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it's time for day 2 of Graffiti Your Library -- head for the basement stairs in the periodicals area and pick up a can!
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this is going better than I dared hope. Rock on, students.
- Jenica
What is it? Also, yay for going good!
- Sarah G.
from iPhone
our stairwells to the basement weren't supposed to be public use, but 20 years ago we put stacks down there... so the stairwells terrify people, and suck. We're inviting students to spraypaint them as part of our Finals Week Stressbusting activities, to make them friendlier. And it's going pretty well!
- Jenica
http://www.flickr.com/photos... Before
- Jenica
http://www.flickr.com/photos... After
- Jenica
You are the best University Librarian evar.
- DJF
I try. :P I figured that if it turned out badly, we'd slap a coat of white over the top and it'd still be better than when we started...
- Jenica
http://www.flickr.com/photos... The ad. (I'm planning to blog all of this tomorrow)
- Jenica
What DJF said. You seriously rock, Jenica. You rock HARD.
- josh neff, geek at large
That. Is. Awesome. Also, what DJF said.
- Catherine Pellegrino
With the Roku box, Leo Laporte finds living-room wedge | Your Tech Weblog - http://blogs.twincities.com/yourtec...
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""It's a thrill for me to see the TWiT logo right up there next to Amazon, Netflix and Major League Baseball" via the Roku, Laporte told me in a phone interview. "I want to be seen as a (media) peer." Laporte is ramping up how much programming he offers per week, from about 30 to 40 hours to 100 or 200 hours. He has just hired the popular Dr. Kiki Sanford to be a host on some shows, since he can no longer do it all. Eventually, he says, he aims to be come the "CNN for geeks," with a laser focus on his nerdier audience, and no ambitions to duplicate the super-expensive production values of a top TV network."
- Chris Heath
from Bookmarklet
very cool.
- Marc Ostrick
yes, this IPTV stuff is going to the TV in 2010 - yahoo widget enabled tv's will have the content via the mediafly widget, roku, popcorn hour, all the mobile apps (bb, android, pre, etc) -- hopefully mediafly will be on the ps3 and xbox soon -- revision 3 is also moving in this direction (not sure if they're dealing thru mediafly or not, but i know they're moving onto tv's as well
- Chris Heath
YouTube
- Living Colour Desperate People CBGBs - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Damn!!!
- Steve
from Bookmarklet
I need some Living Colour in my tuneage.
- Derrick
Damn, I could listen to Corey all damn day. Such a voice.
- Jason Griffey
one of the best live shows I ever saw: Living Colour at Freeborn Hall, UC Davis 1991-ish
- Bren, Not Grinchy
love them
- holly
They were silly.
- Christopher A Carr
they were silly? in what way Christopher?
- Bren, Not Grinchy
Silly? There's a lot of negative words that one could use to describe them, but "silly" isn't one that I would think would come up in the top 50 or more.
- Jason Griffey
Meh...goofy message rock muzak.
- Christopher A Carr
that is...an interesting perspective Christopher. what do you like to listen to, if I may ask?
- Bren, Not Grinchy
Bren: From The Melvins and Scratch Acid, to Dr. Octagon, Hieroglyphics, and Dmitri Shostakovich.
- Christopher A Carr
I find it interesting that so many people I have met who like to diss other bands list the Melvins as among their favorites. The Melvins are okay, but god are they boring after about 2 minutes. I guess I just don't smoke enough pot.
- Bren, Not Grinchy
Bren: Probably even more of those snoots list "The Stooges," eh? ;-)
- Christopher A Carr
I also quite like Devo.
- Christopher A Carr
Oh yes, the Stooges are very popular among that crew ;)
- Bren, Not Grinchy
Further, I'm deeply tired of the grief and BS women like my wife experience for electing to have anesthesia.
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A-fraking-men. I joked with my wife that I was going to make her a Tshirt that had a big arrow that wrapped from front to her back with a legend that read "Epidural Goes Here". The amount of crap given to her regarding "natural" methods was just horrid.
- Jason Griffey
I always tell my friends to take the drugs. Going through that kind of pain is unnecessary nor does it prove you are a woman. If you can handle it, more power to you but the very fact that a woman has become a mother is proof of her womanhood (this is not a slight on women who choose not to have children, this is simply a show of support for women who decide to take the drugs).
- Daenel Vaughn-Tucker
Really, they got crap for that? Shanon delivered Luke through natural childbirth and Nick through more currently conventional means with epidural, induced labor, etc. She vastly preferred the latter method. I think when it comes to pregnancy, delivery, nursing, and child rearing people need to STFU unless asked.
- s t e v e
Daenel, when you tell your friends to take the drugs, do you also mention all of the possible negative side effects?
- Rochelle
Should I hide this thread now, or make popcorn?
- s t e v e
No need, Steve. I just like to ensure that women are given full, accurate information when they make decisions like these. There's a lot of misinformation and antecdata out there on the topic and I feel that women are too often swayed into poor decisions (either one way or the other) by pressure from family and friends, what they read on pregnancy bulletin boards online, etc.
- Rochelle
Aw, geez, rational discussion? ;) Yeah, talk about it with the person who will deliver the kid. If you don't see eye-to-eye, find another person to deliver the kid. And for your own sake, stay off the parenting websites.
- s t e v e
Wow. I was all for being drugged up - Alex was so early & fast that I couldn't be and I'm insanely jealous of Rothman's & Griffey's wives for getting that blessed relief from the pain. Ouch. Anyway, this is similar to the breast-feed/don't breast feed decisions - nobody else's business but yours!
- Webgoddess
Unfortunately, ppl get grief either way, drugs/no drugs, induction w/out indication/none, breastfeeding/not... [edited to add: public/private school, circumcision/not...this list could go on for a while about what parenting-related things ppl are judgy about]
- Rachel Walden
I've found that the judgmental business tapers off quite a bit after about age 3... (as long as you don't tell people you're still breastfeeding, of course!)
- Erika Sevetson
Co-sleeping, TV, sugar cereal, car seats, church, video games, it goes on and on. The parent is not broken.
- s t e v e
I would totally steal "the parent is not broken" except nobody on the parenting <strikethrough>fight clubs</strikethrough> discussion boards would get the joke.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Well, some parents are broken. But I'm biased because my wife works in child protection services.
- DJF
DJF: point well taken.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Also, Steve Martin's movie "Parenthood" was one of the most accurate depictions I've ever seen ;-)
- DJF
Yes, DJF, for sure. I think I just mean that in the absence of evidence of neglect or abuse, we should assume that people are making informed choices and/or doing the best we can. Or at the very least, that it's none of anyone else's damn business.
- s t e v e
Steve, absolutely. Most parents are doing what they think is right, and the best that they can do. And kids are pretty resilient.
- DJF
It's scary the amount of women I encounter who don't make informed choices when making decisions about pregnancy and labor. They're just doing something because their BFF knew someone who knew someone who said something. It's frustrating to me.
- Rochelle
which is why information literacy skills are so important! /librarian
- Jenica
Jenica, agreed. Also a sense of social boundaries.
