Now you're just getting lazy with your scripts!
- Mike Nayyar
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- Tinfoil 2.0
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- Tinfoil 2.0
So it's since Tuesday huh? The ultimate thread. How will the thread die then? We must have a limit for that, let's say 24h without one comment.
- Zu from AOD
As a side note, I do have to applaud the endurance and pettiness of those of us on FriendFeed. No one on Facebook gave this status update a second look!
- Mike Nayyar
We pride ourselves in our pettiness and obsessiveness. Um, wait.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Remember. It's not whole Scoble likes. It's who likes Scoble.
- Akiva
According to FriendFeed, that's everyone. And some Twitter marketers and SEO experts.
- Mike Nayyar
Mike will get in the last word. Eventually. Everyone else is an idiot for playing his little game. Me included. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm not actually playing. Or, if I am, I'm playing to lose.
- Akiva
HAHA! You see that? Robert Scoble acknowledges I will eventually win! HAHA! FINALLY! For once in my life, I win! :) :) :) :) Unless Logical shows up...
- Mike Nayyar
Only mostly dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
- Tinfoil 2.0
We're testing the limit on the number of comments.
- DGentry
Nah, the FFundercats live chat pushed that one way over the top. We are, however, testing the limits oh how sick people are getting of setting my face.
- Mike Nayyar
This thread has a lot of comments, that must mean Mike is an expert of some kind...or maybe an A-Lister. Must stalk^H^H^H^H^Hinvestigate him...
- Rah-PM 2012
Olympus too? Good thing Logical doesn't know any Japanese mythological figures.
- Mike Nayyar
All right, if you're going to play that way, Raijin AND Ajisukitakahikone are BOTH mad at you. And Raijin was especially unhappy because you interrupted his NOMmage of children's bellybuttons.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Dude, my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Raijin put down the platter.
- Tinfoil 2.0
We'd be content, of course, if you (Mike) issued a public retraction of the assertion in your post, followed by allowing someone else to post the last comment in the thread ;-)
- Tinfoil 2.0
805 comments!! I'm afraid to click on the more link....
- Jeff P. Henderson
Nicholas, as long as it's not Mike, it's irrelevant.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I'm sad that Logical saw this Facebook status.
- Mike Nayyar
You know at some point, expanding this comment will really put a strain on mortal browsers. It already has a 3 second pause to expand it.
- Mark Philpot
I wonder if at some point we will hit a soft limit and FF won't let it keep going. That or they look at this as a great high-bounds test case for the system.
- Sparky, lurking
Great experiment there, I'm somewhat scared opening the thread here. Funny thing, Even the explosion of words spawned through this, making it a wordle madness. http://www.wordle.net/gallery...
- Zu from AOD
I'm scared to expand the comment thread :)
- Roberto Bonini
There are few computers with the processing power capable of handling the comments in this thread. Except for, you know, quantum computers.
- Mike Nayyar
from iPhone
i'm afraid to click on the link to see all comments. so i'm just typing this so another guy (or gal) can read it and comment to make this comment disappear.
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
If anyone gets these emails in their gmail and got sick and tired of them like me, just press 'm' to mute the conversation (if you have keyboard shortcuts enabled) (haha i got the last word)
- Daniel Morgan
No you just don't know I posted this.
- John D Reasor
cant the person that started this block the comments now? and thereby win.
- Morgan
If you can get buddy buddy with mike and figure out his schedule, you can prevent him from stopping the comments because you'll always be able to get the last word in. We must prevail for great justice!
- Jonathan Hardesty
That would be cheating, and he knows it :)
- Tinfoil 2.0
That's how the FriendFeed Mob rolls. :-D
- Steven Perez
from IM
you didn't disable the comments yet? you could comment and then do it and then you really would get the last word. but then again, that's cheating. and cheaters never prosper.
- Trish Haley
You're not supposed to make sense of it. It exits only as an opaque, monolithic data structure that is constantly being updated and evolving. ;)
- Tyson Key
Attempting to parse it in a manner that is not approved by FriendFeed, Inc may result in disruption of the space-time continuum, and a series of Bad Things(R) occurring.
- Tyson Key
not only does it make julian fries, but it slices and dices in in seconds. ORDER NOW and you'll get this special gift ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!!!!11!!1ONE!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from email
this is the thread that doesn't end, yes it goes on and on my friend, Mike started it not knowing what it was, and it'll keep on going no matter what just because this is the thread that doesn't end, yes it goes on and on my friend, Mike started it.....
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
from IM
welcome back my friends, to the thread that never ends, we're so glad you could attend, step inside, step inside.
- Mike Nencetti
MISSILES FOR ALL! Gun control is for unarmed wussies! Blow away comment limits! Damn the torpedoes! FULL STEAM AHEAD!!!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from email
Test conducted to see how long this can last.
- Ashish
it'll never die, with all the wireless cards out there transmitting this, it'll reach alpha centuari in about 300 years.
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
from IM
It's not because I'm a person who wants to have the last word, but just because you people keep me reminding that there are others that do want that very badly, that causes me to comment here once again. HI! I'M BETTER THAN MIKE NAYYAR!!!!!!! LOSER! :-)
- Ton Zijp
This IS the time and place to announce a gathering of the societal beginnings of the intrepid adventures of... Wait... sorry, this isn't the place? Oh, okay, I'll go back home then.
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
I was able to expand this thread on my Droid incredible, and post this comment at the end. Nice test of Dolphin HD browser.(edit - I use the default FF web page.)
- Mike Nencetti
from Android
If I get the last word in, will I get .LAG's World Series tix???
- Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™
It's been a while, Mr. LastWordThreat. I did some good things these recent months. Care to share some of your insights while you were on that trip? TLDR. 8) (2K+ comments is massive hehe, we're getting to your second b-day)
- Zu from AOD
All I want for Christmas are my two front teef.
- Mike Nayyar
Eventually, you will win. Because you're not married to this thread. But if you ever marry...your trend of always getting the last word will end. Painfully.
- Bubba Botts
This thread must go away!!! What if it kills FF!?
- SAM
this thread could go away right now. but you people keep posting comments...wait....didn't I just do the same thing? OK, nevermind. Long live this Thread!!!!
- Morgan
I heard Nayyar had to get in the The Last Word, always. I talked to the casting director, and Mike Nayyar got the lead in The Last Word.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
this is the last one -------------->>> WORD!
- .LAG liked that
Every middle brings another middle. When the world ends, will this comment be toward the end of the thread, or toward the beginning?
- John E. Bredehoft
You guys!!! This post will forever break FF if we're not careful.
- SAM
Yeah, we should all totally stop bumping this post.
- Slippy
I'm surprised Friendfeed can still expand this thread.
- Morton Fox
OMG, doesn't even want to image what would happen if Nayyar tried to use #fftop20. Actually I kind of do, but I bet it would be slow. Scores would be off the charts though.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Probably still under 9000, people should try harder.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Another word and the forces will abolish all forms of Cilantro on this planet called Earth, message received from Planet Janet
- Janet-The Bottley Crue
Message to Planet Janet: you know you love it with cilantro, baby.
- Steven Perez
Now see this is the interesting thing: if anybody posts, then you have to. So if everybody keeps posting, you'll just have to keep up with us. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
- caj needs a haircut
Debating tip: never try to get in the last word. Always give your opponent the opportunity to get in the last word. By some sort of mysterious karmic law, your persuasiveness will improve immeasurably. :)
- Sean McBride
Steven Perez isn't a Bunneh!!! As long as he doesn't respond.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
So... it's kind of like a "tontine" but with a pretty weak payoff?
