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I'm off to London 2012 to see the Closing Ceremonies of the Olympics, thanks to @Badoo. Anyone up for something fun Saturday night?
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Gonna be a fun show today!
- Robert Scoble
Gillmor Gang vs. Dream Team against Argentina. Decisions... decisions :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Wish I could be here for the entire show, but...I will try to disrupt while I can
- Francine Hardaway
hello alllll
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Welcome to two factor authentication.
- Jerry Schuman
Remote Wipe is such a bad idea.
- Kevin Marks
Scoble has a grey beard and is losing some fur.
- Francine Hardaway
If you use LastPass turn on two-factor there too.
- Jerry Schuman
I turned off BOTH remote wipe and 2-factor authentication. I tried 2-factor and it was too difficult
- Francine Hardaway
I think I will start using LastPass for the important accounts and use 2-factor there. Easier, Jerry
- Francine Hardaway
oh God another thing to have to think about
- Tina Chase Gillmor
we're supposed to be backing up? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
didn't seem like there wasn't anything epic with RIM remote wipes, was there?
- Da
Francine, the problem is that you're still exposed on a service by service basis without a secondary auth method even if you do it on LastPass only. That at least does protect your password library.
- Jerry Schuman
Good lesson to use a good/unique password for your online backup/last line of defense...
- Denise Howell
No Steve, not just once.
- Francine Hardaway
I am backed up by Google, iCloud, and Carbonite. Itsn't that enough?
- Francine Hardaway
It is painful to setup two-factor in general. I don't think it's that bad once it's setup.
- Jerry Schuman
Robert needs non auto-mute on
- Kevin Marks
2 factor can make it worse, if it assumes possession fo cellphone is the second factor
- Kevin Marks
wow, allowing password changes using some fairly pubic information
- Da
I have OTP devices across my entire line of devices..
- Jerry Schuman
The details on the "epic hack:" http://www.wired.com/gadgetl... If you haven't read it.
- Robert Scoble
If you haven't yet, get SecuriToken for your Macs. It's free
- Jerry Schuman
30 second One-Time Passwords
- Jerry Schuman
You can setup Google Authenticator for LastPass, Robert. Works just fine.
- Jerry Schuman
Hi gang !!!
- Rocky Barbanica
THat's why I didn't get nuts.
- Francine Hardaway
screen-saver password
- Da
Hi Rocman, my love
- Francine Hardaway
Kevin, that is true if you don't protect entry into your phone.
- Jerry Schuman
I'm the new TRICASTER MASTER in da house ! ok - Tina can still kick my A$$ but I'm creepin in close :-)
- Rocky Barbanica
Proximity sensors and Geo-location are definitely up and coming players in this space of security.
- Jerry Schuman
Enterprise taken over OAuth http://hueniverse.com/2012...
- clive boulton
Francine - I just LOVE you, my dear!
- Rocky Barbanica
Rocky...I know nothing ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Most hacks are done through social engineering and always has been.
- Jerry Schuman
Apple and Amazon use same 4 digits of credit card to perform identity and display in public on web.
- clive boulton
That's what I am. Ignorant and don't need to worry about all this
- Francine Hardaway
Same 4 digits Security Flaw!!! Apple and Amazon - we can do better!!
- clive boulton
banks use the sort code and account number printed on every check you have to let people take money out.
- Kevin Marks
Most rich people I know are ignorant
- Francine Hardaway
most rich people I know are geeks and pretty smart
- Kevin Marks
My banks also have 2-factor authentication now
- Francine Hardaway
Most rich people I know are comfortably numb :)
- clive boulton
last 4 credit card numbers he got from Amazon is in receipts
- Da
Foo Fighters at Outside Lands today - wish I were there
- Rocky Barbanica
Well said John
- clive boulton
my 15 yr old son thinks Minecraft is awesome, that and Redditt
- Da
bet they have 2-factor authentication
- Rocky Barbanica
You don't live in AZ Kevin
- Francine Hardaway
I'll be there tomorrow (Outside Lands). In fact about 2am...
- Aron Michalski
I guess I have to play Minecraft to see what it's like
- Francine Hardaway
he built a tricked out PC to play MInecraft
- Da
I don't game. Ironically own a Wii, XBox 360 and PS3....
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark: same here. Except no wii. I used to own one of those but I gave it to a nephew who actually used it.
- Robert Scoble
NICE Aron !
- Rocky Barbanica
Scoob seems REALLY calm today - good ole DISNEY !!!
- Rocky Barbanica
First talke about how people are buying Twitter followers on EBay
- Francine Hardaway
Liked Kevin's Minecraft brief.
- clive boulton
NOTE: Same reason why Google Plus still hasn't created an API for 3rd party clients.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Daniella - you here ?
- Rocky Barbanica
Rocky: give me a few minutes. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Zynga shr price seems to be suffering from FB withdrawl
- clive boulton
Darn Aron... will miss you again
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina - HAH - as if - you've forgotten more than I know at this point :-)
- Rocky Barbanica
We are flying in from Mexico City in a few hours and going straight to work.
- Aron Michalski
Friendfeed. It just works.
- Laura Norvig
Friendfeed is awesome
- Da
Long Live 'The Dead' Friendfeed!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Friendfeed needs more embedding options.
- clive boulton
When I flew to Hawaii, Benioff was seated in front of me - nice to see and talk to him again...
- Rocky Barbanica
It seems like Twitter has waffled over openness.
- Laura Norvig
theres-only-one-truly-open-platform-the-web http://gigaom.com/2012...
- Da
Straddling web enterprise is awkward (but irresistible play)
- clive boulton
Wordpress does OK
- Kevin Marks
I forgot I have an identica account.
- Laura Norvig
Shift to XAuth solves or complicates?
- clive boulton
which XAuth?
- Kevin Marks
It's just annoying when conversations about a resource I post are fragmented/siloed. I blame capitalism.
- Laura Norvig
OAuth is good infrastructure
- Kevin Marks
Thought: if there was a "Push Gateway" in the cloud for all to consume, it could save battery life and can be transported to all your devices.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
conversations are always fragmented; we only ever see a subset of the web.
- Kevin Marks
widgets are also pretty awesome for notification
- Da
Mark, you mean like urbanairship.com ?
- Kevin Marks
I KNEW the Glasses would come in here at some point - CHYAAAAA
- Rocky Barbanica
oye with the glasses again
- Tina Chase Gillmor
so is the gov't, Robert
- Rocky Barbanica
Da, I live within my widgets on my Tablets and Phone, great dashboard tool.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Kevin, not exactly but not very familiar with the service so maybe I'm wrong. Will look into it more.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
TALK to your GLASSES -- hehehe WHOA !!! I'll have what he's having
- Rocky Barbanica
Am I late? Customers came first, sorry about that :-)
- Charlie Isaacs
XAuth by OpenStack Keystone project
- clive boulton
Charlie, where do you get this "customer first" nonsense? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
one good filter: if enough people are talking about it in my Google Reader, then something's up
- Da
LOL - always had a prollem with that too, Tina - until it was a mandate whence I work
- Rocky Barbanica
I feel obligated to post to both Twitter and Facebook if I find an awesome resource. A lot of the *same* people are following me in both places. They have to decide which place to comment on it. One convo goes in one direction, the other goes in another. It's OK, but it's not optimal.
- Laura Norvig
haha Tina, sorry, you're right, my wife is first :)
- Charlie Isaacs
Cavalia is a damn good show
- Kevin Marks
You guys have been talking about this exact topic for four years.
- Laura Norvig
four years? At least 10
- Kevin Marks
I missed the first six.
- Laura Norvig
OH TASHECL - WTF ?
- Rocky Barbanica
Even though I live in RSS (for Blogs, Twitter, G+, etc), I admit RSS tools do need better filters. Nobody has perfected context and filters.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Path is the same as everything else.
- Laura Norvig
TASHEK
- Rocky Barbanica
Dave Winer just tweeted "If I were using a Twitter clone, I'd want it to support RSS feeds in both directions, from the start, for everything."
- Charlie Isaacs
Path now lets Arrington nag me about not logging into path. Yay.
- Kevin Marks
hehe look at Robert's expression
- Rocky Barbanica
You do, Scoble.
- Laura Norvig
Rocky, is he blushing?
- Laura Norvig
that Path "shame" thing is like FB "pole", no?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It's the mentioning on TV & Radio that moves average users. Pinterest gets some airtime and BOOM. Marketing still is alive!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I like Tashecl - I think it means something in Turkish ...
- John Taschek
I think my brother-in-lawe
- Tina Chase Gillmor
oops
- Tina Chase Gillmor
my kid is not on Path nor any of his friends, Instagram is big though
- Da
one sone exists on txt messages, the other on reddit
- Kevin Marks
my daughter loves Instagram.... and she has thousands of followers
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@Kevin, chances you are open to speaking on OAuth at http://www.siliconvalley-codecamp.com/
- clive boulton
We have rented the large speaker room. Seats 1200. (we chatted at #pii2012)
- clive boulton
Gray, the Studio Cat, is once again trying to pick his way back into the room. He is highly upset about being locked out
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Kayak sends me these notifications "shouldn't you be home with your wife" or "you spent too much on this ticket"
- Charlie Isaacs
Heh.
- Robert Scoble
Tina - mine too - instagram is a staple for that gen
- Rocky Barbanica
What would GG be without Kevin Marks ???
- Rocky Barbanica
"A rogue advertisement sneaks through his junkbuster proxy and spams glowing fifties kitsch across his navigation window which is blinking for a moment before a phage process kills it and spawns a new filter." -Accelerando
- Da
I love that BEHING Steve shot - Tina ROCKS !!!!
- Rocky Barbanica
the poorer, rocky!
- Hilary Talbot
BEHIND - sheesh
- Rocky Barbanica
Oooooo - bad drop outs
- Rocky Barbanica
SCOBLE !!!!
- Rocky Barbanica
Nuthead----- hahha
- Rocky Barbanica
Rocky you need to be standing next to Scoble...the Rocky Filter
- Charlie Isaacs
RIM doesn't have a device problem, they have a OS/Apps problem (MSFT has to make a move)
- clive boulton
hehe- thanks Charlie - I don't get hazardos duty pay
- Rocky Barbanica
Heh. Robert & Rocky show would be very popular but would get us fired.
- Robert Scoble
Steve is looking like an orchestra conductor, trying to herd the kittens (or was that arm waving?)
- Charlie Isaacs
*dead*
- Laura Norvig
GO KEVIN !!!!
- Rocky Barbanica
BB still massively popular in Asia (esp with chatting teenz)
- clive boulton
RIM has an 'oh crap we didn't choose android' problem
- Kevin Marks
RIM ? WTF?
- Rocky Barbanica
Gillmor - we love ya dude
- Rocky Barbanica
Ohhhh - BTW - RocmaUSA got a new tattoo in Hawaii
- Rocky Barbanica
Hula dancer?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm sorry I missed the beginning of this show. Where do the videos get archived?
- Laura Norvig
MSFT doubles down buys RIM or RIM backfits Android?
- clive boulton
cant even spell my name right - whoa!
- Rocky Barbanica
I'm worried about iCloud
- Kevin Marks
they clearly have some things wrong there
- Kevin Marks
And I miss my iDisk.
- Kevin Marks
Laura - Techcrunch
- Tina Chase Gillmor
OH SCOBLE - not when we travel with YOU driving
- Rocky Barbanica
thx, Tina.
- Laura Norvig
I feel pretty secure about being hooked into the Google
- Da
k - i'm done - thanks for putting up with me today ! Love y'all
- Rocky Barbanica
The Gillmor Gang filtering/signalling system http://ow.ly/i/QdBR
- Charlie Isaacs
We love to have GG do a live show at http://www.siliconvalley-codecamp.com/
- clive boulton
Pete Best's Beatles
- Kevin Marks
SVCC large room seats 1200
- clive boulton
cliveb: I put that on my calendar, thanks. Not sure we can do a show, though.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert - the Gu will be in town too.
- clive boulton
Laura - this show should post tomorrow at 10am Pacific
- Tina Chase Gillmor
GIllmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PT participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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We are going to have an exclusive product launch from http://www.moboto.co on today's show (he launches soon). It's a cool iOS "appcessory". Plus, I have the latest Windows 8 on today's show.
- Robert Scoble
It's too bad I'll miss it.. the joys of moving drywall around in the rain (over product launches and Windows 8).. hah
- Kevin Costain
Say, @Robert, did you get this recent version of Win8 installed on a tablet? I wonder how nice that experience is.
- Kevin Costain
Kevin: nope, I'm running it on a laptop.
- Robert Scoble
hello there
- Kevin Marks
Hello Kevin. Kevin. Kevin. (Memories of the movie Spies Like us).. ;)
- Kevin Costain
did you read http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.ca/2012... robert?
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: yes, and I retweeted it too. I totally agree with that article.
- Robert Scoble
By the way, Mark Solomon @solomonomolos on Twitter is gonna join me. He worked at HP on the Palm team, so who knows what we'll talk about.
- Robert Scoble
I have, Kevin - I think it was Robert who Retweeted it into my stream..
- Kevin Costain
Oh, he still works at HP. Sort of like Woz when Woz created the Apple I.
- Robert Scoble
Just a few more minutes before we start. Steve is joining everyone into the call.
- Robert Scoble
I don't agree with that whole "a Windows 7 emulator tacked onto it" thing.. ummm.. well, anyway..
- Kevin Costain
Is there a reason why FF is still used as the comment system? Is Google Plus not up to the task?
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: Google+ isn't embeddable yet. Hopefully soon.
- Robert Scoble
Now, I must go.. Have a good one folks... Thanks guys!
- Kevin Costain
Kevin: Windows 7 is sort of hanging out in the background.
- Robert Scoble
I think it is likely that it is not real time either -- that part of it seems very poorly implemented.
- Brian Sullivan
hi everybody!
- Francine Hardaway
ready to rumble
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Aloha!
- Nir Ben Yona
Brian: Windows 8 seems pretty fast.
- Robert Scoble
Who needs this?
- Francine Hardaway
looks like a character from Questionable Content
- Kevin Marks
what problem is this the solution for?
- Francine Hardaway
This can be fun for some but not for me.
- Terrence Yang
A custom dock! Just what I was waiting for
- Francine Hardaway
solution for lonely iphone owners
- Matt Terenzio
I'm not THAT lonely< Matt
- Francine Hardaway
it'll make John Malkovitch able to have longer conversations with Siri without his arm aching
- Kevin Marks
I am not following this to see a commercial -- can someone please end this?
- Brian Sullivan
Am I imagining it, or is each and every gang member smirking?
- Amyloo
John Taschek looks like he's into disco today with the combo of his big mic and that shirt.
- Jeff Grosse
I ho[e so AmyLoo
- Francine Hardaway
A few iterations away it could be a Star Trek-like concierge.
- Matt Terenzio
it's a platform - i can see this evolving with some interesting applications
- Ankush Narula
John Taschek is the disco King!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Oh, please
- Francine Hardaway
That last snark was meant for Arkush:-)
- Francine Hardaway
yeah - i thought so
- Ankush Narula
who advises these guys?
- Francine Hardaway
looks like Pintsize to me
- Kevin Marks
rectangles and squares...brilliant!
- dan farber
and icons. because people don't read anymore ...
- Laura Norvig
hello Dan Farber
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Hi Dan
- Francine Hardaway
can you get any real work done on a 7" $200 tablet?
- Ankush Narula
Steve drinking out of the George Harrison glass today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Samsung's Android tablets are at the $400-$500 range.
- Nir Ben Yona
Ankush: I don't think you have to. They're consumption devices.
- Evan Prodromou
if your work involves reading or watching video, sure
- Kevin Marks
i don't think that's the bulk of the tablet replacing a laptop/netbook market
- Ankush Narula
No ... not Office; maybe something else.
- studentforce
enterprise will care about Word
- Francine Hardaway
MS knows that enterprises take years to switch...so low risk
- dan farber
Give me love give me hope . . give me peace on earth
- Matt Terenzio
agree Dan
- Francine Hardaway
they developed Word and Excel on the Mac
- Kevin Marks
I believe corporations are increasing the rate by which they change due to byod
- studentforce
but people who work "in the enterprise" travel. And tablets are smaller than laptops, people want to get work done on their tablets, I think.
- Laura Norvig
Hey Dan
- Keith Teare
Mary Meeker's slides were real eye-opener
- Tom Guarriello
Thr new YOUNGER worker
- Francine Hardaway
all iPad all the time
- Tina Chase Gillmor
10" $600/avg tablet is the most dominant
- Ankush Narula
Talking to a guy from Princeton the other day and he was telling me all their young and old faculty/staff are using iPads
- Tom Guarriello
MS has to get in the tablet game before Apple/Android totally runs away...but on desktop slow to move...windows tablet needs to have business apps
- dan farber
I don't think that's true, Francine -- not in my workplace anyway, re:age
- Amyloo
re Meeker. I'm a devotee - here's my bit.ly bundle. https://bitly.com/bundles...
- Keith Teare
The case is made for Nokia/MS to buy RIM
- clive boulton
students are the real market. They will drive adoption of ALL the HW/SW/SaaS for the next 20 years.
- studentforce
yes, studentforce
- Francine Hardaway
but it will also drive windows users to iOS .... isn't that what John T was saying?
- studentforce
Metro depends on Chromebook Android convergence
- clive boulton
whoa Kevin just threw back a lot of whiskey.... or maybe it was iced tea ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
please lets get into an eTextbook discussion
- studentforce
Wonder how long it will take to become adopted in the workplace. Windows 7 took freakin' *years*
- Amyloo
eTextbooks MUST be platform, operating system, etc. AGNOSTIC. It has to be for all.
- studentforce
'not dramatic' - sounds perfect for 90 pct enterprise / home buyers
- clive boulton
does that look like a Whiskey glass?
- Kevin Marks
that's why they have to be agnostic
- studentforce
studentforce built on the force.com platform WILL BE THE STANDARDIZED PLATFORM.
- studentforce
Taschek ... tell him!
- studentforce
Lots of students just don't buy textbooks, not right away anyway, until they are sure they can't get by with out it for a given class
- Amyloo
Kevin, every vessel could be a whiskey glass... in my book
- Tina Chase Gillmor
community colleges aren't going to give each kid an iPad and tell them to read their texts on it, Robert. You are dreaming. Cheap tablets will also be used
- Francine Hardaway
lol, Keith Teare, FUYM! Nice new acronym!
- Tom Guarriello
Studentforce has a point. He may not end up being the platform, but IOS won't be the only one eithrr
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: 'BOOM"!
- studentforce
HTML5 - we FUYM!
- Keith Teare
I'm not beating you up
- studentforce
WIX is a wonderful startup and they just shifted to HTML 5 http://instagr.am/p...
- Nir Ben Yona
bullshit
- studentforce
You guys see the O'Reilly editor last week who thinks Amazon is going for $zero for books. Says they'll be ad supported?
- Amyloo
That makes sense
- Francine Hardaway
There's only so many Palo Alto budgeted schools.
- clive boulton
Robert, I teach in a college
- Francine Hardaway
Amyloo: I agree that might be the way they go. I'm thinking of doing a book and we're thinking of doing it for very low cost.
- Robert Scoble
Anyone familiar with Chegg? Just noticed they have a new extext reader - not sure for which platforms
- Laura Norvig
I would bet on Kickstarter-funded books over ad-funded
- Kevin Marks
Francine: yup, I know. You probably are right that Android will get in the game but for now all I see is iPads when I visit college campuses and textbook companies. That probably will change, though.
- Robert Scoble
Ellison has a web camera on Oracle roof pointed at Osprey nest.
- clive boulton
think Steve just got iced tea up the nose
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@Amyloo He was an old man who fished alone in a skiff in the Gulf Stream and he had gone eighty-four days now without taking a fish. (Sponsored by Chicken of the Sea) . . .
- Matt Terenzio
For Robert: 5 slides on eTextbooks: https://studentforce.my.salesforce.com/sfc...
- studentforce
nice, MT
- Jerome Hughes
Matt is v. silly
- Amyloo
someone released the hounds
- Kevin Marks
Terenzio: Hemingway????
- Francine Hardaway
right
- Matt Terenzio
shoot I missed Kevin's puppies
- Tina Chase Gillmor
enjoyed rewatching OMatS one late night at a friend's recently… Spencer Tracy
- Jerome Hughes
brb, need another drink
- Kevin Marks
hey Kevin bring me one
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Wonder if the ever decreasing cost of advertising due to the ever increasing inventory is enough to pay an author.
- Matt Terenzio
Steve stole his daughter's Beatles poster
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It's not enough to pay for a news article apparantly (Partially joking)
- Matt Terenzio
Beatles poster looks like giant Windows Phone!
- clive boulton
thats partly because they give away their old products and then the bottom o the pyramid can experience Apple
- Francine Hardaway
and how will it be after the new iPhone?
- Jerome Hughes
they should stick to manufacturing hardware - SAMSUNG
- studentforce
old models waterfall down. like mercedes
- Francine Hardaway
doesn't SAMSUNG make the components for iPhone/iPad ??
- studentforce
My thoughts exactly. I truly hope i'm not going to be disappointed from the iPhone 5 screen, it's probably gonna be around 4-inch but taller, not wider. Not a fan of that. S III on the other hand...
- Nir Ben Yona
reimagine
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I don't agree. with Mobile SDK's like those from salesforce and others the new apps won't be hangovers from web services
- studentforce
who scoops up RIM?
- clive boulton
Moe: Can't wait to see the new Apple TV UI.
- Nir Ben Yona
Palm will buy RIM !!!!!!!!!!!
- studentforce
Hi GG Gang- RocmanUSA is in the house!
- Rocky Barbanica
data, containers, devices...colonization and walled gardens
- dan farber
least common–most rich
- Jerome Hughes
Ouch - Palm buys RIM!
- clive boulton
google glasses vs beatles glasses?
- Kevin Marks
Moving into a commerce area. If that's contextual, then okay.
- Francine Hardaway
Oracle buys RIM...back-fits Android?
- clive boulton
HAH -
- Rocky Barbanica
I want to be on the train instead of driving
- Kevin Marks
HUD
- Jerome Hughes
can't blame it on the fog - eh, Steve ? :-D
- Rocky Barbanica
Admented Reality: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Ankush Narula
Penny Lane is in your ears and in your eyes!
- Tom Guarriello
Ah Blame Myself
- Jerome Hughes
Augmented reality will finally make me a good driver
- Francine Hardaway
Tom ***!!!