- s t e v e
What's right is for parents to make medical decisions based on the best available evidence. I get judgey on those who don't.
- David Rothman (☤)
from Android
New Report:"Lessons Learned: How College Students Find Information in the Digital Age" http://projectinfolit.org/pdfs...
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@davidlrothman here's interesting piece that doesn't value one over other, but values women's choices either way http://www.raisingmyboychick.com/2009...
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IOLUG presentation - http://rogersurbanek.wordpress.com/2009...
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need "love" button
- D0r0th34
there was, clearly, a lot of talking, too. I'm considering cleaning up my notes and posting them with it, since it doesn't do much good to only give half the info.
- Jenica
I hope you give this one again. Often. It needs to be heard in many, many places.
- D0r0th34
Using myself as the primary source material for a presentation was scary and fun. :) I had a good time, and I'd be happy to do this one again.
- Jenica
I also outed myself as a larper. :)
- Jenica
well, if you ever need an example of the downside, you may use mine.
- D0r0th34
Very nice!
- laura x
Oh, wow. Just...wow.
- Catherine Pellegrino
huh. First time I did this one, and I guess I'm surprised y'all are liking it so much. Nifty.
- Jenica
Well, it just encapsulates so much of the thinking I've done about online presence and the inevitable overlap of personal and professional. Doesn't really answer any of the questions or offer solutions, but poses those questions in ways that are clear, challenging, and also somehow reassuring.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Catherine, thank you! that's really interesting, and kind.
- Jenica
I would like to see those notes, btw, Jenica, if it's not TOO much trouble.
- D0r0th34
I will try to make the notes presentable tomorrow, or just upload the whole .ppt instead of a .pdf.
- Jenica
What kind of questions did you get?
- joe is...
See Also… » Clueless faculty and uppity librarians - http://stevelawson.name/seealso...
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Looking at the recent articles from Inside Higher Ed that I first saw here on FF (the Syracuse storage kerfuffle and the "Reviving the Academic Library By Reducing It to a Warehouse" opinion piece), and offering advice for faculty and librarians.
- s t e v e
from Bookmarklet
I like this a lot. But. There's a well-known disconnect between what people DO and what they SAY THEY DO, especially when the question is values-laden. I'm quite willing to accept that people still browse physical stacks -- but I'm NOT willing to accept that only on the evidence that they say they do. Show me da numbers, please.
- D0r0th34
I'd like to see research on this, too. Hell, I'd like to *do* research on this. Part of the problem, though, is that it is so subjective. What is a "good" number of people browsing? How many person-hours? How many browses per stroll?
- s t e v e
I think this could be one of those cases where we look outside library and perhaps even academic for the best way to do a survey/study and talk to business that have succeeded. what is it they do that lets them know what the customer wants. i think they do that aspect a little bit better than academia sometimes
- Sir Shuping
I left a comment on the post (I know, I'm such a Luddite). As to Dorothea's comment: It's hard to demonstrate browsing numbers, 'cause most users (myself included) really do put the books back on the shelves. But, you know, if your key users are saying "We think X is important," it's worth listening even if they can't "prove" that they do X often enough to suit you.
- Walt Crawford
I left my comments on the blog, but I'll summarize: observe, observe, observe. Watch people in the field. Ask them questions at the point of contact.
- cecily
Cecily, I absolutely agree, and would like to do more of that. But I think it would still be a good start for those "libraries are turning into malls" profs to just ask a dozen students about how they use the library and take a walk through and observe informally what goes on in the evening. I'd like to set up a real study, but the average pissed-off prof could spare a half hour to do those two things.
- s t e v e
If your library is designed such that there are obvious passpoints (in my lib, the elevator lobbies), have a student sit there and do counts. It's a start.
- D0r0th34
Agreed, Steve. We all need to watch, and listen, and do it with open minds -- all of us, librarians and faculty. I had to take a step back after realizing that our faculty really don't *get* that we have 50,000 online periodicals to compensate for the 1000 that we canceled in print over the last 15 years. They just see the cancellations. I had to really stop myself from believing that...
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- Jenica
Dorothea, when we conducted focus groups recently about how students do research (and these were professionally proctored focus groups) the students, particularly in the humanities, overwhelmingly volunteered stacks browsing as a preferred method.
- lris
Okay. Now show me what they DO.
- D0r0th34
I'm having trouble understanding the rub, I think. Do you mean that unless we see them opening books and glancing at introductions, they aren't actually browsing?
- lris
No, the rub is that they've been told over and over again that Browsing Is A Good Thing, Good Students Browse Library Stacks, so if they're asked, they'll say they do that -- even when they haven't darkened the door of a library as long as they've been on campus. It doesn't matter who proctors the focus group, or how the question is worded. (Actually, that's not true. If you ask them "when was the last time you..." I believe some of the "pseudovirtue effect" goes away.)
- D0r0th34
Even there, though, we are in Annie Hall territory. "I browse the stacks all the time! At least once a semester!" "He never browses the stacks, like maybe once a semester."
- s t e v e
I guess to some degree, I don't give a damn how much they browse. If part of what they want in a library is a crapload of book stacks, let's put that on the table as something they want--for WHATEVER perverted reason--and decide together what else has to go so they can have the stacks.
- s t e v e
There are lots of unquantifiable things about the research process, which is why I think that overarching point about dialog between librarians and researchers is important -- and that both sides have to start with the assumption that what the other side says is true.
- lris
And, see, that's where we'll have to agree to disagree, Steve. I don't think it makes sense to maintain a largely-unused book warehouse just to give them a chance to feel virtuous and smart. If they're really-truly using it, fine, no worries. If not, there are better uses for resources IMO. (An interesting gedankenexperiment might be to announce that library stacks are going closed. If there's no similar uproar, that sez something about actual stacks usage and "browsing" behaviors.)
- D0r0th34
No, I think I have to agree with Steve here. Put it on the table for discussion. And then, make it clear the realities of what will have to be sacrificed in order to maintain the book warehouse. In that reality-based scenario, it would be both interesting and valuable to find out what the researcher really wanted -- do they want a warehouse MORE than they want the other services the...
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- Jenica
Steve didn't say "lets give them a crapload of stacks." He said "let's talk together about what it would mean to maintain that." Dialog and trust are important. Scare tactics and superiority, not so much.
- lris
Erm? I asked for DATA, Iris. Jenica, I'm a little dubious that the Neems of this world will sit tight long enough for an explanation of budget realities -- but you know more about that than I do.
- D0r0th34
And maybe here's one reason librarians get dismissed as irrelevant by others: When librarians themselves refer to book collections as "book warehouses" and seem to be looking for any excuse to get rid of them. So the humanities scholars say "Screw you: You don't care about us" and the scientists never cared for the librarians anyway. Remember: One accountant in the provost's office can handle all the database subscriptions quite nicely.
- Walt Crawford
Sorry if that comes off a little strident, but I do wonder about the extent to which librarians assume that nobody other than librarians listens to them trashing library collections and traditional services...or responds negatively.
