble

Steven: also, if you twitter to @seesmic - our customer team tracks all of the suggestions and gets them to the UI Devs - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Mike: you should open a friendfeed room, too. It's even better than Twittering @seesmic. - Robert Scoble

Mike: I have a suggestion, make it look more native on OS X. We Mac users are interface consistency geeks. - Joshua Lee

Alex - one of the things that bit all of the Air devs in the ass recently was the memory leak caused by the xml parser IIRC - now that was a fun one - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

have not try the seesmic desktop... They are the best if they manage to serve local context too.. (Twitter & Friendfeed, not the 3rd party) - Pico Seno

They just did. The Mac buttons are now in their standard place on top of the window left. - Robin Good

Joshua - they are already doing that in small increments - notice the window chrome items changes recently - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I'll have to take another look, especially if you add friendfeed. - Joshua Lee

Robert - If our customer support guy hasn't already I will make sure he does - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I'm a TweetDeck fan, despite the memory suck on my computer. Tweetie is nice on the iPhone, like new Twitterrific better. Seesmic desktop and Tweetie desktop are just OK. - Geoff Peterson

Robert, love your velcro example - thanks for the clarification - Jesse Stay

Mike: cool, I just added you to my secret group for discussing the 2010web. - Robert Scoble

robert: wow - thanks - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Wild 164 comments in 32 minutes. I guess I touched a nerve. - Robert Scoble

You bet, Jesse. You and your app building Ilk have played a huge part in making Twitter what it is today. - Christian Anderson

Robert: either that or you trolled a bit, in a positive way. ;-) - Joshua Lee

Scoble: at the risk of sounding presumptuous can I join in on that 2010web conversation? - James Poling

Joshua: I was mostly trolling Loic who hasn't shown up yet, which makes it even funnier. - Robert Scoble

lol secret group... you know how to work this stuff ;) - Frankie Warren

Robert - that's why i popped in - I know he is doing some family stuff so he's offline right now - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Frankie and Joshua: soon, soon! - Robert Scoble

Frankie: it has to be an elite group in order for 2010web to become a buzzword, from clique to chic. It's the new pardigm. ;-) - Joshua Lee

Mike, I hear a blank AIR app sucks up 20MB. If that's true Adobe has some work to do. - Alex Knight

Joshua: I hated the name "Web 2.0" and am trying to head off the next thing being called "Web 3.0." - Robert Scoble

Alex - yep - your preaching to the choir on that one :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Yeah, we don't need x.0 - definitely. - Joshua Lee

2010web .. hmmmm - Steven Hodson

Mike: thanks for filling in for Loic. His ears must be burning, or will be soon. - Robert Scoble

i like it (2010 web) just because of the Arthur C Clarke memories it brings up - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert 2010web is too soon you should have gone with 2013web, just past the apocalypse. - Jimminy

2010web sounds interesting, but it limits the buzzword for one year. - Joshua Lee

Getting to the topic at hand, how is a Twitter client a threat to Twitter? - Alex Knight

hey lets start a 2011 web secret place:) - Michael Metz

yes thanks Mike and if you open a Friendfeed room add me in please - Steven Hodson

James: I disagree. Most businesses have sites that look like 1994 so 2010 will be very useable for a long time. - Robert Scoble

good point Robert - Steven Hodson

Plus, I always hated the version numbers because the Web doesn't have a version. it's more fashion, like cars. - Robert Scoble

Well im late (in the half hr this has been posted), but i will say that which ever client has the most interesting and frequent updates will prevail, so this debate could go on and on - Chris Nwakalo

And it upgrades constantly. - Robert Scoble

Alex: because these clients secretly piggyback and make their own redundant networks that some think will be able to free the clients of their dependency on twitter. (did i get that right? ;)) - Frankie Warren

Nambu updates fairly frequently. :-) - Joshua Lee

Hey, Robert - it's Yama - I'll be starting a friendfeed room in a bit, but loving the stream here - jyamasaki

I'm trying to get businesses to see that if they are using the 1994 web they'll look pretty lame if their competitors are using the 2010 one. - Robert Scoble

yes. Real-time web might be akin to cold fusion. Guesing vertical and local are the next waves on the web. - Christian Anderson

Anyway, that's all off topic, back to Seesmic and TweetDeck and Tweetie and all the rest. If they all worked together they could totally take away Twitter's air supply. - Robert Scoble

Twitter is definitely on the cusp of something massive. I'm afraid their infrastructure will quickly crumble though. They haven't even figured out a way to make money yet. - Alex Knight

i kind of agree w/ james fuller. there's something too gimmicky w/ all the symmetric number schemes up to 12-12-12 - just for the sake of removing oneself from it, 2013 makes sense to me as a new starting point. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

I find it interesting that many people are willing to pay or donate to developers making Twitter clients. No one donates to Twitter heh. - Alex Knight

blackfeathers: if you are appealing to early adopters and developers you are probably right. I'm trying to appeal to normal business people. They understand that the 2010 automobiles are just now shipping (my 2010 Prius should be here next week) and so if they want to get a modern web site they will understand that they need 2010web technologies. 2013 is too esoteric and future thinking for normal people. - Robert Scoble

Considering how long from the infamous O'Reilly web 2.0 conference to it becoming a popular buzzword web 2.0 became, maybe 2010 is a bit too soon in the future. I'm not sure why I'm trying to help with this buzzword though, considering how much I hate them. :-) - Joshua Lee

Robert: How would the clients make it clear what networks you're talking to and who actually is able to see your content? For example, If Joe is Twitter+Seesmic and I'm Twitter+Tweetie.... when twitter goes down I can no longer speak to joe... - Frankie Warren

Alex: that's because Twitter treats us like crap and has $30 million in the bank. - Robert Scoble

Loic is well positioned to win because he has an honest to God team working on this. They got in early and they've kept a break-neck innovation pace. - Christian Anderson

Twitter is a platform, Friendfeed and Tweetdeck are apps. Well , Twitter does have a native app, but it sucks big time. I think it's a matter of months that the mainstream twitter users will realize that and there will be a huge explosion in twitter apps usage. - Kirill Bolgarov

Frankie - that's a routing-around-failure problem that is keeping me up at night to be honest - when I think of what will be needed to do that - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Ok, I have to go to bed. One last though before I go, one of the reasons Seesmic Desktop is huge is because it pulls your virtual social life back into one location that can exist on you desktop, and makes it easy to manage from it's interface. - Jimminy

its no threat at all - as twitter knows perfectly well, the Platform is everything! Seesmic isn't the platform and never can be as its desktop based - Anthony Feint

Yeh, that was abit offtopic - Kirill Bolgarov

Frankie: in Seesmic Desktop I can tell which Window is showing me Facebook and which one is showing me Twitter. Why couldn't I be shown that I can have more features with other people who are on Seesmic Desktop? - Robert Scoble

Oh suuure Scoble, get me on Friend Feed and already you've declared it passe? - Brett Schulte

Robert - They should spend the $29 million on their infrastructure and leave the last million to pay salaries :P - Alex Knight

Robert, is there a way to do a date range search in FF? - Gary Gannon

Brett: heheh. There's a method to my madness. When I started getting into friendfeed Twitter took off. So, I figured I better find the next big thing so friendfeed could take off. Seesmic Desktop is it! - Robert Scoble

Alex: I hear the team already took a lot off the table. - Robert Scoble

Alex: that's why the management isn't in a big hurry to sell Twitter. They already have "FU money." - Robert Scoble

Gogii is the next Twitter according to @drew... I like it. - Brett Schulte

I still don't think an app could be the next big thing,after all platform rules. - Steve Chou

Brett: hmmm. Why? - Robert Scoble

Mike: do you see like Robert in that you can make a separate network that acts as a Twitter+ - Frankie Warren

Steve: Seesmic Desktop IS a platform. - Robert Scoble

In all honesty it's easy to bash Twitter's infrastructure when you aren't in their shoes. I know our own company has gone through a ton of growing pains in the past 14 years. - Alex Knight

Alex: Twitter was crashing when I had 1,000 followers. It's always sucked. - Robert Scoble

Blackfeather: I'm glad you like the idea, but now I'm seeing Robert's point. The 2010web is constantly changing just like model years. You want to release next years big thing now. - Jimminy

Gogii is SMS based and more universal, and allows custom groups. - Brett Schulte

Frankie - I can't say to be honest one way or the other - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I remember about 2 months that Twitter wasn't crashing in some form or another, when I first started using it - Jesse Stay

Ff on the iPhone is not handling this string very well. - Christian Anderson

Mike: Tweetie is using its network of 200,000 people to do lots of interesting things and will be doing more when they roll out their new version. - Robert Scoble

This is the problem with FriendFeed... 200+ comments from one post. There needs to be a way to flag comments from different users in different ways. - Jay McCormack

Back in the ole days of twitter when you had to walk 15 miles in the snow, barefoot, in order to tweet... - Dean Clark

Mike: it'd be interesting to see if you guys choose to make your own database to add even more features. Like location and better search and "offline availability" for when Twitter is down. - Robert Scoble

i don't know why exactly -perhaps it was the pager days- that makes me see it as yesterday. i skip sms if i can help it. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

robert - understood - I just can't say or comment on anything we are planning or not planning - loic and marco would personally come stomp me into a furry puddle ;) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

