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Happily paying my taxes today. I appreciate the opportunities I have been given in this great country and honor our social contract. #teabag
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I got to pay taxes for the first time today, a whole $74 worth!!!
- Zack
I paid my taxes early to just get it out of the way
- Chris Strange
The older I get, the more refunds I get. It's kinda weird, but the child + mortgage credits work out in my favor.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Did you really tag this #teabag?
- Andrew Leahey
Well you're doing a good well better than I am. I can barely scrape by, and having to write a big check while recently laid off takes some of the "joy" out of paying taxes.
- Kyle Sellers
long time listener first time caller... great attitude dr. laporte. paying taxes i don't mind, it's the wasteful and inane spending of those dollars that greatly dampens my mood... (to be clear, thats a dig at both houses of congress)
- Ted Bradford II
I don't really find a problem with taxes. I'm paying for the services I received for "Free." Essentially the government loaned me money to pay for roads, my student loans, things of that nature, and then they didn't charge me interest on that loan. It's really kind of cool. I just wish my employer wasn't taking forever to mail out a new copy of my W-2. I have to file for an extension because it hasn't arrived yet (my old one got trashed after my mom forwarded it to me).
- Ivan
i got to pay several grand last year. Wish i had your positive attitude then...thanks for bringing me back into a healthier perspective! We forget how fortunate we actually are!
- Lori Wilson
I don't get why anyone would mock a group of people organizing online to promote a cause they believe in. Isn't that how Obama got elected? The whole #teabag tag reminds me of a bunch of spoiled kids who don't want to share their toys (the internet).
- Kyle Sellers
Had to sign up just to say this: I don't mind paying taxes necessarily, such as sales tax and etc., but the Income Tax is wrong no matter what President or what party is in power. The govt. doesn't own my work, and giving them our hard earned money doesn't give them an incentive to shrink to Constitutional-approved levels.
- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy
Going to a teabag party today
- Randy Pollock
I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning! :)
- jcunwired
I can hardly wait to find out if the money they have been withholding from each paycheck I've earned over the past year has been enough to cover the burden I've created for society by being born. Yay taxes!!!
- midnightgolfer
I understand that paying taxes is a responsibility/privilege as a citizen of this wonderful country. I do not mind paying my fair share. I get upset when those who spend these taxes do not see any responsibility themselves.
- Chris Gardner
Oh, I got soo much joy giving USPS my checks for $28,000 the other day (Year End & Q1), guess the government will do better with that money then me. I was just going to use it to buy a new car (and perhaps keep some people in jobs), nothing important.
- Craig Ochs
Kevin: That makes no sense. They either have the right to take your money or they don't. Saying it's okay for them to take your money when you pay someone else for something but not when someone pays you is just nonsensical.
- Ghworg
worst tag ever Leo
- Joseph
I must have been given a lot of opportunities, because I am paying a lot of tax. Happily? not so much. :(
- Bob Townsend
AIG, Goldman & GM executives thank you. It's not easy living in Manhattan & Connecticut on $50,000 a day. Your contribution helps!
- Adam Turetzky
midnightgolfer, that made me laugh out loud. lets just take the smartest, the most successful and the best looking out of the herd, leaving the "rest of us". then, the "rest of us" will drink the Jim Jones Kool Aid so that the burden will be far less on those left behind.
- Ted Bradford II
I like schools, interstates, bridges, libraries, clean water, police patrols, firemen - oh yeah and of course the military that protects us - so... I paid my taxes. Its okay #teaparty peeps - you can still use my roads and I won't sick the military on you. #teabag
- Ken Newton
Social Contract? Please explain. I dont see anything in the constitution that requires me to pay for people to stay in homes they couldn't afford in the first place, feed able bodied people that make no effort to sustain themselves, and subsidize banks, insurance companies, corporations and industries that have driven themselves into the ground by poor management. It is insanity to believe that the government is somehow better able to manage our lives better that we can ourselves.
- Jim Bednarz
ken newton... the things you mentioned are not wasteful spending.
- Ted Bradford II
@ Ghworg - There is a substantial difference between a direct tax (income) and an indirect tax (sales tax). Read up on your constitutional history, and the federalist papers. @ Ken Newton - Private business could do it better and cheaper... so try again. I started my day listening to the Housemartins... specifically the song called "Sheep."
- Jodon Bellofatto
Jim - That's what makes it a social contract and not an actual contract. It's inferred. We took care of approving it for you.
- Matthew DeVries
Got a tax credit for having a baby and for buying a house. The last time I will probably ever get money back from the government. I am enjoying it.
- Fleagle
Wanna pay mine, then?
- Rochelle
Ghworg: I wouldn't mind getting rid of the sales tax too, but simply I think that's stretching it even farther than getting rid of the Federal Income Tax would. This country ran perfectly fine for it's first hundred or so years without a Fed Income Tax, until we began adding more and more social services as part of our federal government. Keep in mind originally the income tax was ruled unconstitutional: it took a Constitutional amendment to allow it to occur.
- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy
@Jim Bednarz: the social contract is a long standing idea within the US government ideal and structure. John Locke, sound familiar? Perhaps this will help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
" Keep in mind originally the income tax was ruled unconstitutional: it took a Constitutional amendment to allow it to occur." and why did it get amended? Oh yeah, to save the bankers who ran their businesses into the ground! We're like a broken record. Keep the rich people rich at all costs!
- Adam Turetzky
I don't get these hard left Gilmor Gangistas, they are sooo out of touch with their Austro-libertarian listeners who want Ben Bernanke and Paul Krugman shot !
- Adrian
My wife and I work till May 23 for the federal government so we can bail out crooked bankers and lousy car companies.
- Joseph Kelley
My husband and I work until April or May, I think, but it's to pay $0.50 on the dollar for a war I don't agree with.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Then why not pay even more taxes? You'll be ecstatic.
- Morton Fox
Leo should pay me for being a devoted listener. Yeah, that's it...
- Mike Nayyar
While I think this whole #teabag thing is complete nonsense and just a publicity stunt for the Republican conservatives, I'm no fan of the Democrats either. Taxes are just one more way of a government to exert power over it's people, it's stupid. Throwing teabags in rivers in 2009 is even more stupid. Really want to send a signal? Don't pay your taxes. If everyone at these stupid teabageries would not pay their taxes, it'd have a hell of a lot more of an effect.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
@Ted Bradford II - you are correct. I have yet to hear a good reason for the #teaparty. Wasteful spending? Where did the 3 trillion go that was handed over to G.W. in '01? Oh yeah - its in the pockets of A.I.G. and Halliburton. That money would have gone a long way towards solving the current problem. Would we even be here if it wasn't for absurd tax cuts for corps and unmitigated spending over the last 8 years?
- Ken Newton
I'm happy to #teabag any hot Republican bitches.
- ld
Glad your doing so well Leo, I too appreciate the opportunities the US has provided me so much so that I volunteered and served my country Militarily, I'm sure you have also, While I too have always honored (and will continue to do so) "my" social contract I only wish the politicians who work for "me" were "honorable" enough to reciprocate or perhaps I wish I had "your" money.
- Jim Kells
Don't mind paying taxes for appropriate functions of govt. Also, everyone should pay their fair share which is not happening today. The upper echelons of income earners are paying a disproportionate share of income taxes!
- Derek Cook
Due to circumstances beyond our control, Fiance and I got more than $5000 back this year. Hmmm...Ah well.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
FYI - anyone wishing to pay more taxes than they are required is free to do so. The IRS will let you do that.
- You.
"The upper echelons of income earners are paying a disproportionate share of income taxes!"...you're kidding me, right? While it may be true in terms of actual dollars, it is not even close in terms of the effect on a family's lifestyle. Those of us who are blessed with success should be willing to help our fellow Americans by giving back in amounts relative to the opportunities we have been given. In that way, others may hope to share in our success. When did we stop caring about each other?
- Peter May
I would be at a #teaparty today - but I am not part of the upper echelon upset about paying taxes. I wish they had more money to give to the gov so they can be bailed out again when they run their corps in the ground. Where were the #teaparty last year when the bailouts began?
