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Reverse Mounting Your Prime Lenses for Affordable Macro Photography - http://digital-photography-school.com/reverse...
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"Since purchasing my 50mm prime lens a few years back, I’ve felt like a salesman for it ever since–always telling people how sharp, compact and versatile the little bugger is. Well I have one more reason to recommend it. If you mount this lens in reverse on your camera, i.e. flip it around backwards, you get an affordable and fun way to experiment with macro photography. At a little over $9, I found an off-brand 52mm reverse adapter perfect for my 50mm 1.8 and 1.4 lenses. I took it out for a spin at the National Botanical Gardens. Here are my thoughts and experiences with this fun lens accessory."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Wow. Does that really work...?
- Rochelle
It works great! Sometimes, however (depending on make of body) you have to fool your camera into realizing there's a lens attached.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
I tried it a long time ago and couldn't get it to work but that was instructions for a Canon. This appears to be for a Nikon so I might give it another go. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
OK, cool. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Crazy. Akiva has two prime lenses and a Nikon. Perhaps I can have him give it a shot.
- Rochelle
"Does that really work" - reversing rings have been around for decades. There are differences in sharpness and DOF, but as an inexpensive substitute it can work.
- John Craft
Another thing to remember...your lens will be completely manual. So go out, get the $9 ring. I got an old manual 1.4 50mm prime for $10. For $19 I can afford to fail. I use Sony DSLRs, so finding the Konika/Minolta lenses? Cake.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
This is great it sure beats holding the lens backwards. :)
- Bluesun 2600
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Sharon McPherson, Micah Jefferson, Glen Group and 3 other people liked this
This is a very cool idea.
- Jane Quigley
Isn't this just one rung up from wearing a replica soccer team shirt?
- Gilbert Harding
My Photography Workflow 2009 - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Jérôme, Tristan Seligmann, graywolf and 163 other people liked this
Thanks for sharing!
- Scott Loftesness
Awesome, thank you Thomas!
- Holger Eilhard
Interesting differences on how I use to do it. I usually copy the photos of the CF card to my desktop, geotag them (either automatically using an Amod GPS logger and GPSPhotoLinker or - just like you - manually with Geotagger - thanks to @craigstanton for that btw) then import them using Lightroom and apply some keywords during that step. From there it's pick, edit, output, upload.
- Holger Eilhard
Nice thank you for sharing, cool read.
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
Thanks for sharing. I didn't know about Pro Photo Tools - I'll have to look into it.
- John (bird whisperer)
Holger, I don't geotag first because 85% of my photos or so I never finish or publish. It would be too much unnecessary work to geotag everything for me. I suppose if the entire shoot was at one location this might be preferable, but frequently I'm walking around a lot and don't want to do any more keywording and geotagging than I have to.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, have you ever considered getting a logger that you carry around to ease that process? Or using the - well, pretty expensive - automatic Canon solution in form of that WFT battery grip?
- Holger Eilhard
Holger, I have thought about that and will probably end up doing that in the end. I'm not crazy about having to use the battery grip with my 5D M2, which is already very heavy and bulky and I'm also not crazy about having to synch up software and my images later with an external unit. Most likely though I'd expect to begin using the Canon solution (probably within the next year) on walks where I'm moving around alot and not using it for single location shoots which are easier to mass geotag.
- Thomas Hawk
I know there are GPS units for Nikons that sit on the flash shoe and are pretty low profile. That might work better than a battery grip. Excellent post, by the way.
- Ken Davidson
I hope Canon will release a cheaper solution to solve that problem. Getting an 700 Euro BG + 100 Euro GPS receiver isn't really the way I like... The Nikon thing is just ~200 Euro and gets the job done.
- Holger Eilhard
Ken, for Canon there's only the battery grip (wireless file transmitter, not the regular BG) which allows you to plug in a GPS receiver...
- Holger Eilhard
Thanks for sharing this. Was wondering why you don't keyword before you export the .jpgs. Also, since you don't mention DNG, I'm assuming you don't use it. Was wondering what your thoughts were on DNG.
