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The Limited Edition Cheap T-Shirt, Gone in 24hours! | TeeFury - http://www.teefury.com/
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CBC.ca | Ideas | Closing The Book - http://www.cbc.ca/ideas...
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A one-hour radio documentary, available as a podcast, about ebooks, and their impact on traditional publishing. I'm about half-way through it now; it's VERY good.
- DJF
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Is there a downloadable mp3 link on there that I don't see?
- Jason P
Looks like the RSS has the MP3 as an enclosure, but no direct MP3 download link. Weird.
- Jason Griffey
They seem to be fussy. It's available in the iTunes store too. Just search for "cbc ideas".
- DJF
GREAT podcast series.
- jambina
You Can Now Buy Up to 16 Terabytes of Storage from Google - http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud...
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I can't believe you can get 200GB for only $50 a year! Now if they had a nice tool like Dropbox, then I'd probably switch over to Google completely.
- Kenley Neufeld
I bet a tool for it is coming at some point soon
- Sir Shuping is just sir
Two ereader ?'s: 1) Anyone have a written-up explanation to offer users who are, um, infuriated and/or baffled that their Nooks and so forth can't access pdfs from, for example, ProQuest Dissertations? Would you share it? 2) Some folks here wondered whether the iPad might be a workaround on the theory that it involves an ip address. True/false?
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Not sure I understand question #2. I don't have my iPad with me today to check anything specific for you, but using the web and downloading/reading PDFs on the iPad is usually indistinguishable from doing the same things on a Macintosh.
- Steele Lawman
Steve--I've never used an ereader and am a little hazy on the details here; sorry for being confusing! The question really is whether we can say 'you will not be able to use quite a few library resources on a Nook/Kindle/etc., but you could read them on an iPad' and be telling the truth. It sounds like you're saying 'obviously yes'?
- Molly Westerman
Also, the person on our staff who actually owns an iPad had trouble downloading something through Proquest Dissertations but could download it onto his laptop, email it to himself, and then open and read it on his iPad or iPhone. Side note: I feel so poor right now just typing all these iItems :(
- Molly Westerman
Ip address won't have anything to do with it. Take a look at my post about eBooks and drm on my blog (don't have URL handy). Biggest issue is if proquest uses DRM on their PDFs or not. I don't know offhand.
- Jason Griffey
from iPhone
Thanks, Jason! (http://jasongriffey.net/wp... , yes?)
- Molly Westerman
Molly, I'd hesitate to say "obviously" about any of this. :) Jason is surely more informed on the issues than I am. If it's a regular link to a regular PDF designed to be read by a couple of regular guys like you & me, I'd bet money that the iPad can handle it. Once that gets more complicated though, bets are off.
- Steele Lawman
Thinking more about the linked post and discussion here http://friendfeed.com/lsw... I have a thought experiment. You are an executive at one of the largest trade publishers in the world, Harper & PenguinMifflin House. The CEO wants a vision of DRM & library circulation of ebooks for 2021 that is both realistic and optimized for the publisher's interest. Go.
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1. Charge more for the library-circulating ebook; 2. Make it device independent; 3. ...; 4. Profit!
- awd
Good question! I wonder if a "library edition" ebook (the way there are library edition audio books) might be part of the answer. I'd be down with paying more for an ebook if it meant it were device independent and we had more control over it.
- laura x
OK, I'll take my own medicine. "For our average trade publication, we can't live without DRM, or every reader's club in the world would buy a maximum of one copy. Forget smash YA hits, since teens are notoriously casual about copyright. We could look to deflect criticism and resentment by outsourcing the implementation and policing to an industry organization as the music industry has...
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- Steele Lawman
"As for libraries," I would go on, "I think once we get the DRM figured out, the library strategy will fall into place. Right now, I envision smaller libraries paying per-use (i.e., per "checkout"), while larger libraries will want to just have a flat yearly payment for unlimited access. We can calibrate the per-use payment to ensure we meet revenue goals, so that bestsellers might...
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- Steele Lawman
Not being paid the salary of these executives, I'd just hire Joe Esposito to solve the problem. And run far, far away.
- Walt Crawford
(I'm taking the liberty of assuming this is slightly near-future, like maybe 2015, since you merged some dudes that don't play on the same team right now. This was also the only way I could imagine myself into the situation, and you might argue it doesn't really apply to what you were getting at anymore, but I thought I'd post it anyway.)
- Marianne
Look, Bertie, I know and you know that this hegemonic model is not going to last forever. Unless we go the way of the Comcasts and Walt Disneys of the world, twisting the very legal foundations of the country to protect our bottom line, we're headed straight for a crash into the rising wall of the Creative Commons revolution. I know you just wrenched all these different publishing...
