Rutger: True. I wonder how long it will take for FF/FB to get things working? Google has now a window of opportunity to get earlier FF users over to Google. If they can "steal" the ideas of FF and integrate with Google reader, then Facebook will loose users to Google.
- Frode Stenstrøm
Google is a great company, but an elephant nevertheless. Moving slowly. This is where smaller companies have an advantage. I think Feedly has an opportunity here too. They already offer more social network integration than Google Reader does.
- Rutger Blom
This is been Streamy's problem for a while - does some good things, but nothing exceptionally well.
- Tech Introvert
I even couldn't get it loaded yesterday from 3 different browsers. Today, when it finally agreed to work with me - looks like crap in Opera 10.
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Crashes for me. Plus, it's just too much on the page. Somehow it's a lot of the stuff I don't care about and then too little of what I do care about and I can't be bothered to see if I can change settings to deal with it.
- Kate
That's one of the questions raised in my mind: is it going to be a replacement for all social environments?
- Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
I have a feeling it will be worth the wait...............
- Kevin J Hatton
FriendFeed's not gonna disappear overnight. So far I haven't seen any timetable as to the when it will be completely folded into Facebook. I'm pretty sure both services will still be around on September 30 when the Wave invites go out. I mean, I have more faith in FB (having been a member since 2004) than the average person - I remember when it was a small, personal service like...
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- LANjackal
Yes i definitely see it the agents make for me make more sense then the current ff concept (e.g. publishing comments ...)
- Gerd saurer
Google Wave will be good, no doubt. But I still think 1) It's much too hyped and 2) It's not intended to be a replacement for social media/networking but rather for collaboration.
- Adam Reyher
from Alert Thingy
Just thinking of the business matters here, wouldn't Facebook buying FriendFeed mean that Facebook will be our replacement for FriendFeed? I mean I like Wave, but I feel Wave and FriendFeed are far too different to be used for the same thing.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Yep, FF will be integrated into FB at some point.
- Kol Tregaskes
Hugh, it's a protocol, you could build whatever you like on top of it. I see huge similarities to each.
- Kol Tregaskes
I know Wave is a protocol (XMPP, etc...) but the initial product won't be a FriendFeed replacement. Maybe Wave injunction with it's apis and the embedding feature we'll see a FriendFeed replacement, but the product alone is too far in another direction to be FriendFeed 2.0
- Hugh Isaacs II
"The new Taskbar is probably the most noticeable change to Windows 7 when you first log on. The Windows 7 Taskbar is an application-launching and window-switching mechanism that consolidates the functions of previous Windows Desktop mechanisms, such as Quick Launch, Recent Documents, Notification Area icons, desktop shortcuts, and running application windows. Windows 7 Taskbar offers features like Jump Lists, Preview Handler, and Overlay Icons. But before we start diving into the various Windows 7 Taskbar features, let’s lay the basic foundation to our discussion and define some Windows 7 taskbar terminology."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
"Layar is a new ‘Augmented Reality Browser’ for Android phones. Forget everything you’re used to about searching the internet, Layar throws that all away. By holding your phone in front of you and looking through its camera lens you can actually see the world ‘through the eyes of the internet’."
- Martin Bryant
from Bookmarklet
Is there a similar iphone app? seem to remember something built on top of google maps
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
I think this kind of services has always motivated Google StreetView: users will geotag items very precisely thanks to 3D http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008... and the visualization will even work in the fog :)
- Jérôme Flipo
wow, again very happy with my phone, can't wait to use it
- Jacob
There is an iPhone service called Tonchidot that is development that is similar I think. Saw their presentation at Techcrunch 50 that was amazing.
- Andrew Leyden
Once everything is geotagged and things like this can be crowdsourced we're going to be looking at some really interesting mobile technology. Imagine holding your phone up at the Houses of Parliament and selecting to see 'History' tags and then switching to 'opions' tags, 'architecture' tags or 'protests' tags. It'll be an amazing way to learn about the world around us.
- Martin Bryant
Amazing example of AR ... really shows the future of mobile development in a practical method of use!
- Robert Mattar
Tim OReilly. Oh, please "learn the secrets of getting 100,000 followers?" Yeah, get on the Twitter Recommended Follower list. That's the only way, unless you are Leo Laporte. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Why would people aim for 100k followers? Twitter is for keeping your audience informed. Most people have a small audience and would never and should never get 100k followers
- Chris Saad
Chris: that's what O'Reilly's Twitter Bootcamp is advertising as one of the key benefits of going to its conference. The thing is it isn't possible to get more than 100,000 followers unless you bring the Twitter team a bunch of cupcakes and get added to its recommended follower list. Everyone who has more than 100,000 followers is on that list. Mike Arrington's @techcrunch for instance, had about 40,000 followers before he was added to that list.