- Rocky Barbanica
What about all the new privacy rules
- Francine Hardaway
EU privacy rules, and IE10 with DoNotTrack on by default. screws with context
- Francine Hardaway
Google glasses and double beer can headsets
- Rocky Barbanica
Good one Tom G.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Beer glasses - oh dear!
- clive boulton
Google Beer Goggles?
- Kevin Marks
Thanks, Rocky and Tina!
- Tom Guarriello
"... but I saw it in my Google glasses"
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Or as Jarvis would say, Blurmany
- Francine Hardaway
Moe, cops are lagging on distraction, don't really want to enforce the laws on the books. I do think GGlasses could be deadly for very young drivers.
- Amyloo
Is someone referencing us for stock trading advice?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
my young driver loves android turn by turn speaking directions
- Kevin Marks
if so they're in trouble
- Tina Chase Gillmor
amyloo, they're the most bombarded and so defensive
- Jerome Hughes
Isntthat the Browning effect?
- Francine Hardaway
New FB hires are now offered Put options
- Kevin Marks
the internet of things http://www.forbes.com/fdc...
- Laura Norvig
We create the reality around us anyway
- Francine Hardaway
If Glasses are really smart they won't work if you are in the driver seat of a moving car
- Matt Terenzio
Google glasses at work, instead of phone interruptions.
- clive boulton
ooh, Francine, that is deep.
- Laura Norvig
Google glasses are gonna get people killed - check me -
- Rocky Barbanica
Unless you jailbreak your glasses
- Matt Terenzio
until someone gets shot
- Matt Terenzio
If I'm getting stressed out will Google glasses show me something zen?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Can you say FRIDAY ... and Crown Royal ! I know you can.
- Rocky Barbanica
FB new hires granted 'shorts' and hoody
- clive boulton
Tina, they will reach up and rake your eyebrows, believing they are a garden.
- Amyloo
more instant instant
- Jerome Hughes
google phone, google tv, google...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
BMW has already implemented augmentations into its cars.
- Nir Ben Yona
it's about what's on the displays, is it not?
- Jerome Hughes
they'll turn black like Steve said, Tina
- Kevin Marks
Which models, Nir?
- Francine Hardaway
bluetooth is too laggy for driving info
- Kevin Marks
my daughter could use that new speed limit thing
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It's not about where you are looking or where your hands are. http://www.nsc.org/safety_...
- Amyloo
Francine: All the new BMW models already feature front-window augmentation (speed, weather, fuel, etc.).
- Nir Ben Yona
imagine what it was like when people first got radios in their cars...had to be very distracting
- Tom Guarriello
in the UK they have speed limit signs that show a smiley face when you're below it and a sad face when you're above it
- Kevin Marks
record players in cars were worse, you had to turn them over
- Kevin Marks
Drivers will have to retrain themselves not to be distracted
- Francine Hardaway
Google glasses push notifications, instead of phone interruptions, yes.
- clive boulton
and, they skipped, right Kevin?
- Tom Guarriello
Waze tells you not to navigate while you are driving, Robert. You have to tell it you're the passenger
- Francine Hardaway
"I wasn't texting, I was checking my GPS!" ~ driver who passed too close while staring between his legs
- Jerome Hughes
@clive - combine that with http://www.toxel.com/wp-cont...
- Ankush Narula
Kevin, that's funny
- Francine Hardaway
I don't have any ads on my Facebook feed for some reason.
- Laura Norvig
that's SLOWLY ?
- Rocky Barbanica
Great ad find, Kevin.
- Tom Guarriello
great the very loud gardeners have arrived
- Tina Chase Gillmor
LOL !
- Rocky Barbanica
ha @Ankush - wearable k/b pants
- clive boulton
Tell me how Facebook is going to monetize mobile
- Stephen Pickering
# x of X
- Jerome Hughes
btw can someone PLEASE update the Gillmor Gang wikipedia page... please
- Tina Chase Gillmor
is that opening in US this weekend? it premiered in UK last night
- Kevin Marks
Facebook is going to monetize mobile by reinventing identity auth
- clive boulton
PLEASE!??!?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Did you see the Amanda Palmer kickstarter
- Kevin Marks
You can update it. You just can't create it
- Francine Hardaway
Agreed with clive - FB will monetize mobile using identity, trust, social context, mobile payments
- Ankush Narula
LIVE EVERY THURSDAY AT 1PM PACIFIC
- Jerome Hughes
Yes you can get liner notes on Spotify. Take a look at "The Complete Collection" app for spotify. Info here: https://www.spotify.com/us...
- Mark Krynsky
998 views - not too bad! Go GG
- Rocky Barbanica
Here's a direct link to the app: http://open.spotify.com/app...
- Mark Krynsky
I think salesforce is gonna be the one that will monetize mobile with identity auth but it won't be 'mobile' like we know it A more accurate description would be 'portability'
- studentforce
live musicians are under attack from recorded music
- Jerome Hughes
Krynsky! Happy Friday.
- Laura Norvig
Jerry, your drugs are working very well
- Francine Hardaway
The Stones!
- Stephen Pickering
what drugs? where?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
friendfeed was using 18% of cpu? really?
- Kevin Marks
Tina, next to the whiskey.
- Laura Norvig
The oned that are making Jerry funny
- Francine Hardaway
this episode of the the Gillmor gang brought to you by.....
- Tina Chase Gillmor
...by the music industry, Tina
- Francine Hardaway
Apple?
- Ankush Narula
who's this Jerry guy?
- Jerome Hughes
Jerome? Is it you?
- Francine Hardaway
one more link for Robert and Francine: http://beagleresearch.com/more-in...
- studentforce
Moe: nope.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks everyone!
- Robert Scoble
Laura. ha
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Here's a press release for "The Complete Collection" app and unfortunately it states that there were only 150 albums at launch with "more coming soon" http://www.engadget.com/2012...
- Mark Krynsky
yes and haven't been Jerry for decades now
- Jerome Hughes
oops
- Francine Hardaway
ya TINA
- Rocky Barbanica
francine, it's not the music industry, it's the phonograph industry
- Kevin Marks
Metro unavoidable stepping stone, where too next...
- clive boulton
np Francine thanks all
- Jerome Hughes
We are in control baby !!!
- Rocky Barbanica
right! The phonograph:-)
- Francine Hardaway
metro is the floating lilypad you think is a stepping stone
- Kevin Marks
Hi Laura.
- Mark Krynsky
nice show all. fun start to summer
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Show has become very smooth, Tina. Moved right along today especially, seems like.
- Amyloo
live musicians group protesting recorded music movie theaters… http://bit.ly/K3rGZA
- Jerome Hughes
Frogs do well on Lilypads (msft better have next pad ready)
- clive boulton
Thanks Amyloo. Yep, had a good feel and nice pace
- Tina Chase Gillmor
is art to have a tyrant? http://bit.ly/MgwMJ5
- Jerome Hughes
Good show, Tina.
- Tom Guarriello
thanks Tom
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I'm waiting for the famous call? I wonder what we'll talk about today? Facebook IPO? Yahoo CEO? Samsung Galaxy SIII?
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert - do you have the Galaxy? What's the service behind it?
- John Taschek
Nope, not yet. It was just announced and they didn't give me a test version yet.
- Robert Scoble
http://www.techmeme.com/120503... has the Galaxy SIII info.
- Robert Scoble
Seems over-speced and over-sized. Makes the Dell Streak seem way ahead of its time.
- John Taschek
You know my Cherry Coke Zero is being zeroed-out as I wait... :)
- John Taschek
over-specced? that's a thing?
- Kevin Marks
we're beating a couple of tech glitches back... but we're winning. Stand-by please
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: we're standing by. :-)
- Robert Scoble
starting our link-up calls. sorry for delay
- Tina Chase Gillmor
what did I miss last week?
- Kevin Marks
I missed last week too.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah - like this:...
more...
- John Taschek
Kevin...we saved the world last week. other than that?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I hear the coffee shops are being closed to tourists in Amsterdam.
- John Taschek
Howdy!
- Nir Ben Yona
robert Scoble... you're being paged
- Tina Chase Gillmor
page fault
- Charlie Isaacs
hi everyone
- Charlie Isaacs
i hear lovely tina
- Charlie Isaacs
John doing his Steve Martin imitation
- Charlie Isaacs
cue John on banjo
- Jerome Hughes
Be on air shortly.
- Robert Scoble
I also have a dinosaur.
- John Taschek
oooooh he's a rambling man
- Charlie Isaacs
little tech annoyances today folks. but all will be well with the world momentarily
- Tina Chase Gillmor
testing testing 123
- clive boulton
I don't see anything!
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
Aaaah
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
We are on now.
- Robert Scoble
I don't hear an echo and I am the customer:-)
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
It's a list
- Stephen Pickering
hearing FB's 30+ demographic sick to the teeth of spam app invites (regardless permissions)
- clive boulton
You can have friends or acquaintances on FB
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
Robert confirms...wake up Zuck
- clive boulton
oh rats I forgot Robert's Birthday again
- Charlie Isaacs
deletes Facebook account
- Jerome Hughes
Hey Robert, what are your thoughts on the Jack Welch blowup today? - http://www.facebook.com/XXinTec... Is this something your likely to comment on in this afternoons chat? #gillmorgang
- dean collins
RIP - like!
- clive boulton
except the dislike button
- Jerome Hughes
Dean: funny, Sheryl Sandberg said much the same thing, except she framed it in nicer language.
- Robert Scoble
Dean: on the other hand, look at Rashmi, who just sold SlideShare. She just had twins. That's what we should focus on.
- Robert Scoble
UK patent act, interesting
- clive boulton
This intention thing seems to play right into Zaarly, right Robert?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: yes!
- Robert Scoble
Amazon ate the retail world whole
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
Doc talking on our SocialMRP startup - yay.
- clive boulton
retailers need to push value to the customer during the scan process
- Charlie Isaacs
B&N deal was MS way to get into eTextbooks in a big way. That is their primary reason for the purchase
- studentforce
free wifi in mcdonalds :)
- Charlie Isaacs
Content and Conduit should be separate, not by law, but from a business perspective, but it seems all these companies are trying to be both
- Stephen Pickering
Social overload!!!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yeah, and if Robert's screens are filled up, then that's really a lot of stuff
- Dale Lature
howmany screens was that? 6?
- Dale Lature
he's going to break?
- Kevin Marks
I feel like Robert. Can't fit another thing and can't use another thing
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
Robert Scoble is at the breaking point! That's a quote
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Saturation overload matches Kevin's consolidation and M&A happenings
- clive boulton
eh?
- Kevin Marks
The problem is that these hits like OMGPop don't seem to last
- Stephen Pickering
Phoenix?
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
Right. Been saying this for six months. Incubator bubble
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
I wish tech startups focused on innovation in health care, agriculture and education but I guess there's no money in it.
- Alex de Soto
everyone one's a tech user, everyone's addicted, everyone is "invested", and everyone would like a piece of the pie
- Tina Chase Gillmor
They aren't starting companies. They are developing products
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
so does that mean the real opportunities lie in the ENTERPRISE ???
- studentforce
Alex, my guess is because those industries are so regulated and protected that fresh capital doesn't want to enter
- Stephen Pickering
Taschek and Scoble both product placed drinks
- Dale Lature
Skype Sulk?
- Kevin Marks
@Alex we working on agriculture from top down after failing to get traction bottom up
- clive boulton
Right Steve. My Klout score has been dropping because I am engaged elsewhere for a while
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
Yes steve
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
Stephen: Where there's a will, there's a way. Unfortunately these are less glamorous to work in.
- Alex de Soto
Francine, I find the more I engage the more my Klout score decreases. I say stop talking or ignore Klout ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
top down, Charlie in McD's, case in point.
- clive boulton
Klout says I'm influential about 'vegetable'
- Kevin Marks
I need Steve to use his Beatles glasses. If only we were more orgnized
- Tina Chase Gillmor
whatever
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The register as an organ donor on Facebook was interesting. Anybody do that?
- Alex de Soto
klouchebag scores me a 75 "mostly noise"
- Jerome Hughes
@studentforce - yes. using 'web 2.0' biz dev architecture
- clive boulton
Klout says I'm influential about Scobleizer
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I think I have some funky 60 glasses on my effects ..
- John Taschek
can it tell him sitting from it being left on the table?
- Kevin Marks
the PlaceMe app sends me Push Notifications like "You're Boring" "You're a Nerd" "Get a Life"
- Charlie Isaacs
Tina, that's the first accurate thing I've heard about Klout lately.
- Robert Scoble
I turned off Placeme push notifications. Battery hog
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
On APIs and Copyright (unintended consequences) http://redmonk.com/sogrady...
- clive boulton
Francine good to know. Didn't try it. Now don't have to
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Placeme inside a strip club
- Stephen Pickering
So in other words nothing's changed
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: in the future you will share even that. Why? Because the system will bring you better strip club experiences if you are really into that.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: hahahahahhahaah
- Stephen Pickering
Privacy is NOT the big issue of this generation. Addiction is. Stephen showed exactly why. Who cares if I want to go to a strip club? But now that you are bringing me to the best ones I'm totally addicted to the system.
- Robert Scoble
WE can have a Boston API party !
- studentforce
Such irony, you can buy the King James Bible on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/The-Bib...
- Charlie Isaacs
We're already seeing the first precursors to the problems we're going to have with addiction (texting while driving, marriages breaking up, etc).
- Robert Scoble
ONLY on Amazon ??
- studentforce
Someone patent the acai berry spam.
- clive boulton
strip clubs while driving?
- Kevin Marks
Fine let's talk about strip clubs
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Who owns the strip club patents?
- Alex de Soto
me too
- studentforce
I received four of them; three from salesforce employees
- studentforce
PC and Microsoft Windows 8 are IRRELEVANT that is why. Who cares if a PC is corrupt. Noone uses them anymore. Post PC world
- studentforce
You clicked on the url - THIS IS A PHISHING PAGE
- dean collins
See, when I get one of those crazy DMs I don't know whether to block them because I know it may be a virus
- Stephen Pickering
its not a virus at all its a phishing page
- dean collins
Steve granted tweet permissions to a rogue twitter app.
- clive boulton
get 5-10 of those "Someone's saying… " weekly from among 7k followers
- Jerome Hughes
it IS NOT A HACK - YOU CLICKED ON A LINK that WAS NOT TWITTER
- dean collins
Kevin is indeed melting
- Tina Chase Gillmor
HE EXPLICITLY FILLED IT IN GUARENTEED - i get these all the time because i run 20+ twitter accounts
- dean collins
Could be a hack of a service with O Auth-connection to your Twitter-account?
- Johannes Siemers
sorry, I had to go away for a minute...I assume you are talking about oauth hacks? there are sites w/info on these types of exploits: http://oauth.net/advisor...
- Charlie Isaacs
here's the explanation I send out to those who send me those that haven't yet said "I was hacked and it's now resolved." …
- Jerome Hughes
got a spammy DM, in case not yet resolved… password change or app access revoke info… http://ow.ly/6vqLd
- Jerome Hughes
oh great, now I am being called typhoid charlie, thanks for that
- Charlie Isaacs
failed twitter app startups sell their permissions to tweet to ad-networks (steve got bit)
- clive boulton
Knowledge is power, with great power comes responsibility .. Charlie. :)
- John Taschek
Anyone seen Mike Arrington's latest title.. http://www.linkedin.com/in... :)
- Jose P Isern Comas
a trillion trillion quantum fluxes, one will create a Universe
- Stephen Pickering
eg check out this url as an example of what the page looks like - http://twititre.com/ilogin... - lol dont fill in your username or password otherwise your account will start sending out these fake DM's continuing the circle.
- dean collins
http://marketingland.com/the-tec... Saw this today .... funny! New investment Metric System ... gram (as in Instagram)
- studentforce
Arrington always irreverent.
- clive boulton
The bubble is not because of the industry but rather because there is so much liquidity sloshing around due to Central Bank stimulation
- Stephen Pickering
sounds like the financial analysts who say salesforce is way too high on a p/e basis. They don't understand the subscription economy
- studentforce
advertising is a bubble
- Kevin Marks
gee, thanks John, I guess :)
- Charlie Isaacs
But as Oligvy says, the first time you see an ad, the 10th time you see it, you're writing a check
- Stephen Pickering
Advertising revenue surpassed financial markets in NYC this year
- studentforce
I mean the first time you see it you curse, the tenth time, your buying it
- Stephen Pickering
thank god for advertising .... paying for my son's apartment in NYC !!!!!!
- studentforce
lol sorry for the delayed response but here is the screenshot of the twitter phishing page - http://screencast.com/t...
- dean collins
Andreesen: there is a bubble: http://thoughtbasket.com/2012...
- John Taschek
Steve had his voice muted. he didn't know it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Andreesen - There is NO bubble: http://thoughtbasket.com/2012...
- John Taschek
Sorry Andreessen (my typo)...
- John Taschek
But since ads suck on Smartphones, the Facebook app on Smartphones also sucks
- Stephen Pickering
What is Doc's vision of Advertising or Marketing?
- Stephen Pickering
shows that word of mouth is way more powerful than ANY advertising campaign.
- studentforce
becomes you
- studentforce
The Kids are Allright
- Stephen Pickering
You don't always know what you "want." But if you catch some ads, you get what you need.
- Alex de Soto
One thing I've noticed, especially being an American, what a relief to watch TV shows on Netflix ad free! never in my life have I had this wonderful experience!
- Stephen Pickering
that's the reason I hate BBc America
- Kevin Marks
Isn't the difference kids dont care about privacy because they use it to discover trust. (thus avoid bad actors)
- clive boulton
winchester this
- Jerome Hughes
"you spend hours downloading apps..." - how tone deaf can a company be?
- Jerome Hughes
Doc: " Don't lie to your wrist, Robert"
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it can alert Scoble's wife when he's excited in a strip club?
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: yes. And my wife will have to deal with it.
- Robert Scoble
or perhaps more importantly, when he's not
- Jerome Hughes
So when everything becomes transparent, then the Super Ego won't have so much power over us in enforcing complexes
- Stephen Pickering
he's being censored by the excitement detector
- Kevin Marks
Skype always craps out at an hour
- Stephen Pickering
Church, Strip Clubs,
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Scoble's wife: oh, no worries, Robert is riding on the Startup Bus again.
- Charlie Isaacs
So the subjective adventure overrides the objective ego conflict
- Stephen Pickering
I met a chap who was starting a Church of Video Games
- Kevin Marks
"Batin'!" in Idiocracy
- Jerome Hughes
Charlie: maybe my wife likes strip clubs too and that's why she married me.
- Robert Scoble
Bad Sinatra
- Jerome Hughes
That was a hilarious conversation:-)
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
Robert, I'm not going there, literally and figuratively
- Charlie Isaacs
The purpose of life is to experience a subjective adventure rather than an objective achievement.
- Stephen Pickering
Bad Sinatra indeed
- Tina Chase Gillmor
rereading Neuromancer
- Jerome Hughes
if anyone want a Bad Sinatra pin,,, let me know
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm totally addicted to this stuff, I'm going to try a la Kevin to spend a day without any of this stuff
- Stephen Pickering
App for acai berry diet in strip clubs coming soon!
- clive boulton
Facebook is the one brand that may make Apple nervous? Or have the power to?
- Stephen Pickering
if you can't see a holodeck, how do you know you aren't in one?
- Kevin Marks
There is a serious physics theory that life is indeed a hologram already
- Stephen Pickering
so I wanna hear your thoughts on this - is it good or bad for society?
- studentforce
Good if we control it instead of it controlling us, in other words improving our lives, not making us slaves
- Stephen Pickering
great chat and Gillmor Gang today, really fun, got to run... thanks
- Charlie Isaacs
but isn't the purpose of all this tech to 'improve' our lives? Is this a case of the road to hell and good intentions ??
- studentforce
The weird freaky line. Your off phone still broadcasts intent.
- clive boulton
reminded of need for the less fortunate to learn to dictate, now that they can have virtual butlers
- Jerome Hughes
I have an ad from SAP in facebook #targetingfail
- Kevin Marks
Well, it's like Star Wars, are we going to control the system or be slaves to it? That's the jist of star wars
- Stephen Pickering
and why do we have to expend the energy to 'CONTROL'
- studentforce
Yeah, I chose the wrong word, control isn't the right conotation
- Stephen Pickering
Doc's book http://www.amazon.com/The-Int...
- John Taschek
Thanks everyone!
- Robert Scoble
thanks everyone! Fun show
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Chat room was on fire! (cool)
- clive boulton
GOP Strapped to the Roof of Romney's Car. http://politicalwire.com/archive...
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Ustream a little choppy for anyone else?
- Aron Michalski
im seeing some latency
- Tina Chase Gillmor
so it's just you Aron ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It figures...or them gamer kids down the block crushing my bandwidth...
- Aron Michalski
I hope so. All the service they've given me, it's certainly time for me to give back...
- Aron Michalski
John Borthwick can you tip your screen up?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I wonder what the service that curates news.me conversations will be called.
- Hilary Talbot
news.you&others...
- Aron Michalski
Similar enterprise network - Yammer ($85mn?)
- clive boulton
;)
- Hilary Talbot
Push is track with Apple clothes on ;-)
- Aron Michalski
Aron I think you might be right
- Tina Chase Gillmor
or just 2012 track
- Tina Chase Gillmor
They sure are.
- Francine Hardaway
Everything about blogs is broken: comments, links, etc
- Francine Hardaway
WebSockets (socket.io) and Node.js to push notifications?
- clive boulton
Robert is getting to know himself
- Francine Hardaway
He's pulling while we talk about push.
- Aron Michalski
All software. Freshbooks, Evernote,
- Francine Hardaway
I license my house now, too.
- Francine Hardaway
Doc's: Edging toward the fully licensed world http://me.lt/7Ibaa
- clive boulton
Agreed. Everybody has built their worlds on other people's platforms
- Francine Hardaway
family, Steve does not talk with his hand. Kinda wish he did
- Tina Chase Gillmor
People are running out of time in this Pushy world. Gotta aggregate and make it fast nowadays.
- Aron Michalski
what happened to the beginning of my comment? what I meant to say is, unlike people in my family, Steve does not talk with his hands
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I thought you were referring to his puppetry career.
- Aron Michalski
you know what I mean....
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Me neither. I want to subscribe, and then be free to cancel
- Francine Hardaway
Doc is great. It usually gets down to a few simple points that are timeless.