- Walt Crawford
Walt, my basement and second story stacks ARE a warehouse. We provide access to the materials, but no ancilliary services in that environment. I'm not ashamed of that. It's truth. The first floor is where we provide additional services beyond maintaining the book collection. I'm using casual language and not taking care with perceptions because I believed myself to be among friends. You...
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- Jenica
Walt, I've spent my entire career having the services I provide trashed, including (especially!) by other librarians. You went to the wrong librarian with that particular criticism. No sacred cows.
- D0r0th34
Dorothea, I don't know that I've got faculty quite like Neem, so my perspectives are probably a bit different. And in the current NYS budget reality... everyone's listening. So I suspect we have a moment in time in which some key colleagues can be brought to understand where we're coming from, and in which we need to be listening especially closely to their concerns as we make decisions about the future.
- Jenica
Yes, I think there is one sacred cow that I'm trying to deflate a little, and that's data. I'm all for it, but I also know that there are limitations, and that subjective experiences are not always quantifiable. Which brings me back to dialog and trust.
- lris
I suspect there will always be Neems out there, and I think we shouldn't waste a whole lot of time trying to appease them. I think the overall point is that we all--and it's apparent that this goes for intra-librarian relations, too--need to try and understand each other better and assume good faith on all sides.
- s t e v e
What we need is to set up wildlife trail monitors in the library: http://www.trailmaster.com/tm1550p... - catch 'em in the act. Or not.
- Wayne Loftus
Coolio, Jenica. I sure hope the Neems are rare, and I have every faith that you choose your moments well. Iris, subjectivity is okay, but observation is necessary to get beyond common human self-delusions, social white lies (including those told in hopes of supporting friendly librarians!), and suchlike. (I think it's handwashing where these studies are particularly salient... people...
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- D0r0th34
My colleagues have heard it a million times from me: RFID all students upon acceptance. ;-)
- lris
hee! and put keyloggers on all their computers! (no, of COURSE I'm not serious)
- D0r0th34
Hell with the students, chip the faculty. Find out how much work we _really_ do... :-)
- Cameron Neylon
Oh! And no more sinks!! People don't wash their hand anyway.
- lris
SO. How about browsing the hybrid print/online environment. Anyone have any success stories?
- s t e v e
Give it a year or two, Steve. I think the wide-angle catalog-plus mashup-like interfaces currently being built (including, for bias disclosure, at MPOW) have real potential.
- D0r0th34
also, Cecily++; go read her comment on Steve's blog if you haven't already. Ethnography ftw.
- D0r0th34
Thanks, Dorothea.
- cecily
Hey there, Wayne. *waves*
- marthalib
A lot of humanities and social science scholars who may not do a ton of research on a daily basis are very worried that a major way they encounter and seek information is being not only dissed but dismantled. This isn't about undergraduate behavior, it's a fear on the part of scholars (not at libraries like mine, but at research libraries) that the way they find things will disappear....
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- barbara fister
This quote I just happened across seems apropos in light of Barbara's most recent comment: :It takes courage to work in new ways. Particularly with your immediate colleagues and friends. Yet so needed in the pioneering and evolutionary time we live in when we must risk the letting go of the old to find our way to the added benefit of the new." - spotted here: http://tennesonwoolf.blogspot.com/2009...
- cecily
40 comments and we have yet to address one of the most important aspects of my post: the cartoons!
- s t e v e
the cartoons are awesome! Encore, encore!
- D0r0th34
Thank you. As you were.
- s t e v e
The cartoons were my favorite part. Although as I'm leaning towards looking at what academic librarians are forced to deal with, I appreciated the take you presented in the post as well.
- Derrick
in my new library of ~10,000 books, the stacks are closed. I see students hovering by the door to them, wondering if they can go in. (we offer to get books for them). I'm currently spending a lot of staff time getting the stacks ready for browsing / public access. We have a small, but meaningful collection of journo, photo, advertising books collocated, and I want students / fac to have access. I'm also doing a lot of weeding.
- Stephanie_Thankful
Closed stacks remind me of an engineering postgrad who couldn't find a book (it had been misshelved) so suggested that we gate all the stacks and then give card access to approved borrowers to their specific areas of interest. I didn't have the heart to point out that it was a 50/50 chance that it was a staff member who'd misshelved the book anyway...
- Deborah Fitchett
Late back to the party: Jenica: Your stack levels are browsable stacks with no internal services--certainly not unusual for academic libraries. (Of the nine tiers in the Doe library, at least when I was there, exactly one had any service points.) I dunno. Maybe over the past months/years, I've seen enough academic librarians turning up noses at public libraries *and* enough librarians...
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- Walt Crawford
Just strolled through the stacks (we only have about 95K books and serve 4-6K students) and there were 7 students either browsing or looking for something.
- John Dupuis
when we let one of our senior faculty back into our stacks to look for something she came out saying "wow! I didn't know you had all that stuff!" One of my student staffers said "I bet circulation would increase if we let students back into the stacks." True, this is anecdotal, and clearly my library has stayed relevant for some time without open stacks, but I'm sensing a lot of push to open my stacks up. (which I will).
- Stephanie_Thankful
Walt - honestly this is why when (if) I go back to working in a library I am thinking I will work in a public for the first time in my career. I'm really not liking a lot of the stuff that's happening in academic libraries of late - but maybe that's also because I didn't achieve all I wanted to when I worked in one. But on topic, my name is Fiona, and I love to browse the stacks.
- Fiona Bradley
(It's about me, so it's anecdotal.) As a undergrad, I preferred to browse the stacks. Yes, I could've done a catalog search. But I didn't know any fields well enough to know what to look for. Catalog to get the general area, then browsing for discovery. By browsing I found this odd little book about mid-19th century belief in psychosomatic skin markings (stars, etc.) that gave me the start to a big Scarlet Letter paper that impressed the lit lecturer.
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
Actually, Betsy, I think when it's "about you" it's anecdotal; when it's "about me," it is timeless universal truth.
- s t e v e
Okay, then. It's universal truth.
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
Simonizing to point out that there have been several interesting comments on the post itself.
- s t e v e
Emerging Technologies In Library Websites - http://www.slideshare.net/heidigo...
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Pushcart Nomination!! - http://peripateticpoetess.blogspot.com/2009...
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forked from: http://friendfeed.com/lsw... -- Translate unhelpful library terminology to something more useful/usable/understandable?
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"institutional repository" --> "digital archive" (this hacks off all the archivists I know, but it WORKS as a name; faculty get it immediately)
- D0r0th34
OPAC ---> catalog/catalogue
- josh neff, geek at large
Festschrift --> Happy Goodbye Letters
- Pete, Enabling Force
Heh, our "repository" is/will be called The Digital Archives of Colorado College.
- s t e v e
I'm trying to push "Wisconsin Idea Online" as the brand for the combined IR/digital-collections, but nobody's as enthusiastic about it as I am. I think it would work like whoa because the Wisconsin Idea is a very strong brand already, but...
- D0r0th34
Serials/Periodicals --> Magazines and Journals (bonus: links the concept of "journals" with "magazines" in the user's mind, establishes that in this context, "journal" /= "diary")
- Catherine Pellegrino
Circulation desk --> checkout desk
- josh neff, geek at large
special collections --> rare books and manuscripts
- D0r0th34
Except that "manuscripts" is also confusing, Dorothea. Maybe "special collections --> archives and rare books"?
