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What would the web look like if each time a developer wanted to change their site, it had to be approved by a committee with a 2 week delay?
Nick Granado, John Wang, Vinay and 56 other people liked this
Like 1995 when I was trying to upload MBs of data over a 14.4kbps dial-up modem for a website.
- John Wang
Like the Apple Store? :)
- Ray Cromwell
Please allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery
- Charles Ying
You've obviously never worked for a large company.
- Mistletoe Glen
You would be amazed how many large corporations still do this.
- dthree
First off, it doesn't matter what the developer wants; decisions are made by the product manager and reviewed by the higher product review board and the VP of product. Then the UED team gets involved and the design has to be done, redone, pitched, explained, and revised. The change also needs to make it onto the next quarter's roadmap, where it can be evaluated in light of other...
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- Mistletoe Glen
I'm not ignoring the fact that corporations go through a lengthy process to ensure the quality of their products. Of course Facebook does this too, and so do I personally. The point is, we are the ones who are qualified to determine when the app is ready. Apple is just a middleman, and they have a very limited ability to test the quality of our app.
- Joe Hewitt
A couple times Apple has caught bugs in our app and notified me of it, but they have also missed huge bugs that went through. The app on the store right now is orders of magnitude more buggy than the one sitting in the review queue.
- Joe Hewitt
I can only assume the review process is there for Apple to test compliance with their terms of service, and any bugs they find along the way are incidental. Thank goodness the web doesn't have a terms of service and a review queue.
- Joe Hewitt
With 40 apps per day per reviewer, I'm surprised the approval process works as well as it does.
- PXLated
Has any other company ever been faced with as many apps in such a short period as Apple - Just curious
- PXLated
If we developers always programmed everything to be perfect before releasing it, nothing would ever get released. ; )
- John Wang
it would look like an MMO they release half broken stuff every two weeks like clockwork
- Robert Higgins
Your question mentioned nothing of Apple and the App Store. I was merely responding to the question asked. Specifically, if, each time a developer wanted to change their site, it had to be approved by a committee with a 2-week delay, it would represent a vast improvement in the speed of delivery of site changes and probably a corresponding decline in the quality. Apple imposes their...
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- Mistletoe Glen
Sorry, Glen, the context in almost all of my tweets relates to iPhone development :)
- Joe Hewitt
Of course, Apple can do whatever they want, and I can go elsewhere. I am making suggestions on how they can improve their flea market and prevent people from going elsewhere. I believe the web has set the precedent that big platforms like the iPhone can thrive even without a centralized quality control bottleneck.
- Joe Hewitt
But Joe, the iPhone isn't like the web as a whole - it's more like gaming platforms and probably more open then they are. Will be interesting to see what happens on Android and if in fact it is more open, and if so what kind of chaos may ensue.
- PXLated
Are you serious - "prevent people from going elsewhere" - Where? And pass up the iPhone audience/marketplace? Even if Android is a success, developers won't leave iPhone in spite of all the bitching.
- PXLated
The iPhone is not a "gaming platform" until they tell me I can't develop anything but a game for it. A significant chunk of iPhone apps, mine included, are basically iPhone-optimized websites written in Objective-C. I admit that I don't see anyone, myself including, abandoning Apple over this issue, but I do believe that the quality of apps on the platform is being hurt by it. Just because other platforms are even more restrictive, like Playstation or some mobile platforms, is not an excuse.
- Joe Hewitt
It's not an excuse but none is needed, Apple developed a platform and set the rules just as the gaming platforms did/do. I'm personally not sure the (overall) quality is being hurt either.
- PXLated
In fact, maybe Apple should be a lot more restrictive - 65K apps probably confuses the hell out of many users. Maybe they need a rating system and then start eliminating the poorly performing apps. Get it down to a reasonable (best of breed) 5K ;-)
- PXLated
"Apple developed a platform and set the rules" - well there's a news flash. I don't think anyone needed to be informed of that. I think Joe's just trying to make the point that centralized control isn't necessary for the good apps to rise to the top. Would you consider the web to be a success if there were 65k sites (please don't get pedantic and point out that sites aren't apps; the argument holds for any reasonable multiplier)?
- Joel Webber
"Get it down to a reasonable (best of breed) 5K" - And exactly from what larger pool would you take that best of breed? If the breed's too small, you can't *have* a best-of-breed. The web's an unholy mess, but its size and chaos are precisely what makes it successful. People still manage to find the good stuff.
- Joel Webber
It would look like the website where I work....
- Don Schuetze
What would the web look like if a developer could be shut down for an alleged ToS violation? Like FaceBook?
- Kevin Marks
That's a lot better than how web applications ship. Please allow a few months before we change it.
- Burcu Dogan
Apple is famous to put limitations at the beginning and then drop them ( remember drm?) I am pretty confident that the approval process will be easier and quicker in the near future.
- funkyboy
from iPhone
You would have [insert any corporate review process here]. For significant changes, this is understandishable. However, it gets insidious when everything looks like a nail ... even if it isn't.
- Joe D'Andrea
read it late though, but i would hate it, then maybe web might not be as popular, interesting and powerful
- testbeta
if unclear: RSSCloud will help readers get your blog posts right away, just like RSS lets them get your posts at all.
TH Schee, Sarah Perez, Nicholas James and 24 other people liked this
How ? Like many others, I use GReader. How will it help me ?
- Andy C
GReader, if and when it supports RSSCloud, will deliver blog posts to subscribers immediately after they are published if they are published through RSSCloud.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
does that make sense? right now you subscribe to a blog's feed in GReader and GReader checks the RSS feed like once every 30 mins. Depending on the feed, sometimes it only checks once a week if you're the only person subbed to it. With RSSCloud, GReader could act like an Instant Messaging client for you and be told, thus telling you, the moment a new post is available.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Right -- Google Reader would be instant, like Twitter and FriendFeed are.
- Dave Winer
OK - but I thought Google/Feedburner were firmly behind PubSubHubbub that isn't fully rolled out yet either. Are these protocols complimentary or competing ?
- Andy C
+1 Andy C agree its getting confusing
- Kim Landwehr
Ultimately they'll have to decide whether they want to give features to their users. I supported Atom in River2 in less than a day. It won't take them much longer to support rssCloud.
- Dave Winer
makes me think that Google owning both the dominant feed publishing service and the dominant feed reading service probably isn't very good for the feed ecosystem.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall, this gives them the opportunity to prove that it's not a problem.
- Dave Winer
:)
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Winer makes a good point. Google should support rssCloud so the market decides
- Steve Gillmor
The market will decide regardless. Google will be making a mistake by not supporting it.
- Jesse Stay
exactly Jesse
- Steve Gillmor
@Steve - seriously - when has Google done anything serious beyond its obsession with search based ad placement?
- Dennis Howlett
supporting Pubsubhubbub was a good start, rssCloud a good next step
- Steve Gillmor
@dahowlett Google does a lot of serious stuff: gmail, google apps for domains (incl enterprise search appliances), deeply serious stuff around power usages/management for their own datacenters (and even more serious BigTable & the other underlying technologies within those datacenters), Google Earth & Maps (incl the massive effort to get Streetview data), Google Books & the scanning...
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- Shannon Clark
Rss Cloud discussion. Interesting stuff...
- kevin fitts
Glad to see you pushing Dave - Congrats on getting Matt/Wordpress onboard.
- PXLated
I don't understand: why RSSCloud over Pubsubhubbub? You can talk about "choice" and push Google to support RSSCloud, but if there's no real difference between the two, the market can't differentiate and there isn't going to be a real choice. Like right now, I'm asking why didn't Dave Winer and Automattic get on board with Pubsubhubbub? What's the material benefit for pushing RSSCloud instead?
- Mark Trapp
Fine. It's the other way around. When they decided to implement realtime feeds, why did they invent something new? RSS already provided for it. Since 2001. So bring this argument to them. Thanks.