- Ken Newton
@ Ken Newton - The original intent of the #teaparty was to admonish and speak out against both Republican and Democrat alike. Ironically, in many locations, it has been usurped by opportunists on both sides... which is why I will not be attending. And, yes, this economic situation was inevitable due to poor monetary policy that dates back to the Nixon/Carter days, and before then, the establishment of the Federal Reserve.
- Jodon Bellofatto
In this country, we _are_ the government. Anyone who isn't happy with their tax situation has only themselves to blame. Nutjobs who rail on about "the gubmint" stealing their money are hopelessly out of touch with reality and politically naive. Don't like the way things are going? Just use your powers of persuasion to convince the rest of us that you're right. Hint: blathering on about...
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- Brad Farris
from twhirl
Leo, this was a wonderful message to see this morning. Thank you for saying it.
- Karoli
@Brad um....you do realize that the government right now is controlled not by "us" but by the banks and corporations? That's just it..we became too lax and allowed the government to do things they should never even be doing. I would like to say that we should be taking all the blame, but it's not that simple. This all started back in the early 1900's. Our grandfathers and fathers started this whole mess. The minute they let the government step in and "cure" the depression, we the people lost control.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
@ Peter May: So taxes should be based "the effect on a family's lifestyle"? That is just wrong. Our tax system should be unbiased. Each American should be treated equally. While I do agree "those of us who are blessed with success should be willing to help" it should also be voluntary. That is part of why I'm a proponent of a flat percentage tax rate.
- ChiliMac
I'm not willing to pay taxes for war or ill advised government bailouts.
- ld
@Leo: Most of the people I know supporting the #teapartys would agree with your sentiment "Happily paying my taxes today. I appreciate the opportunities I have been given in this great country and honor our social contract". The issue we have is that the government is taking advantage of that and wasting our money. It is getting out of hand.
- ChiliMac
@Jodon Bellofatto - 'the establishment of the Federal Reserve' - thanks for bringing that up. I have been down that rabbit hole - and just lost sleep over it. I just realized my true objection is the distortion of the message by political pundits and corporate hacks. There be wisdom with you Jodon.
- Ken Newton
I seem to recall that the #teaparty had some issues with double-taxation. Like @Leo, I work for myself and gladly pay-in for the services I receive. However, in addition to Federal and State income taxes, I'm also taxed on gross receipts by the city of Los Angeles, and then 9.25% on everything I purchase. Sounds like we dumped tea for double-taxation, and now we get to eat cake. One of the things that I love about this country is that it allows for change. Probably time to reboot the system.
- Jeff Fischbach
And speaking of double taxation... every other tax you pay, you pay for with income which has already been taxed (some are allowed as deductions or credits, subject to limitations)... real estate tax, personal property tax, inheritance taxes, sales tax, inheritance tax, luxry taxes, sin taxes, etc.
- LogEx
Maybe if the politicians in Washington would have such an happy attitude about paying taxes we could pay for the 10 trillion dollar bailout of everyone-but-us.
- Mot Faerin
@Mike. I hear what you're saying, brother, but we live in the here and now. "The government" is you and I, friend. If it's not doing right by us, we have the power to fix it. Of course it's a hard job, but that's what living here is supposed to be about - doing the hard work to make our country function the way we want it to. It's hard to get the right people elected. It's hard to...
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- Brad Farris
from twhirl
What you call "crying about it" is actually rallying political support for change. The government can be influenced in other ways besides voting.
- You.
"Happily paying my taxes today" Must be enough left then. ;)
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
from twhirl
@Dave, If you're thinking that I'm opposed to "rallying political support for change," you're wrong. In fact, that's exactly what I've said I think should be done. There's a qualitative difference betweein "rallying political support for change" and simply whining about paying taxes. Don't confuse one with the other, and don't confuse "the government" with anything besides you and I.
- Brad Farris
from twhirl
what's the quantifiable difference? [edit] and who's doing the latter?
- You.
Taxes... got 5400$ back this year... massive REER investment (it's a Canadian thing)
- Julien Bérubé
Now that I think about it, isn't @Leo Canadian? That alone probably makes paying taxes here a relative-pleasure. On the other hand, he may just be pandering to avoid deportation.
- Jeff Fischbach
Sorry, Dave - where did you get the impression that I did that? I didn't mean to give that impression, and I certainly feel that it's good for our "conservative" friends to involve themselves in some organized public protest from time to time, just so they'll be able to understand how strongly those anti-war protesters feel when they get out there and hold up signs. I've looked back...
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- Brad Farris
from twhirl
You edited? Sorry, I answered the question you originally posed. I guess maybe you realized you'd overreached. It's all good.
- Brad Farris
from twhirl
It's not the paying that bothers me; it's that we get so little return on our money.
- Robert Hafer
Robert, you're getting a ton for your money. Unfortunately, half of it is military and with so much of that abroad right now, you don't get to 'see' what you've bought very much.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
What a nice little lemming. Hiel Geithner.
- Joanie
20% of it is in defense out of the entire budget, the 50% number is only true of the discretionary budget. The discretionary budget does not include Medicare and Social Security.
- RAPatton
Wow, a lot of single post people over here to give what they got to Leo. Why don't you folks stay and join the discussion on FriendFeed if you'd like to have real reasoned debate.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Robert, the discretionary budget is what actually comes from income taxes. Social Security has its own kitty and its own contributions, so it is deceptive to include in a breakdown of "where your taxes go" since most people assume "your taxes" implies the stuff that's due today.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
We may be getting a ton for our money, but we are paying for 100 tons. 99 tons of waste.
- Robert Hafer
I am very well aware of where Social Security comes from and how its "surplus" is pillaged and about the Medicare shortfall. But if you are only talking income taxes 32.6% of people pay absolutely nothing for defense, unless you count the funds borrowed from Social Security.
- RAPatton
Paid mine yesterday, after having to call the IRS to get my AGI for last year to file THIS year. Sheesh.....
- Anita Pesola
Converse to that, Robert, is the fact that the people who are paying more towards the military by paying more of the overall tax burden are also in many cases the same people who are profiting the most from military action.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
"the people"? So, when you earn a certain dollar amount you profit more the military?
- RAPatton
Not what I meant. Military contractors, the companies that are receiving redevelopment contracts, etc. That's what I meant. Though, there are those that argue that the wealthy in general do benefit more from the military in general, since they have the greater assets to protect.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I heard that Comcast, the parent company of G4 TV, is in financial trouble, maybe some of your tax revenue can bail them out of the rut they're in. Love ya Leo, thanks for the pothole repairs!
- Matt Pak
@ChiliMac: Voluntary? Oh yeah, that would work. Imagine how much those pigs on Wall Street would pay if the system was voluntary.
- Peter May
@Peter May: My comment may not have been clear. I don' t think taxes should be voluntary, just non-discriminatory. The volunteerism I mention is the extra help. Let people give to charity if they want to help certain sectors of society. Our federal government should not be forcing that on us.
- ChiliMac
They say a large tax bill is a "glamorous problem" :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Leo, I'm glad to see people in positions of prominence such as yourself speaking out in support of the tax process. Too many people on Twitter are bemoaning the fact that they have to give back to their country.
- Eric Geller
Eric, many are not bemoaning that they have to "give" back, but what the government is doing with that money. Also I don't see it as giving as that word implies some choice in the matter. #teaparty
- John
We actually don't mind rendering unto caesar, either. It's just that when the caesars try to trade our children's future for today's bread and circuses, you gotta ask, "Is it time to cleanse the temple?" Also, give us a break, we're kinda' new to this whole loud street protest thing.
- midnightgolfer
Leo, I'm in debt a few thousand dollars because of taxes. If you'd like to help someone out and actually see positive results, let me know. I only need $4000 to pay my tax debt. What if you buy $4k worth of ads from me at: http://twilliondollarhomepage.com
- James Thomson
James Thomson, even I know that your ad here in these comments is lame.