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- Marianne
They have alternatives, you know. And we can't beat those alternatives unless we join them. The real bite out of the book market isn't piracy *or* the kind of casual sharing that's been around since the nineteenth century - it's freely given free stuff. These days, readers want to give their money to the creators they feel they *know* - whose personas they are in love with, whose art...
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- Marianne
In the interim, while we stoke the fires of their passion and do the long hard slog of cleaning up the antagonistic mess all those huge corporations made of our PR, we need to *ditch* DRM, not refine it. And hell, while we're at it, sell books to libraries at a discount, not a premium, whether they're e- or not: win the hearts of the librarians and we'll win the hearts of readers. Put...
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- Marianne
We can reposition ourselves to be something other than Just Another Faceless Corporation; we can make bank *and* have fun, and go home at the end of the night feeling like heroes, not hollow men. It can be the way we always dreamed it would be when we were kids together, Bertie. You don't have to play their fucking game.
- Marianne
[falls down and worships Marianne]
- barbara fister
Another reason I didn't prepare a serious answer: When there are folks like Marianne around, it's time for clods like me to read in admiration, not write.
- Walt Crawford
Marianne, please tell me all of that is in a big blog post somewhere I can link to once a week, every week, until the content industry gets it?
- N. Ansi
Marianne, I love it. I don't buy it for a second, but I love it. :)
- Steele Lawman
I mean, I buy that some smaller publishers will take that kind of thinking to heart. But Harper & PenguinMifflin House? I can't see the owners or shareholders going for it.
- Steele Lawman
Steve, I know my extra premises broke your thought experiment, but your thought experiment was breaking my heart. (And of course, I totally stole most of this from what I see the successful publishers I actually like doing, here and now.) I really do think, though, that Harper & PenguinMifflinHouse are sort of doomed, either to become purely reviled widgetmakers, or to fail on a large scale and lose out to the small publishers they don't notice right now.
- Marianne
On the other hand, to pick a large-publisher example, Random House, for all this DRM sideshow, lets you read deeply into increasingly more (feels like almost all, though it isn't) of their books you want, on their website, for free - even though I remember huge arguments in the last ten years about whether they should even let customers *buy* their books directly from the publisher, or...
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- Marianne
tl;dr: I don't completely buy it either. But it made me feel better.
- Marianne
N. Ansi, 'tisn't. but if the parts of me that don't buy it don't win out over the parts of me that it makes happy by the end of the day, I'll probably reformat it / caveat it / contextualize it, and post it to my livejournal. Will send you the link ifso.
- Marianne
me me me me me (please)
- barbara fister
Sorry, but I still see the word "PenguinMifflin" as http://www.dundermifflin.com/
- Yo. Shark Dog.
http://maribou.livejournal.com/319285... (for those as what wanted a link)
- Marianne
Thinking a little more, it's quite likely that I'm taking too dim a view. After all, just a few years ago I wouldn't have guessed that iTunes and Amazon would be selling all their music downloads as unprotected files. Perhaps the model will be unprotected files for one price, short-term DRM'ed cloud-based access for another price, and DRM'd cloud-based library-funded downloads for borrowers.
- Steele Lawman
Cuatro Leches - http://www.cuatroleches.com/
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I think I have posted this before, but if you are really craving some serious tres leches goodness, check out my best-friend's family's dessert bakery. They even ship overnight & it's effin' nomTASTIC!
- JA Castillo
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oh man...
- holly #ravingfangirl
YES PLEASE.
- Rochelle
I have a birthday coming up. Am going to send this to everyone involved....nomnomnom
- Jason Griffey
It's Jenica's Birthday!!! Happy Birthday :)
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Happy Birthday Jenica :D
- Soup in a TARDIS
Many happy everything :)
- Pete #TeamMonique
Happy birthday!
- LB: #TeamMonique
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Happy birthday! May we all have a "Jenica Day!" :D Still my most commented post & stll they arrive.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
from iPod
Many happy returns of the day!
- Catherine Pellegrino
happy b-day Jenica!!!
- Sir Shuping is just sir
*grin* Thanks, y'all. :)
- Jenica
Very best of days to you, J!
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
Happy happy birthday, to you, to you, happy happy birthday to you!
- John: Thread Killer
Happy Birthday!
- ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
Happy Birthday Jenica!!!
- AJ Batac
Happy Birthday, Jenica.
- RAPatton
Happy day!
- laura x
Happy birthday!
- Rachel Walden
Happy Birthday!
- Katy S
Happy birthday, Jenica.
- Steele Lawman
Happy Birthday. :-)
- lris
happy birthday!
