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Why is Europe such a hotbed for cool audio apps? I am hanging out with @alexanderljung and @haynes_dave of SoundCloud. Wow, cool service.
Fritz Feger and Matthew Hughes liked this
The idea of SoundCloud is cool, I agree. But 5 tracks upload for free per MONTH - I can upload 3 tracks per DAY at FriendFeed and comment, download, upload pics etc., and all that in a private room, if I want to. The waveform representation to attach comments to can be easily replaced by typing in the timecode of your comment. And finally, why not (as I do) upload music of any format...
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- Fritz Feger
It's true most big pro audio apps are from Europe like Reason and Cubase.
- Matthew Hughes
The home of electronic music?
- Greg
from iPhone
Apple Logic is from Europe too, from Hamburg - it used to be called emagic before that company was acquired by Apple. And Native Instruments is also European. And Sibelius notation software, not to forget.
- Fritz Feger
I'm at Accel Partners with #travelinggeeks in London and just heard a company talk about its Net Promoter Score. Why this is important:
Rob Diana, gautam, Wouter Trumpie and 4 other people liked this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... is what this is.
- Robert Scoble
Net Promoter Score is how the world's best companies now keep track of how happy their customers are.
- Robert Scoble
I've heard it discussed a lot lately from a wide variety of companies (it's easy to get, only need to ask your customers one question), and at Rackspace it's almost a religion.
- Robert Scoble
Wonga is the company and said its NPS is better than Google, which means it's very high.
- Robert Scoble
We use it widely for all our online brands at Reed Business Information
- Jim Muttram
Those companies with a high NPS will grow quickly without spending money on advertising. Spotify, for instance, has a high NPS and is getting 50,000 downloads a day here in Europe without spending money on advertising.
- Robert Scoble
NPS is about more than just one question, if it's used right. It's about providing value to your customers, listening to them and acting upon what they say. Read Reichhelds book, the ultimate question.
- Wouter Trumpie
Wouter: true, but many of us hate answering surveys so if you can keep them short you are more likely to get surveys answered, which is why I talked about that aspect of it.
- Robert Scoble
definitely agree, should keep the surveys short and use the ultimate question, but you also need to interpret and act on the answers to the one NPS question. Why do or don't you recommend our product or company etc. Some companies just seem to measure NPS, because everybody is doing it, and do not do anything with the feedback they get, which is wrong.
- Wouter Trumpie
essentially it is about how many people are talking about you and form the tribe for you.. hence this reduces the advertising spend for the company.. NPS = Evangelists i am guessing..
- aditi
For balance, here is a link to research regarding NPS called, "A Longitudinal Examination of Net Promoter and Firm Revenue Growth" - In summary, Using industries Reichheld cites as exemplars of Net Promoter, the research fails to replicate his assertions regarding the “clear superiority” of Net Promoter compared with other measures in those industries. - http://contextrules.typepad.com/transfo...
- David Gerbino
quite agree that NPS alone is not enough. Actionable feedback and trending is still needed. NPS as part of consumer feedback brings some order to often widely variable responses.
- Andrew Cresswell
NPS done right can be very powerful. Very few companies only ask one question -- not even Rackspace. They use the NPS approach, in which you not only ask about likelihood to recommend, but also about WHY. They pass the individual customer feedback directly to the team members who can do something about it. It's the ultimate in actionability. By the way, that article David G references is bunk. Don't just read the text, but pore over the data. For a look at the data, see: http://is.gd/1mmo7
- Rob Markey
Are company utilizes this NPS. Ultimate Question!
- Mark Williamson
from BuddyFeed
"NRU" hot new iPhone app for finding things in big cities.. Details: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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This is Marko Balabanovic, head of innovation at http://lastminute.com which makes a very cool iPhone app called "Near You" which shows you bars and other items of interest by just pointing your iPhone around. Requires iPhone 3GS because it uses the compass inside.
- Robert Scoble
Location based services will have success, especially on the iPhone.
- Torsten Eckert
It is called "NRU" and it isn't out yet.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
It is the coolest use of compass in new iPhone I have seen so far.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Methinks I'll definitely need to upgrade now.
- Anthony Baker
kind of like a better version of 'aroundme'?
- Chris Heath
Is there some where we can read more about this new app NRU? May be a demo video?
- Vinko
There is a video showing it here - http://lastminutelabs.wordpress.com/2009...
- Russ
Is the same app that's on the Android HTC Magic. it's seems to do exactly the same thing, show you what's in the direction you're pointing the phone
- Rachel Clarke
Rachel: yup, it's the same app as on Android. Very cool, I filmed a video of it on my iPhone but can't get it to upload to YouTube. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
I'll be keeping an eye on the response from AroundMe.
- Nick Wade
It would be cool if the iPhone recorded compass direction when you took a photo.
- Bruce Lewis
The coolest thing I have seen so far in London? Music service Spotify. But you can't use it in USA yet. It is getting 50,000 new users a day
Andrew, Mitch, Angus Burton and 20 other people liked this
Glad you are enjoying my home town!!
- Jim Connolly
I love using Spotify, it really is simple and has nearly every track on there that I'd want! Not sure how much bandwidth it uses, as that might be a problem on Mobile Broadband. Are writing up/putting individual videos up from your time in London?
- Steve Farnworth
The norwegian Music service - @wimp from @aspiromusic is far better! http://wimp.aspiro.com/site...
- robert sørensen
Steve: yes, I put a bunch up at http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer (including one with Spotify) and a few more at http://scobleizer.blip.tv
- Robert Scoble
robert: why? Can I use Wimp in USA?
- Robert Scoble
Mobile version coming soon. Adverts still not annoying enough to pay for it....yet.
- Andrew Cresswell
we are loving Spotify in London, it's so popular it's setting off it's own memes http://jonathanfromspotifyruin...
- Ian Crocombe
hmm
- Rajeev Prabhakaran Nair
Spotify is awesome but I've had quite a few buffering issues when I've used it. It's probably down to my Internet connection but they really should try to work around that somehow. I mainly use it to previews albums in full before downloading them, so it's bearable.
- Tony Ruscoe
The speed and quality of Spotify are amazing. I've been a subscriber for a while now - best 9€/month I've ever spent :)
- Jan Ignatius
Robert: thanks for the link, will give that a watch! Shame I missed you guys, couldn't get to the Tweetup!
- Steve Farnworth
Is the lack of US presence a US copyright issue? Or careful rollout?
- Andrew Cresswell
Spotify also lets you send your listening history to http://last.fm, so you can keep your music profile updated. its a great service; search is really fast, streaming starts almost instantaneously, xml based playlists you can share, adverts are not that often and iphone app on the way. they dont seem to be catering for developers much at the moment with just the libspotify API for linux clients. If they nail that then i foresee see good things happening...
- hearn
Andrew: careful rollout. Doing live streaming costs a lot of money and they need to have advertising salespeople and way to monetize.
- Robert Scoble
I dont think so, you still have to be invited to use it and Aspiro/Wimp is not overflowing us with inivtes either. Wimps GUI and specially the option to buy song/albums without creditcard (charging your mobile instead) is good. Spotify is better when it comes to sound quality, but Wimp has promised to fix this soon.
- robert sørensen
Americans got Hulu, (some) Europeans get Spotify. Of course there's always proxies. Spotify now has higher quality option for subscribers \0/
- Petteri
Spotify is truly a phenomenon over here, Robert.
- Iain Baker
Spotify has been so successful over here (esp. UK) that it is no longer novel, and considered normal internet use by many! I love it.
- By_tor
Yeah I've been using Spotify for a while now, its great! Still has a few gaps in its music service and recently seems to have removed one album I liked, but in general has most bands/genres covered and apparently constantly adds new stuff.
- Roy Herrod
I love Spotify, it makes me seriously wonder why I have so many gigs of music in my iTunes library. I can't wait till the Android version comes out; for me at least it's then game over for my ipod.
- Christian Cable
Spotify saved my life, i have been going 3 years without listening to anything new, simply because i don't have time to look for new music. Now i use spotify every day (and pay 10€/month for no ads). Using the playlists its so simple to discover new artists. And a shameless plug... me and a friend made a little site for sharing spotify playlists: http://listopify.com :)
- Lasse Johnsen
Rumors say they are hoping to open in the US and release several mobile apps towards the end of the year.
