Ross and Dan made this video to illustrate the advanced technology we use behind the scenes at FriendFeed. (Ross and Dan, you are amazing - I can't believe how awesome this thing turned out)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
How very creative. This is very fluid and cool.
- Louis Gray
OK, not exactly what I was expecting, but very cool.
- Kevin Arth
Anyone have the video somewhere other than Youtube? it's banned here in Turkey and I can't wait until we get home (next month) to watch it!!
- Chris Myles
Bret, this video should be titled: A Love Song for FriendFeed ! Great vid (and music) !
- Ahsan Ali
This is superb. I just showed it to my 5 year old son who enjoys Lego and has already taken some great photos, including one or two of his toys. So now he has the seed of the idea that, in time, he could take multiple stills and put them together to make moving pictures. Thank you very much for posting it and giving me and him that opportunity. Maybe, he might use FriendFeed one day too!
- John W Lewis
I think they need to make a full stop-motion version of the Matrix in legos. Now THAT would be awesome. I wonder what bullet-time looks like in LEGO?
- Bret Taylor
i'd pay to see the stop animation lego matrix, but not the sequels
- patrick
"Equipment Generously Provided By Casey Muller" - hahaha!! THIS IS AWESOMESAUCE!!! I love the creative energy and vibe in this video... LOTS of work went into that one! Thanks guys!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Genius, how much time did that all take?
- Wayne Hornsey
Chris Myles: if you want ot - DM me an address and I'll mail you a copy.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Can you remind me again where to find those stats?
- Brian Johns
Brian, go to "Me" link (http://friendfeed.com/brianjo...) which defaults to the Feed tab. Look at the sidebar on the right, below Discussion.
- Micah
0.75 (926/1226) - still relatively new here
- mikepk
I only see my stats for the last week (17/14 = 1.21) Please tell me your 670 number is for more than just a week!
- Brian Johns
1.44 (566/391) for brianjohns (after week tally you should see a comma then 'all time' count - I can see it on your page)
- Micah
OK, sorry. I'm a total dumbass. I stopped reading after the weekly totals...
- Brian Johns
3.74, which seems way off of everybody else's. I wonder what that says. I comment a lot more than I like.
- Cyrus Lendvay
FFers use FF with their own strategy or simply default tendencies. The ratio is an interesting snapshot of behaviour. Thanks for joining in everyone, hope more keep flowing in.
- Micah
from twhirl
0.66 - I tend to 'like' things without needing to comment further, I guess, and I notice I usually like the things upon which I comment. Well, frequently.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
.39 (2457/6242) I guess I don't comment much. I do 'like' a lot of things, it would seem.
- Bren
0.62 then again i have over 11,000 comments
- Cee Bee
1.23 (5287/4229) - I am put to shame by Cee Bee's participation, good grief!
- Lindsay
So far: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81 ... (if you average 1 comment per like, you'd be 1.0 ... if you're 0.xx you might herd content more than discuss ... if you're whole numbers above 1 you may not 'like' much or discuss plenty or both)
- Micah
InPerpetualMotion(Gina k), I really liked this 'Like' of yours (in a series of pics, so I flickr fav'd it): http://friendfeed.com/e... and commented. Thanks!
- Micah
.68 6986/10194 Someone wrote a great article on the comment-like ratio a few months ago. Search on FriendFeed is crashing on me... I'll try to get the link.
- Mitchell Tsai
Thanks Mitchell (btw, search crashing on me too - lots)
- Micah
1316 comments/20221 likes (0.06), according to Windows Calculator, although I probably screwed up.
- Tyson Key
A recent change in FF: now the comment count shows total number of comments (previously multiple comments in one thread only counted as one) http://friendfeed.com/e... so all the numbers above are from the old methodology....
- David HC Soul
My new ratio: 0.76 all time (old methodology .52).... this week 1.39
- David HC Soul
Looks like my ratio as flipped again (comments back to dominating again). Seems to match my own awareness I've lately been commenting without Liking (commenting is my inherent recognition of value to me and the additional Like is when it merits an extra bump to help discovery by others).
- Micah
Rick, you mean that face with glasses I photoshopped tint into with an apparently disembodied arm which is actually very much attached to my eldest son? It's mostly just me :)
- Micah
Thanks, Michael. Yes, you have a rising tide of comment percentage (oh, wow, you were one of the originals from January - cool!)
- Micah
Yeah, that's a decent upward rise in comments, Nicholas.
- Micah
.6 (6,000/10,000) 3rd update - Now it's time to flip this on its head. My goal is to have (16,000/16,000) next time I post here. Regardless of what happens, I'm just looking forward to the next 10,000 comments, likes, posts, and new relationships I make here. It's all good!
- Michael Fidler
1.76 (7539/4290) My commenting habits haven't chanced much, but it felt like I clicked Like a lot less, and this ratio confirms that for me.
- Micah
.82 as of right now. edit: on January 8th it was 0.39 -- when I saw that, I decided to make more of an effort to comment. When I hit 10k "likes" I decided I wouldn't "like" anything else until I also had 10k comments.