- Andy Roth
Andy, I suppose I could keyword before I export. I'm not sure what I really gain from that though. I suppose I like keywording later because I can get my developing done faster on individual images and export them out --that way I can begin seeing processed photos on my screensaver faster. This way if there blemishes I can still fix them.
- Thomas Hawk
The advantage is, if you keyword before you export, both the RAW files and the .jpgs will contain the keywords.
- Andy Roth
As far as DNG, I've never felt like I get much from that over RAW. As the photos are already RAW it seems unnecessary to do an additional conversion to DNG when I don't really understand the value of that format other than it is a more open format than Canon's proprietary RAW format. Personally I think that I'll always have a way to access those Canon files or at least have access to a...
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- Thomas Hawk
In terms of keywording RAW files, I guess I haven't really seen the value there when the exact same image is keyworded in JPG. It's pretty simple for me to search for a JPG file either on my hard drive or on Flickr/Zooomr and simply refer to the date in the metadata if I need to find the original RAW file, but I suppose whether you keyword before export or after export really is simply a matter of personal preference.
- Thomas Hawk
Interesting that you use the Canon Camera Window for downloading. You may be the first pro I've run into who depends on it, but it makes sense.
- Nick Savides
Nick, it's just super easy and reliable and gets the job done. There may in fact be better ways of doing it but it's probably one of those things that because it's not broke, why fix it. If I saw tangible evidence towards a better way to offload photos I'd certainly consider it. For a while I was annoyed that Camera Window would auto start Canon's processing software after it finished transferring the files, but then I just deleted that software and it stopped autoloading.
- Thomas Hawk
the other thing about Camera Window is that it's lighter than Lightroom and takes less memory/resources. So if I'm out on a shoot and take a coffee break for a few minutes to offload files I don't need to boot up Lightroom necessarily. Normally under that scenario I just want to get the images off my card as quick and fast as possible. It does mean that later I need to synch the folders with Lightroom but that's not really a big deal for me.
- Thomas Hawk
I liked your thoughts on using A and B folders to order your uploads. I've been doing that for a while, but in general I got tired of the manual upload process. I figured time could be saved by automating this, so I wrote a script that runs each day and chooses random A and B pictures to upload via the Flickr API. Once they're up. they are removed from the A and B folders. I never miss a day uploading, and it keeps me motivated to replenish those upload queues.
- Tom Harrison
Great TH! More stuff for me to change. In the process I realized how out of date my workflow posts are. Time to update them methinks! http://www.phillprice.com/index...
- Phill Price
Tom that sounds like an excellent way to automate thing and establishes your geek cred at a much higher level than mine. ;) I'd have no idea how to do a script for that. I actually like the manual process though as I can determine the exact order that they are to be uploaded in while looking at them.
- Thomas Hawk
Haha, yeah Computer Science nerd here. I might publish the script at some point.
- Tom Harrison
10 TB of photos is a _LOT_. I hope to one day get there but I my D40 doesn't make big enough RAW files. :) How do you search across all those images? Is there software reliable and powerful enough to not choke on that much data? I wish I could buy some sort of white label Flickr for this purpose.
- EricaJoy
(I just use pixelpipe to upload from LR or if a delayed post I send a delayed email (through pixelpipe) - it posts to phillprice.com automatically (through my own WP plugin) when there's a new photos with the same title in all four places (smugmug, ipernity, zooomr, flickr) then th fave and comment grabbing comes in too; bliss!
- Phill Price
Nice write up TH and well explained. Your process is almost identical to my current process except for a few minor things such as your geo tagging processes.
- Justin Korn
Thomas - thanks for sharing; both your workflow and your photos. We mere photographic mortals can only aspire to your throughput, but sharing elements of the workflow lets us feel just a bit closer to the bar you're setting.
