Aka Peter Malcolm Keene Crossett. I have been up since 7 am yesterday. More later! From my phone. Please pardon brevity and autocorrect.
- laura x
from email
CLIR (Council on Library and Information Resources) is embarrassed to admit that it hadn't realized it was a member of the AAP, disavows their position on the Research Works Act, and states its intention to withdraw its membership: http://poynder.blogspot.com/2012...
- Catherine Pellegrino
(Links to additional coverage on the three we have thus far are also welcome; I just posted the three quickest links I could find.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
Honorary Mention to the University of Michigan Library for a comprehensive statement in response to the White House OSTP's request for comment: http://www.lib.umich.edu/news... (UofM Press is not a member of the AAP, but the UofM Medical School is.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
Academic Libraries of Indiana has composed a letter to...somebody...on the subject. That'll turn the tide for sure. </sarcasm>
- Catherine Pellegrino
Hey, they said something. Go them for being a good example. *How* many academic librarians look at scholarly-communication issues, EVEN TODAY, and say "not my problem" or (*glares at someone who knows damn well who he is*) "this is awful, but we mustn't actually SAY anything to anyone about it where we might be overheard"?
- RepoRat
There's some indication that Mike Rossner has weighed in: http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog... I'd kinda like to see a better source, though. Have asked on Twitter.
- RepoRat
Eisen just tweeted that it's real. Good enough for me.
- RepoRat
Poynder reports email from U of CA distancing selves from RWA. Sort of. Diplomospeak.
- barbara fister
Updated my post last night with this new info.
- Andy
Is it telling that when scholarly presses wish to correct the record, it's through email, not web? Is this not wanting to own it, or that they don't really know how to work that web thing?
- barbara fister
It's a cultural thing. I've gotten *so* many emails from publishing types that would have been better as blog posts. I think part of it is the expectation that issues will be worked out genteelly behind the scenes, with the corollary that if you try to shame or intimidate people privately, they'll stop criticizing you publicly. Not really the world we live in, now, but...
- RepoRat
hmm. Makes me feel as of I'm taking dictation for them.
- barbara fister
from iPhone
I think this same cultural difference is apparent between librarian management and librarian labour on this issue, and others just as library funding cutbacks. Personally, I think they can work in tandem in their own ways.
- copystar
Separate eggs. Whisk sugar and yolks until smooth. Pour in liquor slowly, whisking constantly. This will cook the yolks, so if they aren't whisked smooth with the sugar you will have bits of yellow floating in the nog. Add dairy, still whisking. Beat egg whites to soft peaks, then fold into the nog. Let sit for 24 hours. Serve with fresh nutmeg on top.
- Alex Scrivener
Is this that low cal version I heard about? o_O
- Mark J
LO CAL? GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM MY EGGNOG!
- Alex Scrivener
If you want lo cal, get a smaller glass!
- Alex Scrivener
lo cal... what is the world coming to?! <mutters under my breath>
- Alex Scrivener
With all that alcohol, it's like a dairy version of a Long Island Iced Tea
- Spidra Webster
It is a recipe of halves. Of the gallon of liquid, It is half dairy and half liquor. Of the half which is liquor, half is whiskey. Of the half which is not whiskey, half is brandy. Of the half which is not brandy, half is light rum and half is dark. Of the half is dairy, half is milk and half is cream. Then you throw in the dozen eggs and the pound of sugar.
- Alex Scrivener
So it's like a golden ratio for egg nog! (Sort of...)
- Mark J
Oh yeah, this is some great stuff! Every year I forget, and every year I am reminded again.
- Alex Scrivener
from iPhone
if you like coconut, there's a puerto rican style egg nog-type of deal known as coquito. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... that's not the recipe i've used, but those are the basic ingredients: coconut milk, condensed milk, rum and egg yolks.
- tiffany
I like coconut, but I am an eggnog purist.
- Alex Scrivener
Thanks for sharing, Alex. I'm going to hold some "taste test/QA trials" of your recipe around Christmas. If it's successful, you'll probably see about 15 drunken Jenny posts one evening.
- Jenny R
I'll be right over...unfortunately, this means I'll be there in 3 days.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Mmm, I'm at my mother-in-law's house and she makes something very similar. She makes the yolk/sugar/booze/dairy mixture the day before and folds the egg whites in right before serving though, I think. I know there was a bunch of Jameson's in it. Yum, can't wait - we get to drink it later today.
- Laura Norvig
Just did my first batch of this and it is nestled all snug for drinking tomorrow :)
- Jennifer Dittrich
It's gonna be great, I'm sure, because our systems guy is great and taking in lots of feedback and criticism and making changes. But given the way I use the catalog, the only real feature so far of the discovery layer is returning hundreds more imprecise, mostly irrelevant results for each keyword search.
- Your Neighbor Steve
Increasing recall is a deliberate strategy with discovery layers; precision is supposed to come by tweaking relevance ranking, which is not a trivial undertaking. Jonathan Rochkind has a walkthrough that I found enlightening: http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2011... . If you really like nerdy details, Naomi Dushay...
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- RepoRat
Thanks for the links, which I will read later. I'm aware that this is deliberate, I'm just not sure how helpful it really is, especially in the case where there really are very few relevant results and the search returns hundreds of "hits." I suppose I will have to re-calibrate my understandings and expectations, but I've always thought that getting back zero results or very few results...
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- Your Neighbor Steve
It's a question of changing expectations, I guess. For you and me, 0 results means "I fscked up my search." For most, it means "library ain't got nothin'; time to try teh g00g." Whereas large result sets aren't too horrible to whittle down by facet, which tends to be an easier strategy to teach (facets being easily visible on search-result pages) than constructing precise searches in the first place is. Rly the best way forward? I dunno. But that's the thinking behind it.
- RepoRat
My favourite implementations of Discovery Layers are the ones that keep the formats siloed. I particularly like the NCSU implementation because it puts Library WebSites results right beside the search results for in context local help: Here's an example: primary sources history http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/search...
- copystar
Given that our undergrads flee to JSTOR because it returns a more manageable number of results, I haven't yet figured out why I'd want a discovery layer.
- barbara fister
Fair cop. Undergrad institutions very possibly don't. They certainly have to weigh the multiple-places-to-search issue against the sifting-results issue. (See David Lewis of Purdue for bold assertions about library resources having significantly overshot undergraduates.)
- RepoRat
That's an interesting reaction, Barbara, because JSTOR seems like the harbinger of this stuff in the way it returns any and everything with your keywords in the article, depending on relevance ranking to keep the good stuff at the top. Our plan for "discovery" starts with just the catalog and some other local resources, not with lots of databases, so perhaps that's the difference.