- Robert Scoble
No I know - I was questioning the 100k as one of the goals of the camp - not your reference to it :)
- Chris Saad
Chris: if you are a publisher and rely on having large audiences (like @oprah) for your business, then you might care about having lots of followers. I agree that it's not a good goal. It's not achievable, first of all, unless you are a celebrity like @oprah. Second of all businesses should be far more concerned with building a great community with their tweets. More on this in a while with my post about Zappos (they have 430 employees on Twitter).
- Robert Scoble
So Twitter DOES have advertising, they just make recommendations of who to follow instead of running ads -- at least that's how it appears to me.
- Trish R
Trish: exactly. Why did Oprah get on there? She's only been on Twitter for a few days. How can they know she's a good Twitterer? Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Who needs 100,000 followers that they're not really interacting with or engaging in any substantive way anyway? People who teach "secrets of getting 100,000 followers" are just modern-day web 2.O snakeoil salesmen. People should be more interested in some metric of ENGAGEMENT rather than the metric of followers. I'm curious how Twitter would look if they quit publishing follower numbers and everyone could only judge by content alone?
- Chris Aldrich
I don't consider anyone a good Twitterer who has thousands of followers and only follows < 100-200.
- Trish R
Is there a technology available that can detect whether someone is doing all of their own twittering? I gather tweet frequency would be a big part of this. : ) A group of folks I was with this morning was discussing this. I know I can't tweet that fast!
- Rob Schieber
Chris: I wish Twitter would do that, but Twitter is not saveable. The corporate culture there is not community focused and there's no way to change that once a culture gets set in place.
- Robert Scoble
Rob: I find that asking them to Tweet in front of me usually does the trick. :-)
- Robert Scoble
The slide show above is from a new photo viewer by Microsoft called DeepZoomPix. The technology feels a lot like CoolIris to me and I think that you are going to see more and more dynamic ways of viewing photos online like this in the future. The view above is pretty simplistic as an embedable slide player, but you get a far more interesting view if you actually click through to one of my albums. You can check out the more interactive version of the above slide show here.
- Thomas Hawk
Nice writeup. DeepZoomPix is cool for making DeepZoom widely available. Thomas, have you seen what we did for HardRock with deep zoom? http://memorabilia.hardrock.com/
- Alan Le
Excessively slow (at least on my system)
- Kevin Kuphal
Mine too, I think it got Scobleized.
- Andrew Leahey
I use it on Safari 4, so it doesn't seem to be limited to Firefox
- Seth Greenblatt
PeopleBrowser looks interesting, though I'd like to wait until they change it to OAuth sign-in to Twitter. At this point, there is no need/excuse anymore for requiring username & password. Valid points about whether it can sustain a heavy load once "Scobleized"..
- Alex Schleber
Not a clone, but they've been moving the chess pieces around for awhile now, adding bits to each service to tie it all together and grow it socially. The most popular search engine, and a free (email) account are the foundations.
- LogEx
they need it imho to clearify their social graph informations they have due to the google accounts (and mail)
- Andreas Klinger
and as the future social network is called internet they dont need to clone fb - just to have the correct socialgraph info (all imho)
- Andreas Klinger
So my blog is attached to my google voice and my google check out, plus I use the gmail service all the time, and sometimes use the google docs, but do have some organizations that use the google apps. Now if all these things were brought together in one big web app.. oh lets say.. igoogle.com where I can add apps and tools and such, wow.. all I need now is to get updates on others in the google system.
- Uncle CW™
It's not a Facebook clone, it's a killer. One social network to rule them all!
- Derek Pangallo
it's about time they get a decent, real, uberFriendFeed social, ... other than the old http://Orkut.com, popular namely in Brasil .. they have audience, visitors, and that is what really counts ...
- Petr Buben
My only concern is that my profile name would be the same as my email address. But I do agree, this could possibly make Google the 1 ton gorilla in the room, as if it wasn't content with being the 800lb gorilla in the room.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
yeo Facebook clone, it is what yahoo wanted to do in turning their email into a social network but never did, Google thing is gona be much more it is gona be location aware using google latitude, plus friend connect.
- Gaith
@derek they will, but proceeding in a very misterious way... i wrote about it yesterday, in last months seems like: 1) All Social Network have his final plan and a lot of pieces come together piece by piece OR 2) They run, copy and try to take best of competitor without a global vision of the future .....
- CantorJF
@Mike Yeah that bothered me too, having my Gmail address as the profile name.
- Sally Church
Lol, i just tweeted you about a post i did about this. "Google are building a social network under our very noses. It could be bigger and better than Facebook." http://is.gd/syn9
- Zee.
Forcing me to use my gmail username as my profile name is irritating.
- Tech Introvert
It's opt-in, so nobody is forced to do anything, and GOOG won't do anything if you do not condone it. How many profiles does one need?