- Mark J
It's okay, he's got a Catch-22 now. Steven Perez isn't a Bunneh, so long as he doesn't respond. And we all know he refutes his Bunneh status.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
It was real hawt in the town that night! IF I EDIT 18 hours later like now - is your last still last if comments are disabled? A hawt question.
- Steve Cleary
Steven is a Bunneh!!! He responded when I said he wasn't. Bunneh's can win if they want.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
You did see where I said that I like my food scared and running, yeah? Mmmmm, ferret-ka-bobs ...
- Steven Perez
from IM
I do indeed see where this is headed, and no sir, I don't like it. *calls upon the forces of Voltron
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
from IM
Sadly, the only Voltron to heed your call is the vehicle Voltron. And I disabled that yo-yo by pulling out the sparks plugs in the car feet.
- Steven Perez
from IM
It's an old Navajo word for "punk-ass bitch".
- Steven Perez
from IM
No one has the slightest idea how much Steven is enjoying this...
- Abhishek
very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy very busy
- Steven Perez
from IM
VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY
- Steven Perez
from IM
hmm... 800+ comments on this thread, and this is my first, and probably last comment on this thread. I wonder should I read all the comments, or just post?
- Mike Nencetti
Are you guys still trying to win?
- Steven Perez
from IM
23 years from now, Steven will still check his MSGoogle MyFriendFace feed every morning so he can respond to this post with 3,137,783 comments...
- Just Joe
from iPod
After half a month there must have been moment you thought it would not be a real big deal if you eventually should NOT have the last word, I suppose?
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Now that you've nearly reached 1100 comments, I realized that I hadn't officially "liked" this yet! Error rectified, though you're clearly a comment whore, you show great panache while doing so!
- Mark J
Ohhh, you mean that place, which is totally faked by a #viciousbunneh who was in cahoots with the government in taking all the alfalfa plants into an underground hidden bunker.
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
Now that I have achieved status of half-centurian, I request the next 50 days of last word in honor of my achievement of breathing.
- Janet-The Bottley Crue
Well, well, well. Has it been 50 days already?
- Steven Perez
I will allow you to have the last word. But to take that last word you are surrendering your honor to a den of sightless whores.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
It was a test. Honor is pride. A den of sightless whores is merely an event that you will carry forever. You have attained the 7th level of enlightenment.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Considering that this thread has only been around since August, and has been shut down for the last two months, that's not too bad.
- Steven Perez
from IM
2012 is just the begining of the 13th Baktun, the long cont calendar doesn't actually run out until sometimes after 4772, that is of course if you stick with only Baktuns and don't use the other 4 higher counts, I just think FF will end in 4217 on planet Tersanzar :)
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
Ah, right thread. In that thread, it's asked what you think you smell like. In this thread, I told you what I think you smell like.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Cilantro, Strawberries, and Chilaquiles.
- Steven Perez
I think this has lasted long enough. We already know what has to be the last word, it's already in the original quote. I will put it as the closing comment. I think we will all feel relieved we can now carry on to do greater things. For ourselves, our loved ones and the world.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
I dunno, the Akiva nipple-licking beach picture is pretty long, too. :-) Ah, and it looks like Mike Nayyar's last-word thread has more than 2200 comments in it. I guess we'll have to step it up over here, huh?
- Ladyepiphanybug
"It’s taking something everyone knows on the web (your email address) and making it immensely more valuable as a way to identify yourself and information about you. Exactly what kind of information? Here are some of the ideas from the WebFinger Google Code page: * public profile data * pointer to identity provider (e.g. OpenID server) * a public key * other services used by that email address (e.g. Flickr, Picasa, Smugmug, Twitter, Facebook, and usernames for each) * a URL to an avatar * profile data (nickname, full name, etc) * whether the email address is also a JID, or explicitly declare that it’s NOT an email, and ONLY a JID, or any combination to disambiguate all the addresses that look like something@somewhere.com * or even a public declaration that the email address doesn’t have public metadata, but has a pointer to an endpoint that, provided authentication, will tell you some protected metadata, depending on who you authenticate as."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
I don't want my contact information to be my identifier. I shouldn't have to give a website my email address, just like I shouldn't have to give a store my phone number.
- Daniel Sims
Daniel, I think it just takes the form of an email address, but does not in fact have to be one (or could be a "throw away" account).
- Paul Buchheit
It would be cool if we could get our act together (as an industry) and make this stuff happen. I'd also like to see ENUM deployed to the point that my phone number can be linked to my identity. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...)
- Joe Beda
This is a bad idea in so many ways I can't even begin to list them.
- April
If a site wants my email address, it's probably in order to spam me. It's usually a bad sign. If legit sites ask for my email more, it will make it harder to identify the spammers.
- Tim Tyler
Do gmail users seriously still have problems with spam? I don't.
- Robin Barooah
Personally this sounds great - as long as it really doesn't force you to use your actual gmail address.
- Robin Barooah
Does this mean I can have a .plan again?
- Benjamin Lee
Sounds like the .plan which is (again) accessed via an id in email format and returns different information/metadata about a person depending on who's accessing it. Email id is used to do a DNS lookup in order to discover URL for the XRD file (accessed with a HTTP GET) containing the metadata about the person being, er, WebFinger-ed.
- Nenad Nikolic
it is like user authenticating, having two three ids won't hurt ;) well i don't want to be identified, they are going same as gravatar
- testbeta
It's so curious to me that people have concerns that WebFinger would lead to more spam, and yet don't like the "format" of URLs for IDs. Personally, as far as OpenID is concerned, I don't care what the identifier looks like as long as people can remember it — typically email seems easier to recall than URLs (for most people in today's world).
- Chris Messina
Some users who have an email account with Google, myself included, have oodles of incoming mail both standard and secure so it fits the bill to increase security for both vendors and marketers.
- frank burns
I have no problem with the idea, but it seems to me that it won't help the current state of affairs much. The kind of information I'd be interested in sharing via Webfinger (my OpenID, a URL to a FOAF file, etc.) will have no better adoption, so the Webfinger configuration doesn't buy me much. I'll hold out hopes that after a couple tight integrations between Webfinger and OpenID providers (say if Google, Microsoft and/or Yahoo provided and consumed both) things will improve ... here's to hoping :(
- J. McConnell
Years ago I experimented with FOAF. I didn't fully understand nor appreciate what I was doing. To serve as a warning, if you take this example, ensure that it is blocked. #Example: I sent a file to Adobe which in turn, was sent to another email account I had at the time. I verified it's sender (ME) and sent it back in the direction of travel. A signed FOAF (API KEY) was then returned...
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- frank burns
I still haven't met a FF application I could stand to use for more than a few minutes.
- Craig Eddy
I saw an early alpha of the iPhone app. Looked good. I also saw an early alpha of Seesmic web and the way it advanced between the alpha and launch was dramatic - so I expect the iPhone client will track the same way.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Robert that's really great. I definitely will consider switching back when the Seesmic iPhone app arrives.
- Vinko
Will get me,too, switched back to using Seesmic ;) Looking forward to hear from Loic soon
- Ali BULUT
This might just tempt me away from Tweetdeck...
- Andrew Terry
If they add friendfeed to the web app, I'll maybe use it instead of PeopleBrowsr. But then again, peoplebrowsr has implemented friendfeed in a very good way already.
