I've seen this in Phoenix too. Maybe not quite as big, but it sure felt like it when you're watching it come at you. A giant wall of dirt.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Grew up in Muscat, Oman. Have been in these massive sand storms a few times when my dad used to take me on his plant inspections in the dessert. [Edit] They are not as frightening as they look.
- Kamath (नमः)
Kamath - it sure _looks_ horrifying, from the picture. Wow.
- Rick Cogley
I've never seen anything like this hahahahha
- Mona Nomura
In all seriousness, not such a bad idea. I once had to rescue a friend cause she was, as the packaging says, 'getting stuck it to' and she used the ceramic soap holder as an anchor point. The holder broke and a piece sliced her hand open, cutting two veins in her fingers. Blood everywhere, the 'sticker' just fled (mega-ass-wipe-asshole) and she called me on her mobile from the floor of the shower, bleeding. Came over, drove her to the hospital etc...
- Johnny Worthington
John, ceramic is some dangerous stuff, I split my thumb open once on something ceramic when I heard that my mom *might* move back to town.
- Pete Delucchi
Definitely looks like a good tool to have when yer given 'er what fer
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
LOL... I love the illustration of the office scene with the dude one hand on the device and the other hand holding the phone for that all important call with the facilities dept.
- Mathieu Ayel
Very adjustable item. The Double Up made me laugh so hard I almost flew out of my chair.
- Shawn aka ringking
some come from bird behinds, others come from reptile behinds, but very few come from mammal behinds, I'm looking at you duck billed platypus!!
- Geoff Schultz
I want ibat but really women i think those are the perfect shoes for the modern feminists if you didn't get him with the heel after burn him and being Superman I know i am the but what did that have to do with batman? Very funny list thank you Mona
- Cecil Sandus
the creepy bat ducke ftw LOL @Cecil: hahaha that shoe = new taser? LOL
- Mona Nomura
Describing new products as "clones" of something else and focusing on the similarities is generally useless and misleading. If new products were completely different, they would be incomprehensible to users. What's more interesting to me is hearing how the new product is different.
Philosophically I agree with you completely. Twitter isn't many things FriendFeed is, and vice versa. But when you post status messages of the ilk the social media mavens would post on Twitter, aren't you drawing more attention to the similarities than the differences?
- Robert Seidman
Lively, but I see it all the time with other products as well. People keep calling it a Second Life clone, then complain that it has all these differences from Second Life! I have a vague recollection of what the idea behind the product was a few years ago, and I thought it sounded kind of cool, but I don't see any of that reflected in the stories that people are writing about it because they are all focused on how it's kind of similar to some other product (that I don't even use anyway).
- Paul Buchheit
No one creates ex nihilo: Innovation IMHO is combinating stuff, and using analogies, sometimes real-life ones :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
It's like complaining that humans are just some kind of of chimp clone. The dna is 95% the same! (or whatever)
- Paul Buchheit
You get more buy-in to move from one product to another by describing how much like the new product is to the one you're already used to, only better. Change is frightening to most users: take a look at Friendfeed and Twitter. Friendfeed described by itself? Dumb stare from large portions of even the early adopter community. Say it's like Twitter, only better? They all switch over.
- Mark Trapp
Perhaps the word "mutation" is more appropriate as it suggests evolution... as in "Google was a mutation of AltaVista."
- Philipp Lenssen
For some reason, I am finding this to be the funniest thread I've seen all day.
- Robin Barooah
ah...oops. : ) But they're all clones of Club Caribe/Habbitat from more than 20 years ago. The bigger question may be why NONE of them really catch on with the masses.
- Robert Seidman
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... then it's a clone.
- Vince DeGeorge
Robert, Google wasn't the first search engine, the web wasn't the first hypertext system, etc. Sometimes it takes a while to get all of the details right, plus there are external timing issues that can make a big difference. To me, the interesting thing about Lively (as I understand it) is that it's more integrated with the web instead of being a whole separate world the way SL is.
- Paul Buchheit
Modern computer games are all Nethack clones anway.
- Michael C. Harris
Paul, good points thanks. I guess for me, when I saw HTML, I knew instinctively it was a bigger deal than GOPHER. I knew search was a big deal and insinctively could see Google was much better than Alta Vista. This isn't hitting me instinctively but that could just be because I'm old now.
- Robert Seidman
Reminds me of movie pitches - "It's Battlefield Earth meets Howard the Duck"
- Andrew Smith
Now that I've stopped laughing about the chimp analogy. I'l say that Lively looks way better for 'impromptu' meetings and special events - such as lectures or product launches. I wonder how it holds up to large numbers of visitors in the same room.
