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I think 99.9% of the things calling themselves "REST APIs" don't adhere to these rules around hypermedia. Most declare a URI hierarchy and expect clients to understand it a priori. - Gabe Wachob
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“Social Media Roll Call Bonus Edition: Who is Bay Area here (note if you're native)”
July 30 at 10:22 pm - Link
i'm bay area in spirit! - Baratunde Thurston via twhirl
And San Diego and Tampa people, don't be wise-asses. I'm talkin west coast. :P - Eric Rice
Native represent. (oaktown boyeee) - tagami
native - sunnyvale - Zach Landes
YAY..... then Tokyo -> NYC -> Boston -> DC -> SF - Mona N.
Live in San Carlos, born and grew up in San Francisco, but you knew that already, Eric ;) - Gabe Wachob
Born on the peninsula, grew up in San Jose. - Eric Rice
Right here, Santa Clara. - Louie
San Francisco (born in Virginia). - Hutch Carpenter
Moreton Bay (Australia)... does that count? - Johnny Worthington
Lol, there's always one guy :P - Eric Rice
Santa Clara (born in Jersey) - Steven Kaye
I'm in Half Moon Bay. Moved here when Ampex hired my dad when I was five. I was born in Jersey too. - Robert Scoble
born in north bay ( SF ) and raised in south bay since 3 or so. Live here now. - Adam Helweh
Tampa Bay. West Shore Boulevard, actually. - Bill Sodeman via twhirl
I want to get back to the city by the bay... - सत्याग्रह [Bren]
ostrich bay, right on the water, lucky - Gregory Lent
Representin' San Jose right here :) - Tamara J.
Eric: San Diego is on the west coast; Tam: (representin' sac town..be honest) - सत्याग्रह [Bren]
What is Social Media Again? :-) - John Furrier
John, I'll get back to you - right after I figure out what is neither media nor social. - Garrick Van Buren
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July 26 at 5:57 am - Link
Dare, the conversation on the Open Web Discussion group is that this is not intended to be a standards group. Now, these guys have swallowed the standards are too heavyweight pill (just as developers have their favorite software-engineering-is-bad-waterfall meme). - Dennis E. Hamilton via twhirl
I'm confused as to how they can claim to be about incubating and ipr of technology specifications for the Web but aren't a "standards" group. Technically the W3C isn't a standards group either, nor is the IETF. That doesn't change the fact that their specifications are intended to be standards, otherwise what is the point? - Dare Obasanjo
... the IETF has to accept and charter the work, and there is work that is out of scope for them. WebDAV is the borderline example that has always had them nervous. In any case, my sense of OpenWeb is creating guidance for managing IP issues in development of community specifications of any sort, and also incubating some specification efforts. The idea is that movement to someone's standard track is later. There may be some naivety, and there are people attracted to this who have different desires for it, but I think the basic activity can be useful. We'll see how well they can stick to it as they work through the additional formation work. - Dennis E. Hamilton via twhirl
[PS: Couldn't see any comment form on the blog page, so here I am.] - Dennis E. Hamilton via twhirl
Dare: I think they mean formally-established standards organizations. Let's back up and agree that a specification is not a standard, the IETF definition of a standard is far better. But this is for forming open, community-developed specifications that are safe for people to implement in terms of any IP of the contributors in the specification. They mean not standard in the way NTFS is not a standard, but what it would be like if the NTFS spec were under the Open Specification Promise. OK? - Dennis E. Hamilton via twhirl
Before you argue that NTFS is a kind of standard (and I agree), it is not because of its specification. A better example would be something like FrontPage Extensions. - Dennis E. Hamilton via twhirl
Umm, so the folks are process-adverse and have roots in the OpenID, OpenAuth, and Identity activities. Check out the discussions already at http://groups.google.com/group... - Dennis E. Hamilton via twhirl
There is a comment icon on the top right of each post. I can see how it is easy to miss. :) - Dare Obasanjo
But more than process-adverse, they are concerned about each one of these efforts having to go through all the process-creation activities in order to get past the five buddies with an idea about a protocol stage. We'll see how well that dance goes. - Dennis E. Hamilton via twhirl
Nothing you've said explains why the IETF is not a good fit and it already has done all the hard work with regards to figuring out IPR policy, etc. - Dare Obasanjo
separate subject ... what will ipr be in five years? - Gregory Lent