- Dave Winer
BTW, to be clear, I don't have any issue with the Google guys who did Pubsubhubub, just with arguments like this that get their chronology backwards.
- Dave Winer
You didn't really answer the question, Dave. Is there a material difference between Pubsubhubbub and RSSCloud such that RSSCloud is better? Why would I choose RSSCloud over Pubsubhubbub, or vice versa? All I know right now is that there's one standard that's supported by Google, and one that's supported by you and Automattic. Why shouldn't I go with Google's version? It reads like Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD
- Mark Trapp
Mark, I stated a few reasons as well here: http://staynalive.com/article... - but frankly, Dave was first. Google's a bigCo. Dave's isn't tied to a bigCo. I think his is more appealing because of that. I'll support both though until I see wider adoption.
- Jesse Stay
Guys, we plan to integrate RSS Cloud to Lazyfeed very soon. We've just announced it on our blog: http://blog.lazyfeed.com/2009... Hope people will like it :)
- Ethan Gahng
Jesse: Dave's version might've been first, but the one that seems to have gotten wide adoption first was Google's. So when that happened, why fight it? I'm assuming there's a good reason why RSSCloud is better: being technically first doesn't seem like a good enough reason. I do see the part about 24 hour expiry: I'd have to think about that some more. Seems like something easily added to PubSubHubbub, though: and doesn't seem like enough to keep two competing specs alive.
- Mark Trapp
rssCloud is a done deal. Mark, you should take your own advice and stop fighting.
- Dave Winer
What happened to the Hide command in FriendFeed? This thread is so over, totally needs to be hidden.
- Dave Winer
All I'm asking is for some information on why there are two seemingly competing specs and which spec one should one adopt, Dave. If you can't deign yourself to provide that information, by all means ignore or block me: perhaps someone besides you who gets the difference between the two can fill in the rest of us mere mortals on what the concrete differences between the two specs are.
- Mark Trapp
@Jesse: This is why - 'This thread is so over, totally needs to be hidden.'
- Andy C
Andy, I agree with him - this is a dumb argument.
- Jesse Stay
It's not a dumb argument, but one that should be rendered moot by Google supporting rssCloud
- Steve Gillmor
Dave, it's right next to Comment, Like, and Share... Hide is the one on the right... no your other right
- Chris Heath
Does this mean I won't need Sudar's Post to FriendFeed plugin for WordPress?
- Skyler Call
http://www.youtube.com/watch... I found this helpful as a primer in understanding RSS.
- kevin fitts
Anyone remembers VHS vs. Betamax? Nowadays willy whacking is sooo last century, isn't it?
- Sebastian
wasn't vhx vs betamax settled by the adult film industry?
- Chris Heath
Prolly many adult entertainment services have implemented PuSH spreading near real time smut moments before supporting rssCloud. Why miss out on any opportunity?
- Sebastian
Regarding Jesse's argument that "Dave was first" is sufficient justification for preferring RSSCloud, it was dead for more than five years and implemented by no one. When he chose to take it out of mothballs, PSHB was implemented by Google and others. His choice to revive RSSCloud has splintered pub-sub support into two efforts and a lot of programmers will now be asked to support both. I'm not clear on the benefit either.
- Rogers Cadenhead
Eventually it boils down to wether you reader app implemented enough real-time "clients". An easy option for this is to use Superfeedr, since we have implemented MANY of them... and we push forward the content to your reader.
- Julien
iPhone usage on Flickr falls dramatically – What’s happening? - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
Baard @ Pixum, Iván Abrego, Rafael Robayna and 8 other people liked this
"Only three weeks ago the iPhone was on course to become the most popular camera on Flickr. It had been just below the Canon EOS Digital Rebel XTi for several weeks but now iPhone usage on Flickr, as measured by Flickr’s own data, has started to fall off dramatically."
- Martin Bryant
from Bookmarklet
ialla - No, I've just updated the post with another graph. Other cameraphones remain steady.
- Martin Bryant
So it couldn't just be a spike? Looking at the almost vertical increase on the left hand side of the red line.
- Johnny Worthington
As I put in the post, it could be the 3GS novelty factor wearing off.
- Martin Bryant
agree w/Shauns - i am seeing more iphone/mobile uploads on fb - moreover fb lite does not support posts from flickr/imported sites, so if you want to share the pics there you have to upload them to fb
- barbarars
Shauns has a valid point. i think this is probably the main reason
- Ouriel Ohayon
published some extra thoughts here. I believe the reasons are mainly facebook, twitter and...youtube http://blog.appsfire.com/the-iph...
- Ouriel Ohayon
I see a lot more mobile photos on twitpic, mobypic, etc. Also, they lump ALL iphones together while they don't do that for any other manufacturer so I don't really trust that graph.
- dthree
Oh, RSS Is Definitely Dead Now: Feedburner CEO Dick Costolo To Become Twitter COO - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Nicholas James, Ahad Bokhari, goldberg_sizzles and 15 other people liked this
RSS is exactly as dead as HTTP, which is to say not at all.
- Stephen Mack
Stephen, you know where I stand on this. The news to me is Dick moving to Twitter in his new role.
- Louis Gray
Louis, yup, I should have made it clear I was speaking to the author of that headline, not to you. ;)
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
I hate the RSS is Dead talk, IF RSS would to die the very same blogs using RSS to find & report news would no longer exist.
- Wayne Sutton
Wayne: when a blogger says something is "dead" they just mean it isn't interesting anymore. Do we talk about TCP/IP? No. Hence it's dead too.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble is dead.
- Louis Gray
Scoble understood, but does the average non "geek" understand that? nope
- Wayne Sutton
Pardon? That is mean. And I agree with Scoble.
- Zachary TG
Robert and I get along fine. I was teasing him and seeing if he would react in real-time.
- Louis Gray
That is why, quite often, probloggers sucks. The most beautiful thing about blogging is exactly the most ridiculous thing about it: people get to tell the world what they think.
- Caio Cesar
I love Robert Scoble
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
Smoke signals are dead.
- Matt Soreco
Email is dead.
- Chieze Okoye
Death is dead.
- Stephen Mack
Talking is dead.
- Chieze Okoye
can commenting on "rss is dead" syndicated posts also be dead? pls? kthxbai.
- Jenna Bilotta
complaining about comments in "rss is dead" threads is ...
- John Hardy
I get that people find things via Twitter and FF, but what if you want to see every post from somewhere? I want to follow all the mashable, TC, giz, engadget etc posts-and there is no better way to do that than RSS
- Mitchell Hislop
RSS is now 'built-in' to Samsung Series 9 HDTV's http://bit.ly/Rn0wC - Any good protocol runs silently in the background (via Dave http://bit.ly/22FNkA )
- Stephen Edgar
If my love don't buy this cufflinks for valentines day, i wont marry with her. Sevgilim evlenmeden onceki son sevgililer gununde bundan yaptirmassa ben o kizla evlenmem...
Frank Jurden, Cigdem Akca, Semih Masat ™ and 7 other people liked this
WANT! Where can these beauties be purchased from?!?
- Andrew Terry
:) i dont know, I saved this picutures for my Macholic archive
- Bahaeddin [ MacinLife ]
Çook güzel :)
- Buğra Bayrak
bunlar şıkmış baya, bulsa almaz mı :)
- Gizem
aslinta getircen satacan bunlardan APR larda
- Bahaeddin [ MacinLife ]
Takım elbise giymeme daha çok var :)
- Can - blogcan.org
sen simdiden al sonra takarsin:)
- Bahaeddin [ MacinLife ]
KavaServices for Snow Leopard - http://www.kavasoft.com/KavaSer...
Tyson Key, Meryn Stol, hiroshimo and 4 other people liked this
"Services to translate, search, encode, calculate, convert… and much more!"
