I think 99.9% of the things calling themselves "REST APIs" don't adhere to these rules around hypermedia. Most declare a URI hierarchy and expect clients to understand it a priori. - Gabe Wachob
Dare, the conversation on the Open Web Discussion group is that this is not intended to be a standards group. Now, these guys have swallowed the standards are too heavyweight pill (just as developers have their favorite software-engineering-is-bad-waterfall meme). - Dennis E. Hamilton
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I'm confused as to how they can claim to be about incubating and ipr of technology specifications for the Web but aren't a "standards" group. Technically the W3C isn't a standards group either, nor is the IETF. That doesn't change the fact that their specifications are intended to be standards, otherwise what is the point? - Dare Obasanjo
... the IETF has to accept and charter the work, and there is work that is out of scope for them. WebDAV is the borderline example that has always had them nervous. In any case, my sense of OpenWeb is creating guidance for managing IP issues in development of community specifications of any sort, and also incubating some specification efforts. The idea is that movement to someone's standard track is later. There may be some naivety, and there are people attracted to this who have different desires for it, but I think the basic activity can be useful. We'll see how well they can stick to it as they work through the additional formation work. - Dennis E. Hamilton
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Dare: I think they mean formally-established standards organizations. Let's back up and agree that a specification is not a standard, the IETF definition of a standard is far better. But this is for forming open, community-developed specifications that are safe for people to implement in terms of any IP of the contributors in the specification. They mean not standard in the way NTFS is not a standard, but what it would be like if the NTFS spec were under the Open Specification Promise. OK? - Dennis E. Hamilton
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Before you argue that NTFS is a kind of standard (and I agree), it is not because of its specification. A better example would be something like FrontPage Extensions. - Dennis E. Hamilton
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There is a comment icon on the top right of each post. I can see how it is easy to miss. :) - Dare Obasanjo
But more than process-adverse, they are concerned about each one of these efforts having to go through all the process-creation activities in order to get past the five buddies with an idea about a protocol stage. We'll see how well that dance goes. - Dennis E. Hamilton
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Nothing you've said explains why the IETF is not a good fit and it already has done all the hard work with regards to figuring out IPR policy, etc. - Dare Obasanjo
separate subject ... what will ipr be in five years? - Gregory Lent
The question is whether or not the IETF accepts a project. It is more than submitting an IETF draft and having a mailing list. Check with the Atom folk on what they needed to do before they were an IETF project. And the IETF process structure is fairly rigorous for standards-track work. Now, the IETF process is my favorite, especially with regard to the open-ness and availability to public participation, transparency, etc. (I lobbied for Atom to go there, for example.) But back up to the stage when there was only Atom 0.3. I think the Open Web Foundation is interested in smoothing that stage, not the next one. Maybe it will be mini-IETF in form. That's my take on what they are after. Let's see if it works out the way the convenors envision it. - Dennis E. Hamilton
Gregory: I don't understand the question. And you probably need to be specific about the IPR you have in mind. - Dennis E. Hamilton
From where I sit the process for getting acceptance into the IETF seems to be more objective than the "if you're David Recordon's homeboy" policy that seems to be getting applied at http://groups.google.com/group... . I'm perplexed by the notion that these people want to define technology specifications that everyone from small Web shops to multibillion dollar companies should implement but going through some project justification is too much work so they created OWF - Dare Obasanjo
The web is layered. It may be that each layer needs a standardization process that is optimized for the type of technologies, usage patterns, developers, etc. prevalent in that layer. - scott anderson
Heh. Many people involved with the OWF are also happy IETF supporters and contributors, and I definitely don't expect that to change! Worth noting though that the IETF also sets standards for their standards, which is a *great thing*, but many works weren't written according to those standards, yet they still need IPR frameworks and an incubation process. - DeWitt Clinton