- Mark Kille
Happy birthday!
- Marianne
Happy B-day!
- Yo. Shark Dog.
Happy Birthday, Jenica!
- Anne Bouey
Happy Birthday, Jenica!
- Fish Are LIES
I have unlocked several Birthday Acheivements: Sleep In, Massage, Thai Food For Lunch, Lounging About Reading, and Nap.
- Jenica
Happy Birthday, J. It sounds like you are having a great day!
- Mary Carmen
Happy Bday!
- Surprisingly Monstrous
Happy Birthday
- Andrew David
Happy birthday! :)
- Jenny H
Happy Birthday Jenica!
- MoTO #TeamMonique
You know, it sounds cheerful, but it's not. Perfect for today. "leave all your love and your loving behind, can't carry it with you if you want to survive".
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I've been listening to this one obsessively. Such a great, great song.
- Jason Griffey
I finally just burned it to disc and put it in the car, and have had it on repeat for a week. LOVE.
- Jenica
Played this whole album - solid - for several weeks.. Love it.
- Eric Sizemore
RT: The three most stunning surprises from the 2011 Consumer Electronics Show http://news.cnet.com/8301-17... #CES
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RT: Book Saver device can digitize a 200-page book in 15 minutes. Check it out: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31...
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omgomgomg
- Jason P
lol @ jason
- holly #ravingfangirl
So fucking jealous.
- Jenica
whatevs, that's just Free in a wig.
- Meg V. Meg
LOL. I was like "who is that old lady with Michael P.?"
- Steele Lawman
and now LOL @ meg
- holly #ravingfangirl
Philistines.
- Jenica
Young? Patrick Harris? Diamond?
- Yo. Shark Dog.
from iPod
I'm with Jenica. #SFJ
- Ordinarybug Heather
GTFO! Alan Rickman was at ALA?
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
That's not Howard Stern?
- Derrick
A Wandering Eyre » An Almost Streamed Meeting Causes a Ruckus - http://wanderingeyre.com/2011...
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An excellent response to yesterday's LITA kerfluffle.
- Hedgehog
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indeed an excellent response.
- Sir Shuping is just sir
I need to look at the discussion around the copyright arguments, because I read the WanderingEyre piece and they sounded skeeeeetch-Y. But I doonut have time right now.
- N. Ansi
My understanding was that a consultant hired by LITA was presenting results of his work, and there were copyright issues around that. If LITA is hiring consultants under contracts that prevent them from sharing the results with their constituents, something is very wrong.
- N. Ansi
This is one reason why I have been trying to limit my involvement with non-open organizations. Has there been a discussion of the fact that while LITA meetings are open to members, the wider Internet audience is mostly non-members? I think it's reasonable according to the rules of the game that LITA is playing to say, hey this meeting isn't OPEN, like open to anyone, it's open to...
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- Steele Lawman
I probably shouldn't comment publicly on this, but WTF. The consultant was a facilitator that was invited to talk about how highly functioning boards work. It was, roughly described, a training session. Joan, if you follow me, dm me the name of your UL.
- Jason Griffey
I did not warn the board before I started streaming, but I honestly did not believe that I needed to, given the ALA open meeting policy. I was completely surprised by the reaction I got. I expected it to not be a big deal. I guess I was wrong.
- Jason Griffey
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December 22 is an excellent day to get a royalty check from Neal Schuman.
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245 copies sold domestically, earning me 10% of the net. 439 copies sold abroad, earning me 5% of the net. (!!! If I had known that ratio, I would have tried to negotiate a different percentage for the foreign sales.) The end result is a check for $1,179.97.
- Steele Lawman
I share not to brag about how much it is or complain about how little, but to share the economics of the situation with y'all.
- Steele Lawman
In approximately the same time period, I had 18,500 hits on my blog. Heh.
- Steele Lawman
Now, if you could get a nickel for every .... huh.
- barbara fister
very excellent!!
- Hedgehog
rock on!
- jambina
Very nice!!
- Katie
Holy cow, that's a nice chunk of holiday cheer! Congrats :)
- ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
Publishing a book is a nice lasting accomplishment - and also a fine way to share something you have to say. But from an economic perspective, given the deals we get from publishers - it's a losing proposition. I would guess Steve put many times the number of hours into his book than he would on the preparation and delivery of a keynote (or perhaps even a "featured speaker" gig) - on...
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- steven bell
What y'all are saying, including "congrats, Steve." OTOH: If I got one book sale for every 100 hits on my blog, I'd be swooning with success...
- Walt Crawford
Yes, part of why I posted the actual dollar figures was to help people make a better cost/benefit analysis if they are thinking of doing something similar.