- Rob Kramer
As a side note - fiddling w/ LR means it now rather handily imports photos off the memory card, and drops into folders organised and named by date, which works great for organising. Also, Jeffrey Friedl's got a great series of plugins that export to Flickr (and Facebook, among others) with the bonus that a metadata field for 'uploaded to' either service is marked yes or no - another option for keeping track of what's been published.
- Rob Kramer
Yes thanks for sharing. This technical stuff is always very intriguing. Here's an interesting question - how much awareness do you have of what's in your photo library and where it is? I'm thinking about my own library of about 13,000 images of which 4,300 have been processed and I can still usually see a photo and know when and where it was taken. I'm wondering at what point that starts to become more difficult. Or does one never lose track much?
- Tom Harrison
I don't know how he did it, but it's amazing
- Ikaro
...great share @THawk!
- .LAG liked that
You shoot so many photos I'm surprised you're manually geo-tagging photos the way you are. I would recommend a more automated method. I run a little app on my iPhone 3G called Trails which records my movements as I do a photowalk. It records a number of way points along the way and in the end you end up with a GPX file. Jeff Friedl has a cool little plugin for Lightroom...
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- Kenny Louie
Simple, yet effective. Inspiring for me to get up to speed
- Bruno Raymond
Thanks for doing this Thomas. Always useful to share and understand workflows regardless of the topic.
- Mark Krynsky
Thank you for sharing. How do you carry your stuff all day? Backpack? Bags? I know that having the camera with you full time it's the rule no. 1 but I believe it must be really tiring. When I go shooting I always try to limit as much as possible the extra lenses I take with me, just to be more free and comfortable.
- ialla
Interesting article about your workflow. About DNG there is one huge advantage in my opinion. You keep all your metadata in one single file and get rid of the sidecars. The main disadvantage is the time it takes to convert the RAW-files to DNG. Otherwise I work very much like you except that I use Lightroom for import and HoudahGeo for geotagging.
- Håkan Dahlström
Thanks for sharing this Thomas, I am actually thinking of implementing part of your workflow in mine. I think I have really come to a point now wehere I have to start thinking about my own personal workflow very seriously. One question: Do you delete all unflagged photos afetr your LR Session?
- Alexander Kesselaar
thawk, great post. and some great comments. 1) you should consider releasing your lightroom development presets (like Matt does http://www.lightroomkillertips.com/archive... ) 2) in order to get the flickr pics onto my blog (using BlogEngine.net), i wrote a little extension that grabs the latest, formats them in a "lightbox". AutoFlickr. that saves me lots of copy&pasting. http://autoflickr.codeplex.com/ demo--> http://webguide.hopto.org/autofli...
- big luzer
ialia, I use a Lowepro camera backpack (the CompuDayPak) that goes with me everywhere every day. Erica, I often will use Flickr or Zooomr to search for photos by tags and then look at the date of the image and go to that folder when need be. Sometimes I'll use desktop search if I can't find an image, but it seems to be slower.
- Thomas Hawk
As for geotagging: Wouldn't it be nice if I could correlate my 'date + time taken' data in my picture with my iPhone GPS information? How close would you have to synchronize the clocks to get a reasonably accurate stamp...?
- Charlie Owen
Crap. Kenny Louie said above you can already do this. Amazing.
- Charlie Owen
Thomas, great, same backpack as I have. Still weighs I lot though...
- ialla
And behind the scenes...All this takes a very very long time so it is peppered with brief gasps for air, hugs & kisses for his wife whenever he comes w/in 3 ft, playing hoops with the 2 boys, reading to all 4 children, providing guidance on homework & conflict resolution, pouring his wife a glass of wine nightly followed by a foot rub & netflix to coax her to sleep so he can continue...
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- Mrsth
@Mrsth: I can totally imagine that whole scene in my head. Incredible. :)
- Bryan Villarin
Thomas, I would love to know your secrets on time management...I honestly don't see how you can do it all and still have a full time job to boot! Whew! @Mrsth I am impressed!