- Your Neighbor Steve
Echoing Steve: if JSTOR returns a more manageable results set than your discovery layer, your discovery layer has some serious problems. Hoo.
- Catherine Pellegrino
I'll try and give David Lewis more of a fair shake another day. For now, I'll just say that the "undergraduate" in the first paper linked above is purely a product of his imagination.
- Your Neighbor Steve
Really? I thought the attributes Lewis adduces (start with the Web, convenience-of-access first, science undergrads disappear fastest) were pretty much common currency. Maybe that's another ARLs-vs-smaller-colleges thing?
- RepoRat
It's...fine as far as it goes. But it's not any kind of study of actual undergrads and actual behavior. He made it up from things he thinks he knows, as I might make up what the day of a public librarian is like from what I know on FriendFeed. It might be wrong or right, but I'd be making it up.
- Your Neighbor Steve
Yeah, that's a fair critique. (Same can usually be said of the stuff I write.) As a minor defense, a lot of that research actually got done between '05 and now, seems to me, so Lewis was a bit ahead of the times.
- RepoRat
To expand just a little, I'd say that it's certainly not wrong that undergrads, like all of us, are finding more of what they want on the web all the time, and finding that what is on the web is often good enough for their purposes, regardless of whether it is the *best* for their purposes. But something that this misses is that, at least at my institution, undergrads seem to be asked to do more complicated research more often than they used to be. Because more is possible, more is asked of them.
- Your Neighbor Steve
Oh, hey. Now THAT is interesting, and definitely worth writing about, if you've a mind. If you want grist for the mill, the undergrad-research posters coming out of UW Eau Claire are freakin' rad, and I can point you to the collection. I am SO impressed with what they do over there.
- RepoRat
Heh. It would involve actual research, I'm afraid. :D Lastly, I think that I simply just bristle at ANY broad-brush characterization of "undergrads" as if the soldiers back from Iraq and Afghanistan that my wife teaches and the idealistic kids from privileged backgrounds that make up a large part of CC's student body and a Chinese kid in biology at the University of California San Diego are suitable for generalizing about. But that's my problem as much as it is anyone else's.
- Your Neighbor Steve
Dorothea, the same is true of undergrads here. Faculty talk about that all the time, where students now can and do work quite effectively with resources that scholars of the previous generation only touched in graduate school, and the results are often great.
- lris
I believe it! Hell, even back in my undergrad days I wrote one or two things that even to my twenty-years-older-and-wiser eyes don't completely suck. So, a couple of questions about that: 1) how much of the student body are these projects actually reaching, and 2) what kind of engagement with library resources and librarians do these projects require (or at least imply)?
- RepoRat
Excellent questions which I'm not personally prepared to answer but really should find out. Next semester?
- Your Neighbor Steve
Educause prolly knows something about question 1. I r liberrian; I should possibly just look that shit up. *g*
- RepoRat
The whole discovery layer thing seems to be a sort of cargo cult for library administrators. At MPOW, the use of Web of Science is an order of magnitude over most other databases. Why? Small sets of key journals that cover a long period of time, strong linking to full-text, meaningful connections between items, and the ability to sort and parse results sets. Discovery Layers do the opposite in every way.
- copystar
I want to Like Mita's comment, esp the cargo cult bit. This, exactly this.
- Jason Griffey
from iPhone
A small piece of devil's advocacy: I like discovery layers because they bring the local digital library and IR back into The Library Proper. It's one less reason for traditional librarians to dismiss all things locally-digital. This may admittedly be poor service to undergraduates who need FIVE ARTIKLES NAO, but I prefer to think of it as bringing the library catalog a bit closer to the broader information world students will perforce live in after they graduate.
- RepoRat
Yes, Dorothea, that's one of our main goals. i also think that "do the stuff the catalog does, but better, and prettier, and without all the limitations that the Stupid ILS Companies impose" is perfectly fine. "Discovery Layer" != "Search 'em all and let God sort it out."
- Your Neighbor Steve
(Those are not the undergraduates I work with, RR.)
- lris
++Mita and I'll raise Iris's blank stare with a 0-0 that lasts minutes. When I wrote a not-awful paper as an undergraduate, I did it without searching the literature using library tools. I didn't know about them. I found things the way my teachers did, by seeking out connections and making some of my own. Today libraries want to act like Google (millions of hits! yay!) without having an...
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- barbara fister
And I see no virtue in spending time rejecting dozens of crappy sources in order to locate some that are on target and useful.
- barbara fister
Are you suggesting, Barbara, that the problems of research--for undergraduate or anyone else--are unlikely to be solved (or even improved significantly) by improved search algorithms? Because that's where my mind is going.
- Your Neighbor Steve
No, I think better algorithms would be dandy. Right now what turns up with a so-called "relevance" search is usually rubbish. We can make our searches look like Google fairly easily. We just can't make them act like Google.
- barbara fister
And, speaking from some experience, good relevance algorithms are damn tough.
- Walt Crawford
I guess I'd not argue against better algorithms, if they could be done. Just that Barbara makes me think that it's "easy" to write a relevance algorithm when you can assume that "more links = better." That's not always the case in academic searching, and sometimes it's the opposite. Perhaps a "Relevance Algorithm" facet would be cool, where you could apply different magical sorting techniques to your results.
- Your Neighbor Steve
I doubt anything about algorithms that work is easy. Google invests a lot in theirs. I would like to be able to push buttons for various magical sorting techniques, though. Give me more, give me less, give me local, give me global, give me mainstream, give me edgy, give me relationships by citations, give me articles using the same words in the title... just don't give me everything and tell me it's relevant.
- barbara fister
Great discussion as usual. Currently, the various contenders are still competing on size of index basically because the reason such products exist is to capture 100% of what you own. I suppose also the idea here is users will be doing very narrow specific searches getting few results. 1 or 2 word type keyword search users would be better off in a more specific database like JSTOR (given...
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- aarontay
Pull quote: "One way of thinking about transliteracy is as transfer of learning applied to communication and information technology skills. It is teaching with an eye towards adaptability. Interfaces change. Social media sites come and go. Students graduate and lose access to your library’s resources. Transliteracy simply asks us to prepare for these inevitabilities by asking whether we’re teaching skills that move across the diversity of information resources."
- Stephen Francoeur
... yeah, that isn't what they were saying six months ago.
- RepoRat
I don't find transliteracy very useful as a concept, but I also don't see that quotation at odds with what seems like the most-cited definition of transliteracy, That being Sue Thomas' “the ability to read, write and interact across a range of platforms, tools and media from signing and orality through handwriting, print, TV, radio and films, to digital social networks.”