- Steele Lawman
Absolutely. You don't write library books as a primary source of income; greeting people at Wal-mart probably pays better.
- Walt Crawford
BTW, no buzzkill intended on Steve's good news - again - always a nice accomplishment. @RepoRat - depends - you could put together an entirely new talk without too much prep if you know the content well enough - or re-work existing material. Then there are the talks or a workshop that requires more investment. Travel? A bit of a hassle but also an opportunity to visit other libs. As far...
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- steven bell
Steve, thanks for sharing! I got mine as well, but don't remember my sales figures. Will report them when I get back home, as I too think transparency is a good idea about this stuff.
- Jason Griffey
from iPhone
So Steve and Jason, would you do it again? (and do you say the same thing after you finish giving a big talk away from home?)
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Kathryn, at this point, no, I would not do it again. Writing that book was a miserable experience for me, mostly because of my psychological state at the time. I hope and believe that my psyche is in better condition now than it was then, but I'm afraid that another book contract would trigger the same depression and anxiety. The other big reason for not doing it again is that I feel I...
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- Steele Lawman
Kathryn: ditto what Steve said. I have turned down two different book projects in the last 6 months or so. Partially because the work/reward balance is massively skewed, and partially because I am a massive hypocrite publishing print books when I think the future is electronic. I have a handful of things I want to write, bu I'll be doing it myself, and electronically.
- Jason Griffey
On the other hand, as I told someone, it's massively egotistical to say that with two ISBNs to my name. I make no excuses for that.
- Jason Griffey
I have also never given a big talk away from home, so I can't really compare.
- Steele Lawman
My biggest honarium was for $500. I'm sure other speakers have made more than that, though.
- Elizabeth Brown
Just got my statement, thought I'd swing back by and drop another data point. 457 domestically, 458 international. Total royalty just over $2K. But I'm about 99% sure the international figures are screwed up.
- Jason Griffey
Good reminder that it's time I got my act together, and finally write that book.
- Julian
Congrats, Steve. I just got my first payment ever from ScienceBlogs for this past July, us$25. I'm pretty sure I'll be getting the same for November & December. I'm an Amazon Affiliate through my blog and I've earned about us$140 in the last 18 months or so. I've got 9,629/11,381 visits/pageviews so far for December and 74,706/87,438 for calendar 2010. I'll be doing a year-end stats...
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- John Dupuis
Griffey, I think they are still considering Georgia as part of the Confederacy & thus "abroad." http://www.neal-schuman.com/blog...
- Steele Lawman
Batman Hoodie - http://geekpr0n.net/post...
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OMGWANT
- Jason Griffey
I can haz?
- Josh Aaron Willis
YouTube - Chris Farley interviews Paul McCartney - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I hope that the Griffey/Vinge interview will look something like this.
- Steele Lawman
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The great thing about Chris Farley is that there was no ironic distance in his acting.
- Steele Lawman
This is exactly what I'm aiming for.
- Jason Griffey
from iPhone
what Vinge is Griffey interviewing?
- John: Thread Killer
awesome! say hi to him for me!
- John: Thread Killer
Scilken’s Law and the Future of Libraries - http://freerangelibrarian.com/2010...
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I am in 90's alternative rock nirvana. damn but I loved this time period.
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*fistbump
- Surprisingly Monstrous
Word
- Eric Sizemore
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Is there any point in continuing to print traditionally-published books in library science? Can't we just do 'em all as Open Access PDFs?
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And what about out of print stuff like Patrick Wilson's Two Kinds of Power? UC Press needs to get off their stars and put that in the PD! Or at least reprint it. But it simply needs to be out there. So many more seminal texts ..,
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
from iPod
Stupid Apple auotcorrect! That stars ought be arses.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
from iPod
So all library science authors are expected to give away our work? Hmmm...no.
- Walt Crawford
I'm not sure I agree with all, Walt. But I'd sure love to see the out of print "dead white guys" freely available. I'd give UC Press some $$ for it & I say they have an ethical responsibilty to make it available but they sit on it. POD is doable, as you know.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
from iPod
Walt, yes. Or, rather, release books on pay-what-you-want etc.
- Steele Lawman
And Mark, I totally agree. I still need to talk to someone at ALA about drawing a line before which everything is public domain. I'm thinking 2000, but even 1980 would be great.
- Steele Lawman
TD Wilson and Marcia Bates have put a ton of their stuff on the web. I'd like to see more from FW Lancaster and as Mark says P Wilson.
