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The Unbelievable and Impossible Photos of Li Wei | Webdesigner Depot #photography #china - http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009...
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"Li Wei, a contemporary artist from Beijing China, has been taking self portraits to new heights… literally! His gravity defying photos have been mesmerizing the world, capturing impossible looking moments of apparent extreme danger. You’ll find Wei hanging on in dangerous situations, or crashing head on into sidewalks and cars. Li Wei states that these images are not computer montages and that he works with the help of props such as mirrors, metal wires, scaffolding and acrobatics. He then removes the wires and scaffolding with Photoshop to create these seemingly impossible photos. “My artistic language is universal and deals with themes about contemporary politics and society using symbols understood by everyone in every part of the world. I am fascinated by the unstable and dangerous sides of art…” Here’s a collection of some of Wei’s most outstanding photos, in a unique combination of artistry and acrobatics that are sure to make you take a second look."
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
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his page http://www.liweiart.com/english...
- chaz2b
I love his photographs.
- Ayşe E.
@chaz2b Thanks for your portfolio link. #smlthankyou
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
I've been playing around with Flickr's new people tags for the past hour or so. I like them *a lot*. The only thing is it's that much more metadata to lose when they nuke your account without warning.
Andrei M. Marinescu, Nia, Lars Clausen and 10 other people liked this
I'll believe that when I see it James. I can't even imagine what an export of all your flickr metadata would look like.
- Thomas Hawk
Can you keep people from tagging you?
- Cristo
James, thanks. Turned that off, plus a bunch of other stuff.
- Cristo
paying love with love :-)
- Ricardo Liberato
it took me about 30 minutes to tag everyone in any of my 5,000 + photo's. I don't take a lot of photo's of people on flickr....ha ha
- Squid
You can tag by email address. When you do it sends an email to the person asking them to join Flickr. Very nice.
- Benjamin Golub
People tags?? Tell me more!!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Yeah, it's about time they added something like this.
- Jeremy Brooks
It seems crazy that Flickr is playing catch-up on features like this.
- Chris Nixon
blogged on them here: http://thomashawk.com/2009...
- Thomas Hawk
I've decided I want to have fun with the people tags. I want to find as many pictures of Gary Coleman that I can, and people tag them as me.
- Adam Harrison
That sounds like a good strategy for you Adam. You do actually look like him a little bit.
- Thomas Hawk
BTW, is someone people tags an image with your name, it shows up on your recent activity, but it breaks muting, so you can't get it out of your recent activity. Freakin' annoying.
- Adam Harrison
Ah that stinks. I liked the mute feature! I don't need to know who won what sparkly gif award. So I'm gonna hafta deal with people tagging the hawk til doomsday huh?
- Ryan MacLean
i think this feature is lame - lame like mo on crytstal meth trapped in john travolta's bubble-bot bubble. thats what i think
- Cu12-13V(As,Sb,Sn,Ge)3S16
Thomas, looking at the option it does allow you to enter an email address in the text field, however I guess this would depend on the email address that the user has linked to their account... which also begs the question, does it respect the 'don't display my email address' privacy, I assume it would.
- Travis Koger
it seems like you can add an email address to send them an email, I'm not sure it will query their database though to simply find a match if they are already on Flickr but you just can't find them. That would seem better to me.
- Thomas Hawk
Google und Bing starten Echtzeitsuche. Schnell. - http://www.fischmarkt.de/2009...
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Adobe Lightroom Beta 3 is out. Get it free here: http://labs.adobe.com/technol...
Hans Kainz, Russ G, Ryan - @magicofpi and 8 other people liked this
Looks like some nice features added. Will try out after I install Win 7.
- Joel Lovato
Oh look, they added Flickr integration right into the app.
- meckimac
it appears they simply bought the plugin from this guy that is available for LR2 - http://regex.info/blog...
- Ivan Makarov
that's a good app plugin BTW. Digitalrhino turned me on to it
- ENIGMA ARCANA
still no Metadata filter for "focal length" though - I really miss that!
- meckimac
'The Lightroom 3 beta can't upgrade existing catalogs, and Adobe doesn't guarantee that edits made will be recognized by the final version of the software.' http://news.cnet.com/8301-30...
- tabbr
Install Snow Leopard Onto An External USB Hard Drive - http://www.maciverse.com/install...
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i guess i go this way first
- kosmar
American nothing?
Akash Sharma, LonelyBob, 2ndmoon© and 63 other people liked this
Ouch. Are these signs in the US?
- Internet's Tad
It's stylish to be anti-American, dontchaknow?
- Gus
Yeah, Clear Channel is only in the U.S.
- Carter Rabasa
I think ClearChannel is in the UK also.
- Travis Koger
It appears ClearChannel is also in South Africa. http://www.neandernews.com/...
- Christopher Harley
Why do you hate anti-America, Josh?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
"Please let us clarify that the message on this billboard refers to the characteristics of vehicles manufactured in various countries. American vehicles are famous for being large in size and as a result are not recognized as very fuel efficient. These characteristics are in no way insulting to American vehicles but are regarded as a general perception of the authentic American vehicle...."
- Ken Sheppardson
"...Nevertheless we had to realize that the message on the billboard was not understood and totally misinterpreted. As you might know, we at smart are part of a German-American company and do have customers around the world as well as American employees. Never was it our intention to insult any of these customers, employees or the American public. Therefore please note that we have...
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- Ken Sheppardson
Quotes are from this response to a reader's email to DaimlerChrysler (http://www.neandernews.com/...)
- Ken Sheppardson
They seriously didn't think that one through enough.
- Chieze Okoye
Nice apology.
- Anne Bouey
Hey dumb marketing decision but I like that @Ken is listening. Are you with Smart or represent them Ken.
- Jason Cronkhite
from iPhone
No, I'm not affiliated with Smart or DC. All I did was repost the response from Smart. See the link in my previous comment.
- Ken Sheppardson
=/ hmmm. I *liked* Smart cars, and I'm no flag-waving patriot, but this seems kind of mean and below the belt, and pretentious. #stupidadalert
- Kamilah Gill
Who would want this car in the first place? They're only good for city driving ... hell, it'd be more efficient to get a Vespa or some other scooter-type vehicle.
- Kittyburgers
The smart fortwos make sense for people who only live in the city. Not sure what the appeal of a forfour is, though.
- Andrew C
Ha, I think it's funny. But I already have disdain for most American cars because of their shoddy quality, so YMMV. :P
- Cheryl Jones
Well, I used to have another kind of Smart car (Roadster Coupe with electric targa roof http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif...), and it was awesome and pretty quick with a nice growl from the 3-cylindre Mercedes-Benz back engine and the turbo vent. Still easy to park, cheap and very economical, which actually is just not how the typical American car is known in Europe. Or...
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- Thomas Bøhm
I sold it because it was too low and light for the Norwegian winter (and a convertible!), so maybe it should have said "Norwegian nothing" instead ;) I sold it in the summer to a South African who was going to start working on an oil rig further north in Norway... oops... I´m sure he was in for a surprise.
- Thomas Bøhm
I can anecdote like this all day...
- Thomas Bøhm
Hahahhhaaa!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
wow
- Susan Beebe
I am sure this billboard is fake.
- Kittyburgers
Just be thankful that America is not associated with such a peice of shit. Smart cars are ridiculous only half of Europe won't own up to the fact that they are an embarrasment.
- Kevin J Hatton
Does it have a place to put your Freedom Fries?
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
one of the thirty-two cup-holders should do it, Johnny... especially if you go to BK, they put their fries in cup-holder friendly containers
- Bren, Photophobe
Look, speaking from an outsider (and you all know I have love for the States) but over the past decade the perception of US cars that has been projected to the outside world through popular culture is Pimp My Ride, Hummers, NASCAR, pickups and American Chopper... US cars are known for big power and big vehicles (despite what actually exists) and the Swiss make watches... that is what...
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- Johnny Worthington
@Bren - I'm so carless it actually did not occur to me that's why BK fries came in that ridiculous round container.