- Lasse Johnsen
I loooove Spotify :) There's another service too, called Voddler (it hasn't opened to the public yet). Which is also a swedish service, like Spotify but for movies and tv.
- Patrik Johansson
Spotify hasn't made it yet? Wow - at least you still have Pandora - we got that then it was cruelly taken from our grasp
- NMInet
Sportify is cool, but have been addicted to Last.fm for a long time. I know they are not exactly the same, but similar enough for me not to change. On top of that you have to listen to commercials if you want the free version, which I am not a big fan of
- Asgeir
spotify is great. blip.fm is superb, with very nice social network features.
- Liviu Barbat
Here in Canada (and most places outside the US) we are blocked from Hulu, Pandora and many others. Is it wrong to feel a little glee about a service that's not available in the US?
- Kevin Fair
Spotify has major drawbacks in that the content is limited when compared to others (check out http://www.we7.com) and you have to download a client to use it. There are much better options. The interface is also unimaginative - a darker less functional version of iTunes.
- Angus Neil
from iPhone
Love Spotify. It's simplicity is a strong point IMO. Angus is it true we7 plays an advert before every song?
- Roland Harvey
from iPhone
Roland, I agree its relatively simple to use but it doesn't give you the visual experience or easy to use but advanced features (such as queueing up a playlist, creating a personal playlist, one click purchase, sharing/embedding etc) that We7 does. Also, having a number of computers (home mac, work pc, netbook ubuntu), flexibility for me is key - when I can stream any music I want in...
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- Angus Neil
it'd be 50k plus one a day if they'd make it available to us yanks.
- motownmutt
Can't get spotify in Italy- even with an invite - but what about http://grooveshark.com ? their catalogue is unbelievable !!
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
on beach @lakemichigan, lst days of vacation so sweet #vacation
Wow, I just saw something stealth coming out at TechCrunch's real time Crunchup on Friday that's going to bring blogging back. Big time.
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http://www.techcrunch.com/real-ti... is the CrunchUp. Stick around for the after lunch session. Very cool.
- Robert Scoble
i thought rubel said blogging was dead? :)
- Allen Stern
Do Tell!
- Bill Heslin
Allen: Steve Rubel will bring his blog back after Friday.
- Robert Scoble
wow nice
- Allen Stern
Bill: I can't tell, agreed to an embargo, but you're already getting a preview. Just think about your blog now (or mine). :-)
- Robert Scoble
Oh shoot..this is Real time web..can't wait till Friday
- Bill Heslin
Blogging was dead?
- Ara Pehlivanian
Real Time is where it's at.
- Robert Scoble
too bad sites like mine can't be ready to post about it :(
- Allen Stern
Ara: have I blogged this week? If I had what is coming on Friday I would blog a lot more.
- Robert Scoble
Uhmmm tablet tablet...
- Francisco Espinoza
FriendFeed Pro?
- Chris Saad
<pops thread out>
- Curtis Jackson
Allen: embargoes suck. I know. But you should be one of the first sites to use this.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed Pro....oh no please :S
- Francisco Espinoza
i dont even have an embargo robert - oh well, no worries
- Allen Stern
Shhh...nobody tell Steve Rubel.
- Judd6149
Oooooh! like that Chris...FF Pro
- Bill Heslin
Chris: no. Not FriendFeed Pro. Although if FriendFeed were smart they'd buy the company after Friday.
- Robert Scoble
Data Portability Exporter 1.0 ? :-P
- Allen Stern
blogging never died. Some things make it easier and better. http://posterous.com
- Dj Skunk Diesel
Oh your bad Robert...lol....
- Bill Heslin
Allen: there is a lot of data portability in what I saw, yes.
- Robert Scoble
i think Data Portability is the future :D </obvious statement>
- Chris Saad
Dj: it is going to be interesting to see how this changes people's approach to blogging and Tumblr/Posterous.
- Robert Scoble
Dj: it is going to be very interesting to talk with Steve Rubel on Friday afternoon after the demo.
- Robert Scoble
it's the first ever virtual blogging tool - you just imagine your posts and they appear!
- Allen Stern
Allen: I imagine that you appear and you do, how do you do that? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Another service of "tumblog"?
- Francisco Espinoza
He's funny like dat...lol...
- Bill Heslin
oh i just bought guy's package - i have hired a team of allen's - for example, i am the evening shift allen (allen2.1 internally) - the night allen arrives at 11pm (allen 4.2 internally)
- Allen Stern
Am I that far behind? Why is blogging dead, and by real time you are talking about more than live stream video?
- Justin "JDOG" Marks
Hmmm. Sounds like FF benefits from this.
- Nick in Manila
Nick: FriendFeed might benefit, yes. JDOG: we are talking about real time text. Just like here.
- Robert Scoble
Allen: you are cracking me up. So fun! =)
- Miiko Mentz
from iPhone
miiko - sometimes we all need to smile, that's my job as Allen2.1
- Allen Stern
Allen: personally I like the morning shift better. Since I'm in London I'll go to sleep now and wait for him to show up.
- Robert Scoble
Got it: real time text stream = "blog." Blogging is dead; long live blogging!!
- Tom Guarriello
remember when techCrunch said they were gonna break embargoes... you should, too
- Marco
aah still in london! get off ff and have some fun
- Allen Stern
Allen: I was off FriendFeed all day!
- Robert Scoble
How can you bring something back that isn't gone. Have you seen the WordPress growth numbers? They have been very consistent and very impressive for many, many months.
- Missionary Broadcasting
Missionary: well, I have definitely left a lot of my blogging due to real time interactions like these, but I don't have page views to worry about.
- Robert Scoble
Now ur both making me laugh. Good times!
- Miiko Mentz
from iPhone
Can we mere mortals watch it online
- Mark
Mark: I don't know about video, but I'm sure that the second this gets announced it will be discussed on FriendFeed to death.
- Robert Scoble
miiko - be nice or i get out the voodoo doll!
- Allen Stern
Thanks Robert. I'm starting to "get it" just thinking how to implement this in my niche
- Justin "JDOG" Marks
I just add a lot of this other stuff to the blogging I'm already doing. Most savvy bloggers are doing the same thing. They sort of all fit together in my world.
- Missionary Broadcasting
it's after 3am in London
- Ian May
somehow this feels like a test of the "tc50 and demo broadcast system" - im sure we will see more of these "oh hot damn i just saw x but i cant talk about it until y" posts come sept.
- Allen Stern
Allen, why do companies talk to people about products and then tell them they must tell no one about it? I mean, since no one can talk about it, no extra excitement is generated? I don't really get it
- Mark
Allen, gotta luv the voodoo doll. ;)
- Miiko Mentz
from iPhone
@Allen, to give the individual an opportunity to form an opinion and write a well thought out article when the service launches.
- Darren
Mark, tomorrow's event will be streamed live. Hopefully it all goes smoothly.
- Miiko Mentz
from iPhone
Mark - embargoes give writers a chance to test and play before the tool goes live - so the posts should be better than just press release copy - i rarely ever mention a product before it goes live - scoble likes to build excitement about what he sees. i just wish that more companies learned that excluisves are bad for startups
- Allen Stern
Thanks Allen
- Mark
Mark: PR people tell me they use embargoes so that they can brief a large number of people without pissing anyone off. If I wrote about this stealth company tonight, for instance, lots of other journalists would get pissed off at the company. Some, like TechCrunch, even refuse to write about companies if they aren't given equal access. It also, like Allen says, gives writers a chance to produce videos and test out products so they can write more authoritatively about them.
- Robert Scoble
So its largely to stop competing blogs, sites etc from complaining that Site X got earlier access than Site Y for example?
- Mark
Robert/Allen, well said. Mark, in theory, yes. But it doesn't always work out that way.
- Miiko Mentz
from iPhone
So what was all the fuss Arrington was making last year about embargoes? Didn't he say he would violate every single one?
- Mark
I can't wait to hear about it!