- Thomas Bøhm
from Bookmarklet
$25! You can buy an entire OS for that price. I could do all of the those services myself with automator.
- Paul Grav
:) Didn't buy it either, posted as inspiration to other SL users.
- Thomas Bøhm
Four Finger Trackpad Motions Back-Ported to Pre-Unibody Macs - http://www.macgasm.net/2009...
h1ro, Grant Brunner, Roberto Bonini and 3 other people liked this
"To make sure these features are turned on, you can go to the Trackpad pane in System Preferences."
- Joshua Schnell
from Bookmarklet
I dont have it on mine :(
- Simon Wicks
Simon, that's weird. I have it on mine. Anyone else not have the option?
- Joshua Schnell
My Mac's prolly just those few months too old. 2.2 Intel Core 2 Duo, year and 9 months old.
- Simon Wicks
Nope. Black 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo, here.
- Kevin Pedraja
not just mine then, dont feel quite as bad now :)
- Simon Wicks
There must be a hack somewhere for me to enable it. i remember having 2 finger gentures hacked onto my iBook so i could scroll like the Macbook does.
- Simon Wicks
i'm pretty sure there is, someone mentioned hacking a ktext file to get access to it before.
- Joshua Schnell
*hunts*
- Simon Wicks
I really love following Joe Hewitt (http://friendfeed.com/joehewi...) discuss developing the Facebook iPhone app so openly on Facebook, Twitter, and FriendFeed (and open sourcing most of it at the same time). Sets a really high standard for transparency in product development. I hope more companies follow his example.
Daniel Brusilovsky, zʍıɔ, Barak Hachamov and 59 other people liked this
Bret, the gang at FriendFeed do a good job as well. After consistently banging my head against Google's "Wall of Silence" the content here is incredibly refreshing. Thanks!!
- Chris Myles
This is what I exactly want to do. But, usually the next release is a top secret for many of the companies and it's very stressful to write even the concepts you are working on.
- Burcu Dogan
I think most people would prefer to work this way, but it is worth noting how difficult that can be at a large, well-known company: individuals, the press and Wall St are trying to read something into every little thing you say or do, there are SEC rules to worry about, and so forth. I feel lucky that I work mostly on open source stuff at Google, so this doesn't affect me most of the time.
- Joel Webber
Joel, I do understand the bigger issues at Google, I'm referring more to the product and support side. I've been getting some VERY bad vibes from other users and developers in the forums for Blogger, GFC, Picasa, Maps etc and their APIs. I've actually had people tell me to stop asking questions about GFC because no one from Google responds. Here I get the exact opposite feeling, from...
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- Chris Myles
chrismyles: some of the issues are cultural and others are technical. google support discussions used to be mailing lists, and wading through so many messages is time consuming. since moving to their forum system, the level of responses have improved somewhat and it seems the staff is better able to pick out topics to reply. the friendfeed platform is even better, and allows topics the community thinks are important to receive a higher priority.
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Mike, I guess we'll have to see.. What I love about FF is it makes it easier for ME to keep track of all my discussions in a single spot. Google's new support discussions require me to visit each group independently; there is no central location where I can monitor all my questions. It might be easier for Google but it's harder for me.. If only they all used friendfeed!!
- Chris Myles
So Bret, what do you think of the resulting app? Now you've got even more reasons to be interested!!
- Chris Myles
Chris: indeed those are the sort of technical or design capabilities that can restrict or enhance the effectiveness for users of a platform. both google and friendfeed have dedicated and skilled staff, yet here they are more able to communicate efficiently with relatively greater numbers of people.
- Mike Chelen
My one sentence review of the Facebook iPhone app. http://c.oy.ly/kegx
Nicholas James, Jeff Ramos, Daniel Rowley and 8 other people liked this
Dave, you know that the iPhone has a built in screenshot utility right? =P What did you use to take that pic?
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
yeah it's homebutton+lockbutton - takes a nice crisp png
- Chris Heath
I totally agree Dave. this is the iPhone Facebook app i've been waiting for. and I had no idea about the iphone's built in screenshots thingy! thanks! (Although I would still like to know what Dave used in his post)
- Jamie Mack
from BuddyFeed
By the looks of the quality of the shot it must have been another iPhone ;). @Chris, it is the other way around right, hold down the lock button then press the home button?
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
i usually press them both at the same time... but yeah prob pressing lock first does the trick although it doesn't really matter if you hold down home it won't go to the home screen until you let go
- Chris Heath
FYI - The Ten People to Follow on FriendFeed Monthly Feature is Suspended, Failing Future Announcements.
Michael Fidler, Richard pancakhaus Walker, Jérôme Flipo and 40 other people liked this
Given the changeover to Facebook, Mike and I have talked and decided we will let the community shake out before we think about continuing to build it more.
- Louis Gray
Uh oh.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Mike and I are champions of what has been built here, but we are going to be watching the changes closely to see if it makes sense to continue investing the efforts we have each month. Hoping something comes to change our mind and returning to normal, but we're being realistic.
- Louis Gray
Yep.
- Louis Gray
this may sound stupid....keep in mind im new to FriendFeed...but what is the ten to follow on FriendFeed monthly Feature....?
- Marissa
Marissa: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Louis Gray
Well, if nothing else, I just realized that I wasn't subscribed to Mike. So that's something, I guess.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Louis, what are your secret plans and your roadmap? I'm super intrigued by your desktop at this moment.
- Jimminy Fuller
whoa... now it's getting serious.
- michael sean wright
oh. okay. thank you. =]]
- Marissa
It was a great run. I agree with Louis, until we have a clear understanding of what the future has in store for FriendFeed, it's not beneficial to anyone to keep the list going.
- Mike Fruchter
When Louis starts losing faith, we need to worry. I thought your and Robert's conversations with Paul made you think things were good?
- Jason Huebel
Akiva, same here. It was never on purpose though :-)
- Mike Fruchter
Jason, I think that we have been reassured that the site will be kept alive. We have been encouraged by the recent introductions. But the last two videos have been more disconcerting, talking more about FB, and showing less clarity into plans. So I think it is safe to assume, until we hear otherwise, that the bulk of work will be for the site with millions of users. There has been no official update from the team yet, so we'll wait cautiously.
- Louis Gray
Until then, consider this a "feature freeze" on our behalf until we get word from higher up that the project is still a priority.
- Louis Gray
I agree its best to sit and wait in building the community any more, as oppose to build on what appears to be a rocky foundation that could be pulled from under us at any time without notice. Then again this could be just left to run as the bastard child, forgotten on the internet highway.
- Uncle CW™
I don't think Louis is loosing faith. I think he is just realistic.He is not abandoning the site he championed the masses so hard for. It's a simple "feature freeze". Personally, I'm optimistic but also very cautious about the future of this site. Lets see what happens. *Hopefully* Facebook will make a public announcement at some point, the question is when? The fact that they have not, two weeks after the acquisition, makes you really wonder what their plans are for FriendFeed. Time will tell.
- Mike Fruchter
So 10 to follow in Google Reader coming next?
- MaryAnn Chick Whiteside
MaryAnn, that would be an interesting thing. I believe some of the best Google Reader sharers are here on FriendFeed. :)
- Louis Gray
Much easier to see the whole list here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub... Hopefully you won't take that spreadsheet offline, as I am using it for some research and it does have some merit beyond friendfeed.
- April Russo (app103)
April, I would never take that doc offline. I don't even think I am the owner. :)
- Louis Gray
BUT I NEVER MADE THE LIST OMG SO SAD :( :( LOUIS
- Andrizzle Gizzle
ANDREA YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY ONE OF MY FAVORITES AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.
- Louis Gray
I think the list could be kept going, but expanded in other directions to include more than just friendfeed, so anyone added to the list, it would also give info on how to follow them elsewhere, like twitter, facebook, Google Reader and other sites...not just friendfeed. This way, the list continues to be of value, no matter what happens. I believe that anyone that made that list for...