The OWF is intended to catch the specs that *don't* go to standards bodies, at least not yet. For whatever reason many specs are slipping through the cracks, and we're wasting tremendous time and energy creating one-off foundations to (partly) catch them. Don't overlook, Dare, that some of your colleagues are also supporting this, because you guys are also downsteam of those specs. : ) - DeWitt Clinton
Love to see you get involved with this, Dare. I'd especially love to see you get involved and start participating *before* writing vitriolic posts skewering the intent. If you gave it a chance you might even agree that it is useful. : ) - DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt states it right. There's no reason a group of people who wish to write a spec should submit to a "goodness review" or pay money before they can work within the confines of a well understood, well documented IPR policy and process. One of the main reasons these one-foundations are being started is because of IPR concerns. Standards bodies like the IETF are way too slow for the interested parties at the stage they are at (usually very early on), and OASIS's (very low) fees are still too much friction. - Gabe Wachob
I don't understand the "standards body" distinction. IETF and W3C aren't standards bodies, like say ISO. They provide a home for authoring technical specs and dealing with IPR issues. It seems OWF wants to do the same thing and is somehow trying to pretend it is a different class of organization. Sounds like FUD to me. It seems dumb to create yet another standards organization but if the technical specs are good, what do I care? - Dare Obasanjo
But I'm going to stop responding now. I'd like to have a meaningful dialog, but you keep trying to deliberately provoke by saying insulting things, like "FUD", "dumb", "trying to pretend." I'm sorry if you don't like it, Dare. But there are some decent people involved with the OWF, and we're trying to do a good thing here and solve some real problems -- we deserve better than to be insulted. - DeWitt Clinton
I guess I haven't kept up, there was a time the W3C was explicit about not being a standards body (hence their specs are called "recommendations"). Times change. Anyway, the original point still remains that there is already an organization that meets the needs of the folks who have created OWF. It seems unnecessary to create a dueling organization which takes resources from others. - Dare Obasanjo
Perhaps a more productive question to ask is: why didn't OAuth and OpenId (as specs that didn't come from big companies) go through the IETF process? The answer to that seems like rationale for the OWF. - Adewale Oshineye
Adewale, It doesn't seem like either spec intended to be a Standard with a capital S when it started. They were semi-proprietary technologies being used by a loose coalition of companies. However they both got to the point where grown up considerations came into play and they had to talk about IPR, spec quality, interoperability, etc. That would have been a good time to take them to IETF. - Dare Obasanjo
Dare, I'm disappointed that you think we're ignorant of the IETF or that OWF is based around my "homeboys". I'm happy to talk and in the video of the presentation at OSCON you'll see that I started out by saying this wasn't about me and wasn't just my presentation. - David Recordon
David, I'm just telling you what it looks like from the perspective of an outsider. From where I sit we already have too many standards bodies whose job is to define the "Open Web" including the OASIS, IETF and W3C. If you are going to get Google, Yahoo!, Facebook, etc to support a new standards body defining Web technologies, I personally would like to know that there was a good reason for it and so far I haven't heard one. Then again, it's not like my opinion matters, so godspeed. - Dare Obasanjo
David, will Facebook and SixApart be members of the Open Web Foundation? If so, you should either resign from SixApart or the board of the OpenID foundation. Can you explain why you're the "Open Platforms Tech Lead" at SixApart and still on OpenID's board but you are working to implement Facebook's proprietary platform? Maybe I'm wrong, but this Open Web Foundation looks like an end-run around existing projects and frameworks to give an air of legitimacy to certain companies' actions. Tell me why I'm wrong. - Andrew Feinberg
Andrew, like the Apache Software Foundation, individuals and not companies will be members of the Open Web Foundation. I certainly hope to see Facebook supporting OpenID in the future and wrote about why I think Facebook Connect helps make a case for OpenID: http://daveman692.livejournal.... - David Recordon