- Svartling
You gotta keep an eye on Yahoo homepage. They have FB integration and someday may integrate Twitter (they have the 'what are you doing now'). Seesmic is way ahead, but Yahoo has mainstream adoption
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, I agree. The new Yahoo homepage is impressive.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Im not sure it's impressive, as it's evolutionary, not revolutionary. When Wave comes out, it could dash the shine that Yahoo has.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Where do I sign up! I'm praying your web app will make my life of FF, FB, Twitter ETC more manageable!!!!! W/out crashing my puters AND still let me see my Home feeds!
- Arleen Boyd
I'm thinking that this is the type of post that would be good reason for FriendFeed to have a "Love" click option next to the "Like" click option so that we can register better levels of our emotion towards news we read in others' streams!
- Chris Aldrich
I've been out on the tundra on one of these tours, I would have LOVED to have a bear stick his nose in and say Hi. They're such beautiful and incredible animals
- Will Higgins™
"Okay guys, who left the window open again?!"
- Holger Eilhard
...this reminds me of the Far Side comic where two polar bears are hovering over igloos, and one says to the other: "I don't know what you call them, but I love eating these things... they're chewy on the insides."
- .LAG liked that
http://www.google.com/reader... I'm glad you asked this right now. I just realized that several people are following me and I didn't even know it. I hope it hasn't been this way for long!
- Michael Fidler
Just noticed that Reader now allows grouping of people you follow! Wondering: is Reader going to become a competitor (instead of complement) to FriendFeed?
- Chris Rogers
@rogersdc / Chris, Google Reader is obviously been trying to become more social, but I'd really like to see FF come out with a bookmarklet that makes sub'ing RSS feeds to FF easier/faster. Right now it's a manual process involving either a new Group/Room or Imaginary Friend. Should be 2 clicks tops.. Also see: http://friendfeed.com/alexsch...
- Alex Schleber
Here is mine : http://www.google.fr/reader.... I share (mainly on French sites and blogs) about libraries, literature and arts, human and social sciences, photography :-)
- Nadine Pestourie
LOL here we go again :o) http://www.google.com/reader... I share a lot of blogs and funny stuff that I read, it's neat how I can share and it gets posted all over by friendfeed.
- David Gross
http://www.google.com/reader... - I share items about productivity, gaming, movies, and misc. stuff from the Google "cool" via Recommendations feed. Thanks Kol for starting this thread because I've been trying to cut down on the number of feeds I subscribe to and instead just follow interesting people.
- Dusty Edenfield
Svartling: good point about adding people to groups. I noticed I couldn't comment on items that were shared by some users.
- Dusty Edenfield
I've (we) written a lot of more good tips on how to use Google Reader in Google Reader comments. It's too bad we don't have permalinks in Greader so we can share our notes and comments. Otherwise I could have posted a link here. Here are some on friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/svartli...
- Svartling
Thanks for posting this Kol. Never paid any attention to my shared items folder before but just did!
- Martha
The conversation is really blowing up (in a good way) on Reader. The most important reminder currently is to set up groups and allow commenting. That is NOT on by default!
- Vince DeGeorge
Thank you all. I think I have subscribed you all now (except those feed in languages I don't understand) Here is mine again: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Svartling
I've started to follow a few of the people here but there's quite a few, so will take me a while :) - My currently fairly bare feed is: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Roy Herrod
There are a few entries here you might like to read to help you. This one: http://ff.im/6CkQj explains about adding people to groups to allow them to comment and why some don't stay in groups. In this one: http://ff.im/6F9pQ I suggest a way to track a large number of shared items using PostRank. This: http://ff.im/6Ci0P and this: http://ff.im/6AM35 has a few tips on using GReader as a lifestreaming service. And this: http://ff.im/6EMT1 gives a few examples of GReader bundles.
- Kol Tregaskes
Those of you above whom I already follow on FF/Twitter/etc., I've subscribed to your feeds. As for the rest of you: if you follow me on GReader, I'll follow you back.
- Dennis Jernberg
I'm sharing some pages now, including a few of my past blog entries.
- Dennis Jernberg
Because I have issues with data duplication, I have merged this list with the google reader shares room feeds. You can view the Google spreadsheet at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...
- Rob Diana
There are a bunch of shared feeds that I could not resolve the Google username for because they did not have a named profile set up.
- Rob Diana
tristanhambling, your link didn't work. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
It would be really handy to have all these shared feeds as an opml file. Has anyone added everyone? Care to export an opml of the shared feeds?
- Paul Jacobson
I'm http://www.google.com/reader... Not really comfortable with the custom URL though since it can only be your gmail username. Makes it really easy for spamspiders I think.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Tobias, possibly but not had any problems myself though Gmail has the best spam filters around so I probably not noticed. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... mostly webdev, photography news, music, world news which i get interested. plus half of them may be article in Japanese. sorry. :-p
- browneyes
Andy, Richmond Park and the others around there are the appeal really. Good place to go photographing and cycling while being very close to London I think.
- Kol Tregaskes
Teddington (across the river from Kingston Upon Thames, is where I think I'd like to live. Just 'cos it's cheaper than everywhere else around it. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I've checked rental prices in the area several times over the last 2 years and Teddington is definitely cheaper. I'm not buying, no way I can afford that. ;-) All a pip-dream anyway, need a steady job and I've not had that for a while. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
anyone use google reader on windows mobile professional? I cant seem to get it to work and when I try to go to the mobile site it takes me to the regular site.
- David Gross
Nope, sorry can't help you there, David.
- Kol Tregaskes
Greetings from the floors, And later moved to go Through your profile The site until this my email address below (Doreen_des@yahoo.com) Doreen you with love & hugssssss (doreen_des@yahoo.com)
- lizzybab4life
""Researchers have determined that thinking about God can help relieve anxiety associated with making mistakes. However, the finding only holds for people who believe in a God. The researchers measured brain waves for a particular kind of distress response while participants made mistakes on a test. Those who had been prepared with religious thoughts had a less prominent response to mistakes than those who hadn’t. “Eighty-five percent of the world has some sort of religious beliefs,” says Michael Inzlicht, who cowrote the study with Alexa Tullett, both at the University of Toronto-Scarborough.""
- RAPatton
"The results showed that when people were primed to think about religion and God, either consciously or unconsciously, brain activity decreases in areas consistent with the anterior cingulate cortex (ACC). The ACC is associated with a number of things, including regulating bodily states of arousal and alerting us when things are going wrong. Interestingly, atheists reacted differently....
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- RAPatton
never thought livecience.com assumes their auditorium to be all-GOP-loving-God :)
- A. T.
"The results showed that when people [...] think about religion and God [...] brain activity decreases." Well, that made me smile.
- Mark H
A, To rephrase: "Eighty-five percent of those surveyed attest to some form of religious belief." B. To some of us, including many agnostics, atheism *is* a form of religious belief. The belief that there is no god is precisely as provable as the belief that there is one. Ow. Now my brain hurts.
- Walt Crawford
My mom brought 2 scanned pictures for me to check out at lunch today. First one is my grandpa at about 16: he lied about his age to enlist in the Navy right at the end of WWII (to put into perspective, his family were German immigrants and he was persecuted all through school for being German). Apparently grandpa was quite the hottie...