- Susan Dennis
RT @brandonuttley: Interesting visual chart on how to use Twitter: http://applicant.com/wp-cont...
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If you are in PR or work in a corp environment or are consulting for brands, check out the new vid on GV.com http://garyvaynerchuk.com/post...
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Handy--TED Talk links on one Google Spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub... RT @joycevalenza RT @mrsills
Daniel Rowley, Anthony K. Valley ©, Jérôme and 21 other people liked this
This link must be spread ... thanks a bunch :)
- Shriram R
How do I d'load this spreadsheet ?
- Shriram R
Shriram: Don't know of any way to download it as a spreadsheet, but if your browser allow (or you have a plugin to do it), you could save the page as a PDF. You'd lose the live links, though.
- Mark Traphagen
You can copy and paste the info into a new Google spreadsheet (that you own), though I'd recommend doing this 20-30 lines at a time. A minor pain, but I'm guessing it'd take <10 minutes to do :)
- Adam Lasnik
Enhancing The New FriendFeed Beta With Greasemonkey - http://www.jeffisageek.net/blog...
Damond Nollan, Glen Group, Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart and 4 other people liked this
um wow. really flattered (and psyched) to read this. http://www.businessweek.com/the_thr... NOTHING feels better than someone "getting" your ideas.
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Gillmor Gang 04.06.09 - http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/2009...
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The Gillmor Gang - Michael Arrington, Leo Laporte, Robert Scoble, Kevin Marks, Andrew Keen and Dan Farber - talk about FriendFeed 2.0 with Paul Buchheit. Recorded Monday, April 6, 2009.
- Steve Gillmor
Just beware the anger.
- Shawn Thompson
Beware the anger?
- Paul Jacobson
Paul: First it's Arrington vs. FriendFeed, then Arrington vs. Scoble/FriendFeed, then FriendFeeders vs. Arrington, then Keen piles on... in other words, pretty typical GG ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
This is tomorrows commute for sure!
- Ken Morley
Ah, excellent! Familiar old names. But who is this Arrington newbie?
- Richard Carter, FCD
Paul: it was a great conversation. Wondering if you have any plans of posting to an identica install the same way I can cc to my twitter account. Is there a reason that this is not implemented? Every time you talk about multiple messaging platforms it gets me thinking about identica and FF playing well together.
- Christian Burns
This is an interesting discussion to me because I've noticed that twitter is becoming or has become a micro messaging platform. Friendfeed seems more for a power user type that understands RSS and feed technologies. Twitter is dead simple, and allows anyone to get on and start. Twitter is for dummies. But also very interesting is the flexibility of Twitter and how pseudo standards like @username and #hashtags are developing.
- John Wright
Really a terrific discussion. And it took place on FF,in the Twit chat room, and on the video/phone simultaneously.
- Francine Hardaway
Is Gillmor a friendfeed investor? Seriously, how many Gilmor Gang episodes can you discuss friendfeed?
- JustAFeed2000
Techboy2000: Steve's interest is in restoring Track. It's that simple. It has nothing to do with Twitter or Friendfeed.
- Christian Burns
just finished listening... excellent discussion and congrats Paul + team!
- Jay
Great conversation! Arrington and Keen are maddening and seem out of touch. Agree with Leo that Twitter will be the AOL of this new social ecosystem. Twitter's early success means that they are now stuck where they are. They can't afford to add any complexity without confusing their existing user base. They are what they are, and FriendFeed is something else.
- Ken Morley
I listened to this episode an hour or two ago and I was dumbfounded how closed minded Andrew Keen is and how fixated Michael Arrington is on Twitter. Twitter is successful but FriendFeed has a lot to offer. It is unfair to declare Twitter the runaway winner and that there is no point for anything else, including FriendFeed. It is a bit like this American fixation on the iPhone as the best thing since the Internet. There is a big world out there.
- Paul Jacobson
To be fair to Andrew, I believe it's only been in the last month or two that he's bought into Twitter, and now people are trying to sell him on "the next big thing". He's come a long way from "The twits are twittering on Twitter" http://blogs.zdnet.com/keen...