- Your Neighbor Steve
Given the sheer number of SlideShare error pages I encountered, I'm not even sure I caught the whole argument...but, well, what RR says. In a way, it's like "Library 2.0": Once you have a Neat Name, there's an awful lot of energy devoted to making sure it stands for something new (and Guruable)--whether it does or not.
- Walt Crawford
[Yes, I read the entire post before looking at the slides. Didn't help convince me that there's something there. Not that my opinion matters. The opinions of conference committees, publishers, grant funders matter.]
- Walt Crawford
I guess I just think it'e reasonably consistently uninteresting.
- Your Neighbor Steve
I was at the presentation that Lane did and walked away thinking that I've long been doing the things that fall under his transliteracy rubric in my one-shot workshops (teaching transferrable skills, teaching how to use Google. and to how incorporate other media into the search/evaluate/use process, etc.) I still don't buy that the term truly describes a set of activities and abilities that info lit has traditionally overlooked or downplayed.
- Stephen Francoeur
@RepoRat: Surprisingly, this actually *is* what I was saying six months ago. Of course, I can only speak for myself.
- Wilk
@Walt: Frankly, I think the name is terrible. I'd actually be a whole lot happier if I never had to use the term again. But, it's out there, and there is some substantive research coming out of Liu's original Transliteracies team at UCSB. As to whether it's new, I don't really think it is. Scholars in education and psychology have been talking about this sort of thing for decades. Of...
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- Wilk
@Stephen: Sounds like your one-shots and mine have been similar: everything I talked about has been applied at UTC for years now. I think we're fortunate to work at fairly progressive libraries. However, there are a *lot* of instruction programs that could use a shot in the arm, so to speak. If a buzzword gets them to rethink what they're doing, I have no complaints.
- Wilk
@Wilk, I agree about the usefulness of a buzzword for those ends. I'm eager to hear how libraries are working with students to create work that goes beyond the usual research papers. How can we assist the student that is making a video and needs to bring in sources for use in that video? We help students find sources that they use in their presentations but are we really helping them...
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- Stephen Francoeur
@Stephen: I'm with you on Standards 4 and 5. For a variety of reasons, library instruction has had a lot of trouble addressing them. However, I think the more relevant ACRL Standard for my presentation is Standard 2, specifically Indicator 2, Indicator 3, and Indicator 5, which all deal with using multiple resources to find information.
- Wilk
Ok, really going to work on the lobbyconning thing this year - conf registration might be too much out of my own $ depending on my income tax sitch, but maybe.
- ellbeecee
Any tips for someone switching from an Android phone to an iPhone? Things to get used to? Apps to find? I'm a big Google users, including using Google Voice as my primary phone number. I'd love advice from those more learned than myself...
You'll not lack for apps, but the iPhone gVoice integration isn't nearly as tight as the Android one (unsurprisingly). I use my gVoice number with my iPhone, and just tell it to ring the cell #. The gVoice app is very good for voicemail and such...it's just not quite as seamless as on Android. There's a TON of apps to recommend, but mostly it depends on your use-case....what do you DO with your phone? LMK and I'll throw some recs your way.
- Jason Griffey
I decided to switch because I thought it would be wise to have experience on both platforms. Also, shiny. I tend to use my phone most often for reference. I look stuff up: I always used wikipedia, IMDB, various recipe databases, dictionaries, translation apps, and conversion apps for weights and measures.
- Laura Krier
I can use the same app to track my runs and workouts, so that's good. I'm wondering if it's worth it to continue using gVoice, but I love being able to respond to texts from my computer, and being able to read transcriptions of my voice mail.
- Laura Krier
I'm also totally open to hearing out just plain cool apps. I'm really bummed that there's no Amazon Cloud Player app for iPhone, but not surprised.
- Laura Krier
Laura, I was thinking of switching to android for the same reason but got lazy and upgraded the iPhone. And Siri.
- aarontay
Laura: there's no Cloud Player app, but the HTML5 version of the player is optimized for the iPhone, and works really well. It's not quite as good as a dedicated app, but it's close. Give it a try! Same thing for Google Music Beta.
- Jason Griffey
That's a really great idea! You should pass it on to the OAW sponsors. You might want to look at some of the Sparky award winners -- they'll be too short, but you could play several at a single lunch.
- RepoRat
Thanks! Copyright Criminals was new to me as was the Sparky Awards (how embarrassing)
- copystar
This is an 1:21 of John Wilbanks "The Fragmentation and Re-Integration of Scholarly Communication" , but I it is 52 minutes for the presentation and about 30 minutes of questions. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Just Joe
Just as a follow-up. I'm not doing this series this year on account that we might be going on strike during Open Access week and the irony of it all is too painful.
- copystar
I grabbed an old notebook to take with me to a talk on campus. Paging back through it, I realized that it has notes from my very first conference as a librarian, and here, on page 21, is where I met Jason Griffey and he gave me his blog URL.
awww…even in my handwriting. But it wasn't at a conference, it would have to have been at ACRL Immersion, I would think, since that's where we met.
- Jason Griffey
Yep. The conference ended a couple of pages before I met you. I also attended a Moodle implementation meeting before I met you. (paper notebooks don't fill up very quickly when I take most of my notes on my computer.)
- lris
Immersion was your second conference (or similar professional activity), I think. I met you at your first conference about four months earlier. [ETA: Oops. I didn't read the context properly, and missed the chronology.]
- Julian
Yes, in fact, you were the first proto-LSW person I met at that first conference, Julian, followed a few hours later by Greg Schwartz and Louise Alcorn and Tom Ipri.
- lris
Study rooms! If you have 'em, how do you go about allocating time and space in them in an equitable manner? We have them first come, first serve, and so the first six people who get to the library get them and park there all day. This is not cool. Then again, having the ref people spend all their time policing study rooms is also not cool.
Maybe you need some sort of reservation system like some academic libraries do. Or put up a pay wall to reserve the room for all day use.
- ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫
Our reservations work on what we call the 2-2-2 rule. You can reserve a room for up to 2 hours, with a minimum of 2 people, up to 2 weeks in advance. (fwiw, we're an academic library)
- Elizabeth
We make them groups-have-priority, but other than that, it's first-come-first-serve. Any kind of rules (even groups-have-priority rules) do require some kind of policing, though? Otherwise you are just setting people up to expect the library's rules to be irrelevant.
- Marianne
Yeah, I know it will take some policing. I'm just trying to figure out what will take the least. Take reservations only for set times? (What if the time is 10-12 and 12-2 and they come at 11? or 11:30?) Sign people in whenever they show up and kick them out after 2 hours? So confusing.
- laura x
We have an online reservation system. 3 hours per day per person maximum, 2 people minimum to a room. If the room's not reserved, then anyone can use it.
- Jason P
Jason said what I was going to (and we just went to a new system - it's Open Room from Ball State)
- ellbeecee
People check them out (they are set up as faux items) via the circ system for 2 hours. They can renew if no one is waiting.