The question is whether or not the IETF accepts a project. It is more than submitting an IETF draft and having a mailing list. Check with the Atom folk on what they needed to do before they were an IETF project. And the IETF process structure is fairly rigorous for standards-track work. Now, the IETF process is my favorite, especially with regard to the open-ness and availability to public participation, transparency, etc. (I lobbied for Atom to go there, for example.) But back up to the stage when there was only Atom 0.3. I think the Open Web Foundation is interested in smoothing that stage, not the next one. Maybe it will be mini-IETF in form. That's my take on what they are after. Let's see if it works out the way the convenors envision it. - Dennis E. Hamilton
Gregory: I don't understand the question. And you probably need to be specific about the IPR you have in mind. - Dennis E. Hamilton
From where I sit the process for getting acceptance into the IETF seems to be more objective than the "if you're David Recordon's homeboy" policy that seems to be getting applied at http://groups.google.com/group... . I'm perplexed by the notion that these people want to define technology specifications that everyone from small Web shops to multibillion dollar companies should implement but going through some project justification is too much work so they created OWF - Dare Obasanjo
The web is layered. It may be that each layer needs a standardization process that is optimized for the type of technologies, usage patterns, developers, etc. prevalent in that layer. - scott anderson
Heh. Many people involved with the OWF are also happy IETF supporters and contributors, and I definitely don't expect that to change! Worth noting though that the IETF also sets standards for their standards, which is a *great thing*, but many works weren't written according to those standards, yet they still need IPR frameworks and an incubation process. - DeWitt Clinton
The OWF is intended to catch the specs that *don't* go to standards bodies, at least not yet. For whatever reason many specs are slipping through the cracks, and we're wasting tremendous time and energy creating one-off foundations to (partly) catch them. Don't overlook, Dare, that some of your colleagues are also supporting this, because you guys are also downsteam of those specs. : ) - DeWitt Clinton
Love to see you get involved with this, Dare. I'd especially love to see you get involved and start participating *before* writing vitriolic posts skewering the intent. If you gave it a chance you might even agree that it is useful. : ) - DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt states it right. There's no reason a group of people who wish to write a spec should submit to a "goodness review" or pay money before they can work within the confines of a well understood, well documented IPR policy and process. One of the main reasons these one-foundations are being started is because of IPR concerns. Standards bodies like the IETF are way too slow for the interested parties at the stage they are at (usually very early on), and OASIS's (very low) fees are still too much friction. - Gabe Wachob
I don't understand the "standards body" distinction. IETF and W3C aren't standards bodies, like say ISO. They provide a home for authoring technical specs and dealing with IPR issues. It seems OWF wants to do the same thing and is somehow trying to pretend it is a different class of organization. Sounds like FUD to me. It seems dumb to create yet another standards organization but if the technical specs are good, what do I care? - Dare Obasanjo
Actually, both the IETF and W3C do call themselves standards organizations. See http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc202... and http://www.w3.org/Consortium/ respectively. - DeWitt Clinton
But I'm going to stop responding now. I'd like to have a meaningful dialog, but you keep trying to deliberately provoke by saying insulting things, like "FUD", "dumb", "trying to pretend." I'm sorry if you don't like it, Dare. But there are some decent people involved with the OWF, and we're trying to do a good thing here and solve some real problems -- we deserve better than to be insulted. - DeWitt Clinton
I guess I haven't kept up, there was a time the W3C was explicit about not being a standards body (hence their specs are called "recommendations"). Times change. Anyway, the original point still remains that there is already an organization that meets the needs of the folks who have created OWF. It seems unnecessary to create a dueling organization which takes resources from others. - Dare Obasanjo
Perhaps a more productive question to ask is: why didn't OAuth and OpenId (as specs that didn't come from big companies) go through the IETF process? The answer to that seems like rationale for the OWF. - Adewale Oshineye
Adewale, It doesn't seem like either spec intended to be a Standard with a capital S when it started. They were semi-proprietary technologies being used by a loose coalition of companies. However they both got to the point where grown up considerations came into play and they had to talk about IPR, spec quality, interoperability, etc. That would have been a good time to take them to IETF. - Dare Obasanjo