- Joshua M
Mark: Arrington just said he reserves the right to break embargoes when he wants. Usually if the company deals with him straight up he'll agree to the embargo. What I hate are companies that give some people special deals. Apple does this all the time, which is why I never go to Apple press conferences anymore.
- Robert Scoble
a good example of poor choices are YC startups - they go to tc/sent to tc/etc and miss so many more opportunities for coverage - works well for TC tho - they always get a HN frontpage.
- Allen Stern
Hint?
- Scott Williams
from BuddyFeed
scott - he said "after lunch" so check which startups are presenting after lunch lol
- Allen Stern
Notes like this really make me long to be in the Bay area. One day Sheryl and I will move there. It's our plan.
- Ken Camp
Thank you Backtype for bringing this to me. I can't wait to hear about whatever this is.
- Steve Rubel
Robert how will we know when this thing your talking about is public? How will you update us?
- Chris Saad
@Chris - you won't miss it. He will be on a unicorn that everyone is talking about. JK - looking forward to this
- Steve Rubel
@Steve haha true
- Chris Saad
Can't wait to hear more. I hope it's a tool to make it easy to aggregate content into blog posts -- that's what I've been wishing for lately. Sometimes I have up to ten browser tabs open to pull in all the urls, images, videos and quotes I want to include in a new blog post.
- Andy Kaplan-Myrth
cool ... buzz .... buzzz!!! :)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
It will be interesting to see what it is. Maybe my guest bloggers will cover the story. I am on a worklife summer break! Blogger since '02.
- Martin Lindeskog
Robert Blogging has never gone away! Not in my book.
- Sandra Large
Scoble, are you referring to LazyFeed ?
- Ahsan Ali
We here at Posterous are looking forward to the announcement. Innovation is always great -- can't wait to see what's going down on Friday.
- Garry Tan
Sounds a lot like LazyFeed: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- twitscoop
Just what we need!
- ZuDfunck
Lazyfeed sounds like a combo of feedly and backtype, with categories
- Ahsan Ali
Blogging straight from my brain coming tomorrow! Hook me up!
- Michael Buechele
@Michael For the love of gods, don't invoke Zobzee!
- Sam Harrelson
All this is making me wish Friday comes sooner. For me it will be another 24 hours away as I presume @Scoble is referring to US PST.
- Vinko
Robert! U R such a TEASE! *giggle*
- Arleen Anderson
hmmm I wonder what this is....
- Marko Saric
I guess it's this: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... ... The WordPress Jabber client
- Marko Saric
SoundCloud is up for three awards tonight at TechCrunch Europas (I will be there handing out awards). More details on Europe startup awards:
Jeff Delezen, Dobromir Hadzhiev, Ozgur Duru and philos liked this
This is TechCrunch's European awards and celebration. Here's details: http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
I will be handing out awards, along with a bunch of others from the Traveling Geeks tour.
- Robert Scoble
If SoundCloud is a representative sample, Europe is really coming out with some innovative things.
- Robert Scoble
the music on the ustream is drowning out the presenters
- Allen Stern
Allen: it starts in 30 minutes from what I remember. I'm on my way over there now.
- Robert Scoble
SoundCloud guys are great, the service is really really good
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
although what's with the numbers, looks like only 100-sth care about the event anyway?
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
robert - butcher had people presenting their startups when i checked in (im not watching now)
- Allen Stern
This weekend in London is http://musichackday.org/ -- tons of musicians are coming to London to hack music apps.
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I like the sound of it
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
@gaberivera isn't Twitter's verified accounts program supposed to address that?
Rackspace competitor ServInt on Rackspace: http://blog.servint.net/2009... Wow.
sean andersen, Rob Diana, Tyson Key and 17 other people liked this
Yeah wow. What an incredibly classy article.
- Chris Foley
Yeah, every Rackspace employee I've talked with around the world today feels punched in the gut because of the downtime we've had. Not a good two weeks.
- Robert Scoble
It's an amazing group of people working here, though, and watching them go through a tough time makes me realize just how good they are.
- Robert Scoble
I"m sure. Nothing you can do but move on.
- Mike White
It puts in focus how one should run a business. I am also a Rackspace customer.
- Sean Powell
No, and I'm sure that's a terrible situation for both Rackspace and their customers, resellers, et al. One point made well by Reed Caldwell in that ServInt article is that any negativity-based sales pitch/promos are inconsistent with keeping the customers' best interests in mind. This goes double for political campaigns.
- Chris Foley
Mike and Sean: yup, it's a real time for us to look in the mirror and question everything we're doing. I'd hate to be the team running the datacenter because so many people's businesses and careers are on their shoulders. Real responsibility isn't easy to bear.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: I know I'll never even consider doing such a campaign in the future and if ServInt ever has troubles I'll be the first one on the phone offering help.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's pretty brutal, but what can you do? Keep your nose down and keep moving forward. If I remember correctly it was caused by a fire, no? It's not your fault.
- Mike White
Mike: nah, the fire was in one of our competitors (we weren't the only one with downtime the past two weeks) but our two incidents were power related.
- Robert Scoble
Incidentally, if it makes you feel any better Robert, I've learned a lot from your feed, comments, and likes here on FriendFeed. You've been instrumental in my web tech awareness. Peanuts, i know. But I appreciate you.
- Mike White
Robert - as much as these outages hurt us, we know what it means to our customers (many of whom have become our friends). It is painful. But we getter better by experiencing it, and working through it. It gives us an even greater sense of urgency to not let it happen again. People don't work at Rackspace - they make it an avocation! :) We will continue to get better, and will always put customers before Rackers, and Rackers before selves. THAT is what makes us a great company.
- Rob La Gesse
Very classy and good use of social media.
- Jeff Haynie
Big thumbs up for ServInt for writing that piece. I'm sure many others tried to kick you while you were down.
- manielse
Thanks for the kind words everyone. It's nice to see camaraderie in our industry!
- ServInt
Alfresco, enterprise content mgment http://m.kyte.tv/ch...
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got a link to them Robert?
- Mark Essel
Here ya go, Mark ;-) http://tr.im/rxWi
- Marlin Forbes
Hey Scoble- :-)
- Rocky Barbanica
Robert thank you sir, after a quick browse i'm still not 100% clear on what they do. Buy I'm intellectually lazy this morning. Something support wise for a big company, doc database?
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
From the looks of it it's an enterprise level content server. It aggregates, stores, indexes, etc all the data that is fed into it or it can retrieve, provides a CMS frontend, and also endpoints for applications to get to the data easily.
- Marlin Forbes
Great article by @dozba at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... which calls out the ridiculous reporting by tech press on Google Chrome OS
NRU @sbostedor asked, is different because it uses the compass in new iPhone to show what you are walking toward.
Interesting discussion at London's newspaper, Guardian, about future of media. @JayRosen_nyu, what do you think? http://www.guardian.co.uk/media...
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Ask the Guardian for evidence that Google is robbing them of their livelihood, as stated by their CEO last month.
- Mel Buckpitt
Mel: there isn't any evidence. Sometimes people are bombastic to just make news.
- Robert Scoble
Great use of "bombastic" :-)
- Crystal Clear
This example of media from them leaves a lot to be desired. http://www.guardian.co.uk/footbal...
- Shaun Trennery
Robert, it is more than bombastic when their Media Group’s CEO Carolyn McCall attacks Google at a UK Government inquiry into the future of media, saying that “That’s our copyright, and they don’t spend a penny on journalism at all—they just make money from ours.” without providing a shred of evidence to support the fact. This doesn't say much for the integrity of media group at the Guardian.
- Mel Buckpitt
Mel: I agree, but some business people see an opportunity to put a metaphorical gun to the head of another business. This is one of those cases, it seems to me.
- Robert Scoble
Matt Wells Guardian Media Podcast is a great and highly entertaining podcast on media for quite some time now. I think the Guardian 'gets it' when it comes to digital. I hope they will survive the transformation - listening to the podcast now...
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
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- Kevin Gamble
I don't think Google is robbing media of their livelihood, since they wouldn't make more without them. But I agree with the notion that they are making money from their work. Sometimes it requires significant amount of time and money to create news article, and then aggregators just take the headline and an excerpt from the article, and what they provide back is nothing more but a link....