- Andrew C
In cars, American used to mean muscle and this billboard stands correct. I would take this American car any day http://www.dodge.com/en...
- Andrew Smith
;-)
- Kittyburgers
from IM
I defy any country to produce higher quality nothing than the good ol' USA.
- Vezquex: God of FF
we've certainly produced it in great volume over the past 20+ years.
- Joe Silence is not dead
This just about sums up my feelings about the smart thing: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/video...
- Kittyburgers
+1 Johnny
- John μller
American billboard advertising?
- Jim Norris
I feel offended that they didn't think Swiss engineering would be a selling point. :-( /swiss+german+engineer
- John μller
pheh... when they are over run with Sharia law I will remind them of their arrogance
- Noah David Simon
Noah, I can't get enough of the "Muslims are breeding Christians out of Europe" meme! Please, do go on.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
every US-made car i have owned in the past 20+ years (and i used to make a point of buying American just on GPs) has been a total piece of crap riddled with design flaws and manuacturing defects. earlier this year my wife and i bought a Toyota Sienna and it's stunning how well thought-out and built that thing is. the US auto makers can go fuck themselves. oh, wait, they already have!
- Joe Silence is not dead
We have ClearChannel billboards in the UK, but they don't seem as prevalent in the north. (Boards from CBS and other advertising companies are the most common there).
- Tyson Key
Actually, the US automakers are doing very well in China. I was reading a very interesting piece in the financial papers the other day.
- Kittyburgers
from IM
didn't keep them from getting a bail-out.
- Joe Silence is not dead
The bail out has nothing to do with my last comment, nor was I basing my comment on this.
- Kittyburgers
it isn't breeding that I fear as much a sword play. if anything a little more breeding might coopt some of the beautiful women from Asia... I'm no racist. I fuck their women (or would if I weren't already a daddy)... I just don't like their religion. I wouldn't buy that car. I like my American made Cannondale mountain bike fine
- Noah David Simon
Italian worker wins 147,807,299 Euro in Italian lottery - http://www.inquisitr.com/34382...
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RT @codepo8: Real transforming bumblebee costume: http://www.youtube.com/watch... (really cool!)
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Apple Store UK gibt 28. August als Versandtermin für Snow Leopard an - http://www.fscklog.com/2009...
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Arnaldo M Pereira to Arnaldo's feed, All Things Google, The Apple Room, All Things Apple, TheNextWeb Forum, RWW: The Future of Tech, building43
Eric Schmidt Resigns From Apple Board - http://theappleblog.com/2009...
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"Google CEO Eric Schmidt has resigned from Apple’s Board of Directors. Given the conflicts of interest, this is not unexpected — Schmidt had already recused himself from any iPhone discussion and now that Google is getting into the OS business, I guess that would leave Schmidt free to talk about hardware. Apple CEO Steve Jobs issued a statement confirming Schmidt’s departure as well as offering praise for Schmidt’s past work on the Board: “Eric has been an excellent Board member for Apple, investing his valuable time, talent, passion and wisdom to help make Apple successful,” Jobs said. “Unfortunately, as Google enters more of Apple’s core businesses, with Android and now Chrome OS, Eric’s effectiveness as an Apple board member will be significantly diminished, since he will have to recuse himself from even larger portions of our meetings due to potential conflicts of interest. Therefore, we have mutually decided that now is the right time for Eric to resign his position on Apple’s board.”"
- Arnaldo M Pereira
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in Friendfeed if you check the twitter box, now they display the number of characters you wrote. smart, but they do not include the potential space left from shrunk URLs
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As far as I know, it isn't necessary since Friendfeed automatically shorten URLs with ff.im. It does the job by itself, no third party needed.
- Jérôme Flipo
Most people think Friendfeed can't match the power of the Twitter ecoystem but native Friendfeed does everything. No need to look for workaround, for photo services, applications to have friends' lists, no need for friends discovery (FF has great recommendations)...
- Jérôme Flipo
Süddeutsche Zeitung Magazin - Fakebook - http://sz-magazin.sueddeutsche.de/statisc...
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Firefox 3.7 Redesign Screenshots
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1. Embracing Glass: Toolbar and Tabs using Glass. Buttons translucent and slightly glossy to meld with the toolbar. Raised 3D lookachieve tactile "feel".
- Farshad
2. Page Button: Connect the Page button to the left side of the tab area. Directly connected to the Page.
- Farshad
3. Tools/Bookmark Bar: Connecting the Tools button to the side of the window to emphasize the fact that it is used for customizing and changing the UI. Adding a button next to that to toggle the Bookmarks bar which is turned off by default.
- Farshad
با ویستا زیباست و با KDE غیر قابل تصور زیباتر!!!
- Mehdi
ویندوز همینه :)
- Farshad
gOS Cloud - First Hands on (Google OS?) - http://www.youtube.com/watch... (via http://friendfeed.com/thunder...)
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dead? the link's working fine...http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Rohit
Company is still around and delivering stuff. Original project aborted (I had one).
- Charlie Anzman
Twitter follower numbers now meaningless? http://www.thetechnewsblog.com/2009...
Daryl Hunt on FF, Jonathan, Jimminy and 15 other people liked this
Now meaningless? Seems like they've been meaningless for a while.
- Bill Kinney
Bill yes
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
When did the number of Twitter followers mean anything?
- Asgeir
Auto Follow & the Follow Me Follow You Back etiquette are the main sources of the problem. But no doubt the "size matters" movement will remain on twitter and few will make as bold a move as John Reese and Mike Filsaime (see http://stopautofollow.com for info) recently. Lets just hope the msg spreads - auto following will break your twitter experience.
- imrat
Have been guilty of using autofollow but not for my account though. It is just necessary since there are those out there who believe that # of followers = authority.
- Likke
Like it or not, it's still impressive to most people on Twitter. Only the most experienced get that it's at least misleading. Scoble, if it's so meaningless, why did you go out of your way to announce when you were approaching 100,000 followers? There's some meaning number of followers, just not as much as it seems on the surface.
- Chris Spizzirri
The bots do alter the numbers. More important then follower numbers is the more people who follow you that engage in meaningful conversation.
- Rob Cairns
I've been using Twitter for over a year and have found 2 things hold true. 1) The same people who say follower numbers mean nothing to them, waste half their life on fridays with that stupid #followfriday crap. 2) Twitter numbers DO impress most Twitter users as they are seen as a measure of influence and reach. I don't even know how many subscribers I have on FriendFeed; because it's no big deal here. It's one of many reasons why I prefer FriendFeed.
- Jim Connolly
Just checked and I have one tenth the number of subscribers here, that I have followers on Twitter. This place is still more valuable to me.
- Jim Connolly
One can only imagine the sales pitch: "With more than 10,000 Twitter followers, JimSmith is a recognized social media guru. Let Jim Smith help your organization win with social media". Recently posted a thought about Twitter Ratios as a measure of value "The Twitter Ratio: Listening, Telling or Dialogue?" a wordy thought on defining your followers. http://tinyurl.com/lzv6fm
- jeff hammond
They are quite meaningless consider a good half your followers couldn't care less what you say and just want you to reciprocate. I have found this holds true very much. To Twitter, having more or less followers than someone is how you are judged and how many are set on being goal-driven to reach a certain amount of followers. And now agreeing with Jim, here on FF the number of subscribers you have doesn't really matter to most users. It is the interactions that count.
- Amir
I agree with Jim. I think people will more likely follow someone for has a "good" amount of followers. I also agree with him about Friendfeed. It is just much better content here.
- TheHenry
Habe ich schon erwähnt, das ich FriendFeed wirklich liebe? Ich ertappe mich mittlerweile sogar dabei, das ich von FF aus twittere. Und du?
Uwe, Hans Kainz, مرســده گیس گلابتون and 4 other people liked this
FriendFeed ist IMHO das nächste große Ding! Ist auch ganz schön in letzter Zeit gewachsen, wenn man die Likes/Comments im Vergleich zu vor nem halben Jahr anschaut. Früher waren es max. 100, nun sind es auch schon mehr als 500.