Crazy Tina. Same with my Dad. German-Irish immigrants. Lied about his age and everything. Whassup cuz?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Grandpa wound up being a cook on a ship and as such couldn't make food in anything resembling normal quantifies. He wound up having 6 kids (my mom is 4 of 6) and would make pancakes on the weekends. He'd ask the kids how many pancakes they could eat and the boys would invariably say 5+. This was a mistake, as Grandpa's pancakes were the size of the 16" cast iron skillet he cooked them in...
- FFing Enigma
Mathew, if you've got family in Michigan or South Dakota, then yeah we could very well be cousins.
- FFing Enigma
I'm totally digging this old picture meme.
- Will Higgins™
I don't actually know, Mathew. He and my grandmother won't talk about a lot of this period of their lives and keep certain things secret that (to the rest of us at least) don't seem very important. My mother only found out a few years ago that the name on Grandpa's birth certificate is Wilhelm and not William (and my grandmother kinda freaked about her seeing that).
- FFing Enigma
My dad was a fire control PO with a penchant for Boxing which got him from the Cruiser Helena to the BS MO then UDT, and China for another of those secret US wars.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
See if you can do some field recording. We have been doing similar with my Dad and grandparents while they were alive. It is good for your family if nothing else.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Mathew: this is exactly what i was digging at with my recent All Wordy And Junk blog post - document the oral histories of your family and friends before it slips away!
- Joe The Sausage
Dead Silence: I am off to read your blog now. :) It is amazing what experiences the folks around us have had.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Um..-- Dead Silence -- I made the mistake of thinking that you aggregated your blog here. Have a link for me?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Odd.. it won't let me comment. It asks for the type the word people test but no place to type the word.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
*sigh* That's the second heads up I've received about the comment area causing issues. Are you using Chrome?
- FFing Enigma
i can comment fine with FF 3.5.2 and yet another person here using the exact same version had an issue crop up with posting a comment. wtf?
- Joe The Sausage
I've posted a thread on Google Buzz: http://bit.ly/bGaHvj and trying out a post on Google Wave: http://bit.ly/ac2u1m Where are you from? Who are your supporting? What are your thoughts and predications of the match?
- Kol Tregaskes
USA! USA! I hope they talk slow so I can understand what is happening.
- Eric
England to win 3-0 with the two latter goals coming after I'm so steaming drunk I can't see the TV from playing the "down a shot every time Heskey falls over" game.
- Mark H
US link working fine from here in the US. I am expecting a thorough ass-kicking by u guyz on our guyz, but hoping for more of a Spain v US replay ; >
- Thom Kennon
Kol, looks like, so far, you're gonna be outnumbered here... better spend the next 2 hours rustling up some English cowboys ; >
- Thom Kennon
Halil, the link was via ABC, does it not work?
- Kol Tregaskes
Thom, hehe, well that would be down to maths. More Americans on the planet, more Americans on the net, more Americans on FriendFeed. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Where are all the England supporters? Or just anyone from the UK? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
It will be fun to see England beat the Americans in something. =P England to win 3-1. Rooney twice and Gerrard once to score.
- Faraz Mullick
Things England has contributed to the world: BP, kidney pie and East India Company. THings America has contributed to the world: Apple, rock and roll, Megan Fox. 'Nuff said.
- Mike Nayyar
Im going to watch it on ITV, found it listed there, not a channel i watch much these days.
- Halil
(Let it be known: I am a huge anglophile, but I'm a bigger patriot. Also, I'm a liberal. WHOA CONTRADICTIONS!)
- Mike Nayyar
So by how many goals will USA lose do you think??? :-P
- Halil
Halil, yeah it's a shame ITV have the England match today. I really don't like their sport coverage.
- Kol Tregaskes
CBC are covering it here, so I'm not sure who will be commentating. Oh, and - IN-GER-LAND!
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Kol, i don't like anything they cover, sports, politics, news, it all sux. The ONLY thing they are good at is the occasional drama, that's it.
- Halil
Rene says you can watch the match on ESPN3.com
- Kol Tregaskes
I just checked, but ESPN3.com does not do a live feed of England-USA :-(
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
I'm thinking that none of the USA games will be streamed live, all others possibly might.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Kol, the link that you posted up above seems to be different than the site that espn3.com forwards to... and it seems like it might stream for me here -- maybe it has to do with it being a USA game -- actually it looks like it has to do with it being on ABC instead of ESPN --- since ABC is a national broadcast network they're probably not restricting it - and it is a different site than espn3 (espn3 doesn't have the game today)
- Chris Heath
I don't like Lampard and Gerrard together in central midfield. Milner should play central with Lamps and Gerrard should play on the left/in the free role.
- Toby Graham
Wondering what I will do when in Germany, the bbc links only work within the uk dont they?
- Iphigenie
R was too chicken to go watch it in the pub, being american and all. I thought this would be fun, considering we'd be happy whoever wins :)
- Iphigenie
USA Subs: Guzan, Beasley, Bornstein, Buddle, Edu, Feilhaber, Gomez, Goodson, Holden, Spector, Torres, Hahnemann.
- Kol Tregaskes
Referee: Carlos Eugenio Simon (Brazil)
- Kol Tregaskes
Posting that on B uzz was so much easier. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
yeah but my buzz doesnt refresh, unlike here. FF is so much more "live"
- Iphigenie
Joelle, you have to view it from your Buzz stream or inside Gmail for it to update in real-time. I think the only place it doesn't update in real-time is the thread pages, which is very annoying.
- Kol Tregaskes
Did anyone see the Nike long version commercial? That commercial is one of the best I've seen!
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
you're right, i just followed the thread link and had i opened it in gmail it would refresh :)
- Iphigenie
Don't underestimate the US, the more interested they have gotten in football, the better they have got. Tons of money poured in the sport, and the university system creates a lot of focused and fit athletes. Could be the year they pass the line into top countries.
- Iphigenie
not a real delayed feed, i had paused it while the phone rang, and it started where i had paused. a reload cleared it but i missed the goal :(
- Iphigenie
Positive start for England. Now I'm going to be nervous for the rest of the game.
- Kol Tregaskes
Gerrard and Lampard could be the decisive force that breaks down US backline consistently
- Thom Kennon
Glad for england, they need the morale boost :)
- Iphigenie
I'm happy for Gerrard as he's always criticised for not playing as well for England as he does for Liverpool. Glad he's got a goal and is the captain today.
- Kol Tregaskes
Howard is right to be losing his shit right now.
- Mike Nayyar
from iPhone
Defense isn't doing so well for the USA team right now. Allowing England to cross midfield too much. Wow, listen to me, I almost sound like I know what I'm talking about.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
R is playing portal instead of watching. Wtf?
- Iphigenie
My parents are leaving, I think it is time to take this to the HDTV.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
As a swiss daughter of a football player married to an american i really dont care who wins (sorry), ever. I care about seeing good footie, and this is starting nicely :)
- Iphigenie
Kol: yes, there was an ad break out of nowhere; when it came back we were celebrating the goal. ITV HD. May not have occurred on ITV1.
- Mark H
I can't stand the stress!!!!!
- Martha
from fftogo
After that early goal, US has been great with possession and pace. If we lose, that goal will be looked upon rather ruefully.
- Mike Nayyar
from iPhone
Kol: that link is blocked at work. :(
- Steven Perez
Disagree, Kol; world cup games aren't very atmospheric usually anyway since it's such a mix of fans. Horns help. Reminds me of the African Cup of Nations.
- Mark H
Eivind, not really sure. Subbed for Milner who just got a yellow card. But I can't believe that's the reason.