- Christina Pikas
Unfortunately, I may serve as the poster child for "pay what you want." Total paid-what-you-want for Cites & Insights to date: $240. Most writers who do really worthwhile library science books might expect to get more than $240 for them. I suppose if the premise is that only tenured library school professors should be writing books in the field, then maybe this is workable.
- Walt Crawford
But, y'know, MARC for Library Use sure wouldn't have been written under those conditions. Neither would most of my other books. This is hard work; insisting that it be given away is, I think, a pretty tough call.
- Walt Crawford
I'm not insisting people do work they don't want to do. I'm saying maybe we've hit the point where it doesn't make sense to publish traditionally any more and that there isn't a place for a person to support him or herself with writing library science stuff.
- Steele Lawman
Fact: With the exception of MFLU and Future Libraries, none of my books have earned out much more than minimum wage for the time spent doing them. Further fact: Most librarianship writers don't do it strictly for the money. But still further likely fact: Take away *all* the money, and only the most fun stuff will get written.
- Walt Crawford
Excellent! That would be a wonderful result.
- Steele Lawman
That's not so far a cry from saying that people shouldnt be able to support themselves with writing at all, whcih I'm opposed to. A good editor is a fabulous thing to have (not to mention copyeditors), and most folks on the self-publish bandwagon forget that...and it often shows. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater, I think, though the traditional model will change drastically. And "only the most fun stuff" doesnt at all equal "the most useful stuff."
- ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
Well, I'm having too much fun being a pain in the ass about this to be perfectly rational. But really, I think we say in other contexts that Open Access doesn't mean "no editing" or "no peer review," right? So why jump to that conclusion here? And why is book-writing so different from journal article writing?
- Steele Lawman
Those editor-types like to eat too ;)
- Hedgehog
I could see people being willing to pay part of their ALA (or state library assn or whatever) dues to support Open Access Library Publishing. Though most of the BIG OA people, PLOS, BioOne, etc, get a lot of federal funding, right? But it wouldn't have to be big....
- Marianne
They eat because they get paid by their libraries, not by all the people flocking to the bookstore.
- Steele Lawman
This sounds like an SLA initiative to me, actually.... *eyes the ladies in the terrorist shirts speculatively*
- Marianne
Well, the new [academic] division of SLA has a new OA journal... Let me find the URL for the sucker.
- Yo. Shark Dog.
The Sci-Tech News is OA, it has a peer reviewed section, http://units.sla.org/divisio...
- Yo. Shark Dog.
The journal is at https://journals.tdl.org/pal/, no issues yet.
- Yo. Shark Dog.
I don't see SLA proper turning their magazine into an OA publication, but I think a lot of the divisions and chapters are leaning that way.
- Yo. Shark Dog.
What warmaiden says: MFLU was really NOT fun to research and write, but it was needed. It's good to be told that independent scholars/researchers/writers should STFU and go away, 'cuz it's all got to be free. Sure makes my day. (My ALA Editions short book on OA will not, in fact, be OA...and I believe it will reach a LOT more people than my OA stuff on OA has.)
- Walt Crawford
And I don't think anyone's made a living writing LS books ever, or at least not that I know of. It's whether you can get some compensation. And, frankly, whether people (and libraries) value stuff they get for free as much as stuff they pay for (one of the unanswered & frequently unasked questions about OA).
- Walt Crawford
OK, I'd better sign off and go do something else. Right now I'm a lot more upset about this thread than I am about the elections, and that's just crazy.
- Walt Crawford
I'm not sure why an open access advocate would get upset about someone suggesting that perhaps open access is a better model than traditional publishing when it comes to publishing small print-run professional books. It's not like I have the power to pull the plug on commercial LIS publishing. It's not like I can prevent anyone from publishing using any model that they care to. All the...
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- Steele Lawman
If the point of commercial publishing is "so people can make money," that doesn't seem very interesting or valid. If it is "because then important stuff will go unpublished" that makes more sense, but I'm not all that convinced it is true. (What it would take to convince me, I'm not sure.)
- Steele Lawman
The commercial publishers also have the advantage of being able to get people to actually look at what they publish, whereas i dont know the success of OA yet on pushing their content - many of the fine OA journals Ive read have come more by word of mouth than because theyre indexed anywhere useful when it comes to running lit reviews and such,
- ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
Good point. OA LIS monographs might need the visibility of ALA or the like behind them.
- Steele Lawman
That kind of exposure would be great for this sort of model.
- ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
Maybe the LSW can show 'em how it's done. ;)
- Steele Lawman
Hey Steve--I'm facing tenure track in 27 days....think we can get something up and going so I can get a peer reviewed article in? :-p
- Hedgehog
I dunno about peer reviewed, but I heard something about some zine once....