You're right Robert, shit programming is shit programming. It's no excuse to not plan/develop scalable infrastructure. Our company is suffering now because all of our internal systems were writing 14 years ago by a bunch of n00bs. - Alex Knight

Jay: I don't see this as a problem. I see it as a benefit. - Shawn Hickman

Robert: I'm sure you're not at liberty to say.... but it seems counter productive that seesmic and tweetie race to get an install base of twitter clients to have their own network gain a critical mass... shouldnt they work together :) Or am I being naive again - Frankie Warren

Am I the only one that would like to see threaded comments or would that get way too messy? - James Poling

Seesmic was interesting but I just can't stand listening to the French guy. - Brett Schulte

Frankie: I wish they would work together. - Robert Scoble

Brett: heheheh. That's Loic. - Robert Scoble

brett - well, you can listen to the German guy if you want - he's the Seesmic Desktop lead - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

FWIW, I love Tiny Twitter on my Blackberry. So much nicer than Twitter Berry - ursi

Robert: He really should get a spokesman people can understand. - Brett Schulte

@James .. threaded comments FTW! - Steven Hodson

James: threaded comments would be fun here. I'd love to add graphics and video in here too, but it sure would get messy. - Robert Scoble

Just say it, Robert. As a former Microsoft employee, you should be able to explain to everyone in three little words how Seesmic Desktop/Tweetie/insert_thirdparty_app_here can successfully kill Twitter should it gain a critical mass of users: "EMBRACE. AND. EXTEND." I'm 26 and even I remember the browser wars. Seriously. Scoble's right on this one. - Andrew Feinberg

+ for threaded comments, this is hard to follow. Friendfeed should add to their UI and it should highlight comments that mention you. - Alex Knight

"Even I remember the browser wars" - feeling ancient. - Brett Schulte

james fuller: considering the target audience & the purpose then it would make sense currently. perhaps i'm thinking of time in a scalable sense of passage. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Andrew: yes, embrace and extend. Tweetie showed me the light. Seesmic is doing similar things with Facebook and Twitter (I have groups in Seesmic Desktop). - Robert Scoble

I wish there was a button for commenting at the very bottom of this post. I don't like scrolling back up to comment. - Jimminy

Alex: follow? Just click the time stamp and stare at the screen! - Robert Scoble

Nobody remember the losers. - Steve Chou

James: if you click the time stamp it will open a new window up where the comment window will be at the bottom. - Robert Scoble

James: pop out the window via the time stamp? - Frankie Warren

Didn't you use to be big on Twitter Scoble? :) - Brett Schulte

Robert: Thank you this is so much better. - Jimminy

@Brett you should see the crowds he draws in Japan - Andrew Feinberg

@Brett he used to be big on Facebook too :) - Steven Hodson

Brett: a very large PR firm told me I have a more engaged audience than Oprah. So, who said I'm still not big on Twitter? - Robert Scoble

Steven: He's not still big on Facebook? Could've fooled me. - Karoli

Brett: It gave birth to this chaos. - Frankie Warren

Does anyone think Twitter buying out one of the big Twitter client products would be good for them? - Alex Knight

Alex: that would be stupid for a platform company to do. - Robert Scoble

Alex - even better, Facebook buying out one of the big Twitter clients - Jesse Stay

@Alex: No. They can barely keep up with their own internal architecture. - Andrew Feinberg

I think Twitter's plan is to offer premium features like advanced search, tracking, analytics, and bringing back the @ replies everyone complained about recently. They won't give this all away for free. - Geoff Peterson

Alex: Twitter effectively killed all tiny URL innovation by partnering with bit.ly. - Robert Scoble

Alex: I think they need to be bought - Shawn Hickman

Robert I think you said it right there - the only way to truly compete with Twitter as a Twitter developer is to become Twitter - Jesse Stay

Shawn: but the minute Twitter buys one the other companies know it's over and they'll move their code to a different system. - Robert Scoble

Do they have a written partnership with bit.ly or did they just switch due to analytics? - Dean Clark

Robert you coming down for e3? - Brett Schulte

Dean: from what I understand it's a written partnership. Bit.ly is even on the same datacenter as Twitter is now. - Robert Scoble

Jesse: is that like the scene in Highlander where Sean Connery teaches Christopher Lambert to "Feel the stag..."? - Andrew Feinberg

Brett: I doubt it. - Robert Scoble

Sure, someone should buy Twitter but who? I would say what Twitter is doing right now would be a good fit for Google. - Alex Knight

Andrew, something like that, yeah :-) - Jesse Stay

Robert: Agreed, but I meant I think they should be bought by another company - Shawn Hickman

Alex: I talked with Twitter investor Fred Wilson on Thursday. He said that Ev really is adverse to selling. - Robert Scoble

Ok call me a newbie, but why would it be a bad thing for Twitter to purchase atebits (tweetie)? Wouldn't that just be like hiring people to make their own client? Or is that bad because Twitter should only be focusing on Twitter, and not clients for Twitter? - Colin

Robert, to your point about search, I would offer this: Even a powerful search isn't enough. There has to be filters. Tracking my name even gives wonky results without filters. - Karoli

So is Twitter's revenue plan to slowly remove the most popular features and then start selling them back to people? - James Poling

Ok, interesting. Yeah written partnership would certainly kill some people trying to innovate. Few out of work people I think will give you different things a try though, certainly won't be see as widely though since short links are a mainstream feature now. - Dean Clark

I heard Robert is buying Twitter - Jesse Stay

wow, it's been a while since I've been in such a fun tech discussion. I've missed you, FriendFeed! - Andrew Feinberg

No, Twitter bought Robert. ;) - Brett Schulte

Karoli: search is equal to filters in my mind. - Robert Scoble

Robert - EV may not want to sell Twitter, but it may have to happen in the not so distant future. We'll see though. - Alex Knight

The obvious choice would be google to purchase Twitter, but I'm sure others could work well too - Shawn Hickman

it's also possible for another company going down to buy twitter for its upward momentum, but maybe not likely. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Brett, no, I just bought Robert - did you see my Twitpay? - Jesse Stay

I bought his puppet, too - Jesse Stay

@James: there was no plan. that would acknowledge they added features knowing they'd be popular, and therefore would have built them better. - Andrew Feinberg

Alex: Ev doesn't have to sell. What's forcing him to sell? I don't see it. - Robert Scoble

Andrew: friendfeed is fun once in a while when you get a topic that rocks and rolls like this one. - Robert Scoble

Seesmic Desktop is Dead - Bwana ☠

Andrew: but the real power in friendfeed is in the real time search engine here. - Robert Scoble

Robert - Nothing at all... but the future is untold. He may not have to sell now but it may become a good move in the future. - Alex Knight

Haha Bwana! - invariant - farewell FF

LOL @Bwana - Alex Knight

I heard Google is buying Seesmic Desktop - Jesse Stay

Bwana makes me laugh. - Robert Scoble

i do like the search engine. I use it to track current event reactions. I just rarely get engaged. - Andrew Feinberg

Jesse NOW THAT would be interesting! - Robert Scoble

I just heard a rim shot coming from Bwana - Alex Knight

You heard it hear first (might as well claim it) - Jesse Stay

ergo seesmic desktop is the new rss? lol - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

bwana - any more lebron pain for you tonight? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert: Conversation you can see is the real power of FriendFeed. Not the disjointed conversation on Twitter. - Geoff Peterson

Maybe FriendFeed should buy Twitter or the other way around - Shawn Hickman

So how does Seesmic make money... or does it not? - Colin

Tweetie is making money. - Colin

Why don't we all just pitch in and buy them both. How many users between the two? - Jesse Stay

Colin - Seesmic desktop makes money from other services I believe. - Alex Knight

Colin: sell a pro version. I'd pay for a version that had friendfeed integration, for instance. - Robert Scoble

@Jesse. Nice bring me in as an investor - Christian Anderson

bear - no, I'm somewhat over it...until I turn the TV on - Bwana ☠

Christian, might still be expensive at what it seems Twitter's asking for - Jesse Stay

well, I'm off to bed. This was fun, see ya in the morning! - Robert Scoble

I heard the LDS church is buying the LHC from CERN and using it to go back in time so they can buy Twitter, add everyone's tweets to their genealogical databases and use that to target ads better than google, AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD AHAHAHAHAHA. Right, Jesse? :-) - Andrew Feinberg

Seesmic desktop runs on AIR. I refuse to use it for that reason. - nick

Robert I thought you were going to kill Gilmore - you got pretty hot. - Brett Schulte

Robert: the average person does not equate search/track/filters . Look at Google usage for examples - Karoli

Colin - I paid for my Tweetie licence but also donated $18 to DestroyTwitter. Love supporting great developers. - Alex Knight

Andrew, I think my head just exploded - Jesse Stay

Brett: he can't kill Gillmor. Two would pop up to take his place. - Andrew Feinberg

hahahaha - Brett Schulte

Good night. 330 comments. Wild. - Robert Scoble

Way to be Alex, this stuff isn't free to make. - Colin

@Jesse: so you don't deny it? :-) - Andrew Feinberg

fun discussion. The pug insists I leave it. Good night all. - Karoli

Good night - happy weekend! - Brett Schulte

Andrew, that one I'll let you make your own conclusions on :-) - Jesse Stay

(I somehow forgot to work Louis Gray into the conspiracy. But we all know he's there. The question is who will play him in the movie starring Tom Hanks as Ev and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Scoble) - Andrew Feinberg