- marthalib
Groups of two or more can check out study rooms for two hours at a time. If no one else has placed a reservation, they can extend their reservation on an hour-by-hour basis. Reservations are accepted online, via phone, or in person and can be scheduled for any time during the current undergraduate term. Reservations are limited to one per day, per group (all members).
- Soup in a TARDIS
Elizabeth's 2-2-2 rule is what we also do. If people come in at 11, and the next reservation is for 12, the 11 person can have it for an hour, or come back at 2 and have it for 2 hours. First-come sign-ups, no MORE than 2 hours, no guarantees. A single person using a room will be ejected in favor of letting in a legitimate group.
- Jenica
We have an online reservation which lets you book up to 2 hours a day. (Per person - we don't have it fancy enough to keep track of all members, so if a group is really savvy they could theoretically book for 2 hours in one name, 2 hours in the next, etc. I don't think this much happens though.) If it's not in use anyone can use it but is liable to be kicked out if someone who booked it turns up.
- Deborah Fitchett
3 hour reservation. if no one else reserves for the time after them they can stay until someone asks for it, but no back to back reservations.
- kristin buxton
Had to wait on posting this until today. Many people have mentioned room reservation software, so I wanted to point out that Springshare just released a free version of LibCal, a calendar system that also has a room booking component. You can set it up so that people are limited to a certain amount of time each day. Let me know if you want more deets!
- Laura H.
Those darn vendors, butting in here with useful information.
- Your Neighbor Steve
We check out our rooms--they're locked. You can check one out for 2 hours at a time, though I think if you're working in a group the next person in the group can probably check it out, especially if we're not busy. The ones on the 2nd floor get used a lot, downstairs in the lower level less so--despite that they are bigger and have TVs to project and half of them get a TON of natural light.
- Hedgehog
Individual or Group study rooms: reservations (4 hour blocks) have priority, reservations must be made 24 hours in advance. No singles in group rooms. Haven't maxed out on use, so currently can "renew" once. We open the staff conference room after 5 p.m. for student use. Presentation Lab has priority for people actually practicing presentations, but can be used as a group study room. Use the University software to reserve the rooms, staff enters the reservation to prevent [obvious] monopolization.
- Kathy
You may have to enforce sharing. We have a policy that people can reserve rooms for 2 hours, but basically have to renew it afterward for 1 hour intervals. That way, someone else can get a crack at the room but we don't immediately boot people.
- Andy
Our check-outables check out for three hours at a time. No renewals, generally - if you come back in 30 minutes and it's still available, then we'll check it out to you. We don't police them hardcore, so it's possible you could snipe the room with another member of the same group if we don't remember the face. We have 2 reservable study rooms that students can reserve for 3-hour blocks ahead of time. We also do have a handful of first-come first-served rooms that people tend to park in all day.
- ωαřмaiden ☆TeamOtto☆
At the part time job, all of the study rooms are first-come, first-serve. However, we have six up-to-two persons rooms, one up-to-four persons room (which I watched as one group crammed 10 people into the other day), and one up-to-six persons room. The two more-than-two persons rooms are kept locked when not in use as the people using it are required to leave ID/keys/something they...
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- Katie
Like Martha, we use our circ system, though the calendar function is incredibly clunky. People can book up to 2 hours at a time, and they seem to police themselves quite well. (http://catalogue.mcgill.ca/F...)
- Megan F
Two hours at a time, groups have priority, med/nursing students have priority over undergrads. I think we used to require a group at certain times of day, not sure if that is still the case. Renewals only an option if there's no wait list.
- Rachel Walden
Ooh! Shiny and efficient! What's the CMS used on campus?
- Julian
Funny, we just did a new page. Have had catalog from page one for a while, but now it's all much simplified. We do not have a Crown Jewels tab - sob - but then, we are short on crown jewels.
- barbara fister
Julian, the CMS is Reason, an open source CMS that our web group developed.
- lris
Oh, and I forgot to mention that the facelift unveiling extends to our catalog, which now has VuFind goodness.
- lris
oh, you went with VuFind? somehow I didn't know that
- marthalib
Querying the hive mind: we have, perhaps belatedly, finally switched over to the web version of SciFinder Scholar, which requires that users register for an individual username and password. ACS requires us to link to the registration site only from a secure (authenticated users only, I think?) page. How are you handling this at your library?
After conferring with the Chemistry department, we're placing the link to the registration site on Chemistry department course Blackboard pages. This strikes me as sub-optimal, because what if someone who's not in a Chemistry course needs to use it?
- Catherine Pellegrino
Can't you just click the registration link? And then create an account with your .edu email address?
- Meg VMeg
Yes, once you click the link you're fine - it's the page that HAS the link on it that has to be restricted to your campus community. We have ezproxy, but no easy (heh) way to create a page that's limited to proxied access only.
- Catherine Pellegrino
... what prevents you from publishing the link to all and sundry? I smell rly bad security here somewhere.
- RepoRat
Nothing is actually preventing us, but ACS's license forbids us from publishing the link on a publicly-accessible web page. (Again: getting this all secondhand, quite possibly garbled beyond all recognition.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
... uh-huh. That's gonna work. Sure. Where's Aaron Swartz when you need him?
- RepoRat
RR - this is *ACS* *&CAS* you're surprised?
- Christina Pikas
I mean, for notorious IP paranoiacs, that's a hella lackadaisical approach to security.
- RepoRat
*head explodes* We have the registration behind what we call Passport York authentication.
- John Dupuis
We have a links on our website, but the links to go a page on our website that you have to log in to see, and that web page has the links you need to actually use SciFinder Scholar.
- lris
Yeah, the obvious thing is to put it on our intranet, which is -- theoretically, at least -- behind an authentication wall. But this is what the Chemistry dept and campus IT came up with, so... *shrugs shoulders*
- Catherine Pellegrino
You don't have the ability to lock down pages on your site to campus users only? That's what we do. Then it works for everyone.
- lris
To my knowledge, we don't have that ability on the library web site or the public campus website, no.
- Catherine Pellegrino
"to my knowledge" = it's quite possible that we DO have that ability and I just don't know about it, but if we did, wouldn't campus IT know about it? Wait, don't answer that one...
- Catherine Pellegrino
If you proxy the link to the registration page, you have not published the link to the registration page - you have basically published a link to the proxy login page. That should be plenty sufficient.
- awd
But won't on-campus users be able to get to the proxied page without having to log into the proxy first?
- Your Neighbor Steve
We've just proxied the link, and IP-based access is allowed afaik. OTOH there's almost no walk-up access to computers on campus anymore (most need you to log in with uni username/password), and *anyway* it's impossible to register to SciFinder Web unless you have a university email address, so I really don't know what their fuss is all about.