- midnightgolfer
@midnightgolfer - why lame? Leo says he likes to pay taxes so why wouldn't he want to help one of his listeners pay their tax debt? It's a win-win situation. He gets an ad for 5 years, can deduct the expense on next year's taxes and it helps me pay off my tax debt. Hell, I don't care how I get the money... if he wants to just give me $4000 straight up that's fine too: http://twilliondollarhomepage.com
- James Thomson
If you have to ask... anyways, maybe it's just that I feel like twitter is already starting to get kind of spammy as it is.
- midnightgolfer
Leo, if you love paying taxes so much, why not donate even more money to the government or help someone else out that cannot afford it. I am unemployed, no income and have prescription drugs I need on top of my tax bill. Seriously, I don't understand your logic.
- James Thomson
@James I think he's saying that he feels he gets value for his dollar. Do you offer to pay more for something every time you feel this way?
- Edward Zwart
Are You Frustrated With TV Programs Running Past Their Time Slots? - http://www.lockergnome.com/blade...
Ed Ryan, Alex Scoble and Salocin.TEN liked this
Yes, mostly those sports! Everything throws my tivo off and then I miss programs!
- Hummie
Oh, and I thought it happens with www.ntv7.com.my only.
- Salocin.TEN
from twhirl
matter or fact, americrap idle ran long last night, causing my dvr to miss the last five minutes of fringe! *grrr*
- Taylor Banks
from Nambu
yeah I also missed last 10 minutes of Fringe last week, add 30 minutes to the end of it so I will not miss it again
- Kim Landwehr
I once knew a guy that called me "my friend" ALL the time. Like multiple times in a conversation. It was really creepy and uncomfortable...
Kol Tregaskes, Ed Ryan, Matthew Gifford and Adam Turetzky liked this
The $66 million story really shut the Republican bloggers up. Funny they don't have anything to say. http://www.politico.com/blogs...
Steven Perez, Steve Garfield and Ed Ryan liked this
Man, the insulting things people say on Twitter just blows my mind. Would you talk to people like that in person? Think about it.
Ed Ryan, Carsten R, Mike Shulman and sam liked this
Copyfight: Mahalo Daily suspended from YouTube - http://valleywag.com/5025952...
tomit, Alan Root, Patrick McCarron and 24 other people liked this
yes, it's true. Viacom filed multiple bogus DMCA claims against us for an event that they invited us to. This has cost us money and killed our Youtube account for two days and counting. horrible
- Jason Calacanis
from Bookmarklet
That sucks!
- Matt Baron
And you are seeking compensation?
- Brian Sullivan
I read that Mahalo isnt suing and I applaud that. Calacanis always seemed fairly stand up and not suing is the stand up thing to do. Just keep the we want sushi attitude and it will do you more good.
- Cody Heitschmidt
apparently it's going to be sushi compensation. heh.
- Ben Hwang
from Alert Thingy
Wow two days down? Thats a lot of sushi. Have them spring for Katsu-ya at Studio City
- Jose Alvarez
Sorry to hear it. I've written about this business before. YouTube's accepting DMCA claims without investigation is just wrong.
- James Joyner
sue 'em Jason:)
- Grant
Maybe YouTube can make up for the error by Featuring Mahalo Daily on their Front page for a couple days
- Jeff Hoard
from twhirl
the dummies at youtube just hit suspend, suspend, suspend w/o asking questions or doing a little investigation. a bit like facebook now that I think of it....right scoble?
- Brian Ries
Jason, I take that you've filed a DMCA counter claim
- Duncan Riley
Good luck, Jason.
- Chris Baskind
Wow. And I thought it was exciting when we moms got suspended for our breast feeding montage....
- Erin @queenofspain
Can't wait to read the next revision of the Viacom page on Mahalo. ;)
- Chris Luckhardt
Jason, just make a custom channel at www.magnify.net and scrap Youtube.
- Jim Kukral
from twhirl
Breaking: Jason Calacanis quits digital video. Will now only show film via Drive-in theater :)
- Andrew Smith
"filed multiple bogus DMCA claims" - the key word here is bogus - fr what I under stand this implies that Viacoms Legal Consul (A) does not know DMCA laws (b), did not do a due dilgence revie before filing DMCA. Did they not contacting you with a C&D prior to the DMCA notice ? Would you care to pub the C&D at least? The :term "bogus" is certainly a funny word. Jason, you should counter sue i, because they after all invited you to the event and you had permissions to record and distribute the content correct
- Peter Dawson
now you know how I feel about twitter. scum always win unless you fight back
- Noah David Simon
Jason - we spoke earlier today, contact me if you'd like this written about (tyler has my contact info)
- Andrew Feinberg
so mainstream media doesn't want coverage? Fine. Stop reporting their news.
- Frank Jonen
from Alert Thingy
We have a winner, thanks all!
Chip Vanek, Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu, Todd and Ed Ryan liked this
That was fun....so many people replied instantly!!
- Niall Connellan
oh I missed it!
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
shoot!
- Shivanand Velmurugan
failPhone on Flickr - Photo Sharing! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Mitchell Tsai, Rey Ramos, Iain Baker and 159 other people liked this
Amen to that!
- Steve Rubel
from Bookmarklet
my post coming soon...
- MG Siegler
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- l0ckergn0me
lemmings. sheep. fail.
- Andrea Baker
Hooray!
- Maryam Ardakani
Let me just say it again: I am so, so glad I didn't wait in line.
- Akiva Moskovitz
ROFLMAO
- Rob Witte
from Alert Thingy
Great !
- Amir Homaiy
LOVE IT!
- George Smith
Awesome!
- Internet's Tad
Don't have a Jesus (or Mary) phone yet, so I can't judge. I would like to be able to judge, though!
- Alex von Halem
from twhirl
my interpretation: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Holger Eilhard
awesome!
- andy brudtkuhl
lets hope the failphone stays failing for a few more hours - my iphone error page is doing quite nicely in pv :)
- Allen Stern
great picture!
- Corey Hammond
My RogersBlackberry is humming along fine
- johnpiercy
from twhirl
My RogersBlackberry is humming along fine too ;-)
- AJ Batac
My updated iPhone (old school) is humming along just fine (I updated it yesterday and had no problems).
- Jennifer Dittrich
Right...but its Rogers...and its Blackberry. See?
- Kamath (नमः)
hey steve if your phone is down, i can let you borrow my samsung ace - it works great, super fast speeds, and an awesome opera mobile browser :)
- Allen Stern
Hang out for a while. It finally comes on. I was down for 3 hours trying to update this AM, though
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
I am a committed late adopter to expensive change... vote McCain
- Noah David Simon
Brilliant!
- Sarah Crisman
from NoiseRiver
Wow. First time I've seen an item with triple digit likes.
- Mark Krynsky
me thinks it will go higher by days end ,, as the problems continue , flickr exposure + friendfeed = TRAFFIC ( Viewed 2,049 times ) on flickr
- johnpiercy
beauty! i had a 1.0 brick all day
- Bob DeAmbra
from twhirl
i think this is one of the most liked posts on FF
- Susan Beebe
love it!!
- Drew B
@BarackObama yea, sounds good, lets grab a beer tonight before your flight out
Corie, Phillip Jeffrey, Zach Chisholm and 4 other people liked this
lol .. thats pretty funny
- Emmanuel Pozo
AOL Radio on the iPhone is a killer app. Broadcast radio should be very afraid. CBS stations excepted - they're all there.
Winston Chiu, Jeff P. Henderson, Adam Turetzky and 20 other people liked this
Leo. Try the last.fm client on a jailbroken iPhone. Been using it for months and its way better.
- Brian Kenyon
it could be, but in the long run podcasting (timeshifting) is more competition. once streaming radio needs to imitate pandora or last.fm to be relevant
- paul bailey
from Alert Thingy
Yeah. The Pandora app is really great too.
- Andy Lewandowski
this will be the killer app. http://www.lockergnome.com/themode...
- Vincent Guerrero
uSirius on the iphone is a killer App: http://bit.ly/1O7o7t
- Nir Ben Yona
the killer part is that the CBS stations and Pandora work on EDGE.
- Brad Davis Seal
@nir i agree uSirius is a killer app too. i hope they get that in the app store soon
- Vincent Guerrero
Call me old skool but I still like left of the dial FM college radio on real stereo
- john coffey
I have to admit, Pandora is it for me.