/me wanders off to dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I think Microsoft should buy Twitter and make their own Twitter client and implement Microsoft Bob to help you tweet! - Alex Knight

and don't forget the CGI "Clippy" voiced by Chris Rock - Andrew Feinberg

Microsoft kills almost every business they bought. - Steve Chou from IM

@Steve Chou - Google's record isn't much better really - Steven Hodson

(too bad Don LaFontaine isn't alive to record a trailer voiceover for Ron Howard's "Twitter/Friendfeed" techno-thriller) - Andrew Feinberg

So I need a who special box to run seesmic? *rollseyes* So it's like on of those Bloomberg boxes that investment firms have clicking away? And where in my already oversized backpack am I supposed to carry this Seemic machine? - Matthew DeVries

Matthew: the bloomberg software can run on any laptop now. but you need a special smartcard with a fingerprint reader that reads a barcode off the screen at the same time. - Andrew Feinberg

I'm going to look so cool taking up 4 tables in the coffee shop to run all the shit I'm supposed to be running to be truely plugged in.... - Matthew DeVries

@Matthew ROFLMAO .. just like the rest of the cool kids at Starbucks :) - Steven Hodson

That? That's the PS3 and HDTV just so i can watch Qor. - Matthew DeVries

I'm going to sit down and deal 5 notebooks out of my back pack like a Baccarat shoe. - Matthew DeVries

Wow 350 comments. What a massive comment stream. The comment feature makes a huge diff. It facilitates conversation, which twitter doesn't really provide. - Lawrence Di Stefano from Nambu

What Twitter's at threat!? It has the momentum of an unstoppable train, as to Seesmic being a threat - maybe, unfortunately it's irrelevant. - sofarsoShawn

I dumped Tweetdeck after the last Seesmic release. They have such an insane release schedule I don't think people can grasp how difficult it is to roll out the kind of releases they have done back to back.Their version stream just tells me they have bank behind them. When you work from different boxes I don't love the tethered feel of Seesmic however. - Chad Harris

there is potential for all these services (twitter, Friendfeed, facebook etc) to become secondary to the apps. The more services there are, the greater the need to bring them back together again. - Alistair (alpinefolk)

Chad: agree, there is something about SD that I'm not a fan of, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Seems to have lost something from Twhirl somehow - Alistair (alpinefolk)

@Scoble: Can you disclose publicly here that you are not on a pay roll by Seesmic or Loic LeMeur? Don't you have a PR-advisory deal? Please disclose.... - nikolas

Mike Taylor: "dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed" <- that would be SO great ^__^ (with xdcc support included and stuff...) - minus-one

Robert is high - Alejandro

amazing 355 comments - learned a lot about Seesmic in rellation to twitter; thanks for sharing! - Jeroen De Miranda

Nikolas I have no such deal with Seesmic. I never have been paid by them. I have no investment in them. I don't know where you got that idea but it is totally false. - Robert Scoble

I just cannot bring myself to install one more thing on my computer to take up needed RAM. Plus, I do not want to install anything on my work computer either...and like to just user browser things that I can use on any computer. - Hummie

Scobleizer, Wait, Do I hence assume that your assertion is that friendfeed is no more (or, never was) a threat to twitter? - Lakshman Prasad

Lakshman: Friendfeed I'd not a threat to Twitter, correct. That said it is a threat to http://search.twitter.com - Robert Scoble

Robert: I like it but --- 1. it is a tool not a place, so i'll stick with FriendFeed as my means to "kill Twitter" and 2. it is a total whorish memory hog and i hate it when that happens. - Thom Kennon

Yeah it's a memory hog - Svartling

Robert: Seesmic definitely has potential, but I think that PeopleBrowsr has far more potential and far more power than Seesmic will ever have. As a power user, I'm quite surprised that you haven't taken that tool up, and replaced your Tweetdeck. And I would be surprised if you chose Seesmic to replace Tweetdeck. The search capabilities alone in PeopleBrowsr make me wonder this. Add to... more... - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I would honestly say Seesmic Desktop is more of a threat to Friendfeed than Twitter - Zee.

Rob: I need to try Peoplebrowsr again. When I first tried it it was too slow and complex. - Robert Scoble

Zee: one major reason I also haven't gotten in Peoplebrowsr or Seesmic desktop is because, well, it is Adobe AIR and my iPhone doesn't run that (in Seesmic Desktop's case). In Peoplebrowser's case? It didn't do mobile last time I tried it. Friendfeed's search and realtime is keeping me going. - Robert Scoble

I think we can all agree that twitter was just the first in a line of ever evolving systems in real time news, twitter is the oldest, and will probably be replaced eventually, but surely it doesn't help to keep jumping ship every few months, nothing seems to be gathering as much steam as friendfeed, and it offers huge improvements over twitter, I really think people do need to persist with one service... rather than constantly jumping - Chris Lloyd

Robert the lack of mobile in PeopleBrowsr is valid, and it is complex, but the light mode makes it much more manageable to start using. The speed has considerably improved since you last used it. We'd love for you to try it again. The AIR version will import your groups from Tweetdeck. Please feel free to ask any questions you have. Jodee is on his way to California now for the conference this week. I hope that you'll have a chance sit down with him and see the improvements. - guruvan (Rob Nelson) from f2p

augh, too many comments to absorb. just wanted to throw in my two cents, though. i started with twhirl, then tried out Seesmic Desktop, and then went back to twhirl because i was able to customize the font size for reading the tweets. maybe i didn't dig deep enough, but Seesmic doesn't have that option, and i find the print a wee bit too small for my liking. - Starshadow Rivaulx

Wow Rob, you are an internet phenomenon. Someone tweeted me the link of this thread followed by "look at the moron, lol". Anyway: If twitter gets shut down, Seesmic will die. If Seesmic dies (gets shut down, w/e), it won't make a dent to twitter. Hence, you are wrong. - H M Elius

I'm with @guruvan on this, PeopleBrowsr is way better than Seesmic Desktop as a power tool. - Svartling

Svartling: Thanks! And, you can see by the via on this post, we already have FriendFeed support, and it will improve as well. And, with all the networks that we support, PeopleBrowsr isn't dependent on Twitter. Twitter access is surely the big slice, but we offer the ability to search Facebook, FriendFeed, Digg, Youtube, flickr, and even custom URLs. And, we provide access to Seesmic's network - guruvan (Rob Nelson) from PeopleBrowsr

Robert: I think you mean "Twinkle" can move over to its own service, not "Tweetie". - Bryan Penczak

Loic is gonna love this - David Lloyd

so I go offline for a few hours playing with the kids and Robert launches this conversation when I am quiet and away! Ah! that's fun. If you had written a blog post instead of a friendfeed entry it would definitely be the week-end techmeme headline! Competing with Twitter? Nah I would have to be seriously sick to even think about it. We are just delivering as fast as we can and growing... more... - Loic Le Meur

WOW, what a conversation that was!! - Micky

Seriously. Robert...I think you just proved the value of (at least) FriendFeed forever more...(And Seesmic too of course!:-)...This is what I get for sleeping, eh? - Alan Edgett

I still rather prefer Twhirl to Seesmic Desktop. (Twitter + Friendfeed) better than (Twitter + Facebook). - Ade

The newest SD is much nicer than previous from a functional standpoint. I agree that FF support is a must (as well as Seesmic support). I still do not really like the UI, especially on my EEE PC, but even on the 24" monitor it is not as nice as TD. The functionality is better though so I have switched to SD. Really hoping to have the ability to rename saved searches, it is the searching which is so awesome after all. - Sean Brady

Robert how about a video showing the features or another interview with Loic? Depraved for Content!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Stephen Pickering

Its PeopleBrowsr not Seesmic - Webferret

So, what is this stuff from the top of the thread about Tweetie using their own servers? Little Snitch tells me that Tweetie for the Mac is communicating with twitter.com and s3.amazonaws.com. Robert? - Jason Wehmhoener

Jason: sorry it was Twinkle. I messed up. - Robert Scoble

It would sure be ironic if the 'openness' of Twitter's API killed them. As far as Seesmic goes, I wouldn't count on it emerging as the winner. I'm not impressed with it at all, most of the reasons being cited or commonly known. It has a lot of work to do before even attempting FriendFeed integration. I think Nambu has a lot of promise actually - Angus Burton

Starshadow - I know that better font handling is on our short list - i'll go poke the devs to see if I can move it up a couple notches :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Loic: who cares about getting on Techmeme anymore? Not me. I'd rather just have an interesting conversation. Seems like a few people found it here. - Robert Scoble

Looks to be the ase doesn't it. I was moving to TweetDeck/Twit but now thininking about exiting ofdf to Seesmic - James Hemby

Robert, you've got me trying both FriendFeed and Seesmic now from this post. Soon enough I'll be on flttr , even. - Raj Rikhy