- Aron Michalski
Scoble - living in the next world
- Tina Chase Gillmor
:-)
- Francine Hardaway
very id of Scoble. "I have an impulse and want it satisfied"
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Ask any business traveller what connectivity is about; paying for hotel internet, finding free access points, delivering your mortgage to your telco every month...
- Aron Michalski
how true Aron. You should know ;)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Granular consumption licences plz
- clive boulton
finding a way to provide us with a connection to our infostream and maximize the connection is really important. There's no time to accidentally find important news.
- Aron Michalski
I like having books too. But I'm realizing I use them VERY little now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I used to like having books, and then I started moving every couple of years, and I got rid of them. Everything I've ever read is now digitized.
- Francine Hardaway
Doc or Steve, which one of you wants to debate Scoble at the Arizona Entrepreneurship Conference? 10/30. Come on down:-)
- Francine Hardaway
This is becoming TV or Not TV..
- Aron Michalski
is the argument maybe just about tangible and intangible items
- Tina Chase Gillmor
but do those black holes contain large licensed or copyrighted pieces of content like books and movies?
- Laura Norvig
Lets chip in and get Borthwick a lighting source.
- Aron Michalski
You mean a bulb?
- Francine Hardaway
And a fixture and a cable. Let's not cheap out.
- Aron Michalski
Aron, I was just looking around the studio to see if I could find that album. Found Martian's Space Party
- Tina Chase Gillmor
IKEA, FTW
- Francine Hardaway
John knows Tumblr killing Facebook for highly social demographic 15-30.
- clive boulton
I have them both. TVONTV is like DNA for me. The charger card slot for watching, the bandwidth pirates, the inability to know when realtime is/was...
- Aron Michalski
Where's Kevin Marks? He was talking about identity systems and who would win in this space three years ago
- Francine Hardaway
His dad passed, he's in the UK.
- Aron Michalski
enough of this online social shit. Let's have more live parties
- Tina Chase Gillmor
kevin will be back with us next week. We are all thinking of him and his family
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that. I will reach out.
- Francine Hardaway
That's because Telcos are inherently part of a "Crony" Capitalism type of arrangement, and not a Pure Capitalism environment
- Stephen Pickering
New Captial, from "White Holes" won't flow to highly regulated environments, which are "false vacuums"
- Stephen Pickering
Facebook's an interest restricting social graph, compare to Tumblr.
- clive boulton
Steve hand is moving. Someone take a picture
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it's a phantom touchscreen control gesture...
- Aron Michalski
Beatles... everyone take a drink
- Tina Chase Gillmor
i only drink when Scoble waves a product in the camera...I'm usually pretty smashed.
- Aron Michalski
This could be one big drinking game if we drank whenever anyone did their customary tics
- Francine Hardaway
A city is a place for people, but it doesn't feed and entertain them. Companies do that.
- Laura Norvig
we'd get pretty damn drunk Francine
- Tina Chase Gillmor
That's because Apple, Amazon, Facebook operate in a total free market, so they have to be productive and competitive. AT&T and Comcast have no incentive to innovate
- Stephen Pickering
he doesn't get into Winer that much anymore
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Santorum's a Theocrat
- Stephen Pickering
Tina nailed G+ strength and weakness. No partying.
- clive boulton
Romney wants a 25% tarriff on China which is worse for the economy than Obamacare
- Stephen Pickering
I smell NGL...\
- Aron Michalski
Steve wishes he could do NewsGang Live again
- Francine Hardaway
I know all these boys so well by now:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Steve's a little irritated with me today. Says I'm missing some shot due to my new monitor... whatever
- Tina Chase Gillmor
shots
- Tina Chase Gillmor
NGL NGL NGL
- Francine Hardaway
Rush Limbaugh the musician
- Francine Hardaway
I really would like to crush that guy... Rush
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I think I'm gonna start calling him a whore
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Oh good. MadMen is coming back
- Francine Hardaway
Just finished Deadwood on HBOGo
- Aron Michalski
I am renting Mad Men. Or licensing it, or whatever
- Francine Hardaway
Is MadMen on HBO? Bravo? I forget
- Francine Hardaway
I watched 5 seasons of 30 Rock in a week or two, same for Larry Sanders
- Stephen Pickering
he will not wait for MadMen
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Romney is to polishing the silver upstairs what Rush Limbaugh is to splashing in the latrines downstairs.
- clive boulton
Everybody drink.
- Aron Michalski
Robert can't hang with real life.
- Aron Michalski
@Moe Glitz Why? Where's the need?
- Francine Hardaway
It is weird how these companies are becoming Vertically integrated but that's because the price of techonology keeps halving every 12-18 months.
- Stephen Pickering
I take that back.
- Aron Michalski
do the benefits outweigh the risks?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
non-reaction reaction shots...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Isn't that FOursquare +Highlight?
- Francine Hardaway
Even the speed of innovation is increasing
- Stephen Pickering
Negative gesture video switching...
- Aron Michalski
From your lips to God's ears, Moe:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Google Maps not charging for lumpy bursts.
- clive boulton
Is there a Rumor that Office will be announced for the iPad?
- Stephen Pickering
Yes, there's a rumor to that effect, Stephen
- Francine Hardaway
ive heard that as well
- Tina Chase Gillmor
And that Bill Gates may announce it? Or did I dream that part?
- Stephen Pickering
Making 13 billion every Quarter, they can close a lot!
- Stephen Pickering
The "environment" the "frontiers" are like the Quantum Foam, which ultimately makes everything go, give it energy
- Stephen Pickering
thanks everybody.
- Aron Michalski
thanks for Aron thanking everyone!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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excellent
- Kevin Marks
have I got time to grab some Tea?
- Kevin Marks
Hanging by waiting for the famous call.
- Robert Scoble
will you all be recording this?
- Jimminy
We always do. Should still be on techcrunch tomorrow.
- Robert Scoble
hi all
- Aron Michalski
famous call is coming
- Tina Chase Gillmor
running a wee bit ;ate...sorry everyone
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Operators are now standing by...
- Robert Scoble
No worries, Tina
- Francine Hardaway
Hi Tina... I'd expect it, I'm usually a few weeks slow after Europe.
- Aron Michalski
Thanks Robert.
- Jimminy
hey Francine!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
couple of glitches we are swatting away
- Tina Chase Gillmor
My 10 minutes of non-interruption must be coming up - 2 year old will be breaking and entering my office at any moment.
- John Taschek
I don't know if you saw my "in a funk" post: https://plus.google.com/1110910...
- Robert Scoble
But I'm not looking forward to today's show.
- Robert Scoble
I usually love these shows, because we talk about the future. But I have a feeling that's not what we're talking about today.
- Robert Scoble
hi Aron - hanging out in my garage on a glorious Chicago(land) October afternoon
- Jerome Hughes
Steve in black.
- clive boulton
you have to be involved with a patent to be listed on it, so Steve was involved
- Charlie Isaacs
Yup.
- Robert Scoble
Moe: good way to put it.
- Robert Scoble
gah, my comcast cut out for a minute
- Kevin Marks
Mighty big hole in the World right now :-(
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks for giving Doc the first wack;
- Aron Michalski
I like Doc Searls' Buddhist point that without Jobs vacating the space, further growth is not possible.
- Francine Hardaway
That was a really good summary by Doc, made me feel a lot
- Stephen Pickering
A life well-lived. What more can anyone expect? It's a sad thing but hardly an ending.
- Karoli
I regret Steve's "hobby" -Apple TV- did not roll out in elaborated fashion before he passed. I was looking forward to Apple disrupting another hide-bound industry: TV
- r Macdonald
Robert is choked up and it's choking me up
- Robert J Taylor
r Macdonald: I agree. I can't wait to see what Apple's working on there.
- Robert Scoble
I know, I hate being sad, but that's how I feel
- Stephen Pickering
don't you all think he had enough time to lay out a vision for what he saw and time to pull in people who could execute it?
- Karoli
Data is not everything
- Francine Hardaway
struggling with Danny's audio. sorry
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: I could hear it all.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli, I think we overestimate how far he was able to see into the future. Remember it's not that he invented the tablet, or the mp3 player, or the computer: he made them BETTER.
- Francine Hardaway
some gaps on the stream, but not enough to lose the meaning
- Kevin Marks
That's what worries me. He somehow needs to be here to help us make things better.
- Francine Hardaway
he was a worldwide influencer
- Tina Chase Gillmor
few are
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Perhaps we can that the esthetic sense and simplistic interfaces and move forward, keep it simple, keep it beautiful.
- Aron Michalski
it was about getting it done in time, not right now.
- Kevin Marks
not releasing until it was ready
- Kevin Marks
It's also part of our time. Hewlett and Packard had just as big an impact, I'd argue, but their impact was in a time before YouTube. Steve Jobs is a world-wide celebrity, arguably the first of Silicon Valley's history.
- Robert Scoble
Here is a link to the Tim Berner-Lee post yesterday, about using NeXT to support his development of URIs, HTTP and HTML http://www.w3.org/QA...
- r Macdonald
I felt that way when I heard Any Grove had Parkinson's disease. He is a hero to me.
- Francine Hardaway
here's the playboy interview: http://www.scribd.com/doc...
- Kevin Marks
Thanks Kevin!
- Stephen Pickering
Well said Steve. Disrupting powerful players and bending them to his will - indeed.
- r Macdonald
The French didn't get Steve vision. See their serious newspaper 'Le monde' : http://www.lemonde.fr/societe.... Fundamental difference marked by Americans !
- Guy Vander Heyden
Gentlemen, do you think Tim Cook can bend additional media industries, like TV content and distribution, to Apple's will & new products?
- r Macdonald
the next Steve Jobs will be a group of people, a braintrust who can work together like great musicians
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Well, Tim Cook has $60 billion to push around and he has Steve Jobs' shoes to fill, so he knows that he better do some big things. But, most of my head is saying Moe is right.
- Robert Scoble
Little known Steve's support for medical research. Stanford's Joel Dudley convinced Apple to add Ruby and other capabilities http://macresearch.org/about_m...
- clive boulton
Tina: funny, I wrote just that to someone last night.
- Robert Scoble
Robert... great minds....;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe: "replacing Mick Jagger with Kenny Rodgers" ouch
- r Macdonald
Danny is right about the carriers. I can't figure out an economical way to upgrade my iPhone. If I switch to Verizon, I can get a phone for $299, and then I have to do something with whatever I left left on my AT&T contract. And it's not unlocked.
- Francine Hardaway
android is a knock-off of sidekick, but it got a great browser from Apple
- Kevin Marks
I agree - our whole world has changed.
- Teri Temme
40 million used to mean something
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Jobs was a great and powerful pitchman. He had to pitch his revolutionary trojan horses to folks like printers, cell carriers, record companies, publishers and film and video distributors. Apple will need to replace this facet of his talent. Who will be able to do this at Apple?
- Alex de Soto
funny, Tina, I was thinking the same thing.
- Karoli
Alex, Apple has other people who do that, but no-one as well.
- Kevin Marks
Alex: Kevin is right. Jobs isn't replaceable. But they will find their own voice over the next few years.
- Robert Scoble
Robert and Kevin: I really hope you are right. I'm counting on it.
- Alex de Soto
Good to have the Onion right now
- Francine Hardaway
John Lennon was shot. We knew Steve was ill. Big difference. Still painful.
- Alex de Soto
Steve. Another victim of pancreatic cancer. Help out: http://pancan.org/section...
- clive boulton
12 Apostles.
- Alex de Soto
Moe: yes. It's the best way to use AirPlay. Are you throwing away your iPad or iPhones?
- Robert Scoble
AppleTV needs to take off before GoogleTV
- clive boulton
Greatest commencement speech ever
- Stephen Pickering
Deep link into Steve's 2005 graduation speech segment on on the importance of remembering he will be dead soon http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- r Macdonald
Westboro Baptist Church to protest (please puncture their tires)
- clive boulton
which they announced on their iphones.
- Karoli
Protest what?
- Francine Hardaway
the Angel technique still works on them. and parody signs. Violence is what they want, then they sue.
- Kevin Marks
Westboro are just culture parasites. They attack anything popular so that they can get paid attention to. If we stop paying attention to them they go away.
- Robert Scoble
What are they protesting?
- Stephen Pickering
Right. Why would they ever protest Jobs' funeral. It's not like he was gay or political
- Francine Hardaway
attention whores. that's who they are.
- Karoli
Interesting undercurrent to the discussion is the continued fight against the entrenched interests -- carriers, publishers, networks. That's a point of commonality for all us in the tech world. Interoperability will be huge, but it will take huge efforts to bring it about.
- Ian McGee
Robert, all of those pieces are teams. I suspect that will be the key to Apple's success.
- Karoli
I wonder how many people will use "Cards" to send sympathy messages to Apple once the app is released. When I first heard about "Cards" I immediately thought of Steve Jobs, even though many laughed about this seemingly silly app.
- Alex de Soto
Jobs was a critic
- Kevin Marks
Someone who gives their life to something
- Stephen Pickering
Bezos?
- Robert J Taylor
Perfection, Simplicity and Secrecy.
- Teri Temme
Bezos is the closest I think
- Stephen Pickering
Who insisted on rounded corners for software windows with a radius just so?
- Alex de Soto
thanks guys.until next time.
- Aron Michalski
Who placed FCC certifications on a cell phone more elegantly than Jobs?
- Alex de Soto
alex, steve insisted on round rects: http://folklore.org/StoryVi...
- Kevin Marks
Who ignored blu-ray?
- Alex de Soto
Bezos is a genius but he doesn't build things of beauty. Want me to pull up the videos about the original Kindle?
- Robert Scoble
Bezos and Amazon's driving force is to build things at low cost. That doesn't mean they will bring us beautiful things.
- Robert Scoble
Robert but he is similar in that he tries to remove friction from the buying process and make the process fun and beautiful
- Stephen Pickering
That just tells you about the importance of beauty, design, and ease of use
- Francine Hardaway
WWSJD?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Right Kevin :) I could go on with thousands of examples where Jobs made incredibly inspired design decisions. He was more like the old car designers who lovingly thought about every curve on a car.
- Alex de Soto
Danny, iTunes was Job's way of keeping us humble. ;-)
- Ian McGee
hi Kevin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It could be that iTunes complexity was to try to assure the music industry that their system would be "safe" - as far flung as that might seem
- Stephen Pickering
Richard Stallman: "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone." http://bit.ly/n50IWd
- clive boulton
iTunes needs a rethink. Spotify is that rethink.
- Robert Scoble
Ouch. That's tough
- Stephen Pickering
Spotify requires a Facebook login. Very short-sighted, and limiting.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Nothing wrong with Wordstar key combinations. Now vi -- that's a problem. ;-)
- Ian McGee
Richard Stallman is an idiot.
- Robert Scoble
iTunes is getting a rethink with iCloud, so sync isn't t required and backup happens
- Kevin Marks
What a horrible thing to write.
- Robert Scoble
But Stallman is probably autistic. My own son does stuff that's hurtful without realizing it because he just doesn't have the brain for social cues.
- Robert Scoble
So, I should be more understanding of Stallman and his condition.
- Robert Scoble
I was talking to Rana-June Sobhany about that - iPad as musical instrument
- Kevin Marks
Most of the people in the world have Facebook. That actually is a brilliant decision and the Gillmor Gang in 2020 will discuss just how brilliant it was.
- Robert Scoble
"Stallman and his condition" well said
- clive boulton
Reminds me of how Clinton can persuade you even when you disagree
- Stephen Pickering
Some have said Steve and Apple didn't "Get social" What do you think?
- r Macdonald
I don't think its they didn't get it, they just couldn't do everything
- Stephen Pickering
r Macdonald: both true and false. Jobs got how we would talk about his products and made them HYPER conversational. Why else ship an iPod with white headphones?
- Robert Scoble
Jobs jettisoned the physical keyboard and need for a stylus on a smartphone. That move alone was brilliant and gutsy.
- Alex de Soto
it's gonna be a WWSJD world for a while
- Tina Chase Gillmor
My question mark is how will Apple do with the Cloud?
- Stephen Pickering
Interesting take, Robert. Products that are inherently drivers of social discussion & adoption, but no closed gardens for social interchange.
- r Macdonald
Stephen: I do worry about what will happen next week. Hope it goes well.
- Alex de Soto
i hope Danny is talking about upgrading the phone...not the wife ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Beatles?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
4S stands for Siri...
- clive boulton
SIRI's semantic intelligence could be disruptive
- r Macdonald
Tina, exactly, his impact is just like the Beatles
- Stephen Pickering
did you see the Warhol/Jobs/Sean Lennon story?
- Kevin Marks
Thanks for sharing everyone. Good show.
- Alex de Soto
stay hungry stay foolish
- clive boulton
r Macdonald: yeah, I still love Siri. I remember the day I saw that tech for the first time. Really amazing stuff.
- Robert Scoble
I'm so happy I got to see what they are doing.
- Robert Scoble
Andy Warhol’s Meeting With Steve Jobs at Sean Lennon's Bday party story: http://linguisticcapital.wordpress.com/2011...
- r Macdonald
thanks r Macdonald...I'll have to read that one
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Both Andrew Ng and Peter Norvig classes start Monday ml-class.org al-class.com
- clive boulton
Great link rMac and Kevin. Thanks
- Stephen Pickering
also in the playboy interview Tina
- Kevin Marks
Awesome show - thanks!!!
- Teri Temme
Thank you all
- r Macdonald
WOw, that got tough in the last minute.
- Robert Scoble
So sad to see Steve so sad...Tina, Steve...
- Francine Hardaway
sitting shiva
- Kevin Marks
thank you
- Hilary Talbot
Thanks everyone.
- Robert Scoble
Nice job. 'night
- Ian McGee
- clive boulton
I think Bezos is enabling people to build awesome things especially with the Cloud. The investment in capacity and the functionality of AWS is awesome. Changes IT immensely.
- Robert J Taylor
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starting in 10 minutes
- Steve Gillmor
slight delay but things are looking good here in the studio
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I am so patient.
- Francine Hardaway
Francine is that a mantra or are you tempting fate?
- Aron Michalski
Hi everybody:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Mantra of course.
- Francine Hardaway
hi, saw a snippet of Andrew Keen early there, guess he'll be one of the guests
- Jerome Hughes
Hey, see what the comment list just did? Can we get G+ to learn that trick?
- Aron Michalski
Sorry, I'm the holdup. On now. Starting shortly.
- Robert Scoble
Is Andrew even on +? I looked for him and couldn't find him
- Francine Hardaway
sure G+ will learn a bunch more "new" tricks pretty quickly
- Jerome Hughes
Sweeeeeeeeet!
- Francine Hardaway
Andrew, do you belong to + yet?
- Francine Hardaway
Andrew Keen is the last one not on Google+. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Hi everyone.
- Nir Ben Yona
Andrew's interview with the G+ folks was great!
- Alex de Soto
I enjoyed it.
- Robert Scoble
Why???
- Francine Hardaway
I enjoyed it, too. I meant why wasn't Andrew on +
- Francine Hardaway
Social backbone articel: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
can someone shoot a link to the Keen/G+ interview?
- Aron Michalski
Thanks Kevin.
- Aron Michalski
Gray, the studio cat, reset some audio setting before the show and now is crying outside wanting to come in a mess up some other stuff
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Let him/her in! --animal rights activist
- Francine Hardaway
that's Steve's Beatle coffe mug
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I am getting about 100 and know 1
- Francine Hardaway
What is the word on g+ for Apps accts? Nobody I know cares abt anything else. Just internal Collab.
- coldbrew
3 and 0
- Aron Michalski
I want the ones that don't just say "I agree"
- Francine Hardaway
Scoble's family blocked him too?
- Kevin Marks
my thought as well...noise,noise, noise.
- Aron Michalski
+Kevin Marks of course. They were first
- Francine Hardaway
noisy people, then the people who follow them
- Kevin Marks
Haven't we all been through this before as we organized this very site I'm typing info into?
- coldbrew
then, the people I follow who comment on the floods, making te show up in my notifications
- Kevin Marks
The collapsing comments would help along with Micah's chrome plug in.
- Aron Michalski
yes, coldbrew. Or indeed in blog comments before that
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: no, my family doesn't get to see every post. Only some of them.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: Facebook algorithmically filters out a LOT of posts.
- Robert Scoble
G+ could learn a great deal from watching an active swarm on FF, circa 2 years ago.
- Aron Michalski
a billion shares a day!
- Kenny
How about when the original poster +1/Likes a comment, it bubbles up to the top - seems like a moderated approach
- Ankush Narula
Current numbers are irrelevant.
- coldbrew
It's a marathon, not a sprint.
- coldbrew
agreed coldbrew
- Kenny
you don't see all the posts on twitter, that's the point.
- Kevin Marks
The simple fact is, G+ is also much easier (than FriendFeed) for the average user to digest.
- Darren
I joined in Jan 2007
- Francine Hardaway
Google is probably just happy they are not seeing a Wave/Buzz response, getting something more viral.
- Aron Michalski
ah hang on, try this link for Keen's interview: http://techcrunch.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
Friendfeed, Twitter and Facebook were training grounds for social media interactions. Made it easy to adopt G+ and whatever comes next.
- Alex de Soto
Oslo on G+ was more visceral and compelling.
- Aron Michalski
i think Quora has it right
- Ankush Narula
G+ is Facebook but for people you're interested in. Unlike Twitter,engagement is confined to comments and likes which means the stream itself is less polluted and easier to find topics/information to converse around.
- Darren
Ales -I was feeling the same about the acceptance of plus. we're already well educated in Social
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Alex, good point. Perhaps we were just being taught to navigate the stream and learn some manners.
- Aron Michalski
it's twiiter+facebook+Friendfeed
- Kenny
Ales=Alex
- Tina Chase Gillmor
mmm, Ale
- Kevin Marks
Where is the startup that allows you to import your g+ data?
- coldbrew
It's Twitter spliced with Facebook.
- Darren
I can follow/see public folks like Robert, Kevin Marks, etc but I also follow/see my family/friends (if they ever join) - I get to chose!
- Kenny
On my way to get some....ale that is. I'll catch the recording later.
- Alex de Soto
We need an API first?
- coldbrew
I have 50 lists on Facebook
- Ankush Narula
Marks: It's pilsner for me today. Too hot.
- coldbrew
Oslo - G+ limitation is that you can't post images/video as comment to a post
- Doug
Hangouts + Gaming is going to revolutionize things.