- Laura Lou Who
If you don't know what a manuscript is, you don't need it.
- s t e v e
Really, if in a university environment 'manuscript' is confusing, library terminology change isn't the cure for what ails you.
- Pete, Enabling Force
I can live with "archives and rare books."
- D0r0th34
Or you don't know you need it. I would venture to guess our students don't know "manuscript." They seem to comprehend "archives," though. I've gotten calls from people who thought "special collections" had to do with paying fines.
- Laura Lou Who
Library instruction --> Information skills --> ??
- Pete, Enabling Force
("Information" is the most jargon-y word we've got, really, because it SEEMS perfectly obvious but actually means something pretty specific.)
- lris
We went for 'Books 'n' Shit' Well, we should have ;) But we felt management wouldn't got for it.
- Pete, Enabling Force
There are several flavors of "Library Instruction" - I call my "BI/LI/IL sessions" by several different names: "Course Guides" "Library Orienteering" "Tips, Tricks & Sekrets" "Research Tools to Save You Time" "Things You'll Wish You Knew If You Skip" etc.
- Aaron the Librarian
Reference --> look it up; article databases ---> big lists of articles that sometimes actually include the articles
- marthalib
Martha, I love that one for "article databases." Bwahaha!
- Laura Lou Who
See, as far as I can tell from faculty response, "Library Instruction" works on our campus. I'm instructing students on how to use the library. They get that. (Sadly, that's basically what I do: we have yet to crack the bigger-picture IL skills here.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
That's my problem too Catherine. I have a form for faculty that gives more explanation for things like database searching, evaluating resources, etc. They can pick and choose how much they want. This seems to work. As far as Bibliographic Instruction goes, I've always tried to stay away from that.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
I like your ideas Aaron. That would mean more for the students. If I ever start offering drop-ins, I may use things like that.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
more on the library instruction focus -- whenever I'm asked to do a BI/LI/IL session I always *immedeately* reply with the following boilerplate: "I am happy to do this for you. I need the following to best serve you and your students: 1. an overview of assignments due in the next two weeks and, 2. a copy of the major term assignment. I will tailor the session to resources which will...
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- Aaron the Librarian
1) databases => search tools 2) library instruction => research (skills) instruction (or research @ the library) 3) subject guides => resources by subject
- Dana Longley
"subject portal" -> "subject guide". Backed by usability testing at MPOW.
- Deborah Fitchett
when I worked in the law firm library, we stopped calling it "training" and called it something like "skills sessions". Lawyers don't tend to sign up for training, since they already know everything. ;-)
- Connie Crosby
Views: Reviving the Academic Library - Inside Higher Ed - http://www.insidehighered.com/views...
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"No matter how much rhetoric librarians offer, if they abandon their core mission, they not only insult the dignity of the history of libraries but offer no reason for the library's continued existence. After all, the other services can be provided cheaper and better by student unions, residential halls, athletic centers, computer labs and coffee shops."
- Sir Shuping
from Bookmarklet
wow...this is of course written by a non-librarian and someone that's way off the mark in some respects I think. "The rise of library science" has led to our downfall? Students aren't supposed to connect and collaborate in our building, only in the classroom? I wonder what's led him to feel like the library has abandoned him, because that's def. what this rant feels like to me. He...
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- Sir Shuping
An interesting article because it shows how easy it is for what we are doing to be construed wrongly by faculty (and this happens all the time). I do agree that we need to focus on our core mission more at times, but I disagree that the library is not a place for connecting and collaborating.
- Fiona Bradley
Nice response in the comments at IHE, Andrew.
- s t e v e
thanks steve. Fiona I absolutely agree with you about the library as a place.
- Sir Shuping
I guess if I were going to follow this up, the first two questions I'd look into are (1) what do students think about the role of the library today--the library as they know it and the library as they would like it to be? And (2) If students could just as easily collaborate in student unions, computer labs, coffee shops, and so on, ARE they doing that? Why do the students who go to the library still choose the library instead of the coffee shop?
- s t e v e
wow...librarians are fighting back in the comments, including the University Librarian Emeritus at Yale. Steve I like those questions! I want to ask our students those too, but not sure if/how they would respond to it
- Sir Shuping
Steve: I was just looking at the comments on our recent Libqual survey, and our students seem to think that the library should be a quiet study space with lots of parking nearby. Oh, and that while ILL is great and all, e-resources should be all full text, all the time and never, ever, ever not work. (Our student body is made up of lots of older students and lots of commuters, so these things make a lot of sense.)
- Kirsten
just thinking back on my student days... the library would be about the last place I would go to for group discussion and collaboration, and that was only a decade ago. It would be easy for most academics to still think this way. The renewal of library as place really has only happened in the past few years, too easy for many academics to have missed that and think, "what happened to the quiet study space I remember?"
- Fiona Bradley
Fiona, same here (class of '00 for undergrad). I always specifically avoided the "loud" floor of the library in favor of quiet corners in which to study/work. If I needed to work on a group project, we did that in someone's room/apt or some other non-library space.
- Rachel Walden
Oh, great point Fiona. And profs usually come to the library in the afternoon, while the students don't really move in until after dinner.
- s t e v e
Western is a pretty small public university in WA with a new president. We (public academia) have been and will continue to be hammered by severe state budget cuts, I think Western had ~400 layoffs. I have to wonder if the fallout might be behind his perspective. http://crosscut.com/2009...
- Nikki D.
Just thinking I should balance my own comment with one that students do make a lot of use of the group study rooms in MPOW, and a vocal contingent always expresses a wish that there were more of these rooms.
- Rachel Walden
Oddly enough, I read the post twice and still couldn't understand the point he was making -- every library I've ever been to (and it was the first place I was allowed to walk to on my own as a rather young child) has been more than an "archive" of material. It was the comments that helped me understand the post!
- Mickey Schafer
New scheme: assemble scores of photographs of a single literary work. Get people to take a "mug shot" of the cover of their copy or their library's copy, post them to Flickr with a CC License and I'll assemble into a slideshow, zine, book, or something. My question: what book?
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I'd like it to be something that is in just about every public or academic library, and a book that many/most people have read. So right now I'm thinking of "Catcher in the Rye." It also has the advantage of having several iconic covers, so it will be good to see those repeating throughout the series.
- s t e v e
A FOAF has a collection of Alice in Wonderland books. There is so much variety in the manifestations (? ... not sure, I don't speak FRBR) of this work that I think it might also be a good candidate.
- mita
And maybe some Flickr integration with Open Library? http://blog.openlibrary.org/2009...
- mita
Mita, that's a good idea. I was thinking of maybe doing two works, one that would be mostly variations on a few well-known covers (like Catcher in the Rye or Ulysses) and one with more variation. The open library thing is cool--for this project it would be funny as they got flooded with tons of covers for the same work.
- s t e v e
Gone With the Wind?
- cecily
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings? Any of these are in MPOW. Did you have a particular theme that the choice of book could tie into?