"Harris would take the buses from several Miami-Dade Transit bus depots in the county and drive the buses on their routes, picking up and dropping off passengers along the way. He would then return the buses at the end of the day. Police said Harris di - l.m.orchard
Since he didn't steal any money, I guess he did it cause he liked driving a bus? - Dave Winer
It would be stealing if he actually drove them away but he was *returning* the buses! WTF - Rudolf Olah
This is fascinating. A lot of the job-hunting/career change books advise people to volunteer (i.e., do the job for free), but this is a little extreme. - Mike McCallister
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Is this even a crime? This is one of the most amazing stories I've ever read. - Zach Underwood
More buslines should offer this sort of service. - Pete Brown
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How does a transit system have such poor management over its buses? I mean, don't they have schedules, and shouldn't someone notice that bus 1232 isn't scheduled to be on the street? WTF? - Gabe Wachob
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errrr... my order "processed" but my .me domains still show up as available and aren't in my account. You smell, GoDaddy. - Andy Sternberg
not good - I just 'bought' 3 domains through godaddy. They've taken the money (though paypal), but none of them appear in either whois or godaddy's own system as belonging to me. Whois though dynadot shows two of them already registered to others. - Robin Barooah
Both of the ones I registered failed. Godaddy ftl. - Gabe Wachob
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mine too. I will never use godaddy for anything again unless there is absolutely no alternative. The only consolation is that the whois (from dynadot) shows that the domains were registered days ago - so godaddy didn't actually lose me the domains - just wasted my time. - Robin Barooah
@andys I wanted meme.me! You beat me to it. BTW didn't you go through the landrush auction for that? - Wil
I quite fancied cre.me... Pretty much all the obvious ones are gone, text.me, kiss.me etc etc. Aren't ICANN opening up TLDs to be anything anyway - what's the point in buying them until that happens? - Richard Bradshaw
cre.me is not available but is not in the whois; it's probably on auction (as part of the land rush process) - Wil
Being in the domain name industry, there is no excuse for the screw-ups that Godaddy had. Especially not when they are the registry themselves. http://blog.searchenginewatch.... - Wil
I'm a huge Obama fan. And I love the cover. I think it's hilarious and perfect satire. A lot of people have commented that many will not get the joke and will use the cover to hurt Obama. Since when should we curb satire because some people will take it the wrong way? - Bill Bittner
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No one ever gets to have any fun. Wolf Blitzer is just a reporter he isn't king god of the universe. He may not have a sense of humor, but that doesn't that the rest of us can't ever once in a while have a laugh. What's the point of all our wealth and power if we can't enjoy it a little. :-) - Dave Winer
Don't you think a lot of the uneasiness is about not wanting to talk about race in a direct way? I learned not to be uneasy the easy way, working in an environment with a 20:1 black:white ratio. - Amyloo
You're absolutely right that there's uneasiness in discussing race. However I there are many things in the cover that aren't productive in race discussions. There's satire for the sake of discussion, and there's satire for the sake of satire. I believe the cover is in the latter category. Maybe I'm just over-analyzing the whole thing and I should let it go. I probably am - Thomas B
What I love most about the NYer cover is the stick-up-the-rear blow hards who aren't sure whether it's kosher to laugh at it. - Michael Markman
i will talk race all day long, but rascists, i.e. people into race, don't want to hear that race doesn't matter anymore ... funny world, ego identity is all we care about - Gregory Lent
You know, as long as someone keeps giving attention to the fact that they're different, they will never be equal...and there will never be one "Human Race", but a bunch of bitter people secretly wishing the other would STFU. - Sean McGee
The thing is brings up is that, believe it or not, its not outrageous *enough* (for some people) to be obviously a satire on the politics of fear. In other words, its too close to what serious anti-obama people are putting out to be a joke... it perhaps cuts a little too close to the real thing. - Gabe Wachob
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Look ont he bright side, this cover will probably win hima lot of fans over on the Daily Kos - until they realize it is satire. Then they will be dissapointed. - Soulhuntre