For a history lesson on how a spec can start up in the community and end up in the IETF, just look at http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/W... - Dare Obasanjo
Dare, I'm disappointed that you think we're ignorant of the IETF or that OWF is based around my "homeboys". I'm happy to talk and in the video of the presentation at OSCON you'll see that I started out by saying this wasn't about me and wasn't just my presentation. - David Recordon
David, I'm just telling you what it looks like from the perspective of an outsider. From where I sit we already have too many standards bodies whose job is to define the "Open Web" including the OASIS, IETF and W3C. If you are going to get Google, Yahoo!, Facebook, etc to support a new standards body defining Web technologies, I personally would like to know that there was a good reason for it and so far I haven't heard one. Then again, it's not like my opinion matters, so godspeed. - Dare Obasanjo
David, will Facebook and SixApart be members of the Open Web Foundation? If so, you should either resign from SixApart or the board of the OpenID foundation. Can you explain why you're the "Open Platforms Tech Lead" at SixApart and still on OpenID's board but you are working to implement Facebook's proprietary platform? Maybe I'm wrong, but this Open Web Foundation looks like an end-run around existing projects and frameworks to give an air of legitimacy to certain companies' actions. Tell me why I'm wrong. - Andrew Feinberg
Andrew, like the Apache Software Foundation, individuals and not companies will be members of the Open Web Foundation. I certainly hope to see Facebook supporting OpenID in the future and wrote about why I think Facebook Connect helps make a case for OpenID: http://daveman692.livejournal.... - David Recordon
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"Harris would take the buses from several Miami-Dade Transit bus depots in the county and drive the buses on their routes, picking up and dropping off passengers along the way. He would then return the buses at the end of the day. Police said Harris di - l.m.orchard
Since he didn't steal any money, I guess he did it cause he liked driving a bus? - Dave Winer
It would be stealing if he actually drove them away but he was *returning* the buses! WTF - Rudolf Olah
This is fascinating. A lot of the job-hunting/career change books advise people to volunteer (i.e., do the job for free), but this is a little extreme. - Mike McCallister via NoiseRiver
Is this even a crime? This is one of the most amazing stories I've ever read. - Zach Underwood
More buslines should offer this sort of service. - Pete Brown via twhirl
How does a transit system have such poor management over its buses? I mean, don't they have schedules, and shouldn't someone notice that bus 1232 isn't scheduled to be on the street? WTF? - Gabe Wachob via twhirl
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"The 1-Liter car has been around in prototype form since 2002 and greens everywhere have been drooling at its 282 miles per gallon fuel economy (or 1 liter of gasoline per 100 kilometers, hence the name). VW has finally decided to make more and sell them, and a limited edition (estimated in the thousands) should start selling in 2010." - Jason Wehmhoener via Bookmarklet
Trying to figure out where the kids' car seats go :-/ - Gabe Wachob via twhirl
Yes, that seems to be an intentional oversight. - Jason Wehmhoener
But seriously, it would be nice to have a really efficient car thats usable by people who, um, have a family? - Gabe Wachob via twhirl
Gabe, first things first, the basic car, then expand to families - Mo Kargas
Yes because we all know it's the families who should wait to save heaps of money at the pump. Save the single person's wallet first! gods... - Michael W. May via twhirl
The average number of passengers in all car trips is less than two. It's unusual for an entire family to be in a car at one time. - Jason Wehmhoener
This might be true - but I'm not going to own two cars - one for when I'm driving by myself, and one for driving with the kids. I wonder how this could be addressed. - Gabe Wachob via twhirl
@joffi oh yeah, why bother on public transportation when can be just loud on family cars? you probably own SUV, right? - silpol
Gabe, we probably shouldn't be driving cars at all. Personal rapid transit would be far more cost and energy efficient. PRT usually also seats 2, but the good thing is the kids can have their own PRT "car" because it's all on rails. They just get in the one in front of you. http://www.unimodal.com/ - Jason Wehmhoener
Efficiency is overrated. - Amit Patel
PRT can be deployed on standard utility poles. Compare that with the vast tonnage in concrete we build for cars. - Jason Wehmhoener
Amit, we have an energy crisis that is becoming a food crisis, and it's largely a result of American transportation dysfunction. Maybe a little more efficiency is called for. - Jason Wehmhoener
ignorance is underrated - Mona N.