- Darren
Steve says my chair is too noisy
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert might need to move to the other end of the counter...
- Aron Michalski
So if G+ adds crowdsourced topic tagging (like Quora) maybe the content becomes much more relevant and interesting
- Ankush Narula
Naive, Robert. VCs don't talk much about their deals publicly, and they also have lives:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Sorry what?
- Darren
2 things G+ needs to add/fix quickly before people get annoyed and move on: 1) only show the last 5 replies, minimizes the rest(user can expand all replies if they want), 2) stop pushing posts to the top when there is a new reply or at least make it an option
- Kenny
what to who, Darren?
- Kevin Marks
I have a Chrome extension that collapsed old posts
- Francine Hardaway
Kenny +1
- Ankush Narula
- Francine Hardaway -something like that should that should be built in
- Kenny
Kevin, in reference to Steve and his "authoritative stream" comment.
- Darren
I'd be interested in this crew's thoughts on the 'anonymous' kids wreaking havoc. Any Interest in sharing those?
- coldbrew
Kevin - the people who make all this noise are the Scobles, you, etc of the world, those people get put into a certain circle and I look at it when I want - I switch between stream types to see different info
- Kenny
Seems like Techmeme has slowed it's crawling down considerably.
- coldbrew
Kenny, sounds like you get some utility out of lists (or in this case circles) as also happens here
- Jerome Hughes
I need to confess...I'm having a Corona with lime right now. The weekend begins
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I forgive you Tina
- Francine Hardaway
I agree with Scoble. If your goal is good information, why build a graph based on people instead of interests?
- Darren
thank you Francine. That means the world to me ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Jerome, yes. I just need G+ to allow me to watch select several stream at once, instead of one at a time, for example let me check off and watch my friends and family streams and not see the others until I want ot
- Kenny
Darren: The info eventually comes from people, so one has to trust the sources or the info is irrelevant.
- coldbrew
Kenny, until you can mix them, do you run multiple tabs for your faves?
- Jerome Hughes
people are a good locus of information; twitter allows non-human authorities to speak too
- Kevin Marks
Winer seems to be a bit off lately.
- coldbrew
and semi-human, too!
- Jerome Hughes
I would argue more human, but there ya go.
- coldbrew
Jerome, no I just switch between them - kind of a pain right now
- Kenny
On G+, I think I've added about 100 people who have made a good comment - it's as simple as mousing over and adding them to the Following circle (and I've removed people just as quickly for too many crappy posts)
- Ankush Narula
You can add G+ search in Chrome, and i hear of extensions too
- Majento
"If winer didnt built it himself, it sucks" - that's what I'm getting.
- coldbrew
Kevin, That would be a clear circle for me in a folder/list/Flipboard sense with the newsbots in a circle and the respected commenters in another.
- Aron Michalski
coldbrew, the algorithm can leverage people for prioritization, reputation and ranking of the information.
- Darren
I gotcha say Gilmor seems more positive about G+ then any other Google product...I'm shocked
- Kenny
any comments on the gaming announcement?
- Aron Michalski
coldbrew: I think Winer gets frustrated with closed and centralized solutions - it just so happens that most of the popular services of the day are just that
- Ankush Narula
there was a gaming announcement? I thought it was just rumor?
- Kenny
It's a much better product than the last 5 they have presented, even if they are kinda parts of G+
- Aron Michalski
Darren: I suppose. But, I'm one of those people that doesn't like the algorithm, nor data mining. Personal preference, of course.
- coldbrew
Kenny... since gMail, perhaps
- Jerome Hughes
that's also part of what kicks off that article citation links, those "entity" accounts ~ "personas"
- Jerome Hughes
Because Google screwed up
- Ankush Narula
he now has two accounts with the ame name, right?
- Kenny
I'm with Gillmor on this one. I'll say no more
- coldbrew
yep
- Ankush Narula
@violetblue on G+ http://t.co/pUDi0mA (face up internet full of socializing sexual humans).
- clive boulton
@mashable on twitter is Pete Cashmore's account
- Kevin Marks
as is @petecashmore
- Kevin Marks
Hrm. Is this a little bias I'm sensing now?
- Darren
The problem for businesses is authenticity and brand infringement - Google needs to create certified accounts
- Ankush Narula
Darren? how so?
- Robert Scoble
Maybe not an announcement... https://plus.google.com/1100125...
- Aron Michalski
#FB eventually intro'ed fan pages for this
- Jerome Hughes
http://venturebeat.com/2011... Club Penguin in their sights
- Kevin Marks
Scobilzer is the internet!
- clive boulton
Are they insisting on us regurgitating info or us morphing into a brand with our name?
- Aron Michalski
I'm confused ;)
- Kenny
it's a word now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Is Facebook == Mark Zuckerberg?
- Ankush Narula
individuals interact with other individuals and with institutions both
- Jerome Hughes
I sometimes think of some of you as a source , rarely a brand (Scoble maybe) but always individuals.
- Aron Michalski
is Andy Carvin NPR?
- Kevin Marks
thanks, Kevin!
- Jerome Hughes
There's no question that G+ is genius. It's completely changed my perspective of Google and their future. It's also changed how I think about their existing services.
- Darren
that's this point: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
I can't wait until it is integrated with GReader, Gmail, etc
- Francine Hardaway
Kevin: yes, Andy is NPR.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, here's Andy Carvin on Google+: https://plus.google.com/1173780...
- Robert Scoble
WOW I agree with Gilmor
- Kenny
Steve is right on
- Christian Burns
Everyone settle down now, G+ is a brand new service, they will work through these issues (sum might agree with it others won't), Twitter and Facebook all have gone through these issues and will still go through similar issue - It took years for Facebook to get to 750mil users - it will take a while for G+ to grow past these issues
- Kenny
I agree with him as well.
- Francine Hardaway
I value Kevin and Steve's pointers more than a media source, more along the lines of an advisor or spiritual guide. I'm sure that sounds daft, but because they bring their personality and brains to the equation, it adds value to the post.
- Aron Michalski
Its a bete
- Christian Burns
beta
- Christian Burns
Watch Ed Chi embedded in G+ for direction http://bit.ly/pJWl7m
- clive boulton
Keen, :) no
- Christian Burns
Kevin's voice sounds particularly good today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm not sure how a public persona would not be on it (I'm not a public persona, so I am not on it).
- coldbrew
is this keen? https://plus.google.com/1145004...
- Kevin Marks
I just joined, Will there be an mp3 download rob?
- Christian Burns
this group rocks… here's a list that _might_ be useful... http://twitter.com/list...
- Jerome Hughes
Airplay
- Ankush Narula
thank me! ;)
- Kenny
ah, thank you tina.
- Kevin Marks
more so than someone who is co-opted by a corporate plan (well, Salesforce has nothing to offer me professionally other than a day of employment next month).
- Aron Michalski
thanks, Kenny!
- Jerome Hughes
I have missed the gang sooooo much
- Christian Burns
:)
- Kenny
thanks guys.
- coldbrew
Thank you. Cya next time!
- Nir Ben Yona
later all
- Kenny
ciao
- Ankush Narula
Thank you all.
- Aron Michalski
good to see you here, Christian! and thanks to all
- Jerome Hughes
This was good, thanks all
- Majento
One of these days we should do a hangout
- Christian Burns
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dubdubdeecee SMS Dead, Dropbox dead, spotify lives
- Paul E. Ester
Don't forget to talk about Weiner, the politician brought down by a missing "d".
- Paul E. Ester
Well, what do you know, a GillmorGang at a time I can actually watch live.
- PXLated
Nice surprise
- clive boulton
Coolio! I'm standing by waiting for the call.
- Robert Scoble
I have NO IDEA what we're talking about today! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
3 min after! Should be on in about 10 more?
- Ralph Henson
the huge news story today - that Minecraft is coming on xbox
- Kevin Marks
That changes EVERYTHING!
- Ralph Henson
hi everyone. Happy Monday! y'all ready?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Ralph: we're hooking it all up.
- Robert Scoble
Give us a couple more minutes.
- Robert Scoble
Can't wait to see 'Gillmor in the Cloud'!
- Ralph Henson
Ralph: YouTube is coming to Xbox. I'm so excited!
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, did you attend the Apple event?
- Amyloo
I clicked on the wrong live feed this AM as saw all this x-box shit. WTF?
- Ralph Henson
Twitter is moving fast tonight for some reason. Did some cool company announce something?
- Robert Scoble
I didn't attend, but I watched the stream
- Kevin Marks
I think Steve will be disappointed - Apple TV ..er airplay still seem to be a side show - for the most part
- Michael Roberts
Michael: well, Apple has Airplay. Google and Microsoft doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
And, they had to save something for the new iPhone announcement in August.
- Robert Scoble
my android devices send to airplay via DoubleTwist
- Kevin Marks
xbox is gonna be the household entertainment hub
- Tim Jones
Seems to be more a distribution solution than a stream solution
- Ralph Henson
Ralph, I'd pay to see Stve in a God robe costume sitting on a cloud
- Amyloo
Here we go
- Mark Vaske
It's the "iSteveGillmor" show.
- Robert Scoble
version history. see changes between docs
- Mark Vaske
Depth of Cupertio vs Skin deep Redmond
- clive boulton
cliveb: yup. Microsoft is in real trouble.
- Robert Scoble
It is worse for Windows Phone 7. No developer I'm talking with is betting on it. The VC market is betting actively against it.
- Robert Scoble
remind me... what does Microsoft do?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
What about what Apple did to their developers.
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: they paid them $2 billion in past two years. They will get over it. They have no other choice.
- Robert Scoble
post anything your doing to twitter. free advertising.
- Mark Vaske
there's a twitter API meeting wednesday night
- Kevin Marks
Sounds a lot like what Twitter did, Robert
- Francine Hardaway
the imagicnation's drying up in Cupertino, all those iPhone stuff today's is trying to catch up to Android
- Tim Jones
Francine: except Twitter hasn't shown us any new features to keep the infrastructure excited.
- Robert Scoble
Would like to hear views on the robustness/richness of native apps & cloud combination vs the thinness of say Google docs - To me, there's no comparison.
- PXLated
Saturday saw MSFT deliberately shifting strategy from marketing to design (Unicorn of love - Hanselman) huge catch up
- clive boulton
PXLated: I'd love to hear more from you on what you think about that.
- Robert Scoble
that's a good airplay feature.. but not necessarily innovative.. just a logical feature to have
- Michael Roberts
what is iMessenger's user ID ?
- cxx dxx
Robert - I think there is just so much more one can do with native apps than you can ever do on one size fits all cloud apps.
- PXLated
Right. We'll get into that shortly.
- Robert Scoble
they have been busy doing all of what they announced today.
- Mark Vaske
Wonders if John's up for smuggling Branston Pickle
- clive boulton
you can buy branston here
- Kevin Marks
Branston, wow. never thought i'd see that mentioned in a Gillmor Gang chat.
- Jamie
iCloud == DropBox for iOS ?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
GOing to London in July. Will investigate
- Francine Hardaway
AFAIK there is no arbitrary file backup
- Jamie
Apple did well with icloud - but the problem is most of it isn't designed for groups (although calendar thankfully now is more like google calendar) but how does this work with a family let alone a company.. it's perfect for the mobile - me person.. who uses different machines.
- Michael Roberts
Yes, bear
- Francine Hardaway
Jamie: this Gillmor Gang brought to you by Christopher Creek winery, which is what I'm drinking tonight. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
iCloud APIS? I remember dotmac APIs http://developer.apple.com/interne...
- Kevin Marks
so not a dropbox killer, but a very needed component in the platform > backup and restore of app data
- Jamie
Exactly, Robert
- Francine Hardaway
Scobilizer on KV DB making me drool
- clive boulton
Jamie - but file features are not a part of iPad/iPhone
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
true
- Jamie
the twitter integration is much deeper than I anticipated. "There is follow graph synchronization, which enables you to bootstrap a user's social graph for your app."
- Jamie
Every new feature listed http://www.maclife.com/article...
- Mark Vaske
push notifications to multiple end-points over the "cloud" has always been a big-infra problem - Apple *had* to solve it since their infrastructure is so closed
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
wow, lots of hydration going on behind the scenes
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: well, it's 5:30 pm!
- Robert Scoble
I am drinking a red wine called Cupcake:-) It's everything
- Francine Hardaway
right, robert. I should have thougt about it myself. My switching might be better under the influence
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Kevin, Jamie - so want giant Branston w/o price gouging
- clive boulton
for me, Branston smooth > chunks
- Jamie
im in the UK though - no idea where you get it in the States
- Jamie
all 250 features in Lion: http://www.apple.com/macosx...
- Jamie
Apple announcements represent a new shift in the center of gravity. Android oops. Desktop oops. Desktop era software oops
- Keith Teare
Yes. Apple owns us now
- Francine Hardaway
Keith: we are firmly in Steve Jobs pocket!
- Robert Scoble
please discuss the location aware reminders!
- Mark Vaske
Shit, even on vacation I'm giving him money. Isn't he majority shareholder in Disney?
- Robert Scoble
Mark: I missed those.
- Robert Scoble
@Borthwick. Careful (Shhh).... Awesome for just.me today BTW
- Keith Teare
I will love that feature
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Those were the things that replace Remember the Milk, Robert
- Francine Hardaway
First opportunity to watch GG live - always watch the podcast - Didn't realize all these ads were thrown at ya live.
- PXLated
twitter address book feature too late to same Congressman Weiner?
- Ralph Henson
Francine: cool.
- Robert Scoble
FB burned Apple with Ping over FB Connect. Hence the public snub.
- Jamie
not majority, but largest shareholder
- Kevin Marks
That said, good luck making iMessage work without FB Connect.
- Jamie
Robert: you can set a location in your individual reminder. ie call when you get home pops up upon arriving home.
- Mark Vaske
Ralph: that guy is an idiot. It's always the lying about the sex that will get you in trouble.
- Robert Scoble
adding friends via email - no thanks
- Jamie
Robert, that was a joke!
- Ralph Henson
Facebook would be crazy to align like that
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Agree. You can have phone sex, twext, whatever, but don't lie
- Francine Hardaway
I survived the photos of me kissing a guy in London at a party. Why? I didn't lie about it. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
pinot robert?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
No. You survived because no one cares:-)
- Francine Hardaway
"Whenever someone tries to reach you, the FaceTime call rings through on every Mac you own even if FaceTime isn’t running."
- Jamie
Tina: Cab.
- Robert Scoble
Tina: but Maryam likes the Pinot better. Christopher Creek is the best in Sonoma at doing that.
- Robert Scoble
Or maybe it was expected behavior Robert :-)
- PXLated
Scoble. Yes, but its a nice pocket with lots of room to do stuff.
- Keith Teare
Beginning of the end of Windows UI
- clive boulton
PXLated: exactly! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
now waiting for android to catch up on things it lacks vs iOS
- Mark Vaske
nobody has ever said modal notifications were better Kevin
- Jamie
even MG
- Jamie
MG said it was irrelevant
- Kevin Marks
wrong time to give my iPhone4 to a friend I guess :/
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
then he is an idiot
- Jamie
untethering the ipad from the PC I think is huge.. I really wonder how many developers (like twitter) will make the ipad - or tablets the primary platform for development and the PC the secondary development platform
- Michael Roberts
Kevin/Louis live in that world where you cut off your nose to spite your face :-)
- PXLated
Love Christopher Creek Pinot
- Francine Hardaway
What did MG say?
- Robert Scoble
Scoble is goofin with me
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: having fun!
- Robert Scoble
Your commenters were incredible, Steve
- Francine Hardaway
I want to know what Kevin is drinking. He's contentious tonight:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: he's a Google fan, I'd be contentious too on an evening like this.
- Robert Scoble
they have about 70% of my music. Spotify about 40%
- Jamie
did you see this piece yet? 10 apps or services Apple just killed. http://www.maclife.com/article...
- paisano
A rabid Google fan:-)
- Francine Hardaway
25/year gives you access to 18,000,000 songs. the rest you can put in your 5 gbs
- Mark Vaske
Robert - Exactly
- PXLated
no kevin
- Jamie
you get 25,000 tracks
- Jamie
for $25
- Jamie
Steve is correct, as usual. lol
- Jamie
they didnt specify
- Mark Vaske
It's a very bad day to be a Google fan :-)
- PXLated
they did specify. 5gb is app data basically
- Jamie
That's a lot of app data.
- Robert Scoble
music is excluded from the 5gb. its unlimited for itunes purchases, but 25,000 for the matching service
- Jamie
GG haz my vote for superseding PBS NewsHour
- clive boulton
John: the service that cost 25 mirrors the now itunes tracks in your library
- Mark Vaske
non*
- Mark Vaske
I have no idea how the labels were dragged into this
- Jamie
i mean, how apple got them to agree to it
- Jamie
Jamie - Isn't it that they now at least get paid something for all those pirated songs?
- PXLated
@jamie - "magic"...?
- Mark Vaske
Jamie: money money money money!
- Robert Scoble
possibly PXL
- Jamie
you can keep your version if its already there
- Mark Vaske
though I can sign up for one year then cancel. I have automatically legitimised all my illegal rips.
- Jamie
$25 gets you music from the 18 million tracks they have from the big labels.
- Kevin Marks
I don't know anyone older that can tell the difference
- PXLated
then the half gig of other music you have you put it onto the free service
- Mark Vaske
lots of independents on iTunes. easy to upload your work.
- Jamie
Lady gag
- paisano
you have the beatles, but not the grateful dead
- Kevin Marks
he DOES listen to Gaga
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Steve is so hip. I downloaded it from Amazon
- Francine Hardaway
iBooks style liner notes. Im in
- Mark Vaske
physical media.... bleh
- Jamie
he plays gaga on turntable
- Kevin Marks
get soundcrank.com for lyrics and album art
- paisano
I think its game over - agree with Steve
- Keith Teare
Don't see today's wwdc helped Steven Sinofsky, rather put him under massive pressure
- clive boulton
I dont think it is game over until apple follows up with an all you can eat service
- Jamie
cant wait for movies and tv shows now!!!
- Mark Vaske
also this continues to make apple tv a power house
- Mark Vaske
if apple adds ping to icloud & imessage they will have serious facebook challenger
- paisano
being a network ops type person, all I can think about is how much comcast is going to suck out of my wallet with the increase in streaming my personal use will cause
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
cliveb: Steven Sinofsky is gonna struggle. Win8 is late.
- Robert Scoble
cliveb: the game has changed and the Microsoft execs don't quite realize it yet.
- Robert Scoble
The question "What is the Cloud?" and How does it operate with (a) the desktop and (b) mobile devices now has a new answer. Facebook is the BIG loser
- Keith Teare
did they say anything about video?
- Amyloo
the carriers found out when we did
- Jamie
not much about video, no
- Kevin Marks
cliveb: all I need to know is walk through Facebook's dev group. It's 90% Mac, despite Microsoft investing in Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
@amyloo, not yet, but its in the works
- Mark Vaske
And even though Twitter is a winner its only a small win. Apple and users are big winners
- Keith Teare
Same thing at VMware. Same thing in many Silicon Valley companies (in fact all startups I've been in lately).
- Robert Scoble
Ping should be the name for iMessage. what a screw up
- Jamie
Keith: agreed. Twitter is in the middle of managerial chaos. Twitter's win is thanks to the folks who started LaLa.
- Robert Scoble
yes, I thought that
- Kevin Marks
@robert huge win for devs
- Mark Vaske
lively chat... such a hugepart of our show
- Tina Chase Gillmor
video down for me :( think it is just my end though
- Jamie
tweetdeck still much better for multiple accounts and creating columns for hashtag tracking scheduling tweets etc
- paisano
me also
- Mark Vaske
:-(
- Ralph Henson
Robert: Feeling Redmond is shifting strategy from marketing to design (not sure from top down or bottom up)
- clive boulton
Down here also
- PXLated
I wonder how long tweetdeck will be kept around
- Jamie
lost the feed
- Keith Teare
Too bad, best Gillmor Gang ever
- Ralph Henson
having two clients for the mac, iphone and android just seems dumb
- Jamie
Getting an Off Air screen
- PXLated
@jamie true...twitter will try to add tweetdeck elements to weak web UI
- paisano
Funny, Twitter went down.
- Robert Scoble
down here. I heard until “if you integrate with us…” I was hoping to hear you guys discussing this apparent stab at Facebook with Twitter integration.
- Miguel
we're workin onit folks...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
today's announcements were as important in some ways as the iphone and ipad unveilings..icloud severes the tie to the pc age
- paisano
It's up here, so hang out a second.
- Robert Scoble
Do feel a bit sorry for Marko at Instapaper but he says he expects to prosper
- Ralph Henson
Twitter went down for me, which is funny.
- Robert Scoble
just back for me
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Vid back
- PXLated
back
- Jamie
no mention of ping...how odd
- paisano
You guys do an awesome job, thanks to rackspace, tricaster and salesforce :) and Tina
- Paul E. Ester
loved the joke about mobileme... high point of event
- paisano
it will be good for Marco. widens the market. he will always have the edge for features. i.e. Reading Lists is Safari only. what is that, 5% of the desktop market?
- Jamie
aw shucks Paul thanks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Danny is on twitter saying apple's cloud strategy is playing catchup now...
- Mark Vaske
Google docs = Pathetic = Yes :-)
- PXLated
office 365 might impress
- paisano
Danny is crazy
- Jamie
John hit it on the nose - Google = UGLY
- PXLated
docs and open with version histories perhaps?
- Mark Vaske
The Beatles landed on iTunes Nov.16 2010. It is a scary and bold statement to say that iTunes have 99% of the music we care about. I love simplicity of iTunes and Apple, but we must embrace all music and art !!! -like we must love all people, regardless of race, skin or color. Shame on you :-)
- Fredrik Darum
It will push Google but KILL Microsoft
- Ralph Henson
MS looks pretty strong to me. Office 365 kills Google Docs. WP7 so much more refined and powerful than Android. Their media story is that much stronger. Then there is the gaming side (that dashboard today looked awful like apps coming to xbox).
- Jamie
Do you think it'll be easier for Apple to add collaboration or Google to grow a right-brain?
- PXLated
are you trolling me, Jamie?
- Kevin Marks
absolutely not.
- Jamie
@kevin did they say the version history disappeared. I didn't see it. I saw options to lock a document to create a template...