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No, that is his wife, Michelle. It's so ridiculous that people think this is tasteless. It's so obvious that they are parodying not Obama, but peoples' perceptions of him. Political correctness is alive and well unfortunately. - klecu
A cheap shot? I don't think so - have you seen some of the peopel who call Daily Kos home? I think @klecu has a good point about political correctness but you do have to realize that accusing folks of being racist about Obama is literally a campaign strategy at the moment for many Obama supporters. They are trying to equate any criticism with racism. As such, PC is not only alive but thriving. - Soulhuntre
DailyKos is a bloody cesspool. More times than not when I've gone over there, I've encountered rabid antisemitism and a lot of frightening sentiment in extremely poor taste. Of course, you can find a lot of the same at Obama's campaign site, Huffington Post, and so on and so on. - Akiva Moskovitz
I love the cover. I think we should be able to laugh. - Francine Hardaway
In a strange irony the critics might not want to be lumped with the same people who wigged out about a certain Danish cartoon. - Jay Tannenbaum
I agree that it's over the top satire... but now the Obama and McCain campaigns are officially offended. I wonder... could he not be? If he's not offended and sees it as it is, he plays into the "elitist" arguments, is misinterpreted as endorsing it(ie it is true) and that he is not the president of the people. Interesting conundrum. - James Williams
The cover is great. It brings to light and creats a discussion of the whisper campaigns against Obama. - Erik Weese
It's smug satire. I just hope that once again the self-satisfied aren't handed their asses by their butts. More Bottom than Puck, too bad the play is not a comedy. Do butts of jokes often engage in discussion as to why they are being laughed at? In my experience they get meaner and dirtier to maintain a seat at the ego trough. Nope. You don't open a dialogue with the bear by poking him with a sharp stick or pointed cartoon even. - Boo
in 40 years it will be a classic, save your copy in pristine condition, should finance a couple of months at the old folks home - Gregory Lent
I have to say I fell for it badly then. I thought they were "satirising" Obama's race and name....which just isn't satire. I was offended. I feel a bit stupid now as you guys are telling me they were satirising the whisper campaign. I have to say if it wasn't clear to me, then a lot of people are going to be pissed off. - Chris Nixon
"The 1-Liter car has been around in prototype form since 2002 and greens everywhere have been drooling at its 282 miles per gallon fuel economy (or 1 liter of gasoline per 100 kilometers, hence the name). VW has finally decided to make more and sell them, and a limited edition (estimated in the thousands) should start selling in 2010." - Jason Wehmhoener
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Trying to figure out where the kids' car seats go :-/ - Gabe Wachob
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Yes, that seems to be an intentional oversight. - Jason Wehmhoener
But seriously, it would be nice to have a really efficient car thats usable by people who, um, have a family? - Gabe Wachob
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Gabe, first things first, the basic car, then expand to families - Mo Kargas
Yes because we all know it's the families who should wait to save heaps of money at the pump. Save the single person's wallet first! gods... - Michael W. May
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The average number of passengers in all car trips is less than two. It's unusual for an entire family to be in a car at one time. - Jason Wehmhoener
This might be true - but I'm not going to own two cars - one for when I'm driving by myself, and one for driving with the kids. I wonder how this could be addressed. - Gabe Wachob
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@joffi oh yeah, why bother on public transportation when can be just loud on family cars? you probably own SUV, right? - silpol
Gabe, we probably shouldn't be driving cars at all. Personal rapid transit would be far more cost and energy efficient. PRT usually also seats 2, but the good thing is the kids can have their own PRT "car" because it's all on rails. They just get in the one in front of you. http://www.unimodal.com/ - Jason Wehmhoener
PRT can be deployed on standard utility poles. Compare that with the vast tonnage in concrete we build for cars. - Jason Wehmhoener
Amit, we have an energy crisis that is becoming a food crisis, and it's largely a result of American transportation dysfunction. Maybe a little more efficiency is called for. - Jason Wehmhoener
Got that right... I haven't driven since Dec 95, fyi. I guess my sarcasm was lost. - Michael W. May