Got that right... I haven't driven since Dec 95, fyi. I guess my sarcasm was lost. - Michael W. May
Michael, sarcasm often is lost, or at least misunderstood. Better to just say what you mean and try to be clear. - Jason Wehmhoener
@mona this is not exactly ignorance, rather tragedy of commons - silpol
I'll be myself, thanks. 98% of the time, it works just fine. - Michael W. May via twhirl
Sorry, just had earlier conversations on my mind about ways of keeping these discussion civil as the number of participants (and the diversity of the cultural backgrounds) increases. YMMV - Jason Wehmhoener
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I commented on that blog - but here's something I've been thinking. Ther term "property" is too prejudicial. I'd be happier calling them "Intellectual Rights" or something like that -- explicitly removing the concept of property since once someone likens a patent to (for example), real property, then all real policy discussion seems to end. Which is a problem... - Gabe Wachob via twhirl
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Blue State helped create the Web machine that brought in the bucks and built the buzz. Now it's looking to sign up more corporate clients - Chris Messina via Mento
I've talked to the Obama CTO and they're really heavily leaning on Blue State Digital - a good sign! - Gabe Wachob
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“anyone actually use voicemail anymore? necessary evil? turned it off completely?”
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I don't find it so bad now with the iphone. In the UK, orange used to have a service where a human operator would take a message and txt it to you. That was great. - Robin Barooah via MojiPage Bot
It all just rolls to my email inbox (and my mobile), so still has value. - Norman Guadagno
It's a must for me. I spend too much time in meetings not to have it since I'm an IT Consultant/Systems Integrator. For some people, I suppose it's not really useful anymore though. - Jason Huebel
only use it as an answering machine now... email has crushed it as a medium for group informing IMO - Tim Elliott via twhirl
I use YouMail, which sends me an email, sms and transcribes it. Yes, I use it. - Vince DeGeorge
YouMail++. - Hao Chen
Anymore? I have successfully avoided using it for many years. I never liked it to begin with. - Tom Harrison
Almost 100% email - why leave a voicemail when most people are instantly connected to email throughout the day. - Wayne Schulz
Voice mail is essential, because the most useful feature of a cell phone is the OFF button. - Dewald Pretorius
I find it most useful when I'm out and about in an area of poor coverage - Robin Barooah via MojiPage Bot
I have a friend who has forwarded his phone to his wife and lets her be his voicemail. He has done this more than once for weeks at a time, and loves it very much. - Tim Wright
@Dewald I couldn't agree more with you. Cellphones are electronic leeches. Voicemail allows us to disconnect ourselves from them when necessary. - Jason Huebel
I use it on my mobile phone. We don't have landlines at the office anymore. I also have it on my home landline, but that's hardly ever used now. People know the best way to get me is via mobile - voice or text, or even twitter DM, which goes to sms anyway. IM is another good way to get my attention. - jjprojects
completely turned it off and I tell people not to leave me a voice mail. been like this for years. - Loic Le Meur
does YouMail have ads or anything? I have a account but not sure if I want to switch?? - Aaron Myers
Coverage is so bad in south Louisiana that I can't go without it or I'd miss too much. - Garrett Guillotte
i use spinvox, i believe you covered it - converts voicemail to text messages & email - Zee from WeDoCreative
Visual Voicemail has made it bearable again but generally I try to avoid it all together. - David Recordon
Call my phone and you will get your answer: I hate voice mail. - Robert Scoble