- Waldemar Schott
Aber in Deutschland dauert alles so lang bis es mal verbreitet ist. Wahrscheinlich muss auch so ein Freund-Verzeichnis kommen, dass es sich verbreitet.
- Waldemar Schott
Die Kombination von Twitter und FriendFeed ist derartig genial, das ich mich frage, wie ich bisher ohne sie ausgekommen bin. Ich wette das werden auch die "Anderen" früher oder später erkennen ;-)
- René Fischer
Ich hoffe, es dauert nicht so lange, bis wir alles auch in Deutsch lesen können
- Hanna Bretzke
Hanna, naja, wenn du die Welt davon überrzeugst dass die jetzt alle Deutsch sprechen sollen, bitte. Ich glaube aber eher wir werden hier in den nächsten 100 Jahren entweder Englisch od. Französisch quatschen... Bei mir läuft sogar das OS auf Englisch. Geht nicht mehr anders.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Seit heute ist die neue FriendFeed API (2.0) verfügbar. Wir werden wahrscheinlich relativ zügig iPhone Apps sehen, die FriendFeed ähnlich einfach zugänglich machen, wie Twitter. Damit könnte es auch in Deutschland klappen.
- Ralf Rottmann
Allerdings: Solange XING der Maßstab ist... habe ich relativ begrenzte Hoffnung. Leider.
- Ralf Rottmann
My 15-year-old son Patrick, on why teens don't use Twitter: "They don't see the point."
Doug Randall in SL, echostreamer, Daniel Chow and 95 other people liked this
Most teens just want to talk with their friends, not write to the world, he says.
- Robert Scoble
that's it- the understanding of publics.
- Kevin Marks
Plus they have video games for entertainment and have lots of time. I don't have time, so Twitter is a form of entertainment that I can get in bite sized chunks.
- Robert Scoble
That's it in one sentence: "Most teens just want to talk with their friends, not write to the world, he says" now maybe the world can start spinning again.
- Hoop
It's really interesting how I've noticed that most of my peers (20-somethings) are too hooked on Facebook to use Twitter or FriendFeed. Again, they don't see the point; Facebook has built-in Twitter that shares with the people they already know and care about.
- Jason Preston
my 13 yr old daughter says the same
- Miguel Rodriguez
too easy to get in trouble for what you say - on most networks you have to accept the invite of those who want to connect - not so on twitter
- Julie Gallaher
That's the same response I get from nieces and nephews.
- Joseph Ferris
Same thing I hear from a ton of people, regardless of age. For most people, they first need a "point" to use it or else they either don't sign up or don't return.
- Jeff Peters
Because their parents are there
- Bwana ☠
danah talked about how some teens are using private twitter accounts, as Facebook is now too public, as their parents and teachers are there http://bit.ly/Awmw9 Multiple publics http://bit.ly/publics
- Kevin Marks
My 14-year-old daughter doesn't want to share her life with the world on Twitter...and I'm good with that!
- Kirsti Scott
They care, like us about reputation, but within their 'groups' - not publicly....
- Mrinal Desai
I am here, and I am only thirteen. But I use it to post news, not about my life.
- Zachary TG
I'll have to explain it to her in detail before she gets it, prefers Facebook since ALL of her friends are there
- Miguel Rodriguez
Kids today don't understand nor care about the social dynamics that they will be involved in. Without a solid background now they can never hope to make truly justified choices later on. It scares me because I have to deal with them directly.
- Adam
Good plan, Zachary!
- Kirsti Scott
I'm not much older than your son, but I have a twitter. Noticeably many of my friends detest twitter and compare it to facebook status messages, therefore they are unable to understand what makes Twitter great. Facebook has managed to grab the minds of us teenagers. I must admit I am much more inclined to update my facebook statuses as my friends will comment on it.
- Rahul Krishnakumar
Adam- Pardon? I do.
- Zachary TG
the reason Twitter does well with teens is because they don’t care about networking – the act of creating/extending a network – as much as they do in their existing network itself. http://www.kanjhan.com/2009...
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
PARDON ME! DOES ANYBODY HAVE A BRAIN?
- Zachary TG
Don't worry Zachary - you don't exist in this thread
- Bwana ☠
And why?
- Zachary TG
It seems that every ones use of these tools is a bit different. I use twitter/friendfeed to keep in touch with fellow surfers and fellow web developers I know both here and across the world. Twitter/friendfeed have be come my best tools for this.
- Luke Kilpatrick
My son, while I type into FriendFeed, is playing Halo. The original one.
- Robert Scoble
Yet when I talk about the importance of tying Twitter to gaming, I get ignored
- Bwana ☠
Zach - no clue man, you're the exception the point in this thread :)
- Bwana ☠
Also teenagers are less likely to stick with Twitter long enough to make it useful to them, Facebook has a sort of instant gratification with adding your friends and commenting them etc.
- Chris Lawrence
I am @ricklafave on twitter, but I see the gap being that teens are all about text direct conversations. I see a huge gap in communication between the generations.
- Rick LaFave
Thank you for that clarification.
- Zachary TG
Bwana- You just got yourself another subscriber. :)
- Zachary TG
Hey now, I'm 16 and Twitter totally rules over Facebook for me. Twitter's for discussing news; Facebook's for your personal life. Totally agree w/ Zachary TG
- Kirk R. Arner
Success!
- Bwana ☠
I'm with Zachary, Adam... that was a bit of a blanket statement.
- Bettina Tizzy
Not too big on FriendFeed, though. Not enough people use it yet.
- Kirk R. Arner
I got to this through Scoble's Twitter crossposting.
- Kirk R. Arner
Bettina Tizzy: Thank you
- Zachary TG
Of course there are exceptions, I'm 19 and I'm on Friendfeed and Twitter, but we're talking about the majority of teenagers, Kirk and Zachary.
- Chris Lawrence
Have to agree here... my kid (13) and step brother (14) are total facebook kids... they occasionally hop on MySpace as well. Both try to get into Twitter, but really do not see the point.
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
Chris Lawrence: I understand. But like 60% of students at my school use Twitter, only around 40% use Facebook.
- Zachary TG
By the time today's teens are into things they'll look upon Twitter like we now look at IRC. I'm wondering if I even still have an IRC client on my machine....
- Andrew Leyden
Totally agree, Chris, but more teens are into tech than people think. Not all of us are texting to our friends about useless junk 24/7.
- Kirk R. Arner
because it takes too long and is too involved...
- Morgan Haley
Adults are very lazy...140 characters is tough to power through, but doable. The only people lazier than adults? Teenagers. Why bother with Twitter when their lives revolve around Facebook and it meets all their needs?
- Todd Pringle
That's really cool, I know about three of my friends on Twitter and they never use it haha. And if they do they use it as they would Facebook status.
- Chris Lawrence
Even though I text friends, it is just for information, not for useless information.
- Zachary TG
Todd Pringle: I am so not lazy. I wouldn't be spelling my words correctly now would I?
- Zachary TG
Texting has always been really big in Australia, Zachary. It's a habit that's hard to get out of.
- Chris Lawrence
Well yeah, same for me, but we're the exceptions.
- Kirk R. Arner
Except for the Australia thing.
- Kirk R. Arner
Zach: speaking in generalities of course. Clearly you are an exception. All up on Friendfeed and whatnot.
- Todd Pringle
I recently started texting. But it was almost created in Canada.
- Zachary TG
I will be happy when everyone has the internet in their pocket and I can just email people instead of spending 25c everytime I want to use 140 characters :(
- Chris Lawrence
Todd Pringle: Thank you. I see that people on FriendFeed are different then the casual social networker. We have manners and use large words and sentences. Thank you
- Zachary TG
goes back to "announce" vs. "discuss", too. Fb has nice "my friends and family" feel that Twitter and FF don't yet have.
- MikeAmundsen
Chris Lawrence- What is the 25c for?
- Zachary TG
Depends on geographic area. Here it was the Myspace revolution, then slowly became Facebook. The early adopters of Facebook jumped on the Twitter ship and now the middle stage of Facebook adopters are jumping to Twitter. Does Facebook rule supreme among my group? Yes, with myspace a close second, and twitter slowly catching up. PS, i'm 16.