- Marianne
I'll rubber-stamp anything Abigail.
- Steele Lawman
I try to practice what I preach, but sometimes, I have to give in to pressure from other co-authors. For example, the chapters I wrote for the 2007 book we wrote are not OA. I have not seen a dime from the publication. It is ok with me that the money from the print book sales go to the copy editors, layout editors, printers, etc. They did a lot of work, too.
- Yo. Shark Dog.
Gosh, if there was only an editor somewhere on this list who could help out...
- John: Thread Killer
Gee, where could we find one...
- Yo. Shark Dog.
We have that. Maybe I should check that out?...
- Yo. Shark Dog.
Dorothea, that's exactly my point. My unconferences book would have been so much better as an OA publication, and if I couldn't have mustered the gumption to write it without a book contract, then maybe it didn't need to be written at all. (Walt thinks this is about me hating on him, but as usual it's about be hating on me.)
- Steele Lawman
We need to sign agreements with publishers that let us keep the copyright so that they can sell an instance of the print book, and we can put the sucker up on a website, like Doctorow...
- Yo. Shark Dog.
For example, http://craphound.com/content/
- Yo. Shark Dog.
I think Joe's right. The *only* objection I have to all pdf's all the time is if it leaves small systems in the dust, unable to pitch in and help support OA, unable to find the print resources their more traditional patrons / staff want. Sure, they should get with the 21st century, I guess, if they have the bandwidth/infrastructure .. but there ARE great librarians doing great work in...
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- Marianne
(Also not to underappreciate the people working in small backwards systems that are kicking ass at being cutting-edge, LAURA X... ahem.)
- Marianne
This is interesting - I got so frustrated trying to get this manuscript published I just put it on Scribd (and more recently slideshare) this year. It may still get published, but I wasn't going to get royalties on the book anyway so the financial part was not the motivation. The funny thing is that the material would be much more usable in electronic form like a website or an ebook rather than in print. I don't think this publishing unit has e-options.
- Elizabeth Brown
My tiny library system has basically zero budget for buying professional books, especially given how much they cost. Most of our staff training is done through free programs (usually of the webinar variety) offered by the state library, WebJunction, College of DuPage, and the like. I've done a webinar for free and a webinar for pay. I grant you that the prep is less than for that of a...
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- laura x
To put finish to this thread (I think): I was awake most of the night thinking about a suitable post about worthlessness and writing. And I'm not going to write the post. I think I've written it before and it inevitably comes off whiny, so the hell with it. Those who think writing & editorial effort are, in effect, worthless (in $ terms) will continue to think so; I'll continue to disagree.
- Walt Crawford
Walt, when I responded "yes" to your question "So all library science authors are expected to give away our work?" I was overstating. To try and be a little more clear, I think that the profession as a whole would be better served if more of us who wanted to publish did it outside the traditional channels and went to OA/CC/print-on-demand/pay-what-you-want models. I don't think that the...
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- Steele Lawman
Is it THAT radical to say that I'd like to see Open Access become the dominant publishing model in library science? Is it THAT radical to say that I value the ability of thousands of librarians to get good professional information and writing for free over the ability of dozens of librarians to earn some walking around money?
- Steele Lawman
But what if someone could do that and publish it OA/CC?
- Steele Lawman
I'm obviously being hopelessly naive, but dammit, somebody's got to do it! ;)
- Steele Lawman
I don't know of a damn thing preventing librarians from writing for free and posting the results as PD work, whether in PDF or other form.
- Walt Crawford
There are important aspects of traditionally published books. Maybe we could start by listing them? Like, I value the editorial structure that helps novices/outsiders make sense of whether the thing they've found has any legitimacy in the field. What else? Maybe there are ways of taking what we value and inventing a better way that would serve all constituents.
- lris
So, yes, with Kajisa's interjection, I do think it's radical to say, in effect, "You took a year? Tough. You should give that labor away: The needs of the many outweigh the desires of the few." It's radical when you, in essence, tell me I'm *wrong* to desire payment for some of my work.
- Walt Crawford
What if we could apply for grants to pay for editing, layout, publication, etc., and a modest stipend so we could publish these books oa? so instead of author pays oa, you'd have grant agency pays oa... that's essentially what happens in other fields.
- Christina Pikas
I like that idea, Christina.
- lris
Christina: Well, that's for journal OA, and in fields where there are lots of grants. (And, I'm guessing, it pretty much locks out independents without institutional backing, although that's just a guess.) Extending OA beyond articles (and into underfunded fields) is rife with difficulties.
- Walt Crawford
@Steve: I will. When I win the lottery. No, seriously, I think libraries should get together and launch an OA monograph press with proper funding of acquisition and editorial and production functions. Create the books, then set them free. Oh wait, that's not new: http://www.oapen.org/xtf...