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- April Russo (app103)
here comes the Facebook changes - sucks!
- Mekkar
April - is that list up to date? (I vainly checked for my name and didn't see it :) )
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Wow. That comes as quite a shock.
- Derrick
Louis, Mike, maybe just switch over to a monthly list of what order we should start unsubscribing. <--- Being cheeky, but it gave me a serious thought: List of of people to follow in other contexts—those who are FF alumni (whether active on posterous, greader, or what have you). Just a thought. :)
- Micah Wittman
@Jeff I think June may have been the last time it was updated.
- April Russo (app103)
"Ten People to Befriend on Facebook (If They Accept your Friend Request)" - bleh
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
[sad face] I realise you are adopting a very prudent "wait and see" policy but this still feels like the beginning of the end. Or the end of the beginning of the end. It's almost more shocking than the FB announcement itself. I shall have to ponder this further.
- WorldofHiglet
Interesting move.
- Kol Tregaskes
Perhaps the any new top 10 should be posted on All Wordy and Junk? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
That would be one option, Kol, and a good one.
- Louis Gray
Bummer, but it is a pragmatic decision for the two of you to make.
- DGentry
I guess I can suspend my devious plan to send massive bribes to Mike Fruchter, then. He probably wouldn't have taken it, anyway.
- DGentry
sad, but probably a good decision as well. It would be great to keep FF as its own domain, but without any information coming out, it is difficult to commit to FF as a social network, or spend a lot of time on the site.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Damn! And I thought I was next!!
- Dave Hodson
that's too bad... i wonder if you guys have some inside info on FF's future? I just spent the last week on Facebook instead of here - to get used to it. and it sucked. sucked a lot.
- andy brudtkuhl
DO ANYBODY NO WHY MAFIA WARS IZ POKING ME? I SCARED
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Real time comments will piss off pro bloggers (at first) - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
Baard @ Pixum, Ronald, pea and h1ro liked this
A couple of Pictures from my noserub.com site I run now on my own server. I actually like it. It feels a bit like Friendfeed v1.0
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vijay, Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ, ӊooқ and 12 other people liked this
Been thinking that it wouldn't really be all that hard to change the template to bring comments inline, etc. which would make it a whole lot more like Friendfeed. Since FF doesn't do OMB, some heavy plugin/API action will be needed for true integration with FF :-/ Plugins apparently aren't "supported" yet, but CakePHP has a plugin framework, so perhaps it is not impossible... ?
- Jason Wehmhoener
We're currently rewriting the whole presentation layer thing, so inline comments shouldn't be too hard. And I thought about using the CakePHP plugin architecture together with some hooks to make it universal. I also will look into the FriendFeed OAuth API to see how it can be possible to exchange comments and likes - at least get them from FriendFeed. Getting them to FriendFeed from NoseRub should be FriendFeed's job...
- Dirk Olbertz
Dirk, it's possible to post likes and comments to Friendfeed using the API.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Yeah, but the thing is: when I own Identoo.com, who would be the "poster" of those comments and likes? It's just not practical to ask everyone who uses Identoo.com to go through the FriendFeed OAuth process to distribute comments there - and those people may not even have a FriendFeed account. This is all so broken about the walled gardens :-(
- Dirk Olbertz
True, good point.
- Jason Wehmhoener
It's too bad Friendfeed doesn't support OpenID. They do support Google, Twitter and Facebook logins, but it's still not really "open". It's probably a pretty safe bet though that anyone who is microblogging is going to have one of those IDs though right?
- Jason Wehmhoener
yep. and this is why you need only an OpenID to comment on NoseRub. Content is aggregated by NoseRub (although you also can create it in NoseRub) and comments and likes are distributed over all servers. Similar to the good old Usenet :-)
- Dirk Olbertz
That is really nice. Hey Friendfeed, can you please play along? :-)
- Jason Wehmhoener
There seems to be a bug in the Twitter feed importing code.
- Tyson Key
Stir - All of FriendFeed in your pocket | Structlab - http://structlab.com/iphone...
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Wow, seems incredibly feature-packed and polished. View posts based on geotagging or specific services like YouTube? Looks delicious, can't wait to give it a whirl on the train soon.
- David Chartier
from Bookmarklet
Sorry for the multi-posts everyone, juggling too much and not paying attention this afternoon. I think I cleaned it all up. That said: Stir is pretty nice so far. Scrolls like butter.
- David Chartier
Hey, i'm the author of Stir. Glad you like it! Please don't hesitate to let me know if you have any suggestions or requests :)
- Aaron Brethorst
Please keep us posted on your tests. I've been searching FF to see if anyone was checking it out.
- metalerik
Installed and playing with it now. Really liking this, top work Aaron.
- Keith Bennett
Thanks, Keith! In all seriousness, comments like yours make the four months I spent writing it worthwhile. Also, to everyone who has purchased it: please help me out by leaving a review for it in the AppStore :) Exposing it to more people generates more revenue which lets me spend more time adding new features to it (like support for direct messages, real time support, and so on)
- Aaron Brethorst
What you mean it doesn't do dm or real time??? Well in that case.... Only joking. I'll add a review for the UK store later. In all seriousness, this is a really cool app. It's looking like my default FF app from now on.
- Keith Bennett
thanks again, Keith :) So, the backstory on DM is that this wasn't even supported for third party apps until the release of FF's v2.0 APIs, which only happened a few weeks ago. By then, I was in to final testing of my app, and didn't want to switch over to a new API version or figure out how to shoehorn in a feature I hadn't originally planned on. As far as real-time goes, I spent a lot...
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- Aaron Brethorst
Good to hear mate, always a difficult decision about when to release something I guess. Keep adding those features. Any chance of an option to send something to twitter in the same way you can with the send to facebook?
- Keith Bennett
Also, any chance of setting up a support/feature request group here on FF?
- Keith Bennett
Twitter's on the list of things to support :) You can find the discussion group here at http://friendfeed.com/stirapp
- Aaron Brethorst
Cheers, will post my requests in there.
- Keith Bennett
Downloading it now. Took a look at the screenshots at the home page, and this looks very promising. Looking forward to testing it soon :)
- Baard @ Pixum
I already have BuddyFeed which is a pretty decent app. I'll be downloading Stir too. I prefer the FriendFeed service to any other Social Networking destination but have to admit that, especially from the point of view of posting, I use Twitter more. The explanation is simple, superb third party iPhone apps, especially TwittelatorPro which is really best of breed. If Twitter wasn't served so well by the likes of TP then I'd hardly use it at all. Best of luck with this new application.
- JSLeFanu
Looks cool, gonna check it out now :-)
- Jalada
Yawn, yet another boring iphone app.
- Richard A.
wish someone would make the blackberry app...
- Richard Reeve
Kudos Aaron. I'm using Stir to post this reply, and I'm really, really liking the app. It's well designed, has pretty much all the FF features (and those it doesn't have look like they'll be coming soon), and it's rock solid. BuddyFeed is good, Stir is way better!
- Brad Brooks
Thanks, Brad. I'm glad you like it. If you have a spare minute, please leave a review on the AppStore :)
- Aaron Brethorst
Awesome, finally another FF app to try! I like BuddyFeed, but it seems like the dev isn't going to update it anymore. That the Stir dev seems active here, fielding questions and requests, is promising. Thanks for posting about it here.
- Cheryl Jones
I've posted a review on the AppStore (UK), Aaron. It should be up soon :)
- Brad Brooks
@Brad: Unless your review gets rejected for objectionable content or something. ;)
- David Chartier
@David: Well, you never know with the AppStore reviewers :D
- Brad Brooks
I'm finally starting to use my FriendFeed account now that there is a decent iPhone App available.