Robert, I love TechMeme, I read it multiple times a day. I agree Friendfeed has very active users. Both are small groups on the web, if these groups are enough for you as a conversation, then yeah it's cool. Friendfeed definitely did not make me stop reading techmeme. - Loic Le Meur

having said that, yes, Friendfeed is coming to Seesmic Desktop - Loic Le Meur

Loic: I am inviting a bunch of Web innovators to a private room on friendfeed this weekend. It's amazing how many are already here and signed in. They might not be active, but they are active enough to accept my invitations! Watch for yours soon. - Robert Scoble

Wow all these comments about seesmic! Well this got me really curious, until now I only used Tweetdeck,tried Peoplebrowser, didn't like it, will give Seesmic a chance now. Want to find out for my self, and once again thanks to friendfeed for these discussions! - Jacob

I view Seesmic Desktop and Tweetdeck as almost next generation web browsers customized for the social web. Will be interesting to see how that dynamic evolves and how the traditional browsers like firefox will fit into the picture going forward. - Mike Bracco

Loic: I would love to hear what you feel about my above statement and where you see SD fitting in long term/big picture perspective. If you have a link where you have already discussed this, can you send - thanks! - Mike Bracco

Mike: agreed Loic "Bloomberg for Social media" sums it up perfectly. Also I am not a fan of peoplebrowser think Steamy is cleaner if you want to go untethered. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T - Chad Harris from email

Chad: Thanks and makes total sense. - Mike Bracco

Thanks also ment to type "Streamy" not steamy, thumbs need a diet :) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T - Chad Harris from email

Seesmic Desktop is too buggy for my liking... and I've tried to like it. Userlists are often completely incorrect... and randomly at that. I don't much care for any of the AIR apps. They just don't "feel" good. - John

Robert: I'm curious - If Twitter decides to use advertising as part of their business model, how will apps like seesmic etc impact Twitter - if they block advertisements, which are displayed on the Twitter web page? If so many users won't see the ads, how will that hurt Twitter's model? - Jim Connolly

LOL. - Mona Nomura

damn! this thread is still going! scoble's threads are epic! - Jason Pollock

Jim: the advertising money is in search. So, what happens if Seesmic Desktop does a metasearch that uses Twitter, Facebook, and friendfeed to present to you the best possible display? Wouldn't that hurt Twitter's ability to sell advertising? I think it would. The one who is in charge of the display controls where the ads go. The one who has the relationship with the user controls the... more... - Robert Scoble

I like Seesmic's functionality but really dislike the interface. It's all a little clunky and a little ugly. Plus the left panel takes up way too much space. Air apps aren't may fav. Seesmic should look at Tweetie on the mac for design ideas. - Wo

How do you search Facebook on Seesmic? - Wo

Didn't read all 400+ comments. Seesmic desktop is poopy compared to Nambu. Try Nambu. - Jason Mayoff from Nambu

Robert: I'm waiting on my invite :) - James Poling from email

does anyone know how many users are registered on friendfeed ? :) - Pretty Monkey Studio

It has 103.33 million accounts - David Lloyd

cool thx mark - Pretty Monkey Studio

can't believe this thread is still active - Loic Le Meur

Wow this is still going on?? LOL - Alex Knight

Jason - Nambu is crash happy, at least Seesmic Desktop doesn't crash. - Alex Knight

This entire thread is silly and nonsensical. It's one thing to argue the merits of an interface's appearance, but the way this reads is like comparing an orange to orange juice. Seesmic Desktop is the orange juice to Twitter's orange; without the source, you can't have the juice. Or, is Loic planning to create a competing SNS? - Ari Herzog

Ari... I think the point is you can now drink orange, apple, tomato and grape juice and it all tastes like the same juice. Things like this make 'where' less important than 'what' - Johnny Worthington

Not the point, Johnny. If Twitter has one of its legendary fail whale attacks, it matters not what juice you're drinking since it ain't there. - Ari Herzog

Hey Robert, you're attracting again heh!!! Had to take 2 days off after all the fun we had. I LOVE SD, btw. - Myrna

Twine Is Taking Off, Now Bigger Than FriendFeed http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... (pretty hard 2 believe) - Ron Hagenhoff

+1 on hyperboles make you think. Just did a twitter search to measure the buzz around twitter clients: tweetie ~70 tweet per hour, tweetdeck ~150 tweet per hour and seesmic ~30 tweet per hour. But seesmic has $12M in the bank and a charismatic leader - It is going to be an interesting fight! - Edwin Khodabakchian

Edwin: TweetDeck also had a multi month lead over Seesmic. That's going to be tough to beat. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Yes. The challenge for Loic I think is going to be to carve out a market segment: 1) companies managing their brands and communities, 2) social media power users or 3) normal users. 1) is where the short term revenue is, 2) is where the vocal/buzz people are and 3) is where the mass and long term search revenue. I am not sure that you can design one product which will fit the... more... - Edwin Khodabakchian

The future is in a desktop app? Everything else is going web-based, into the cloud, and yet for this alone users will flock to some resource-hog? No way, no how. Be web-based or be content to live with only early adopters. - Maxwell Kennerly

I'm loving Seesmic desktop - i look forward to what adaptations it will make - I want that friend feed pull-in. - Robert Freeze

The one thing that I have only seen in Nambu is the unread count. Might be missing something but it is just amazing for having searches in there, for mentions and direct messages. It's just wonderful. And is it not Air which security people will tell you is a major danger spot for hacking. - Oliver Thylmann

Robert: Thanks for the feedback re Twitter's revenue model. Just a thought, but with this thread having (at this point) 425 comments - is there a chance that FRIENDFEED could be the real competition to Twitter? The quality is already here, just a 'little' light on numbers. Thoughts? - Jim Connolly

Jim: I think there's something interesting happening here in search and in groups. Those are both places there's potential money, but a lot has to happen before that can happen. - Robert Scoble

Only if we all get more expensive computers, webcams, etc. - Prokofy Neva

Robert: Are you referring to FriendFeed needing more active users or for the actual FriendFeed platform to change? - Jim Connolly

I dont know if Seesmic is a threat for Twitter, but I know Robert Scoble knows well how to create a hot thread. - Jacque

Jacque: That's what I was thinking. :-) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Can someone please explain to me how you can search your facebook stream in Seesmic - Wo

Ari: Not all of these clients are particularly susceptible to Twitter's failwhales. Many features still continue to work, often including search. Some of these clients have backends that cache/queue tweets so even more gets through. So it's not always like having no juice. Furthermore, if you're paying attention to multiple social networks, you're not as concerned or slowed down by one of them becoming inaccessible - guruvan (Rob Nelson) from PeopleBrowsr

I've been using Seesmic Desktop for about a week now. I absolutely love it. I have no use for Tweetdeck now. I sometimes use Hootsuite - mostly for their "Hootlet". But Seesmic Desktop is absolutely wonderful in managing my feeds. - Curt Mercadante

*bumps* - sofarsoShawn

Geoff Peterson

30 Recruiting Strategies in a Down Economy - http://digg.com/busines...

December 1, 2008 from Digg - Comment - Like - Share

"This was a presentation I gave recently in a 30 minute timeframe - lots of great information to share with recruiter, sourcers and others. It is like "drinking from a firehose!" Let me know your thoughts." - Geoff Peterson

Invites: pb30

Invites available: 5 Dropbox, 12 Orgoo, 11 Socialthing, 20 Jaiku, 10 Iminta. Request here: http://blog.pb30.com/contact/

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If you have any Jaiku invites left i would be most greatful! electronicbattleweapon7 - Rodreegez

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I'll take an Orgoo invite: grantgoodstein@gmail.com - Grant

FYI, seems grant got one, no one else send. - Ryan Gallagher

Also have Socialbrowse invites: http://blog.pb30.com/contact/ - pb30

asked for dropbox and got it in a matter of minutes ! thanks ! - Maxime

Dropbox invite please. - Gregor Munro

Still have Orgoo, Socialthing, Socialbrowse, Jaiku, Iminta. Request here: http://blog.pb30.com/contact/ - pb30

Any invites left for Iminta? gpeterson@generallead.com. Thanks. - Geoff Peterson

Please send me a Socialbrowse invite, amyers@gmail.com - Aaron Myers from fftogo

any jaiku invites left? - brettstark.redback at gmail dot com - thanks! - EcoAussie

@gregor, i could send you dropbox invite.. please leave your email id here where you want the invite.. - Jigar Mehta

@Grant, I have sent you an Orgoo invite.. enjoy! - Jigar Mehta

Dropbox invite, please: riddell.dave@gmail.com - Dave Riddell

if you have a dropbox and iminta invite left I will take one. jeffisageek@gmail.com thx! - (jeff)isageek

Send invite to me, please: Dropbox, Orgoo, Iminta. ainokaze @ gmail. com .Thanks! - Кто здесь?

Louis Gray

If I were a new FriendFeed user, and I were automatically signed up to the noisiest people, w/all their sites, I'd be dead. There should be a "FriendFeed Lite" for first-timers that shows only blogs, Flickr and the basics, and then you try "Medium" and "Firehose". Don't scare away the newbies.