Michael, sarcasm often is lost, or at least misunderstood. Better to just say what you mean and try to be clear. - Jason Wehmhoener
@mona this is not exactly ignorance, rather tragedy of commons - silpol
I'll be myself, thanks. 98% of the time, it works just fine. - Michael W. May
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Sorry, just had earlier conversations on my mind about ways of keeping these discussion civil as the number of participants (and the diversity of the cultural backgrounds) increases. YMMV - Jason Wehmhoener
I commented on that blog - but here's something I've been thinking. Ther term "property" is too prejudicial. I'd be happier calling them "Intellectual Rights" or something like that -- explicitly removing the concept of property since once someone likens a patent to (for example), real property, then all real policy discussion seems to end. Which is a problem... - Gabe Wachob
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Blue State helped create the Web machine that brought in the bucks and built the buzz. Now it's looking to sign up more corporate clients - Chris Messina
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I've talked to the Obama CTO and they're really heavily leaning on Blue State Digital - a good sign! - Gabe Wachob
*think* sf to palo alto 20 minutes? that would be a regional train over here. not high speed train. *g* LA though was several hundred kilometers, right? that is several hours even in the land of high speed trains. ;) - Nicole Simon
Considering we currently have *heavy rail* as the fastest option, I'd be happy! - David Recordon
LA to SF in under 3 hours? Yes please. I would be up there a lot more frequently if that was the case. - Tsega Dinka
558.68 km in 3 hours should be doable. and as LAX is my fav airport for entry with my current airline, may I add decent inclusion of the airports into that network as well? ;) - Nicole Simon
Is a high speed train from Los Angeles to San Francisco a truly pressing need for our state, or is it the equivalent to another political movement mentioned in a Doonesbury cartoon - "free cheeseburgers for the elderly"? - Ontario Emperor
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While I can't talk about the full run from SF to LA, I do know that I'd ride it throughout the Bay Area and to Stockton. Traffic is horrible, gas is expensive, and modern trains are quite comfortable. Given how air travel is going I'd expect a slightly longer train ride between LA and SF would be pretty popular since it wouldn't mean stripping in an airport, you'd have internet, and even nice food. - David Recordon
The link above claims SF -> LA is 2.5 hrs. Yes, rail is a pressing need all over the US, not just California. - Andrew Talbot
german trains do 250 km/h tops, so that works out good if you can get the same technology. plus being on a train has the advantage of not having to go to the airport with checkin and everything - and usually trainstations are in the middle of the city. problem: the whole culture is build up on the car, then again you have to start somewhere. I know that I as a tourist traveller appreciate more public transportation, and be it just in CA. - Nicole Simon
& I'd even say it's a pressing need all over North America...I can't even get a passenger train from Winnipeg to Minneapolis. Best I can do is take a bus from Wpg to Fargo, then catch the Empire Builder coming through Fargo at 2am. Not surprisingly, I've never done that. - Trent Olson
Yes, you do have a longer way to go. ;) I did take a trainride from L.A. to San Diego once - it was not only the most amusing train drive ever because tht thing was as fast as our slowest regional trains are when they are coming out of the train station. usually I get so motion sick I cannot do anything while travelling - that thing was so slow I was even able to work. ;) - Nicole Simon
My parents live in LA, so I've driven down I5 from SF pretty often over the years. Given the amount of traffic I've seen and our current oil situation, I would say it's a pretty pressing need. Why wouldn't we want to have a far more fuel efficient means of travel available? - Chris White
There are some things we can learn from Europe on this one. Some of our cars are twice the size of a European car. And, yes, they have a lot more mass transit there. - David Risley
@Nicole, high-speed and regional are considered disjoint concepts? It this part of some special language spoken by European train bureaucrats? - j1m
That looks pretty sweet ... too bad I don't live in CA ... this would be a good excuse to get a place out there though! - Nick O'Neill
That *is* pretty sweet. The train is going to go walking distance to almost all the places I go in CA - SF. Sacto, Redwood City, Bakersfield, and University City (UCSD). Nice. - Gabe Wachob