- Justin Stevens
Got it yesterday (after reading it here). So far so good. Very good FF client for the iPhone!
- Peter van Teeseling
@justin, @peter - thank you both :)
- Aaron Brethorst
I've bought buddyfeed, but I still buy stir, it's much better. I like it.
- pastas9
Seems awesome bit buggy. For enchance, everytime I hit load more it just adds the first batch of updates again with no older updates. Way better features and interface than any of the alternatives though! Will try it again later, maybe the FF API was freacking our with it.
- Chris White
from FreshFeed
Weird, works fine
- Chris White
Whoops, sorry. Works fine on every feed but everything. It doesn't just not add more either, it addsthe same items already loaded below the current items
- Chris White
Chris- can you follow up with me at support@structlab.com? I'd like to better understand what you're seeing.
- Aaron Brethorst
I just downloaded this app. It replaced FreshFeed as my FriendFeed iPhone app.
- Chris Martin
I really like the UI, but so far it has crashed the three times I've tried using it (once while trying to leave a comment). FreshFeed is a bit more stable, but I just left a comment that got truncated (with no warning from the app). :P
- Cheryl Jones
I downloaded it on David's recommendation. It's a nice app. A few UI quirks and areas I would have designed differently, but a generally positive experience.
- Justin Williams
I've been using amigo for the last few months. how does stir stack up against that app?
- David Miller
Cheryl, Justin - please follow up with me at support@structlab.com. I'd like understand what seems quirky in the ui and get to the bottom of those crashes.
- Aaron Brethorst
I downloaded it, and understandably it's a 1.0 release, but I'm regretting the purchase immediately: the menu system is unintuitive. Clicking on my name doesn't bring up my feed, it brings up my home feed. Clicking the Everyone link brings up the public feed instead of people I'm subscribed to: why is the public feed the top link? There's no link to my discussions page, my likes page,...
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- Mark Trapp
Hi Mark - 'My Discussions' is coming in the next release. Likes and comments can—for the time being—be found through saved searches. Direct messages weren't supported through the FriendFeed API until v2.0, which was released about 4 days before I submitted Stir to Apple. Same thing with Best of Day and OAuth. Can you tell me what you mean by inline commenting? Hide exists; try swiping a...
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- Aaron Brethorst
Aaron - another missing item, or item I've not found yet, is the groups I'm a member of. That and my discussions are two big misses I think. Like others, I enjoy the UI a lot
- Patrick Jordan
got 1 on mine 2
- daveccorey
Hey Patrick - groups are supported from the main page. Choose the Groups item and you should be good to go.
- Aaron Brethorst
"all groups," actually.
- Aaron Brethorst
This is an excellent app! Far superior to what I've been using.
- David Miller
@Aaron: I'll try to use Stir more and see if there's a pattern to the crashes, but so far it has seemed random.
- Cheryl Jones
Cant find it at US AppStore :(
- Kfir Pravda
from iPhone
Kol Tregaskes to Kol's feed, FriendFeed Rooms, FriendFeed Talk, Social Media, Social Media Club, Social Media Enthusiasts, Appetite, TheNextWeb Forum, FriendFeed for Beginners
Please join the CloneFeed group here: http://friendfeed.com/openff and get involved in the discussions and development of a new service for us FriendFeeders.
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We'd like as many of you as possible to join in as, of course, it's going to be a service for you guys. Please join here: http://friendfeed.com/openff Note the group's name is not what the service is called, it's merely a group name. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I thought Louis and Johnny already had it fully specced out: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr...
- Bruce Lewis
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
You now I'm just going to bump this over and over - first bump here. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
There is also a Google Group here: http://groups.google.com/group...
- Kol Tregaskes
And a wiki: http://thekev.in/wiki...
- Kol Tregaskes
this title always makes me think of a CLOVERFEED :)
- Yunus Tunak
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bump again.
- Kol Tregaskes
one more :-)
- zsafwan
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bumped 'cos of dup.
- Kol Tregaskes
Is it http://friendfeed.com/openFF now rather than clonefeed?
- Wang Yip
Yep, we changed it the other day. Edited above. Thanks.
- Kol Tregaskes
Missed the comment, done that too now. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I thought my Mac would handle this job but it didn't deliver like I wanted. An OTA HD episode of Numb3rs, captured with the Terk antenna, dropped a 5.78 GB .eyetv file on my hard drive. Conversion for the iPhone took 67 minutes and yielded a 632 MB H.264 AAC file. The CPU was, as you can see, pegged. Safari labored while the conversion took place.
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Am I to believe that EyeTV hardware, i.e., EyeTV 250 Plus or the Turbo.264 HD Video Encoder can outpace my Mac? Maybe I'm just impatient and should run these conversions in isolation when I don't need to use my computer for any other tasks.
- Christopher Harley
I have Hazel send video's that need encoding to my Mac Mini upstairs. When the Mac Mini has finished its encoding, Hazel then sends the encoded video back to my MacBook and is inserted automatically into iTunes.
- Paul Grav
I've considered tasking my other Mac but it's an 800 MHz PPC G4. I'm certain that conversion times would be abysmal. But, then again, I'd have my primary machine free for the duration. I remember Merlin Mann talking about Hazel http://www.noodlesoft.com/hazel... on an episode of MacBreak Weekly. I need to grab it.
- Christopher Harley
And therein lies the rub. Should I buy another piece of hardware to hang off this machine or wait and see what encoding performance looks like under Snow Leopard's OpenCL? Am I right in assuming that some of this load will be shared by the GPU during conversion?
- Christopher Harley
Here's more on OpenCL from Apple: http://www.apple.com/macosx... "...a structure that will be familiar to programmers, who can simply use Xcode developer tools to adapt their programs to work with OpenCL. They don’t have to completely rewrite applications to use OpenCL. They need only rewrite the most performance-intensive parts of their application in OpenCL C."
- Christopher Harley
Hi, Google Reader Team! You Rule. - http://www.google.com/reader...
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I'm taking the plunge. Here's my redirect to my google reader: http://wittman.org/share
- Micah Wittman
Would you please tell us who they are or where the list is?
- Keith Rowland
Hi, Louis!
- Jenna Bilotta
Yeah I also would like to know who they all are, how I can find them:p
- Patrik Johansson
Jenna made a bundle with a bunch of our feeds, for super-easy stalking: http://www.google.com/reader... :)
- Mihai Parparita
Awesome, thanks!:)
- Patrik Johansson
People can congratulate the FriendFeed guys as much as they want but this site would be NOTHING without us. And I don't mean Scoble and his tag-alongs. I'm talking about the core group of users who have truly made FriendFeed what it is today. Technology without users is dead.
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Bret and the gang owe it all to us and we have now been paid in full.
- Akiva Moskovitz
well said.
- Jim: Dead Like FF
We'll figure it out
- Rodfather
I dunno, the site has had a bunch of different sets of "core users" over the years. I thought it was useful before the current crop showed up.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Well said.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Ok lets go all high school in our reactions here.......
- Rasmus Lauridsen
So the FF snobs can't play with the FB snobs? Is that how it works?
- Bette Cooper
Being a snob about Facebook is like being a snob about processed cheese slices. You can try it but you're going to look damned foolish.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Good grief. There's nothing here that didn't exist in 1993 via IRC and Usenet. Get over yourselves and go make the next Friendfeed if you're all hot and bothered about it.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I have no doubt plenty will say the same about FriendFeed...
- Bette Cooper
other way round - we wouldnt be here if it wasnt for the FF guys
- Jamie
Amen. They said nothing about users in their announcements.
- Dave Winer
Arrington's inteview with the FB and FF guys suggests they want the engineers not the service itself
- Mark
"There's nothing here that didn't exist in 1993 via IRC and Usenet".... Actually you're wrong. IRC and Usenet, like successors Facebook and Twitter were/are all about conversations with ocasional nuggets of information. Friendfeed was all about nuggets of information with eventual conversations around them.