- Deborah Fitchett
Why dictate a book? Why not have everyone pick a book within a loose theme and then we could create a link between all the books like a "if you liked X you may like Y, where Y is within the set of LSW books on [theme]"?
- Aaron the Librarian
Aaron, sounds cool, but that's a different project. I like the idea of seeing a ton of copies of the *same* book to see all the variations from new to battered to rebound, foreign editions, etc.
- s t e v e
That's a good reason why - thx :)
- Aaron the Librarian
Waaah Catcher in the Rye is not in my library. How about Campbell's Operative Orthopaedics? That's a classic!
- Jenny Reiswig
JANE AUSTEN FTW!!
- Laura H.
I'm doing a session on ebooks in my public library in a month and am collecting as many formats/devices/adaptations/ fan fics of "Pride & Prejudice" as possible. .. So ppl can compare what it looks like on different devices and understand the "library can help you find content" message. Was the most multiplicitous work I cd find.
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I love Aaron's idea of an image "tag" too...as long as it has title/subject/image in common? So go "Girl with Pearl Earring" > non-fic abt Vermeer > ...
- Kathryn says love n peace
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I also like Aaron's idea.
- cecily
iNODE » Mechanical Turk as Collection Development Tool - http://timesync.gmu.edu/wordpre...
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Most common IT related complaint from students, other than printing- other students spending time on Facebook and games, taking up PCs
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and "talking too loud in the lab" and/or "talking too loud in the quiet study area" - why are these IT related? because people are talking loud about Facebook stuff :/
- Aaron the Librarian
The Code4Lib Journal – OpenBook WordPress Plugin: Open Source Access to Bibliographic Data - http://journal.code4lib.org/article...
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I think I'm in love. The Olympus EP-1 is almost erotically beautiful. I can't stop handling it. Can't wait to get the 50/1.4 on it. Too bad nothing reads the raw files yet.
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time to sell the 5D on ebay....
- John Hillestad
Why does each new camera need a new RAW format requiring a 'driver update' ?
- Don Strickland
Geez. Kind of a problem if nothing reads RAW. Can't imagine shooting any other way.
- Karoli
No bundled app that can handle the RAW files? So you can at least have them for storage and go from there until ACR, etc. handle Olympus' RAW format...
- Holger Eilhard
It is a very good-looking camera.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Here's the thread in the LR forums about EP-1 support: http://forums.adobe.com/message...
- Holger Eilhard
The bundled app handles the ORF files, of course, but I really need Lightroom.
- Leo Laporte
I understand that, using LR myself! :-) I'm just suggesting that you could still shoot RAW and let the bundled app take care of the conversion to JPEG until Adobe/Apple are ready. Then you still have the RAW files to play with, not just JPEGs that came from the camera.
- Holger Eilhard
Okay but can I have the Canon 5D Mark II then :-)
- Richard Bitting
Exactly what I'm doing - and shooting RAW+JPEG. Still an awesome camera. (Keeping the 5D though!)
- Leo Laporte
Hope other manufacturers get a clue that we little rangefinder like cameras with interchangeable lenses.
- Jon Winters
I won't give up my Nikon any time soon but that surely is a beautiful- and traditional-looking camera.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I want this camera sooo bad. How are the HD videos on it?
- tomit
The 720p video is excellent. You can see an example at http://leolaporte.smugmug.com/gallery...
- Leo Laporte
Sorry, Leo. Yes, it looks very cool, but I am not aroused by looking at a camera.
- Fleagle
Incidentally - NO rangefinder. You have to use the LCD. One real negative.
- Leo Laporte
Fleagle - you have to hold it to be aroused.
- Leo Laporte
Here is the direct link to Leo's video http://leolaporte.smugmug.com/gallery...
- Bryan Lee
Leo: thats a cute Papillon BTW.
- Bryan Lee
Papillon's are such great little dogs. We have 2.
- tomit
I'll shoot some more dynamic video later. Saves as a Motion JPEG AVI file.
- Leo Laporte
How long can the videos be?
- tomit
2GB (that's an AVI limitation) so HD: 7min, SD: 14min
- Leo Laporte
Ouch thats short!
- Bryan Lee
Hmmm... Guess you can do multi shots with a large card and put them together. I think most videos I've done were made up of clips shorter than that.
- tomit
Leo, there is an accessory VIEWfinder that attaches to the hotshoe. Not the same as a rangefinder but I wouldn't trade the EP-1's physical size for the optics necessary for a rangefinder. Very lustworthy bit of kit!
- Antonio Yon
It's definitely pretty sweet hardware. Rumor going around that 2nd version will be out end of year with a VF. Seems rather quick to me but possibly something to wait for. The current VF that attaches to the hotshoe is only accurate with their 17mm f/2.8 lens btw.
- ronin
I may pull the trigger on an EP-1, but I am hearing horror stories about the slow auto focus. Are you finding this a problem? Should I wait till version 2?
- tomit
Is this the one Dvorak sings about?
- Michael Foey
The specs for the E-P2 are out. What do you think? Are the improvements worth the extra $300? Luckily, the announcement came out the day was going to purchase the E-P1. Close call.
- Robert Eden
The E-P2 at least has a viewfinder - I think that alone would make it much superior.
- Brian Sullivan
I want to use one next to a Panasonic GF1 to see which I like better.
- tomit
Curious if Leo thinks the upgrade to the E-P2 is worth the extra cash!
- Robert Eden
Heroes and Mentors with Steve Lawson - http://cecily.info/2009...
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"In this installment of LIS Heroes and Mentors, Steve talks about Ze Frank, Jason Scott, inspiration, and meaningful collaboration. Many thanks to Steve for his contribution. If you’re a librarian/library staffer and you’d like to talk about your hero or mentor, contact me: cecily.walker (at) gmail (dot) com."
- cecily
Steve!
- Derrick
Heh. It was fun.
- s t e v e
EBSCOhost goes mobile - http://orgmonkey.net/?p=805
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How'd you get it set up, Marie? I could find no documentation.
- David Rothman (☤)
gimme a sec. i'll hook you up with a link. note that it has to be enabled in ebscoadmin before you can haz mobile.
- Marie is merry.
http://www.ebscohost.com/thisTop... and http://support.epnet.com/knowled... might be enuf to get you started. let me know if not.
- Marie is merry.
So did you just go in and set it up, or was there a big "omg should we do this" discussion? Cuz my library's leaning toward the latter.
- Kirsten
we set it up w/i 10 minutes of getting the alert that it was available. i'm curious to know what the possible drawbacks for enabling it are?
- Marie is merry.
It's an organizational culture thing, not a practical or patron thing.
- Kirsten
@davidlrothman If you create a new profile in Ebsco Admin, Mobile Smartphone is an interface option - that sets it up
- Molly K
Yeah, I now I just have to get admin access restored.
- David Rothman (☤)
we just set it up, but now I can't access it via Ipod Touch. the website keeps timing out.
- JSNFLMNG
So mobile CINAHL, then?Must see if we've enabled this.