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- Peter Sedik
Why did Google announce Chrome OS this week? Well, of course, Microsoft has a big announcement coming on Monday (I'm embargoed).
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It'll be interesting to discuss both announcements too, and what they mean for each other.
- Robert Scoble
Is this that internet clipboard that Ray Ozzie demoed a few years ago? Maybe they've completed it!
- Diego Barros
I hope to see something good come out of this. Are they saying free or paid for the Chrome OS?
- Anthony Timberlake
That's my Scoble - seeing things behind the things!
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
*raises eyebrow* Interesting. I applaud more competition
- Mo Kargas
*squee*
- Clark Baumgartner
I'm intrigued!
- Daynah
Diego, no, it's one of Microsoft's primary businesses. Did you know Microsoft has 14 billion dollar businesses?
- Robert Scoble
Related to Microsoft's Gazelle browser? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
- Kiran Patchigolla
Windows 7 GPL 3.0 ?? Brouahahaa:-)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Microsoft isn't doing too bad lately.
- Eric Florenzano
cool, im thinking its a special version of windows 7 for netbooks?
- sean percival
Anthony: I'm sure it will be free.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I'm sure they do. As I'm sure IBM does. But I don't care about IBM. :)
- Diego Barros
BingOS?
- imabonehead
imabonehead :D
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
imabonehead: no. :-) Microsoft isn't that disruptive.
- Robert Scoble
And that means Google Is doing well once again, doesn't it?
- Markingegno - Donato
from Android
The Chrome OS will be for netbooks and such for now. And is Microsoft announcing the Free One Care?
- Dylan Richardson
haha BingOS! I like it
- Diego Barros
Bingo yes :)
- Kiran Patchigolla
*chuckles at imabonehead*
- Daynah
LOL BingOS! The startup sound will be Ballmer saying "BING!" like he did at AllThingsD conference.
- Paul Salzman
Bing-OS was his name-o!
- Daynah
Hmm...Monday...most probably, the pricing for Azure.
- Sanat Gersappa
Bingos <--- that was his name-o
- Micah Wittman
GoogleOS is already out - "It's the browser" - the GNU/Linux/Ubuntu skin is just marketing...
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
*high fives Daynah*
- Micah Wittman
An open source OS - how much stable will it be??
- Palak Mathur
Question is Robert, if you are not allowed to say, how on earth did Google find out?
- Sandra Large
Bingo-sssss
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Micah, we're on the same google brain wave tonight. :)
- Daynah
Palak - you troll
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Ride the wave :D
- Micah Wittman
Sandra: it might just be coincidence. Or maybe they have great spies. Depends on your view of the world, huh?
- Robert Scoble
Microsoft is open-sourcing their code too??? Yeah, didn't think so. :)
- Josh Fraser
Josh: part of the Microsoft announcement on Monday runs on Google Chrome (and Firefox for that matter).
- Robert Scoble
Not all "open-sourcing" is created equal.
- Micah Wittman
Maybe Microsoft is making it's secret announcement this week cause they knew Google was about to announce?
- Alan W Silberberg
Robert - say no more, don't get into trouble, Duder.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Thats real funny Josh .. Its like pulling teeth to get them to give a discount on anything.
- Dylan Richardson
Alan: maybe! It all depends on how you look at the world, doesn't it?
- Robert Scoble
Nice Cant Wait!
- James Hunter
It just seems to coincidental. Like President of Iran making big speech during MJ's funeral!
- Alan W Silberberg
Scoble the only MS announcement they could make that would blow me away is Windows 7 Early release.
- Dylan Richardson
Dylan: Microsoft has a few other impressive things up its sleeve.
- Robert Scoble
ok...possibilities 1) Azure pricing/Go Live 2) Web version of MS-Office (Ajax/Silverlight) 3) Win7 NetBook edition. I love major announcements :-)
- Sanat Gersappa
So the question is now that Google's making an OS, will Eric Schmidt resign from Apple's Board?
- Paul Salzman
It's all just ones and zeros. ;)
- Victor Panlilio
So, do we give Calacanis credit for calling a Google OS back in 2006? http://calacanis.com/2006...
- Mike Doeff
Sanat: insightful. Paul: Google makes a smart phone OS, and he hasn't resigned, so why would he now?
- Robert Scoble
Zune HD. Looks nice for the first time ever I'm thinking about it.
- Dylan Richardson
Google is talking about it's goals at this point. Isn't Intel trying a netbook OS too that boots fast? It'll be interesting to see which OS features win out here with different implementations. Is instant on to the browser the key or will some other feature shine? Fun times ahead, though really need to see things in action.
- Loren Heiny
from iPhone
Dylan: sorry, that is dead on arrival. They should have combined Zune with a cell phone.
- Robert Scoble
I got a screen photo here: http://ff.im/4WoVE, I don't have much comments yet due 2 that I am using it now, its not much of an announcement.
- polou/indigo_bow
Robert, Zune with a phone hmmm??? I hope ur rite as u said ur embargoed!
- polou/indigo_bow
Gazelle?
- carrotmadman6
MS does not have the Balls to take on the iPhone.
- Dylan Richardson
Wait for Monday. Nothing else to say.
- Frédéric Sidler
from iPhone
Robert, because they claim to excuse him from the part of the meetings related to iPhone...computer OS is arguably the biggest segment of Apple. I guess he can stick around for the hardware discussions. I know my argument is elementary, but maybe walking a line here?
- Paul Salzman
What was the last big hit new MS product?
- James Watters
But if they did that would be cool competition is always better for the consumer.
- Dylan Richardson
James: Xbox? Dynamics? Bing?
- Robert Scoble
Apple is not really what I will be looking at Android is the big boy here
- polou/indigo_bow
MS Office on the browser would also explain why GMail and Google Apps are finally out of Beta today too.
- Ron Schott
Xbox
- polou/indigo_bow
OH OH Project Natal is coming out!! lol j/k
- Dylan Richardson
Robert: Thanks, wasn't hating, just looking for organic momentum from products. Bungie was def a godsend to 360. Bing proved Seth Godin wrong which I greatly enjoyed.
- James Watters
@Robert Scoble: So I looked up Microsoft's last quater's financial report, Microsoft does indeed have a $14 billion business :)
- Long Zheng
Bing is nice I have to say. Here is how I use it .. If I want to Buy or shop a price I use Bing. If I need info its Google.
- Dylan Richardson
MS better fix the %$^#%@^ Gumblar hole first, it's apparently worse than Conficker -- http://rixstep.com/2...
- Victor Panlilio
MS also has ~6+ B in R&D, is it efficient?
- James Watters
Not new news, but it could be the launch of Silverlight 3.0? Offline mode and all the other nice bits, runs on Chrome and Firefox.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Oh, really? When I get something on embargo...I don't write about getting it under embargo. Come on, Robert. You're better than that. Or at least I hope you are.
- Andrew Feinberg
I agree @travis, but google make it like a news
- polou/indigo_bow
James: it doesn't matter, a company like Microsoft needs a product pipeline to remain relevant. Research lets Microsoft remain relevant and on Monday you'll see a bit of how it does that.
- Robert Scoble
OK. Google Chrome OS. Netbook makers say Linux based Netbooks have high return rates. How will people react to a Netbook that only runs a browser? Linux has remained niche.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Andrew: sometimes you have to take a risk. This is one of those times.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I will look forward to it. We ALL win when great software comes to the market. Almost nothing better in the world.
- James Watters
14 billion, maybe Office that runs on Silverlight, therefore in the browser properly.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Do you all think GoogleOS will just boot up right into the browser? Browser will be in firmware?
- Paul Salzman
BTW, Robert, will Microsoft finally dump IE and develop a Webkit based browser? (Forget Gazelle. Yet another stupid Microsoft research project that will never successfully make it mainstream.)
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Paul: no highly unlikely.
- James Watters
Dileepa: I don't know the answer to that. But the demos on Monday (I have a bunch of video coming) were shown to me in Firefox. So maybe that's our answer right there.
- Robert Scoble
James: so you think it will sit on top of Linux or something? Or just be a new flavor of Linux?