- Sean Quinn
It's 25c per SMS in Australia.
- Chris Lawrence
I also don't think most teenagers grasp the difference between Twitter and Facebook. My friends who are content with Facebook don't see any need for Twitter and are actually puzzled by it's intended use. Over and over again I here, "Well Facebook can do that, can't it?"
- Angus Burton
OK
- Zachary TG
It is only 5c in Canada per text, and unlimited for 5 dollars.
- Zachary TG
Yeah phone plans in Australia are really ridiculous. There are hardly any unlimited SMS plans and the ones that are you are usually paying over $80 a month. But I digress!
- Chris Lawrence
Wow.
- Zachary TG
But our data plans are outrageous. $30 for only 500MB.
- Zachary TG
My 16-year-old daughter said the same thing a few months back. But she finally relented and is on Twitter now. A few weeks ago she said "I've never been more informed in my life" since joining.
- Patrick Giblin
Seeing the longtail of Twitter takes a somewhat more mature mindset. That's why some mature teens can 'get' Twitter and why some childish adults don't (and content with Facebook).
- CannonGod
I think the topic teens liking or not liking twitter topic is entertaining at best. Does anyone have any decent statistics on this? Not to mention the term "teen" is pretty loose 13 and 18 are a world apart. I would think a teen using or not using would be more based on their personal interest. My 20 and 30 year old friends that aren't in the tech industry could care less about it.
- Nicholas Fidanza
Admittedly younger generations want to talk with less ppl but more frequently, and adults want to create more connections for friendship or financial gain. Kids don't need to worry about being loved, they have mum & dad at the end of the day :-P Sad single geeks however...
- CannonGod
@Angus that was a comment concern among my friends. Where twitter began to rule was among mobile updating. Although teens can use and do use Facebook Mobile, a two-way conversation can work well among a group of friends via Twitter on mobile phones much rather than Facebook status updates/conversations on Facebook, in my experience.
- Sean Quinn
I'm 16 and me and my close group of friends use twitter-its possible to have "chat room" like conversations about things (where are we gonna go after school, etc.) if we're all hooked up on it-it works great, but admittedly some kids use twitter more than others (like me)
- Oliver Reich
My 15 year old chats on Myspace with her friends. I told here to message one of her regular chat buddies as "You Troll" today and she laughed until she almost peed her pants. :)
- Eric Logan
I just see Twitter as Social SMS. Teens like texting, so really it's just an extension of that. I can therefore see it being used more as a tool rather than an actual network per-say.
- CannonGod
While it’s possible to make Twitter “private,” the culture of Twitter is all about participation in a large public square. From the digerati seeking widespread attention to the politically minded hoping to appear on CNN, many are leveraging Twitter to be part of a broad dialogue. Teens are much more motivated to talk only with their friends and they learned a harsh lesson with social...
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- Johni Fisher
my oldest is 20 and uses Twitter and friendfeed a lot but he's a techie- my youngest is 17, uses mostly facebook and sms with friends - doesn't grok twitter yet he's very social...
- mike "glemak" dunn
from iPhone
got kids 24, 22, & 18. 24 is the only Tweeter. all use Fb. none use FF.
- MikeAmundsen
There's a great article up on the London Guardian about this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/busines...
- Steffan Antonas
The article discusses that Teens like building out profiles, and taking to people they know. Twitter's not really for that - it's used more for information sharing IMO.
- Steffan Antonas
It's a crime to suggest that Twitter as a whole is just a single feature of FB and has been that way since the beginning. I never understood when Twittr was demo'd to me how a single feature of a bigger app (in my case, IM status/mood messages) needed to be an app on its own. However, what the early adopter mass wants, the early adopter mass gets (until the mainstream mass shows up and it's zomg culture/class war... I LOVE watching this.)
- Eric Rice
Sean: That's a good point. Strangely, using Twitter as a conversation base didn't occur to me. I actually thought more about using a FriendFeed room for that.
- Angus Burton
I agree with Patrick and I'm well past my teens! FF adds talking with my friends, so it works.
- Rachel Lea Fox
It is simple: kids don't use Twitter because they dont have an iPhone! Most teenagers don't have a decent internet enabled device that allows them to use Twitter nicely. Most parents can't afford (or want) to pay $150+ phone bills for their kids plus buy them an iPhone. I have many young friends and they all love the "Big Brother" spirit of Twitter. I totally dont believe the "I'm a...
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- Arturo Toledo
No dis... I have a 19 y/o daughter...Maybe it because he sees you using it and thinks its an "old people" thing... ?
- Ron Thompson
What does he think about FF?
- Geoff Schultz
Geoff: same thing, but then he might be biased cause I hang here all day and it's simply not cool to hang out with your parents when you're 15.
- Robert Scoble
It's a lot easier to have friends in school. On the outside you have to be a bit more proactive.
- Todd Hoff
True enough Robert, Also true Todd.
- Geoff Schultz
I only use Twitter to broadcast what I am doing on Posterous, and FriendFeed.
- Matt Ruiz
I'm an older (some say very old) user and friends my age don't do Twitter, FB etc. Their opinion: why bother when I have email? Why would I want to share with the Internet at large? The web is full of idiots.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Geoff: I read FriendFeed I just don't post very much. I enjoy reading Twitter and FF they can cetainly be informative and interesting. None of my friends are on Twitter so I was speaking from my experience with them, not all teens.
- Patrick Scoble
Todd: That is also absolutely true with students.
- Patrick Scoble
It is true but a lot of adults don't see the point of it either at the moment and I think it'll change.I'm 19 and I think it's more useful than Facebook etc.
- Craig Malone
kids dont use words or language, they communicat through hyperlinks & txt. as they get older, they'll appreciate the value of words
- echostreamer
Teens spend 6 or 8 hours a day within a few hundred feet of most of the people they know. Why would they need Twitter?
- Rob Sterling
the same reason they spend the next 8 hours glued to facebook and the internet instead of going outside to chill with those friends (no offense :)
- echostreamer
Yeah, but information on Facebook is shared the same way as in school - it's hierarchical and clique-based. Kids are more like base primates than adults. Twitter is too open, when they want to control the dissemination of information among those people they know in school.
- Rob Sterling
There are a lot of 13-15 year-olds on Twitter, just look around :) The best way to find them is to find a celebrity who might garner a teen following ... That said, Twitter is (for now) nowhere near as popular with teens as MySpace and Facebook, for sure.
- dcap
Also, most kids can't afford smartphones, and using Twitter exclusively by text message is mostly a one-way affair. It's pretty lame. I bet your 15 y.o. son loves to text and spends hours on Facebook.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
I think teens may be more privacy savvy than the media paints them. They know that a nasty Tweet about a school official can get them expelled; but a private txt is safe.
- Robert Hafer
How many teens are marketing gurus and life coaches? Kids aren't selling anything and see no need to sell themselves. THAT'S why they don't care about Twitter.
- Kimber Scott
Robert: it is worse than that. One message can get them shunned.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Just like my older friends, they have no desire to connect with the Twitter-verse at large. But for different reasons.
- Robert Hafer
I've been looking for the point for a long time :O) - To me it has become a place where I can "vocalize" things I've always just said to myself before. I just find it funny anyone actually "listens"
- Bill Rawlinson
Sounds familiar: http://blog.monicaobrien.com/why-hig...
- Monica O'Brien
There are many uses of twitter :)
- Key KnowHow
I think its good that teens don't like twitter. We can get on here without them!
- Su Butcher
As a teenager I didn't see the point of reading a newspaper either, but now I work in one!
- | Balu |
I don't have any friends, so I'm forced to write for the world.
- Big K
Interns in my office say they know college friends starting to use Twitter. Of course, none of the interns actually do. Twitter seems to be good for celebrities and professional networking.
- Hutch Carpenter
What's the big deal ? Most teens don't follow current events like politics or the economy either, it's not what being a kid is about.