- Kol Tregaskes
First time we've heard Lampard's name. I suppose Gerrard is taking the aggressive role in midfield and Lampard will hold back
- Mike Nayyar
from iPhone
Great getting back by England then; quickest I've seen us move in years. That's Capello's influence.
- Mark H
Hmm, did anyone think that Green's hands looked a little...OILY?
- Mike Nayyar
from iPhone
I was really drunk during that one, Mark :)
- Eivind
I think he was screened by his back from the initial strike and so he never got square to the ball. that's his excuse and he should stick with it. every "soccer" coach in America will likely us the tape as a teaching moment when training new strikers ; >
- Thom Kennon
Oguchi is still a bit better than last world cup, but he needs more, its nice to be both alumni of the same university.
- ۳۰ مرغ Loves Y'ALLLLL
Re: the vuvuzela horn... according to BBC engineers it is a B flat below middle C with a fundamental of 233Hz. If that means anything to anybody then good.
- Mark H
Univision just said a funny story about the guy who was told to get out of the game to change his shirt. He was arrested because he stole the toilet seat of a store. Hahaha
- Shevonne
Where was the England bite? We were the better team but where was that killer instinct?
- Mark H
think they will just play safe and waste 10 of all watchers' minutes? fear so too
- Iphigenie
Both teams need some 5-Hour Energy for their next matches. This is going to turn into another Group of death.
- Carlos Ayala
Well I predicted a 1-1 draw. I was happy before the match if we got a draw. But I'm disappointed we let in the very poor own goal and that we didn't any of the many chances we had. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
When have we last seen the "England bite"?
- Iphigenie
@Carlos I have some. Ill give it to them. haha
- Shevonne
LOL@Shevonne. They need cases of it girl!
- Carlos Ayala
i dont think it went down on the books as an own goal. and IMO it wasnt one either.
- Carlos Ayala
Joelle: we used to have people to fear up front; Shearer, Lineker, etc. Now, it's... midfielders who sometimes score and Heskey who never does. Plus Crouch. Oooh. Frightening.
- Mark H
All in all, that was a fantastic game. Fast pace, some unlucky breaks, but overall, great effort on both sides at varying times.
- Mike Nayyar
See you guys back here- Kol, thx for hooking us up!
- Thom Kennon
Mark: Totally agree - too many media stars nowadays. Odd that the amount of money in the game in the UK seems to not have helped the quality of play :(
- Iphigenie
nice game though, all in all --shuts up now--
- Iphigenie
hey, just noticed twitter is putting icons on hashtags, cute+
- Iphigenie
Matthew, you've been watching another match then. It was definitely an own goal.
- Kol Tregaskes
Thom, no worries. Are we playing the US again then? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks for everyone joining in. I was worried we'd have no one here.
- Kol Tregaskes
I look forward to the next big match everyone is on for. What's coming down the pipe of note this weekend?
- Mike Nayyar
Algeria vs Slovenia, Serbia vs Ghana and Germany vs Australia.
- Kol Tregaskes
I'll be supporting Algeria, Ghana, and Austalia tomorrow.
- Mark H
Interesting game there ... the Altitude is affecting many players.
- Amani
Although the score is confirmed as 1-1. I have an overwhelming feeling as though England lost the match and USA won it. Strange. Next match we have to beat em though
- Mehmet John Doguelli
they can only meet again in the finals, right?
- Chris Heath
Chris, I believe that's who it works. You can only possibly meet teams in your group again in the final.
- Kol Tregaskes
yeah, after the group stage it moves to a single elimination bracket tournament and the two teams from each group that pass get placed on opposite sides of the bracket so they can only meet again in the final (or i guess the 3rd/4th place game)
- Chris Heath
you didn't show your work echostreamer? B-
- Chris Heath
Proofs are World Cup problems first encountered in geometry. The object of a proof is to show the domination of Germany which proves my theorem (That Germany rules this World Cup), written as a list of math statements. Sometimes Youtube clips are added to explain if the statement is a given, or can be concluded from a given based on a proven theorem. I offer as my math proof - Michael Ballack - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- echostreamer
Louis, agree. Wish we didn't have to sleep, could get so much more done.
- Kol Tregaskes
yeah, but it kinda reminds us whose in charge. ;) It provides time for a problem to resolve. Many people get their greatest ideas in that space of "reverie" right before they awaken. Dreams often work out issues and problems. And without it you don't detox the body properly: it is our biggest detoxification process.
- Melanie Reed
I find sleep quite productive. It gives my unconscious/subconscious time to work stuff out. If it weren't for sleep, showers, and loo breaks, I'd never solve anything!
- Ladyepiphanybug
Maybe Louis Gray is actually sleeping right now and living the dream... and we are just his imagination. :o
- Jemm
Jemm haha maybe. ;) But I'd like a better dream, Louis. ;)
- Melanie Reed
Louis, I do agree. The problem is that unless you have a VERY smooth-talking neurologist, it costs $900/month to go without sleep regularly. Oh - wait - that Provigil/Nuvigil trick doesn't work too well after age 49 and 11/12. Course, I'd be a font of extra productivity to have it WITH some sleep . . .
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
I would respond to this nonsense, but what's the point?
- Bren
from iPhone
Louis, I thought you were going to be 100% positive from now on..Sleep hater.. :)
- Alex Schleber
If you don't sleep, the rest of your life is unproductive and a waste of time.
- George S.
Sorry, could you repeat that? I only got 4.5 hours of sleep last nite and my ability to comprehend what you've written has been compromised.
- The original Kevin
Sleep is productive for me. I get some of my best story ideas in my dreams.
- Dennis Jernberg
What Louis is really saying is "Learning and remembering are unproductive and a waste of time," since sleep is essential for these. Or maybe Louis is just trying to stir up trouble. :-)
- Ruchira S. Datta
Ruchira, I find I get a lot more accomplished while awake.
- Louis Gray
I recently saw this documentary about dreams. Sleep actually is productive. Dreams shape and refine previous memories. It's like working while resting. http://www.netflix.com/WiMovie...
- Rodfather
Rodfather.. good luck convincing Louis of that, it's his mantra now!
- Chris Myles
Louis, that is partially an illusion. If you forget what you've learned, then you haven't really "accomplished" the learning, right?
- Ruchira S. Datta
Ahsan, remember me suggesting you digitize your handwriting? That time, there were no free solutions; but that excuse is now no longer valid =P
- vijay
from Bookmarklet
No worries, I keep meaning to post it, particularly to the Beginners group. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I listened to the the most recent show last night and it was really good. You guys covered a lot of topics, but it moved at a nice clip. Congrats on the sponsor. If you could explain what Moo Cards are again, I would appreciate it.
- Michael Fidler
Michael, Moo cards are a brand of printed cards. They are popular for their MiniCards, which are about half the size of a business card. You can connect your Flickr and Facebook accounts to it for ease of uploading photos as needed. You can order a pack of 100 unique MiniCards for around 20 dollars US. They are also in the UK so shipping will be reasonable either there or in the US. For more of our published info on Moo cards see: http://www.ffundercats.com/moo...
- Josh Haley
Josh, updates the Moo Card link above, ta. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
The next episode will be live later today, check it out if you can. Who's listening to the podcast today?
- Kol Tregaskes
I didnt really want to add everyone i know on friendfeed to my facebook, i like to keep them seperate as much as i can. but you know what, fuck it http://www.facebook.com/simon... add a note saying you;re from friendfeed if you add me, then i can group everyone up :)
- Simon Wicks
Thanks, Simon. I've not started going through these yet. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm only going to add the people i actually talk to on here. I have a lot less people on my follow list than you, so its a bit easier for me :)
- Simon Wicks
Remember, guys. According to FB, you're only allowed 5000 friends. Spend them wisely.