- Deborah Fitchett
I send people the passwords by email, plus library staff have the email they can send out if they have a request at the desk. I think the issue is that people can see the URL and copy it to get pirated access somehow. ACS also had a problem with their proxy certificate about a year ago, so we had a lot of issues with that too.
- Elizabeth Brown
It is really *really* hard to get pirated access to SciFinder; copying the url won't do it. SciFinder has more security than my bank just for their passwords, and then there's IP/proxy authentication on top of that, and then on top of *that* you have to register with an email address from your institution's domain. The only non-kosher access to SciFinder I've ever heard of has involved people sharing passwords, and hiding a URL away does nothing to prevent that.
- Deborah Fitchett
You're right, Deborah. I think the real reason is CAS is paranoid, and almost irrationally so, about pirating. I was under the impression, when CAS showed us data from illegal downloads when I was at the ACS conference in 2009, that hackers were also getting usernames and/or passwords somehow and also circumventing the IP filtering.
- Elizabeth Brown
I used to work at UCSD, with a lot of pharma and biotech in the surrounding area. Word was, the companies would get database passwords from students or just simply hire students and use them for their access. If you think databases are expensive for colleges, you should see what the ACS charges industry.
- Your Neighbor Steve
I have the link hidden in a proxied tinyurl from libguides, http://0-tinyurl.com.bianca.pe... via http://libguides.du.edu/scifind.... So, the only way to get to the /real/ URL is if you have a DU ID number and passcode. I could have put this through our portfolio pages with limited access to DU peeps only, but this was slightly easier. Make any sense?
- Just Joe
In my previous comment, I think my point was that ACS is not necessarily irrationally paranoid about pirating, but they steps they take to prevent that pirating may indeed be irrational.
- Your Neighbor Steve
I certainly agree with you Steve. There is a lot of trading of passwords for the SciFinder database, since once you register, you can use it off campus, pretty easily. Just give your login id and password to your friend in China, and tell him or her where to click, and they are golden.... Until the they notice strange download patterns, and then they send you 6 warnings saying that something is wrong. [Not that anything like that has happened anywhere I am familiar with....]
- Just Joe
About five guys names Steve, Stephen, Michael, and or Jason. Michael Stephens can pull double duty, triple if he changes/reveals his middle name to be "Jason."
- Your Neighbor Steve
Joey Digits. . . oh wait, that's not his real name.
- laura x
Karen whatsit and Michelle thing should be there too ( bonus if middle name is Kate or a variation of K(C)athe(a)r(i)yn(e) )
- Kathryn says love n peace
When I was in Montreal, Amy's friend the LIS professor got very excited about Graham Lavender and his partner Amanda Halfpenny. She said they sounded like a secret agent couple.
- Jason P
Etienne Posthumus at TU Delft Library (bonus points for his first name being a French version of "Stephen" and for the awesome self-description on his blog: http://www.epoz.org/)
- Stephen Francoeur
There's a Sonnet Irish on the humanities librarians list. That's my favorite name ever.
- ωαřмaiden ☆TeamOtto☆
I am suddenly sad about how mundane my name is. All I can say is that I have the names of two different train lines, and that's just sad.
- Katy S
My name's plenty weird, just not amusingly weird. All in all, I can live with that.
- RepoRat
<threadjack> My mom worked with a woman whose name was Peola Smith. Peola married a man whose last name was Smith. Peola decided that she wanted to keep her maiden name as well, so she hyphenated her name. Yes, she became Peola Smith-Smith. True story. </threadjack>
- Andy
Andy, that reminds me of an author I worked with when I was in publishing. He was a psychiatrist named Robert Emde (the last name was pronounced em-dee). So he was Robert Emde, MD, or alternatively, Dr. Emde.
- Stephen Francoeur
Yes, Galadriel! I knew there was another LSW person on the Special Round Interest Table.
- Your Neighbor Steve
Our music librarian in my last job was named Clinkscales.
- Jason P
<threadjack>My former primary-care physician was Dr. Pepper. Seriously.</threadjack>
- RepoRat
<threadjack> We just hired Dr. Plague to work in the Biology department.</threadjack>
- Jenica
Jenica, did you run a background check? He sounds like a supervillain.
- Jason P
in re: background checks, my orthopedic surgeon is Dr. John Savage. If he were less austere and serious i'd ask him if he's a comic-book character.
- Jenica
holy crap, have y'all seen the comments? Apparently, there are three kinds of librarians: the ones who read cover letters, the ones who think cover letters are a torture device, and the ones I want to hire.
- Jenica
I am recommending this post to people I meet at SLA. Just so you know.
- Zamms
cool, Zamms. They can join the chaos in the comments. :) (holy crap.)
- Jenica
I'm so glad this came back up in my feed so I could look at the comments. /O_O\ /O_O\ (See? I needed TWO of me to make my eyes go as big as I wanted them to)
- ωαřмaiden ☆TeamOtto☆
I'm really somewhat dumbfounded by some of those comments. I didn't think that anything you wrote was all that radical. At least, it was in line with everything I've been taught (and a great reminder for those who need it). But, apparently a lot of people haven't learned to do these things well. Still, the animosity towards the post is puzzling. *shrugs*
- Katy S
Oh, I am recommending the comments too. "Whether or not you get a job may be dependent on which comment you say 'Oh hell yes' to."
- Zamms
I hadn't looked at most of the comments. "Holy crap" is my only sane response. Seeing to it that your cover letter and CV are typographically coherent? That's too much to ask for a professional position? Really? And, y'know, gramr is, so--oldskul! It must be nice that there are so many high-paying jobs that people think "whatever" is the right attitude for applications. Not my world, but a nice one, I guess.
- Walt Crawford
yah, aren't they lucky to have such luxury of choice that they can be all free-form and non-conformist in their job search, free of the tyranny of fonts, and The Man won't judge them by their weirdness but by their evidence of performance which is presented through, what, interpretive dance? Because it's apparently not in a CV or cover letter... (aw, crap, I slipped into snark. I was trying not to do that. but apparently not trying very hard.)
- Jenica
I'm smirking my evil smirk, Colleen. You know, my Evil Manager Smirk, which I wear while cracking my Failed Academic whip and spouting Self Promoting Prose. (Ok. Enough. I'm'a go to bed before snarky turns into bitchy.)
- Jenica
Remembering when I sat in on a couple of sessions where job candidates had to do presentations for all & sundry...at times, an interpretive dance might have been a breath of fresh air. Guess as to the percentage of people giving such presentations who didn't have 99.9% perfect resumes and cover letters: about 0%.