- Rachel Walden
We just set it up and our iPhone-enabled dude down in Instructional Tech says it's working. The mobile version looks like crap in Firefox, though, so I can't tell one way or the other.
- Catherine Pellegrino
I can see it working in Firefox, but my mobile browser says 'Safari could not open the page because the server stopped responding" maybe I'll call a coworker to have them test it.
- JSNFLMNG
yes, rachel, cinahl should be an option. you can set which dbs are enabled via mobile and you can set which is the default db at that initial search page.
- Marie is merry.
Whoops, must have been a momentary blip. Mobile version looks fine in Firefox now.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Got mine working on my iPod Touch today...pretty nice!
- David Rothman (☤)
Got Academic search complete to work from our mobile page for the time being (http://mysite.du.edu/~jokrau...). The email records formatting is way off. Does anyone have an openURL linker resolver working with their mobile page?
- joe is...
I'd love to hear your ideas about what the 2010 Virtual Annual Conference could look like. I posted some starter thoughts at http://discuss.ala.org/margina..., but based on the discussion last June (http://friendfeed.com/lsw...), I'm curious to know what would make the virtual conference more appealing to you. Thanks for letting me hijack a LSW thread for an ALA topic....
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I think one goal should be not simply to allow people off-site to experience some of the events at the conference, but to create online events that will rival some of the most talked-about events at the site, so people in the convention hall are saying "hey, did you see this online discussion?"
- s t e v e
I'd also argue that you need to have some degree of "free" in here. I know that maintaining an online conference will be expensive, but I think you need people to get a peek so they say "next time, I'm going to pay to get the whole thing" in the same way that people can come to Annual on an exhibits-only pass or something. So find some things that anyone can participate in, and get EBSCO or someone to underwrite 50 free full registrations to the virtual conference.
- s t e v e
ditto to the at least partial "free" thing. A "teaser" of sorts, perhaps. One keynote and a sample session from each track, maybe? Plus a vendor presentation done via web? I think a lot of library staff have no idea what goes on at ALA.
- Louise Alcorn
Reality check on the pricing structure? Was it ACRL virtual conf which cost the same as the conf itself? More participants at signifcantly lower price = better in the long run...
- Aaron the Librarian
Recording sessions and archiving them for later viewing, ideally free of charge.
- marthalib
ah, just saw this here. I posted over at Connect. I am ok with ALA charging for virtual conference platforms if it's designed for those getting staff together, hosting mini-conferences in house etc. But I also like there being lots of free options provided by volunteers (Twitter, streams, etc). For me, if I'm not at conference, I can't take 3 days off to sit at home and follow along (and the timezone doesn't allow it either) - I'm just dropping in and out and following along as I do other things.
- Fiona Bradley
I saw in the linked post something about how you can't get keynotes to grant broadcast rights. How about choosing some speakers who *will* grant that and have it be an online/in person hybrid. Lessig, Doctorow, Jason Scott (please someone get Scott in front of librarians (and then count how many walk out the first time he says "fuck")), Clay Shirky, Ze Frank, Scalzi, probably any number...
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- s t e v e
Yes. I would even probably pay money to see any of the people Steve suggests. I stopped going to the physical ALA conferences because there wasn't enough content of interest to me--so I may not actually be the audience you're after. I wonder. Is the idea to get "the online crowd" or is it to get "librarians who couldn't otherwise attend ALA?" I'm sure there's some overlap between those groups, but I think the approach would be rather different.
- laura x
yes and no - to be honest I've heard some of the people Steve mentions before, often in online formats, so I feel like ALA offers something different for me as far as keynotes go. Though I agree, as time and technology shifts, it should be possible to encourage more keynotes to at least allow limited audio recording if not video. I agree with Laura's question about the audience - to my mind it really is those who can't otherwise attend.
- Fiona Bradley
If that's the case, then I think she may be asking the wrong group. I know I'm not the LSW, but I don't think the folks who comment here often are the "I would love to go to ALA but can't make it there" crowd. We are more the "I would consider online ALA conference if I was pretty sure it wasn't going to suck" crowd.
- s t e v e
These are all interesting nuggets to chew on. The audience question is something I've been thinking over myself, because I have to think the online world offers more opportunities for more people. At the same time, though, we don't have unlimited resources and we can't try to offer everything for everyone. I think it will be a while before the "big name" speakers let us stream or record...
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- Jenny Levine
Yeah, I bet you are! It seems like it will be a very hard thing to get right, and I think it's cool that you asked our opinion.
- s t e v e
Man, I wish you'd given me that list of people a wee bit earlier, Steve. I would lovelove to get Jason Scott in front of LITA. On the actual topic: If I was planning an ALA Virtual experience, I see two different options: a free one, that was streaming/archived of interesting keynotes and sessions. Doesn't have to be everything, but a few things every day, filtered for quality. I'd then...
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- Jason Griffey
Oh, and I forgot to say: Hire Griffey as a consultant. Not joking.
- s t e v e
Jason, do you think people would pay to download slides/handouts? It seems to me like that horse has left the barn. I think the access to the presenter and a discussion group of peers in real-time is the better bet. And where's the price point for that?
- Jenny Levine
Steve, you do know that John Waters explained teabagging at this year's ACRL conference, right? ;-)
- Jenny Levine
Oh? I heard that was Abram. But yeah, I know there are some pretty good speakers there.
- s t e v e
I think the problem is that you're competing with so much conference coverage and content that is already free. Lots of people make their slides and handouts available online. Lots of people blog and tweet about conference sessions and take pictures at them, and you're starting to see things recorded and streamed, and many of us are already discussing all of the above with our peers...
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- laura x
You know, I'm not sure if they would. But the way to make money in the modern info economy is not to compete by limiting access to content qua content, but instead to sell something else completely: attention or exclusivity or ease-of-use. Would people pay for a well designed, easy to use source of content when free alternatives exist? Sure, it's called iTunes. There are models that work, we just have to be brave enough to find and try and fail.
- Jason Griffey
And someone said (either above or in the links, I'm too lazy too look) that this could perhaps be better marketed at libraries, rather than librarians. So (to pick numbers out of the air) a library with 1-5 librarians gets a Virtual Annual License for $300 all the way up to The University of California for $5,000 or whatever. Especially if the idea is more to show a large audience what ALA Annual is all about, rather than feed the online tribe, that could make a lot of sense.
- s t e v e
Yeah, I definitely made note of that suggestion (I think it was Fiona). Laura, I agree with you that we can't compete with the meta content posted online and the free, open conversation spaces. I wonder, though, if we couldn't somehow build "hallways" for the online participants right before and after the sessions. Sometimes I find it difficult to track and have a conversation about a...
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- Jenny Levine
Yeah, and again, the best audience might be one that doesn't have a robust understanding of Twitter etc.
- s t e v e
Building on Griffey's freemium suggestion, I'm sure organisations would pay if the keynote was available for say, 30 minutes online for an exclusive online chat or something like that, and for downloading quality audio/video/presentation files. Slideshare and volunteer streaming is one thing, value-added archived content (with exclusives!) is another.