- James Myatt
As if we weren't before? Were they really that many people here who didn't also have a FB account, even if they didn't list it in their profile? I've been with FB since 2004
- LANjackal
Well, with this news it is pushing me to start using my real name for web services and to kill (or at least slowly stop using) the tomit persona that I have used for many years. Find me here... http://www.facebook.com/ronaldb...
- Sullivan
I'm on Facebook, but I don't have a name in my profile URL (yet; I'm still new...). But if you want it, it's http://www.facebook.com/profile... -- if you friend me, tell me you're from FF.
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't freaking have one because I never wanted to sign up for Facebook. :P Now I find out that through no fault of my own I'm technically a Facebook user? GAH.
- Cheryl Jones
I do not use it much LOL I just post to it from other sites so to fill up my friends stream, I do get messages and some status in text. Anyone who really wants to add me, use the facebook link on my profile. :o)
- David Gross
www.facebook.com/drodzand you won't see much since I got the privacy settings on max in Facebook. Just another reason why I think Facebook is completely different from friendfeed. I hope they keep friendfeed running because I use both services in diametrically diverse ways.
- David Rodriguez
http://www.facebook.com/waltrup... ... Deja Vu... didn't we do this already one? LOL! If you send me a request, please just mention FF. KThnxBye.
- JR
http://www.facebook.com/kimbers... (I can remember if I commented on this already. I don't see "You" on the list, but I'm tired. So, hopefully, I didn't. If I did, oh well.
- Kimber Scott
Thanks Rob, I had forgotten my username for I always used my email address to login - I found there is a settings > username > change thing that lets you change your username once and then you get a facebook.com/username url!
- TrafficBug
I am thinking about just using my Public Page more. Keep my regular profile for family and coworker data. Follow me here if you want more of the type of posts I do here of Friendfeed. http://www.facebook.com/pages...
- Sullivan
I've just noticed that, from left to right, they are lined up youngest to oldest, biggest to smallest, and least warm to most warm. Yes, the tiniest cat puts off the most heat. They're called "Echo Thermal Units".
- FFing Enigma
Several good tips here: http://www.labnol.org/interne... (Save to PDF, Convert partial feed item to full feed via email, AddThis/AddToAny/ShareThis, Backtweets/Technorati/GoogleBlogSearch related conversations)
- Tinfoil 2.0
This could be very good! "Google software luminaries such as Unix co-creator Ken Thompson believe that they can help boost both computing power and programmers' abilities with an experimental programming language project called Go. And on Tuesday, they're taking the veil of secrecy off Go, releasing what they've built so far and inviting others to join the newly open-source project."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
What do you think, Paul? I know it's early, but Python latched on at Google... Think this is a response? And just on a lark, do you think Go may be headed for the browser at some point (to replace javascript)? Many of us have wondered if Chrome will take a stab at reinventing/reworking the web stack. Go feels more like a back-end tool, but wondering what came to your mind when you saw this...
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, Python is nice, but we need a new system language, something high-performance to replace C/C++. This may be it.
- Paul Buchheit
My first reaction was oh yay, another C like language with brackets to make it acceptable. Having Rob Pike and Thompson on the team is impressive but makes me think of a plan9 resurrection. Using CSPs though is pretty cool and it looks like it supports mobile tasks.
- Todd Hoff
"Specifically, Go uses a technology dating back to the 1960s called CSP, or communicating sequential processes, that handles interactions among a set of cooperating programs, Pike said. The technology made an appearance in programming languages such as Occom and Erlang, but it generally hasn't been applied in systems programming."
- Paul Buchheit
If Google uses this for internal projects, that will give it a big advantage over something like plan9 in terms of being practical (not to mention the fact that it's free software, which plan9 was not, and a programming language, not an OS).
- Paul Buchheit
D seems too fragmented to be usable. All my hopes are on Go now :)
- Paul Buchheit
And note that the language is designed to be IDE independent.
- Piaw Na
Plan9 was a set of composable tools. In this case Google is providing the OS and the tools.
- Todd Hoff
Please ; at the end of lines... (I hate languages without ; for some psychological reasons)
- Ozgur Demir
I am no fan of language features designed to ease parsing but i suppose that's important for a system language? But it's hardly a user (i.e. programmer)-centric design. I think they should have drawn more from Scala (for concurrency model) and Io (for a beautiful syntax) instead of the messy, old languages they chose. Luckily, it's not designed for my needs so i'll never have to worry about it.
- ·[▪_▪]·
@ozgurdemir I agree. Either require them or don't. Don't make them optional in some cases. It confuses what programmers generally expect of a programming language: consistency.
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Just checked and hated it. Sorry guys, it's not about the rest of the language.. it's just the ;'s.
- Ozgur Demir
while checking it, I noticed how much I love C / Java syntax and how lame to trying to change it just for to make a new product different.
- Ozgur Demir
For god's sake, who cares what the syntax looks like? What matters is whether it solves useful problems or not. It's designed to clean up a lot of the problems stemming from the legacy of C[++], compile fast, execute fast, be appropriate for systems programming, and have good primitives for concurrency. Those are good goals in my book, and they fill a much-needed niche.
- Joel Webber
I thought it was kinda weird the way the video highlighted how fast it compiles. Compilation speed is great, and the vid was impressive, but I've never seen a language launch where that was highlighted so much. "Look, it compiles fast!!!!!! Oh, BTW, we are trying to solve concurrency".
- Nick Lothian
@Ozgur: Sure, but as long as the syntax isn't broken in some way, or ambiguous (VB6 comes to mind), it's surely much less important than what the language is capable of (compile speed, execution speed, what can be expressed, etc). Syntax seems like a distant third- or fourth-most important aspect to me.
- Joel Webber
@Nick: That kind of struck me as well when they first started talking about it. But when you consider that your main alternative is C++, and that compile times can get absolutely brutal (try compileing WebKit sometime -- it takes hours), it makes a bit more sense.
- Joel Webber
@Joel. yea, I can't say you're wrong and I am right.. these are all preferences.. for me, syntax is an important aspect in terms of code readability that's why I care since it becomes a real pain in the ass on a midsize or bigger project.
- Ozgur Demir
This thread is degenerating into rubbish. You know who you are - please stop.
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
@Joel yeah, I guess. But compiling something like that should take hours! Back when men were men and compiling a kernel on my 386 was a major undertaking success was so much more satisfying! Who are these young'uns Thompson & Pike and what do they know anyway!
- Nick Lothian
Yeah, really! Real programmers had to swap disks multiple times to run a Pascal compiler on Hello World for the C64 :)
- Joel Webber
Compilation speeds mean a lot when you're dealing with the google programming model. This is a company that invented code search for internal use. (See as an example: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7613693...)
- Piaw Na
@Piaw - nice example. I only skipped through it, but I can't see why something like that makes compilation speed critical. It seems similar in concept to static analysis - more speed is good, but the lack of speed doesn't break the model.
- Nick Lothian
@nlothian: static analysis and compilation both include parsing. efficient parsing of C++ is rather hard to achieve, due to messy nature of multiply included files and macro substitutions. if code analysis takes hours (ok, half-hours), it ceases to be useful.