- Paul Salzman
Linux flavor of Chrome, thus far not arrived yet
- polou/indigo_bow
Paul: I'd look at Android as a precursor and say yes its going to use a google refined linux kernel, and I believe the post even says a windowing system. I'll check TC again to be sure brb.
- James Watters
Paul: I bet there will be some customization of Linux underneath Google's Chrome OS. I'm intrigued and can't wait to see what they will do with it.
- Robert Scoble
Google says the software architecture will basically be the current Chrome browser running inside “a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel.” (quoting TC)
- James Watters
I can almost bet that its web based Microsoft Office with some nifty real-time collaboration features.
- sameer
Sameer - I agree. Explains cross-browser compatability
- Daniel Lazarides
from iPhone
"a new windowing system" leaves the door open for a greater level of abstraction away from the kernel for sure. Probably still with some access to files, devices, etc on the local hardware though which a browser alone would be a clumsy solution too.
- James Watters
If Microsoft's BIG announcements are Web based Office (already demo'ed and announced), Windows Azure RTW (nothing unexpected) or Windows 7 RTM (already announced to be announced!), there is nothing that's going to surprise people on Monday then.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
I think Wave might be integrated into the OS.
- Jayasimhan Masilamani
Dileepa: Windows7i -- the Cloud OS from MS
- Paul Salzman
Jaya: Like as a built in extension to the windowing system? Like IE and explorer?
- James Watters
@Alex Will they be able to match Open Source strategies as followed by Ubuntu,etc??
- Palak Mathur
just another rehashed disaster of windows in another marketing created packing
- Zac Bowling
Dileepa - They haven't talked much about collaboration using Office web. There was one OneNote demo that showed some realtime synchronization. I'm thinking more Wave-like realtime features.
- sameer
Zac: I'm going to believe Robert, but lets give him hell if this is marketing glossy! :)
- James Watters
Paul Salzman: Windows 7i with WGA! -- works only when accessed through IE when running on a WGA validated copy of Windows.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Dileepa: that's it, we've called it! ;)
- Paul Salzman
Robert you managed to convert a complete google night into a complete MS night :)
- Kiran Patchigolla
James: it's been a while since I've felt compelled to do more than five videos at a Microsoft press conference. See ya on Monday.
- Robert Scoble
sameer: That will be mimicking existing Google Docs feature. Google Wave is at a completely different level and I am not sure if Microsoft is up to doing something like that.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Till Monday it is, I'm thinking I'll even blog it.
- James Watters
Wave might act as the collaboration platform on the OS. But that leads to another question. Will the OS be tied to Google accounts for login?
- Jayasimhan Masilamani
Dileepa: Let's see, I think there's potential for implementation of realtime collaboration across the web based and desktop offerings of Office that could be of big mainstream impact. It's got to be something related to Office, Robert talks about the "$14 billion business" - The only other Microsoft business I know of that's that big is Windows.
- sameer
sameer: I said that Microsoft has 14 billion dollar businesses. Plural, not singular, but I also said it was one of Microsoft's primary businesses. That narrows it down a bit, yes.
- Robert Scoble
My guess is a MS hardware that will shake the netbook market!!
- Krishnan Subramanian
So that's a Win7 RTM announcement, combined with Web Office. If Web Office will be free to use, the combination of W7 Starter with Web Office will be a huge notebook hit.
- donor
If ChromeOS was meant to counter MS, then the logical MS announcement would be some kind of OS project, like maybe a combination of Microsoft Singularity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... ) combined with Silverlight for NetBooks or mobiles.
- Ray Cromwell
MS Web Office for sure: Scoble said it runs on Chrome and Firefox and it's a multi billion business. Actually, MS Office accounted for 18-19B $ in 2008.
- Jérôme Flipo
I fear that if the tech side of their release if good (but whatever the pricing), Google Apps isn't ready for the fight.
- Jérôme Flipo
Microsoft announces the cloud OS? I'm still not sure about a Google OS though.
- Burcu Dogan
Web Office in Silverlight, together with a mobile version that means we get Silverlight on WinMo and maybe even IPhone would be a win for me
- Ian Blackburn
I cannot wait...:-) but I DO have a clue...
- Eric Denekamp
Lots of people suggesting Office-in-browser but if that were it why would Robert be under embargo given they've already announced it and demo'd it? I'm not saying it ISN'T Office-in-browser but if it is then something doesn't add up!
- Jamie
Good point Jamie - the two primary business in MS are Office and Windows (in terms of revenue anyway), so perhaps this is more to do with a Windows OS in the cloud? How would that look?
- Ian Blackburn
Midori perhaps? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Jamie
Initially, Google VS Live, Then Chrome Vs IE & Google Vs Bing, finally its Windows VS Chrome OS
- Michael_techie
Ummm... are they announcing an online version of MS Office like Google Docs?
- prolificdyslexic
that's why I do not subscribe to Scoble - too many comments on his articles, too much noise
- Павел Романовский
I don't see any noise in here. Interesting conversation!
- Robert Scoble
The MS guy at Portland Cloud Camp said Azure was going to be released very, very <wink, wink> soon. #cloudcampPDX
- Gary Walter
All google apps platform out of beta yesterday, now Chrome Os.. Is definitely the answer to Seven + Silverlight/OfficeOnLine Monday ;)
- Lucio Riccardi
from iPhone
@gwalter You’re maybe right. The front end would be MS Gazelle, and the back end would be Azure.
- Bram Pitoyo
Microsoft is finally putting the Zune out of it's (and out) misery and killing it? :)
- Diego Barros
Office Web Apps release to public beta is well overdue - first promised for end of 2008. If this is embargoed then it must involve something new. ScottGu hinted that Silverlight 4 was already in development. SL3 is released this Friday. So maybe SL4 will be released,in beta with a beta of Office Web Apps showing some SL4 features (like more AIR like features)..
- Joe Wood
It seems like "too late" and illogical for Microsoft to come-up with another vendor-lock-in type innovation and expect positive results. Microsoft is not run by daredevils nor wimps. The announcement Robert talking about might be about a web based productivity application suite, which is standards compliant and offers a familiar interface and workflow for people, thus easily adoptable and steal competitors' (G, Y!, Zoho, 37S, Adobe?, etc.) user base.
- Berk D. Demir
The thing thats got me shitting my pants over all this is Games. I need Windows to play all the latest Direct X 10 and 11 games. Linux is hopeless in that regard.
- Mark
Audience in here is mainly composed of technically inclined, early adopters. We feel comfortable with online apps and mainly ready to ditch (or already ditched) many offline applications in favor of our new toys. OTOH, that's a huge paradigm shift for the other majority of less technically inclined and incomparably bigger masses. Microsoft still have the power to lead masses, create...
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- Berk D. Demir
Interesting discussion! I vote for MS Office online !
- Krishnamoorthy.K
I commented in istartedsomething on Long Zheng theories with this list. so why not here after having read all of Scoble responses?: Safe Guesses (not crazy): 1.- Office Ensemble (Office Web Apps + Office Live Update) and a Office 2010 public CTP (the most likely one) 2.-Microsoft Online Services gets full release along with a full release of Windows Azure while one of the new Data...
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from FriendFoo
i crammed a lot of guesses that may not have to do with the announcement so maybe robert could say warm or hot to the whole list without having to specify. :P
- Avatar X
I vaguely recollect listening to the GIllmor Gang in June/July 2008 where Robert said he'd just visited Microsoft Research and seen "an amazing new browser". If memory serves me correctly it was said in the context of mobile devices but who knows.....this may be another contender for Monday's announcement!
- Jamie
Anything related to Midori ? http://technologizer.com/2008...
- Krishnamoorthy.K
Microsoft has already made their counter-move to a Google OS. It's called Windows Azure. It'll serve apps to the Google OS with ease and MS will make money in the process. Yeah, I know today the money be nowhere near what the Windows OS makes, but while the Google OS is gaining traction as a desktop OS, Azure will be gaining traction as an app hosting platform for that very same Google OS and others.
- Jeff Weber
More spam news will come in. Azure, Mirot ha ha ha
- Michael_techie
just another social network (where the IE users might hang out)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Another huge innovation like renaming Bing?