- Rob Fuller
from twhirl
I'm pretty much against anything that starts with "AOL", and Pandora is great on the iPhone.
- Steve Isaacs
like pandora much more - sorry leo but "aol" & "radio" oxymoronic when paired w/ "killer app" - both are being killed not killer
- mike "glemak" dunn
@mike "glemak" dunn: If I could like your comment I would.
- Jake (aka Jawee)
Only problem is you can't listen to it in the background.
- Tony Speer
I've downloaded Tuner and the allRadio tuner apps as well. ALL BROADCAST radio should be in fear, including XM and Sirius. I spent the whole morning in my car listening to Virgin FM out of London instead of my local 'canned' station.
- Andrew Leyden
and now a reason Iphone might get a real thought
- Noah David Simon
Yeah, this could get very interesting, very quickly.
- Karim
@noahdavidsimon: Don't let it be your only reason. I just checked, and streaming internet radio (via the Shoutcast site, which proclaims it's AOL Radio) seems quite doable on my phone, which is not an iPhone (I won't say what it is, because that's how topics get hijacked with "mine's better" battles). Thanks to Leo for reminding me about Shoutcast.
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
from NoiseRiver
http://flytunes.fm/ the radio station I work for will be on flytunes.
- Squid
UPDATE!!!: last.fm on the app store today. WOOOHOO http://blog.last.fm/2008...
- Vincent Guerrero
wow. that last.fm for the iPhone looks nice, Vincent. somebody in Cupertino is kicking themselves for not having this already.
- Karim
believe it or not, there are features not included that were in the jailbreak version like lyrics and the ability to scrobble your iPod tracks in the background. it's "gimped" and it still blows everything else away!
- Vincent Guerrero
The last.fm app is now in the app store.
- Nate Lewis
I like last.fm better, you can put it in the background and do other things.
- Tony Speer
I just received Jason Calacanis' first email "blog." I'm very saddened that he decided to go back to email for a whole number of reasons. Let's talk about them.
peter huesken, David HC Soul, Alex Barbara and 44 other people liked this
Push model of communication vs. conversation?
- Sprague D
Maybe you could start listing the reasons you know
- Brian Sullivan
Email seems so closed off - it prohibits growth. At least, that's how I see it...
- George Smith
I just received Calacanis' first email newsletter. Which is really his replacement for not blogging anymore. He makes several great points. 1. That commenters have destroyed blogging. 2. That Nick Denton's style of paying for page views instead of smart ideas has destroyed blogging. 3. That he seeks out a more intimate conversation. 4. That email is it.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Please forward them to post@posterous.com. Heheh. : )
- Erhan Erdogan
I am saddened because all of this is true. Except by going back to email he's taken us back to the 1990s where I can't share his ideas with others (he only will accept 1,000 subscribers, he says). He also is cluttering my email stream which is cluttered beyond breaking. Imagine if everyone did email newsletters...
- Robert Scoble
I don't know about you folks, but I just don't need any more email. I can't keep up with what I already have. I've started replying to my co-worker's emails with Office Communicator, in an attempt to ease the deluge. You'd think IT folks would know that it's not always necessary to hit "Reply All."
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
from NoiseRiver
I think it harkens back to the glory days of yesteryear when there were email lists like the lockergnome. Maybe it's just nostalgia. I don't have a problem with commentors on my blog, but then, I don't have the numbers that Calacanis or Scoble have either. He says he has a problem and that an email list will alleviate those problems. We'll just have to see what happens and see if his experiment does work.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Here it is: http://robert_zrxrc.posterous.com/ -- he already has 1,100 subscribers.
- Robert Scoble
FF is the answer, possible a FF' room. Once FF becomes mainstream as a sharing and communication tool bogging activity will decrease significantly: if not FF will become the de-facto “bogging” platform.
- Joao
"I'm very saddened" ? what makes you sad and why ?
- Peter Dawson
that's one looong e-mail
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Robert - Jason hasn't taken anybody to the 90's except maybe himself. The whole thing smacks of ego anyway. I think better just to ignore Jason (I mostly did that before as well so not much change for me).
- Brian Sullivan
Peter: because what Jason says is true. It's why I've slowed down blogging lately. Blogging used to be about discussing ideas. Lately it's been about getting on Techmeme. I share the blame in that part of things. But even while that's been going on I've tried to read many times more stuff than what I write. It's why I still read hundreds of RSS feeds and participate here on FF (I like many, many, many times more items than what I start). But I hate his choice of media. Email is just the worst place.
- Robert Scoble
The remark on commenters is disingenuous -- he regularly turned off commenting on his blog when he didn't want to deal with blowback, unlike Robert who rarely disengages. For a guy who made $25 million off blogging, turning his back on the medium seems like bad faith, to me.
- Sprague D
funny the other day his max number of "subscribers" was going to be hard and fast at 750 and now it is 1,000 ... as usual he can't seem to make up his mind [edit] now I see it is up to 1,100
- Steven Hodson
I think the cap on subscriptions is interesting. Pushing the scarcity button ("Act now -- supplies are limited!") is considered a fairly low Jedi Mind Trick. [waves hand] Wasn't the cap 500 at first? Then 750? Now it's 1,000? Because you can only have an "intimate conversation" with 1,000 people? hahahahahahah...
- Karim
He *is* blogging -- after a sorts. Commenters haven't destroyed blogging, but many comments are noise and add no value. This is where the site owner needs to put on big boy pants and function as an editor. I can't fault Denton for paying for views. How does this affect Calacanis' site? Seeking Intimacy? Oh, the burdens of popularity ... ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Brian: I agree with that. I subscribed, but with my luck the newsletter will get thrown into my spam folder. Interesting that many bloggers started out with newsletters (Chris Pirillo and Dave Winer both had famous email newsletters before they moved to blogs).
- Robert Scoble
I don't like it , if you limit the communicatin to just who gets your email. Then it's a monologue not a conversation
- Kim Landwehr
Another place Jason is right? The need to have one-to-one smart conversations. If I didn't have those every day and just did my blog I'd be one sad puppy. It's the smart conversations that matter. Most of which I don't have an audience for while I'm having them.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Will you go on forwarding these on posterous? : ) I subscribe your posterous. ; ) Thanks for sharing.
- Erhan Erdogan
@robert , "Blogging used to be about discussing ideas. Lately it's been about getting on Techmeme." Agreed, but you can't solve a problem with the same mindset that created the problem and that goes to all the A-listers too.. They have always fought / jostled , manipulated the SM streams to get to their way to for google juice, page views/hits. etc Now all of a sudden, its like wait.. whatever happened to the original idea of exchanging ideas ? Whatever happened to passion and integrity ?
- Peter Dawson
Erhan: I'll forward them when he has something smart to say. (and I remember to do it). :-)
- Robert Scoble
Peter now you know why I've focused so much of my energy on FriendFeed. I'm having a lot smarter conversations here than other places.
- Robert Scoble
I'll take the contrarian view: This email was the most relaxed, best, most enjoyable, insightful writing I've seen from Jason in a while. I'm an old school McLuhanite wrt the medium being the message. But sometimes, the message is the message. Sometimes the author is the message. Gotta let an author choose the medium. If this change boosts the quality of Jason's output, I'm glad he did it.
- Michael Markman
Scoble: I think you're wrong about blogging being all "about getting on Techmeme." As a blogger in a niche community, I can tell you that the VAST majority of bloggers out there don't care about or plan to get on techmeme. This particular problem (and all of the problems that you mention) lies in a very small subset of the blogging community--the "A-list", as it's put.
- Eric Florenzano
Robert: Calacanis's new official blog: http://robert_zrxrc.posterous.com/ : ))) You may change its name to "calacanissbug.posterous.com" : )))
- Erhan Erdogan
Robert, BUT BEWARE - the same thing is happening on FF too , the platform has changed, however the attitude is the same. http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Peter Dawson
Robert, the one thing e-mail is severely lacking is the ability to thread a conversation so late comers don't jump in and ask the same questions that were already asked - or make the same points that were already made. Sure Jason has some points, but I'm not sure the direction he took is the road to travel... It does indeed sound like he wants to 'recapture' something that was lost, but I can't help hearing you (Robert) start ringing the innovation bell rather than what equates to throwing in the towel.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I blog, comment and email. I have a large target audience - non-tech, non-connected biz owners, who prefer the email format. Of course I invite conversation, and try to direct people back to my blog, but the large percentage of my readers are passive - so email works.