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j1m different trains require different technology which in our case is existing and with history, but you would not need to redo that. for example the area I am living in is one of the last to receive over train electricity meaning that due to that my town is only since recently part of the very fast train network. imagine caltrain suddenly also having to run with high speed trains - you would need to vamp up not only the trains but so much more. :) - Nicole Simon
j1m but mainly because even the slowest of trains here are fast compared to whatever is Amtrak. ;) - Nicole Simon
The problem is fires. We don't care about your hand. But if you haven't noticed our state is burning right now. I think our love of fireworks is pretty dangerous. - Robert Scoble
Egads! I love it in Texas where I can buy whiskey, a gun and fireworks within walking distances. Bad combo, but good 'ol fun. - Matt Horton
doesnt ban it. my church sells them along wiht about 5 other organizations in the nearby town of dublin... - Robbie Trencheny
Umm, have you seen the headlines about the hundreds of firestorms around the state? Lightning isn't the only cause of fire. - Phil Wolff
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Since there are wildfires going on in California I don't they want any extra fires to put out. - Thankful Molly
Well we here in Northern California live in a very dry place with lots of vegetation that burns quickly (chapparal, eucalyptus, other) - not to mention dense urban areas with primarily wood construction (earthquakes, remember). It just doesn't make a lot of sense. Also, even where you can get 'fireworks", its the non-exploding, non-flying type. That being said, I grew up in San Francisco, and I can tell you that the few weeks before 4th of July always seemed like a war zone in my neighborhood... - Gabe Wachob
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Huh? I'm seeing a bunch of fireworks here in Union City, feels like Iraq here - Vera Yu
I meant, you can't *legally* get that stuff. In a few cities, Union City included I think, you can get these 'safe and sane'. But yah, in some places, for some reason, people like lighting off stirngs of m-80's until midnight every day for weeks before the 4th. I'm glad I don't have to put up with that any more... - Gabe Wachob
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There are environment good fireworks, have they checked this before banning? Fireworks are beautiful. - Jack
You mean, like ones that don't start fires? - Gabe Wachob
Hmm.. I'm still seeing (and hearing) lots of fireworks here in LA.. - Chris Chua
Obviously there are fireworks in California but nothing like I've been used to growing up where the entire street is out setting stuff off or fireworks being sold in the grocery. - David Recordon
It's not just CA. In most of India personal fireworks got banned to control the air and noise pollution many years ago. - Deepak
You wouldn't know fireworks were outlawed here in San Jose. I was at a house on the edge of the Hills in Los Gatos tonight and the personal fireworks people were launching right near us were just as good as the professional shows in the distance. The fireworks finally stopped for the most part around 11:45PM. - Jeff P. Henderson
I don't find it so bad now with the iphone. In the UK, orange used to have a service where a human operator would take a message and txt it to you. That was great. - Robin Barooah
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It all just rolls to my email inbox (and my mobile), so still has value. - Norman Guadagno
It's a must for me. I spend too much time in meetings not to have it since I'm an IT Consultant/Systems Integrator. For some people, I suppose it's not really useful anymore though. - Jason Huebel
only use it as an answering machine now... email has crushed it as a medium for group informing IMO - Tim Elliott
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I use YouMail, which sends me an email, sms and transcribes it. Yes, I use it. - Vince DeGeorge
Anymore? I have successfully avoided using it for many years. I never liked it to begin with. - Tom Harrison
Almost 100% email - why leave a voicemail when most people are instantly connected to email throughout the day. - Wayne Schulz
Voice mail is essential, because the most useful feature of a cell phone is the OFF button. - Dewald Pretorius
I find it most useful when I'm out and about in an area of poor coverage - Robin Barooah
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I have a friend who has forwarded his phone to his wife and lets her be his voicemail. He has done this more than once for weeks at a time, and loves it very much. - Tim Wright
@Dewald I couldn't agree more with you. Cellphones are electronic leeches. Voicemail allows us to disconnect ourselves from them when necessary. - Jason Huebel