- coldbrew
Google is an extremely cold blooded competitor. They would build the most powerful strategic nuclear weapon and you wouldn't even know till it hits you with one.
- Arvind
C'mon Robert, I told you what we're working on - open standards for making the web social. These are the same profiles used in Friend Connect, they just now have nicer URLs than before. Read http://bit.ly/OSqa for an overview
- Kevin Marks
Chris Messina had a great article up about it all, comparing the two. Check out http://factoryjoe.com for his comparison
- Jesse Stay
Kevin: I know that. I just wanted to have a conversation about this. The fact that you added onto it is EXACTLY why I started it. So people could hear directly from Google about it and now your answer will always be in the search engine here too. :-)
- Robert Scoble
"what is Google going to do with my profile info?" - They turned mine into a newt, but it got better.
- John Craft
I guess its quite a move for their mission to organize the worlds information. Ie people search or recommending stuff based on your profile. They could do that without a google profile of course.
- Michiel Sikkes
So, Scoble, you are orchestrating 'conversations'? Sounds kind of manipulative, but at least your upfront about it. [EDIT: Do you always have ulterior motives?]
- coldbrew
havn't read the whole thread, but Google isn't after Facebook, Google will spend money to buy FF cause FF is more open, and more compliant with Greader and Gprofile (notice that Google profile gather service like FF), you can add your service in your google profile, the second step will be to agregate those service, in Greader sharing and comment on feed is there , so there is 80% that google will make a bid on FF before the end of the year. (but will FF sell to google?) I may say No.
- abdellah
Conversation baiting lol :) I agree that's a pretty fine line to walk. I think abdellah's point is an interesting one. not sure if it makes sense in the timeline that you gave, but perhaps eventually. have the friendfeed founders ever addressed the potential for being acquired?
- Frankie Warren
coldbrew: my goal for life is to have an interesting conversation every day. By doing it here it brings out all the data about a topic that one needs to search for it later on, too. I see my role as sort of a talk show host. abdellah: I believe friendfeed and facebook are on a collision course. Why? Because the money is in search. Friendfeed has a much better search engine, facebook has the users. Which service will have the users AND the search engine first? Facebook. But if Google bought friendfeed ...
- Robert Scoble
THAT would be very interesting indeed! Because Google has the users, too.
- Robert Scoble
I would prefer that google bought Friendfeed instead of Twitter. :)
- Frode Stenstrøm
Robert: Right, but as a "talk show host" i don't think your goal should be to sensationalize to spark conversation... granted you wouldnt have had a response from someone within google setting the record straight, but i dont think you want to sacrifice credibility in the process, right? just my opinion.
- Frankie Warren
Frankie: it's not sensational at all. It's a legitimate question which deserves conversation. How is Google going to get into Facebook/friendfeed is a REAL question for our industry.
- Robert Scoble
Frode: me too. Plus Google would get four of its superstars back that way. Twitter's technology isn't good enough, either. It'd need to be rewritten from scratch for Google. Friendfeed's is a much better code base. Of course since it was written by ex-Google superstars it'll fit right into Google's infrastructure.
- Robert Scoble
Of course. Since Yahoo already tried the same thing....
- Mike Shields
Robert: i agree, but i dont think you believed they were building "a facebok clone" as kevin marks previously told you what they were attempting to accomplish? maybe im overreacting or just don't know the way things work quite yet :)
- Frankie Warren
imagine this: Google + Friendfeed vs Twitter + facebook + Microsoft :) that would be a battle.
- Frankie Warren
i dont want one more social network or conglomeration of social networks what i want is some kind of wallet for them like friendfeed meets flock. some where to edit all of them in one place, and keep up to date like google reader.
- Nicholas
major bummer for me is that i use a google domain. the public gmail account has the shorturl i want to use on my g-domain profile and i can't use it. essentially, the gmail account is "squatting" on my shorturl and there's no way to stop that. makes the google profile kinda worthless for me.
- MikeAmundsen
Their email client is already LIKE a twitter anyway...
- tojfs7931
I really like this idea: I already use GMail, GReader, Picasa, etc. so it makes sense to have all of those services baked into my online presence. Facebook still has the bells in whistles (gah! - I don't care which 5 items you wouldn't leave the house without) but so didn't MySpace back a few years ago -- remember myspace??
- Brian Graves
nicholas - what we need is something like FriendFeed + SocialThing +Ping.FM and you'd have your google reader for social networks.
- Bill Rawlinson
Googles purchase of Friendfeed would save the service I think. Twitter is now beeing mentioned in newspapers and TV everyday here, and is getting the kind of publicity that facebook got at the beginning. No one I speak to have heard about Friendfeed, but everyone that I show it to loves it. I think Twitter can stand on its own, but Friendfeed needs a larger userbase. I fear what Facebook would do to Friendfeed if they got hold of the company,.
- Frode Stenstrøm