- Doug Randall in SL
So that means he will like Google Wave? = the next Teen Twitter
- Hans Kainz
We can't say that Google Wave is the next Twitter, it's more instant messaging than anything (and I'd say FriendFeed relates more to it than Twitter does).
- Hugh Isaacs II
I do deeply hope that Google Wave takes off. I really hate signing into my msn account just to keep in touch with friends who can't get on the GTalk bandwagon or just don't see the point.
- Chris Chua
I think if you could start a conversation like this one on twitter just like on ff or fb with commenting tweets or just parsing them when you reply, it would be a lot more interesting
- Kaysha
Interesting that the 15 year old kid who got the job at Morgan Stanley did so because his mum knew a chap who she met when dog walking - so not what he knew but who his mum knew, and because of that he had an audience for his opinion.
- Simon Rogers
another possibility ADD
- polou/indigo_bow
Wrote a post about this a long time ago. Interaction will scale down as the possibilities to interact scale up. The next gen doesn't care about talking to the whole world. There is little value in it
- Alexander van Elsas
from iPhone
Just blogged on this subject. I don't believe this is a generational issue. It's about privacy and signal:noise ratio. When those degrade, communities migrate to new social networking services, regardless of group members' average age. http://lehawes.wordpress.com/2009...
- Larry Hawes
the wisdom of youth!
- Neil Ashworth
Today, Google engineers announced a technology called PubSubHubbub that makes RSS/Atom more real-time, and they deployed the technology on FeedBurner. FriendFeed also added support for the technology, so if you have a FeedBurner feed, your updates should show up in FriendFeed within seconds rather than minutes after the feed updates.
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To enable it for your FeedBurner feed: go to Feedburner, click on the "Publicize" tab, and then click on "PingShot" and enable the PingShot service. That will enable PubSubHubbub and send your feed to a number of ping services.
- Bret Taylor
what, right now? i mean immediately? From today?
- Zee.
Zee: yes, right now!
- Benjamin Golub
Zee: yes, from today, though the technology is very much "in beta," so I am sure there will be hiccups.
- Bret Taylor
Excellent, thank you Bret and FF, will switch this on now. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
WOW.
- Zee.
Nice - thanks Bret!
- Jim Connolly
RSS is back in the game... then
- Yann Ropars
This is very cool
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Once step closer to being able to build an open distributed twitter like system!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
this has been done already by superfeedr.com - google's behind the game on this one, but def takes it mainstream.
- Scott Magdalein
I don't understand. Updates won't appear on Feedburner in realtime, so what's the point?
- Peter
Peter: most blogging platforms ping Feedburner when you post a new entry, Feedburner pulls down the feed, Feedburner then pings the hub, then the hub notifies FriendFeed :)
- Benjamin Golub
Thanks Benjamin. Alas, my feeds are not that sophisticated.
- Peter
We're still working out kinks so if you have any issues please send me a message!
- Brett Slatkin
You lost me at "Today" I shall now just smile and nod politely
- Steve C
Where's the spec?
- Dave Winer
Dave: http://pubsubhubbub.googlecode.com/svn.... Edit: Brett beat me by nanoseconds!
- Benjamin Golub
If I understand correctly this essentially turns any site with a feedburner feed into a real time publisher? But to read it in real time you need what?
- BryanSchuetz
Since this is a Google thingie, does it work on Google Reader already?
- Tarmo Aidantausta
FriendFeed can receive the pings *RIGHT NOW*
- Brett Slatkin
guys, how long are we really talking before it should appear here? Seconds or minutes?
- Zee.
The Reader integration is a prototype; more to come soon!
- Brett Slatkin
no way, so Google Reader could technically go real time??
- Zee.
That would be cool, wouldn't it? =)
- Brett Slatkin
I stopped reading here: "RSS isn't supported for simplicity." Laughing. Out. Loud.
- Dave Winer
I better make sure i get post titles right the first time round.....
- Zee.
Brett - any chance i could ask you a couple of questions via email or dm?
- Zee.
Hey Dave that's my mistake. We support RSS! http://code.google.com/p... I need to update the spec.
- Brett Slatkin
is that SUP's role take up by those rss accelerator? or SUP is losing a chance to propagate in this field?
- huixing
Huixing: we plan to support all widely adopted real-time standards to make FriendFeed better. We are not tied to SUP only.
- Bret Taylor
from iPhone
Brett, why didn't you use the weblogs.com ping protocol? Your comment there about RSS, right up front, really captures the whole philosophy -- right? Let's just reinvent stuff that already works, so... Why? To break everything that already works? It won't happen that way. It'll only make your adoption curve steeper.
- Dave Winer
Would you ping me (dave dot winer at gmail dot com) when I can use RSS with this system. I'll be happy to evaluate it and provide feedback if necessary, and endorse it if it works. Thanks in advance.
- Dave Winer
Alright we've fixed in the spec Dave. Sorry for the mistake. Followed up.
- Brett Slatkin
Dave you can use rss feeds http://code.google.com/p...
- Darren Stuart
I agree why didn't ff just implement a ping server and just let people add it to their blogs?
- Darren Stuart
Darren: you can use our public SUP in that way: http://friendfeed.com/api...
- Benjamin Golub
Zee- there are some debugging tools at the bottom of http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/, which I think is the hub you're using. For example, I don't see anything here: http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/topic-d...
- Casey Muller
Ping this, ping there. What's so great about it?
- Burcu Dogan
Benjamin: thanks that just saved me a little work. Should be linked on the api page I think. ;)
- Darren Stuart
Just enabled this myself, glad to be on the bleeding edge for once !
- Justin Long
Awesome. Just enabled it. Thanks for the details Brett.
- Mark Krynsky
Mark, can you let me know if it works for ya?
- Zee.
@Casey i can't seem to get it working
- Zee.
Darren: it's linked from http://code.google.com/p... but yeah we should do a better job of exposing it.
- Benjamin Golub
I had enabled from way before, let's see if the post I'm about to publish works. I'll DM you Zee if it does!
- Jorge Escobar
can someone please let me know if they've managed to get this working?
- Zee.
There's also a WP plugin I wrote that does the same thing. This might be a good option for anyone who's not using feedburner. http://wordpress.org/extend...
- Josh Fraser
Zee, I set this up for my Empoprise-BI blog, wrote a blog post (using Blogger), and six minutes after posting I haven't seen anything in Google Reader or FriendFeed yet. So if you're not getting advertised response, you're not the only one. I'll test again at a later time.
- John E. Bredehoft
cool...just want to be sure it isn't me alone
- Zee.
Update - seven minutes after posting, the post showed up on FriendFeed (both in my feed, and in a group that receives the blog feed). Nothing in Google Reader yet.
- John E. Bredehoft
Josh Fraser - nice!
- Micah Wittman
John: The Reader integration we demo'ed was a prototype; more to come in the future!
- Brett Slatkin
yeah, it seems 7 minutes is about how long its taking me for too (to arrive in friendfeed)
- Zee.
Could you DM me the feed URL? I'll look into the details and figure out the issue. Like I said before, we're still working out a few kinks (the FeedBurner integration is initial support right now). So thanks in advance for your help in making it super fast!
- Brett Slatkin
Ready? Go!
- Jorge Escobar
Nope, nothing... published at 4:34pm EST
- Jorge Escobar
Brett, the one i'm testing it on is http://zee.me/blog and the feedburner url is http://feeds2.feedburner.com/zblog1
- Zee.
4:42pm, 8 minutes after I published and the article still doesn't show. My blog is at http://jungleg.com and the feed is http://feeds.feedburner.com/jungleg
- Jorge Escobar
Looking into it now, thanks!
- Brett Slatkin
Thanks Brett!
- Jorge Escobar
Cheers Brett - i'm itching here... :)
- Zee.
If you're looking for another implementation of PubSubHubbub, I'd suggest you give a look to our http://superfeedr.com ;) Thanks for your time and feedback!
- Julien
Heh, what's the idea behind the crazy name? ;)
- Tyson Key
does self hosted wordpress natively ping feedburner?