- Bren
Jimminy, I'm copyrighting every single number. It's kind of a honeypot ;) Actually, it was curiosity mostly, but I also hope to build a sampling (small and self-selecting as it may be) for anyone who might want to analyze it.
- Micah
Wow I didn't realize I was so out of whack!! 12.23 that's got to be a record (and I don't even import my feeds with the summary as a comment)!!
- Chris Myles
Thanks JA, Chris (wow, 12+ is unusual :), Serkan and Nine!
- Micah
Micah.. I told you I take my likes seriously; ). You *might* want to ask (in a separate post) what percentage of likes were used to "bookmark" a post or save it for later VS actually "liking it". I NEVER used like for that.. but I did use a private group that if filled with my own topics (and comments)..
- Chris Myles
Likes are down relative to comments, which matches my much lower frequency of liking. I'm a more selective liker than ever.
- Micah
I don't think I could argue that any particular kind of ratio is "best", because if Lurkers like to Lurk and cultivate (via Likes) and the Chatty-ites love to chat, to pump out much many more comments than Likes, each can be happy and make for a great social experience.
- Micah
wow, what a difference time makes, when i 1st posted on this thread, 6.43%, now = 1.25%, for a 5.18% difference, :o (and this is the earliest post to date i've recovered of my activity on ff)
- chaz2b
chaz, I think there's been a big fluctuation for most people (maybe not that much). This is the oldest post on which you commented that you've recovered?
- Micah
that was my third post... It's interesting to see how the number has changed. of course, I manipulated the number to a degree, because I stopped "liking" things for a while...
- Bren
Bren, the other thing that can seriously throw off someone's stats is a feed that upon each item it imports adds a comment automatically.
- Micah
true. that can seriously inflate comment stats, of course. Then you have someone like RAPatton, who posts a gazillion comments, in part because of his playlist posts where he will list each song in a separate comment. I found, after this post in fact, that I tended to "like" things much more frequently than comment on them, that I was lurking instead of participating. I have changed the way I use ff rather considerably, and I think for the better.
- Bren
In 4 days it will be 1 year since my first recorded stat here. My comments/like were almost a 1:1 ratio then. Now comments are almost double likes for me.
- Micah
75,415 comments/1,286 likes = 58.64 - i wish the auto inserted comments didn't get counted... the true number is probably much much close ot my number of likes
- Chris Heath
1.97%. thanks again micah, this has been a great metric to measure my first year here on ff. As the year went (this being the first record of me being here that i've found): , 6.43%:1.25%:1.97%
- chaz2b
Chris, Bren, thank you. And chaz2b, thank you too - glad it's a special marker for you. :)
- Micah
63.58 (97,534/1,534) -- interesting that my last three digits are the same there, eh? (note, i already posted a month or two ago when i first saw this thread)
- Chris Heath
Last year my comments were around 7000 and likes around 2500, for a ratio of 2.80. I consciously chose to do more liking over the last year. As of today my comments number 10,782 and likes number 7,666, for a ratio of 1.41.
- Stephen Mack
Jason, Stephen - cool. Thanks for keeping updated here. :)
- Micah
Okay, Micah. <----I had to resist the urge not to post that because I know it's going to up my comment count. ;)
- Jenny R
But how many of those primordial, high interest posts are still active. Uh huh. :)
- Micah
Thanks, Morton. BTW, when you posted in February, it was exactly 0.13 also.
- Micah
Jenny, resistance is futile; embrace the rising tide of comments.
- Micah
Comments are more difficult and time consuming than Likes. I'd be happy about a high comment:likes ratio except that many are surely imported from feeds, while every Like is manual.
- Mike Chelen
it has changed to 2.2256 now as Sep, 6 2010.Labor Day. :) I added the date for future references.
- ۳۰ مرغ Loves Y'ALLLLL
I had exactly a 2:1 ratio as previously reported [Aug 30, '09], now I am at: 1.7241:1 ratio. 6,067 comments to 3,519 likes.
- The Ghost of Library Past
Two years later and my ratio has climbed from 3.4 to 4.675. I've got a lot to say, apparently.
- Kevin Fox
Funnily, I didn't notice until after leaving that comment that when I reported my stat in 2009 I also followed it up with "I've got stuff to say." I didn't say it was *new* stuff...
- Kevin Fox
2.91; 6.43% (@ 2yrs ago) 2.33% (@ 1yr ago). for history's sake, this thread was started shortly after i found friendfeed, or friendfeed found me, so it holds a special place in my heart. thanks for keeping it around mr micah
- chaz2b
You're certainly welcome, chaz2b. In some way it feels like a living heirloom to me. :)
- Micah
3 (2.991) (and now the list has become too lengthy for me to track my progress, ;) [dumb me, i have a post not 10 lines ago in history, from 090711 2.91; 6.43% (@ 2yrs ago) 2.33% (@ 1yr ago) ;) ]
- chaz2b
Now you're just getting lazy with your scripts!