- Fiona Bradley
And I'm so happy Griffey mentioned the freemium thing since that's the wording I was looking for some of the programme modelling I'm doing. You've helped two associations at once, here :)
- Fiona Bradley
A Response to Stephen Abram and SirsiDynix - http://loomware.typepad.com/loomwar...
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hah! give 'im hell, Mark!
- D0r0th34
Love this: "This messy, difficult thing is called innovation, and while it can cause angst for those who prefer stable dysfunctionality,"
- Polly Potter
I am eagerly awaiting Stephen's reply. I love ping pong!
- mita
Is some clever person out there compiling a list of all the responses? 'Cause I was just thinking I should do that, but perhaps someone has already started.
- laura x
Code4Lib is: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index...
- lris
See, I *knew* someone would be on top of this. Or several someones. Thanks!
- laura x
Help! Beatles - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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My favorite Beatles song!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
The New LSW Vimeo Account on Vimeo - http://vimeo.com/7476513
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Upload your librarish videos to our Vimeo account. Login vimeo@shoversandmakers.net/notala
- s t e v e
from Bookmarklet
And after dissing YouTube, Vimeo isn't making a thumbnail image. My playback was choppy, but that could be my connection.
- s t e v e
I often have this issue with Vimeo
- marthalib
It came up after another short wait.
- s t e v e
Oh, and when Josh is back from gallivanting around with Royce and Mary Carmen and all, we can ask him to add the Vimeo feed to this room.
- s t e v e
I just heard Steve talking!
- JSNFLMNG
I couldn't stop staring at my own nostrils.
- s t e v e
they are lovely nostrils indeed
- marthalib
Neat idea, Steve. :) I love Vimeo's interface, but I have that same problem with thumbnails and I wish Vimeo did mobile as well as YouTube does. I'm on Vimeo at http://vimeo.com/davidlrothman (mostly home video of Simon). :)
- David Rothman (☤)
DailyPic 10/31: Happy Halloween, Internet - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Yowza!
- josh neff, geek at large
um. ah.
- DJF
*laughs* I was going out! Dressed as NOT RESPONSIBLE JENICA. :P
- Jenica
That's not how "not responsible jenica" dressed in Montreal. Although that's probably a good thing.
- DJF
Was irresponsible Jenica irresponsible?
- josh neff, geek at large
nah, just had a few drinks, talked to friends, danced, and ate a slice of takeout pizza. Fun, though. :)
- Jenica
open argument 101 - http://www.newrambler.net/lisdom...
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Laura, one thing I like about this post and love about your writing in general is that you write like an essayist and not like a PR flack. You admit and expose ambiguities and uncertainties and don't always try and wrap them up in a neat package or position.
- s t e v e
Stephen Abram just commented on the post, if anyone's curious.
- laura x
Oh, I'm going to regret posting this one. (prompted by: http://friendfeed.com/marycar...)
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OK, I nearly fell out of my chair over this one.
- cecily
Shout! Shout! Shout at the Devil!
- josh neff, geek at large
*dies*
- lris
*buys Steve an ice cream*
- Derrick
LOVE
- Mary Carmen
hands Steve a glass of Ice Water.
- Scott
Since Wikileaks is overloaded, let's try this again. Stephen Abram's thoughts on Open Source ILSs.
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O.M.G.
- laura x
In case you were wondering, "Proprietary software has more features. Period. Proprietary software is much more user-friendly" (p. 6). I also call your attention to the completely information-less graphs on page 4. Now, I'm not saying the whole thing is bogus, but, um, yeah. A whole lot of it is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
- lris
My favorite line so far is "From the point of view of the end user, the ILS workflows and the Online Public Access Catalogue (OPAC) are invisible and are truly adaptable to the Internet." (p. 5) Edited to add: That would be the SirsiDynix ILS and OPAC. I would think that something that was "truly adaptable to the Internet" would have permalinks, but what do I know?
- laura x
I just shake my head... it's all I can do...
- holly
"We certify some third parties using actual tests to ensure that the customer experience is as seamless as possible."
- laura x
ohhhh, it is to laugh.
- holly
"more user-friendly" - Mwahahahaha!!! Laura, re permalinks (and also accessibility to search engines), at LIANZA09 Tim Spalding said that libraries shouldn't worry about Web 2.0 until they'd figured out Web 1.0. :-)
- Deborah Fitchett
my favourite bit is where Cliff Lynch calls GA PINES Evergreen development one of "the stupidest strategies ever undertaken" and doesn't cite his source. ah....
- tara
Comedy. Gold.
- josh neff, geek at large
Also, it amuses me that the last page of the document is all contact information for SirsiDynix sales reps.
- laura x
Ok, gang...I've scraped the text of this thing, and have it as a Google Doc for markup/corrective purposes. If you want to help annotate, email me your preferred google docs email address and I'll add you: griffey at gmail
- Jason Griffey
Reading it some more, it's clearly *not* an authoritative study of OSS vs. proprietary software, it's an infomercial aimed at selling Sirsi-Dynix products to customers.
- josh neff, geek at large
The single oddest thing about this to me is the photo of the Asian woman with the braids at the bottom of each page next to Abram's name.
- s t e v e
Some S-D customer should sue them because THAT IS NOT WHAT STEPHEN ABRAM LOOKS LIKE!
- josh neff, geek at large
Iris, I am half-tempted to go through the entire document and put [needs citation] (à la Wikipedia) everywhere it needs one...
- Laura H.
Laura, DO EEEET!
- josh neff, geek at large
oh my. i am no longer at a sirsidynix library, but i did attend the final codi (customers of dynix inc) conference in salt lake city in 2006, where we heard great pronouncements from the company about horizon 8/corinthian at the same time we were hearing worrisome rumblings from libraries on the leading edge of the rollout -- the prelude to a spectacular flameout that is still smoldering in a courtroom in new york. all i can think about are glass houses and rocks.
- Luke Rosenberger
There are lots of things to find hilarious about this screed, but for me, the cake is entirely taken by the ubiquitous asian woman.
- lris
Iris, you crack me up! Love the name and avatar!
- Laura Lou Who
Iris, you are the awesomest!
- josh neff, geek at large
Iris FTW.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Nice costume, Iris.
- marthalib
Boo!
- lris
Iris, his last name is "Abram", actually.
- DJF
Thanks, David. :-)
- lris
Iris, you are pure gold.
- tara
That pdf makes total sense to me... of course, I only saw the picture of Iris on each page, but hey, why not?
- Aaron the Librarian
:-D
- lris
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See the doc posted here: http://ff.im/aIJNr page 4
- s t e v e
I should note that this illustrates concepts, not actual numbers.</wackytalk>
- s t e v e
I love you, Steve.
- josh neff, geek at large
like is an understatement, love this.
- tara
Cliff Lynch supports me in unspecified documents.
- s t e v e
and, who is the Asian woman in the footer? wtf?
- tara
Hush, y'all. Don't you know we're not supposed to question our profession's attempts at tokenization...er... diversity?
- cecily
I find the entire design hysterical. Not just the ubiquitous, random Asian woman, but the whole official report template they use, which is obviously intended to make this screed appear more credible, official and objective. Pish posh, we are not so easily fooled.