- Ken Sheppardson
I didn't get the sense that Andrew Keen had used FriendFeed very much. Arrington either for that matter. They seemed to not understand some reasonably basic FriendFeed functionality, like being able to forward FF posts to Twitter.
- Thomas Hawk
I had the same sense, Thomas. Kinda like when you hear a movie critic and wonder if he saw the same movie you did.
- Mark Traphagen
The way that Friendfeed works allows it to do the heavy lifting, filters, conversation, realtime, direct messages to groups. It adds value to Twitter, but can still stand on it's own. Mike did have some good points, as did Andrew from were they are standing the spoke the truth. It's just that life is better for us standing here.
- Christian Burns
"Is FriendFeed a Twitter client"?! *With* FF, everything is. delicious. GReader. Flickr. EVERYthing with a feed.
- Denise Howell
I listened to this today and really enjoyed it. It felt like Arrington was much more focused on things like market share, whereas Paul (and to some extent Steve and Leo) is really looking at a much bigger picture: where is the web and digital communication going? Paul seems to have the luxury of just wanting to be part of faciliating a new form of communication - he doesn't need to assure fthat his company will be at the forefront of the revolution, just that the revolution takes place.
- Laura Norvig
Single WTF with Cheese - http://rattipillo.tumblr.com/page...
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@nancysclark Can we get one to replace the "Fatboy"?
- Glen Group
President Obama's Surprise Visit with the Troops in Iraq - http://my.barackobama.com/page...
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FriendFeed Blog: Find more with FriendFeed Search - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Jim Swi...., timepilot, Jorg Jansen and 113 other people liked this
"Searching is now faster and more reliable, and we added a number of useful advanced search features." You can search for entries with a minimum number of comments, or search for entries liked by a specific person. Very cool. Great job, Jim and Ben!
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Awesome!
- Robert Scoble
Try it out here: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Bret Taylor
it work not correctly for persian language
- Mil∂d
Have you tested Twingly's microblog search feature?
- Martin Lindeskog
Mil∂d: Thanks, we will look into it ASAP.
- Bret Taylor
A friend of mine: "we also need a calender to search specific dates"
- Eren Emre Kanal
Yes date criteria (maybe even time) would be nice
- Brian Sullivan
very kool. i will be putting those advance search operators to good use. thanks guys.
- Carlos Ayala
Sweet! Looking forward to checking that out.
- Jandy
No RSS or Atom feeds for searches? At least no obvious links.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: From Daniel Sims: Robert: to get an RSS feed, append &format=atom to the end of the url after doing a search.
- Robert Scoble
finally!
- Tyler (Chacha)
You might be able to get a RSS just by pasting in the URL and seeing if it can find it
- Tyler (Chacha)
Are you going to add a link to the advanced search next to the search box in the header at the top of the page?
- J Allen
If you are using Firefox you can get the RSS feed from the address bar.. if not just append &format=atom to the end of the search URL
- andy brudtkuhl
Loving... will post a suggestion to FriendFeed Feedback room http://friendfeed.com/rooms... for order-by functionality (order by likes descending could be amazing, vs. current date ordering)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Mil∂d: That "auth" argument in the URL you posted (which I deleted) is private to you. We prevent it from being indexed, but put it there so you can read private feeds in feed readers.
- Bret Taylor
Still no backlinks search, or is there? I would like to search for "http: //blog.friendfeed.com/2009/02/find-more-with-friendfeed-search.html" and get all results where someone links to that.
- Philipp Lenssen
I love the 'specific people' example tip: 'a nickname, like "scobleizer"'
- Chris Lamprecht
I forsee a major bumpage of old threads to happen from this.
- Mr. Gunn
Can anyone tell me what this was about? It appears to be the most commented upon item. http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Mr. Gunn
Mil∂d, we made an update that should fix search for languages. Please let us know if you're still having trouble.