- Mike Nayyar
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- Tinfoil 2.0
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- Tinfoil 2.0
So it's since Tuesday huh? The ultimate thread. How will the thread die then? We must have a limit for that, let's say 24h without one comment.
- Zu from AOD
As a side note, I do have to applaud the endurance and pettiness of those of us on FriendFeed. No one on Facebook gave this status update a second look!
- Mike Nayyar
We pride ourselves in our pettiness and obsessiveness. Um, wait.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Remember. It's not whole Scoble likes. It's who likes Scoble.
- Akiva
According to FriendFeed, that's everyone. And some Twitter marketers and SEO experts.
- Mike Nayyar
Mike will get in the last word. Eventually. Everyone else is an idiot for playing his little game. Me included. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm not actually playing. Or, if I am, I'm playing to lose.
- Akiva
HAHA! You see that? Robert Scoble acknowledges I will eventually win! HAHA! FINALLY! For once in my life, I win! :) :) :) :) Unless Logical shows up...
- Mike Nayyar
Only mostly dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
- Tinfoil 2.0
We're testing the limit on the number of comments.
- DGentry
Nah, the FFundercats live chat pushed that one way over the top. We are, however, testing the limits oh how sick people are getting of setting my face.
- Mike Nayyar
This thread has a lot of comments, that must mean Mike is an expert of some kind...or maybe an A-Lister. Must stalk^H^H^H^H^Hinvestigate him...
- Rah-PM 2012
Olympus too? Good thing Logical doesn't know any Japanese mythological figures.
- Mike Nayyar
All right, if you're going to play that way, Raijin AND Ajisukitakahikone are BOTH mad at you. And Raijin was especially unhappy because you interrupted his NOMmage of children's bellybuttons.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Dude, my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Raijin put down the platter.
- Tinfoil 2.0
We'd be content, of course, if you (Mike) issued a public retraction of the assertion in your post, followed by allowing someone else to post the last comment in the thread ;-)
- Tinfoil 2.0
805 comments!! I'm afraid to click on the more link....
- Jeff P. Henderson
Nicholas, as long as it's not Mike, it's irrelevant.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I'm sad that Logical saw this Facebook status.
- Mike Nayyar
You know at some point, expanding this comment will really put a strain on mortal browsers. It already has a 3 second pause to expand it.
- Mark Philpot
I wonder if at some point we will hit a soft limit and FF won't let it keep going. That or they look at this as a great high-bounds test case for the system.
- Sparky, lurking
Great experiment there, I'm somewhat scared opening the thread here. Funny thing, Even the explosion of words spawned through this, making it a wordle madness. http://www.wordle.net/gallery...
- Zu from AOD
I'm scared to expand the comment thread :)
- Roberto Bonini
There are few computers with the processing power capable of handling the comments in this thread. Except for, you know, quantum computers.
- Mike Nayyar
from iPhone
i'm afraid to click on the link to see all comments. so i'm just typing this so another guy (or gal) can read it and comment to make this comment disappear.
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
If anyone gets these emails in their gmail and got sick and tired of them like me, just press 'm' to mute the conversation (if you have keyboard shortcuts enabled) (haha i got the last word)
- Daniel Morgan
No you just don't know I posted this.
- John D Reasor
cant the person that started this block the comments now? and thereby win.
- Morgan
If you can get buddy buddy with mike and figure out his schedule, you can prevent him from stopping the comments because you'll always be able to get the last word in. We must prevail for great justice!
- Jonathan Hardesty
That would be cheating, and he knows it :)
- Tinfoil 2.0
That's how the FriendFeed Mob rolls. :-D
- Steven Perez
from IM
you didn't disable the comments yet? you could comment and then do it and then you really would get the last word. but then again, that's cheating. and cheaters never prosper.
- Trish Haley
You're not supposed to make sense of it. It exits only as an opaque, monolithic data structure that is constantly being updated and evolving. ;)
- Tyson Key
Attempting to parse it in a manner that is not approved by FriendFeed, Inc may result in disruption of the space-time continuum, and a series of Bad Things(R) occurring.
- Tyson Key
not only does it make julian fries, but it slices and dices in in seconds. ORDER NOW and you'll get this special gift ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!!!!11!!1ONE!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from email
this is the thread that doesn't end, yes it goes on and on my friend, Mike started it not knowing what it was, and it'll keep on going no matter what just because this is the thread that doesn't end, yes it goes on and on my friend, Mike started it.....
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
from IM
welcome back my friends, to the thread that never ends, we're so glad you could attend, step inside, step inside.
- Mike Nencetti
MISSILES FOR ALL! Gun control is for unarmed wussies! Blow away comment limits! Damn the torpedoes! FULL STEAM AHEAD!!!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from email
Test conducted to see how long this can last.
- Ashish
it'll never die, with all the wireless cards out there transmitting this, it'll reach alpha centuari in about 300 years.