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Rawr! - Bwana ☠

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Trial by fire, I say! - Bradley McSpinn

Yeah it can be pretty over whelming at first... but most tools like this are... I guess. - Adrian Nadeau

Maybe someone should put together some themed rooms for newbs and newb graduates - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins

i say jump on in the water's warm! - Morgan

They should join the same way my dad says he was taught to swim. Just jump in, if you make it, YAY; if you don't... ;) - Ha3rvey (more more more)

I've been here for a few weeks and would have freaked out if I signed up to the intense users. I feel like I'm slowly getting the hang of it, adding people a little at a time, and participating more and more... - Corie

Don't scare the newbies! scare the devs! MORE API! repeat after me: MORE API ! :) - directeur from NoiseRiver

A newbie coming to FF will have their lists populated by their friends, first and foremost. That kind of goes to the point of the name, I think. There's no reason they WOULD sign up for the noisiest people. - Alexander Williams from NoiseRiver

I'm only here for the Twitter. - Cyndy

That's not true at all. I came here because of one person who told me about it. Other than that, I knew no one and couldn't get any friends to join. - Corie

I'll be franck: I'm building in my small and humble sorcerer's lab a smarter "recommended page" that when optimized will be the cure for noise! Hear me Scobleizer? :) - directeur from NoiseRiver

agree with Louis, I guess for many there must be too much noise, so that they can't even think of a thing to say themselves - Peter Efland

I signed up for a lot of noisemakers because i didn't have any friends who would join. I still hide a lot, a LOT. But I do think that the recommended page should be geared towards a variety of interests other than 'how to write a blog' and 'twitter wahhh' and 'iphone blahblah.' Rooms need exposure and love. - sergiooo

They also need an automatically scrolling version to make it look like something REALLY important is happening in real time. - Mike Seidle

@Peter Efland (phefland): I dunno, there seems to be quite a lot of folks saying quite a lot all the time. They just have their own insular environments / friend nets which yours (and mine, likely) don't necessarily intersect. Beyond that, as I've said elsewhere, if you own a theatre why does everyone have to be an actor all the time? An audience is not just good, it's necessary. - Alexander Williams from NoiseRiver

@sergiooo: I like the " 'how to write a blog' and 'twitter wahhh' and 'iphone blahblah.' " :-) More of that coming soon. - Louis Gray

Deep dive or nothing - Dave Martin

Good suggestion. I am on firehose setting for now... but I am here INSTEAD of Twitter. :-) - David Muir

@alexander williams: True - good comment - Peter Efland

@Alexander Williams (squidlord): Totally agree! very wise! - directeur from NoiseRiver

Why not give newbies the opportunity to view a short intro-to-FF clip, perhaps narrated by LG, showing them the basics. Things like how to follow/stop following people, the hide feature, etc. Having a basic understanding of how to use the service and being signed up with one or two noisier, not the noisiest, people seems reasonable. - Dan Boggs

Louis, shock therapy worked wonrders for me. If I hadstarted with the light version, I would not be so psyched about it. - Rodrigo Leme from twhirl

@Luis Gray :) I'm not saying those feeders shouldn't be recommended, just that there is a whole world outside of the few topics that are so well represented, and if the goal is some sort of mainstream acceptance a bit of diversity deserves the same opportunity. - sergiooo

LOL...good one. I started using FF a few weeks ago and find myself spending alot more time reading, commenting and looking around than on Twitter. Much more interactive and engaging. - Geoff Peterson

I had mentioned in another post that it would be great if you could individually select the portions of one's feeds to have piped in. That way you could open up the fire hose and skip what you have not interest in (i.e. last.fm posts, etc). - JA Castillo

I thought FF was a cult =( - Mona Nomura

I need FF Lite some days, too. LOL - Sarah Perez

Got outa control myself and made a mess ... Finally back. This is Louis right ?? :) - Charlie Anzman

Sink or swim - Internet's Tad

FF lite: Putting friends on a diet. LOL - LPH™ and his dog P™

I quickly put together that Scoble and Laporte = Noise, so I discovered the Hide feature. Then I closed off the Friend of a Friend bit. Bam! It was readable again. Now I just follow too many interesting people to keep track of everything. I get about 11 pages worth a day. - xero

yes, it would be easy to say 'What are you interested in' on sign up. From there filter specific services and... oh yah, KEYWORDS! - Tim Hoeck from NoiseRiver

FF lite: subscribe to just the a-listers. :O - Hao Chen

Interesting idea on FriendFeed Lite, they would have to subscribe to a lot of people to be overwhelmed though right? - Joe Dawson

I'm a newbie and I'm already overwhelmed! All it takes is adding two crazy FF'ers and joining two active groups. - Judy L. Lin

Along those lines I'd like to control which users I promote from my profile too. See this http://friendfeed.com/e... - Mark Krynsky

Perhaps FF should have an equivalent of Twitter Packs (http://twitterpacks.pbwiki.com/) that could be offered to newbies. - Andy Murdoch

An easy and non-obtrusive way to implement would be a simple checkbox on reg path that says "Start out with just blogs, flickr, etc... You can add more services to your FF anytime!" And new users must opt-in for that "light" service - Eric Berlin

lmao - that's actually a great idea - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

Nah...throw them in the deep end and see how well they swim - Live4Emma (L4S)

But that's the whole point of FF isn't it? To swim and survive in the sea of "noise".. - Winston Teo

took me about a week or so to fine tune my likes with others after adding to my feed without interaction. at first it can be a bit overwhelming, especially with the nonsense about "a-listers" and this and that, but you find your niche no matter what - Cee Bee

Maybe make one of the best of the day/week/month thingies the default for newbies? - Rudolf Olah

LEWL. - Brandon Klevence

Twitter: Ryne Nelson

What is the best way to Tweet while on the go?

July 10, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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what kind of phone do you have? - Mona Nomura

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for my Curve...Twitterberry + TinyTwitter - Live4Emma (L4S)

MoTwit works great for Treos (PalmOS) and Centros - nick carrasco

Treo 700 - .LAG liked that

Try Ping.fm or Hellotxt. Quick updates on those. Hahlo is good too. Twitterific if you have an iPhone... - Geoff Peterson

I use twitterberry, love it! - Brian Carter

I just use the Twitter website? - Aaron Myers

Honestly, Jott or Twitterfone are the easiest way to tweet. You call, speak the message, magic happens, and something looking like your message shows up on Twitter in a couple minutes. Best of all for me: I don't have a text or data plan, so text tweeting would cost me money. But the last time I ran out of free minutes was like 7 years ago. (edit: forgot to mention I have an old Moto P551 so I can't download a useful program anyway... and again that would require a data plan) - mark zero (Jason)

pockettweets for iphone, twitterberry for BB, and if you have a sidekick you should go kill yourself :) - Mona Nomura

SMS - Clay Newton

good call clay - Hao Chen

or Gchat (when it works) - Mona Nomura

I haven't tried it myself yet, but... http://www.scripting.com/stories... - Bartending

email from phone to Ping.fm :D - Brad McCrorey

I've slandr.net is good. It handles replies and DMs. On an iPod Touch when I have wifi I use iTweet.net - jjprojects

I love slandr.net too. - Lucretia Pruitt

be handier if we had tracking back, then twitter sms would be it - Terry O'Fee from twhirl

Hahlo. - l0ckergn0me

Pockettweets... hahlo has an hourly cap =| - Mona Nomura

I would like to say tweetsay is kind of cool. too bad it never works - Noah David Simon

has to be twinkle - if you have an iphone or even an itouch (with wi-fi) - Gavin Costello

Andrew Baron

More Iranian Missile Photoshopery - http://www.boingboing.net/2008...

July 11, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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LOL @ the x-wing fighters. - Cee Bee

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this just made today so much better. hilarious. - Matt Harwood

LMAO awesome - Shey, Jamaican of FF

The AT&T one made me laugh - Kreg Steppe

Godzilla would be more effective than most of Iran's weapons. - Michael Tefft

I want to laugh, but... - l0ckergn0me

don't know.. it's too close to me.. funny yet.. (...went to prepare my protected room :)) - Naor Mark

Godzilla ftw - xero

hilarious - andy brudtkuhl

wow. i did laugh. too crazy. - Andrea Baker

http://www.flickr.com/photos... ♥ ♥ ♥ - AJ Batac

liked more bars, more places - Laurie Stoker

FAF = funny as feck - LOL - Graham Steel

Only thing that's put a smile on my face today with all this iPhone nonsense is the Godzilla one! Seriously funny... - John Samuelson

"Like Saddam, we're total bad-asses. We have missiles! Godzilla! Our soldiers are all armed with flaming holy scimitars! You will drown in rivers of your own blood! Stay away." - Chris Baskind

Can't stop laughing. =D - David Cook

Godzilla looks like Big Bird's face with a baseball cap. - Trish R

Fricking hilarious! - Geoff Peterson

why godzilla didn't try to fly with those missiles ?! :D it should be fun... - Milad.p

:) - خیزران Has gone

Good PS,nice fancy. - Chris Qie

omg, this is awesome! 8^D - Chieze Okoye

I like Godzilla. Too Cool - Steve

One thought: So they PS'ed one more missile. Wouldn't 3 hitting your town still be a big deal? - Louis Gray

One would ruin my day, Louis. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

What next! - Nicholas Kreidberg

The idea that they only have a 75% success rate on something they deem as "an awesome display" is definitely something to be ashamed of. This is the best they can do, and it was barely a passing grade.' - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins

Louis, whilst I am amoungst those that value your opinion, that hypothetical, improbable does not lick the boots of the reality of shameful journalistic integrity, misrepresenting a nation (of people, remember), and spreading that lie as far as the eye can see. When we turn the emphasis away from the facts of what happened, we make it matter less. - Michael W. May

the neo cons control Godzilla. Watch out it is a Zionist threat - Noah David Simon

Louis: Three hitting your town would be a big deal, but none of these have enough range to reach your town... or any town in Israel, which is the larger concern. None of these are Shahabs http://tinyurl.com/6ch6pg. - Steve Lynch

always remember that close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear weapons. - Nathan Eckenrode

Drudge adds some "insight": http://www.drudgereport.com/flashim... - Louis Gray

ببین تو رو خدا چه جوری آبروی ادمو می برن!حالا اینام گیر دادن دیگه ول نمی کنن - Shandiz

this made my day! - imabonehead

Geoff Peterson

Specialized Bicycle Components : HRXC - http://www.specialized.com/bc...