- 9000
Lack of speed totally breaks the model. When you can get your analysis and search tools to respond in sub 500ms, the model for coding completely changes. You no longer remember where files are --- you just search for them and expect the search tool to remember for you. This enables massive code sharing, and allows small teams to be extremely effective, since they can now leverage other teams' work.
- Piaw Na
Use an IDE for iterative development of the components you are working on, make modules independent through interfaces, do a nightly build so the bulk of build products like libraries etc are available, then these compile issues go away. Justifying based on compile times is so 1990s.
- Todd Hoff
Ah, but how exactly does your IDE allow you to do iterative development quickly? You have to be able to compile individual modules (whatever form they take) quickly enough to make this feasible. If you take C[++] as the de facto systems language, it fails badly on this front, because the only way to share interfaces among modules is via the preprocessor, and precompiled headers only get...
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- Joel Webber
C++ allows for abstract base classes. No implementation. Compose systems this way and you minimize recompilation. And I'm assuming the initial subsystems are developed in a mocked unit tested environment and then within a very narrow scope, so interface changes are minimized until the system test phase is reached. The compilation argument would make sense if they were talking about a...
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- Todd Hoff
Sure, but you still have to define the abstract base class (interface) in a header file somewhere, and individual .cc files end up depending upon a large number of these in practice, so that any change to one of them tends to force you to recompile a lot of object files. As you say, there are some ways of reducing this effect, but in practice large C++ systems end up taking forever and a day to compile (try compiling WebKit; a lot of Google code has this problem as well).
- Joel Webber
C++ templates are also implemented badly, which makes compilation slow.
- Piaw Na
Only if you don't compose your system well Joel. I've worked very comfortably on systems that took 12 hours to compile across a cluster of 32 build machines. I'm not saying I don't want a language where you don't have to go through all these hoops, but to say it's inevitable in C++ is not so, you just have to beat make into submission and not create a big ball of mud, which is good practice anyway.
- Todd Hoff
@Todd: Fair enough -- I'm definitely not saying you're wrong, and I have also worked on fairly large C++ code bases (mostly games) without everything going to hell in a handbasket. But you have to admit that it would be nice if you didn't have to wait many hours (or use a Google-sized build cluster) for compiling your code :)
- Joel Webber
I've worked "comfortably" on projects where the full rebuild time was a few hours on my local machine, but I can't say that I was ever working optimally. Even in the instant-on environment I'm working in now, there are occasionally changes that I have to wait a full build/deploy cycle to test and it almost always takes me 2-5x as long to solve problems in that case. You can multitask while you wait, but it's just not the same (IMHO, of course).
- Matt M (inactive)
I think 12 hours to compile across 32 build machines is unacceptable. I want instant compilation. You know, the kind that Turbo Pascal used to have.
- Piaw Na
Piaw before you say what is or is not unacceptable you might want to take the trouble to know what problem is being solved. Turbo Pascal to a real deployed product like a unicycle is to the 5th fleet.
- Todd Hoff
But any, good, modern IDE compiles incrementally and continuously so there's no noticeable compilation step. Compilation shouldn't be a _highlight_ of a new language. It's nice and the ease of building developer tools is a benefit to uptake but, in the end, the language has to be something developers _want_ to read and write since we have to look at it so much. Syntax matters. It's why so much sugar is added to languages.
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As stated before, modern IDEs don't scale to google-sized code bases. Go is not designed for your tiny projects that fit in main memory. It's designed for large scale development projects.
- Piaw Na
@piaw You seem to assume that Google doesn't organize it's code. Any good project, regardless of size, especially for large projects, should be modularized. If Google has to load every piece of code into the IDE, they have more serious problems than Go will resolve. Trust me, I work on a project with tens of millions of lines of Java code and i've been responsible for analysis and...
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Well, Piaw actually did write a fair amount of the code at Google, so I'd give him a little more credit :) I know plenty of people at Google who *do* use Eclipse/IntelliJ on Google's code base (myself included), but you do have to break it into manageable chunks to make it work. That's sometimes easier said than done, to be fair.
- Joel Webber
I think that time spent pruning and organizing your code and library is best instead spent working on better tools that make your development environment super fast and capable of scaling. That's the way Go was designed.
- Piaw Na
If you want fast turnaround, eliminate compiles all together. There's no reason why a language can't support a double or triple hybrid model. Look at a language like Factor, image based like Smalltalk, you write a function, and can patch it into the live running app instantaneously, where it will run interpreted in combination with compiled code, until the runtime gets around to...
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- Ray Cromwell
I noticed that Go has an interpreter work-in-progress living in its source. The start of an instant-run mode?
- Matt M (inactive)
Smalltalk had a massive sharing problem --- you couldn't ever replicate what was in your Smalltalk image on someone else's machine. Eliminating compiles would be nice, but again, if you're solving problems at a massive scale, interpretation would be an order of magnitude loss in execution speed that you can't afford. That said, a Go interpreter would not be out of the question, or even hard to build.
- Piaw Na
@Piaw - was just reading "Coders at Work" this week and Ingalls (http://www.codersatwork.com/dan-ing...) was saying the exact opposite. He said he pauses his Mac machine and sends his Smalltalk system state over to a Windows developer and they start right up, debug, and fix.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
The point is not to have the production version run in interpretation, the point is to increase developer productivity by allowing a fast edit-run cycle, production builds can take as long as necessary. When you're in development mode, you often don't need full execution speed, you are checking for correctness. Take GWT for example. You can make changes to Java source, hit reload, and...
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- Ray Cromwell
What does production mean? An experiment that processes a large number of records so you can decide how to proceed with your line of research is hardly production, but it nevertheless has to execute fast over large amounts of data. You might think that it doesn't matter how quickly that runs, but the difference between 10 minutes and 100 minutes is huge in terms of productivity.
- Piaw Na
Yes, if you copied the entire image over, you could replicate a smalltalk VM. The problem is, then you have to live with the other guy's image and customizations. Smalltalk is great, but it really was designed as a single-user environment.
- Piaw Na
It depends how often you are running experiments over huge datasets like that. In the case where I needed some experimental data to proceed, yes, if after every edit, you had such an experiment, then maybe programming in a neutered language would be worth it, but I'd say that for the majority of developers, this is not the case, so being able to run unoptimized builds/interpretation...
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- Ray Cromwell
No, it is not for everyone. It's very much for large scale datasets that are encountered somewhat frequently on the WWW.
- Piaw Na
thanks andrew... much appreciated :).. hey by the way, can i invite others once i get my wave online?? or is it jus the special people who have the privilege to invite others ??
- Gtp19
I'm not sure; last I heard, people who got their invites directly from Google in the first round *were* able to invite others, but those who had been nominated by other Wave users couldn't. That may have changed now that the rollout seems to be gathering pace...
- Andrew Terry
Howdy there, could I grab one too ? digix[dot]antz[@]gmail[dot]com cheers!
- Antz m
sooo, i guess that means u got ur invite from google directly.. hope the invite policy has changed so that i can add more mates to my wave... thanks once again for the invite :)
- Gtp19
Anthony - done. 8 left. Gtp - you're welcome!
- Andrew Terry
Cheers mate :) does invite come through immediately or after a while ?
- Antz m
I'm not sure how long it takes for the invites to work through the Google-machine - from the horse's mouth: "Invitations will not be sent immediately. We have a lot of stamps to lick."
- Andrew Terry
Clark do you mean facebook chat is not reliable? I use palringo http://palringo.com on phone and pc and have problems with facebook chat.