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
from IM
It's not because I'm a person who wants to have the last word, but just because you people keep me reminding that there are others that do want that very badly, that causes me to comment here once again. HI! I'M BETTER THAN MIKE NAYYAR!!!!!!! LOSER! :-)
- Ton Zijp
This IS the time and place to announce a gathering of the societal beginnings of the intrepid adventures of... Wait... sorry, this isn't the place? Oh, okay, I'll go back home then.
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
I was able to expand this thread on my Droid incredible, and post this comment at the end. Nice test of Dolphin HD browser.(edit - I use the default FF web page.)
- Mike Nencetti
from Android
If I get the last word in, will I get .LAG's World Series tix???
- Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™
It's been a while, Mr. LastWordThreat. I did some good things these recent months. Care to share some of your insights while you were on that trip? TLDR. 8) (2K+ comments is massive hehe, we're getting to your second b-day)
- Zu from AOD
All I want for Christmas are my two front teef.
- Mike Nayyar
Eventually, you will win. Because you're not married to this thread. But if you ever marry...your trend of always getting the last word will end. Painfully.
- Bubba Botts
This thread must go away!!! What if it kills FF!?
- SAM
this thread could go away right now. but you people keep posting comments...wait....didn't I just do the same thing? OK, nevermind. Long live this Thread!!!!
- Morgan
I heard Nayyar had to get in the The Last Word, always. I talked to the casting director, and Mike Nayyar got the lead in The Last Word.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
this is the last one -------------->>> WORD!
- .LAG liked that
Every middle brings another middle. When the world ends, will this comment be toward the end of the thread, or toward the beginning?
- John E. Bredehoft
You guys!!! This post will forever break FF if we're not careful.
- SAM
Yeah, we should all totally stop bumping this post.
- Slippy
I'm surprised Friendfeed can still expand this thread.
- Morton Fox
OMG, doesn't even want to image what would happen if Nayyar tried to use #fftop20. Actually I kind of do, but I bet it would be slow. Scores would be off the charts though.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Probably still under 9000, people should try harder.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
WOW. Open Chrome, go to chrome://settings/passwords, select an account, click "Show Password". BOOM! Anyone who can access your computer can see your saved passwords.
Can't you do that in any browser? I seem to remember it being really easy to access the list of stored passwords in Firefox, as well. This is part of the reason I never bother letting my browser store my passwords.
- Curdy G
On Firefox you can set a master password.
- AJ Batac :)
yes, you can. and few ppl set a master password.
- Joe The Sausage
Does that make sense to you Morton? It's very simple to steal a computer. Should that open up everything or would it be more sensible to have a deeper depth of security?
- Todd Hoff
Thanks for posting this. Not terribly secure, IMO. Good to double check what you've saved. (I'm ok with little forums and things being saved, but not
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Micah, for me it isn't an issue of remembering the password but not wanting to type it so often.
- Skyler Call
I think it's a serious issue Google needs to take on Chrome. I found usernames/passwords as old as 2 years old maybe because I've used Google sync.
- AJ Batac :)
I don't see any saved passwords in my 2.x year-old Chrome :D
- Lysender
You didn't use save password features.
- AJ Batac :)
You shouldn't use the save password feature built into browsers anyway. Even if it's encrypted then the encryption must be reversible, and the key must be stored on your computer. It's never been safe. They should just remove the feature imo.
- xero
It sure wouldn't be safer if we were to have left him alone.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
He was an intelligent enemy. Not many other terrorists are as intelligent as him
- ؛ patrick
Right, Josh, letting Al Qaeda run operations unencumbered would not make us safer at all, but getting Bin Laden is a check box on a to do list and doesn't really encumber Al Qaedas operations at all. It's more a symbolic success than anything else.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from YouFeed
Symbolism is pretty darn important in war.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Short term, things are more dangerous as individuals and groups plan retribution. Long-term, things are possibly the same, possibly more dangerous if bin Laden becomes the Che Guevara of the 21st century.
- John E. Bredehoft
In a world where everyone becomes motivated by the desire for retribution, the only ones who are safe are the dead.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
"I think the big reason that we're starting to compare Google & Android to Microsoft & Windows is the way that Google has so quickly moved to provide a platform for the masses (of manufacturers, and people in general) - While Google isn't putting the stranglehold on the manufacturers that Microsoft has, they have assured dominance through sheer numbers as Microsoft did. Apple may be the incumbent, but everyone sees the writing on the wall. Apple, once upon a time, could have gone down the road that produced hardware & software, and allowed other companies to clone hardware and license software. Microsoft chose more of that route, and dominated the market. Apple has made the same types of choices in the mobile marketplace as in the pc market, and Google will reap the rewards. You've hit the nail on the head in the last paragraph though, Louis. The beauty of this market battle is that we have much more evenly matched players. And, no matter which "wins" we are all better off than we were..."