- Walt Crawford
The comments are off the chain. I needed that laugh. About to chair a search and I'm bracing myself. And yes, the cover letters will be important since being able to effectively communicate in writing (via email) is very important when you're working with faculty and students who spend most of their time in the field.
- Mary Carmen
Wait... there are other ways to learn things besides school? Like, say, in a blog post by a library director?
- Zamms
Jenica, can you help me learn the Evil Manager Smirk at ALA? I'm not sure I have it quite right, and I do want to advance through the ranks.
- ellbeecee
Laura, we will practice. I predict you will do better after a drink or two. Evil Managers are often tipsy managers. #protip
- Jenica
using alcohol as a coping method is never a good idea #hahaonlyserious
- DJF
Liking and saving for the future. We just had a career prep session and while it was good and professional, this post cuts the fat and gets right to what we need to know. Thanks for that.
- Derrick
I am adding your post to the next job posting I am in charge of. PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU PROCEED WITH YOUR APPLICATION.
- rochelle rochelle
I wonder how many people who think the cover letter doesn't matter are single...
- Andy
ha! Andy, that's funny. and worth considering, presuming you're going for "if you don't care about the formalities of personal presentation, how's that work out for you?"
- Jenica
No, encourage them to screw this kind of stuff up!! It'll give me a leg up when I turn in my perfectly prepared resume and cover letter. I need all the help I can get, and if you want to shoot yourself in the foot, I'm not going to get in your way ;) As someone who has essentially spent the last seven or so years constantly "applying" for positions, whether it was for a job or a slot on...
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- Katie
IT savvy folks in my world have been bitching for the last year about how our students and faculty "don't understand where their files are". The question Apple is posing is a good one: What if that's not WRONG? What if the user isn't broken?
- Jenica
Twenty years ago, I got into an argument with a unix greybeard about the fact that graphical file managers made it easy for users to put spaces in filenames. It's the same thing, all over again. The problem is that the users are ahead of the technology, mostly. This is why Apple's "spotlight" search system is so good, and why Iris stores everything in Evernote: because MS doesn't do search the same way.
- DJF
I've been feeling this vague guilt that my files are a disaster -- everything's on the desktop, in a folder called Desktop to Sort, or loose in Documents. But y'know, who CARES? A bunch of people who want me to care about file systems? *I* don't care. I use spotlight to find shit when I need it, and it works fine... P'raps I'm not broken, and Apple's on to something about user behavior.
- Jenica
I also feel that vague guilt. When I was talking to Iris last week about Evernote, I told her I have dozens of email folders and filters and stuff, and she said, "Oh. You're one of _those_ people."
- DJF
I stick with files and folders, because I am terrible at desktop searching. I don't always remember enough about what I'm looking for to make it discoverable.
- Mark Kille
I think of this as limiting, because it assumes I work a certain way; which for me is Not True. But then, my only Apple use is ipod and itunes (though I will admit that I am moving toward an ipad).
- bibliotecaria
Maybe different people need different models or non-models? I use project folders and subfolders--a lot--and would regard a loss of a good hierarchical browsing system as broken...FOR ME. (And if I screw up, Windows' search system works just fine to recover.) But, well, different strokes... (What I have in "...Documents": Nothing. My system doesn't work that way.)
- Walt Crawford
I like a well-organized file system with folders and sub-folders. For email, searchable chaos.
- John Dupuis
Jaron Lanier in his book "You Are Not A Gadget" takes an interesting shot in a similar vein, saying once the current linear/heirarchical file saving systems were established, no one ever thought to go back and innovate, so we're essentially stuck with something that came about decades ago because "that's the way it works."
- ωαřмaiden ☆TeamOtto☆
John, I do too, but the problem is that so much of my stuff needs to be in multiple folders. So I find myself depending on search more to find things.
- DJF
I like both hierarchical and big-puddle approaches. And more and different stuff too. Why are we (consumers, sellers, etc) so bound to picking one true way?
- Marianne
Because multiple modalities are hard(er) to program? :-)
- Jason Griffey
I'm just chiming in to say that I agree with both Walt and John - I like my organized files and while I don't think everyone needs to understand file structure at a techie level, I would be unhappy if I *couldn't* understand it. Email, though, I use labels but almost always find things via searching... My concern with making it easy to not understand file systems and storage of files in...
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- Webgoddess Needs A Drink
Just stopped by to say that I do think that there will be a shift as people move from metaphor to metaphor. If you become a computer user during a time of one metaphor, you become accustomed to it. I also think there are good arguments to be made for the system just doing this stuff FOR you, especially in the age of huge amounts of data.
- Jason Griffey
Note that this is about techie people saying that people are "doing" files and folders wrong. No, they're not: they're using files and folders the way they want to. If you want to have nested folders with files in them, knock yourself out.
- DJF
I hadn't thought about it before, but I tend to approach email as a searchable hodgepodge (thanks to long use of Gmail, likely) and my computer as a relatively highly organized folder system. I never think to use Spotlight on my Mac or iPhone, because I do better with remembering where it is than what it's called.
- Jandy
I was in an excellent conversation on G+ the other day about the generation of which I am a part being, quite probably, the only really computer-savvy generation (in a wide way) because of the fact that when we were learning computers, we couldn't ask our parents or teachers for help. We learned to muddle through on our own. Our parents never really got it and our kids (mine...
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- Webgoddess Needs A Drink
Full disclosure: I do everything in massive piles, and rely on search and metadata to find them. I organize as little as humanly possible, and realize this almost certainly makes me an outlier in the library world. I grok the desire for organization, I just don't see the need.
- Jason Griffey
DJF: I agree with what you're saying, as long as that includes the whole comment. But a *shift* in metaphors, as in OSes that simply don't support organized file systems that are in any way visible to the user, eliminates the option. (Can you do folders on an iPad?) I don't think Jenica's doing it wrong. I don't want my own options removed.
- Walt Crawford
Once everything is managed through the app store and apps there's really no reason for a file system anymore. Can't say I like it, but it makes sense.
- Todd Hoff
Walt, I have no idea whether you can or not. But if there are tags (and the Apple filesystem supports tagging, although it's disguised and not used much), then you can have something that looks like folders. Just like GMail doesn't officially have folders, but you can make it look like it does.
- DJF
Oh, Webgoddess: Yep, too bad those of us now at retirement age never did get computers. A shame, really. (OK, you admit it's a wildly broad generalization...)
- Walt Crawford
*Wildly* broad, Walt!! The conversation on G+ was actually more about systematic thinking about computers and the fact that kids today don't have to do the same kind of troubleshooting process. My son just yells for me - that's his troubleshooting methodology. My parents didn't really care about computers until I got into them enough to show the utility. My personal experience being extrapolated to hell and back, I agree...