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Got a new bike today...thought to share with my followers...give you guys something else other than the usual FF/Twitter, social media chatter. Besides...we all need to step away from our computers now and then don't we? What do you think? - Geoff Peterson from Bookmarklet

Kevin Rose

hmm, Pownce (notes/files/links), Digg (stories), Twitter (short updates), FriendFeed (aggregated comments), do I still need a blog?

July 9, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Sort of wondered about that on my blog too. - phil baumann

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Twitter's already kind of like the short attention span version of a blog - Mark

FF is a big, huge, group blog - Mike Doeff

hell ya, my new site just feeds and project links - videopixil from twhirl

Don't forget your vidcast. - connor

Thanks kevin: I just wanted to hear that from someone else as well. I am happy that it come from you. I have been thinking about the same in last few days. I want to set up a blog for our site and I thought why not do it for example here on Friendfeed and use the other tools you mentioned above to support it. - Joao

I still can't feel comfortably with Pownce. I preffer Tumblr for easily and freedom. - Leandro Ardissone ⍨

I use the blog to talk about the stuff that I find on the sites. - Bradley McSpinn

i was commenting something similiar the other day - isn't facebook for people that can't type more than one sentence in their own blog? Does it make you seem more interesting than you really are? - Jason Hoch

Joao: yea, have been thinking the same thing - I might start forwarding kevinrose.com to friendfeed. Just wish I could customize the layout. - Kevin Rose

A blog is still good for long-form thoughts as opposed to the quick bursts that you'd put out on Twitter or FF. - Alex

Posterous works for longer things. - Jason Wehmhoener

Without blogs, what would we submit to Digg? - Josh Kenzer

You bring up a good point... Soon, design will not matter much.. Content is King. - Robert

I think a blog still has its place, but it is used much less frequently. Like Alex said it is really just for long (multi paragraph or even page) thoughts and personal opinions that you can't find on say Digg. Even still, using FF in conjunction with a blog improves it even more :D. - Shaun Bevill

Think about how many "flash" websites you used to see and how many you see now.... - Robert

Has anyone set up a FriendFeed room as a personal blog yet? I can't think of any reason why that wouldn't work. - Mike Doeff

well for you no. For people who don't own Pownce, Digg, etc and want to make $ from the internet by creating content and selling ads around those content. Still need a blog or site. - Greg Wilker from twhirl

good point Greg - no way to place ads on these sites. - Kevin Rose

@Greg Wilker good point... I am sure there is another way, but not sure what that way is... - Robert

I'll post wherever I get the most interaction... for me that happens to be FriendFeed. - Brandon

its a good point / question. what ecosystem works? I still think having a blog as a personal home base - an airport if you will - is a good idea. touch down on all the other sites - engage - and for further content: blog - j sven

well, it's not really needed. But being a writer, it helps me to be in the writing habit and maintaining discipline... - Fajar Jasmin

Yes, but the form will change. A successful blog will have API access to all of the above and be able to sort/arrange your online footprint in a meaningful way that is easy for users to scan through. It would also allow you to make traditional blog posts that work in reverse order. Friendfeed is close to this, but it is too disjointed and not customizable. - Cade Brown

Dang, seems you struck a chord. Conversation's exploding here and on Twitter. I am glad you bring this up, as you have the ability to get this question answered quite effectively. I WANT to have a blog, but these other services are treating me quite well. The issue comes in remembering where all this stuff you've saved/said is located and the audience that receives it is more and more niche...enter FF? I guess. - Victor Vasquez

One other thing is I'm all about less is more. Do you really want to say "hey go friend me up on twitter.com/insertname friendfeed.com/insertname digg.com/user/insertname etc etc or would you rather just say insertname.com to people with links to those other sites on it. you can insert my name into those if you want to friend me up. =D - Greg Wilker from twhirl

you forgot your tumblr zen-style blog.... - Dan van Moll

Agreed, blogs should be long form thoughts. Stop posting one sentence updates to your blog. - Eric @ CS Techcast

I'm still keeping mine! A blog to me is different than what Pownce, Twitter and FF offer. They are more "communities" where there is far more interaction than in a blog. Receiving and responding to comments out on a blog is very different than the instantaneous interaction I get while using the likes of Twitter and FF. - Geoff Peterson

Depends on if you want to write. I like the idea of a personally branded dedicated space... - Ryan

I still think a blog is important. Its just more personal than forwarding your site to FF. Ya, FF is personal, but its something that you don't own, and can't customize the way you want. - Nick Humphries

a blog is the only place where you own both the content AND the style. - Brian Ries

But FriendFeed might be able to monetize the comments, especially if there's a thread/pattern among participants. - phil baumann

All that stuff is wonderful if you suffer from ADD.... but for thoughts, arguments, commentary, etc that's longer, fuller, better developed and hopefully more "permanent" than one off comments, you still need some kind of site or blog. Contrary to popular belief around here, sometimes you need more than 140 characters to say something worthwhile. - Eric P

Hell yeah, for SEO! :) - Melle Gloerich

I'm still having issuse with the FF comment plugin for wordpress =( I really like FF so far just wish my coding skills were up to part to figure this out. send me an email if you know how to get it to work gregwilker.net@gmail.com - Greg Wilker from twhirl

Since you don't post long entries, probably not. FriendFeed catches my Diggs, tweets, and Pownces, I just pipe all of that to my blog: http://www.screwtheman.com - Paul Reynolds

And Vimeo (HD videos), QIK (mobile live streaming) - Langley Zhu

... Demonoid (torrents), Last.fm (music), Adium (IM).. that's about all ya need. - shaggyshaw

Nope! - justine

You use Pownce? - Andy DeSoto

One of the most interesting things is that there is, so far, no content spam here in the discussions. On my Wordpress blog (lightly used) I had to turn off all comments because of horrible drug spam. While the filters usually caught it, nonetheless, it ended up on my server, and added to traffic. My site (not the blog :-) ) has 65,000+ visitors per month and doesn't need junk added into the blog space. While Kevin may not need a blog now, his material is readily and happily accessed and organized, some may. - iSteeve

blog for fuller content, but you'll use it less. - clarke thomas

Mike Fruchter

What are the social media applications you use the most?

July 9, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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this - FF, GReader, Flickr, Twitter, Facebook - Andrew Smith

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Please list your top 5. - Mike Fruchter

FriendFeed, Twitter, Facebook. That's pretty much it these days, and my Twitter usage has been going down lately. - Nathaniel Payne

FriendFeed, GReader, Flickr, del.icio.us, Twitter. - Ha3rvey (more more more)

FriendFeed, Twitter, Identi.ca, Facebook (in that order) - Mansi Bhatia

FF, GReader, Facebook (very little) is pretty much all I use anymore. - John Duff

GReader, GMail, FF - Stefan Hayden

FriendFeed, GReader, StumbleUpon, del.icio.us, Twitter. - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Flickr, FriendFeed, GReader, Mento, Facebook - JA Castillo

FF, Twitter, Google Reader, Digg, StumbleUpon, Last.fm, Feedly - Patrick Jordan

I'll have to agree with Nathaniel. FriendFeed, Twitter, and Facebook are all I use anymore. - James Mowery from twhirl

FriendFeed, Mento, Twitter, GReader, Linkedin (end of the list is toss up between LinkedIn, Facebook and maybe Flickr/Picassa and Like.Fm) - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

FF, Google Reader/Feedly/Toluu, Ping.FM... that's pretty much it - Bwana ☠

FF, Flickr, Facebook (less and less), Twitter (barely) - Justin Korn

Friendfeed, Twitter, GReader, Facebook, and a bunch that score equally - Charlie Anzman

delicious, Greader, netvibes, facebook, vimeo.. plus the phenomenal FF. - ''a_a@FF''

Plaxo Pulse, FriendFeed, Summize, Twitter - John McCrea

GReader, GMail, FriendFeed, Socialthing, Facebook - Nathan Reale

FriendFeed, Google Reader, wordpress.com, Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook - Hutch Carpenter

I didn't know GReader qualified as a social media application -- never thought of it that way. I guess because it's not as interactive. But since it seems to be a valid entry on the list, +1 for me, too. - Mansi Bhatia

friendFeed, Twitter, Facebook - Dave Peck

Google Reader, FriendFeed, Twitter, Digg, del.icio.us, Facebook, Flickr. Everything else are supporting apps and blogging tools to distribute the information to other networks like Plaxo and Tumblr. - Glenn Batuyong from twhirl

twitter, friendfeed, Google Reader, Plurk, and various blogs - Ian May from twhirl