- Mario Valente
holla
- sean percival
"Bret and the gang owe it all to us and we have now been paid in full." This would be true, Akiva if Facebook had bought friendfeed for the content...instead they bought it for the talent. I think this could have happened regardless of community involvement, which is why it's an even deeper betrayal.
- Alex Scoble
Why is it a betrayal? Friendfeed is a BUSINESS....
- Rob Sellen :o)
If you don't understand how screwing over your customers is the worst betrayal a business can do, then you shouldn't be in business.
- Alex Scoble
Holy crap! Friendfeed is a business! Wow, I comLETELY forgot!
- Jim: Dead Like FF
Alex, what have you bought from friendfeed so far? I guess it all depends on who you think the customer is.
- Richard Lawler
I bought the use of the service and I paid for it with my time, my words and my word of mouth advertising.
- Alex Scoble
I'm looking for Alex Scoble's time, words and word of mouth advertising on the balance sheet, gimme a sec.
- Richard Lawler
I don't know, Akiva. I've had a lot of good experiences here. Among them was getting to know Robert Scoble and his tag-alongs. I feel like they won me as a user with the technology and community they gave me. It's their party. They get to say when it's over.
- Bruce Lewis
Well said, Akiva.
- Johnny
Word. Right to the point Akiva! http://friendfeed.com/nia...
- Nia
the users never get the credit
- Mark
Are we "customers" Alex? where were we paying??.. I just saw your "time" comment.. I agree there BUT.. it's still a business.
- Rob Sellen :o)
*cries* (some more)
- Jason Huebel
/me offers shoulder.
- τorƍue
really? REALLY? And who is the core group of user to which they depend on so much?
- Patrick Allmond
word Akiva. That post up there, that could me posting it. That how much it rings true with me.
- vijay
That's a direct insult to: (1) everyone who is not part of "us" [whoever your 'us' points to; not me] (2) the brilliant engineering of the FF team [because if it wasn't for your 'us', FB would not have come to them with $50 million].
- Mohamed J
without the team and the VC there would be no "us"
- Thomas Power
If you want to know who the core group of users are, just check out ffholic. And if the FF team is insulted, then they should've better prepared themselves for the backlash that they had to know was coming.
- Akiva Moskovitz
The wealth of social media is in the user community. Your friends are your personal credentials and so it goes... all the way up the line.
- Fossil Huntress
Without the users friendfeed is nothing but lines of code.Actually, without anyone to use it, it would be useless code. Sure VC invested in it, but so did we. And the ff team and VC win and the rest of the investors (us) lose.
- April Russo (app103)
Akiva it's not the developers you are insulting it's all of us "Scoblefollowers" We are part of this community but you decided to swing the high school clique bat and discount us all as nothings. Thank you, that shows your great community spirit... I guess you didn't get what Bette meant by FF snobs.. I'll look at it as a "knee jerk" reaction since I normally like you and your posts.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Look, I see where people are coming from here, but if "community" is gonna be every fifth word, maybe we should work harder not to tear ourselves apart just because some business issues happen. Being worried about the possible changes is understandable. I don't feel "betrayed", I am just worried. But playing clique games is a bad idea, creating "us vs. them" mentality is a bad idea, and...
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- Neal Jansons
Thanks Neal for common sense.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Rasmus, you're not getting the actual sentiment here. The Scoble tag-a-longs are people who followed Scoble from Twitter to FriendFeed and then ended up contributing nothing to the community here other than dumping their Twitter streams and occasionally replying to Scoble's posts. Robert's unique in that he can encourage 20,000 people to join a service but just because they tagged along...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
Neal, I don't see where I've played clique games. As I pointed out above, just go to ffholic.com and look at the 20 most active users. THOSE people are the driving forces behind FriendFeed community. Do you see my name in that list? Nope. I'm not sure what you think my motive is to promote an us vs. them mentality when I am neither part of the 'us' nor part of the 'them'.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Thnx, Jason, I try. I just think that it is a self-fulfilling prophecy to say "OMG FB bought FF, it's gonna destroy the community!" and then go around doing everything we can to polarize ourselves. Save the polarity and extreme positions for blog posts. We need to keep our behavior up to the standard that has made this such an awesome place to be, and if the conditions become untenable,...
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- Neal Jansons
Oh, Akiva, I am not pointing the finger at you at all! The tone is the issue here...upset is turning into angry too much. I am not saying you made a cliquey statement, but people went there. You made a statement about content and value, no us and them. The us and them crap seems to just happen. What I am urging ALL of us (including me) is to be careful and live up to the standards that have made FF great, even if FF goes bye-bye.
- Neal Jansons
Akiva - I am a Scoble "tag-along" as you derisively labelled me/us, so I too resent your holier than thou tone and attitude
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, you need to read through the comments.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Brian...are you here responding and posting? Then you are not who was being referred to. The tag-alongs are those who just go to add numbers and then don't interact at all. The very fact that you saw the comment excludes you from who the comment is about.
- Neal Jansons
Neal, ah, got you. With how tense things are around here right now, it's terribly easy to read the negative into everything.
- Akiva Moskovitz
And for the record, I don't buy into FFholic too much. Follower count is just not a good metric for judging a community. A lot of people I consider "core group" here are not in the top 20.
- Neal Jansons
Neal, true, which is why I referred specifically to the top 20 most active users and not the most popular.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Now thats one post on FF which I've really really really liked...
- Rohit
Akiva...I know, that is exactly why I am urging all of us to be careful. I am trying to willfully ignore things that seem provocative.
- Neal Jansons
Funny, i woulda thought that "core groups" (and there appear to be several claiming the mantle) kinda sorta goes completely against the type of shared community ethos I thought this place was all about.
- Thom Kennon
Thom...core groups are a natural sociological phenomena. They are unavoidable, due to loci of interaction and convergent socialization. I participate in no ethos that pretends like some hippie ideal is going to subvert basic rules of interaction. In any case where there is a community of sufficient size, those who participate more become the core group. Only way not to have one is to have no community or no participation.
- Neal Jansons
I would like to add that just by participating, you're already 'in' on FriendFeed.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I would agree w/ Thom. This week I am more active then Akiva, but I think we are equal as we both are active even though we are in different circles. Now does this make me part of a "core" anything- who knows. Akiva is right, it is the active users that make this happen.
- Joe
I don't know about that.
- Joe
Deakins, contributing is one thing; caring about how many people see your contribution is another.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Neal - yes, totally get the sociological phenomena. I'm talking about how people elevate themselves in comparative self-worth by striving to exclude others not in their "core group". As natural as it may be, it is uncool when waved as a flag in defense of being wronged. You see - it's ironic in this case as some of the core group people are kvetching they got left out in the deal. There is, alas, always a more core core group.
- Thom Kennon
Well it goes both ways. They saw a need for such a site, they created it. We liked it as it suited our tastes. They deserve the credit because they made it, early adopters like you encouraged them keep going. Why say stuff like, "Technology without users is dead"??
- | Balu |
Moskovitz: Care to clarify? My name is Joe.
- Joe
Balu, show me where technology without users is anything else.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Deakins, not really. Hah.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Kibbutz privatization is a trending topic.
- Eric Logan
Okay Moskovitz, you do know the correct way to this. Good day.
- Joe
That was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, Deakins. I just have other things to do right now. I'll return to this thread later.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Ahh, I see what you are saying, Thom. I don't subscribe to that attitude...that isn't a core group as I mean it, that is a clique. I got familiarized with the notion of a "core group" in my activist days, where the sociological aspect was focused on making sure people who were NOT core group got their ideas included and didn't feel excluded. It's a organizational psych. issue...not...
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- Neal Jansons
Look Akiva if you don't have enough courtesy to use my first name then I guess new folks like me are not entitled to respect from FF users like yourself.