- Robin Barooah
Well, for better and for worse, it seems like this is how humans ("class human extends chimp" in Java?) assimilate new information, by relating it to what they already know. Musical groups are described as being influenced by other musical groups. Films are described as "'Aliens' meets 'Home Alone.'" Stereotypes and oversimplification are *the norm* for our species, because genuinely new stuff makes people think, and most people don't like to think. Thinking uses up glucose and oxygen in the brain.
- Karim
The brain already uses a disproportionate amount of the body's oxygen (25%) and most people work on minimizing that. (Doing things is considered more "fun" by most people when you don't have to *think* too much about them, when it becomes a reflex.) If you *prefer* new information, that means you like to think, and you should seriously consider the possibility that you aren't derived from class chimp after all. :-D
- Karim
And yes, that is oversimplifying for the humans in the audience :-D
- Karim
Paul - Think the better example is the myriad of articles comparing Twitter to Friendfeed. They both have a place, but are two completely different products. I did a brief on Lively. While it was difficult not to mention Second Life (because the broader audience sees a similarity), I did an edit within an hour to reflect to broader web aspect. I think some of it comes down to 'rush to press'. We can only hope some will not be afraid to make corrections
- Charlie Anzman
Cont: Or do their homework first .. and let someone else 'break the story'
- Charlie Anzman
agreed, nice primer - i tend not to use hide that much i just move on by since ff flows pretty quickly - i do tend to block more often lately though, mainly for those w/ high irritation tendencies
- mike "glemak" dunn
Thx Aaron. Particularly with microblogging platforms, definitely, but as I noted, I don't do it for blog posts (well foreign language sutff aside) because the good stuff is usually in something someone had taken effort in writing, as opposed to say a Pownce/ Jaiku/ Twitter update
- Duncan Riley
Great stuff! I do take a different opinion about duplication in syndicated streams, but otherwise very solid tips! Thanks!
- Phil G
J. Phil, one thing to keep in mind, if you start duplicating too much, people start hiding you. It's why I pulled things like Plurk out of my blog feed, and didn't add Identi.ca. The irony of course is that this is suppose to be a lifestreaming service, but I think we're starting to move past that very basic premise.
- Duncan Riley
Duncan - I will agree, people start hiding some of the duplicate content. Hopefully just enough so that they are no longer seeing the duplication, and they have chosen the services they prefer (like diigo over del.icio.us in my case, or mixx over digg). And if a conversation springs up, if they did the hide right, they will still see it.
- Phil G
I need to start hiding things more. Also, when did you start integrating TradeVibes into posts?
- Ben Parr
Here is my argument FOR duplication when necessary, and I guess I could make this into a blog post: I like an article, so I bookmark it and digg it. In theory, this generates FOUR entries in friendfeed: Diigo and del.icio.us, Digg and Tumblr. Looks like spam if you aren't filtering it, but some people will want to find me on digg, and others will want to see my tumblr. Why should I deny them?
- Phil G
My "like" here actually means I liked this. The one that really rang true with me is reciprocal follows. If you don't follow me, that's cool. But it's not likely I'll follow you long. FF really is a sharing kinda thing. If I wanted broadcast, I'd still be on Twitter.
- Chris Baskind
I hide everything I've read. In fact, at one point I was hitting the daily limit on hides and when I'd hit the link the little loading icon would sit there and spin.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken - that's one of the more extreme uses of Hide I've heard. But then, I guess you won't see this comment...
- Hutch Carpenter
I REALLY want to see the URL treated as the top level object. Six people each bookmarking and sharing and twittering a link shouldn't result in 18 new items in my feed...at least not by default. By default I'd like to see each of those actions appear as a "comment", and pop the item onto my list the same way a comment/like would. Here's my UI mockup :-) http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Ken Sheppardson
Agreed a great article!! I am new here and need all the help I can get.
- Mel Buckpitt
No, saw your comment, Hutch. Because I regularly go back and look at the items I've commented on or have hidden. I switch back and forth from "discovery" mode where I'm hiding stuff that's in my "inbox" to "converation" mode where I go back and follow-up on stuff I've seen/liked/commented on.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, but then who owns the thread? Right now, the moderator of a thread (and owner) is the person who published the item on which the discussion resides. But if there are multiple people publishing the same story, and they're all now part of one single feed, who gets top billing? And how would you handle reshares, or bookmarklet shares?
- Mark Trapp
If we take the time to 'clean up our own' stuff occasionally and throw a pointer to the primary thread (like this one already has) it will help for now. i have a lot of faith in the FF gang but right now, it's all in how you use it. First timers need to learn BEFORE they drop out.