- Lorraine Ball
I have to say I agree with Michael Markman on this one. I'm rather enjoying the tone of Jason's writing in these posts. It's brings me back to earlier writing of his that I enjoyed.
- Cathy Brooks
I think the move is rather ridiculous. I never really pay much attention to his stunts anyway, but I think that if one-way conversation were what he wanted, he could disable commenting. Perhaps, though, he doesn't want people talking about his "posts" elsewhere, like on FriendFeed. Strange.
- Jonathan Sterling
Peter Dawson, really great point. My aim is to find, create, join, or otherwise be part of mindshare... I want to expand my horizons and learn things. I like that I don't agree with everything out there - it gives me room to make a difference or move on. However, I would submit that I fear the Internet is finally starting to mirror the real world... but this is not a cause to despair but a reason to fight harder!
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
it seems that the A-list bloggers are exposed to a lot of "A-List Envy/Angst" and a lot of what comes out comes out as vitriol at not being as successful. It's a very negative energy and I could see how it would start to get annoying. I can't blame Jason for being annoyed by it anymore than I can blame you (Scoble) for blocking people who are always dumping negativity on you. That said, I agree with Ted Leonsis that Jason is pulling a Brett Favre, but I do believe the toll the negativity takes is real.
- Robert Seidman
Well, it was only a matter of time before this whole transparency, aggregation, data portability thing started to freak people out. Walled garden, anyone?
- Karim
I prefer this to: “I'm streaming live right now, come chat!
- Oldengrey (Jay)
I always thought of a blog as a catalyst to cathartic discussion. While I love reading Jason's work, the mailing list is just a one-way distribution list. I have to use friendfeed, twitter, or another blog to discuss the content. If you're tired of clueless commentators, then moderate the comments. Wait a second. . . .isn't THIS a blog in a way?
- Peter Ghosh
Sorry, but while I understand his reasoning, I utterly disagree w/ his solution. We don't need to 'go back to listserve' to have a conversation. In fact, I've been saying for a while now that the reason microblogging sites have done so well is that they really DO facilitate conversation. Blogging is more like lecturing w/ a Q&A session in the comments. Twitter, FF, and other sites have lead us into actual organic conversations. Jason's email is back to lecturing. I won't be subscribing.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Peter: I'm still very passionate about having smart conversations and furthering our understanding of the technology that we all use every day.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe it's all one big joke. I've learned that Jason and I have different senses of humor.
- shelisrael1
I can't believe people actually believe any of this is serious. Calcanis is not retiring from blogging to do email lists. See the truth, see the evidence!
- Ben Parr
Instead of talking about it, let's just ignore it. Don't subscribe. We have to make it as clear as possible that we've moved beyond these one-way conversations.
- Shawn Farner
Maybe he wants more control over his own conversations?
- Omar Vasquez Lima
It was a brilliant move. People who've never heard of Calacanis now do. He is going to be talked about by everyone. Even news organazations are picking up on this. It doesn't matter what you say anymore... it matters how you say it to get in the spotlight. He is a brilliant man in that regards. Can't everyone figure that out. It is all about being in the spotlight. I got that the moment I even saw the first headline.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
BTW, my aforementioned statements does not conclude that I appreciate such ways of getting in the spotlight. I'm disgusted with it, but it makes the Calacanis brand more widely known. Everyone else is the sucker for constantly talking about it. It doesn't matter if it is true or not. Calacanis already won because we are all talking about him. That is brilliant marketing folks. Think about it.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
@Karim I have it on good authority (i.e. I made it up) that he kept subscriptions open until 1095 because that's when Scoble signed up. I know, I know, you would have thought he would have done it sooner, but popular opinion is that he wanted to make Jason sweat.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
I think the fact that this move has created as much buzz as it has shows that it is working. How many more eyes will see this now that it will only be delivered to a select few?
- Zach Chisholm
Jason, ha! :-D Somehow I'm sure he'll always manage to squeeze in another subscription or two for the "right" people ;-) I'd have more respect for these caps if they were given as powers of two (512, 1024) -- that way I'd just assume there was some technical basis. lol
- Karim
I think Jason has a point. Techmeme and Valleywag have turned an idea culture into a celebrity culture. Trust me, I started to get sucked into the anger and negativity this week, and I didn't like what I was seeing in myself. But honestly? If he wants to push messages and have conversations back and forth without dodging trolls and negativity and egotism, he's got the right idea. If Leonsis is right, I'll be pretty sad. Speaking of Leonsis, LETS GO CAPS!!! STANLEY CUP 2009!!!
- Andrew Feinberg
I don't see how you can get involved in 'drama' if you just stay the hell away from valleywag and techmeme
- mjc
Zach, re "select few," I shouldn't be telling you this, but the Force can have a strong effect on the weak-minded. [waves hand] And please don't tell anyone I told you that, keep it just between the two of us. [waves hand]
- Karim
Your going about it wrong... he didn't go "back to email", he decided to use a "distributed push blogging platform". Your so 1.0 with your blog on your server it's laughable ;-).
- Robert Accettura
Email blog? *sigh*
- Czar
We're all discussing it here, Score another for Team Calacanis. He's a great marketer, he creates tremendous buzz in a small community and can keep it spinning. It doesn't matter what medium he uses, he makes it work for him.
- Steven Cains
I'm a "single inbox" advocate, and have all my RSS feeds fed to email, so Jason's really just saving me a step. I really wish FF could feed individual comments and posts to email, so I wouldn't have to come here. All these distinctions between blogs, FF, IM, SMS, twitter, email... I look forward to the day when it's all transparent, you simply subscribe to the content rather than the medium, and you choose whichever delivery mechanism you prefer.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jason makes some valid points. I don't have anywhere near the audience of many of you, but comments are seriously problematic. On one hand they make writing pretty thankless, because often the only people who comment are ones who want to criticize or attack. On the other, you crave them because you're trying to start conversations. But having said that, I have made a considerable chunk of my living doing PR and I know buzz-building when I see it. That's not a criticism, it's just an observation.
- Anthony Citrano
M. Cohen: that's the point. he's (at least trying to) remove himself a step or two from that medium. To be honest, I take more time reading and digesting an email than I do a blog post, because when you send mail to a list, you know who your initial audience is. Another thing? Mailing lists and Usenet (before outlook destroyed threading) had great conversations, better than many blog comments. FriendFeed actually reminds me of a Usenet-Listserv mashup in that way. (continued)
- Andrew Feinberg
Most high-traffic blogs have way too many trolls, sock puppets, and other crap to make conversations useful anymore. Does anyone remember Slashdot in the early days? I do (my UID is 4 digits) and I never go there anymore. Why? Sock puppets, trolls, very few good conversations. The medium did not scale well. In many ways, Jason has been out sailing and has spied a FailWhale off his port bow. He's altering course to avoid, but the destination remains the same. Let's hope he gets there.
- Andrew Feinberg
This is a personal decision for me and I realize that intelligent folks will disagree with my decision... however, I can tell you that after a couple of emails to the ~1,000 folks on the list I've a) learned more, b) gotten much more response (50-150 really well thought emails each time I send an email so far), and c) there has been no drama/haters. When you reach critical mass in blogging it implodes as the majority of feedback you get is from the haters and the mentally unstable (sometimes both).
- Jason Calacanis
Jason: Agreed for the most part, but others on the list can't see the replies that people send to you :( I'd love to learn what you're learning.
- Eric Florenzano
Robert - I think it's all a matter of perspective, when it comes to the benefit versus harm of doing exclusively email. I've shared some specific thoughts with Jason, but the overall point I'll make here. For you, it's hard because you're flooded already. For me, it's a chance to break away from what's going on during a day and read some thoughts that are shared to a very small and specific audience. I like what Jason's doing. I just, as I stated to him, hope that he's not cutting off his nose...