- Dan Hsiao
it work's correctly now (in persian language) thanks bret and Dan
- Mil∂d
how about adding the best of day, week, month to regular search pages as well?
- Thomas Hawk
How Gmail destroyed Outlook. - By Farhad Manjoo - Slate Magazine - http://www.slate.com/id...
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"As of this week, Gmail has reached perfection." Now maybe they can take it out of Beta :)
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
I thought Beta was part of the product name, Paul. :-)
- Louis Gray
That's the only logical explanation.
- Paul Buchheit
No, Gmail's not in beta. Google is. That's why the logo clearly reads "Gmail(TM) by Google BETA"
- Kevin Fox
Boo. :)
- Randy Holloway
from twhirl
We have Google Apps at work, but my boss is a Microsoft guru and LOVES Outlook. I LOVE Gmail, so I've resisted most of his attempts to get me to pop Gmail down to Outlook. It's a battle every day. :)
- Jandy
I use the Mail.app in Mac, but everything stays on the server.
- Aaron Hood
Mail.app <3
- "Joey"
Not sure I understand this debate. I use Mail.app to access my Google hosted mail via IMAP. Best of both worlds and Google in no way "destroys" my use of Mail.app. I presume Outlook could do the same.
- Nick in Manila
I love Gmail, but they still need better integration with other apps/platforms. For example, Google contacts needs to sync directly (and for free) with iPhone/iTunes, salesforce.com, etc.
- Peter Ghosh
@Kevin - They're going to rename the company to Google BETA, Inc soon? ;)
- Tyson Key
Sorry, I meant Google Calendar, not contacts . . .
- Peter Ghosh
Gmail is a great consumer webmail, but in no way "destroys" Outlook. How does Gmail allow me to book conference rooms, or recall errant emails, or follow SOX retention policies? Both have their place and are leaders in their own area, but one does not supplant the other.
- Ryan
Great writeup on Gmail.
- Mike Reynolds
gold master gmail!
- MG Siegler
one huge reason why Microsoft HATES Google, outlook is just one of the major pay for software offerings by MS that are being eroded in market share due to Google
- sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!
Comparing GMail to Outlook is like comparing Apples to Fruit Salad. :) They're not the same, even if they overlap on a few features.
- Kenneth LeFebvre
I would guess that Gmail is likely destroying Hotmail -- Outlook not so much. Still reason for Microsoft to be pissed at Google though.
- Brian Sullivan
@psghosh, GCalendar has started syncing with iCal for some time now - check google's help for this: http://www.google.com/support...
- Peter Fedin
Creative Destruction - good news for the public!
- GlennIsaac
If you're not using Exchange, sure, gmail's a killer.
- Mr. Gunn
Well done article.
- Micah
I turned my tom(at)thomashawk.com email address over to gmail and I have to say that the reduction in spam is nothing short of remarkable. Every now and then I check the spam file and feel bad because real email gets trapped in there, but by and large it's awesome.
- Thomas Hawk
Feels like I'm preaching to the choir here but have been using gmail in one form or another since almost the beginning. After spending years using mac mail to consolidate accounts went full gmail a few months ago because it just works better and the extras are great. Don't see how anybody can top it. The only other one I've tried which shows some potential is zenbe.com.
- Mike Elliott
Agreed
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Gmail rocks! Once you start using it there's no going back. Two niggles though: Multiple signatures and blind group mailings, please!
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
Gmail seems great at first - but recently, I have seen several messages disappear from my Inbox while I watch. Sometimes they reappear next time I check - sometimes not. Searching for reports of Gmail eating messages turns up a disturbingly high number of hits. Destroys Outlook? Maybe. Destroys messages? Yes. Not good enough, even for a free service! What use is 7 Gb of space - when it isn't 7 Gb of *reliable* space?
- James
from twhirl
so gmail finally has complete windows compatible keyboard macros, syncs my to my mobile phones, I can do my mailings with them, has an integrated crm system, and more? great. </sarcasm> (and I say this as an avid gmail user ...)