- Mark Vaske
yes, Phil Schiller sais 'when you email it, the history is not sent' - they have CVS, not git
- Kevin Marks
ok i believe you
- Mark Vaske
JohnT: sometimes being boring turns real exciting. Consumerized enterprise must be coming w/ a bang.
- clive boulton
i keep thinking friendfeed was dead...why has facebook kept it going? Glad..but surprised they didn't just take its features and kill it
- paisano
"Lion's built-in screen sharing will work with Apple IDs."
- Jamie
Good to hear Scoblizer tell about Enterprise on the Apple
- clive boulton
@cliveb - totally agree - consumerized enterprises are the current and future kings/not the past.
- John Taschek
using windows apps on macs? that's a very particular hell
- Kevin Marks
salesforce is soiling themselves now
- paisano
windows mass of apps are 10+ years old. Apps from iOS are under 5 years old and many are ported right into the mac app store
- Mark Vaske
Kevin: heh, they aren't that bad. I still run WIndows on my Mac occassionally.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: most iOS apps are less than two years old.
- Robert Scoble
windows won the enterprise because of apps, and now their apps are old
- Mark Vaske
@robert - exactly
- Mark Vaske
Doesn't anyone care that Apple has so much control? Apple and Facebook
- Francine Hardaway
Forget Microsoft
- Francine Hardaway
90% of corp workforce does not need Office - If they don't need Office, they don't need Microsoft
- PXLated
I'm in IT and still spend a buttload on Microsoft licenses ...glad it's the post pc era...sheesh
- paisano
It might even be 98%
- PXLated
minecraft on xbox - imagine the kinect integration
- Kevin Marks
even vmware enterprises rely on microsoft licenses for windows servers...
- paisano
Kevin - How many xBoxes sold vs iDevices/Macs?
- PXLated
Corp workforce reliance on Windows doesn't limit itself to Office. There are hundreds of thousands of LOB apps
- Jamie
That's true Jamie but those can be accessed through Citrix or other means can't they?
- PXLated
Kevin looks a wee bit like Albert Finney
- paisano
I hope that's a good thing; he is a quite a bit older than me
- Kevin Marks
yes .lol..i meant to say younger Finney...cheers
- paisano
And what if you don't want/trust the cloud
- Francine Hardaway
Somethings afoot at Microsoft (it may be Ballmers feet) strategy is shifting to design, coming from ScottGu's team
- clive boulton
Francine: I have a Windows XP machine you can have! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
cloud 1.0 vs cloud 2.0 - 1.0 = mail, calendar, contacts. 2.0 = 1.0 + apps, books, pictures, music, video
- Mark Vaske
Apple will create the first usable robot
- Fredrik Darum
cliveb: Sinofsky knows his big challenge is to keep up with Apple.
- Robert Scoble
Great question Francine... then wait for umbrella...which will block icloud access
- paisano
cliveb: I don't see good things for Microsoft ahead. They should have bet harder on Xbox instead of Windows brand. Poor leadership there.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble don't be a turncoat on Microsoft
- paisano
you owe them everything
- paisano
Does your sunburn hurt Robert? Looks painful :-(
- PXLated
Robert: Sinofsky - he's moving backwards faster.
- clive boulton
did you see some of the Xbox announcements today?
- Jamie
paisano: no I don't. I had thousands of readers a day before I got to Microsoft. But, agree, Microsoft was very good to me.
- Robert Scoble
looks like they are betting hard in this space.
- Jamie
Jamie: yes. Xbox is pretty good, but I'm talking about mobile and desktop.
- Robert Scoble
I enjoy Steve's ramblings on TC...so poetic stream of consciousness stuff. The trolls hate it...
- paisano
Jamie: it's called WINDOWS Phone 7. Not Xbox Portable.
- Robert Scoble
thank to all the Gang members and all the chat folks. you guys ROCK!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Yup Trolls hate Steve
- clive boulton
thank you
- paisano
but it contains Xbox Live :)
- Jamie
It was awesome!
- Robert Scoble
Jamie: contains is not enough.
- Robert Scoble
Tina - Good to be live for a change
- PXLated
Jamie: Windows Phone 7 is failing and failing hard.
- Robert Scoble
terrific GG timing / realtime!
- clive boulton
Jamie: and it isn't gonna be able to get back up.
- Robert Scoble
the trolls had aneurysm whem Steve wrote about Rosebud... huh? what?
- paisano
Jamie: developers around the world are voting actively against WP7.
- Robert Scoble
Jamie: and that's death.
- Robert Scoble
I heard you shitting on it in the last show. im a fan personally, though the app situation isn't ideal.
- Jamie
Jamie: it's not ME shitting on it. It's the developers.
- Robert Scoble
Jamie: I'm just the messenger.
- Robert Scoble
no, you were last week
- Jamie
you said it was horrible lol
- Jamie
yea Robert you couldn't just use the windows 7 phone for a whole day...
- paisano
Jamie: well, it is. Use it. It lags. It has features missing. Cut and paste anyone? And apps just totally suck on it.
- Robert Scoble
cut and paste is on there. did you get the update?
- Jamie
paisano: I keep using it, actually, because the Microsoft fanboys say I needed to give it more than that.
- Robert Scoble
win8 looks great...so does ie10
- paisano
Jamie: hmmmm. Let me pull it out. Hang out.
- Robert Scoble
is it too late?
- paisano
paisano: it's too late. 2012? Give me a break.
- Robert Scoble
Microsoft likes to make us w8
- paisano
7.5 has a very solid list of features though. a lot of which were announced today by Apple. for me it has by and large caught up with the kind of core functionality you would expect, as well as excelling in areas like gaming, media (particularly over Android)
- Jamie
that said, it lags when it comes to apps.
- Jamie
$29 vs $$$ for w8
- clive boulton
and i agree about quality...twitter for iphone is so much better than twitter for WP it isnt even funny
- Jamie
Microsoft's dinosaur era development life cycles have hurt them... it's all about iteration now
- paisano
what have you released for me lately
- paisano
Oh, sorry, I see there's an update available for WP7 but I gotta connect it to a PC and I don't have a PC.
- Robert Scoble
you can do it on a Mac robert
- Jamie
via the Windows Phone Connector. That's how I updated
- Jamie
Its in the Mac App Store
- Jamie
Product design cadence killing MS
- clive boulton
Jamie: hmmm. Got it. Damn that's intuitive.
- Robert Scoble
not ideal OOBE. but funnily enough I find the syncing mechanism (it picks up your iTunes library/playlists/podcasts etc) to be better than what it is on the PC via Zune
- Jamie
Redmond must stop LOAP development (Lipstick on a Pig) and go whole hog from the ground up
- paisano
not sure W8 is that though. the whole "its just a skin" meme is kinda stupid
- Jamie
Windows 8: The Beginning of the End of Windows http://bit.ly/lMohcZ
- clive boulton
i know...win8 is pleasant radical departure
- paisano
clearly W8 is a platform in itself... with a new app environment... apis specifically for it. the likes of engadget and thisismynext are writing it off as some kind of HTC-sense piece of work. crazy.
- Jamie
much needed
- paisano
the question for me is not why it runs "classic" windows, but whether it will run adequately on low power chips, and deliver the 8-10 hours battery life needed
- Jamie
windows phone picks up your itunes libraries? Won't Apple squash that like they did to WebOS on palm?
- Kevin Marks
everythink waiting:) wanna move?: http://www.insulationcavity.com/
- insulation
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5:02 are we on?
- Ralph Henson
almost hearing the GG rif
- clive boulton
THere will be a half hour of fiddling with the technology first:-)
- Francine Hardaway
LOL! As usual!
- Ralph Henson
I think 6 PM is a goal, not a time. But @kevinmarks is ready
- Francine Hardaway
I'm on the call, we're still connecting folks.
- Robert Scoble
RealTime network should be renamed SomeTime network. :-)
- Ralph Henson
Tina is trying to expel the cat from the studio
- Francine Hardaway
Ralph: it's the Internet. When it happens it happens. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Hi Robert
- Francine Hardaway
Hi Francine, what part of the world are you in today?
- Robert Scoble
More cats please, not less. Will Improve the show. Sorry Francine, know you like the canines better but cats are the key to monitization of the internet.
- Aron Michalski
live FTW
- Truong Nguyen
hi Robert, DM you earlier
- Truong Nguyen
Cats are also the key to full functioning social networks!
- Ralph Henson
Robert, I have come home to AZ to do launcry:-)
- Francine Hardaway
That
- Francine Hardaway
Do any of you Know if there is Wi fi on thai airways?- David
- recoblogger
Gray basically lives in the studio now because he can't get along with the puppies. They're too hyper for him
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Dogs have owners, cats have staff
- Dave Martin
We're waiting for Seth to reboot his computer or something like that.
- Robert Scoble
Seth having technical problems....sorry for the delay people. I could dance and sing if you like? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Puppies???? Plural????
- Francine Hardaway
OK, we're about to start.
- Robert Scoble
last night on TummelVision, we had Heather calling in from her car crossing the Canada to US border, and me in a taxi crossing the Denver plains
- Kevin Marks
its Crackerjack
- clive boulton
Kavin, that's some kind of miracle
- Francine Hardaway
I see you
- Michael Krigsman
And you have a Big Bang Blu Ray ad on your face, Scoble
- Francine Hardaway
Wait until you see my cool Oakley 3D glasses.
- Robert Scoble
lol clive.
- Kevin Marks
TC Disrupt did sound good.
- Francine Hardaway
TC Disrupt as daytime TV
- Kevin Marks
strange saw nearly no disrupt tweets
- clive boulton
I was the most retweeted person using the #tcdisrupt hashtag and I was watching it on the freeway. Don't tell the cops.
- Robert Scoble
Chat is not overlooked here, or on TWIT
- Francine Hardaway
Without Ballmer there would be no crazy, screaming videos of him on stage.
- Michael Krigsman
feels really awkward using office, only using word for spell / grammar checker
- clive boulton
I actually think NetMeeting worked well for the time
- Francine Hardaway
I use the Word 2010 grammar checking on every single blog post I write. It's fantastic.
- Michael Krigsman
Multi tasking on iPad doesn't work well even without AirPlay
- Francine Hardaway
I love the fact that those of us who won't bite on the Microsoft upgrades receive .docx files and get to use Google Docs to see them. Then, you can save them as .doc and download them. Cloud workaround.
- Aron Michalski
iPad multi-tasking is really task switching, like on the very very old versions of windows
- Michael Krigsman
Just getting used to iPad limits; after blasting around even on the N1 with multiple things going, it's a more linear usage experience.
- Aron Michalski
Michael: yes, true. But does it matter? Not for most things.
- Robert Scoble
but why would Zuck do that? It's a Facebook world now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
They should bring Muglia back
- Charlie Isaacs
Charlie: I hear Muglia wasn't very good, from other people inside Microsoft. But, even if he were, I don't think he is what Microsoft needs.
- Robert Scoble
"Welcome to Microsoft Apprentice..."
- Aron Michalski
microsoft has made more money from Android than from Windows phone: http://www.asymco.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
good one Aron
- Charlie Isaacs
Steven Sinofsky to preview Windows 8 tablet @ D9 http://bit.ly/mGAGcm
- clive boulton
I met Bob Muglia several years ago and he seemed to be a bright guy, and really personable, but things change. You have to keep up.
- Charlie Isaacs
Best-Performing U.S.-Listed International Stocks (May 28, 2011) - http://stockmarkettowatch.blogspot.com/2011...
- rabiemahamad
Seattle call is for Bill Gates to return
- clive boulton
Having a clueless board is quite common.
- Francine Hardaway
MS also holds valuable patents/ip
- Dave Martin
+1 "good one Aron - Charlie Isaacs"
- clive boulton
Groundswells
- Dave Martin
Apple's consumerized tech, but have they consumerized IT...
- clive boulton
Dave: big one!
- Robert Scoble
cliveb: yup. And there are a whole raft of companies consumerizing IT. Yammer and all.
- Robert Scoble
Where's his OC3 when he needs it
- Charlie Isaacs
Charlie: I don't know, I got Comcast to upgrade my line this morning.
- Robert Scoble
IRC for music
- Kevin Marks
Hows about some turntable.fm invites for those here, please
- Dave Martin
you just have to friend seth on facebook
- Kevin Marks
got off facebook in oct 08 when beacon happened
- Dave Martin
don't tell @benioff or @stevegillmor, Alcatel-Lucent selected Yammer #beforemytime
- Charlie Isaacs
They will grow under the radar if not actually sanctioned.
- Francine Hardaway
Robert: cute pic of your son :-)
- Charlie Isaacs
Radian6 has an awesome REST API
- Charlie Isaacs
chatter's drawback enterprise only (needs pubsub tokens)
- clive boulton
3D Scoble; I need a downgrade.
- Aron Michalski
Heheh
- Robert Scoble
Stevie Wondervision
- Charlie Isaacs
Twitter is floundering
- Francine Hardaway
I do the Google Alerts thing too, doesn't catch everything
- Charlie Isaacs
First step toward creating a conversation
- Francine Hardaway
So will @mention replace Active directory?
- clive boulton
when do we get to talk about Zuck killing and eating his own food :-)
- Charlie Isaacs
Charlie: do we have to?
- Robert Scoble
feeble attempt at humor
- Charlie Isaacs
See??? I knew it!
- Francine Hardaway
Yep. That's why I wrote my "Twitter for Seniors" post:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Twitter is a tool that allows me to use YOU GUYS to 'curate' all of the stuff that's going on in the tech world!
- Ralph Henson
Kevins nailed it, Active Client over Active Directory.
- clive boulton
IMO Twitter needs to buy more companies so they can solidify their revenue base to provide support for their ridiculous market valuation
- Charlie Isaacs
kids dont like twitter. that means something
- Tina Chase Gillmor
bravo Tina.
- Aron Michalski
Bravo Tina
- Francine Hardaway
agree with Tina and Aron, my teenagers poked fun at me today when they saw my tweetdeck scrolling on one of my screens
- Charlie Isaacs
Very good for seeing news, if that's what you want
- Francine Hardaway
Gillmor & Scoble are celebrities? :-)
- Ralph Henson
Is Twitter the Wall Street Journal, not CNN? For news freaks but not teenagers.
- Robert Scoble
It's for people who want to KNOW things
- Francine Hardaway
I watched #tcdisrupt and Eurovision with it, that was fun. It's making me watch live TV again
- Kevin Marks
Am surprised how Filpboard changes the reading experience. the list-y experience of IM and clients is comfortable; I feel like I'm missing something in some way.
- Aron Michalski
It's like someone who is used to command line than a snazzy UI.
- Aron Michalski
But we're nerds, right?
- Aron Michalski
I will take that bet, too.
- Francine Hardaway
Flipboard has too many competitors
- Francine Hardaway
Is that $100 US or 100 Eaves on EmpireAvenue?
- Charlie Isaacs
oops
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Francine: and they all suck in some way. And they aren't signing up the big brands.
- Robert Scoble
Paper.li has a great vibe, web based for now, an app will be very competitive.
- Aron Michalski
Like no Friendfeed without Twitter...
- Aron Michalski
have you seen blogger's flipboard like views of their blogs?
- Kevin Marks
Not yet.
- Aron Michalski
Kevin: yeah, but they aren't even close to the same.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: normal people want to read Oprah or Rolling Stone. They aren't on Blogger.
- Robert Scoble
How about the Gaga/Amazon crash-a-thon?
- Aron Michalski
That looks like shit compared to Flipboard.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, very cool.
- Aron Michalski
talked to Eli Pariser about his Filter Bubble book yesterday too
- Kevin Marks
normal people like paper.li I saw that at BlogWorld
- Francine Hardaway
http://scobleizer.com/2011... Very efficient microservers. This company is taking off.
- Robert Scoble
nice eyeball
- Charlie Isaacs
BlogWorld is NOT normal people.
- Robert Scoble
Reading Pariser's book and moderated a panel on curation with Edouard Lambelet, Steve Rosenbaum, Eric Hippeau, Kevin
- Francine Hardaway
BWENY was. All newbies
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: you really should look at Twylah.
- Robert Scoble
It's a far more interesting business than Paper.li is.
- Robert Scoble
Be honest, do you really read anyone's Paper.li? I don't.
- Robert Scoble
Francine: Twylah: http://scobleizer.com/2011...
- Robert Scoble
Paper.li as a configurable app would be very cool. Using Twitter lists shaped by you makes you a publisher in a new way.
- Aron Michalski
Paper.li is like Qwiki. Looks very cool on first look. Then when you start using them you realize they are quite lame.
- Robert Scoble
Was planning to look at it, Robert. And dude, I don't like Paper.li
- Francine Hardaway
Then someone just imports your feed into their paper.li app or Faceboard app and...
- Aron Michalski
If he keeps talking about Salesforce I am going to ask him about Metallica
- Charlie Isaacs
I'm going to talk about Yammer more if he does. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Paper.li is flipboard as a newspaper template rather than a magizine template. same bird otherwise.
- Aron Michalski
It was better when you guys didn't have real jobs:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Aron: wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Right, Aron
- Francine Hardaway
good one Robert (and Francine)
- Charlie Isaacs
I am heading for the nearest bar
- Francine Hardaway
Aron: Flipboard has professional content, curated. Paper.li does not.
- Robert Scoble
They could talk about anything they wanted then...sigh.
- Aron Michalski
It doesn't want to...
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: I have a bottle of wine downstairs.
- Robert Scoble
I'd better lookup Flipboard.
- clive boulton
is there a designated driver app?
- Aron Michalski
Happy Holidays everyone :-) over and out
- Charlie Isaacs
Bummer. I'm in the wrong town.
- Francine Hardaway
see you in a few weeks.
- Aron Michalski
where are you going Aron?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Kevin - Friday it's 5 o'clock, no it's not Dr Who, it's..http://youtu.be/JXdxke5uPEM
- clive boulton
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Leaving Oracle to cozy up to RIM after securing rights to Android.
- clive boulton
who'son today?
- dlature
I am
- Kevin Marks
I am, waiting for the famous Skype call...
- Robert Scoble
Hi everybody. Happy revolution.
- Amyloo
I think I'm on. Literally but perhaps not figuratively.
- John Taschek
Amyloo: which one? The one in Egypt or the one in Nokia? This is the Gillmor Gang! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I figure it's always safe to assume the GG as defined by Steve can very well include politics, music and comedy.
- Amyloo
Overthrowing dictators is only slightly more important than phone vendor sports, Robert ;p
- Michael Breslin
Amyloo: politics, music, and comedy pretty much explains what's going on inside Nokia. :-)
- Robert Scoble
so then happy turkey day?
- Ankush Narula
If the army is running things. That doesn't sound much more positive, does it?
- Stephen Pickering
Happy revolutionary day!
- Robert Scoble
Who knows how either of these stories will turn out? o_O
- coldbrew
lol...they say Apple kicked their ass and then do a deal with MSFT?
- Karoli
Scoble, who is the dictator? Microsoft?
- Matt Terenzio
Not sure I'd like the idea of the U.S. Army taking control but . . .
- Matt Terenzio
Nokia's market cap is 35 billion
- Stephen Pickering
I'm sure it used to be north of 100 billion
- Stephen Pickering
Nokia's existing developer community will now move to Android - not Windows Phone 7.
- Ankush Narula
Ankush: the Nokia developer community is irrelevant. If they WERE relevant we would be using Nokia devices.
- Robert Scoble
There is certainly a good chance this partnership can work. MS shows a willingness to throw large amounts of cash, but NOK does seem to be throwing in the towel.
- coldbrew
I don't get this whole internet + call stuff, I have a Droid Incredible and have basically never wanted to do that.
- Eric Florenzano
Apple and Google absolutely need each other equally. They are like two stars in a dual star system locked in a gravitational dance
- Stephen Pickering
Ankush: and, anyway, WinPhone7 has better developer tools.
- Robert Scoble
Apple needs Google's data, Google needs Apple's distribution
- Stephen Pickering
Lost connection
- Robert Scoble
Call me back Tina...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It's a big culture shift - essentially Nokia is becoming Microsoft Jr. by dumping all of their platforms and tools. Won't this won't cause a shakeup internally at Nokia and with Nokia's partners?
- Ankush Narula
If either Apple or Google got rid of each other, they would lose too much credibility in the marketplace
- Stephen Pickering
I'm not arguing against the merits of WP7
- Ankush Narula
I've had this computer for months and just had to install silverlight. That speaks volumes of Silverlight lack of traction.
- Matt Terenzio
whats silverlight? :P
- Nick Halstead
Great comments, Ankush and Stephen
- John Taschek
HP went the other way
- Ankush Narula
Thanks John! :-)
- Stephen Pickering
OpenOffice really needs a lot of work...it's really still not there yet.
- Eric Florenzano
Thanks John
- Ankush Narula
Florenzano: Only if you need some of the more advanced excel functions.
- coldbrew
coldbrew: I dunno, I find every time I need to use it, I run into something weird that I can't quite do properly in OO.
- Eric Florenzano
I dont buy into that Microsoft is going to get any App development traction - and without Apps its doomed
- Nick Halstead
Nick: well, Angry Birds isn't on WinPhone7
- Robert Scoble
Nick: I wonder if IE9 will lend any credence to Microsoft's position on HTML5 vs Silverlight
- Ankush Narula
Ankush: I've been told that inside Microsoft Silverlight is dead. Windows 8 will be a BIG bet on HTML5.
- Robert Scoble
...and the cloud :)
- coldbrew
Robert: I've heard similar sentiments
- Ankush Narula
Ankush: but Silverlight will kick along for a few years, just like Visual Basic kicked along for a few years after they stopped caring about that.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: I'm pretty sure Silverlight is Windows Phone 7's main development platform, isn't it?
- Eric Florenzano
"sure, you pay heavily for a fast internet connection that is always on, but servers are hard. Pay us a monthly fee. It is SO much easier"
- coldbrew
:)
- coldbrew
Silverlight is dead is a big story. But it makes sense for Microsoft to do this.
- John Taschek
I would be surprised if they went all in on HTML5, but hell, that would be the kind of thing that's crazy enough to work...especially to get developers on board.
- Eric Florenzano
In the 70s there three networks. Today there are two. hehehheh
- Stephen Pickering
Does the death of silverlight mean that devs are already being redirected away from the silverlight WP7 toolkit?
- John Taschek
Eric: for now, but it's clear that WinPhone7 will move toward HTML 5 in future.
- Robert Scoble
BGR just posted that HP TouchPad planned for June, priced at $699?
- Kenny
And so WP7, Android and webOS all seem to be aligning behind HTML5 apps. Even Bret Taylor is talking about killing native FB apps.