- Charlie Anzman
As a strawman I'd say the first person to post the URL "owns" it (does posting an item really give you any form of "moderation" functionality??) Any subsequent twits, shares, likes, comments... whatever... show up attached to the original post. There's be no point to "reshares". Commenting or liking an item would serve the same purpose. A bookmarklet share would appear the same way (as shown in my mockup)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken - I can see link aggregation for a particular user's stuff, but link aggregation between users would cause a lot of confusion.
- Phil G
Ken, the other thing with consolidation is a lot of times, merging conversations wouldn't be interesting to people. One group of people might have an entirely different discussion about the content that a different group of people may have. Merge all the items together, we all have to have the same conversation. It's been brought up a few times tonight, but every time Friendfeed takes away the control from the individual experience, you run into problems. It's what makes Friendfeed Friendfeed.
- Mark Trapp
The forced merge of conversation doesn't seem to be the answer.
- Mark Trapp
Perhaps there's some compromise where FF could add a drop down list of all the conversations associated with a particular URL, next to the "More" link, for example. Could list the action, number of comments, and number of likes. Or somebody could just come along and write a full blown desktop client that would let us slice/dice the feed the way we want to see it (ala email)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, re the overall duplication: absolutely yes. I'd love nothing more than for FF to say list the primary link, the offer a supplemental list underneath of people who have Dugg, bookmarked, whatever under that. J.Phil, that goes to your point as well, although what I'd say is that although you can't avoid some duplication, but that doesn't mean you cant reduce it. If you're ping.fming Pownce, Twitter, Jaiku etc with the same message, do you need all three or more feeding into FF?
- Duncan Riley
Ken - There is a point to re-shares. If we start re-sharing to FF rooms, that concept will gain more wide-spread acceptance, and possible help all of this.
- Charlie Anzman
Duncan, I especially appreciated the unsubscribe without return follow tip.
- Michael C. Harris
Duncan, I think the user bears a HUGE responsibility not to pollute the stream by feeding three or four copies of everything into their account (e.g. blog RSS, tweet of their post URL, FF note of their post URL, etc) and to just perhaps designate one bookmark services as feeding FF (I don't need to know somebody bookmarked AND greader shared AND dug etc an article)
- Ken Sheppardson
Charlie, Good point RE rooms. Seems like it might be nice to just be able to tag an item and have it appear in the room as-is, with comment stream intact.
- Ken Sheppardson
What about merging feeds just on a user's account? It wouldn't do anything for multiple people sharing the same stories, but it'd mitigate the problem of people sharing their stories to multiple services on their feed. It would still allow for water-cooler fragmented conversation, as well.
- Mark Trapp
I have to agree with a lot of what you said here, especially the bit about unfollowing people. I cleaned out a lot recently for the very same reason.
- Ross Maguire
This just happened to me. There was a post with a tinyurl redirect. When tinyurl goes down, then link gets lost. Thus, duplication of the article occurs or the link gets reposted somewhere in the comments. I see this often on Slashdot when servers get slashdotted.
- Franklin Naval
Great article! Agree on the duplication of content. Sometimes it's just damn hard to think of all the possible ways, that the services will interact with each other. Will do it later on this week.
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Very good points, especially about the duplicates - there's nothing more annoying than to see the same links from the same person repeated 5 times from different services. The one point I don't get is the reciprocal following - I do have some "friendship" subscriptions & subscribers, but when I subscribe to someone who shares good links on a subject I'm interested in, I don't expect them to follow me in return. And when someone subscribes to me, I look at their content before deciding if I return-subscribe.
- Andrea Sturm
Thanks for the tips. Don't know if I could unsubscribe from those that don't follow me. I've only got 8 now and I want to keep each and everyone! That being said, thanks for the encouraging words towards the "hide" feature. I'm just figuring out the benefits of that.
- James Hull
I like this ... do you think "participation" sometimes though is 'you scratch my back and I will scratch yours'?
- Mrinal Desai
Its a Mac Sunset ,,, the sun shines brightly on Macs
- johnpiercy
dhuuuuunnnn... WALL*E charging complete. :-)
- AJ Batac
I find it amusing that the comment feed for the image is even anti-PC. Mac evangelists are funny to me.
- Greg Hollingsworth
from twhirl
Most of my Mac evangelist friends have learned that their former approach (snide, snobby, and condescending) doesn't really work and now they preach the praises of VMWare Fusion (or Parallels) and Bootcamp, showing people how they can run both Windows and OS X at the same time and so forth. I'm glad, too, because I was ready to begin with the strangulations.
- Akiva Moskovitz