- barbara fister
If you paid me enough to retire now, I'd consider writing a library science book for pay. I can't imagine doing it for the amounts of money that I suspect one actually gets for such things. I guess the point of this is that I'm happy to write for free if I'm writing things I'm interested in and passionate about. I love libraries and librarianship, but I can't think of a book topic in...
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- laura x
This is, by the way, scholarly monographs that I'm talking about, the kind that have libraries as their primary market. We're already spending the money; why not spend it up front and collaboratively? (I could also point out that most "commercial" books don't make money either. There was a new book title with an ISBN published in the US last year for roughly every 300 Americans. Dude, we have a lot of reading to catch up on.)
- barbara fister
Barbara +++
- laura x
Ooh, OAPEN has Historia Norwegie. Relevant to my interests! <squirrels>
- Deborah Fitchett
And yes, me too. Why don't libraries who benefit from open access journals and books take a little from their collections budget to support the organisations that are providing these? (Yes, yes, budgets. But seriously, even if a library could only spare $100 or $10... it's the principle of the thing.)
- Deborah Fitchett
It would make mega-sense to me.
- barbara fister
I love all these ideas and projects. Of course the Library Society of the World Experimental Monographic Series will be a bit more by the seat of the pants, though.
- Steele Lawman
Deborah: That sounds nice in theory, but in practice, there is often no budget after you realize any "savings" from benefiting out of OA journals so on. Any small savings go somewhere else that is needed, or, like they do here, if the administration sees it, they suck it up (much like a Dyson, which, "never loses suction," kind of like our administration), and they never make it up or give back. So, those 100 bucks may not be there (and no, I am not joking. Here, we are pretty much looking at everything.)
- Angel R. Rivera
Oh yeah, it'd definitely involve *planning* to budget such-and-such for it, rather than hoping to have money left over at the end.
- Deborah Fitchett
"How to Become (and Stay) Famous" http://blog.libraryjournal.com/tennant... from the admittedly quite limited perspective of librarianship
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Halloween costume thread: What are you or your kids going as for Halloween?
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Mr. 3yo: Optimus Prime. Mr. 7yo: Dracula.
- Stephen le Francoeur
We might do a casual movie night with friends. I will probably recycle my Gordon Freeman costume from Dragoncon.
- Jason P
Mr. 3: a witch. (Pictures soon.) EDIT: me: mom of a three-year-old.
- Catherine Pellegrino
I have no idea. But since I've said I'll go to two parties the night before, I should probably think of something. Suggestions?
- Marianne
Mr: 8 will be the Blue Spirit from Avatar: The Last Airbender, and Mr. 5 will be a ghost. Shanon has a grand plan for us to go as Mario and Sexy Mario. (She'll be the sexy one.)
- Steele Lawman
Mr. 5 will be a flashlight. Not sure what we'll be, but we may have some sort of light up feature also.
- Laura Norvig
The 9 yo: a witch, the 7 yo: an angel, the 4 yo a strawberry fairy...I dressed up as a witch last night for our girl scout dance which was very appropriate since being in charge of all these leaders makes me think they are calling me that word but beginning with a "B"
- furrworld
Mr. 3 as a witch: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Catherine Pellegrino
Catherine: too cute!!
- Laura H.
Catherine, Laura is right, your J is kewt!
- Stephen le Francoeur
So I'll go to work in my monk costume, but for the parties I'm going as my inner child: footie pajamas and markerface (inspired by J, my niece Audrey's recent visit, and all the other one-to-three year olds I've known). Gonna wear a marker-decorated "INNER CHIlD" t-shirt and shorts underneath though, because most parties are just too warm for footie pjs.
- Marianne
Mr.3: a Ghostbuster and my wife and I will be ghosts
- Jason - The Opaque
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Ms. 8 will be a purple witch. It's a dark shimmery purple/black costume.
- Elizabeth Brown
I should have mentioned that my wife and I met at a Halloween party in 1994. I was dressed as a ten-pack of subway tokens and she was dressed as Holly Golightly from Breakfast at Tiffany's. It was, as you can tell by our choice of costumes, a Halloween party in Manhattan.
- Stephen le Francoeur
Lincoln will be a monkey. But he keeps eating his prop!! (a banana, duh) :)
- βℜ∀ñÐi
YouTube - Living Colour - Cult Of Personality - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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YES.
- Ha3rvey #teamMonique
This song will never. Ever. EVER. get old. Ever.
- Hookuh Tinypants
EVER.
- Ha3rvey #teamMonique
DAMN STRAIGHT.