- Burcu Dogan
Google is initially going after netbooks via a new OpenSource OS. If Microsoft's Next Big Thing is Azure then they are betting that a locked-in cloud-based OS will trump Google's move. It's gonna be VEHLEY INTELESTING to see this play out.
- J.D. Deutschendorf
launching online enabled MS Office, free and beta
- Павел Романовский
I really hope it's not anything Silverlight related, some one is on crack if they think the end game is everything running in a plugin in a browser.
- Scott Kahler
Tease. Tease. :)
- Charlie Anzman
Robert, they'd better have more than a few "14 billion dollar" businesses. Their market cap is 200 billion for heaven's sake.
- Stephen Pickering
sorry, have to ask. did it make you cry? :)
- dannysullivan
does this mean google=novell?
- Eran Even-Kesef
Made the news onto electricpig your announcement!
- Giraffes Up in The Air
Dr. Schmidt HAS to resign from the Apple board... too many conflicts of interest (iPhone v Android, Chrome OS v OS X, Chrome v Safari). What could he possibly be adding that can't be obtained through someone else?
- Gerald Buckley
You are in Palo Alto? I am in Mendocino. :)
- J.Deakins
pricing of Azure will definitily be one of the announcements; not the BIG one. Office online perhaps...
- Jeroen De Miranda
Very interesting indeed. Chrome OS sounds like a great companion to Windows on a netbook+ device, for those times when you do need instant web/email. Looking forward to your videos!
- Will Johnson
Since the event on monday is WPC I'm guessing that Steve Balmer will present MS view on future of the Enterprise and showing off some of what Ray Ozzie has been working on. Coming full circle with Azure (computing infrastructure), Mesh (powering collaboration), SilverLight (future of runtime enviroments on all platforms) and of course all of this software+services has to be powered by Windows Enterprise Servers on the back end.
- Daniel Chow
Also the new Office is the first application to launch under the above stack. Scoble, did I get anywhere close to any of the embargoed announcements? :)
- Daniel Chow
Robert - Was GLADoS based on you? ;)
- Matthew DeVries
What do you think? How long will the Apple-Google Friendship last? http://friendfeed.com/applero...
- Hans Kainz
They are going to announce the release of IE 9 - the even worse with net standards addition.
- Bobby Griffith
Windows 7 Home/Business/Ultimate Netbook Edition. Each with different capabilities and things disabled for no reason other than to confuse users and make more money.
- Scott Koon
heh - i know now what the announcement is and i am not embargoed - i should make a post :)
- Allen Stern
Go for it, Allen! Inquiring minds want to know!
- Rudy Amid
Well if you do know, you owe it to your readers to report the news,
- Mark
Mark - That's if you see tech journalists (which I don't think Robert even classifies himself as) as true hard hitting journalists (think woodward and burnstein, ed Murrow) or if you think of them in the vein of Sports writers. Sports writers, like tech writers, need to foster relationships and have their names known and have to cross closer into the friendzone to get us the day to day...
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- Matthew DeVries
Mark: sorry, I signed an embargo. That's the way these things go and I'm not willing to burn this relationship, sorry. You'll know on Monday. Matthew is exactly right. And even with Woodward and Burnstein, they played this game. You didn't know who Deep Throat was, even though that was news too.
- Robert Scoble
Not even going to go for the Deep Throat joke... I swear, I'm not going to... :p
- Bill Heslin
what announcement?
- kang
I didn't mean Robert should report it. I meant Allen Stern who commented he was not under an embargo. He knows it, he has no NDA, he should report it.
- Mark
RT Allen Stern "heh - i know now what the announcement is and i am not embargoed - i should make a post :)"
- Mark
I hope its not Gazelle. If it is I respect Robert for abiding by the embargo. It seems as though no one in tech abides by embargoes any more. If it is Gazelle, might as well discuss since it is all over the tech blogs already.
- Keith Beucler
As they keep it under the blanket till now! It should be software only thingy! speculations about xbox, zune phone etc are free to leave!
- Amir
It's not Gazelle. At least I don't think so, because I have no clue what Gazelle is. I'm off to find out.
- Robert Scoble
Ahh, nope, what I was thinking of is not Gazelle. But now that I see the rumors I wonder if Microsoft has more than one major announcement on Monday?
- Robert Scoble
My Guess: They enabled Live Mesh Web Desktop to run applications, So in future all applications are going to be hosted in Live Mesh
- Amir
maybe i want use chrome all day,,just for internet surfing
- qian
Hey Robert, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being an announcement that version 8.1 of IE includes a better spell-checker, and 10 being that Windows 8 is coming out in 2010 and is free, how many out of 10 is the announcement going to be in terms of having an impact?
- Mark
btw I have had this single chrome window open for about a week, and because each tab has its own process I don't get memory leaks like with firefox.
- Mark
Does unmodded, unaddon'd firefox leak?
- Matthew DeVries
Not sure to be honest
- Mark
So there could be your difference.
- Matthew DeVries
Mark: that's hard to judge. I'd say 6.9 based on how you framed it.
- Robert Scoble
Is this something that will go over well on Wall Street?
- Michael Fidler
Well, today Microsoft announced the promotion of Steven Sinofsky to president of the Windows Division.
- imabonehead
Robert ur (face) a hit today in the news outlets: http://lifehacker.com/5310444...
- polou/indigo_bow
Sounds very interesting :)
- Sweetzspot
I hope Google comes up with a great OS. I have tried any different Linux versions on my netbook but have never found the perfect one. Looks like they have connected the right partners as well so I am very excited. 9 0ut 10 for me. This could change everything
- Asgeir
TechCrunch on Scoblelizer's drumroll: "Office In Cloud Comes Monday" http://bit.ly/18sKUe
- JimmyJet
it will be a sigh of release for people come to fear those massive, massive office purchase/downloads. still a pain for when you travel and have no access online though...
- Terry O'Fee
While Google's forays in the OS and office productivity arenas are great for consumer choice, are they playing w/ fire? Google's core revenue stream is search, which has a much lower switching cost than any of MS's multiple revenue streams: Client, Office, Server. It seems like the two are pitching for a protracted fight that could be costly to both. But in a battle of attrition, it seems to me that Google could lose $ faster than MS.
- lingb
Windows ME Ultimate?
- Michael Funk
The loser with Google's OS announcement? Tariq Krim. He has a very cool netbook OS, Jolicloud, that won't get traction now.
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Jolicloud is a netbook OS built around social networking, but now that everyone will hang out waiting for Google's effort his system is going to find it tough to get traction. At least that's my theory. http://www.jolicloud.com/ is the web page for Jolicloud.
- Robert Scoble
Wonder if anyone disagrees with my thesis?
- Robert Scoble
i just told that to my roommate. you are right.
- mehdi
Pretty logical conclusion I'd say. But who knows, crazier stuff has happened.
- Geoff Schultz
Hate to see that happen, what if he's is the next "one"?
- James Hunter
my only problem signed up months ago still waiting for an invite I have 2 netbooks and have been looking for a good os for them
- zac_in_ak
Better question -- knowing that Google OS was an inevitability, was the hope for any real traction for Jolicloud realistic?
- Tony Hung
Nope :) It's now going to inflate the valuation of his company as investors recognise they can jump into this early new market. You only lose when no one is talking about you.
- Elias Bizannes
...unless m$ buys out the company to compete in the netbook OS wars.
- imabonehead
Jolicloud is in a good place - acquisition by another big player?
- Matt Mastracci
If it is a truly amazing product it will find a way to succeed.
- Geoff Schultz
I'll have to give it a try. I don't like Ubuntu Remix
- Peter Warnock
His favorite letters might be I,P and O
- James Hunter
interesting with this Google OS thing. so many alternatives. I so want to write my own OS/distro like this Jolicould when I have extra free time.
- Zac Bowling
OUCH - that will surely cause pain for Jolicloud ... 1st to market is soooo key for success
- Susan Beebe
I can see smaller/lighter netbooks, specifically smartbooks running snapdragon & linux, running Google OS
- Rodfather
Susan, counterpoint: look at Classmates vs. Friendster vs. Facebook
- Matt Mastracci
i am not into the netbook market, just thinking to build my own little netbook from old laptop when its getting older.