- Joe
@neal - cool.
- Thom Kennon
WTF, Deakins? This isn't because anyone thinks they are better than you, he is just responding to usernames, most likely because he is using a client, not the web interface (just like me). All I see is usernames. You are willfully choosing to take offense. Can you keep your narcissistic injury under control? If not, maybe you aren't in the best place emotionally to have a civil discussion and should withdraw.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
If you want people to call you by your first name, include it in your username so people using clients will see it.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
@Akiva Moskovitz I never said users are not necessary. I said, "early adopters like you encouraged them to keep going" Yes you had a role so did many others, who build friendfeed into what it is today. What makes friendfeed special is the underlying code. That's what made you, me and many others stay. The groups, the search, the real-time thingy.. People, the users, make something good, perfect.
- | Balu |
Neal: He already knows my first name and if you look in the comments above you will see that I mentioned it again. So thanks for your tip. :) You have a great day Neal.
- Joe
"Can't we all just get along?"
- Karma Martell
You have a good day too Karma.
- Joe
You too, JD. This should be our biggest problem in life!
- Karma Martell
Balu, ah, now I see what you're saying. Good point, too.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Joe, you must've edited that comment because when I first saw it, all it said was 'Care to clarify'.
- Akiva Moskovitz
No worries Akiva.
- Joe
I don't happen to think it is the underlying code that makes it special. It would be just as special to me if it were the same conversations with the same people on phpbb forum.
- April Russo (app103)
April, on phpbb you wouldn't find the interesting people through all the noise. The precise workings of Like/Hide on FF are important.
- Bruce Lewis
True.
- © b e e n s w a n k
I don't know about that. Well, maybe not phpbb. More like SMF. At least there is a "permanently ignore" mod available that works well as a "hide"" and then there is ones for "ignore user" and ratings, and all kinds of other stuff. And I wouldn't miss anything at all with the unread items page, something Friendfeed lacks. And a slight modification to one of my apps would give me ability to search right from my taskbar.
- April Russo (app103)
EFF YEAH!
- sofarsoShawn
Oooh - Amazon has the Sennheiser mm50ip headphones for iPhone down to £21.99. They're the ones I use and recommend. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp...
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New highly experimental #Dropbox build (0.7.2) adds LAN Syncing, new Finder/Explorer toolbar and performance increases. - http://forums.getdropbox.com/topic...
LouCypher, Angela E. Taylor, Dennis R. and 20 other people liked this
LAN sync on Dropbox looks very clever.
- Bernie Goldbach
Uuh, LAN-Syncing, nice :)
- Dennis R.
See, a lot of people don't understand how powerful FriendFeed is as a Twitter client. It has better groups. Better search. Better block. etc
Rodrigo Jaroszewski, Adam Kinney, andy brudtkuhl and 44 other people liked this
It just doesn't have all my twitter friends, unless there's a way I can add folks who aren't already here. Is there?
- Sam Grover
there is : https://friendfeed.com/setting...
- Stanislas Jourdan
You can NOT create a need, Robert
- directeur
I know about that. Is there a way to automatically add those that aren't already here?
- Sam Grover
But there could be better ways to add non-friendfeed twitterers.
- 1x29
Calling FriendFeed a twitter client is a bit inaccurate. It can post to twitter and you can read people's toots and reply, but you can't do many of the things that an actual Twitter client (star messages, send and receive DMs, follow/unfollow easily, etc.) I'm not complaining because I don't want FriendFeed to be a full-blown Twitter client- just saying :)
- Brett Kelly
In all fairness FriendFeed has made it as simple as pie for people on Twitter to easily sign in/up with Twitter OAUTH. I just think my Twitter network are brave enough to make new friends :-P
- CannonGod
Yea, since FriendFeed has the twitter firehose, I would like to have a simple way to add all the people I'm following. That may still not work for protected twitter feeds.
- Sam Grover
Sam: You're right, it doesn't. I'd like it to be able to do that thought (add private feeds). I'd have no need to go to twitter.com at all then :)
- 1x29
I curse myself for going back to Twitter everytime I enjoy friendfeed. It's just that I as a media-nobody get more interaction and with more diverse people on twitter; probably my fault.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
That's the truth. I admit, I certainly don't. But I don't see it as Twitter client.
- nicky jameson
No way to add someone's twitter if it is a protected feed. That's where imaginary friend fails.
- Nick B.
@Nick example?
- Sebastian
Add your account or a list to this search ( http://friendfeed.com/search... )and the pop out makes a GREAT twitter app. I have a list called Twitter that I made of people I want to keep up with.
- tomit
Where could I read more about Groups? Did they call it "room" in the past? Best practices and cases? Could it be used as a customer forum and member place?
- Martin Lindeskog
I totally agree scoble! i dont use tweetdeck or seesmic as my twitter client.. i use friendfeed! i read most tweets on twitter from my friendfeed page.. the lists of users here are the best!
- Jason Pollock
Enough already, Rob! You've sold me on FriendFeed!
- Thomas Ward
I hardly visit Twitter anymore - I just sync up my followers every couple of weeks
- Anthony Feint
I like that it has more than 140 character, comments and easy importation of fb and twitter friends.
- Ron Hagenhoff
I do just about everything in friendfeed now. I still use twitter, but I don’t watch it anymore. I still need to implement lists here. I could use some advice on the best way to go about it. I just want the time I spend here to me more productive than it is right now. I’m hoping a little organization will help with it.
- Michael Fidler
@sebastian - create imaginary friend - "starsparkle". Then add the twitter account starsparkle to it = "we could not find the give account". RSS feed is available but password protected - suggestions welcome!
- Nick B.
@Nick Yep, 401, http://twitter.com/statuse... doesn't reveal its contents to the public. Thanks.
- Sebastian
better everything
- andy brudtkuhl
FreeAppAlert Notifies You When For-Pay iPhone Apps Become Free - Free - Lifehacker - http://lifehacker.com/5323361...
CannonGod, Roberto Bonini, Dan Dashnaw and 18 other people liked this
Great site design. The mouse rollover pics of apps are very nice .
- sebastian☆rocket brother
This is a handy site!
- Michael Fidler
AppReview for iPhone also does this
- Todd Bouey
from iPhone
Thanks Todd. I'll check it out!
- sebastian☆rocket brother
Clark, definitely! Some sort or recommendation or usage stats/reviews would be great.
- sebastian☆rocket brother
I'm not sure, but I have it set as an RSS feed on my iPhone and I get new updates everyday. Some of them are "Today Only" sale so I'd assume it's pretty quick.
- sebastian☆rocket brother
Testing out a few new apps to see how it helps my workflow on my Mac: Hazel, Spirited Away, Pathfinder, Google Notifier, & TinyAlarm. Share apps that help speed up your workflow.
Ryan - @magicofpi, denise, Beau Liening and 5 other people liked this
Things is always good when you need to sort stuff out.
- h1ro
hazel is really great tool but for 21+ bucks a little expensive
- matjeka
I love hazel. Does all the boring chores and cleaning on my computer so I don´t have to. You can make great customized rules as well. Recommended.
- Terje Mikal Espedal
Joshua - Here are all of the different Mac apps that I use: http://mikebracco.com/mac-sof...
- Mike Bracco
Overflow is all I need
- Outsanity
check out dropzone as well.
- Joshua Schnell
NewsGator Consumer RSS Reader Product Changes & Google Sync- In response to customer demand, NewsGator's best-of-breed consumer RSS applications now work with Google Reader. Google Reader will become the online companion to, and the synchronization platform for NewsGator's RSS reader applications. - http://blogs.newsgator.com/daily...
Kol Tregaskes, manielse (Mark Nielsen), Lu Tao and 9 other people liked this
Consolidation everywhere....
- Liza
So basically NewsGator is canceling their own RSS management products and simply becoming an interface for Google reader if I'm understanding this correctly.