- Tyler Gillies
Try it for yourself! http://friendfeed.com/pubsubh.... My test took only 8 seconds. Amazing (via http://friendfeed.com/brett)
- Jérôme Flipo
Nice to see XMPP more and more used on the web! It's a nice environment, also for cloud computing!
- Egon Willighagen
Nice tech, strange name though. Wonder if Google has a projectname generator, feeds it some foundation words, and then watches it spew out 1,835391 suggestions in 20-sized chunks? Too bad they didn't pick up PubSubBuzz instead, rhymes better. Also, what was EVER WRONG with PubSubHubris? (fresh and full of promise).
- ianf ⌘
This tech has been around for ages. It's getting much needed promotion right now, but it's not new. The name comes from XMPP's pubsub mechanism, with hubbub on the end. The option for PingShot has also been in Feedburner for months.
- Marlin Forbes
I think that unless you have installed the pubsubhubbub plugin for wordpress, that feedburner still polls your content. It pushes your content out to other interested parties using the new mechanism, but it will still poll your feed. Correct?
- Marlin Forbes
you can have wordpress ping feedburner under settings->writing add http://ping.feedburner.com
- Tyler Gillies
great to see you talk today bret, thanks
- sean percival
appreciate that
- Hans Kainz
My feedburner feed updated in real-time but the blog post is still not published here on friendfeed?
- Svartling
didn't work for me on last post....and i have the ping shot on
- Bob DeMarco
Just wanted to let you know it worked for me yesterday. Almost a minutes after I posted on my blog it was up in FriendFeed
- Jorge Escobar
Great!
- Brett Slatkin
[SteroidFeed]: Here is my new way of watching feeds on FriendFeed. I call it SteroidFeed but it is also a "Multi-Talk" style interface ... the file sits locally and allows me to view multiple topics. I've attached a copy of the simple html. Feel free to modify the html but please leave attribution and share your changes. Leave a URL if on Internet.
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Of course, the version I uploaded does not include my own entries but instead has the iPhone entry as an example. My local copy uses "from:lph" so I can see my entries and add comments quickly. (e.g., this comment is added through steroidfeed.html and not through the site.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
If Adrian Veidt had FriendFeed instead of just satellite TV, this is totally how he would have read it.
- Andrew C
There is a danger, Chrome has trouble with this many connections to FF.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I borrowed it here, LPH. http://friendfeed.com/louisgr...
- Louis Gray
I've changed this file a bit so that a fourth column is available, and this holds a rowspan of my own entries. This makes tracking easier.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I should state that the fourth column is an embed so that I can add comments, photos, files, etc. - That code is similar to the one on my personal blog: http://www.layneheiny.com
- LPH™ and his dog P™
SteroidFeed 1.01 is now available: http://friendfeed.com/lph...
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Really cool!
- matiasjajaja
hey i like this!
- Susan Beebe
Have fun Susan
- LPH™ and his dog P™
from iPhone
Interesting use of Iframes for this, gonna play with this, really cool LPH and his Dog. Thanks!
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Thanks! I'm trying it out now.
- Mark Jepsen
Let me know Susan, Mark, and Dan.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Ah! I like. Thanks.
- Christopher A Carr
You are most welcome Christopher Carr
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Trying this on a 1024 x 768 resolution, 12-inch notebook - and it is fine with all four columns.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
OK - so are you asking - can I span this across multiple monitors? -- because Elvis used to watch multiple t.v.s at the same time.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
(Veidt's TV setup: http://skew.dailyskew.com/uploade... )
- Andrew C
that's great!
- PaperDoll
Keep it comin' :)
- Charlie Anzman
I have made a meme of friendfeed embeds here: http://ff.clipotech.com/
- Svartling
Svartling - yes - your setup is nice. I've gone back and forth between 3 and 4 columns. My desktop setup can handle 4 but the notebook (1024x768) can only handle 3. Therefore, http://www.steroidfeed.com is only sitting at 3 right now. I'm also missing the instructions on how to make changes for anyone not familiar with FF.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Yes I was thinking of make 3 columns but I decided to make it 4 because my web stats shows that most visitors have a resolution at 1024x768 or higher. Maybe I will change to 3 columns. Hmm..
- Svartling
Really appreciated man, one of the best things for my following attitude
- Amiroo ™
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Speeding Up RSS - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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They should have mentioned http://superfeedr.com : that is exactly what we do ;)
- Julien
Is the Wordpress Jabber Solution already available?
- Hans Kainz
@Hans : yes, but you have to pay for it...
- Julien
Am I wrong or Philip Seymour Hoffman look exactly like Robert Scoble? Robert you didn't say you've got an oscar.
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haha pretty close ;)
- Saad Kamal
see also: http://gawker.com/tech... (from one of the results of that search)
- Chris Heath
OMG, Robert, you do look like Philip. *lol*
- Mol, Time Warping
Does that mean an Oscar is a shiny new toy?
- John E. Bredehoft
or maybe he's got a double life, daytime geek nighttime the big oscar winner LOL. That would be interesting if we have Apple WWDC and Oscar at the same time.
- Amiroo ™
I get this all the time! He's my stunt double!
- Robert Scoble
We should chart the number of times this old chestnut appears. Or something. Amusing thing is it always seems to be exactly the same pics used for the example, lol
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
FriendFeed the Movie
- Christopher Harris
twins
- Morgan Haley
I always thought that Seymour Hoffman was Scoble's alter ego. I bet they have never been photographed together. Coincidence? I don't think so!
- Keith Beucler
Pretty close. :) Seymour Hoffman maybe underrated but he's a superb actor.
- jan geronimo
not that you don't get star treatment already ;) but you could walk into anywhere channeling PSH - best tables and autographs baby!
- BEX
Huh? I thought "Robert Scoble" was just PSH's on-line alter-ego...
- Adrian
I have thought that for a long time. Nice.
- Ben Hanten
It's Philip Seymour Hoffman's biggest role to date!
- Joshua M
Ok, to disprove the conspiracy... I propose that this *Robert Scoble* shave his head and appear in public. Although, I suppose PSH could just wear a wig.
- Adrian
Hmmm looks like Robert in 30 years...
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
I heard they're really twins separated at birth.
- imabonehead
I was just watching State and Main yesterday that "the big secret" had been revealed to me
- Amiroo ™
I am certain @scobleizer was used as a double in Doubt.
- Bernie Goldbach
They are brothers I guess!
- Frankie Gray
You are right they look alike.
- alfred westerveld
Friendfeed activity #1 - Scoble baiting: Interestingly he hasn't taken it yet. Proof that the man does actually sleep.
- John Hardy
I had really noticed this when watching "Synecdoche, New York" ;)
- Jacque
anyone else wondering if philip seymour hoffman ever gets 'you look exactly like robert scoble'?
- siggimus
Yup. i wonder if he does.......
- Roberto Bonini
Yes he does.....I have almost mistaken him a couple of times.
- Kevin J Hatton
Hey I know that photo: http://www.zooomr.com/photos... :)
- Thomas Hawk
Hehe... I've mentioned that to my wife several times. If they ever make a movie about Scoble, Phillip Seymour Hoffman it is (or vice versa).
- LionelatDell
Congrats on the Oscar Scoble your work in the last M.I film was unbelievable how do you blog and act at the same time your freaking amazing.
- Luke Jeffrey Smith
OMG, congrats to Robert Scoble, you have won the Media Master Award for being a FriendFeed cheerleader. LOL.
- Zachary TG
Report: Apple to add micro projectors to upcoming iPhone and iPod Touch models | NetworkWorld.com Community - http://www.networkworld.com/communi...
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the report goes on to note that Apple will be one of the companies who will implement Foxlink's mobile projector in an upcoming model of the iPhone. While the report suggests that Apple will include such a feature by the end of 2009, Apple seems pretty intent on maintaining its strategy of upgrading the iPhone once a year, during the Summer months. That does, however, open up the possibility of the iPod Touch receiving such functionality before the iPhone, but Apple seems intent on putting its latest and greatest features into the iPhone first, and then migrating them over to the Touch.