- Nicole Simon
Switched to Gmail from Outlook and never looked back.
- Roberto Bonini
didn't Bucheit invent Gmail according to Louis G? The opening shot in the downfall of Microsoft...?
- sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!
He was on the team, yes - and did the prototype for the Gmail Ads, i belive. Don't be modest Paul.
- Roberto Bonini
As much as I love gmail (I've got several accounts), I couldn't use it an office environment yet. Want to covert an email to an appointment or task just drag it to the calendar or task list in Outlook. Outlook also has search folders so I can set up folders for emails I got today. I know there are GreaseMonkey extensions to support search folders but Gmail's date searching is just crummy.
- Andy Davies
I wish people would stop killing the aps I use...I hate that.
- John D Reasor
Dukeswharf: POP/IMAP> Thunderbird> Enigmail (PGP) = offline+security+no ads (but no "new" features)
- coldbrew
Nice. I still have more trust in self-administered PKI; is that naive? Are they using asymmetric or symmetric crypto?
- coldbrew
Outlook destroyed Outlook the way MS destroys it's other products (and I have been an Outlook fan since '97): it became bloated and slow.
- Peter Ghosh
I'll still use thunderbird since I have to centralize many different mail accounts (and want them to be clearly separated), but I must admit that Gmail made a good point here :-)
- stanjourdan
Jourdan: Do you use PGP? We should have a key-signing party room on FF. Maybe I'll make one now...
- coldbrew
Gmail is far from destroying Outlook. I still have to use Outlook for plenty of things. It is just a different tool. Feature by feature Google is way way behind Outlook.
- Patrick Allmond
Gmail is the small business solution. Major corporations are way too private to be communicating outside the Outlook box. Yet Outlook has been shown in the past to have vulnerabilities. Security is less of an issue with smaller databases. Suits prefer the worn path, the grey rut.
- Phil Boiarski
Sorry, I meant gmail's encryption. I don't think it has any PKI option. does it?
- coldbrew
I don't understand that argument, Mark. By the same logic, Google couldn't be anything more than a niche search provider because nobody would trust a search engine that everyone uses.
- Kevin Fox
"When Outlook fails on one computer, only one computer and one user is affected." Right, because a software vulnerability in Outlook is programmed and rolled out on a per customer basis.
- virtually
There's just no way I'll use email software that uses the one-message-per-row paradigm again. The productivity gains from Conversations are just enormous.
- jakebf
@mark: that's entirely true, if kind of a moot point based on the probability. If visa went down tomorrow, nobody would be able to pay for much of anything. If Comcast went down, most of us would have no internet connection. It's clearly your prerogative to run all your own software infrastructure, but I'd rather have the convenience of web based software.
- Joel Webber
A lot of commentators are discussing chalk and cheese. Outlook is an email CLIENT / Application. GMail is another Client / Application. How you use each one is entirely up to each user. Most non-technical people think of Gmail as something they access via their browsers, whereas Outlook is a Microsoft Application that runs on their PC. Not entirely true. you can access GMail servers using any client (Outlook/Thunderbird).
- Chris Wright
from twhirl
Gmail+Gcal is an Outlook killer, no doubt about it. The day Gcal started sending SMS to my mobile with the reminders it also killed my old Palm Treo.
- Jordi Soler
What Gmail does is make using Email for the normal non techie person easy. The reality is most home users do not use the power of Ouitlook. The issue with Gmail is good lick syncing a pda or smart phone to it it works well for the calendar but not for contacts. Also Gmail does not give you an e asy way to store messages in tact offliine. Outlook has a PST file for offline storage and backup.
- Rob Cairns
As has been touched on in this thread. Gmail and Outlook are largely orthogonal. Outlook is a client. Gmail is a mail provider with a client. You can use Outlook with Gmail or another mail provider, but either way if that provider goes belly-up you're going to stop getting your mail for a bit. If you're concerned about your mail archives being hosted with someone else, then you should keep a local copy using a POP client, no matter what mail provider you happen to put your trust in.