- Bradley McSpinn
Eric: the responses from the email list to me are 1-to-1 and that is providing me with so much more value than public comments, which i've found tend to be for a) the promotion of the individual, b) the chance to lash out/behave badly, c) some combination of a&b. I'm getting much more considered response because people understand it's one to one... this means i'm more likely to email more--it's a virtuous cycle so far. i wonder what will happen with email 100 or 1,000. will it continue or go away? who knows
- Jason Calacanis
I think at some point one wants to blog or write more intimately. Instead of e-mail, I think Ning.com would have been a much better solution. It also puts a face behind the names and they can share too.
- Janette Toral
Email may be the worst place, but maybe Jason has something new brewing in email land?
- drew olanoff
Jason - I read your email via Robert's posterous. I really enjoyed that post. I'm someone fairly new to this world of the Web. To be honest, my only impression of you is as The Mahalo Guy who tweets about his bulldogs. Didn't realize there was so much more there, especially your trailblazing in the genre. With a closed-off email list, you'll miss a lot of new people. As for Google juice, Techmeme, etc, look to Marc Andreessen as an example. Blogs only on his own time as he tends to his start-up.
- Hutch Carpenter
I thought you posted the email message, someone Twittered about that. I think it's about exclusivity, or the perception of exclusivity and accountability, ability to quantify. I think if SAR was still around it would be the only (5 maybe?) email lists i would need to subscribe to, so that was the '90's. As far as the focus on Techmeme, you got to just ignore it. Why do people need to know which 50 stories discuss the same issue? I'm glad it's successful for him. There are haters, always have been.
- angela penny
Didn't LISTSERV's die when www came out? This is a step backwards if you ask me. Another silo'd walled garden community. Meh.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I feel lucky to be on Jason's email list.
- Owen O'Malley
Jason, if the responses are 1:1, you could end up answering the same question 1,000 times... and like Eric said, some questions don't get asked repeatedly when everyone can see them.
- Karim
Who is parsing Jason's comments?
- Anne Haynes
an email list is not a conversation, it is a one way street, Email lists are old fashioned, old school tech Most people have already been there, done that and are trying out all the new ways to communicate.We have moved on to Blogs, FriendFeed, Twitter, etc with new things showing up every day. Who else besides Jason wants to go backwards to the old list days? Negativity is always a problem, but does that mean we stop talking because of it?
- Francine
Email is a follow-up medium IMO. It's what you might use once you find someone who you find worth having a more intimate conversation. I don't think most bloggers get an over abundance of these gems, but Jason achieved an order of magnitude that yielded a large cadre of intelligent folks. I get it. However, I'd blog simultaneously and see if other gems emerge that could be added to the email dialog.
- AJ Kohn
I don't have any stats to back this up, but I suspect that despite all the twitterati/friendfeeders/bloggers hopes and dreams to the contrary, 90%+ of the non-navelgazing, productive activity on the internet is probably still conducted via email.
- Ken Sheppardson
good for little jason. email rules
- Big Jason Henderson
I can see (and have empathy for) a lot of the reasons why Jason (or anyone else) would decide to take a deep breath and opt out of the fray; a large part of the stakes in keeping blogging alive in the next - say - five years depends on a delicate balance between "taking" and "giving back" ideas from a communal place - when the former replaces the latter, things start getting less and less fun and interesting. Also,thislaptopspacebarisdyingonme.
- dario
As for the Techmeme and page view stuff. I suppose if you're doing this for a living that might be a concern. Even then, it's still about content and ideas. I still believe that if you have the former, the latter will come to a large degree. Should you really be interested in traffic you might be better off doing SEO.
- AJ Kohn
Annie, I tried to parse what Jason meant by the implication that answering the same question repeatedly had a greater value than not doing so :-) but I couldn't... I can see that it would *possibly* lower the amount of self-aggrandizing or hateful messages, because of the lack of a public platform, but it seems like the price is replying the same thing over and over, to potentially hundreds of people. Why even bother with replies, why not just make it a newsletter? Or a blog with no comments.
- Karim
I applaud the move. Though I think it is a technological step backward, it seems to me, it is from a desire to move forward with, to me, what makes life valuable: relationships. And although disagreement is important to growth, detractors are less valuable than a reduction in disagreement.
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It won't last.
- Jim Kukral
I was on Jason's old Silicon Alley email list years ago. There was something cool & useful about that list that was different from the blogging experience.
- Paul Rodriguez
A few months ago I had a rather relaxed (blame tuscan red wines!) and interesting conversation with De Kerchove - a scholar who knows a thing or two about media - about the existence of collective intelligence and the concept of 'smart mobs' - the central point being 'are we starting to see something larger than the sum of its parts?'- the answer - more or less - is yes, but as any form of evolution, it takes lots of time and course correction along the way.
- dario
My responses to the four points that Robert summarized above: "1. That commenters have destroyed blogging." - this is not new and many bloggers at many levels deal with hecklers. "2. That Nick Denton's style of paying for page views instead of smart ideas has destroyed blogging." - might be an issue for those bloggers who actually earn income from blogging. "3. That he seeks out a more intimate conversation." - less likely to happen if every E-Mail is posted somewhere. cont'd...
- Mark Dykeman
"4. That email is it." - it could be a personal preference, but he could easily achieve the same thing with a public forum requiring a password-protected user account. All this would actually do is to prevent people from publicly criticizing him because there's no forum to do so within the E-Mail list. Unfortunately, there will be lots of other places to do that. More power to him if this is his true intent, but long term I don't think it will work.
- Mark Dykeman
I can (occasionally) see Jason's point about comments, but, sorry, that's not a blog, that's a newsletter. BOO!
- Helen Sventitsky
Why haven't bloggers incorporated "slashdot-like" rating into their comment systems in order to get rid of the noise. What am I missing? Let the community protect its own resource if they value it.
- Derek Tutschulte
TechCrunch also wrote about this, but the comments here are a lot more interesting and smarter: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- Robert Scoble
Oh, and Jason, I agree that 1:1 conversations are the best. That's why I put my phone number on my blog. +1-425-205-1921 -- a troll of mine even called last night (seriously, she did) and I got to hang up on her. It was most satisfying.
- Robert Scoble
Derek: Slashdot's comments don't work to get rid of the noise.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: You're right, it's embarassing for TechCrunch, really. In a way, it's validation of his move.
- Eric Florenzano
Email is broken
- paul mooney
Still fuzzy on why being able to weed out comments rated belowa "4" (5 being the highest) wouldn't filter out useless comments. Deputize your allies among your audience as editors that can rate comments and they clean up the mess. Forgive me, but why wouldn't that work?
- Derek Tutschulte
from twhirl
Kudos to you Scoble for keeping the conversation going. While I agree with Jason's sentiments, that the blogosphere needs to grow up a bit and stop focusing on views/clicks/getting on techmeme, etc - that's the responsibility of the blogger. You can have a blog WITHOUT being distracted by those things. Just... write the emails in a blog. That's why blogs are revolutionary. Email is for suckers. No way around it. Techcrunch publishing the email = fail. Is that really news?
- David Cohn
SezWho has a plugin for WordPress. http://www.sezwho.com/ this can help a bit with commenters.
- Ryan Lane
"This was a triumph. I'm making a note here, huge success. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction..." -GLaDOS
- Eric Rice
I wonder. Considering my first comment (up two comments) and your blog post @RobertScoble - if the course of action is to just ignore it all. I mean - we are feeding the ego-flames here and I think Jason wants/knows it. Robert - considering it's just an "email" newsletter, why not drop Jason's new form of communication from your inbox? Especially if it's a cheap ploy. Would be a bold statement from you.
- David Cohn
Like everything in life, Jason decision probably has pros and cons, but my personal feeling is that his going backward with this one, kinda like Facebook before they joined Dataportability... (conversations remains hidden inside)
- Orli Yakuel
You can follow his emails on http://www.calacanismail.com
- Frans
Is not Jason stil bloggin ? hmmmmm.. I mean micro bloggin when participating in convo /Sharing on FF :)-
- Peter Dawson
Here's how it went down: Mrs. Calacanis: "Hunny, you're on the computer too much." ... Jason: "OK babe... I'll quit blogging"
- Jimmy Gleason
Jason is still twittering, so isn't that essentially blogging?