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
"I think the big reason that we're starting to compare Google & Android to Microsoft & Windows is the way that Google has so quickly moved to provide a platform for the masses (of manufacturers, and people in general) - While Google isn't putting the stranglehold on the manufacturers that Microsoft has, they have assured dominance through sheer numbers as Microsoft did. Apple may be the incumbent, but everyone sees the writing on the wall. Apple, once upon a time, could have gone down the road that produced hardware & software, and allowed other companies to clone hardware and license software. Microsoft chose more of that route, and dominated the market. Apple has made the same types of choices in the mobile marketplace as in the pc market, and Google will reap the rewards. You've hit the nail on the head in the last paragraph though, Louis. The beauty of this market battle is that we have much more evenly matched players. And, no matter which "wins" we are all better off than we were..."
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
jnman, google's translation service has it's limitations. I don't know what is different about that particular comment, though. This is anecdotal, but I would roughly estimate that 20% of the posts I've tried google translate responds with at least some null translation results.
- Micah
Thank you Micah! Josh just showed me how to do it. I didn't know you had to open an individual post by clicking the time. I'm tech challenged. :)
- Trish Haley
Trish, thank you for the honesty. Ahhhh, _documentation_ so often an afterthought *scolds self*. Actually, if someone wants to pitch in help make a tutorial, please let me know. I'm working on a full set of pre-loaded configurations for each support translation language ~ maybe it will get released tonight (hard not to be in all the great conversations, though - that's the rub :D
- Micah
Thanks, chrisofspades. I've been meaning to ask how the activity on ffThreadKiller is lately? If ya-all haven't checked it out yet head over to http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah
Micah - tried out the bookmarklet on safari :))) Awesome. interesting how much better the translation is that the google.com/translate .(google.com version doesn't seem to do transliterated text. - the version your script accesses is getting a fair amount of it.)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
activity waned. and I've been waffling on some back-end decisions that's preventing me from updating it.
- chrisofspades
from email
Rob, cool. That's an interesting comparison.
- Micah
chrisofspades, yeah, I guess for a lot of people the statistic is interesting initially, but doesn't have legs. Have you considered expanding what statistics it gathers? You've already worked out how it spiders, what other calculations are feasible? I've seen a lot of requests for date range searching. Maybe some slice of data related to the timestamp.
- Micah
date range searching would be sweet chrisofspades! if there's anything I can do to help please let me know! test maybe?
- metalerik
Yes, apparently this is possible. Also, for iPhone Users outside the US, I notice that only one Google Voice app is available, as of, today in the App Store (this refers to the Ireland store but I presumes applies elsewhere in the EU and perhaps further afield too): VoiceCentral. Because none of the other (Google Voice) apps are available in the App Store I have a faint suspicion that VoiceCentral might just have been placed in a non US app store by mistake. So if you're non resident in the US, feel like using a proxy to set up your GV account, are an iPhone user and don't mind a couple of Euro punt on this app then, if I were you, I'd pile into the AppStore and get me a copy of VoiceCentral before its pulled by Apple. Enjoy and remember, if it doesn't work, don't blame me. For the record I've downloaded myself a copy but haven't yet attempted to try to set up a GoogleVoice account, I haven't even got an invite yet (There's a hint in there: if anyone can advise me, or help, on how to get a GV invitation I'd be very thankful for your help)
- JSLeFanu
from Bookmarklet
I set up a Google Voice account from Germany this weekend. I had to screen-share with a US colleague to get the initial registration done, afterward I used localphone.com to redirect calls. Voice Central works flawlessly.
- Lars Trieloff
Lars, thanks a million for the heads up on that. At least now I know another part of the picture for getting this done. I'm pretty jazzed at the thought of getting this set up. I'll report back on how I get on. Now to get one of those invites.
- JSLeFanu
How can Robert Nelson's public-knowledge reminder to rely on unnamed US-proxies to set it up, along with his fine print[*], be considered anywhere near useful? Lars Trieloff sez that "Voice Central works flawlessly," but what's the value of potentially-critical service which one can never know how long it may last? [^*] "fine print: if you choose to go this route only to have Google...
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- ianf ⌘
I did setup my Google Voice account using Hotspot Shield and forward all call to my sipgate.com number and I have a truphone.com US number that I linked. and I use my BlackBerry to control Google Voice and send/receive SMS
- zsafwan
This is purely academic enquiry in my part, but how many discrete steps were required (each moment of entering a site, navigating to a specific page, filling/ entering username/ password in a form, submitting/ registering, etc, counts as one step) for you to complete the GV registration, including any previous regs you now merely invoked in order to set it up? 100? 200 discrete steps? I wonder…
- ianf ⌘
ianf, I'm not very far down the road with this so I can't offer any real response to the issues you raise. I made the original post because I happened upon this article the same morning I spotted this GoogleVoice app in the Ireland App Store. Normally Apple don't stock apps for services not supported in the market of any given app store. SO for those of a "hacky" mindset I thought I'd just put the word out and attach the necessary caveats. I'm as interested as you are in the responses to your post.