- Kevin Fox
I went from using internal gmail at google to using Outlook at my new job, and while I think there are good things and bad things about the two platforms, I miss the speed and portability of gmail, but I like some the task/calendar features in Outlook. If I had my druthers, I'd use gmail.
- Ginger Makela Riker
"Gmail+Gcal is an Outlook killer, no doubt about it." Afraid not, Jordi, because GMail Contacts is a big ol' steaming cup of FAIL. When Google gets their act together on Contacts, then Outlook will be threatened.
- John Craft
Outlook is a platform for working with "items"... countless times I have dropped into the built-in macro language to do things with my email, tasks, appointments, contacts, etc., that I could never do with a webmail application like Gmail. I wish I could stop using it, because I'll admit it's a hog on resources, but there is no alternative that will do EXACTLY what I want to do like Outlook will with my custom scripts in it. :)
- Kenneth LeFebvre
GMail via a web browser is just using IMAP to access/control the mail on the mail server. You can set up Outlook/Thunderbird to access GMail using IMAP. It would be more accurate to say that using the GMail web interface has reduced the number of people using other client applications for accessing their email.
- Chris Wright
Why are people comparing apples with oranges here? Client vs service? Thunderbird may beat Outlook, but not Gmail itself. I do recognize the web client is good, but is not nearly as flexible as a standalone. Plus, as has been mentioned by others, I need multiple account processing. Gmail fails at this. Gmail will remain my service of choice in the end. Tbird at home, Outlook at work.
- Vince DeGeorge
@Vince, GMail does support multiple accounts, see http://mail.google.com/support...
- Shakeel Mahate
@Enver: One example is automatically filling out my weekly timesheet from my calendar. Another example is automatically searching our company's online directory to grab mugshots for all my contacts, so I have their pictures to help me remember who's who... :) This is why I say Outlook is a *platform*. It seems to me that it would be an extraordinary amount of work to use something like Greasemonkey to actually add significant new functionality into Gmail, rather than just enhancing the user experience.
- Kenneth LeFebvre
BTW, I'm not knocking Gmail. I actually use it to host my own email domain... I'm just making the case that it's not an apples-to-apples comparison to put Gmail and Outlook in the same category.
- Kenneth LeFebvre
Hotmail offline access has been available for over a year now with Windows Live Mail client. Can't make out why the same feature for Gmail is that exciting. They are not the first one to enable this feature. Zoho and Hotmail has been having these for a long time.
- Amar Shah
Gmail rocks... hate when some old relatives still write to my hotmail and I gotta go in there to get it, just because microsoft won't allow automatic forward to gmail.
- Peter Efland
How blogging was born (by Hugh Macleod) - http://www.gapingvoid.com/
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i think this has been shared on here before...but am sharing it again all the same...
- Zee.
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- romanzolotarev
I think Hugh could update this cartoon and use Twitter or FriendFeed instead of blogging -- would work just as well.
- Brian Sullivan
I am so gonna blog this.
- Steven Perez
brilliant!
- MicahBear78
It came from Dave Winer's Sripting News. He posted it yesterday.
- Jordi Soler
Dave Winer posted this yesterday? I didn't realize. I just got it from the above mentioned site. I would have linked from there if I'd seen it there.
- Zee.
Best email today: "and expert on these particular tonics" vs "topics" Or, should we get our Martini's on right now?
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Seth Godin on social networking and small business - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Seth just said all friending people on superficial social networks is just a waste of time, anybody?? OK I'm going now.:-)
- Jason
Wish I could hear that. :(
- Rob Sellen :o)
I respect Seths opinion most times. Not this time around though.
- Mo Kargas
What does he say?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Friending for friending's sake is a mistake but I still don't think Seth groks social media. Tribes? Nope. Maybe in 2003 but our attention has been permanently fractured making a Tribe somewhat outdated IMO.
- AJ Kohn
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