- Webgoddess Needs A Drink
Hierarchies of files are useful. Filesystems as a technical concept, maybe not so much. The problem I struggle with is networked drives: I have too many different hierarchies into which I might have put something: my local computer, the shared drive for my department, my personal networked drive provided by the university, and a couple of other ones. So, where did I put it?
- DJF
(tangentially, I am amused that the conversation that Jenica linked to in her "Library day in the life" posting for yesterday is not the conversation that people will find today.)
- DJF
This is one of those moments when I look at the discussion and think that as long as no one's saying that other people are doing it wrong, I agree with you all. We're all doing it the right way for our own styles, lives, and experiences. And is it "fair" for Apple to change your options? No. But life's not frakkin' fair, so get over that one. And does that mean that some people will not...
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- Jenica
I'm personally totally intrigued by the fact that Apple is capitalizing on user behavior in ways that "break" the old metaphors. I like seeing where that kind of innovation goes. *clutches pearls* "It's simply not DONE that way!"
- Jenica
My interest in this move is that the file/folder metaphor is one that was created for historical understanding, and is modeled on physical objects. As I've said a few other places: The Digital is Not like the Physical, and the more we come to grips with that, the better off I think we are. The model that I think Apple is moving towards is not burdened by the presuppositions of physical organization. I _like_ that.
- Jason Griffey
hell, I wish i had spotlight for my DESK. I do very poorly with physical organization...
- Jenica
See, Jason, I start to grumble a bit only to the extent that others might copy Apple. *You* want to move away from models that link to the physical. Fine--for you. I don't have that desire. I would be damned unhappy if Windows 9 abandoned a (possibly optional) hierarchical file/folder concept. (Hey, I *like* having several ways to do things, not The X Way, never mind who X happens to be.)
- Walt Crawford
I'm not sure if Jason says this exactly, but I'm guessing that this is a step toward the ultimate convergence of the Mac OS and the iOS into one. As a user, while I like my iPad an awful lot, this lack of a file system is one of the things I don't like about it, not because I like to put my files in folders, but because I like having more control about which applications get to use...
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- Your Neighbor Steve
I'm just waiting for someone else to see the "Think different" with the bite out of the apple as a Milton reference.
- laura x
This discussion has been really interesting as an outsider. I really like the metaphor idea and that no single user is really "broken". Apple is clearly cultivating a certain type of user though.
- Georgie Bestie
Steve: I don't think that Apple's model is that at all. It just swaps the directionality: instead of you thinking of a "file" that gets "opened" by an app, the new model is that you choose the app you want, and it presents you with all of the data that you can manipulate with said app. It's the same in your use-case…you choose the app, tell it you want X data.
- Jason Griffey
Hierarchical versus flat systems of organization are an eternal debate, no? I'm not that old, but I still remember when subdirectories were the innovation, and flat directory structures were the Way Things Worked.
- Victor Ganata
Kendra: I think if we know anything about human/computer interaction, it's that ALL systems cultivate a certain type of user.
- Jason Griffey
FWIW, gang: I embedded this discussion in my original post. Lots of great stuff here, wanted to make sure new readers found it.
- Jason Griffey
Jason, each user their system, each book its reader. The thing that kills me, and I suppose this is a personal defect that extends well beyond computer systems, is how people are reluctant to acknowledge that they are cultivated by the makers.
- Georgie Bestie
"You choose the app you want, and it presents you with all of the data that you can manipulate with said app." If that's how it works, great. I'm not sure that my iOS apps can do that yet? Find all the stuff they can open wherever the "file" (I mean, there must still be a file, in terms of organized digital information, right?) resides?
- Your Neighbor Steve
The types of data that you see on your phone or tablet are still somwhat restricted. I can tell you that that is the way that apps work on the Mac and on Linux. Well, given that it's presenting me with the file that it can process within a given directory.
- DJF
There's the fact that the metaphor of directly opening a data file was also a huge innovation at the time. Basically, the iOS file system is a regression to the 8-bit days of yore when subdirectories didn't exist and the only files you could directly open were executables. I wonder if the only reason they're doing this is because such a file system is technically much less demanding.
- Victor Ganata
In technical terms, filesystems are databases of a sort (think of a file as a named chunk of data). The Palm PDAs didn't have filesystems at all: they had a database. So it's probably more than IOS is moving away from the filesystem and more towards a differently structured database, with chunks of data having names and other metadata associated with them, but the hierarchy not being so important.
- DJF
In some ways, the hierarchical nature of file systems originally stemmed from the low level organization of data on the actual physical media. There has always been a move to greater and greater abstraction. Hard-links, soft-links, mount points, network file systems have been moving farther in this direction, where the user has to care less and less about how data is physically recorded...
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- Victor Ganata
Except that "subdirectories" bear a striking resemblance to a metaphor for a hierarchically arranged set of files: offices, cabinets, drawers, and folders, say. And there are people and organizations that arrange things like that.
- DJF
True, but that just explains why the metaphor has persisted long after the hardware and low level software actually required it. And no one really keeps folders within folders IRL, I don't think. And while hierarchies are a useful way to organize things, as you pointed out, it's not the only way to do it, and they clearly have limitations. It really seems that people mostly ended up using subdirectories to codify user metadata, because there was no other real way to do it at the time.
- Victor Ganata
Victor: Actually, I keep folders within folders, if you define Pendaflex folders as folders. So, I'd guess, do many Pendaflex users: The major division is the hanging folder; minor divisions are file folders. Come to think of it, *first* level division is the file drawer itself, if you have more than one.
- Walt Crawford
I guess that proves that no single organizational system could possibly satisfy everyone :)
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
If I ever do decide to give the google+ thing a go, I will only set up nine circles. Obviously, I shall name them Limbo, Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Anger, Heresy, Violence, Fraud and Treachery. Yes, they will be Dante's circles of social media.
My inner child is total gluttony. My outer child controls my inner child :(
- Janet-The Bottley Crue
I am old Fraud and Treachery thses days apparently too much gluttony and lust in my youth
- WarLord
Don't put me in Limbo, my back is bad enough as it is!
- Mark J
Wong limbo. You'll be pleased to know that this version frees you from all physical constraints except for, you know, being able to move and do stuff. But hey, it makes for a whole lotta great introspection time. Except for the babies, of course. They're just bored and don't know what the hell is going on.
- Slippy
fwiw, Limbo is not considered Catholic theology, a common misnomer.
- Janet-The Bottley Crue
I know. I was just mixing my metaphors. You know, for funsies. In fact, do I recall correctly that unbaptised children of catholic families will be sent to purgatory?
- Slippy
Having been raised a Methodist, I'm pretty sure limbo involves drinking *only* watered down grape juice!