- JSLeFanu
David, I'm not questioning any decisions any of you above may have made, I am merely trying to clarify certain usually-unmentioned things as much for others' sake, as for my own. I have not attempted this unofficial GV setup, and probably won't, because I have other, analogous experiences of past "bypass-ordinary-channel" services similar to that which seldom worked in the long run....
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- ianf ⌘
you can get a free SIP phone number from here sipgate.com
- zsafwan
Well I got my GoogleVoice invite today. Hooray! Hooray again that I grabbed that VoiceCentral app before it was pulled. Boo, I'm still not sure if I can get this to work in a practical way. I'm with a VOIP provider in Ireland and my package includes limitless free to the states, among numerous other places, but I haven't yet worked out the way, if any, I can get to use the GoogleVoice...
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- JSLeFanu
Ok, I give in. I'm now with ianf ⌘ on this whole gig. I can't tell anyone if GoogleVoice hacking is worth the trouble or not because I've got nowhere near getting registered. I tried the SipGate route. I made several attempts to fill out their online form but at the bottom of the page the CAPTCHA text wouldn't render. Of course I was using a Proxy, several different ones to register so...
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- JSLeFanu
But an invite is required... so...? Proxy is easy, just ssh into your US webhost.
- Paul Grav
Paul, thanks, I have the invite already and I got it using a proxy, that bit was easy. I only have the haziest notion of what ssh means so I'll postpone attempting that until my understanding catches up a bit. I suppose its possible that in practice the process "can" be as easy as Gadgetell portray, its just that in my experience it isn't. Maybe it would be a breeze if I knew more about this "ssh-ing" but I don't and Gadgetell didn't suggest any competence in ssh-ing" was needed.
- JSLeFanu
Well, if you have a webhost in the US, just open a terminal and type: ssh -D 1080 mywebhost.com Then fire up Firefox and change the socks host to 127.0.0.1 and 1080 for the port. Lifehacker has a more complete guide: http://lifehacker.com/237227...
- Paul Grav
from IM
What about the fact that international numbers are not accepted? I'm in Canada, and yeah, I had no problem signing up, proxy-style. However, it won't allow me to route my calls to my area code. I foolishly accepted a number in an outside area code (American) close to my locale, and now I'm stuck giving it a routing number that it won't accept. I think I should have waited and done it...
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- timedalkat
Paul, thanks for the tip, I really appreciate the info. I actually don't, yet, know how to do any of that. I'm posting from the phone at the moment but I'll be sure to check out the lifehacker link you provided when I'm back at the Mac. I might leave it a day or two to give myself a break because I got a bit pissed off with the whole process today and perhaps need a bit of a breather....
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- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
timedalcat, you raise a good point and one that's already crossed my mind. Sorry to say I can't, yet, help you on this one. I'm not even close to being that far through the process yet myself and consider such concerns an extravagant luxury at this stage . My own local Irish number is with an Irish Sip service but I haven't even worked out how to configure GV (assuming I even make it...
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- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
The article is crap, it basically tells you to setup a proxy but that alone isn't sufficient to setup a Google Voice account. During the setup you select a Google Voice number but you need to forward calls to your own phone, which will inevitably have an international number and only US numbers are supported.
- Paul Grav
I would think the simple way to get around any US IP address requirements would be to have someone in the US setup a TOR hidden service that points to the GV registration. It wouldn't have the same kinds of limitations as typical proxies. (I'm not the Robert Nelson of the article btw)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'd be interested to know whether anyone has tried this particular method. I'm poised to give it a go, the main thing holding me back is that I haven't got my head around the possible routing costs. I know I need a US number, I suppose I could link one to my Skype account. That cost is easy to calculate. I also have an Irish geographical VOIP SIP number already and one Mobile (or cell)...
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- JSLeFanu
BTW, for anyone interested I eventually managed to set this up. Whether it's worth it or not is a different matter entirely.
- JSLeFanu
Don't think it works on my 8707- "This application requires the following modules, which are not installed: net_rim_bbapi_stringpattern and net_rim_xml_org" :(
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
"The title says it all, Louis. Results are what matter. We spend so much time focusing on, and debating the value of the tools that we sometimes forget that what we're really interested in is sharing information."
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
"The title says it all, Louis. Results are what matter. We spend so much time focusing on, and debating the value of the tools that we sometimes forget that what we're really interested in is sharing information."
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
"The title says it all, Louis. Results are what matter. We spend so much time focusing on, and debating the value of the tools that we sometimes forget that what we're really interested in is sharing information."
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
VOTE: Twitter is well supported on FriendFeed (with replying to and pushing posts to it, etc.) but name one other microblogging service you would like supported in a similar way?
Richard, I'm utterly frustrated I can't complete the Gravity buying process.. :(
- embee
Embee? How come? Worked fine for me, first try and it worked :-)
- Richard A.
I think a lot of people are after identi.ca support.