- Ankush Narula
Shouldn't you differentiate among silverlight wpf AND .net?
- coldbrew
Microsoft is now going to be run by engineers - so HTML5 fits in. http://doctordisruptive.wordpress.com/2011...
- John Taschek
Kenny: Single SKU? Contract?
- coldbrew
The only third party that would survive would be one that is lighter and faster, especially for mobile.
- Aron Michalski
John: will the engineers publicly behead Steve Ballmer first?
- Ankush Narula
Newsmix is another Flipboard like player by Sobees that's worth a look http://lifestreamblog.com/trunk-l...
- Mark Krynsky
what evidence is there that people are aligning behind html5 apps? if anything it is the opposite... apps are very much still the most popular way to deploy for mobile
- Jamie
coldbrew: it doesn't say. Just a quick small post no real details other then price and month. http://www.bgr.com/2011...
- Kenny
Here we go, Links are dead again. ; )
- Matt Terenzio
Jamie: I'm speaking of deployment methodology as well as development tools.
- Ankush Narula
Remember track via XMPP?
- coldbrew
Are there clouds or fog in John T's location? ;-)
- Aron Michalski
Why does John look like he's dial up using on a Webcam from 1990 :) Bad video
- Kenny
John T is in an aquarium
- Ankush Narula
track via XMPP...those were the hours...
- Aron Michalski
heh, thanks for following my list, John! http://twitter.com/jromeh...
- Jerome Hughes
I think Facebook's whole philosophy is that your friends need to become your filter on everything, and they think that hasn't happened yet for news.
- Eric Florenzano
It looks like the Nokia sauna-cam...
- Aron Michalski
asking the crowd, who else should be on that list ? :D
- Jerome Hughes
I thought newtwitter took it clearly out of the social network category?
- coldbrew
twitter is how I get a lot of my news
- Kenny
For those of us normal people there is a huge lurk factor.
- coldbrew
I have a pretty similar friends base on Twitter and Facebook (pretty geeky) and Twitter is by far more for sharing news/links whereas Facebook is more about personal status updates. This is in part because of how people treat the services differently. Facebook more about small private friends (reciprocal) vs. Twitter more open (public follows)
- Mark Krynsky
I think my wife is running Pandora One and it sucked bandwidth. So I am in the fog and the aquarium, even though it's a sunny day in San Francisco!
- John Taschek
people can't always tell twitter from facebook: http://www.someecards.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
Is John in Egypt? heheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin....hah awesome.
- Mark Krynsky
Maybe John just is blurry -- even if you saw him in person.
- Amyloo
:)
- Kenny
Kevin: People can't tell Facebook from ReadWriteWeb :) http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- Eric Florenzano
Gillmor stubble: the return! Like it Steve, very rugged.
- Denise Howell
John is Big Foot! http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Ankush Narula
Amyloo - yes - I have heard that before.
- John Taschek
NGL could have done it ;-)
- Aron Michalski
johnT must be in pacifica fog zone
- clive boulton
Jerome, list looks good; I might prune it a bit rather than add... ;-)
- Aron Michalski
Damn, I need to get upgrade my Polaroid "Land" webcam and get into the real world.
- John Taschek
We should force Gabe to use a headphone. :-)
- Robert Scoble
What is Gabe playing with that makes that weird noise?
- Robert Scoble
It's the Dorian Gray model Logitech.
- Aron Michalski
Google hired Social star Ed Chi
- clive boulton
We should force Gillmor to get a razor ;)
- Kenny
Sounds like prayer beads.
- Denise Howell
I thought that was Elizabeth Taylor
- Matt Terenzio
We had an audible potty flush today on TWiL; perhaps my proudest moment as a host.
- Denise Howell
I just want to be a fly on the wall when Arrington has his first fight with Ms. Huffington
- Ankush Narula
Well getting the Howard Fineman's to Huffpo, isn't that just play out of Citizen Kane's playbook?
- Stephen Pickering
Google moving up social http://twitter.com/edchi...
- clive boulton
I like Daily Beast as a competitor to huffpo on the writing side.
- Denise Howell
I think they get a lot of traffic to their gossip stories. Gabe might have a idea of how much.
- Amyloo
Denise: good point!
- Robert Scoble
I can't read any of it. No idea about any of it. Pretty sure its barley tech related.
- coldbrew
started off politically wonky, now has a fine crust of TMZ all over it...
- Aron Michalski
thx, Aron! find it pretty useful, in a crude sort of way
- Jerome Hughes
I'm using my essential list to generate a paper.li page...
- Aron Michalski
All of a sudden I keep hearing about Readability. The other liberrians were just talking about it.
- Laura Norvig
did John request anonymity today?
- Kevin Marks
That's it; he's in witness protection!!!
- Aron Michalski
Readability and Instapaper are essential these days. The web is cluttered with crappy layouts and terrible font choices.
- Ankush Narula
Gillmor said I wasn't allowed to talk as much as usual today so I had to underground. I thought he meant literally.
- John Taschek
Been using 2-step authentication for about 6 weeks - it's great. I've generated about 30 passwords for different apps and devices.
- Ankush Narula
What's Last Pass? I heard good things about that
- Stephen Pickering
That's a simple password manager.
- coldbrew
I've used 1Password for a while now
- Leah Culver
that's how I feel. I don't care if someone gets my stuff. All public anyway
- Francine Hardaway
is Scoble using auto-tune?
- Aron Michalski
i have an RSA key for my payroll, but it never works right
- Francine Hardaway
Autotune?Is that like IamTPain?
- Francine Hardaway
Aron: hahah! That would be fun to try!
- Robert Scoble
Chatter UI/UX srlsy needs TLC
- clive boulton
now we are talking about my world...
- Aron Michalski
Auto tune the building43? :)
- Eric Florenzano
If you can get away with just an iPad your not doing much work
- Kenny
Francine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Aron Michalski
They can't buy RIM. RIM's too big
- Stephen Pickering
They should buy HTC.
- Eric Florenzano
RIM has grown 20 per cent per quarter in the last 4 years right in the teeth of Apple and Android
- Stephen Pickering
RIMs market cap is 33bn... MS have more than that in csh.
- Jamie
Oracle buys RIM after Larry lawyers beat up Googles for Android.
- clive boulton
Yeah, so they're gonna give all their cash away to have a metal bender?
- Stephen Pickering
very soft focus
- Jerome Hughes
I just don't see that RIM is losing - I see Blackberries everywhere and I see them selling all the time. Not to mention that they're pretty entrenched in government and enterprise.
- Ankush Narula
Too late -- biz already moving to Android. At least according to my workplace mobile stats.
- Amyloo
Buying HTC would not only stunt Android's largest OEM, but HTC has proven that they're competent and well-led.
- Eric Florenzano
He's using Cher's cinematographer...
- Aron Michalski
not saying they will do it - but the idea that RIM is too big is false.
- Jamie
borders going bankrupt, good job ebooks!
- Michael Breslin
BlackBerries > BlackOracles
- clive boulton
33bn is two years cash
- Jamie
RIM just keeps growing like crazy. 1 billion in after tax profits last quarter
- Stephen Pickering
SP: exactly
- Ankush Narula
Aro nski I think that's the tech behind I am TPain
- Francine Hardaway
cliveb: check it out, thoughts? http://www.eweek.com/c...
- Kenny
HP seems to be targeting RIm more so than others. cliveb: I like that oracle/rim possible partnership idea.
- coldbrew
the range of Android is easily from $29 to $500, and still android makes about $7 a head.
- Aron Michalski
Android's notification is way better than iphone
- Stephen Pickering
iphone's notification awful
- Kenny
they already do use webkit dont they?
- Jamie
They have moved to WebKit - the Torch
- Ankush Narula
and the bulk of RIMs audience is actually NOT enterprise, but consumer. ppl underestimate bbm
- Jamie
Kenny - IcedRobot fork, yes. But Google will cave to Oracle.
- clive boulton
Francine, yes it is, as an effect but it is mainly to repair the humanity of the human voice. Watch Glee and see how much soul is sucked out of it by productions decision to run it through the software.
- Aron Michalski
Won't Blackberry become less relevant as e-mail use declines?
- Amyloo
Exactly. Google and Apple need each other
- Stephen Pickering
cliveb: really? hmmm, it'll be interesting
- Kenny
I agree with Robert - RIM/Microsoft would be pretty strong
- Ankush Narula
yeah and google is broke - lol
- Kenny
the cream, the cream, it's on the shelf!
- Jerome Hughes
Ankush: RIM/Microsoft/Nokia. :-)
- Robert Scoble
If RIM is a loser, I'd love to be a loser. They are doing gangbusters. Look at their financials
- Stephen Pickering
Robert: yup
- Ankush Narula
Rimsoftia?
- John Taschek
JT: Sounds dirty
- Ankush Narula
Stephen - have heard the same said of MS here many times
- Jerome Hughes
Micrimia?
- John Taschek
Stephen: be careful, you gotta read them the right way. RIM is in deep trouble, just like Nokia is.
- Robert Scoble
The dumbphone market will go along with my @cgerrish discussion, the off the grid/on the grid one, where identity and legality will blip on and off.
- Aron Michalski
RIM OS is what 18 yrs old...
- clive boulton
What semi is Oracle going after? Larry said he would acquire?
- coldbrew
cliveb: I think QNX is RIM's current bet
- Ankush Narula
Marvell?
- coldbrew
Stephen: read this about RIM: http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.com/2010...
- Robert Scoble
I will say Apple will remain the leader in tablets, not because it's so much better but it's very good and priced extremely well...unlike the over price Android tablets, they are very good but over priced
- Kenny
Voice/text is a given dumbphone feature but will the web be?
- Aron Michalski
Thanks Robert!
- Stephen Pickering
I don't think the average consumer is buying an Android phone though... they are buying SE, HTC, LG phones etc..
- Jamie
well use them for more then a day
- Kenny
If I could only afford 5 phones...
- Aron Michalski
Unrelated note: Thought I saw a young Scoble in the HBO Reagan documentary. Is that possible?
- Alex de Soto
Ankush - ONX makes sense, but Oracle wants to crush SAP's mobile stratgey
- clive boulton
Alex: hah. I was at a Reagan rally once.
- Robert Scoble
holy crap
- Kenny
What context did you think you saw me? My photo of Reagan is still hanging in the Republican Headquarters in Silicon Valley.
- Robert Scoble
iAppleScripting
- Jerome Hughes
Tiny, seconds-long clip of someone in a crowd commenting on the country's situation.
- Alex de Soto
2.2 does
- Aron Michalski
Alex: I doubt it. But I did get a great photo of him.
- Robert Scoble
Not all Android apps jump but a bunch do; as well of those who use the browser as an engine so it's just tabs.
- Aron Michalski
Robert: Check it out. It just might be you. :)
- Alex de Soto
Oops, did everyone's video just drop or is it just me?
- Kenny
ah, its back
- Kenny
reminds of the TSR daze
- Jerome Hughes
It's really cool to see new versions of Android apps all finding these good features, especially the "move to SD card" one...
- Aron Michalski
Anyone care to comment on the use of "post-PC era" ?
- coldbrew
Someone is typing furiously, ha!
- Eric Florenzano
He's counting all that cash he's making
- Stephen Pickering
Scobleizer vs. Quora? :P
- Eric Florenzano
he's left the building
- Jerome Hughes
Talk about Instagram Robert! ehheheheheheheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
Nice when GoogleTV app market opens. Planning a GillmorGang App
- clive boulton
iPad 2 will be out before the touchpad
- Jamie
also the Pre 2 is about to come out on Verizon but they just announced the Pre 3...who's gonna buy a Pre 2 right now
- Kenny
HP? Microsoft/Nokia? Android? Bah. It's about ecosystem. Here's what's coming: http://ankush.posterous.com/the-fut...
- Ankush Narula
THe problem with HP is that great geniuses always have weaknesses, and like how they got rid of Hurd, they won't allow any CEO that has any weakness which loses the genius part
- Stephen Pickering
cliveb: I hope I can get some functionality on mythTV :)
- coldbrew
careful; Gillmor may be Apple only, an Android app would be blasphemous.
- Aron Michalski
Michalski: It makes him feels safe, and I don't think he is alone.
- coldbrew
"Groupware!"
- Ankush Narula
coldbrew: indeed. Google hired IE leader to head up GoogleTV app market place
- clive boulton
ROA!
- Jerome Hughes
I learned Twitter from Scoble and Leo. If I'd only joined 3 weeks earlier I could have been @stephen !
- Stephen Pickering
Novell was way ahead of its time - distributed computing, the channel, the CNE ...and Groupware!
- John Taschek
JT: Agreed
- Ankush Narula
Twitter found its highest, best use today when Steve Martin tweeted "Dancin' by the Nile," followed by "Mubarak's dancin' wear: dress socks, sandals, bag over head."
- Denise Howell
and then there was Newton…
- Jerome Hughes
Idea: use keyboard drumming as a special podcast way of applauding or saying "Hear, hear!"
- Amyloo
Timing is everything.
- John Taschek
Let's see what they can do with wave under Apache.
- coldbrew
JohnT why did Novell fade away?
- clive boulton
They are a lead conributor.
- coldbrew
It's like the chorus murmuring...
- Aron Michalski
Steve G invariably is right with these predictions
- Jamie
transformational
- Jerome Hughes
Exactly, Aron.
- Amyloo
JohnT: they were out run by Microsoft. When I saw Windows 3.11 and NT I knew it was over for Novell. They couldn't compete with that.
- Robert Scoble
Why is it always after companies like Google, FB, and Twitter become big doe their paradigms seem so obvious?
- Stephen Pickering
Robert: agreed
- Ankush Narula
Twitter was obvious to me in 2007. It just takes a lot of you a long time to catch up.
- Robert Scoble
emphatic paper crumpling
- Jerome Hughes
Twitter might have aided in the Egyptian revolution. But in the end, a good old phone call to GW Bush from Mubarak helped the former dictator dodge a million pairs of shoes.
- Ankush Narula
because once we see them being used, we develop intuitions for them
- Kevin Marks
I mean back in 2004 when I was tooling around with a retail store, I could have been building Facebook!
- Stephen Pickering
Novell played a game that it wasn't good at - buying WordPerfect to compete with Microsoft. Not upping the ante in the ring 0 versus ring 3 debate. Getting crushed in the channel too.
- John Taschek
Apple buying boxcar
- Jamie
Golf clap - lol
- Kenny
Jamie: Really?
- Eric Florenzano
Jamie: That would be interesting.
- Eric Florenzano
JohnT / RobertS - novell thx
- clive boulton
Re: Novell - agree with Robert.
- John Taschek
encore!
- Jerome Hughes
you're good.
- Aron Michalski
What will the FB and Twitter of 5 years from now be so that I can put my energies to good use? hehehe
- Stephen Pickering
Boxcar/Apple: http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-i...
- Ankush Narula
skate to where the puck will be...
- Jerome Hughes
glimpsing of new loop app?
- clive boulton
What was it that Jerry Garcia said? "We would have sold out if anyone was buying what we were doing..."
- Aron Michalski
have a good week everyone
- Ankush Narula
Hughes: you have to give Gretsky credit there :)
- coldbrew
RT: skate to where the puck will be... - Jerome Hughes
- clive boulton
coldbrew: and Christensen
- Jerome Hughes
See ya everybody. and the Hansen Brothers.
- Aron Michalski
hasn't had padded glasses for 38 years ->
- Jerome Hughes
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GroupOn? Gadgets? Google geekiness? All waiting for the call.
- Robert Scoble
Don't suppose you'll discuss Wikileaks? ;-) ... very troubled by the censorship and lock down and the scared rabbits we have become ...
- Xenophrenia
Weird the talking heads on my TV all say it's terrorism, you mean I shouldn't trust them?
- Michael Breslin
Xenophrenia: it's more complicated than that. Did you see the Amazon response to why they kicked them off?
- Robert Scoble
;-) ... no ... because they don't want they're message disrupted by this damn internet thing
- Xenophrenia
It's not just Amazon Robert .. the Library of Congress is blocking access to it on their wi-fi now
- Xenophrenia
The question is what will be the political favor amazon asks for in return.
- Michael Breslin
The Gu's "tattoo" http://tumblr.com/x0dyafhwv
- clive boulton
And what consequences were they 'threatened' with if they didn't
- Xenophrenia
Xenophrenia: I believe @werner when they said they weren't threatened with anything.
- Robert Scoble
I don't like this at all ;-( ... first the DHS is removing sites (at least their domains) ... now this sort of thing
- Xenophrenia
It's quite possible they just wanted to be removed from the shit storm, they have to think about their other customers as well.
- Michael Breslin
Xeno: welcome to the new, friendlier, China.
- Robert Scoble
maybe not explicitly ...
- Xenophrenia
;-) .. exactly Robert
- Xenophrenia
I don't want to become China though
- Xenophrenia
Michael: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
Freedom of speech/freedom of the press was getting old anyway.
- Michael Breslin
Well - we lost the 4th amendment - why not the 1st .. ;-)
- Xenophrenia
The DEA had taken the 4th long before the TSA did ;-) ... *sigh* ... I'll stop now ...
- Xenophrenia
Just talked to Steve, we'll be starting shortly.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry for the delay
- Robert Scoble
His daughter took an unplanned trip to emergency room.
- Robert Scoble
I find the talk of the P2P DNS interesting ... anyone here know anything about that or how it would work?
- Xenophrenia
Bill Hill, inventor of Cleartype has a new music video on Youtube and its great: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- David Lloyd
Glad to have been able to catch the last couple GGs live.
- Michael Breslin
Michael Copps, of the FCC, has some interesting comments about journalism earlier in the week, though he didn't touch on the Wikileaks topic http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news... (original story: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/enterta...)
- Chris Aldrich
She's okay Robert? ... didn't that happen not real long ago too?
- Xenophrenia
Bill Hill was great in his Channel 9 videos, nod to Scoble for that. :)
- Michael Breslin
He was my first interview at Microsoft. Love him.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry for the delay. Everything is getting hooked up.
- Robert Scoble
I see Kevin ;-) ... hello Kevin
- Xenophrenia
hi Xeno
- Kevin Marks
Bill HIll is one of those guys you could listen to talk about any subject for hours and hours.
- David Lloyd
I think Andrew Keen just got visited by Jehovah's Witnesses. We're live now.
- Robert Scoble
we need a Brady Bunch intro...
- Kevin Marks
Andrew is Oompa Loompa Orange
- Kevin Marks
I have a laptop attached to my television ;-) .. and haven't had cable television in years
- Xenophrenia
Bandwidth is infinite - George Gilder
- Stephen Pickering
Feels like a conversation from the past..
- dan farber
Comcast / L3 = Bit-torrent replay
- clive boulton
So has Comcast blocked Netflix?
- Stephen Pickering
Comcast asked L3 for fees
- clive boulton
Pickerring: No; they are just negotiating.
- coldbrew
But channel capacity is finite - Claude Shannon
- Chris Aldrich
There are an infinite number of colors of light, and each color can be a channel
- Stephen Pickering
Video files are really handy when you need to clear disc space...
- Kevin Marks
and if you lose access to the internet?
- Xenophrenia
no more movie
- Xenophrenia
3 strikes!
- Stephen Pickering
with just accusations
- Xenophrenia
do you remember the Qwest commercials from 10 years ago?
- Kevin Marks
we will never be offline ... hmm ... altruistic
- Xenophrenia
As finished as RSS :)
- coldbrew
there are a lot of people don't have this sort of access and if the economic disparity between the lower and higher classes means those who don't have access are screwed in other words
- Xenophrenia
you don't need to stream them, you can download them and start playing while they are downloading
- Kevin Marks
if i rent a dvd from netflix, can I rip said dvd to my imac?
- Stephen Pickering
not legally ;-)
- Xenophrenia
I remain unconvinced that there is a demand to match Hollywood's desire to produce 3D
- Andrew Hazlett
but yes - technically you can
- Xenophrenia
My friend runs KQED Quest, which shoots in HD, and now serves 1080p if you want it http://www.kqed.org/quest/
- Kevin Marks
Andrew: my late adopter brother in law bought a 3DTV. You'd be shocked to learn that there are SOME people who will want 3D.
- Robert Scoble
I live on the edge since I am currently unemployed ... I may lose access to my broadband ... then what? ... if I don't have stuff here I will be left with nothing if everything goes to online
- Xenophrenia
100Mbit fibre ta-da solution!
- clive boulton
it seems many here seem to not be aware that there are other people in the world without the access you have
- Xenophrenia
Light Peak vs USB3?
- Alex de Soto
Privilege Denying Scoble strikes again, Xenophrenia?
- Kevin Marks
? ... I didn't say he was denying me privileges ... just pointing out that the cloud may not be always available for some
- Xenophrenia
Xenophrenia: true enough! :-) But then if you live in a tent in Africa you probably have a series 60 Nokia phone and nothing else. So, I don't need to worry about them too much.
- Robert Scoble
Xenophrenia: the numbers of people who don't have access to cloud go down every day.
- Robert Scoble
So I should move to Africa? ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Xenophrenia: and this show is about the bleeding edge, which is moving to Netflix streaming VERY quickly.
- Robert Scoble
Robert doesn't care about normal people. :x
- Michael Breslin
But there are things that could severely disrupt that access ... and then what ... hell ... Northern lights have brought down power in Canada before
- Xenophrenia
Michael: right. :-) Normal people copy us eventually.
- Robert Scoble
I know I like having a 4TB NAS.
- coldbrew
I'm just saying that there are considerations
- Xenophrenia
Xeno: when the net goes down, I just visit my friends and start drinking.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: hehehehe
- Xenophrenia
Did anyone see the Ari Emmanuel interview at Web 2.0?
- Stephen Pickering
fibre to home, problem gone
- clive boulton
Is Ari's interview online Stephen?
- Chris Aldrich
boulton: What's the cost per home to deploy?
- coldbrew
Chris, yes, they have all the Web 2.0 summit interviews on youtube
- Stephen Pickering
the cloud generation won't be so much collectors as connectors
- dan farber
yes dan, connectors , sharers and reconnectors
- Kevin Marks
coldrew: cost / home too high
- clive boulton
cost/home is about the cost of a new fence
- Kevin Marks
I can't imagine that Emmanuel or any of the other Hollywood establishment really and truly get any of the new technology that is being discussed here.