- Mark J
pulling out this Merlin Mann video Steve posted in the DLK thread because I think people who may've missed it there (as I almost did) will also appreciate its hilarity (as I do). Heh heh heh heh heh.
- Marianne
from Bookmarklet
"your privacy is one of the three to fifteen things we are most concerned about".
- Marianne
Okay, that? Was awesome. (Thanks for linking, Marianne - I'd meant to ask about it earlier today, and it slipped my mind.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
I almost like the final exchange more than the brilliant exposition:Q: "I have no idea what you just said." A: "Sounds to me like you're a thought leader."
- Walt Crawford
For me it was the stock photography (if it was real stock photos). Holy wow.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Hey now, social media and mobile is one thing, copyright and attribution are another. :P
- Andy
wish i was going to ALA, cause i would walk out on that session. i have to assume he has no clue what is actually happening in that photo. cause i'm pretty sure that that ALA, and any library, would not want to be associated with looting, stabbings, setting cars on fire, a scared woman who's just been knocked to the ground by police being comforted by her boyfriend. but i dont know. thats just me.
- Christa
Administrator hating on the young, hip librarian -- how typical. ;)
- anna
BTW, when 12 year olds can be 'experts' in social media as well, it's not an actual expertise.
- Andy
It's also an excellent demonstration of how social media allows you to ignore detractors rather than engage them. (Or, of course, how social media lets detractors' friends re-tweet a brand's missteps.)
- ωαřмaiden ☆TeamOtto☆
I just shake my head. the thing I most value about social media is the discussion and sharing, so the notion that someone who self-proclaims as a leading innovator and professional speaker, chooses to manage that image by deleting stuff he (presumably) doesn't like... Again, I am unimpressed.
- Jenica
well, look at that. and it's gone again, replaced with a pretty flower picture. good thing i got a screenshot this time.
- Christa
I am always reminded of the dangers of pissing us off.
- Zamms
well, I wasn't trying for a Grande Internete Smackdowne, just ... dude. wtf. bad behavior from someone who purports to know better. Ye Olde Smackdowne brought itself. :)
- Jenica
Holly's right. he's manufactured his own PR mess to use in his ALA PR Forum. nice move! now the question is, what will be his angle?
- Christa
"Administrator hating on the young, hip librarian -- how typical". :)
- Jenica
Oog. I'd missed the actual link first time around. Yep, suitability of that picture for a library PR forum, quite apart from copyright issues: Ugh. Ptooey. (But since I'd already unliked this particular guru based on a LITA TTT some time back, I'm obviously biased.)
- Walt Crawford
@Jill I think he's re-added the pic with attribution? (although the responding tweet to Jenica caused a #spockeyebrow)
- Hedgehog
Now he's accusing me of "not asking" before I accused him of stealing. the deleted comment was, essentially, "Lam and Getty approved your use of this despite the distasteful use of riot imagery? Interesting." Which is, in fact a question about whether or not he had usage rights, as well as commentary on whether or not a photo of an injured rioter is a good thing to use in an ALA presentation on mobile technology.
- Jenica
Answering the question as posed would have been much more collegial. And, you know, normal.
- ωαřмaiden ☆TeamOtto☆
Okay, new opinion: Dude's gotta be high on something. He accused me of accusing him of something, and then when I replied that there was no accusation in the comment he deleted, only a question, he thanked me. For... something. I have no idea. I'm wicked confused. *bafflement*
- Jenica
Heh. I RT'd Jenica's tweet and Joe DM'd to make sure I knew he had permission.
- John Dupuis
from iPhone
jeezus. there'd be no confusion if he'd just answered my question. *sigh*
- Jenica
Not to get too personal about someone I don't know, but he's a strange dude. Borderline autistic maybe? I followed him on Twitter hoping I'd see some expertise and quit following due to a plethora of "foursquare is neat!" tweets.
- Gershbec
I got DM from him too due to my RT. Was told I should have checked the facts first.
- Michael Sauers
But Jenica, if he simply answered the question in the first place, he wouldn't get all this publicity for himself. and any publicity is good publicity for celebrities, right? so his plan succeeded- put up a pic that you KNOW will get a reaction, get that reaction(aka question), disappear the pic, put the pic back up with the reaction/question deleted, replace the pic with an innocuous...
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- Christa
Man, I go away for a couple of hours and this pops up.
- Andy
This doesn't pass the sniff test. If he had permission (purchased and otherwise), then it would have been a simple reply. "Oh, I have the permissions." and you would have been shut down. Hell, I could lie and say it while I got the permissions. But... yeah. This smells like someone who got caught.
- Andy
I swear, I don't even CARE if he had permission, at this point. I think it's a terrible image choice, and am stunned and baffled that someone who markets himself the way he does would choose not to engage in a discussion, and then try to paint me as the bad guy after he silently deleted all evidence of my initial remark. I've lost any respect I might have had for him.
- Jenica
he strikes me as a master of self-promotion and, um, yeah, that's about it
- marthalib
Fly on a plane and miss poo storm. Just my luck <g> If he plans to use that photo with permission in his talk describing how an image can go viral instantly, I get it, but I would choose another image. However snarky shutdown of conversation in this profession is NOT the way to be an innovator. Or a librarian. Or anything really.
- ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫
About the mysterious "Thank you" tweet, I may be overly paranoid on this one, but if you only look at his feed, it really looks like he's acknowledging the abject apology he was expecting. Whereas for the reality-based community, it's obvious he got no such thing.
- John Dupuis
John, that would be the final straw in my disgust, and why I flickr'd the screenshot of the whole thing. I mean, generally speaking, I don't fear him or his impact on my reputation in the SLIGHTEST. But I like having evidence that he's a skeezy fame whore with no substance.
- Jenica
This whole thing left me shakin' my head. Jenica, you rock. Also, I need to remember to keep FriendFeed open.
- Jim DelRosso
The response tweets are gone now. Honestly, I could see not allowing the comment to stand *at his own place* if you were all "You are a filthy lying thief of a slide-maker" - I have a rule about not allowing purely hateful comments at my place - but a straightforward question with a clear answer is a totally different thing.
- Rachel Walden
duuuuude. he is all kinds of not good at this social media thing.
- Jenica
I shake my head in wonderment. And this guy is a "thought leader?" Sigh. I have a hard time disassociating this whole thing from the TEDxLibrariansTO thing this weekend where we'll be seeing real thought leaders like Mita & Amy.
- John Dupuis
dude i am totally using that pic at TEDx... awkward. ; )
- jambina
At least this didn't go in that Anthony Weiner direction...
- Andy
Timeliness is my middle name. I'd be lying if I didn't admit that this particular situation wasn't weighing on my mind as I wrote up my daily TEDxLib answers.
- John Dupuis