- polou/indigo_bow
I do not think we are ready for a Cloud OS. I think a cloud workspace maybe but not a full os.
- Dave Mora
Susan: I thought Google OS won't come until second half of 2010. Jolicloud will get here earlier. By the way, being first isn't always a good path to success. Being a fast follower often means more success.
- Robert Scoble
google OS netbooks will come out in 2010 os will be available sooner
- zac_in_ak
I started to say I've already gotten my netbook, but then I remembered I'm waiting for the one from Asus.
- MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)
Everyone is honestly a little netbook crazy. under powered pieces of crap that annoy the hell out of me. I agree with Apple with not targeting this area.
- Zac Bowling
There will be at least comparison with jolicloud. And this is a good point for him.
- Frédéric Sidler
from iPhone
Sory I do not know both products but, both Google OS and Jolicloud are open source? Whoever convince more HW manufacturers to bundle on their netbook than wins (probably Google). Than there is a clear loser here Microsoft. If alternative devices get traction over PC/notebook, MS monopoly on desktop may erode. Well this may well take 10-15 years :)
- Kaan Bingol
Well once us normal people can get our hands on it... he has at least a year or so until we can touch Google's OS.
- Dean Clark
Some of the apps are social in nature, but enough aren't (WINE, VLC, DropBox, etc.) that it doesn't feel like the social aspect is all Tariq is going for. I think he's (wisely) targeted the most popular web apps that just happen to be somewhat social in nature. Who knows? There may be room for both. Just because it comes from Google doesn't mean it'll be a hit (*cough*ORKUT*cough*)
- Brian Baggett
SaaS_OS comes in and derails M$ desktop consumer marketshare.
- C. Jason Mancebo
Tariq Krim will probably need to refocus his efforts and figure out the niche for Jolicloud.
- Loren
Maybe Google should buy Jolicloud and rename it as Chrome OS? They did it with doubleclick and others in the past, why not now?
- Hans Kainz
That's assuming Google Chrome OS will take off ... remember Google Notebook, Google Answers etc ;)
- Nicholas James
I seriously doubt the world is going to breathlessly wait around well into 2010 for Chrome. Sounds like another Linux Dist. put out by a co. that keeps products in beta for years.
- JimmyJet
JimmyNet: Its another Linux dist by the biggest online company out there...using Linux. That's something Ubuntu and Canonical cannot achieve. It also depends on how Chrome OS develops. Right now, it seems to be basically a way to get into the browser and use web-apps, nothing more. That's nothing like current Linux big boys Ubuntu/Fedora who are more like Windows/Mac OS in their structure. Google Chrome OS lives and dies by web-apps, so it seems and that is a double-edged sword.
- Manuel Mas
Was intrigued by Jolicloud and wanted to find out more.....but as soon as I heard about Google Chrome OS, I have to admit I totally forgot about Jolicloud!
- Bonnie
Not sure. If Tariq delivers on the Jolicloud promise, he only needs a couple of telco/operator deals to get bootstrap. Operators are probably happy to have something that can compete with Windows 7 because it will help them negotiate lower license prices. Plus tariq has room to innovate by through better integration with all the best of breed services users/operators really care about. They just raise 4.2M so I would not call them dead until they had the chance to fully launch Jolicloud.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
My company was in the same kind of trouble when Microsoft decided to deliver a product which was doing the same as ours. Microsoft did not sell a single license of it in France, but a lot of our historical partners shifted their attention to Microsoft product. It took them 2 years to discover the product was so flawed that even Microsoft shops would not buy it ... It has hurt us but we survived the storm and are still a proud Microsoft partner :)
- Christophe Pierret
I wonder if Mike Arrington will need to make changes to CrunchPad because of Google's new OS?
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Would be pretty late in the production cycle for that wouldnt it?
- Geoff Schultz
CrunchPad looks pretty similar to Google's OS, very simple, very web centric. I wonder how Google shipping netbook OS will affect Arrington's plans?
- Robert Scoble
Are there pics of the Google OS?
- Jeremy Franklin
Mike is gonna bring out the first Google OS powered hardware ?
- Swaroop
Geoff: yes, but maybe CrunchPad 2.0 would shift because of it?
- Robert Scoble
I don't think the compelling feature of CrunchPad is its OS - it's the form factor. He won't lose anything by putting it on the CrunchPad as soon as it's released.
- Matt Mastracci
hmm, thought that u have 2 plug into the USB and doesn't have much memory on its own? I may be wrong cuz I didn't get much info.
- polou/indigo_bow
I am looking forward to both launching. CrunchPad has a great form factor as well. We haven't seen anything from Google OS yet.
- Louis Gray
Swaroop: I doubt it, because CrunchPad needs touch features.
- Robert Scoble
well it will be open source, so I wouldn't be surprised if the innovations flow both ways - my understanding of the crunchpad is it is also based on Linux - so you might see features merge between both platforms...
- Shannon Clark
Shannon: yeah, I wonder if the CrunchPad OS could be ported to the Google OS? If so, that could be a big win for Mike.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Browser == Java script == Capture Mouse movements == Integrate with Crunchpad hardware ?
- Swaroop
I bet it could, because CrunchPad OS is built on Linux and I bet it won't take much porting work to move it to Google OS.
- Robert Scoble
@All - May be Crunchpad emulator on Google OS :)
- Swaroop
crunchpad is silly and only gets press because its Mike Arrington's baby.
- Zac Bowling
Robert - my point is that potentially as well Google may be porting features from the Crunchpad - the beauty of OS platforms...
- Shannon Clark
Ah, I do like crunchpad much better perfect 4 my Canadian-ness eyes.
- polou/indigo_bow
Zac: I disagree. I want a CrunchPad. It looks interesting to me as a coffee table computer. A poor man's Microsoft Surface.
- Robert Scoble
In any case, I bet Michael's time spent on Crunchpad just went from 75% to 100%. Or at least it should. Getting caught slacking while an opportunity awaits is no good.
- Sam Dodge
Zak from the photos & features descriptions, I'm pretty darn interested in buying a Crunchpad - seems like a very useful formfactor and device
- Shannon Clark
my initial reaction is: "do we need another OS?" even more to the point, Chrome browser is still quite a ways from done (mostly plugin problems) and i've not seen a lot of progress in this area. my suspicion is that the OS will go the same route. big splash on the easy 80%, but slow going on the remainin (difficult) 20% i remain optimistically skeptical.
- MikeAmundsen
I'm pretty sure I'm going to pick up a freelance gig just to purchase a Crunchpad. If only to support Mike and his team as they take a huge leap from reporting on tech to making tech.
- Sam Dodge
Robert: Curious to what's on the coming monday.
- Swaroop
Swaroop: I can't tell you until Monday.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: *Waiting...*
- Swaroop
OS define by Google isn't really an OS at all its like going 2 7-11. Anybody agree or disagree?
- polou/indigo_bow
Oh, you are a tease Robert! Do tell, we won't pass it on, promise! ;)
- Sandra Large
I think that Google Chrome OS lowers the barrier so that a lot of other companies can deliver their own pads. As such it is not a great news for Mike but it also validates the vision so may be a competitor might be interested in acquiring CrunchPad
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Robert: We won't let Google index what you say. nofollow
- Swaroop
Edwin: will CrunchPad ship with a "Google inside" sticker on it? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Time to market is everything....
- Chris Reichow
Robert would they need a chip maker lol
- polou/indigo_bow
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- کاکا حاجی
Robert: we had something like CrunchPad inside TI when I worked there a few years ago. not a resistive touchscreen but it was pretty cool. concept device to pitch the OMAP processors to the hardware vendors we designed in house. Nokia bought into it and created the 770, N800, and N810 devices from that tech.
- Zac Bowling
I think I would want the multi-touch capabilities of Win7 on something like a CrunchPad...
- Christopher Carr
by the way my name is Kaka,thanks
- کاکا حاجی
man i hope he uses it on the crunchpad instead!
- sean percival
With that form factor, it needs a wacom tablet and windows 7.