- Green Screen Cinema
No, that's microblogging and/or lifestreaming. :)
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Full Disclosure: I work for an email marketing team, I like email. That said, I don't think email is dead, but not the best channel for two way, one-to-many dialog when you have volume involved. If you limit your distribution and allow reply to, then email can spark some very intimate or insightful conversations between the sender and sendee(s). If you become a high-volume mailer, then...
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- Melinda
Why I Hate Salespeople: AT&T Pisses Me Off http://xrl.us/kkqts
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i was waiting for this explanation due to your tweet last night. they tried doing the same to me. i decided against it!
- Vincent Guerrero
Chris- It was like you mic'd me yesterday. I had the EXACT same experience in Redmond Town Center. In the town I grew up in this would have never happened. You'd see that salesperson at some point later. AT&T has proven Apple's original instincts, strategic partnering is HARD...it's damn near impossible. AT&T has failed this launch and this generation. Bloggers unite! Create a place WE own. I AM
- Ryan
Ryan, this must've been a decree handed down from on high - because http://ericgonzalez.wordpress.com/2008... had the exact SAME experience. I don't have half the pull of other bloggers out there, so this isn't likely to get much attention past the few of us who were stupid enough to ignore our own instincts.
- l0ckergn0me
When will companies and their employees ever learn?
- James Mowery
from twhirl
This is only an indication of how bureaucratic some companies are. They'll ampute a leg just to cut their toenails:( eBay & Facebook are proud members also.
- Roney Smith
chris, I almost fell for the same thing last year. On launch day I was at the Oregon Coast on launch day and couldn't get to an Apple Store. The only ATT store I could find lied to me about stock, then when I got inside, they had already entered all my info. In their system before they disclosed they were out of stock. I went nuts and wouldn't leave until they deleted evrything. This is why they FAIL.
- Bram Wessel
I was given the exact same line at an AT&T store in Alabama, specifically he said every AT&T in the southeast was sold out and the only way to get one was to place an order. I declined and found out later (via twitter), the apple store had plenty of stock for sale the next day. Plan on buying one from them when things settle down.
- Charles Dick
They are sleazes. I had a sales person at one of the corporate operated stores promise me a rebate on activation for my wife's Razr. After it didn't show up after a few billing cycles, I complained to the sales person. She apologized and said she'd taken care of it. I don't think it ever went through.
- Erik S
Wow. We need a platform to express our opinions, be heard. Something more influential. It's not FF.
- Ryan
me and AT&T go way back. had a bill about seven years ago, before Cingular. I ran up $500 because I went to Pittsburgh for about a week (phone kept on ringing and the damn phone kept picking up and charging me roaming fees). I told em that I wouldn't pay it. they wouldn't negotiate. five years later I'm told I owe thousands of dollars. I negotiate them to $3000 and they agree. I pay the $3000 and a year later they call me back and say I still owe the money. credit is a fucking joke. I'm not playin
- Noah David Simon
Don't be so sure. AT&T's executives and PR people are reading here.
- Robert Scoble
so if you think I'm getting an iphone?... HELL NO!
- Noah David Simon
if there are any AT&T people here reading... you can suck my BILL!
- Noah David Simon
I did the same thing. I've repeatedly checked the order status website on the receipt and it can't find any record of my order. I did not get the email confirmation the sales guy promised. Hoping they'll have it in the 5-7 days the guy promised.
- Ekedstrom
Seth Godin has blogged on the Apple AT&T created mess. http://tinyurl.com/5wfyo5
- Dave Martin
This is an interesting theory. While it's highly probable, iPhone is in 4th place with respect the Smartphone race. I'm not sure scarcity is a great way to rapidly penetrate a market you don't own...yet ;)
- Ryan
Dave Martin: I am not sure this is of any use for Apple. The iPhone fiasco can not be fixed with marketing. What the AT&T brand has done is a long term fiasco. They are squeezing the blood from rocks... and people will revolt. It starts with the pay system, and not marketing. Seth Godin is wrong. I don't care about the fools that wait on line to be first. They are fools and Apple should not cater to them. What I would like to know about is that roaming fee AT&T is after me about from ten years ago.
- Noah David Simon
@Ryan. Exactly. Further, his point about how the best customers are treated is spot-on. No respect = no loyalty.
- Dave Martin
Marketing has it's place, but with a cell phone you are talking about a long term service. The gizmo is just the start. Maybe Seth Godin has lost his touch. I have worked for many companies as a marketing person (unlike Seth Godin who mostly worked for H&H Bagels). H&H Bagels I talked into advertising into a Yellow Page for instance. It is the year long experience that really matters... not the morons that were zealous and waited in line for "Episode One". Those people will always be disappointed.
- Noah David Simon
Any bets on Chris's sales person not being a iPhone or AT&T user/customer?
- Paul W. Swansen
How can Apple really justify raising the price of service? Blackberry looks very appealing right about now.
- Noah David Simon
@noahdavidsimon: Are you kidding? I'm no iPhone fan, but I'd go with that before BB. My users love the BBs, but those things usually give me activation fits before I can hand them off. Oh, and NOTHING gets between me and my Exchange server. I have no idea what 3rd-party apps (free and otherwise) are available for BB.
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
from NoiseRiver
like I said "activation" is the tip of the iceberg. it is the long term service at AT&T that I have problems with. Moment I heard the it was going to be a "cingular" monopoly I knew the iPhone was not for me. I'm typing this on my Mac laptop PowerBook g4 that I love, but I'm not spending on a service that betrayed my trust so many times over. AT&T is a criminal enterprise that can not be trusted.
- Noah David Simon
I will take retro technology over being bamboozled. The nerve of those jerks making me pay roaming fees that I didn't owe them, then tracking me down seven years later. Then after I paid them they claim it was never paid. I'm still not out of the red from AT&T. They will not cooperate and never have. Parasites
- Noah David Simon
a bad service is like racism. you can't judge Loren Feldman over one video... and you can't judge AT&T over one instance. It is the pattern that really matters and AT&T is a pattern of swindling. The context is so important. Unfortunately it is the one instance that people react to as Richard Jewell found.
- Noah David Simon
@noahdavidsimon: Are people judging LF over one video? I thought there were at least four. For me, it started with one and became five.
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
from NoiseRiver
I don't care if it is 1 or 5... it is about a lot of context that we don't know. this is about a group of people that have been playing "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels" for some time now. Racism accusations are just so out of place at the point they were at. They used Race like a smokescreen and it was disgusting.
- Noah David Simon
AT&T it is about context of bad service. It is about how you made hard working people hurt. I spent my paycheck on AT&T service and they were tyrants.
- Noah David Simon
In Firefox, try these URLs: about:crashes / about:logo / about:buildconfig / about:cache / about:credits / about:robots / about:mozilla / about:logo / about:license / about:plugins
Bryan Clark, Paul Whitaker, David Silvernail and 17 other people liked this
Like about:robots
- Hutch Carpenter
You wrote about:logo twice...
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
Here's a song about:robots - http://allaboutgeorge.vox.com/library...
- cecily
Hey, I realized I haven't seen fail whale in about a week! I don't miss him.
Eric Geller, ·[▪_▪]·, Chris Rossini and Ed Ryan liked this
I didn't even know who that was and the thing even has a fan club. Oh, Wikipedia, what would I do without you??
- Carlos Herrera
you just jinxed it LOL
- Vincent Guerrero
Yeah, it'll fail now that you said that
- Damien Franco
No, i knocked on wood, everything will be FINE
- Veronica
I wonder how much money I've saved Apple (in support time and replacement hw) with this post? http://www.tinyscreenfuls.com/2006... They owe me some $$!