- Kol Tregaskes
Supporting the Open Micro Blogging spec (despite its flaws) would be a better approach. They'd only have to do it once and all the other microblogs (bloggy, qaiku, jaiku, rejaw, status.net, etc) would be supported
- Adewale Oshineye
Actually I agree. Plurk would be nice to have here :-)
- Richard A.
Google Reader shared items. Yeah, it's a wild deam, but why not dream? And it may appeal to Google as a way to promote its comment feature.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
FF is an aggregator of feed. i like all the input, not the output. ok for the reply to (twitter) but the link at FF is useless.
- Felter Roberto
name one? that be email, Blogger, Facebook, Ping.fm, Plurk ...http://helloTxt.com are good guys .. so is http://Identi.ca, http://youAre.com .. check out also http://flokio.com /////////////// now, mouseover box might be customizeable too ..// and, as said before, users should have all feeds listed at the top, or selectable 5, and also, groups should have these all service feeds listed ....
- pb:
Identica, especialy federated instals like twitarmy. Please please
- Christian Burns
I too would like to see proper ping.fm support -by proper I mean that when I have ping post to mutiple services, somehow FF should "know" that I've done this, and not post a zillion items (esp back out to twitter) as they come back in from the various services. Make sense?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from Friend Deck
I'd also like to see outbound push to Facebook. That would be very cool in my book :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from Friend Deck
Identi.ca - it should be easy since it's using the same API with Twitter
- LouCypher
Yes, identi.ca. And please support groups as well and not just hashtags.
- Lennart Olsen
No way would I invest engineering resources in another specific service at this point. Some general functionality to push updates out via webhooks or push to any Twitter compatible API, sure. Another specific service? Nope.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, what if the service were as big as Facebook (see guruvan's suggestion). Something that big might justify some expenditure of resources. And what if other, smaller companies paid FriendFeed to implement outbound links to their services?
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Identi.ca please! I'd like the same options for Identi.ca in my account settings that we have for Twitter.
- Paul Wade
It would be very cool if laconica based sites were supported, and could be registered with FF easily so there was a minimum of work (after the first one) for FriendFeed staff to support additional sites. Maybe they need to meet a few non-technical criteria, and be manually approved. This would go a long way (IMO) in popularizing Open Source microblogging, and lessen the hold that Twitter currently has. Would be really cool if I could set up to post out to whatever (microblogs) that didn't post in, plus FB
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Identi.ca. Ping.fm (see Emsquared above) would be nice, too, but is probably not as important as Identi.ca.
- dgw
Cannot remove 'Service' in my settings page. I removed Twitter service 2 days ago but it still pushes tweets to my feed and comments to Twitter. Anyone found a way to update 'Services' settings without deleting an account?
(I already posted a bug report via Contact page)
- NaHi
I tried removing my twitter without luck as well.
- Pavan
Isn't it a critical problem? Still no sign to repair...
- NaHi
13 days later, change of services setting seems to be applied.
- NaHi
bump. I still have at least one RSS feed that's been pulled and is still running.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I have the same problem. Any news about that?
- Gianluigi Negro
I can not remove my twitter service, even if is not in "my services" anymore it is still working :(
- Gianluigi Negro
I'm sorry Mr NaHi. last time i never comunication wilt you. but really still need your NaHi's feed. thank for all Mr
- SAHROI
I have the same problem, I removed Twitter and two RSS feeds more than two weeks ago. They are gone from the profile page, but the RSS feeds and Twitter feed continue to publish. After a couple of weeks they stopped published for a couple of days but then they came back on their own. Any ideas for fixes or at least workarounds?
- 1001 noisy cameras
Call me a fanboy. Say I drink the Kool-Aid. Whatever. I know what I see, and I see awesome products coming from Apple, and the competition scrambling to catch up. Sure, your Android phone is great, but it's where my iPhone 3GS was last year.
I can be as objective as anyone else, but I know the experience I have my iPhone and MacBook on a day to day basis is better than anything I ever experienced on a Windows computer, Motorola smartphone, Blackberry or any MP3 player.
- Mike Nayyar
I love my iPhone too, but the HTC Incredible is a damn good phone, and you have more freedom with Android as opposed to the iPhone OS (wifi hotspot hosting, multitasking, apps that aren't restricted from the 3G network, etc).
- Peter Ghosh
I have seen nothing compelling about an iPhone enough for me to go buy one. My Blackberry does everything that I need a phone to do and it does it rock solid, day in and day out.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I agree 100%. Very happy with my iPhone and I see no reason to switch.
- Jason Hill
And my Palm WebOS is where iPhone 4G will be next year. ;)
- JCunwired
@Peter I don't discount Android as a capable phone OS in the slightest, but the end to end experience is too uneven, especially given the issues with Google pushing out significant updates through carriers. @unwired WebOS is pretty good, but any potential it has is neutered by the dummies who ran Palm. If there was anything that could have made me switch, it would have been a killer Palm device. Now, it's a pretty big question.