- Mike Bracco
TechCrunch Post on it: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Mike Bracco
I've used FeedDemon for a long time and it was very convenient to store all feeds at NewsGator the only problem was it wasn't possible to share data like in google reader. Now FeedDemon supports Google reader so I moved my feeds to Google reader and still watch them throw FeedDemon. Amazing :)
- Kaspar Minosiants
My memory of FeedDemon (when it was in pre-release beta) was that it kicked ass as a feed reader. But, one I started using Google Reader I never really saw the value in going back to a desktop client.
- Bill Rawlinson
I <3 this - I go back and forth between Netnewswire and Reader. Now I get the best of both worlds :)
- Andy Bold
Except for the potential for off-line viewing, I don't "get" desktop RSS clients compared to using Google Reader. And as far as off-line, can gReader use Gears? I have no real need, so I have no idea.
- Vince DeGeorge
@Vince because there are some people who do not like using GReader perhaps
- Steven Hodson
It is much more convinient to read & manage feeds in FeedDemon than in GReader at least for me.
- Kaspar Minosiants
Foursquare: Why It May Be the Next Twitter - http://mashable.com/2009...
Mac Sharp, Stephen Edgar, Brian and 25 other people liked this
If it is I would be very shocked. But many of the same San Francisco "cool kids" who got me into Twitter are using Four Square.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Maybe if it was available everywhere. It's only useful if it becomes mass adopted and is available in every city - large and small.
- Mike Bracco
On the other hand the article is astute.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Mike: I agree with you. Everytime I try to check in it reminds me I am not in an official place.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I've been trying to check in to Foursquare for the past two hours and it's not working. That's a huge aversion to making me want to use the app.
- Derrick
I love Foursquare. Sometimes it's slow on 3G, but they can fix those problems.
- Eric Florenzano
If Facebook bought Foursquare or provided the same type of service - then that would be really cool! No one wants another platform. It's Facebook, Twitter (and hopefully FF). I don't give much hope to anyone else at this point who is trying to build an app based on mass adoption. In my mind, Facebook is the new Microsoft. It is the next generation OS in a way - one that revolves around connection with others. Like the traditional OS market has shown, only two players can really be viable.
- Mike Bracco
No listings for Toronto? Fail.
- Andrew Currie
Foursquare says there's nothing interesting to do in Champaign, Illinois. Apparently, we're supposed to head up to Chicago for fun. Lame.
- Pat Rice
Is Friendfeed still the next Twitter?
- Andre P. Siregar
Speaking personally, Facebook has been great for connecting with people I know, while Twitter has been great for connecting with strangers/biz contacts (some of whom I've ended up moving into my Facebook line-up). I work at home and so many of the people I mingle with regularly live inside my computer, and I've wished for a while for a widely-adopted platform that would allow my online...
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- Lisa Norman
They'll have to add more European Countries than just Amsterdam - it's pretty useless to me in the UK right now
- Rob Bell
iPhone Nano Confirmed In New Apple Patent - iphone nano - Gizmodo - http://gizmodo.com/5325863...
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"A new Apple patent has revealed what many thought unthinkable: The fabled iPhone nano. Of course, patents don't always result in products, so don't hold your breath. According to the patent, the device has two screens."
- metalerik
from Bookmarklet
uhohhhh, the page was pulled: 'You were redirected to our front page because the URL you requested is unavailable. Please try again later.'
- metalerik
next up... iPhone Shuffle, will call or text from your address book randomly ;-)
- Adriano
there's (already) an app for that! ;)
- metalerik
I just love the new Friendfeed Grasslands theme - with its puffly little clouds floating by. Thanks Brett! http://friendfeed.com/setting...
Kol Tregaskes, Lisa thorell, Jonathan Callahan and 25 other people liked this
So kewl :-)
- Aussie_Camper
from Alert Thingy
I've been shooting ducks for a day now. I think it's time for a change. I think I'll give grasslands a try.
- Michael Fidler
from BuddyFeed
Thats whats I use
- Amit Morson
I too use this theme. It's total Friendfeed tranquility.
- Eric Geller
from iPod
Right there. Grass theme is the current winner. Clouds make me a little dizzy though :)
- Charlie Anzman
The tranquility offsets the blazing speed of page updates... it's all about balance here on FriendFeed!
- Dean "Karnatos" Michaud
The theme is great. Makes the gray osx a little happier :)
- Anton Tanderup
me too. easily best theme. i continually realize visually that i am not working, but swinging the virtual hammock
- Peter Nõu
Watch out! I think I saw something moving in the grass!
- Chris Gardner
Raptor???
- Roberto Bonini
Nice, makes it feel like summertime in here!!!
- Richard Bitting
Mentioned yesterday that I kinda wish the duck hunt theme would look a bit like the Grasslands theme. Until then, I use the Grasslands theme.
- Matthew Horton
I like the purple one with flowers.
- MicahBear78
Grasslands is nice I am also using it. Sometimes hard to click things behind the grass though. I got my right column fixed with a user script and now I can't click all my saved searches. But I go my self to blame so not a problem... But would be nice if the grass moved out of the way from my pointer ;)
- Jesper Lind
Loving the grasslands theme, too. Definitely the best of the bunch. A little slice of the beautiful outdoors while stuck inside staring at a computer.
- Irene Koehler
looks like the iphone just crossed the 'most popular camera on flickr' line: http://www.flickr.com/cameras/
Daniel Rowley, Simon Wicks, Alyx and 10 other people liked this
What's more important on Flickr, quality or quantity? I vote quality, so I see this as a bad sign.
- Mr Saturday Morning NFG
So you think someone cannot create a piece of art with a cell phone? A good work man doesn't blame his tools.
- Mark
http://www.chasejarvis.com/index... 'nuff said...
- Andy Bold
Someone needs to say "told you so" or "touché" or something similar now.
- Mark
not exactly my point. obviously someone with an eye for photography can make art with any camera. when walmart became the most popular retail store on the face of the planet, did we all stop and go "yay"?
- Mr Saturday Morning NFG
I am not much into photography but I think It is much easier to take a photo with cellphone such as Iphone and as always readily available. It is just like Cellphone GPS replacing GPS only devices.
- ashish
I find that having my iPhone with me helps me to take more pics. It is the first device I have had that has a quickly accessible camera that can upload pics within minutes of taking them. (though they tend to be more family oriented and not necessarily flicke material) I think the really important thing is totale more pics, no matter what you use.
- Andy Bold
from email
David- often it becomes true that only with quantity will you get quality. Anyone with an 'eye for photography' will tell you that they take a massive amount of photos for that 'one'.
- Alyx
I understand that, I shoot probably 500 shots, if not more, for every one that I post on Flickr. It's the mass-produced bad glass in the hands of millions of sheep taking over my favorite social media site that bothers me <dons flame retardant suit>. In one sense, I guess we could look at it like photography's version of the lo-fi music movement. Certainly, plenty of great things have come out of that. But that's what Holga's and Diana's are for... only time will tell.
- Mr Saturday Morning NFG
Come on, lets not be snobby and turn photography into high-art like Opera which people are terrified of. It's not up to us to tell people they cannot upload their photos to Flickr unless they are good enough to publish or something.
- Mark
David-- BTW not meaning to flame. In some respects I agree with you, but more as a comment on Flickr in general. To say (imply/infer?) that the iPhone will degrade the quality I find ironic. It takes much searching sometimes to find "quality" on Flickr. Although- I recall not too long ago the 'artists' decrying digital photography. And I am sure we can also go back and hear large format decry 35mm. :) In other words let us recognize the 'quality' no matter where it comes from.
- Alyx
Also I think we need to encourage more phone cam users to use flickr- imagine the historic value that could be attained. Iran elections as prime example us wanting/needing "quantity".
- Alyx
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