- Joshua Schnell
from Bookmarklet
Can we just get some better battery life instead, or is that too much to ask?
- Joshua Schnell
add the projector and you'll get about 30 minutes!
- Joe Silence is not dead
That seems way out of line with how Apple does things. I'd be surprised to see it happen and less than enthusiastic about using it or ever seeing it used in bars and restaurants.
- Christopher Harley
The loser with Google's OS announcement? Tariq Krim. He has a very cool netbook OS, Jolicloud, that won't get traction now.
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Jolicloud is a netbook OS built around social networking, but now that everyone will hang out waiting for Google's effort his system is going to find it tough to get traction. At least that's my theory. http://www.jolicloud.com/ is the web page for Jolicloud.
- Robert Scoble
Wonder if anyone disagrees with my thesis?
- Robert Scoble
i just told that to my roommate. you are right.
- mehdi
Pretty logical conclusion I'd say. But who knows, crazier stuff has happened.
- Geoff Schultz
Hate to see that happen, what if he's is the next "one"?
- James Hunter
my only problem signed up months ago still waiting for an invite I have 2 netbooks and have been looking for a good os for them
- zac_in_ak
Better question -- knowing that Google OS was an inevitability, was the hope for any real traction for Jolicloud realistic?
- Tony Hung
Nope :) It's now going to inflate the valuation of his company as investors recognise they can jump into this early new market. You only lose when no one is talking about you.
- Elias Bizannes
...unless m$ buys out the company to compete in the netbook OS wars.
- imabonehead
Jolicloud is in a good place - acquisition by another big player?
- Matt Mastracci
If it is a truly amazing product it will find a way to succeed.
- Geoff Schultz
I'll have to give it a try. I don't like Ubuntu Remix
- Peter Warnock
His favorite letters might be I,P and O
- James Hunter
interesting with this Google OS thing. so many alternatives. I so want to write my own OS/distro like this Jolicould when I have extra free time.
- Zac Bowling
OUCH - that will surely cause pain for Jolicloud ... 1st to market is soooo key for success
- Susan Beebe
I can see smaller/lighter netbooks, specifically smartbooks running snapdragon & linux, running Google OS
- Rodfather
Susan, counterpoint: look at Classmates vs. Friendster vs. Facebook
- Matt Mastracci
i am not into the netbook market, just thinking to build my own little netbook from old laptop when its getting older.
- polou/indigo_bow
I do not think we are ready for a Cloud OS. I think a cloud workspace maybe but not a full os.
- Dave Mora
Susan: I thought Google OS won't come until second half of 2010. Jolicloud will get here earlier. By the way, being first isn't always a good path to success. Being a fast follower often means more success.
- Robert Scoble
google OS netbooks will come out in 2010 os will be available sooner
- zac_in_ak
I started to say I've already gotten my netbook, but then I remembered I'm waiting for the one from Asus.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Everyone is honestly a little netbook crazy. under powered pieces of crap that annoy the hell out of me. I agree with Apple with not targeting this area.
- Zac Bowling
There will be at least comparison with jolicloud. And this is a good point for him.
- Frédéric Sidler
from iPhone
Sory I do not know both products but, both Google OS and Jolicloud are open source? Whoever convince more HW manufacturers to bundle on their netbook than wins (probably Google). Than there is a clear loser here Microsoft. If alternative devices get traction over PC/notebook, MS monopoly on desktop may erode. Well this may well take 10-15 years :)
- Kaan Bingol
Well once us normal people can get our hands on it... he has at least a year or so until we can touch Google's OS.
- Dean Clark
Some of the apps are social in nature, but enough aren't (WINE, VLC, DropBox, etc.) that it doesn't feel like the social aspect is all Tariq is going for. I think he's (wisely) targeted the most popular web apps that just happen to be somewhat social in nature. Who knows? There may be room for both. Just because it comes from Google doesn't mean it'll be a hit (*cough*ORKUT*cough*)
- Brian Baggett
SaaS_OS comes in and derails M$ desktop consumer marketshare.
- C. Jason Mancebo
Tariq Krim will probably need to refocus his efforts and figure out the niche for Jolicloud.
- Loren
Maybe Google should buy Jolicloud and rename it as Chrome OS? They did it with doubleclick and others in the past, why not now?
- Hans Kainz
That's assuming Google Chrome OS will take off ... remember Google Notebook, Google Answers etc ;)
- Nicholas James
I seriously doubt the world is going to breathlessly wait around well into 2010 for Chrome. Sounds like another Linux Dist. put out by a co. that keeps products in beta for years.
- JimmyJet
JimmyNet: Its another Linux dist by the biggest online company out there...using Linux. That's something Ubuntu and Canonical cannot achieve. It also depends on how Chrome OS develops. Right now, it seems to be basically a way to get into the browser and use web-apps, nothing more. That's nothing like current Linux big boys Ubuntu/Fedora who are more like Windows/Mac OS in their structure. Google Chrome OS lives and dies by web-apps, so it seems and that is a double-edged sword.
- Manuel Mas
Was intrigued by Jolicloud and wanted to find out more.....but as soon as I heard about Google Chrome OS, I have to admit I totally forgot about Jolicloud!
- Bonnie Foster
Not sure. If Tariq delivers on the Jolicloud promise, he only needs a couple of telco/operator deals to get bootstrap. Operators are probably happy to have something that can compete with Windows 7 because it will help them negotiate lower license prices. Plus tariq has room to innovate by through better integration with all the best of breed services users/operators really care about. They just raise 4.2M so I would not call them dead until they had the chance to fully launch Jolicloud.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
My company was in the same kind of trouble when Microsoft decided to deliver a product which was doing the same as ours. Microsoft did not sell a single license of it in France, but a lot of our historical partners shifted their attention to Microsoft product. It took them 2 years to discover the product was so flawed that even Microsoft shops would not buy it ... It has hurt us but we survived the storm and are still a proud Microsoft partner :)
- Christophe Pierret
The bottom of FriendFeed's page should have a "Best of day" link. That way people who scroll to the bottom of the page would be offered something new to do to stay on FriendFeed instead of leaving.
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When I'm at the bottom of the page, I go back to top... by then something different has usually come up.
- Paola Bonomo
I don't want the bottom to be more interesting, that way I can get back to work when I get there. ;-)
- Ruchira S. Datta
scrolling back to the top works well...
- Geer
Why not just click on Older Items, and then you can see he same items you just saw (i.e. whatever items now have numbers 31-60) in a different order?
- j1m
j1m, at least the way I do FF is scan the page to see what's going on now, then scan the best of day if I want to read more. I had never clicked on Older Items until you mentioned it, and have to say I probably won't again. But if you had a "best of day" link at the bottom of the page, I would stay on FF longer.
- Matt Cutts
high engagement, poor recirculation. i imagine (hope) this will change in the future.
- sean percival
how about a shortcut key that automatically brought you to the top of the page... thats where the freshest content would be plus scrolling can be terrible if youve opened a thread with lots of comments
- Frankie Warren
pageless scrolling is nice too :) let them go all the way down this river.
- sean percival
they should at least integrate a button to jump to the top of the page?
- Hans Kainz
I think that is a good tip
- alfred westerveld
And... it's live: http://friendfeed.com/paul...
- Bill Strathearn
More awesomeness! Great suggestion Matt. Like the way it changes with Favorites, Groups, etc. Cool day for FF
- Charlie Anzman
Wish granted!
- Jérôme Flipo
Yes and Matt you've been acknowledged here: http://ff.im/4JC5b :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Nice. Love a company that listens and immediately implements the good ideas. :) Thanks FF guys.
- Travis Koger
降低跳出率的一个好方法，赞~
- 阿石
thanks for nice tip!
- Naz
This feature was on the previous version of FF..... there was also best of week / month...
- David Berrebi
Fwd: We just launched Appsfire (for mac only for now) A new iPhone service that allow you to share easily iPhone apps with your friends. Try it on http://appsfire.com (1000 first arrived first served) (via http://friendfeed.com/applero...)