Ed Ryan liked this
OH in the jury room: "Facebook is a snobby version of MySpace." (aside: wish I'd brought headphones to shut out unwanted conversations)
Adam Turetzky, Royce Mathew, Ed Ryan and Jen F liked this
Of course. Been reading on the Kindle all morning. :-)
- Josh Bancroft
Ah... the Kindle is a snobby version of a paper book. ;)
- Kevin C. Tofel
@Kevin, <lol>!
- asiriusgeek
Let me guess, the person saying this isn't dressed properly for court
- Adam Turetzky
Adam, she was dressed pretty casually, but then, so am I (standard uniform of black t-shirt, cargo pants, and orange Crocs :-).
- Josh Bancroft
Of course! The Kindle really IS the snobby version of the book! ;-)
- Josh Bancroft
Your style doesn't sound that casual. You're wearing slacks, shirt and shoes. I'm imagining more along the lines of wife-beater undershirt, ripped sweatpants and flip flops. ;) It's usually the same person who when interviewed by the judge or lawyer begins to pontificate about how they can't be fair and impartial and one time I witnessed the judge back one of these people into a corner of almost talking themselves into jail. I wanted to applaud. :)
- Adam Turetzky
Believe me, I'm casual. Faded black geeky t-shirt, baggy cargos, and bright orange Crocs with white socks. But I know what you're saying. Most everyone was dressed fairly appropriately. I didn't feel underdressed. :-)
- Josh Bancroft
Bijan got the iPhone 2.0 software with location connected to the camera. Here we go! - http://bijansabet.com/post...
Ricky Engelberg, Leif Hansen, Bryan Landers and 4 other people liked this
Very cool.
- Patrick Jordan
Kambiz, pretty sure that's a 1G phone he has there.
- Dave Winer
Yeah... He clearly states "Just installed an advanced copy of the iPhone 2.0 software." Wouldn't have to install it on a 3G iPhone I wouldn't think... Plus, he responded "yes" to this question in the comments: "Awesome! but with a 1G does that mean it gives you the translocated area? or it doesnt work at all?"
- Ed Ryan
I suspect it will work on first gen iPhones, but of course the accuracy will be far less than the GPS-enabled iPhone 3G. Probably good enough for most LBS though... I'll let you know since I'm not upgrading to the iPhone 3G. ;)
- Kevin C. Tofel
I'm steering people to FriendFeed, can't help it. My discussions are happening there. And bonus: It pisses off Steve Gillmor. :-)
Harry Hoffman, Ken Kennedy, Mohamed J and 65 other people liked this
will be waiting for your friends when they come. I guess that is why they call it friendfeed. you bring 'em, and I eat
- Noah David Simon
@TheAnalysis Shut up you Flaming Troll
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Bonus points are good.
- Russellreno
Organization matters.
- Steve Rubel
yeah... I find it a little amazing that I've blogged for 3 years to little effect but I've had amazing conversations here on friendfeed. I love it.
- Stefan Hayden
Stefan: Same here.
- Russellreno
FriendFeed seems like a great place to converse, if only more people used it and the UI was more refined. Twitter+FF+IM=Viable?
- Kawika Holbrook
I have little if any complaints about the UI... I love it.
- Stefan Hayden
Is Jason using Loren to hurt Israel to get at you?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Dave, glad to see you on FriendFeed, it is great having your feedback here on things.
- Thomas Hawk
Igor, no -- I think it's about Scoble. I don't really know Shel very well, met him a few times over the years. JC's complaint with me appears to be that I wrote a bad review of Mahalo. If something else is bothering him, I wish he'd say what it is, without all the BS about meds, and mental hygiene and puppets. It's really unbecoming of a CEO who wishes to be taken seriously. When have you seen a CEO behave this way -- in public?
- Dave Winer
I personally do not see Mahalo as a viable search engine, even though Scoble claims it is to replace Google. SEOmoz Rand Fishkin called Scoble's opinion on search engines moronic! I grew up in the same neighborhood as Jason around the same people, so I know his ways. Nothing new! Give him a CEO title but he is still a Gumba!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I grew up in NY long before JC was even a zygote -- and I don't think it's tough to hire a comedian to taunt people. It's like hiding behind your mothers' skirt. I think he's a child, a baby, very immature. Not a tough guy. Not even slightly tough.
- Dave Winer
I'd spend way more time on FF if I could change the unreadable light-grey-text-on-white format. It kills my eyes. The conversations may be good, but the UI is horrid
- Lucretia Pruitt
@geekmommy - greasemonkey script? custom CSS? you can change the UI if you're really determined. :-)
- Dossy Shiobara
Well, we can get Massad after him! All it takes is one email. lol
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Ok Dave nice I see the picture clearly. When Loren first came out with criticism of Shel it was valid because of how Shel did the video interview, it was inane. So Loren goes making fun of Shel, which was funny at first. I told Learn enough, chill out. WTF you want from the guy, So he blocked me on Twitter, and then on FF. Loren is a real Tool. Did Jason get him, probably yes, the guy is sponsoring him.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Shel is not really a fighter and does not know how to stand up for himself, which is sad, because you need to have steal balls to deal with this guerrilla warfare. I say best thing keep all of this out in the open and let the community decide. People are not blind, they know who is sincere and who is a Flaming Troll like Loren.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
LOL!!
- Susan Beebe
I hear you it is Fascism! But I do not trust Scoble solution to enforce the Internet. Since when we trust Government? http://friendfeed.com/e... I want the Internet to belong to the People. By the people for the people.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
We as technological leaders of the Internet can police ourselves against a few bad apples. Remember it is the Internet Global Village.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
TechnoFascism. Shel Israel can play the role of Evita. Scoble is the new Juan Peron. Jason Calacanis as Benito Mussolini. Mike Arrington as Francisco Franco and starring the Shel Israel Puppet as Adolf Hitler!
- Dave Winer
I'm auditioning for the role of Leon Trotsky, hiding out in Mexico City.
- Dave Winer
Dave, you are being sardonic here. Scoble scares me the worse! He has young people following him blindly as if he is a demigod.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
yeah you must of seen my video. look at it this way @DaveWiner, I mean Trotsky. you get to f#(% a mustachioed woman named Frida http://www.seesmic.com/video...
- Noah David Simon
Scoble is now forming national technology policy. Scary. Dave, watch your back. Somebody took a hammer to Trotsky's head in mexico. Always bet on the stalinists -- they're not threatening at all, just simple agrarian reformers ;)
- Oldengrey (Jay)
we need to see more of this from A-listers. If you move your conversation here, your followers will follow suit.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Yeah Leon died a horrible death but as Noah says he got to do Frida before that. :-) On second thought maybe Scoble should be Stalin.
- Dave Winer
wow... @DaveWiner on the Anti-Scoble movement now too? I'm getting pissed. I started that.
- Noah David Simon
Frida would of been fun,Trotsky best of all the reds. Diego 1of da best artists there ever was. What a triangle
- Noah David Simon
Don't think Diego cared strangely. I'll play Diego
- Noah David Simon
I love Scoble! Come on who wouldn't want to play the role of Stalin in Tech Goes Fascist. He gets to blow up the swastika on top of the Reichstag! What could be more fun?
- Dave Winer
Marc Canter gets to play Baby Huey in the cartoon at Intermission. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Dave Winer
I'll just be Pancho Villa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... Che Guevara would be fine as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I left out Steve Gillmor. Hmmmm. I think he plays Howard Cosell and interview Loren Feldman who plays Joe Frazier to Shel Israel as Mohammed Ali. Feldman just sits there dumb and has no idea what to say while Ali messes him up. When they get in the ring Ali plays rope-a-dope. That's what hell will be like for Feldman.
- Dave Winer
So who plays George Foreman? And Don King?
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
u do realize I'm friends with Feldman's girl? I'm not taking sides here. I don't know Loren.... but I thought it was funny
- Noah David Simon
maybe I don't know Israel. has Loren made any ovations to include Shel and become friends?
- Noah David Simon
Loren's puppet could help if Shel joined Loren. Chevy Chase became good friends with Gerald Ford years after he mocked him.
- Noah David Simon
WHY! Why like this when its 5 days old
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
Oh, dang. I mis-liked. Srsly. *shrug* Oops.
- Ken Kennedy
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