Flickr, FF, Google Reader, Facebook, Zooomr - Tom Harrison

FF, GReader(using rss meme and feedly makes this more social), Flickr, del.icio.us, tumblr, hypemachine - Rafael Robayna

Google Reader, Twitter, Facebook, Flickr - Darryl

I never even thought of Flickr, I've used it to store my better photographic efforts for so long - Ian May from twhirl

Google Reader, Friendfeed, Del.icio.us - Nick Dominguez

FF (now with mionews), Twitter (via Twhirl), Flickr and now it seems I should move from Bloglines beta over to Greader <grin> - Cheryl Allin

currently, Gtalk, Plurk, Twitter, FriendFeed, Greader. - Jansen Lu

Twitter, Friendfeed, AIM, Google Reader - Eric Berlin

Twitter, Friendfeed, Google Reader, Livejournal, Flickr - Morton Fox

FF, Twitter, BKite, Feedley, Last.fm - Jay Martin

Twitter, FriendFeed, del.icio.us, Flickr, Google Reader. And sometimes Facebook. - Mack D. Male

Google Reader, FriendFeed, del.icio.us, Twitter, Facebook - Ron Emrick

1) Friendfeed 2) Digsby 3)Twitter 4) RSS/G Reader 5) Wordpress - Mike Fruchter

ff, last.fm, delicious, GReader, flickr - Trent Olson

FF, twitter, seesmic (very little), GReader, - Fred from twhirl

Friendfeed, Flickr, Del.icio.us - ǝuǝƃnǝ

Twitter, FriendFeed, LinkedIn, Google Reader, WordPress (My blog "StaffBytes") - Geoff Peterson

Twitter, FriendFeed, Delicious, Google Reader, WordPress, Flickr - andy brudtkuhl

Facebook, LinkedIn, FF, Google Reader and Reddit. - Jonathon

FriendFeed, Facebook, LiveJournal (old school!) - MegvMeg

Friendfeed - Anne Bouey

FriendFeed - Mike Reynolds

FF, Twitter, Flickr, del.icio.us, Upcoming, Brightkite, Last.fm, Pandora, UStream - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

Friendfeed - RAPatton

FriendFeed, Flickr, Zooomr mostly. - Thomas Hawk

1) Friendfeed 2) Twitter 3) Meebo/Digsby 4) Google Reader 5) Facebook - Hao Chen

friendfeed, google reader, stumbleupon... - Alessandro

Google Reader, Zooomr, Flickr, FriendFeed, Blogger - Jeff P. Henderson

FF, GReader, Last.fm, Flickr, Twitter, Youtube - Jason Toney

FF, GReader, Flickr, Youtube, and my poor, broken, untouched-since-2005 JournURL - Roger Benningfield

Friendfeed, Google Reader, Twitter, Facebook, Last.fm, Blogger... - Joe Dawson

let see FF, GReader, Flickr, Diigo, Twitter, Last.fm, Disqus, Toluu - (jeff)isageek

Twitter, FriendFeed, MySpace, FaceBook, YouTube - Eric Hamilton

twitter/tweetdeck, friendfeed, digg, google reader, facebook (in that order) - Chris Harris

Twitter, FF, Facebook, Email (Gmail +.Mac) - Tony

Twitter,FriendFeed,TechMeme - Igor Poltavskiy

In no particular order: Facebook, Flickr, del.icio.us, Google Reader and Twitter. Digg and FriendFeed are close, though. - Joyce Garcia

Dave Winer

Why FriendFeed is growing faster than Twitter - http://www.scripting.com/stories...

July 6, 2008 from Scripting News - Comment - Like - Share

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I am still of mixed emotion. I am still tilted to Twitter. - Michael VanDervort from fftogo

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Good read... I am still having problems getting my twitter friends to make the switch. They are entrenched... - Robert

Twitter has the "first to market" thing going for it. Most people I know are just starting to hear about Twitter and are beginning to use it. I'm in Twitter, now FF and moving to use Identi.ca and others. The landscape changes fast...but I think Twitter will be the most used of the group and most popular. - Geoff Peterson

I'm fed up trying stuff before others. I'll stick to twitter for the time being - Graham Lawrence

gah the endless FF vs twitter debate, first and foremost FF wasn't about taking on twitter it was about cramming all your social network feeds into one place, then suddenly it was the next google, and now its the next twitter - Dan Rockwell from twhirl

maybe its just me but it sure seems like some folks comment on friendfeed w/out actually reading the post - this was not a ff replacing twitter related post it was about bootstrapping in general and the rapid scaling effect of ff bootstrapping off of twitter, much like podcasting off of blogging - this blind commenting does the original poster a disservice & labels you as a *chose your favorite expletive* - nice post btw dave :) - mike "glemak" dunn

It might grow faster than Twitter, but it's another thing entirely. Twitter is all about communicating; FriendFeed is about sharing. It's similar, but not the same. Also FriendFeed is doing the Plurk thing: receiving the Twitter refugees while those guys finally iron out the kinks and get Twitter up and running once and for friggin' all. - Juan Carlo Rodríguez

If I end up buying a 3G IPhone soon, I guess FriendFeed will be a lot more useful then it is to me now, on my TMobile Sidekick Slide. I can still get something out of FF on a Sidekick - but can't interact or comment from there and FF doesn't seem to have a mobile site, just a IPHone site. - Marshall Sponder

marshall - fftogo.com rocks - mike "glemak" dunn

Am I the only one who hates Twitter & loves FriendFeed? - ChaCha Fance

I love them both! - Mack D. Male

I love Twitter like you love an abusive girlfriend -- you know it's not going to work out, but you really wish it would, and you *do* love her... - John Biesnecker

I'm happy... Dave winer what is your thoughts on this? http://identi.ca/noahdav... - Noah David Simon

LOL @ John B -> http://twitter.com/rahshee... - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

@Rahsheen Haha, great minds think alike, eh? :) - John Biesnecker

I can out plug all of you Beee aaaaahs! - Noah David Simon

FriendFeed seems to have more potential than twitter. - Jun Labao

justine

Twitter vs Friendfeed - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...

July 6, 2008 from Tasty Blog Snack - Comment - Like - Share

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We share the same feelings for plurk! Hahaha - Rom Feria

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I don't care for plurk at all, and I don't believe either Twitter or FriendFeed will ever make it mainstream a la Facebook or MySpace. Call me cynical, but I just don't see the value for a non-tech person to microblog. - Granteezy

How can you say that Twitter will never make it mainstream when it has already been featured in every major news paper, several news shows and not to mention all of the major organizations/businesses that are beginning to use it. - John Barker

I'm really wanting to like Plurk, but they are making it very very difficult. And personally, if I could get my friends over to FriendFeed I'd have dropped twitter already. but until ff gets the mobile aspect nailed (SMS) they are not going to budge. - Russell Holliman

I didn't say it wouldn't make it mainstream.. I was more implying that friendfeed would have a more difficult time than twitter. Twitter has an upperhand for sure :) - justine

Only just managed to get a whole bunch of friends to sign up to Twitter, i dont think i'll have much joy getting them to sign up for friend feed as well. So Twitters still the win for me. - Simon Wicks

I'm non-tech (I'm a journalist) and I cry aloud every time Twitter is down. Plurk is fun, but I always feel it wants my soul. But yes, if you're not web-friendly, it'll be hard to be mainstream. - Juan Carlo Rodríguez

I think Twitter will be the site to emerge out of the pack - the one that is used by not only the tech-saavy, but others outside our bubble as well. If my Dad who is 60 is asking "what is this Twitter I keep hearing about" then you know it's getting lots of press and driving people to check it out. Plurk is my least favorite - so far - of the bunch. I like Twitter and FriendFeed alot. Outside that, I'm kicking tires and checking them out. - Geoff Peterson

@justine my comment was more directed at @Granteezy. :P - John Barker

The great thing about friendfeed, I think, is that it doesn't matter much who "wins" -- twitter winds up providing content for friendfeed anyway, either via twitter users signing up or the use of imaginary friends. (It does have an unfortunate blind spot for locked feeds -- I wish it could authenticate as me to get those, but oh well.) - R. Francis Smith

The imaginary friend thing is pretty awesome, I must admit :) - justine

"which site would you have joined first: twitter or FriendFeed?" Actually, I only joined twitter so I could add it to my Friendfeed. :) I must agree with Granteezy, I don't think they will be AS mainstream as MySpace and Facebook. - Alejandro

Funny how Plurk seems to have removed the option to delete an account. Maybe too many of us left when the novelty wore off and they don't want anyone to notice. - Guillermo Esteves

Plurk removed the option to delete your account??? Really? - justine

That, or they changed it so I need a trillion karma before they’ll let me use it :) - Guillermo Esteves

Plurko - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

@Simon getting friends to sign up is easy. Getting them to actually use it regularly is a different thing! - Rahul Das

Bah, who cares? - Jim Kukral from twhirl

No idea! - justine

Kevin Rose

I get FriendFeed now, a single location to have a conversation around my media/web participation - friend me: http://friendfeed.com/kevinro...