- marthalib
yeah, trying to pull an Australasian Journal of ILS Studies on *librarians* is kinda goofy.
- D0r0th34
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DOESN'T ANYONE SCREEN THESE POSTS?
- s t e v e
Steve, if you can't control your tone of voice, I'm going to have to ask Jenica to ban you.
- DJF
David, I think you'd have to take that up with the Online Interactions Committee.
- lris
The policy clearly states that I'm allowed up to five words in all caps per thread.
- s t e v e
BUT BUT...someone might say something THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR. What if they tell us our service sucks? User feedback? HELL TO THE NAW.
- Sarah G.
Moderators, meh, but people to guide and build communities? For sure. Not being at ILI, I haven't a clue of the context from which you Tweet, however :)
- Fiona Bradley
But what if a patron types FUCK?
- josh neff, geek at large
*clutches pearls* JOSH NEFF JUST TYPED THE WORD FUCK. OH CRAP. NOW I DID TOO. *faints*
- Sarah G.
hahaha, i'm glad i'm not the only one that gets irritated by the librarian's obsession w/ moderation
- Ed Summers
i am going to report you all to the proper authorities.
- Free?
I love walking away for a few hours and coming back to hysteria. BECAUSE THERE ARE NO MODERATORS OMGWTFBBQ
- Jenica
It's pining for the days when we were the gatekeepers, really.
- John Fink
unsubscribe.
- Marie is merry.
PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME TOO! I thought this list was for getting articles in the place of ILL?
- joe is...
SNORT. this is much better than my session.
- Rachel Singer Gordon
(There was a moderator. She saw what was going on here, went "tch tch" and walked away.)
- Walt Crawford
Those people who whine about the people who want moderators when they can't even bother to do the research on moderators? Well, I can't really call them information professionals.
- s t e v e
+5 Lawson. Can you call them haters?
- Walt Crawford
how do I unsubscribe from this list? won't someone please tell me???
- Stephanie_Thankful
Check it: Information Professional is so 2007. We're Knowledge Professionals now.
- Sarah G.
I am out of the office from October 26 through October 24, but will respond to your message when I return.
- Walt Crawford
Oct 24, 2010? Wow, you will be gone a loooonnnnnggg time.
- joe is...
That Jenica is SO off base. Can you believe her guts?? .... er- Please excuse my last post, which was not intended for the full list.
- lris
gah to all of you people asking about unsubscribing, the information is right here! http://www.microsoft.com/info...
- Sir Shuping
UNSUBSCRIBE ME!!!
- Rachel Singer Gordon
U GUYZ R ALL L00ZERS! I PWN U! STEVE LAWSON IS QUEER!
- josh neff, geek at large
Geez, who let B1FF in?
- DJF
We don't need to regulate online social spaces. We need to regulate Joshua M. Neff, who is a jerkface.
- s t e v e
ths cmmnt hs bn dsmvwlld
- D0r0th34
Dorothea just made me literally laugh out loud! (I once had a comment disemvowelled on Boing Boing.)
- josh neff, geek at large
I love librarians.
- DJF
Friends/ I have started a New Online Community / Blog / Clearing House / Sewing Circle to discuss this Important Matter. Look for it on Facebook / Ning / Orkut / IRC. /Steve
- s t e v e
This is now my favorite thread of the day, and I'm not even a librarian.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
God I love librarians. :)
- Jenica
Thread drift! Somebody rename the subject line so that we can talk about the awesomeness of this thread separately from this thread. Really, people, can't we keep it orderly around here?! You all know the rules!
- D0r0th34
Iris, I was going to say the same thing. I don't know why Jenica started this ... oh wait, that really happened to me today. so nice to lol!!
- Stephanie_Thankful
Um, ALA promised me a job as a moderator. LIARS! They owe me a career.
- s t e v e
Steve, I have more degrees than you do. I don't care if you have more library experience. Giving you that job instead of me would be SO UNFAIR.
- lris
Iris, but it's been 10 years and i STILL havent gotten a job with my mls. It's MY turn to get that job! *whine*
- ωαřмaiden, MFA'd poet
Please make sure to do a keyword search of the archives to review policies on unsubscribing, disemvowelling and moderator job requirements...
- Abigail
Please do not keep responding to the whole message. Those of us reading the digest are a bit overwhelmed.
- laura x
hey this is relevant to 5 other lists so please cross post all future responses to those list also
- Sir Shuping
I hope this thread makes Best of Week.
- Spidra Webster
aren't we talking about moderators in online communities? I think we've drifted from the original thread here, people.
- Stephanie_Thankful
best of the week? i think this is one of the best of the month!
- Sir Shuping
woo-hoo I won the thread! IN YOUR FACE, LAWSON! YOU TOO, NEFF! :P :P :P oh, wait, did I send that to everybody? ooooooops...
- D0r0th34
*looks around* NAZIS! *runs away*
- Jason Griffey
we should change this list so it doesn't Reply All. really.
- Stephanie_Thankful
*comment redacted by moderator*
- Laura Lou Who
omg censorship! anti-constitutional violation of rights! I'm calling my lawyer!
- Deborah Fitchett
Dammit, Griffey just Godwined this thread!
- josh neff, geek at large
Stephanie, this is clearly a user-education issue. list replies work very well 98% of the time. It's the people who don't take a couple of seconds to check the header before they hit send that are causing all the problems here.
- DJF
This is why computers are a bad idea.
- s t e v e
Andrew Keen was right!
- josh neff, geek at large
Wow. Go for a walk and you miss a lot... But, Steve up above, you lack ! a Sufficient \ Number / of Important! Exciting = Current Punctuation Elements. Oh, and the text is all one color. What's up with that? I'll start six wikis and ten blogs to figure it out...
- Walt Crawford
It's reprehensible for an information professional to use Comic Sans.
- laura x
First!
- John Dupuis
Don't you guys have any WORK to do? I'm TOO BUSY to read all these emails.
- Stephanie_Thankful
from iPhone
I don't think we should exclude people from this online community just because they can't think of anything witty to say. That strikes me as highly unwelcoming and a subcommittee will be creating a geocities page to address the issue.
- Laura Norvig
(Jenica has shown great restraint in not deleting all these comments. I vote Jenica dictator^H^H^H^H^H^H^H moderator for life.)
- s t e v e
me too!!!
- tara
Does anyone have the article, "Reductionist Sexual Tendancies of the Male Northern Black-haired Scrat: Temporal Judgements and Seasonal Mating Rituals," Journal of Neoclassical Biological Systematics, 145(3):9952-9976? ScienceDirect is telling me I owe them $30... Could you please send me a PDF?
- joe is...
I reiterate, I love librarians.
- Jenica
Steve and Walt > || _ Genius! / _||
- Fiona Bradley
agreed. > I don't think we should exclude people from this online community just because they can't think of anything > witty to say. That strikes me as highly unwelcoming and a >subcommittee will be creating a geocities page to address the issue. > Wow. Go for a walk and you miss a lot... But, Steve up above, you lack ! > a Sufficient \ Number / of Important! Exciting = Current...
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- Stephanie_Thankful
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