- Chris Aldrich
We'd already have fiber to the home if there weren't telecom regulation
- Stephen Pickering
As for comcast and their ilk, they planned on charging toll fees when they bought/laid the pipes, assuming their lobby would be strong enough to crush any oposition.
- Michael Breslin
And as things are in the cloud how much easier to control the message will it be? ...
- Xenophrenia
cartels always get disrupted... eventually
- Andrew Hazlett
Ari said .99 was too low for a song, and that Jobs had screwed the labels, and they weren't going to let that happen to video
- Stephen Pickering
The problem with the entertainment establishment is that the financial models of the "old" distribution and the "new" distribution don't meet nicely in the middle. It's going to take a massive and very painful transition to bridge the gap.
- Chris Aldrich
Verizon is provisioning fibre to home (Comcast is not)
- clive boulton
Jobs saved the labels. He gave them ALL the money from iTunes sales
- Kevin Marks
Jobs makes money selling devices
- Kevin Marks
The value of media ownership goes down as quality content requiring 1080p becomes scarcer (for me). I don't buy as many blu-ray movies and am content with Netflix because there aren't as many new good movies that interest me.
- Alex de Soto
Michael, that's right, and using government to competitive advantage is not true capitalism
- Stephen Pickering
Verizon is no longer provisioining any more fiber.
- coldbrew
We moved the living room around, and now the Sofa is further from the TV, so netflix quality is good enough ;)
- Kevin Marks
we will not have copies of important files that could quietly start 'disappearing' online ... I tend to see what can go wrong ... and unfortunately have seen it happen too often ... I don't want to say I told you so ... but I see it ... the possibility of it
- Xenophrenia
Coldbrew: Why VZ stopped?
- clive boulton
I agree Kevin, and then Ari really went off on O'Reilly who suggested DRM free video would help sales
- Stephen Pickering
What you call it is irrelevant, it's reality. It will happen, net neutrality will lose imo, too much money is at stake for big companies.
- Michael Breslin
boulton: They are concentrating on getting more of their footprint subscribed.
- coldbrew
Provisioning fiber is phenomenally expensive... The reason the last mile is called a "problem" is that the cost is so high.
- Chris Aldrich
Ari who? Missed the original link
- Kevin Marks
Chris: and part of recouping that cost is charging tolls, this was the plan from the beginning.
- Michael Breslin
We need an AMD to bust Comcast/ VZ lock on last mile
- clive boulton
@Kevin Ari Emmanuel a talent agent and one of the heads of William Morris Agency
- Chris Aldrich
Breslin: Will "white space" spectrum help in forcing comptetition?
- coldbrew
Ari Emmanuel, the Super Agent in Hollywood, he was interviewed at the Web 2.0 summit, he's the brother of Rahm Emmanuel
- Stephen Pickering
I don't see how, the fat pipes are owned by big companies, they have all the leverage imo.
- Michael Breslin
He's the model for the character Ari Gold on Entourage
- Stephen Pickering
kill themselves by avoiding suicide?
- Xenophrenia
there's the Beatles reference
- Tina Chase Gillmor
iOs is the Beatles, Android is the Stones
- Stephen Pickering
It's not the Gillmor Gang without the Beatles. :-) Neil Young reference coming next. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
All refs. are Beatles on some level unless otherwise specified. :)
- Micah
The Junior Boys (Canadian Artist)
- clive boulton
Because he's an agent and his business model involves taking 10% off someone else's work, Ari Emmanuel is NOT going to be in a position to discuss where entertainment ought to go -- it's one of the few areas over which he has any influence.
- Chris Aldrich
One of them will be around in 40 years
- Stephen Pickering
Neil!
- Arnie Klaus
Tina, which daughter went to the ER? Everything okay?
- Francine Hardaway
In the long run, youtube will be the attack on the Cartel
- Stephen Pickering
In the four years of 2006 to 2009, music purchases increased from a record starting point of 1 billion purchases to the new record point of 1.5 billion music purchases.
- Kevin Marks
This doesn't mean many musicians are making money
- Francine Hardaway
No way stephen, the attack on the cartel will come when a massively popular smash television-like series is released online.
- Michael Breslin
All of this is a DISTRIBUTION PROBLEM at its root. Why isn't anyone discussing this aspect of the issue?
- Chris Aldrich
The difference is today, a lot more smaller artists can make a living selling a few thousand records, and touring
- Stephen Pickering
Francine - Naomi weird severe leg pain
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Many people are making pittances
- Francine Hardaway
distribution is now solved for music
- Kevin Marks
The internet itself is the great distribution disruptor
- Stephen Pickering
we are never going to make the huge numbers anymore ... if we use that as a comparison ... it will always come up short ... everyone wants to go back tot the 'golden age' ... it ain't gonna happen
- Xenophrenia
She okay now Tina?
- Francine Hardaway
Kevin: correct, and it's why piracy of _music_ is way down.
- Michael Breslin
Chris: You're right. It's promotion and distribution worldwide to make the big $$$.
- Alex de Soto
Neil Young. *bing!*
- Micah
http://zoekeating.com/ topped Billboard and iTunes charts with self-recorded album
- Kevin Marks
When you allow your product to be accessed easily at a reasonable price suddenly piracy becomes minimal.
- Michael Breslin
That's because Neil Young released it at 24-bit 196K, had to be on DVD
- Stephen Pickering
I ran a budget for a start up television network in July which included the startup and operation for one year providing 80 hours a week of live content. It ran at $50M versus the approximately $500M that networks like Bravo, TLC, or The Food Network were running at about 5 years ago.
- Chris Aldrich
Fifty years ago musicians could not support themselves either.
- Francine Hardaway
Francine - left her there. Think everything ok but don't know diagnosis yet
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The Long Tail
- Stephen Pickering
The record companies used to make the money. Now the bandwidth companies and Apple make the money
- Francine Hardaway
Now the lawyers make the mone
- Xenophrenia
money
- Xenophrenia
The source makes the money. The artists doesn't
- Francine Hardaway
DVRs will be around for a while.
- Alex de Soto
Same thing will go for movies, netflix started it but their play now selection is crap, when you can easily get any movie you'd want to watch at a reasonable price, nirvana!
- Michael Breslin
Cloud storage costs less and more competitive than home storage?
- Arnie Klaus
That's a whole other issue, Steve. You have to order it off a TV informercial llike the music of WWII LOL
- Francine Hardaway
Rust never sleeps is best scratchy
- Arnie Klaus
iPad is not comfortable for reading, I find
- Andrew Hazlett
Look at the history of publishing from Gutenberg: books, newspapers, radio, television... Over time it's become cheaper and cheaper for a larger audience to produce content. Networks like this one or even Leo Laporte's twit.tv have such a minimal cost that the average user will be able to run a tv station out of their home bathroom. The real difference will be the quality of the content.
- Chris Aldrich
Andrew: it's comfortable enough and the one coming next year is gonna have an ultra res screen.
- Robert Scoble
Getting both Andrew?! Think of the trees!
- Michael Breslin
Lilly Allen, Amy Winehouse, Duffy - all MySpace launches
- clive boulton
Chris: the quality of the content is going up on our bedroom nextworks. A $100 webcam is now HD.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: bedroom networks? ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Scoble: You have a bedroom cam?
- coldbrew
no Francine, Apple gives 70% of cover price to labels. The labels don't pass it on to the artists.
- Kevin Marks
sorry ... couldn't resist
- Xenophrenia
coldbrew: we're all in our bedrooms. :-)
- Robert Scoble
coldbrew: Gillmor Gang is actually done from a bedroom in his home. So am I.
- Robert Scoble
Ah... didn't know that ratio Kevin
- Francine Hardaway
Scoble: I should have guessed...
- coldbrew
I am in Chelsea's kitchen
- Francine Hardaway
Casey Casem (sp) cares.
- Michael Breslin
Good episode this week isn't it folks
- David Lloyd
@Robert: I didn't mean the quality in terms of the "technical" but rather the quality in terms of consumption... the difference in softer value between the movie Titanic and the YouTube video your cousin just shot. The desire to see either of these two is vastly different because of this perceived quality.
- Chris Aldrich
(Sidebar: Just switched over to Gillmor Gang Live Stream via Android Ustream Beta - working fine).
- Micah
Chris: and YouTube is catching up very quickly. I can now distribute 1080p via it and I think they are now taking 4K files.
- Robert Scoble
Francine - Chelsea FC? (ur tops)
- clive boulton
you can buy the liner notes on the kindle?
- Kevin Marks
The problem is the upload speed. That's why I cut my shows down to 480i.
- Robert Scoble
Chris, that's why I said youtube won't be the cartel killer, it's going to take a great quality television-like series to make people realize they can consume something great without having to get it from the content cartel.
- Michael Breslin
Hendrix, LLC makes 100 million a year
- Stephen Pickering
does the fact that 4K is around now mean there will be a whole new generation of TVs beyond 1080p? 4000p ?
- David Lloyd
http://www.kqed.org/quest/ does1080p now, and uses
- Kevin Marks
Yes David, though not soon.
- Michael Breslin
David: eventually. But not soon.
- Robert Scoble
Chelsea my daughter:-)
- Francine Hardaway
The reason music quality has gone down is because the emphasis on live playing has taken a back seat to recording
- Stephen Pickering
=)
- clive boulton
Isn't 4000p going to be a hard sell when its taken this long to get us to 1080p TV
- David Lloyd
it's more dispersed ... you don't have radio stations controlling the music people knew
- Xenophrenia
David: yes. 4k will be used mostly in movie theaters for a while.
- Robert Scoble
Everything is a hard sell, then scoble gets it, then everyone follows.
- Michael Breslin
4000p has bandwidth issues; no time soon for streaming in US....
- Ian McGee
Who needs radio when there's Pandora!
- Stephen Pickering
I'm an NPR junkie, so...
- coldbrew
I dont think the US has network tv in 1080p over the air yet do they?
- David Lloyd
I listen to podcasts in the car, that what I invented them for
- Kevin Marks
No david.
- Michael Breslin
Let's look at the books in the Library of Congress: there are millions and millions but only about one tenth of one percent has the greatest value and the highest circulation and readership. The real question is who will make and distribute the best one tenth of one percent of video entertainment in the next 10 years? Right now big media (Fox, Disney, Sony, et al.) have it.
- Chris Aldrich
Me too Kevin, thanks for inventing them.
- Michael Breslin
1080i yes, though 'over the air' is a bit spurious these days
- Kevin Marks
here in england we get TV in 720p or 1080i only :(
- David Lloyd
terristial radio in the states is horrible, 15 minutes of commericals for every 5 minutes of content, terrible content mind you
- Stephen Pickering
you invented podcasts Kevin? ...
- Xenophrenia
Is Apple only 27inch LED 2560-by-1440
- clive boulton
we have several NPR affiliates and community radio stations in Denver/ Metro with no commercials
- coldbrew
among others, yes - I was the first to sync them to iPods...
- Kevin Marks
Commonwealth Club speeches on podcast plus TWI* shows in my car. No Gillmore Gang anymore since the podcasts died...
- Ian McGee
Thank you Kevin. That's how I have educated myself
- Francine Hardaway
£30 ipod shuffle is perfect for me for podcasts.. I listen to them while running and the ipod weighs 11 grams
- David Lloyd
http://epeus.blogspot.com/2005... Xenophrenia
- Kevin Marks
Do English people jog? heheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
;-) ... thank you Kevin ...
- Xenophrenia
Ian: When I miss the live GG, I use youtube2mp3 or something like that, to make an mp3 of the show.
- Michael Breslin
And Robert's streaming to bluetooth to radio is the death-knell for the ridiculously expensive Sirius/XM broadcast model.
- Chris Aldrich
Pandora is the greatest
- Stephen Pickering
I have the voice over feature enabled on my Ipod Shuffle and it has a bug so it keeps going into German language mode...
- David Lloyd
Ian McGee - surprised Ustream hasn't a pod stream option
- clive boulton
Wer Fahr und Fahr an die Autobahn?
- Kevin Marks
MIchael -- I rarely get prepared enough to do it from home. I update Listen on my Android, so dependent on podcasts
- Ian McGee
I give you Lady Gaga
- Francine Hardaway
Just because its in a book with a Harvard Reference doesnt make it right :)
- David Lloyd
there are so many great songs stolen from the folk music etc
- Xenophrenia
Ian: Is Listen good? I have a nexus one by I normally consume audio on my ipod nano for the itunes podcast subscribing/syncing.
- Michael Breslin
Does anyone remember what happened to the Iridium Satellite network when it became much cheaper to do terrestrial cellular phone based technology? Billions and billions lost... The same thing is about to happen to the so-called "big-media."
- Chris Aldrich
Rolling Stones, Beatles ... all of them did it
- Xenophrenia
go look on my iTunes pulse account for all the music my son has downloaded...
- Kevin Marks
Youtube2mp3.... will try thx
- clive boulton
Music is still made for 13 year old girls
- Francine Hardaway
Listen is better than alternatives. Some bugs in forward/back scanning & occasional glitches, but serviceable enough I don't do audio books much anymore.
- Ian McGee
Through what means are they receiving Disney Kids radio Steve?
- Chris Aldrich
Sirius, I believe.
- coldbrew
NO
- Xenophrenia
Listen is OK; it has some flakiness. it nags every time you try and download on cell bandwidth
- Kevin Marks
Ian: Does it remember your position when you pause/stop playing a podcast? (multiple podcasts)
- Michael Breslin
16yo boys with cool haircuts making music for 13yo girls. Nothing chgs!
- clive boulton
Eminem is awesome
- Xenophrenia
yes michael
- Kevin Marks
Yes, I love foulmouthed rap in general
- Francine Hardaway
Dave winer wants a podcast listening device that does that Michael
- David Lloyd
though it forgets which one you were playing
- Kevin Marks
Eminem, Lady Gaga, et al. the cream will always rise to the top.
- Chris Aldrich
Jaron Lanier was a visionary in the 80's, but he's sounded burned out over the last 5...
- Ian McGee
Agree, Ian
- Francine Hardaway
Kevin, sounds great, I'd like to move from carrying phone+nano to just phone.
- Michael Breslin
The only thing I don't like about today's stars such as Eminem is they dont play any instruments
- Stephen Pickering
Steve noted a lot of small musicians are struggling, but no one has a right to be a successful musician so its hard to feel bad that not everyone can be a musicial success
- David Lloyd
Michael -- yes, Listen remembers where you were on multiple streams. Also on Android auto-pauses when I pull the audio cord out.
- Ian McGee
David: I know I told him the nano does everything he wants and he got angry with me and others for suggesting apple. (too expensive he says)
- Michael Breslin
michael look at doubletwist too - thats like itunes, except syncs over wifi as well as tether
- Kevin Marks
I listen to music from all over the place: ITunes, Rdo, Pandora, etc
- Francine Hardaway
Millionaire Dave Winer says the SHuffle is too expensive :)
- David Lloyd
I call BS on the death of the paper book, especially for home reading
- Andrew Hazlett
Stephen: yeah, if you're looking for instrumentals, Eminem ain't it.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: it's interesting that the PR industry still sends me paper. I hate it.
- Robert Scoble
if you want instrumentals, try Zoe Keating
- Kevin Marks
David: I know right, and since he has macs you'd think he wouldn't mind itunes.
- Michael Breslin
Anyone who loves poetry loves rap. For instruments, try jazz
- Francine Hardaway
who doesn't love a dusty old paperweight on their shelves... or two
- David Lloyd
Barns and Noble coffee shoppe, Steve's right
- clive boulton
or my son's podcast http://funnystories.blogspot.com
- Kevin Marks
The secret is to live next door to the Barnes & Noble!
- Chris Aldrich
Love Steve's downloading in the bookstore story. Reminds me of checking things in stores before buying on Amazon with Prime...
- Ian McGee
Does B&N have comfortable chairs?
- Michael Breslin
The money is in the coffee and pastries anyway
- Ian McGee
B&N has at least 3 comfy chairs
- clive boulton
I wish someone would explain the Level 3 story clearly, its a really confusing story
- David Lloyd
Comcast is definitely the bad guy. They are an unearned monopoly
- Stephen Pickering
Will bookstores eventually make all their money off of coffee and muffins the same way movie theaters stay in business by selling popcorn? (movies = books)
- Chris Aldrich
Lloyd: Couldn't do it well without spamming this thread.
- coldbrew
Andrew: Comcast = NBC Universal = Content = Threatened by netflix.
- Michael Breslin
L3 is Netflix ISP
- clive boulton
movies don't always stay on streaming ..
- Xenophrenia
:D
- David Lloyd
The netflix play it now selection is crap, I said that before.
- Michael Breslin
Bingo Robert...
- Ian McGee
But that's what people want to watch kevin! not the old stuff!
- Michael Breslin
There's something to be said for the zeitgeist for our daily watercooler discussions.
- Chris Aldrich
watch the Man in the White Suit
- Kevin Marks
Glee is very social
- Ian McGee
New = exciting!
- Michael Breslin
I want to watch the original Tron
- Kevin Marks
Then netflix is for you.
- Michael Breslin
I've had plenty of my streaming list go away
- Xenophrenia
My kids love Glee. Me too
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Glee isn't on streaming
- Kevin Marks
I'd watch old sereis of glee to catch up
- Kevin Marks
Tina, my 15-year old daughter is *very* into it, as are her friends. And it's very real-time with texting & conversations at school, etc.
- Ian McGee
A few is more than you can get right now Steve, which is NONE.
- Michael Breslin
I go see live theatre instead (yes I am an anomaly, but so is scoble)
- Kevin Marks
Isn't glee on network tv? Free OTA?
- coldbrew
Related, I missed one recently and watched it on Hulu. Almost unwatchable with the ads and streaming problems...
- Ian McGee
the super big screen of a theatre...can't replicate at home
- dan farber
this has been one of the best Gillmor Gang's ever
- David Lloyd
first time I've cared about every subject :D
- David Lloyd
Right Dan. I go to the theatre because I love the big screen
- Francine Hardaway
And the change of venue
- Francine Hardaway
I like theaters with cabaret tables and beer for sale.
- coldbrew
So we should be beholden to Apple's control?
- Xenophrenia
Isn't everyone having an app just meant to supplement the revenue made from the album?
- Michael Breslin
What about the psychological difference? It's always much more fun (and funnier) to see a great comedy movie in a packed movie house than to watch it by oneself. Or to see Neil in concert live with 100,000 others than to listen alone on an .mp3 player.
- Chris Aldrich
Neil Young was right, analog audio much superior, but Neil recorded this in 24-bit, 196k sample rate which is getting closer
- Stephen Pickering
I mean tehatre with actors, not cinema
- Kevin Marks
Now I can make some extra money for selling a 5$ ipod app along with my album.
- Michael Breslin
Stephen: actually Neil records most things in analog. Costs $6000 per hour of tape.
- Robert Scoble
coldbrew: seconded...theaters with cabaret tables and beer
- clive boulton
Jimmy Stewart's one great regret was that he never did as much live theater as Henry Fonda did... there's something more visceral about the intimacy and closeness of an audience.
- Chris Aldrich
Chris: Subjective, I don't like to leave the house, and the more people, the less likely I'm apt to go. :)
- Michael Breslin
Ah, Robert, interesting, then I heard he released it in 24 bit 196 as oppossed to most CD quality of 16/44
- Stephen Pickering
Chris, with a good crowd it's great. But so many times it's people thinking they're still in their living room, chatting, repeating lines, talking on phones... Maybe I'm getting old.
- Ian McGee
@Michael, some of that problem with more people is that movie theaters aren't designed like they used to be where they anticipated massive crowds and had bigger houses and lobbies as a result. These days your local 30-plex has a much more caged feel cutting down on the overall quality of the "going out" experience.
- Chris Aldrich
YouTube on the TV is a good thing, and it makes sense for that
- Kevin Marks
Isn't that chasing your tail? You need the audience to get the cartels but you can't get the audience because you don't have access to the content from the cartels?
- Michael Breslin
The app I use to view Youtube on my TV pulls down the MP4 file directly and look much cleaner than the FLV you normally see.
- David Lloyd
John's camera is in MySpace angle mode...
- Kevin Marks
What a fast paced chat. How fab
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Well the APple TV has a small Flash hard drive for caching only
- David Lloyd
4GB i think.
- David Lloyd
@Tina, just imagine what it would look like if there was an audience of 100,000 of us interacting... how would we scale this for a bigger group?
- Chris Aldrich
Anyone received free GoogleTV from I/O?
- clive boulton
when we were on TWiT network things moved too fast at times
- David Lloyd
I was bugged by Amazon's turning off WikiLeaks....
- Ian McGee
Chris: it would be crappy.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: I had a party this week and 80 people rocked. More doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
Have you noticed the debate is not what the documents revealed, but how they were aqquired?
- David Lloyd
So,, we'd hav to "bless" 80 people to be in main chat and then everyone else would have to be somewhere else.
- Robert Scoble
Or you'd have to have a field of dedicated producers/filters to weed out the lower "quality" discussion for the benefit of the masses...
- Chris Aldrich
The other people would get to watch the stream but not contribute. How non-internetish
- Francine Hardaway
We are not talking about the contents of the leaks, but if Amazon was right to kick em off.
- David Lloyd
Ari Emanuel was the best preso at Web2Summit
- Francine Hardaway
David, there are starting to be proper stories about the contents. First had to hear from everyone that hadn't read them about why it was a non-story.
- Ian McGee
Francine: yes, but the chat rooms always suck when they get too many people in them.
- Robert Scoble
Television need an open API! Who is working on that?!
- Chris Aldrich
Why does nothing run as smoothly as FriendFeed? Not even FB does
- Stephen Pickering
Flash burns the CPU / battery. As does HD Video. It should be my choice if I want to use apps which burn my battery, apple shouldn't forbid me.
- David Lloyd
chris you'd scale by segmenting by friends - twitter model
- Kevin Marks
weekend nights the Uk heckles xfactor ontwitter
- Kevin Marks
Stephen: FriendFeed is done by programming geniouses. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Or promotion a la stackoverflow
- Ian McGee
AppleTV rules!
- Francine Hardaway
@Robert, but didn't most of those geniuses go to FB? ;)
- Chris Aldrich
friendfeed is on facebook infrastructure with a fraction fo the users
- Kevin Marks
X Factor.. 1/3 of the country watches it. The rest of us who don't have to hear about it :)
- David Lloyd
Right. That's why I don't have Google TV. don't need it
- Francine Hardaway
Oh noes!
- Francine Hardaway
Says the AOL guy....