- Rodfather
I think that the bigger opportunity for the crunchpad is to enable other media companies (not Techcrunch) to buy the technology and create their own pads (everyone wants to replicate the Kindle model for their own content). The problem of Google OS is that it slice the Crunchpad in the middle.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Mashable have an article on: will Google kill Windows? http://mashable.com/2009..., seriously, we need more competition not killing them off!!!
- polou/indigo_bow
Rodfather: I disagree. There's a new opportunity to get rid of installable software and go completely with Internet platforms. That's why CrunchPad, Jolicloud, and Google's OS are so interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Google won't kill Microsoft. They don't need to. They need to open up new opportunities.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I am still scared to put personal data out on the cloud. Is it time already ?
- Swaroop
Robert they need to use cloud, therefore still would not solve the problem of storage.
- polou/indigo_bow
I still want the option :) GoogleOS will run on anything. So it'll naturally make it there.
- Rodfather
They do not need to kill Microsoft but they need to change the terrain of the fight from search to productivity apps and OS and they are doing a good job at it.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, I disagree, what is interesting about the Crunchpad is delivering a form factor that is better for many people than the Kindle (or at least a much better price point) I'm going to get one to use for lots of digital reading. Swaroop - pretty much all of my personal data is already in the cloud - and more secure there than on my computers in an earthquake zone
- Shannon Clark
is there the reason why there r SSL ways 2 purchase or other ways to keep data safe @Swaroop
- polou/indigo_bow
@Shannon. Form factor is cool but that is a pure hardware business, mostly outsourced to asian manufacturers and very thin margin. The software is where the barrier to entry and business models will be.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Shannon: My confidence is shaken when a lot of personal data/docs get exposed due to flaws in software. We just need a "skynet" kind of bot to auto check for vulnerabilities.
- Swaroop
@edwin the software is open source - which means that anyone can use it. the margins, though thin are real if you do hardware right. Sure outsourced, but high design & a competitive price can equal very large sales so small margin still equals decent profits (and sustainable business)
- Shannon Clark
@shannon: so do you mean that Google Chrome OS will not reduce the barrier to entry for companies wanting to create their own XXX pad?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
no I mean the Crunchpad & the GoogleOS are both based on Open Source, so the competitive advantage of the crunchpad is hardware design, not software (as far as I know from what I've read)
- Shannon Clark
polou/indigo_bow: Yes data transfer and storage could be encrypted. We need better identity management too
- Swaroop
yup current identity identification issues r not my favorite, OpenID not all perfect even though I am a big fan of it. Its so hard to work with, grrr @swaroop i could say more but thats all 4 now.
- polou/indigo_bow
unless they have already licensed some of the patents covering the more popular touch idioms using GoogleOS would give them a broad-base multi-touch API to work with that has deeper pockets to fight the patent battles
- Mike Taylor
well this may sound strange - but I suspect more than a few patents could (potentially at least - I'm not a lawyer) be invalidated by prior art in the form of movies like Minority Report (and likely other earlier but less popular SF series & movies) which showed multitouch type of interfaces
- Shannon Clark
more copyrights problems cuz of the mighy $$$. that left the big boys again, isn't it?
- polou/indigo_bow
No mention on price...I wonder if google will go for the free + ads model. Imagine ads running on the desktop, along with annon. usage statistics, how much more will google know?
- Thomas Hunsaker
from Android
@thomas why assume they will run ads in/on the OS - I'd guess that like Android they offer it for free (or for a very marginal cost) to OEM's, bundled with a bunch of default links to Google properties (esp Google search as default) and profit from expanding the number of people & devices connected online. Add in revenues from selling cloud based packages such as Google Apps for Domains and they make money w/o ads on the desktop or privacy issues
- Shannon Clark
Thomas: why wouldn't Google Chrome OS be free?
- Robert Scoble
Thomas: You would have it Google Chrome OS Beta under Google Apps. And yes there will be a lite version where you can only run a single process :)
- Swaroop
Great discussion. I think Mike should not adopt Chrome OS for crunchpad to begin with. I don't even think Chrome OS would be polished by the time he plans to launch crunchpad. I think Crunchpad launch could set the bar and direction for what Google Chrome OS should/could be. In terms of usability, we still don't know how Google Chrome OS could play out. I think different initiatives such as Chrome, Crunchpad and Jolicloud will help this ecosystem,.
- Akshay Dodeja
I'll get a CrunchPad only if Chrome OS is in it
- Hendra
CrunchPad and ChromeOS are fundamentally distinct, seeing as they run completely different browsers (Firefox and Chrome, respectively). They will be able to share apps, though, as Google has stated that apps will work in any HTML 5 browser.
- ...Vezquex
Vezquex: why is the CrunchPad limited to Firefox? When I saw the CrunchPad I saw nothing that would limit it like that and that dependency, if it exists, is probably easily worked around.
- Robert Scoble
LOL... What a leading observation Scoble. Imagine if the Crunchpad will actually RUN the new Google Chrome OS.
- Greg
Robert - my guess is that as Firefox is one of the only browsers currently available for Linux that is what Vezquex is thinking - however with this announcement I suspect we can guess that Google will be announcing Chrome for Linux rather soon (which likely means for Mac OS as well)
- Shannon Clark
Is there a link to the crunchpad? been busy. Or to the google os (more high end centric than android). Nevermind got it here: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Mark Essel
Is there a spin off company now for the crunchpad?
- Mark Essel
maybe he was in on the big secret and crunchpad is the first device running chrome os?
- Servaas Schrama
Thought I read the crunchpad has a webkit browser ... Not firefox - at least not by default.
- Jonathan Greene
from iPhone
I agree with the browser as the OS but why would I want a pad that I have to lift my knees up to see when I can have a lap top that I can tilt the screen to fit any position I fell like stretching out in? The price point is going to have to be low, low, low for this form factor to take off.
- Stephen Pickering
Scoble, Why you want to discuss this, when we have other worries. Running adobe in chrome, UI etc
- Michael_techie
Hello…? reality check. Is there a CrunchPad on the market? Is there a $249.95 CrunchPad on sale? Quit talking of it as it it were a done deal. It it anything but, and the promiseware may yet end up in TC Deadpool before it has shipped a single unit. Takes a bunch of geeks on FF to discuss implications of porting "CrunchPad OS," hell, emulating it even, on Chrome OS, before either has passed into the domain of the real.
- ianf ⌘
@Shannon Clark [suspects that] "more than a few patents could (potentially at least - I'm not a lawyer) be invalidated by prior art in the form of movies like Minority Report (and likely other earlier but less popular SF series & movies) which showed multitouch type of interfaces." - you are confusing Hollywood with Real Life, which I suggest you get a dose of, the latter.
- ianf ⌘
It's all Linux, and I suspect that crunchpad if it even has an OS uses it too. Swapping out one Linux for another is relatively easy if you've got the source and the hardware information. <3 the Linux Virus, an OS that runs on almost all known hardware, and even as a x86 BIOS for instant ON.
- rob friedman
@dodeja "I think Crunchpad launch could set the bar and direction for what Google Chrome OS should/could be." Puuhlease...get real, what have u been drinking?
- Hendra
I wish Mike luck with the pad but it's just not the right form factor for me, just a little too big from what i can tell. My ultimate would be like a 6" screen. With a device this size you have to decide if you are going to finger or thumb type. Anything in between is going to be awkward.
- Keith Beucler
actually no. If a work of fiction depicts an innovation (especially stuff like UI) that could certainly be prior art. The point of a patent is to be INNOVATION - prior art, even in fiction, is just that - earlier examples of someone else having the same idea. And in the case of Minority Report - a LOT of people contributed to build those interfaces & design ideas - see http://www.lukew.com/ff...
- Shannon Clark
Shannon, you win. Please be sure to report back here (minority- or majoritywise, either will do) on any patent application contesting case, where fantasy GUIs cooked up for film-clarity reasons –it's never an easy thing to show off on a cinema screen– are entered as exhibits of "prior art," therefore either invalidating, or denying a patent. I'll wait by the computer until next Tuesday, do we have a deal?
- ianf ⌘
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