- Mike Nayyar
I'd probably still be using an iPhone if AT&T didn't suck so bad here. *shrug*
- Rodfather
Well, shit. Kevin Rose just proved my point in the first 5 minutes of Diggnation.
- Mike Nayyar
Nup, iPhone's playing catch-up, ie. Multi-tasking.
- Mo Kargas
Multitasking on a mobile device is nice, but not necessary.
- Mike Nayyar
But Mike, people NEED to multitask while they drive: music, maps, SMS, Twitter, search, catch up on the news,...
- Tinfoil 2.0
A radio in a car isn't necessary either. *shrug*
- Mo Kargas
Oh yes it is! So I can play my tunes on it using my iPhone!!! ;-)
- Vicarbott
Exactly, though it's not "neccesary" to the operation of the car, using Nayyar's logic. Ie, if there's a feature on another platform that's not on the iPhone, fanboi's say it's not "neccesary", then say nothing when it finally arrives :)
- Mo Kargas
Your day to day experience may be so, but consider the possibility that is not true for everyone. One of the top factors for me in a phone is a fast keyboard. I'd shoot myself if I had an iphone. I realize that makes me an unusual consumer, but what about ipods? Your macbook may beat my mp3 player, but I doubt any ipod would, and it seems like the higher price for them is to pay for the...
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- Lo the Baker
Congratulations, you fit the profile that it was designed for. Me, on the other hand...I need to carry a spare battery so when I'm at a conference all day, I can switch it out. I need to carry extra SD cards so I can access all my data whether or not I can get a data signal. I need to easily drag and drop files from the storage on my phone without syncing to anything or giving Apple my...
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- Mr. Gunn
Mr. Gunn said it all rather perfectly. There's no one size fits all.
- Vaughn
from BuddyFeed
Your iPhone 3GS will be where my Nexus One is when it's upgraded this summer. By then, I'll have an upgrade, and the iPhone will still be playing catch up. +100 for Mr. Gunn :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Oh ho ho ho. Now you gone and done it. Ahem. Notice in my posts, I have never, not once, mentioned anything about "profiles" or "needs". It is indeed possible for the iPhone to not meet you needs. This is fine, there are niche applications which can only be accomplished on a given platform. If I'm "average" for desiring a crisp, usable experience on my ubiquitous, ever present device...
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- Mike Nayyar
I do, but I also like the iPhone/iPad, just not to the extent to auto-poop on other platforms.
- Mo Kargas
Excellent is a value judgment. Give me something less shiny that doesn't put up artificial barriers between the device and other devices and I'm happier. As far as developers go, there's going to be developers who are happy being Apple sharecroppers on the Apple version of the web and bully for them. Everybody's gotta pay the bills. The open frontier remains the web and that's a lure...
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- Mr. Gunn
I won't comment on 20 years from now, since the paradigms of how we interact and use the web will be vastly different from what Apple, Google or Microsoft is laying out for us to use today. I will point out that while Apple does offer a (yes, closed) ecosystem to operate within, they DO also provide the best in market web browser, and, make the same underlying base for that browser...
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- Mike Nayyar
There is a reason they make different types of Fleshlight adaptors. Whatever works, use. What might feel good for you might make take someone else twice as long to curl the toes. What works for them might take you 10 seconds or take so long, you're raw... In the end, you're all just humping a plastic hole in a torch. Whatever works
- Johnny
Dear god, I want to disable comments just so that's the last one to show up...
- Mike Nayyar
GITRDUN ;) (p.s. Mike, I love my iPhone. it's a super cool phone. My Nexus One is a super little computer. They're different tools. The N1 goes everywhere. The iPhone stays somewhat neglected, but still loved)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
most shows only produce 13-20 episodes per season. I'm pretty sure there's only 2 seasons in TV. either way there's a lot of weeks without shows.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thank goodness it's delayed here and we get them week after week. That would drive me potty not knowing when the next episode is coming.
- Kol Tregaskes
And sometimes before they continue the series after a break, they'll repeat a few episodes.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Network shows are usually 22 eps a season by now, though that standard is slowly eroding. US cable shows are more like 6-13, usually 13. While TV ratings are gathered every day, the really widespread ratings are only gathered during 'sweeps' periods in Nov, Feb, and May. Thus, networks tend to hold new episodes for those ~12 weeks, which leaves about 10 new episodes for the entire rest of the traditional late Sept to May TV season.
- Andrew C (✓)
Email notification seems to be working fairly well over the last few hours. Whatever Paul, Brett, Kevin and the rest of the team are up to today ... it's workin!
yeah the email notifications being messed up was really hampering my ability to participate in conversations/discussions on ff -- but now i'm all happy and stuff -- i was thinking about complaining about it but i'm not really a whiner
- Chris Heath
Email notification is not working for me :(
- Harish
I just got many email notifications overnight - kind of like how the search/saved searches are working for some people (slow, but working) and not at all for others (like Kol)
- Chris Heath
email notification might be delayed a bit, but for me most email notifications come in fairly promptly
- Chris Heath