I use it on my mobile phone. We don't have landlines at the office anymore. I also have it on my home landline, but that's hardly ever used now. People know the best way to get me is via mobile - voice or text, or even twitter DM, which goes to sms anyway. IM is another good way to get my attention. - jjprojects
completely turned it off and I tell people not to leave me a voice mail. been like this for years. - Loic Le Meur
does YouMail have ads or anything? I have a account but not sure if I want to switch?? - Aaron Myers
Coverage is so bad in south Louisiana that I can't go without it or I'd miss too much. - Garrett Guillotte
i use spinvox, i believe you covered it - converts voicemail to text messages & email - Zee from WeDoCreative
Visual Voicemail has made it bearable again but generally I try to avoid it all together. - David Recordon
Call my phone and you will get your answer: I hate voice mail. - Robert Scoble
I hope all the voice mail naysayers aren't the same rude people taking calls in the middle of a face to face conversation, or in a restaurant or any of the other places where calls annoy everybody around? - Brian Sullivan
my voice mail tells you to send me an email. :-) - Robert Scoble
I don't usually use the word 'never', so we'll just say that I 'hardly ever' listen to vm. - Sonciary Honnoll
No one actually calls me, although I might add that I don't personally like leaving voicemail messages. I e-mail people and people e-mail me - so much easier. - A Bat
It gets emailed to me as an mp3. If I don't have your number in my phone, or you use Skype that comes up Unknown Numer or 0000012345 - you go to VM and I'll get an mp3 a minute later. - Aaron Brazell
Love YouMail. Let's you customize message to specific caller, as well as choose from many vanity messages, also selectable by caller. I spend at least 50% of my work day in meetings or conference calls so I have to have VM. - Kevin Shannon
You people are sad ;) Don't you have family members that call you? Doctors confirming appointments? The car repair place? The kids' school? I mean really, I'd prefer to talk to my grandparents on the phone, and if I didn't have voicemail (or if they didn't), I'd miss a lot of things... - Gabe Wachob
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@Aaron, there is a small ad with the email and transcript - at least I think - it's small enough or non-intrusive enough that I couldn't say for sure. For the voicemail portion, there are no ads that I've ever "heard." I've always been 100% satisfied with it - though please stay away from the corny greetings they offer and do your own. - Vince DeGeorge
Gabe if one of those people calls I call them back. No VM needed. - Robert Scoble
@Vince Some of the vanity messages are OK. I'm partial to the one with Pam and Michael from "The Office". I was considering the one that says "Due to the recent earthquake this call can not be completed", but it might scare the cr@p out of my mother.. - Kevin Shannon
We don't have a concept of voicemail in India.. and I hope VM doesn't catch up here. - Muthu Ramadoss
Of course I use voicemail. It's becuase I don't pick up the phone. - Gerard Barberi
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Text messages. They are faster and I get them when I'm in meetings. - Travis Murdock
I do have voicemail on my phone but everyone knows I never check it. They text or e-mail me if they really need me. I think I check my voicemail when I realize that I have about 10. - Candace Holly
I use email but a few of my clients still use my Grand Central number. - Jeff L.
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I don't mind voicemail, most people don't bother and text me. Trick is to stay on top of it and not let them pile up, unified messaging is nice. Visual Voicemail is one iPhone feature I did appreciate, when it worked. - Andrew Feinberg
I am completely off of voicemail at work and home, but still access it on my mobile, of course - John McCrea
I use youmail for my cell phone. I would use GrandCentral more if more people called me. - Christian Burns
I stll have it on cell and office but office forwards to email. Cell vm, I forget to check so most people don't bother. - Karen Swim
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Using PhoneTag (was Simulscribe) so just get emails and sms with transcript. Hardly ever need to listen to them and they just come in with the rest of my comms. Saves a heap of time. - Jed White
Likewise - Rolls to my inbox. Instantly screened .... delete ... delete .... :) - Charlie Anzman
I hate hate hate voicemail. Waste of time. Interface sucks. - Andy Wibbels
I get voice mail now and then and it sort of annoys me. I find email so much better for leaving messages. There's a place for phone conversations but voicemail ... I dunno. - AJ Kohn
I am trying to push people towards sending me text, but - Gabe Wachob
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