- David Gross
from email
I want these in my tweetie iphone app and hopefully they'll be in the new tweetie desktop version
- Robert DeBord
Tweetdeck to Twitter list sync would be great
- Mo Kargas
I wonder why Loic only mentions update for Seesmic Desktop, not Seesmic Web. Come to think of it, I wonder what Loic's plans are with the two. It seems like they almost go to different directions (some features are unique to each other)
- Andre P. Siregar
It will be interesting to see if tweetdeck is able to transparently migrate their existing groups to twitter lists.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Ladies and Gentlemen, the REAL FF Manic Depressive, Robert Scoble!
- iTad
You must be back on your med's again Robert : )
- Owen Greaves
You talk out both sides of your mouth so much, I presume this is sarcasm.
- JCunwired
MVB: seems that everyone here wants this, so this is what I'm going to post. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I have no problem with you not liking FriendFeed as a service or not getting anything out of it anymore. You had valid points about forums. What bothered me was the language and the tone of your initial post and screenshot that singled out and attacked the people of FriendFeed. You don't have to like the service or find it interesting but there are more respectful ways to communicate that...ways that don't personally offend the rest of the users and cause them to get defensive and angry.
- joey
joey: you're right. I was wrong. But I'm not getting fed here anymore and I didn't communicate that well.
- Robert Scoble
I guess it's like falling in love with a four-star Thai restaurant that slowly switches to some other kind of food.
- Robert Scoble
Mehmet: I've read it many times. So you're right. Fine. FriendFeed is awesome. Now what?
- Robert Scoble
The worst part is that my "best of day" is dominated by people posting all the different reasons your post was wrong.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: we're even thanks to that man-boob liking photo.
- Robert Scoble
Bill: you are welcome to block me. Then you'll be alone without me.
- Robert Scoble
I was just answering Josh. I'm not baiting anybody myself.
- Bruce Lewis
The food's the same here, you just made a serious mistake by stiffing the wait staff. Face it Robert, you're a fast food kind of guy.
- JCunwired
jcunwired: I enjoy fast food as much as anyone but I do try to temper it with veggies.
- Robert Scoble
Not that there's anything wrong with that. If you need tech "news" you don't want to hang out on a site that's exactly the same kind of awesome it was two months ago.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: I'm not going to fall for your bait. FriendFeed is awesome!
- Robert Scoble
Why is Scoble trying to kill Friendfeed?
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: why would I try to kill something so awesome?
- Robert Scoble
My "more wrong" blog post was (in tone) bait. My comments here are real.
- Bruce Lewis
I swear Robert you like to toy with people because they are so predictable : )
- Owen Greaves
Because he has the delusion that he can.
- JCunwired
Is this what it is going to come to? People ripping each other apart until there is no one left alive when the lights are turned off?
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
jcunwired: I couldn't "make" FriendFeed despite pissing off thousands of people over on Twitter by constantly talking it up. I guess everyone forgets that. Same over on my blog. And I've shown FF to thousands of people during speaking engagements. But, no, all that work didn't help make FriendFeed hyper popular so, no, I don't live under any delusion that I can, then, get anyone to leave. FriendFeed is awesome and nothing I say can change that.
- Robert Scoble
At the Boston FriendFeed meetup I was the only one who found Robert Scoble through FriendFeed. Everybody else found FriendFeed through Robert Scoble.
- Bruce Lewis
I found you through FriendFeed and I'm grateful for that!
- Robert Scoble
you could say that that it's a sad sack of going nowhere, now that the team was acquired and told Steve Gillmor like 8 times in the last Gang that a bunch of the best features here were too much for the 300 million nuffnuffs that use Facebook.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
if you wanted to say something about FF not being awesome, that is.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall: oh, you were listening to the latest Gang. There was a LOT of news in that Gang and Steve and I were wondering if anyone would notice.
- Robert Scoble
it was hard to notice with the thick fog of PR bs. mostly seemed like bad news and non-news. would love to know what I missed :)
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
i don't mean to be un-understanding, FB is a huge org with hundreds of millionso f users, billions of $ at stake. i'm sure i'd speak cautiously too
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall: yeah, if I were FriendFeed execs I would speak carefully as well. The transcript comes tomorrow, we'll dig through it and highlight anything really useful in the Gillmor Gang. There were a few things that clarified where they are going a bit.
- Robert Scoble
Transcript? FriendFeed execs? Did an interview happen with Bret, Jim, Paul, Sanjeev?
- Bruce Lewis
AJ: I don't have to do those tricks anymore. Look at all the comments!
- Robert Scoble
Never satisfied. Tell me how much you love FF every waking hour.
- Jason Hill
And, anyway, I understand everyone here knows at least 60 reasons why FriendFeed is awesome, no need to iterate through that list again.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: I miss it though! You're welcome any time. In other news, the world of the Internet is a fascinating place. I wouldn't be anywhere else.
- AJ Kohn
Always here. Like every time I long-on. Robert is infinitely connected. Is it happiness? ... a disease? ... or both?? :)
- Charlie Anzman
So confused... but don't care anymore. Can't we just go back to how it was before? Everyone posts/likes/doesn't do whatever they want.
- Jan Ole Peek
Louis, Robert probably already has a real picture like that somewhere.
- Jesse Stay
Josh, I want the transcript to your video
- Jesse Stay
I enjoy friendfeed sooo much!! I hope it doesn't go anywhere but gets optimized! Great site to make great connections and meet a bunch of awesome people!
- John Tastad
Meanwhile, I'm hard at work on a more serious piece of artwork: a portrait of jamar78 and Michelle Martinez's son. That should be ready by the end of this week, and then I'll show it off to everyone. I still have to get in my daily sketch while I work on larger pieces. Keeps the fingers nimble ^_^ ...
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
from Posterous
wow and amazing, glad to see that the new paper is able to provide new options and show off other skills.
- Harold
My already high regard for your skills just soars now. I had no idea you could cartoon as well.
- Spidra Webster
Thanks, everyone. Spidra, I drew a weekly strip for my high school paper and weekly editorials for my college paper during my final semester.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
BUMP BECAUSE SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING REALLY SIMILAR WITH PHOTOSHOP BUT THEY WERE TWO HOURS LATER THAN ME AND THEY DIDN'T DRAW IT BY HAND </whininess>
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Kamilah, I take offense, I did that with GIMP not Photoshop :) I boycott Adobe products.
- Ed Millard
Ed, my sincere apologies :] Yours is awesome too, btw. You just took it in a different, more immediate direction than I did. Straight for the jugular ;)
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Kamilah, they are complimentary, yours is awesome. Yours is subtle...at least as much as MAN-TITTEH can be subtle. Mine is a sledge hammer. I plead innocence for my indiscretion by reason of being a mindless automaton doing the bidding of Louis Gray. We do all have to do what the early adopters tell us don't we?
- Ed Millard
Unfortunately Louis is programmed to control all automatons (mindless or not), so it's not really your fault, or his. The question remains as to who wrote Louis' code in the first place....
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Can I have one please Kol? scurran24@googlemail.com
- Simon Curran
Simon, sent. 4 more. I guess you guys will have to have for Google to sent out the invites.
- Kol Tregaskes
Can I have one please Kol? uyguremre at gmail.com
- Emre Uyguroglu
It should also be noted, if you guys aren't already aware, that the invites don't immediately appear. It can take anywhere from a couple days to a couple weeks to actually receive your invite after you've been "nominated."
- Curdy G