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Looks interesting - trying it out now.
- Patrick Jordan
Couple questions: why does it need to install as a service rather than just a standard app? Why does Firefox not like your site's security certificate?
- Patrick Jordan
Exactly Patrick. Kind of scared me away as well. That, along with the lack of any clear explanation about what I was getting into, sealed the 'no deal' for me.
- Dan Dashnaw
Downloaded it too although I'm not sure of it's utility, meaning I'm not sure exactly what it does. Is it actual app sharing or is it designed to simply tell people what apps you're using? Some clarity would be helpful as would some comfort about security and privacy. thanks.
- David Hall
from BuddyFeed
Has anyone tried this out since? I've been holding off until some of the questions above are addressed.
- David Hall
from BuddyFeed
I installed, did one test list to share here, saw it was a service and saw Firefox certificate error, asked questions here, saw no answers, uninstalled for now.
- Patrick Jordan
Hi All, it is not possible to just list your purchased iPhone app without a third party program that does that. We ll soon have a native iPhone app in complement but still you ll need to install the app on your computer (it is a one time set up).
- Ouriel Ohayon
We had an issue with the security certificate (that protects your data). Now solved. Let us know if any issue (contact at appsfire dot com)
- Ouriel Ohayon
Re: Utility. The main purpose, today of appsfire, is to help users (and pubilshers) create and share simply their favorite iPhone apps. instead of manually doing the job, specially when you are asked for a recommendation, you can just point them to a link and also help your friends install faster the apps (they just have to click). Soon we ll allow users to make money out of this by sharing revenues with any app purchased via Appsfire
- Ouriel Ohayon
@ Ouriel - why does the app need to be installed as / run as a service? If I want it to re-check my set of apps, I'll ask it to. I don't feel a need for it to continually be running, and do not like the concept of that either.
- Patrick Jordan
@patrick you are in control. if you don't want an automatic update, just uncheck the box in the preference pane and when you want go there and rescan. We really focused on giving 100% to users
- Ouriel Ohayon
@ Ouriel - I noticed the checkbox to turn off automatic updating. That's fine, but that wasn't my question. My question was why does it need to run as a service, especially if I do not want auto-updates? Why does it not just install as a normal app, that I launch when I want to look at sharing iPhone apps?
- Patrick Jordan
Hi Patrick . really sorry for the long delay. i answered you privately by email
- Ouriel Ohayon
If You’re a FriendFeed Addict, You Must Use Feedly - Thoughts on social media, the web and technology - jungleG - http://jungleg.com/2009...
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"It has changed the way I consume and share content, and the coolest thing is that Feedly supports the SUP methodology that FriendFeed uses, so that things that you react to on Feedly are immediately posted to your FriendFeed page. You can even “like” and comment right from the application and see the conversations around the posts back on FriendFeed."
- Jorge Escobar
from Bookmarklet
Opml management bummed me out
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
from iPhone
Feedly launched in June of 2008, here: http://louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
Louis - Are you a feedly user?
- Brett Kelly
Thanks Louis, I've updated my blog with your post, had no idea it had been around all that time
- Jorge Escobar
Daps. Feedly is all that.
- Greg Santos
I first became addicted to feedly then I discovered friendfeed. It's a great together, love the way when surfing the web you can see whether a certain page has been discussed or is being discussed on ff.
- Jacob
Jorge, I think Feedly is fantastic. I would absolutely use it if it ran native in Safari. Also, as I like to be "first" to stories, I still tend to use the Google Reader interface and power through. So I am a Feedly fan even if I don't use it every day.
- Louis Gray
I agree, too :) I have not used GReader since I discovered feedly.
- Roberto Bonini
Feedly also helps me to know what to share, as it tells me if a blog post or news article is already being shared by others. At that point I can just 'like' it, instead of cluttering FriendFeed with more repetitive stuff. Love it!
- Jorge Escobar
Thanks Jorge. We are indeed very big Friendfeed fans. More integration points soon.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Feedly was the magic bullet that convinced me to switch back from Safari. I really miss Safari's speed, but I can't live without Feedly.
- cecily
Come to think of it, Firefox should invest in them (at least) ;)
- Jorge Escobar
Forget Firefox. Google should.
- Roberto Bonini
For those of you interested in Chrome and Safari support, please send me an email to edwink@devhd.com and I will see if we can give you early access to something we are working on (Louis you are already on the list)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I like Feedly. It doesn't make me feel bad for not powering through all my GReader posts. It feels more natural somehow: like reading the paper instead of, er, a bunch of RSS feeds.
- David Young
Well said david.
- Roberto Bonini
*sends email immediately*
- cecily
@David, absolutely agree
- Jorge Escobar
speaking of feedly. has anyone run into this display error? http://img2.pict.com/4d...
- Bicentennial (Franc)
@Franc, haven't seen this yet. You should report on their Get Satisfaction page http://getsatisfaction.com/feedly
- Jorge Escobar
Franc: are you running version 2.0? (the version available on http://www.feedly.com)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
If one is using FriendFeed as one's primary Feed aggregator/filter/reader, is Feedly still necessary?
- Alex Schleber
@Alex I think there is a different need for both. Consuming RSS feeds via a reader is something that some people prefer. I certainly tried to use FF as my reader, but there was something missing.
- Jorge Escobar
I use an love Feedly, I have tried to use FF as my feed aggregator but I agree with Jorge Escobar, there is something missing, maybe its the ability to save for later or the layout, but what ever it is I keep going back to Feedly.
- Kim Landwehr
When you share to FF using feedly, is there a way to make it show the picture?
- Alix Whitmire
any images on the post you share will be post in FriendFeed automatically
- Jorge Escobar
from IM
Hmm, I tried that and it didn't work.
- Alix Whitmire
Hi Alix, if you post the description of the problem you are seeing at getsatisfaction/feedly, we can try to help you troubleshoot it.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
works for me... maybe the image on the post you are sharing is not standard
- Jorge Escobar
from IM
Sorry...did not see the previous post about what was not working... Yes. to share a picture, before you click on the friendfeed share, ALT+click on the image you want to share. This will create an annotation using that image. Then click on the friendfeed share icon. Similarly, you can highlight snippets of texts and click on annotation in the popup menu. (We are working on making this a little more intuitive)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Aha, Edwin - that works, thanks!
- Alix Whitmire
I used Google Reader but never cared for it. Then I found Feedly and I love it! Thanks Edwin, I did not know myself how to share a picture in a story.
- Bonnie Foster
I love feedly, and the only reason I still open Firefox is to use it. I can't wait until they have an addon for Chrome!
- Michael Fidler
When I used to use Firefox, Feedly was essential. Now I use Safari so no more Feedly for me.
- Akiva Moskovitz
After installed, my GMarks stop working. I had to uninstall it. :(
- Burçak Çubukçu
According to this thread, it's coming for Chrome http://friendfeed.com/louisgr...
- Jorge Escobar
Burçak Çubukçu: you are correct. There are incompatibilities with gmarks.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That's some good news Edwin. now I feel more compelled to use FF (Firefox not friendfeed) quote: "Then click on the friendfeed share icon. Similarly, you can highlight snippets of texts and click on annotation in the popup menu. (We are working on making this a little more intuitive)"
- Bicentennial (Franc)
I was using v. 1.2 beta. I'm insatlling new v.
- Bicentennial (Franc)
Do I still need Firefox to run it?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
at this point yes, Rasheen. Chrome version is under development, though.
- Jorge Escobar
from IM
Somehow feedly isn't reading my Google Alerts feeds correctly from the latest tabs. How can I fix that?
- Amani
LOVING feedly. But how does it decide which FF conversation to link to when it says "join the conversation." Also, is there a way to share on FF from the feedly mini thing?
- Ted Roden
Jorge, thanks for highlighting this wonderful Feedly feature. I tried using it and gave it up, and now realize that I didn't really use the Friendfeed integration at all. Sigh! (Back to installing Feedly)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Edwin, any reason why my saved items page never loads anymore? Its been like this for about 3 days now.
- Amani
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