I hope all the voice mail naysayers aren't the same rude people taking calls in the middle of a face to face conversation, or in a restaurant or any of the other places where calls annoy everybody around? - Brian Sullivan
my voice mail tells you to send me an email. :-) - Robert Scoble
I don't usually use the word 'never', so we'll just say that I 'hardly ever' listen to vm. - Sonciary Honnoll
No one actually calls me, although I might add that I don't personally like leaving voicemail messages. I e-mail people and people e-mail me - so much easier. - A Bat
It gets emailed to me as an mp3. If I don't have your number in my phone, or you use Skype that comes up Unknown Numer or 0000012345 - you go to VM and I'll get an mp3 a minute later. - Aaron Brazell
Love YouMail. Let's you customize message to specific caller, as well as choose from many vanity messages, also selectable by caller. I spend at least 50% of my work day in meetings or conference calls so I have to have VM. - Kevin Shannon
You people are sad ;) Don't you have family members that call you? Doctors confirming appointments? The car repair place? The kids' school? I mean really, I'd prefer to talk to my grandparents on the phone, and if I didn't have voicemail (or if they didn't), I'd miss a lot of things... - Gabe Wachob via twhirl
@Aaron, there is a small ad with the email and transcript - at least I think - it's small enough or non-intrusive enough that I couldn't say for sure. For the voicemail portion, there are no ads that I've ever "heard." I've always been 100% satisfied with it - though please stay away from the corny greetings they offer and do your own. - Vince DeGeorge
Gabe if one of those people calls I call them back. No VM needed. - Robert Scoble
@Vince Some of the vanity messages are OK. I'm partial to the one with Pam and Michael from "The Office". I was considering the one that says "Due to the recent earthquake this call can not be completed", but it might scare the cr@p out of my mother.. - Kevin Shannon
We don't have a concept of voicemail in India.. and I hope VM doesn't catch up here. - Muthu Ramadoss
Of course I use voicemail. It's becuase I don't pick up the phone. - Gerard Barberi via twhirl
Text messages. They are faster and I get them when I'm in meetings. - Travis Murdock
I do have voicemail on my phone but everyone knows I never check it. They text or e-mail me if they really need me. I think I check my voicemail when I realize that I have about 10. - Candace Holly
I use email but a few of my clients still use my Grand Central number. - Jeff L. via twhirl
I don't mind voicemail, most people don't bother and text me. Trick is to stay on top of it and not let them pile up, unified messaging is nice. Visual Voicemail is one iPhone feature I did appreciate, when it worked. - Andrew Feinberg
I am completely off of voicemail at work and home, but still access it on my mobile, of course - John McCrea
I use youmail for my cell phone. I would use GrandCentral more if more people called me. - Christian Burns
I stll have it on cell and office but office forwards to email. Cell vm, I forget to check so most people don't bother. - Karen Swim via Alert Thingy
I use CallWave, works great. - Alex Sauceda via fftogo
Using PhoneTag (was Simulscribe) so just get emails and sms with transcript. Hardly ever need to listen to them and they just come in with the rest of my comms. Saves a heap of time. - Jed White
Likewise - Rolls to my inbox. Instantly screened .... delete ... delete .... :) - Charlie Anzman
I hate hate hate voicemail. Waste of time. Interface sucks. - Andy Wibbels
I get voice mail now and then and it sort of annoys me. I find email so much better for leaving messages. There's a place for phone conversations but voicemail ... I dunno. - AJ Kohn
I am trying to push people towards sending me text, but - Gabe Wachob via twhirl
Pinger makes it better. - Jay Tannenbaum
Rarely does anything go to voice mail any more. Reading these comments makes me wonder why mine are note forwarded