July 8, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Good to see you joining the rest of civilization now! - Damien Franco

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I added you... welcome aboard - Todd Loren Sinclair

Welcome all, thanks for adding me. - Kevin Rose

Are we going to see another FF addict soon? - Winston Teo

Some of the a-listers keep saying FF is the death of twitter - but they seem to work well together. I'll keep playing with both. - Mike

Welcome on board, Mr Digger! - SurajLuke

Added you on FF days ago. Welcome aboard! :) - Mike Abundo

Added you a while back, welcome to the conversation. - maxim shevertalov

I can't figure out how to get my comments to post to Twitter... How'd you do it? - Jeff Kopp

Dugg! Whoops - wrong web site. :) - Mike Doeff

Glad to be following you :D - Chris

I think you'll find though that FF is just to cluttered to be useful... - Auburn Elite

i am STILL trying to "get it" - djp

Welcome to the... torrent, for lack of a better word :) - Robyn Miller

Hey Robyn! - Kyle Lacy

I added you two weeks ago. Guys and Gals - use the hide button to reduce the info overload. - Russellreno

yea I am trying to figure out how to make my friend feed posts go out to twitter - Jason Stephens

Jason: why? post to twitter and bring them in. - Kevin L

klecu: because then I have to leave friendfeed, I want to do everything in here...when I share I want it to go out to all my services too.... - Jason Stephens

exactly my point...I think it could be a twitter replacement though...i like posting to hear better then posting on twitter. I'd like the messages I share on here to go out to my twitter followers to help grow my subscriber list - Jason Stephens

So is it Ping.fm that does that (posts to Twitter) then, not FriendFeed? - Jeff Kopp

The method to comment and reply is much better on friendfeed, I think this definitly should either be bought by twitter or find a way to cross integrate them better. I see the option to "also send this comment as an @reply twitter from jpstephens" but thats not EXACTLY what I mean - Jason Stephens

Jason: I totally agree, if you can post out to all your socials then someone tell me how. If not, then FF should have the option or I smell yet another social network for social networks. ;) - Mark

You could try Mahalo share to post to a lot of your socials at once, but wouldn't this create a bit of a spam effect to FF if all of those socials are showing up here? Interested to hear comments from anyone with that experience, because of course you don't want to spam your FF friends, but not everyone is using FF... conundrum - Dave Earley

Glad you got it Kevin. Friendfeed lends it self to more engaging conversation and sharing. - Larry Kless

Problem is, you have to Friend back. :) - l0ckergn0me

Did Scoble block you for begging for followers? - Ryan Kuder

yeah there's real potential. but it's so damn hard to manage your friend list! same as with twitter - this is a huge barrier to the usability of the site. there should be a subscribe/unsubscribe button next to every post from anybody. - Mickipedia

ditto l0ckergn0me - MiniMage, sheeple of FF

Friendfeed is awesome Kev. Everything at your fingertips. - Vipin Chamakkala

This is a common refrain - people admitting that it takes them months to get FriendFeed. And for those of us who aren't honest enough to publicly admit this, it takes us months to use FriendFeed effectively. Is there a way to reduce this learning curve, so people can productively use FriendFeed from day 1? - Ontario Emperor from fftogo

There are all sorts of things they could do to improve FriendFeed. I guess we have to remember it is version 1.0 - Jonathan Beckett

haha me too - today. - gfox

There goes the freinderhood. - sage brennan

@Kevin, so u lost love 4 twitter too :) - Arjun

Twitter should be relegated to what it was originally intended and is good at. It's a status forum, not a communication forum. - ·[▪_▪]·

I got it and got blamed for saying it. - Franklin Naval

You don't get it Kevin unless you're willing to friend us back. I believe same goes for Twitter. Why add you to our community if you're not willing to listen to us? - Jesse Stay

So the question now is: Will Kevin friend us back? All of us? Or selective friending? - Winston Teo

Oh boy. Now he's hooked on the FF crack. Duck and cover FFrs - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

FFDugg it:) - Igor Poltavskiy

congrats - saee:Dsharif

First you have to unban me from Digg! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

welcome! - Chris Abad

Yea, welcome on Board Dude ;) Good to see you here ... - Martin Gommel

FriendFeed's concept does take a bit to grasp at first because we are sooo used to Twitter (uni-directional, broadcast communications tool) and FF is truly a multi-directional comm tool designed to illicit conversation around cool stuff you share via FF directly or thru nearly 50 Social Media "feeds" you can port over here. I love FF and have been super happy since I joined back in March! ;o). Glad you're here and having fun!! - Susan Beebe

I still don't get it. There seems to just be too much noise. I get crap from people I don't know and I'm not following. Every item that hits my feed and has any comments takes up stupid amounts of space so it's hard to scan through. Twitter is just light weight and simple, and in that way it's more effective. If you could have a 1 or 2 line summary for each item then it'd be great, but as it is it's cluttered and overpowering, and I only have 6 follows, I can't imagine what it's like with 100s - Mark Benson from twhirl

About time you showed up. Now I can remove your twitter's entry in my Imaginary Friend. Real handy feature to track non-adopters. - klaatu

I've explored every nook and cranny of Friendfeed now, grasped the interface and culture, and I am fairly certain that in its current incarnation it will catch on with only a very small percentage of Internet users. I have a fairly good track record in spotting major trends in Internet technology, and I don't think this is one. The main problem: way, way, way too much noise and... more... - Sean McBride

I like FF because you can have more conversations. I think the look/feel of FF needs some work though. Not enough easy ways to search and sort through. - Geoff Peterson

Sourcing and Recruiting: Jeff McCord

Looking for a job? Use Twitter! - http://www.jeffmccord.org/looking...

July 8, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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Nice post. I'm also using Twitter for recruiting as well. - Geoff Peterson

Sourcing and Recruiting: joneilortiz

Twellow :: Twitter Search Directory, Twitter Search Engine - http://www.twellow.com/

July 7, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Amazingly useful for sourcing. Tracks people by occupation/industry; extensive list of recruiters. - joneilortiz from Bookmarklet

Directory has potential. Twitter really needs something like this. - Geoff Peterson

Agreed. Twellow is overlooked, I think, because it's not a conversation aggregator, like Summize, but for sourcing it's probably more useful to aggregate the Twitterers themselves. - joneilortiz

Geoff Peterson

Twellow :: Twitter Search Directory, Twitter Search Engine - http://www.twellow.com/

July 8, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Just found out about this. Twitter search directory and search engine. Check it out. - Geoff Peterson from Bookmarklet

Robert Scoble

TweetDeck.com - Another Desktop Twitter Client - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...

July 7, 2008 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

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I'm using this and like it. I'm going to try it against several of the other popular ones and see which one survives. I stopped using clients because Twitter was down so much and because Twitter's API was just, well, barfing with my data flows. - Robert Scoble

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I really like the column view. I use it since two days now and it really makes it easier for me to stay on track, because I have different groups for different people and a few searches on special topics. - Sebastian Küpers

Everyone is talking about this now. - ChaCha Fance

It's the Sumize integration that rocks. Makes this the killer client. - Kevin Gamble

ok, let's try this one too... - Luca Filigheddu

For the italian audience, I commented the tweetdek interface here: http://blog.delbono.eu/2008... - Marcello Del Bono

I have to say that the Summize integration plus the ability to create groups is really cool - Luca Filigheddu

Yes, I agree with luca. Unfortunatley I can't help myself from being uncomfortable with the Air apps look & feel :( - Marcello Del Bono

Looks different from other twitter clients, with that column view, I'll give it a try - João Almeida

TweetDeck rocks! Louis brought it to my attention and I never looked back! Groups, Search, Summize integration, multi-panel view, and slick UI are awesome. Only beef: sucks a lot of memory, but that's sorta my fault for putting multiple searches / group queries in there - gotta tweak it some. Love it!!Se - Susan Beebe

I've officially ditched Twhirl for TweetDeck after using over the weekend. Needs tinyurl though. - Geoff Peterson

Looks promising, however I couldn't run it on PowerPC, the Air installer reports an error. - Ignacio Rodriguez de R,

The column layout is really, really helpful. But I'm missing tons of features from twhirl. Would love to see the column view as an option in twhirl. - Johannes Kleske

One of the columns could be FriendFeed - João Almeida

This could be much cooler if each column could be a different feed, it could be the all in one desktop aggregator. Friendfeed column at the very minimum is almost a necessity with Twitter's issues. - Greg Hollingsworth from twhirl

Looks really promising. I don't like that it requires too much space on my screen, but this is easy to get fixed. And I have already suggested quite a few new features. - Alex Popescu from feedalizr

i'm hardly using twitter thes days, but this is a neat app. much better than most of the other clients i've used including my favorite, twhirl - Cee Bee

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"Digg" Your Way to New Recruiting Sources - http://digg.com/busines...

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"This is an article from www.staffbytes.com that explains in some detail how to best use Digg if you are a recruiter or internet sourcer. Digg really opens new creatives paths to pursue." - Geoff Peterson

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Video Tutorial: Increase Your LinkedIn Network By Thousands - http://digg.com/busines...

January 10, 2008 from Digg - Comment - Like - Share

"This is a great free video for anyone to check out on how to really build up a strong and LARGE network out on LinkedIn, the popular business networking tool online. Also check out www.staffbytes.com for more on LinkedIn and social as well as business networks." - Geoff Peterson

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