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Cosign
- JA Castillo
I once had to open a service at our church, and I walked up to the mic, and the only thing I could think of was, "During the few moments that we have left, I want to talk right down to earth, in a language that everybody here can easily understand."
- Ha3rvey #teamMonique
Looking back, I think I can safely say that Living Colour had a huge impact on me. One of my fav songs ever.
- Rahsheen?
A vastly under-rated band. This song is epic, but some of their other stuff is insanely brave. Seriously, they recorded Glamour Boys? Talk about bravery for the time....and I could listen to Vernon Reid play guitar all damn day.
- Jason Griffey
Pausing my iTunes to listen to this.
- LB: #TeamMonique
"Elvis is dead."
- MoTO #TeamMonique
And do you see why I worship Three in his smooooovenes?
- MoTO #TeamMonique
It's mutual, MOTO. :P
- Ha3rvey #teamMonique
In the pre-modern library, overdue fines were "hard to collect, and usually replaced by incarceration."
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From William Clark, "On the Bureaucratic Plots of the Research Library," in _Books and the Sciences in History_, ed. Marina Frasca-Spada and Nick Jardine (Cambridge, Cambridge University Press), 192.
- Steele Lawman
what's "pre-modern"? 17th C? early 19th C?
- DJF
This is in the context of 17th and 18th C. libraries
- Steele Lawman
This chapter is full of lulz: "In the physical disposition and cataloguing of books, the Baroque library offered resistance to the hegemony of epistemic system."
- Steele Lawman
<squints> That means "They just put the books where they felt like it," right?
- Deborah Fitchett
i think i might use that :)
- Christina Pikas
Yes, we had to chisel messages on rocks and throw them across the room at each other
- maʀtha
Ha!
- Kevin L
Deborah, yes it could mean that (which is part of why I thought it funny). He means more specifically that they tended to get books in entire collections as people died and left them to the library. They would then often shelve those books together as a collection, and within the collection shelve them by size (from the floor up: folios, quartos, octavos, 12mos and smaller). And the...
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- Steele Lawman
Last quote: "Unlike the enlightened librarian, who only thought to collect materials for research which was 'useful,' the Romantic librarian had to collect, in principle, everything, since everything, no matter how useless, is a manifestation of 'culture' and might provide grist for the mill of some future researcher. The Romantic library fell into--or was condemned to--the Baroque fantasy of complete collection."
- Steele Lawman
I seriously want to see your reading list, Steve. This stuff is awesome.
- Jason Griffey
I am pretty sure I am more of a Romantic librarian than an enlightened librarian.
- laura x
Jason, I need to clean up my Zotero database then I can make it public.
- Steele Lawman
Steve, that makes sense, which would be disappointing except that there's still a bunch of areas that we shelve by donor-collection and even size, which makes it hilarious again. (Um. And I wasn't even thinking about electronic collections, but when you consider databases and the dismal inadequacy of federated/discovery searching...)
- Deborah Fitchett
The main difference was that there were very few access points to the collections he's talking about. Presumably the stuff in your donor collections or sized collections is in the online catalog, and theoretically as findable there as anything else.
- Steele Lawman
Shush, you're taking all the fun out of it. Fortunately I have the wacky hijinks of uninteroperable databases to fall back on.
- Deborah Fitchett
I think we should start listing databases by price.
- Steele Lawman
Would make as much sense to the user as listing them alphabetically (oh wait)
- suelibrarian
LaptopsAnytime@FontanaLibrary http://www.youtube.com/watch... I am trying to decide if this is a good thing or way to take human out of library picture
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ACRLog: The Age of Big Access (guest post by our own Iris Jastram) - http://acrlog.org/2010...
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I'm not sure how to be an instruction librarian here, either.
- Catherine Pellegrino
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Oh hey look! That's me! (And I'm always up for hugs, Dorothea.) :-)
- lris
I have said it before, but it's still true: Iris is my librarian hero. Smarts, sensitivity, mental toughness, the ability to make a complicated subject more clear. She just enough humility and just enough killer instinct to write a post like that.
- Steele Lawman
Thank you Iris, this is jump-up-and-down awesomeness!
- Galadriel C.
Excellent post, Iris. Big questions!
- N. Ansi
*faints*
- lris
Just sent the link to my faculty librarian colleagues.
- Pete #TeamMonique
Go, Iris! Awesome!
- LB: #TeamMonique
YouTube - Bad Religion - 21st Century Digital Boy - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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RT @ALA_TechSource: Must-see!! The New Librarianship in the Age of the Ebook; talk by R. David Lankes http://quartz.syr.edu/rdlanke...
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