- Ian McGee
Ouch.
- David Lloyd
Stop leaving in the middle of shows its very unprofessional..
- David Lloyd
Chat audience doesn't work well past Dunbar number (150)
- clive boulton
Andrew likes to make waves
- Francine Hardaway
@Andrew would you prefer oligopolists?
- Chris Aldrich
The problem is the last mile connectivity
- Stephen Pickering
he basically wants them to name a price and have streaming movies on premier night
- David Lloyd
if level 3 want to mess with comcast, they'll set up a free disk backup service for comcast customers so the upstream bandwidth matches the downstream, so it counts as peering
- Kevin Marks
Pay per view like Tyson fight ($50)
- clive boulton
Look at the breakup of Hollywood in 1948 preventing vertical integration... where is the modern day equivalent?
- Chris Aldrich
exactly Chris- we need structural separation, which is how other countries do it
- Kevin Marks
Netflix: name your price!
- David Lloyd
I love the theatrical experience, but I can't always go to a movie
- Francine Hardaway
hehehe ... he's a dreamer isn't he?
- Xenophrenia
Well said, Kevin. Lets soak Comcast upstream (bittorrent)
- clive boulton
@Kevin, I agree, but sadly when you look at other countries, none of them dominate world media the way that the US does. (The nice side benefit though is the maintenance of individual cultures...)
- Chris Aldrich
ahh the cinema, home of a gallon of pop for £4.50 and a bucket full of pop corn for another fiver :D
- David Lloyd
good show, thanks.
- coldbrew
so books hops and cinemas become food sales environments
- Kevin Marks
good show xx
- David Lloyd
That was fun! Thanks for joining us.
- Robert Scoble
luv #GG
- clive boulton
cya next week and on twitter
- David Lloyd
great show tday ... thanks guys
- Xenophrenia
Excellent show folks.
- Chris Aldrich
Terrific show
- Francine Hardaway
Might have to watch it on a 56" TV
- Francine Hardaway
Darn. Just got home and see only the last chat remarks, "Good show, " "good show." Always reminds me of the forced walk-by for kid soccer or little league, hand slap and grumbling "good game."
- Amyloo
Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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I'm standing by, as usual.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Robert. :) Me too....to watch, not talk tho.
- Karoli
Should be starting shortly.
- Robert Scoble
combs are handy, not shower-dependent. Just sayin'
- Karoli
standing by (my phone has died)
- Kevin Marks
blue microphone guy?
- Yann Ropars
Yann: that would be me.
- Robert Scoble
;-)
- Robert Scoble
Looks like a cartoon microphone from the 60' - #style :)
- Yann Ropars
http://www.bluemic.com/bottle/ is my microphone.
- Robert Scoble
Maslow's hierarchy comes to Gillmor gang...
- Ian McGee
Ian: heh.
- Robert Scoble
is a social network monopoly possible? what would it look like? ref. FB
- Yann Ropars
I thought there was a way to expport from FB. Didn't Zuck announce that at a recent event?
- Francine Hardaway
There is a .zip file
- Francine Hardaway
I have 2500 contacts and many of them are dead. I don't have either of your addresses
- Francine Hardaway
Mike is whiteknight / blacknight depends on context
- clive boulton
"Opening up" and other such nonsense is something companies do when they're on the way down, not on the way up.
- Michael Breslin
Getting your data out of FB doesn't mean you have privacy. It just means you have the right to get your data out.
- Karoli
crash
- Yann Ropars
I lost the feed
- Francine Hardaway
sigh.
- Karoli
bumped
- Arnie Klaus
Drilled down too deep
- Ian McGee
Off Air
- Yann Ropars
Sorry. We will restart feed
- Robert Scoble
we lost ya gang
- Dale Lature
Give us a couple of minutes.
- Robert Scoble
We are still on, YouStream burped.
- Robert Scoble
I still don't know how to get my info out of FB with the zip file
- Francine Hardaway
Gang went bye bye
- Missy Ward
want to bring me in too?
- Kevin Marks
Yeah, Missy, hang out.
- Robert Scoble
We'll be back online shortly. Hopefully. YouStream went down.
- Robert Scoble
I want Kevin on
- Francine Hardaway
lost ourstream. Working on it now. Standby folks!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Francine I have my FB data zip being prepared it says; waiting on an email.
- Ian McGee
How did you start the process?
- Francine Hardaway
"Download your information"
- Ian McGee
Francine, go to your account https://register.facebook.com/editacc... and click download
- Kevin Marks
thx Ian I will be in HMB 12/2-6 Coffee?
- Francine Hardaway
Arrington water turned back on and out goes the Ustream...
- clive boulton
Thanks all. Getting it done. Just in case they start charging for FB:-)Or I start hating it.
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: coffee sounds great; I'll shoot you a note
- Ian McGee
Put my FB data into Myspace yesterday and got back disgusting stuff aka "customized content"
- Francine Hardaway
Got the feed back
- Francine Hardaway
Well... Company vs. personal data?
- Ian McGee
no...a right-wing radio station on AM radio? say it isn't so.
- Karoli
privacy for public conversations?
- Karoli
this was for a job with the police dept?
- Karoli
So? Unconstitutional means nothing to most people
- Francine Hardaway
lol, Steve.
- Karoli
http://goo.gl/jrDZm (usatoday.com) link to police employers asking for social networking passwords
- Michael Breslin
So now you are playing soccer in your living room Robert?
- Francine Hardaway
Yeah.
- Robert Scoble
MS games division might survive on its own...
- Ian McGee
sorry...but no kid of mine is taking a day off school to play videogames.
- Karoli
My 70-year old father is on board with the same feeling about iPhone -- hasn't seen my Samsung Epic though ;-)
- Missy Ward
Like the intensity on new inventions
- clive boulton
iPhone is cross-generational
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert have you tried the video conferencing? Saw a note somewhere it was impressive...
- Ian McGee
Tina, it totally is. I gave my mom and daughter one. both love it.
- Karoli
The point isn't affordable to the consumer, the point is can some random inventor with a great idea afford to implement it.
- Michael Breslin
I hsve one, daughter has one, grandson (2) has one:-)
- Francine Hardaway
michael, ain't that the truth.
- Karoli
holodeck conferencing - want!
- clive boulton
Costco is sold out of Kinect.
- Francine Hardaway
Sports games lack the most important feature of sports, gravity.
- Michael Breslin
such a disconnect between video games and reality. everything resolved in games...not so much in reality.
- Karoli
you need the web cam behind the screen...
- Kevin Marks
lol!!!! guess Loic will know now.
- Karoli
ok you guys.... what about Twitter ranking algorithm mention @ev did.... what are you thoughts there?
- Yann Ropars
down, down, down the rabbit hole.
- Karoli
Wwwwwhhhhhhhheeeeeeeee.
- Robert Scoble
stream went down.
- Kathleen Hassinger
stream still up
- Yann Ropars
the video was great
- Jerome Hughes
Parody is a fair use defence
- Kevin Marks
AC/DC still not on iTunes :(
- Missy Ward
Twitter ranking algo
- Yann Ropars
The concert in Washington is the best punk rock!
- Arnie Klaus
Walmart has it. just bought it online
- Francine Hardaway
I'd like to know if running track on half the firehose is useful?
- Michael Breslin
my data isn't unique to twitter anyway. redundancies, FTW.
- Karoli
Missy: that sucks. AC/DC rocks.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: depends on the half. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Michael Breslin, it depends on whether it's the right-wing half or the left-wing half. :D
- Karoli
double zing
- Michael Breslin
So now I have an XBox 360 with Kinect. Why?
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: so we can ski together. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You just paid 150$ to dance, or pretend to ski, try to forget you could have done those things for free.
- Michael Breslin
Michael +10
- Karoli
Michael: heh.
- Robert Scoble
gnip services for non-display 3rd party apps
- Jerome Hughes
No, I paid $388 because I didn't have an XBox.
- Francine Hardaway
But I am sure my kids and friends and I will love it with a good red wine
- Francine Hardaway
better resolution in meatspace
- Jerome Hughes
Right Arrington. There are too many photosharing apps. All the gurus on Quora are wrong
- Francine Hardaway
angry birds is about the extent of my gaming interest.
- Karoli
Path is ridiculous
- Francine Hardaway
Useless
- Francine Hardaway
Wait! I am a normal person
- Francine Hardaway
Path went down the rabbit hole!
- clive boulton
The best part of kinect for me is navigating the xbox menus by waiving my hands.
- Michael Breslin
I agree on instagr.am too!
- Missy Ward
Karoli I can't get through Level i of Angry Birds, which is why I want to play soccer aned dance
- Francine Hardaway
Francine I'll help with Angry birds when you get here. You can dance at Peets. ;-)
- Ian McGee
bye everyone...
- Karoli
I do that without an XBox Ian
- Francine Hardaway
Good luck with your water mike!
- Michael Breslin
Reading comments on his posts is painful, but I can't seem to look away.
- coldbrew
hey, i'll write. LOL...
- Karoli
Quit taking video and you won't be so swamped
- Francine Hardaway
THis is like Leo laPorte, where you never know when the show has gone aoff the air
- Francine Hardaway
Not sure it ever really ends...
- Ian McGee
Thanks, we're outta here.
- Robert Scoble
I really think Path went down a bad path.
- Robert Scoble
Path's App is inversely proportional to the view from Path HQ
- clive boulton
Still haven't received my Facebook zip. Struck out trying to find a way to download Gmail/Buzz though.
- Ian McGee
Google Points At WebFinger. Your Gmail Address Could Soon Be Your ID. - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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"It’s taking something everyone knows on the web (your email address) and making it immensely more valuable as a way to identify yourself and information about you. Exactly what kind of information? Here are some of the ideas from the WebFinger Google Code page: * public profile data * pointer to identity provider (e.g. OpenID server) * a public key * other services used by that email address (e.g. Flickr, Picasa, Smugmug, Twitter, Facebook, and usernames for each) * a URL to an avatar * profile data (nickname, full name, etc) * whether the email address is also a JID, or explicitly declare that it’s NOT an email, and ONLY a JID, or any combination to disambiguate all the addresses that look like something@somewhere.com * or even a public declaration that the email address doesn’t have public metadata, but has a pointer to an endpoint that, provided authentication, will tell you some protected metadata, depending on who you authenticate as."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
I don't want my contact information to be my identifier. I shouldn't have to give a website my email address, just like I shouldn't have to give a store my phone number.
- Daniel Sims
Daniel, I think it just takes the form of an email address, but does not in fact have to be one (or could be a "throw away" account).
- Paul Buchheit
It would be cool if we could get our act together (as an industry) and make this stuff happen. I'd also like to see ENUM deployed to the point that my phone number can be linked to my identity. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...)
- Joe Beda
This is a bad idea in so many ways I can't even begin to list them.
- April Russo
If a site wants my email address, it's probably in order to spam me. It's usually a bad sign. If legit sites ask for my email more, it will make it harder to identify the spammers.
- Tim Tyler
Do gmail users seriously still have problems with spam? I don't.
- Robin Barooah
Personally this sounds great - as long as it really doesn't force you to use your actual gmail address.
- Robin Barooah
I loved finger.
- j1m
Does this mean I can have a .plan again?
- Benjamin Lee
Sounds like the .plan which is (again) accessed via an id in email format and returns different information/metadata about a person depending on who's accessing it. Email id is used to do a DNS lookup in order to discover URL for the XRD file (accessed with a HTTP GET) containing the metadata about the person being, er, WebFinger-ed.
- Nenad Nikolic
it is like user authenticating, having two three ids won't hurt ;) well i don't want to be identified, they are going same as gravatar
- testbeta
It's so curious to me that people have concerns that WebFinger would lead to more spam, and yet don't like the "format" of URLs for IDs. Personally, as far as OpenID is concerned, I don't care what the identifier looks like as long as people can remember it — typically email seems easier to recall than URLs (for most people in today's world).
- Chris Messina
Some users who have an email account with Google, myself included, have oodles of incoming mail both standard and secure so it fits the bill to increase security for both vendors and marketers.
- frank burns
I have no problem with the idea, but it seems to me that it won't help the current state of affairs much. The kind of information I'd be interested in sharing via Webfinger (my OpenID, a URL to a FOAF file, etc.) will have no better adoption, so the Webfinger configuration doesn't buy me much. I'll hold out hopes that after a couple tight integrations between Webfinger and OpenID providers (say if Google, Microsoft and/or Yahoo provided and consumed both) things will improve ... here's to hoping :(
- J. McConnell
Years ago I experimented with FOAF. I didn't fully understand nor appreciate what I was doing. To serve as a warning, if you take this example, ensure that it is blocked. #Example: I sent a file to Adobe which in turn, was sent to another email account I had at the time. I verified it's sender (ME) and sent it back in the direction of travel. A signed FOAF (API KEY) was then returned...
more...
- frank burns
I love it when super secret meetings of geeks happen & while none of them are willing to check in, they all seem to Tweet they're together
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Fools...
- Louis Gray
And then there are those that don't Tweet anything at all...
- Jesse Stay
There is no Fight Club.
- Louis Gray
Super secret meetings happen in the Underground Laboratory, anyway. There is no 3G coverage there, but they're working on it.
- DGentry
Supersecret? In this era?
- Francine Hardaway
RT @thatdrew: Rumors are true. Round 2: Your Twitter name tattooed on me. Bid using the tag #twittertattoo - blog post coming. cc: @livestrong
Francine Hardaway liked this
The drill instructors had a field day with my last name. I nearly collapsed during PT, lots of yelling!!! http://twitpic.com/17rabk
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Francine Hardaway liked this
why block apps when an iphone has a WEB BROWSER built in? #confused
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the goal isn't to protect delicate and politically sensitive eyes from sex. It's to avoid a randy brand.
- Michael Markman
a Randy brand. sounds like a comic character.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
iPad = FAIL!!! Hah - I just wanted to be the first to say it! :-) #ipad
Francine Hardaway liked this
Shop Local vs Shop Local Get the Picture? - http://derekneighbors.com/2010...
Francine Hardaway liked this
wow. this @ambercadabra post about social media measurement blows me away - http://altitudebranding.com/2010... - great comprehensive insight!
Christine Taylor and Francine Hardaway liked this
The Buzzword Social Media Is DOA In 2010 - http://thefuturebuzz.com/2009...
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Thank God for that.
- Karoli
Matthew and Sarah caught drinking and driving on Christmas morning, at Grandma's.
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Thank goodness all the police aren't enforcing this stuff on a holiday, right?
- Louis Gray
Those outfits are great!
- Beau Liening
The cars are a gift from my mother in law. (Their grandma)
- Louis Gray
They are so cute!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I just pointed to these pictures and told my 27 year old daughter that this is what I'm asking Santa for next year. She says, a toy car? I say no. Grandkids! She slapped my arm and told me to bite my tongue. :)
- Dawn
They're headin' straight for us!
- Josh Haley
Sarah can't see the road in the first picture! She's tipping the bottle up so high.
- Rochelle
At least Matthew is ready to call 911. :D
- Yolanda
Wonder what their fine will be? Lovely pictures.
- Technogran
Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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Will start in a few minutes, I'm hanging out waiting for the usual Skype call. I will have a ton of different hats on today's show.
- Robert Scoble
let the games begin
- Vezquex
First hat will be a google one. Let's see if Gillmor can get me to put on the Silverlight one.
- Robert Scoble
dividing attention between this and health care debate. It could be an interesting exercise.
- Karoli
Karoli: cool, one conversation is important. You figure out which one. :-)
- Robert Scoble
i never did like silverlight
- Chris Jackson
You have actual hats?
- Vezquex
Yes. Lots of hats.
- Robert Scoble
I heard you were handed your hat a few times last night ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
a few, yes
- Robert Scoble
and it begins
- michael sean wright
we are on!
- Robert Scoble
Dan Farber of CBS News.
- Robert Scoble
comcast merger, anyone?
- Karoli
Squeeee! Doc's back...been way too long.
- Karoli
I have one of those Google caps.
- Vezquex
I'm sure that Google knowing every time anybody on the internet visits any other site has nothing to do with it, right?
- Ken Sheppardson
Great for Analytics.
- Vezquex
i.e. inserting themselves (potentially) into every client->server connection process
- Ken Sheppardson
it's not just delivery, it's content control.
- Karoli
Adds a new spin to the net neutrality argument
- Ken Sheppardson
robert, comcast might not want you to use bing. they might want you to only use yahoo.
- Karoli
More media consolidation in the hands of fewer and fewer corporations is always a good thing
- Gregg H.
Dan Farber, Doc Searls, Scoble and Marks on today's Gillmor Gang: Live Now - http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
It's also interesting in the context of the fact DirecTV viewers no longer get the Versus sports network, as they couldn't negoiate a deal with Comcast
- Ken Sheppardson
ask Al Gore how he feels about their negotiations re: Current TV
- Karoli
and Versus carries a lot of the niche or edge sporting events
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
great point, Doc.
- Karoli
Comcast is very aggressive in keeping out local competitors - they have bought every local cable company or forced them out. They have locked out all local sporting events
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Yeah, here in San Francisco we couldn't get the Stanford/Cal game this fall... it was on Versus. And it means no daily, live Tour de France coverage next July :-(
- Ken Sheppardson
It was "rooter" before people started to mispronounce it.
- Gregg H.
I wonder what this means for their TV On Demand section - currently NBC is not listed for any shows and CBS is very big in that list. Will this change and now NBC will only be On Demand? Will Hulu now be a Comcast Cable only site?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
The Network has changed to the point that combining cable + tv production can't corner the market in anything.
- Cliff Gerrish
consolidation of power and message control
- Karoli
cliff, they own the network.
- Karoli
Messages can be sent from any node.
- Cliff Gerrish
cliff, if i have no access to nbc news because i'm not a comcast subscriber, the messages aren't especially helpful.
- Karoli
Don't you have access to NBC news via the network?
- Cliff Gerrish
cliff - they already "load balance" based on where/when you are streaming from/to - so now what's to prevent them from load balancing all ABC/CBS sites in favour of NBC?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Cliff, will I continue to?
- Karoli
@Karoli - Comcast/NBC will become an out of network network :)
- Rob La Gesse
I am sitting at lunch with a Silverlight guy:-)
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Video feed is fine.
- Rob La Gesse
video is fine here
- Chris Jackson
Comcast is on to yous guys
- Vezquex
There's no need to fear silverlight. It will die quickly. HTML 5 will make sure of that.
- Gregg H.
Mixing Content and Conduit is always a bad business idea
- Stephen Pickering
Michael Arrington just joined the Gillmor Gang: Live now at http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
Tradeoff? Silverlight is a 15 second install...
- Rob La Gesse
silverlight will go the way of google gears
- Chris Jackson
Gregg, I'll only believe that when we have the Olympics streamed live in HTML5.
- Vezquex
NetFlix watch instantly is a nice example of Silverlight -- this relates to the Comcast deal.
- Cliff Gerrish
Google Gears didn't DO anything - Silverlight does.
- Rob La Gesse
I think all this stuff is inevitable. do we still need cable? or broadcast? for how long?
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Vezquex, you'll see it
- Gregg H.
Francine, the argument against the acquistion is that they'll control the Network. They won't.
- Cliff Gerrish
That's a good question - will Comcast/NBC still allow Netflix/Mediafly content to be streamed at full speed or will it become traffic shaped
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
you mean will the net be.. you know... neutral?
- Ken Sheppardson
Google will spank properties that throttle - that alone will keep them playing fair.
- Rob La Gesse
All proprietary un-free software and platforms will lose in the long run.
- Gregg H.
Windows is dog slow on good rigs, whereas Chrome OS is fast even on weak hardware.
- Vezquex
Cliff, they already do. If I am watching a streaming video for more than 5 minutes I get traffic shaped. If i'm watching Comcast On Demand I do not. Will Hulu now be traffic shaped or will it get a pass? That what will be the clue if they are acting in a network neutral manner
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
CrunchPad update?
- Ken Sheppardson
that's what i'm waiting for - CrunchPad questions
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
what's traffic shaped
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Silverlight adjusts to the speed of the bandwidth...
- Cliff Gerrish
scoble - diet coke is bad.....
- Chris Jackson
Francine - it is basically throttling of your bandwidth based on content and/or destination
- Rob La Gesse
Francine - if i'm streaming a video on Comcast the first 5 or so minutes are at my full bandwidth capability (15mbs) but if I continue past that point the speed of the video drops to less than 1mbs
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
But Silverlight is from Microsoft. How can it be good?
- Vezquex
See Moonlight + Mono....
- Cliff Gerrish
Amazing Silverlight is actually seeing some traction. Developer Cuz predicted it would 2 years ago.
- JimmyJet
When Google switches Youtube videos to Ogg Theora natively palyabe in HTML 5 Browsers I think Gillmor and others that deride the importance of free software codecs and platforms will have a revelation
- Gregg H.
bah - I have to run an errand - I wish the video show could be viewed later
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
wish those questions had been asked in 2001
- Karoli
Bear - it can - they are always posted on building43.com a few days later.
- Rob La Gesse
Gillmor Gang is available on YouTube - your DVR of choice...
- Cliff Gerrish
google'll be using h264 and html5 video before any os codec
- Kevin Marks
Silverlight is as un-free as you can get.
- Gregg H.
oh snap! I had no clue - thanks rob and cliff
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Silverlight is every bit as free as Google Search
- Rob La Gesse
Silverlight is free (as in beer).
- Vezquex
Mike is trying to open one of those un-openable plastic wrapped packages - I feel for you, Mike!
- Rob La Gesse
be careful Mike, sharp edges on that package.
- michael sean wright
scissors help, Mike.
- Karoli
lol, karoli.
- Hilary Talbot
Ubuntu netbook remix
- Vezquex
Mike - use a hand grenade, Those suckers are tough!
- Rob La Gesse
seriously, take a pair of scissors and cut it. It works. surgically, even.
- Karoli
Is locked down linux an open system?
- Cliff Gerrish
The importance of the use of our computer devices in our lives are fundamental. That's why the software and hardware has to be free. Otherwise we don't control our lives. The software and hardware providers control our lives. That's the problem Steve.
- Gregg H.
But you need a real computer to debug anything. You couldn't actually debug from within Chrome OS.
- Vezquex
Is ChromeOS going to give you access to the command line?
- Cliff Gerrish
Gregg - that's crazy. As crazy as "free" healthcare.
- Rob La Gesse
strange disconnect between these guys talking about high tech and Mike opening a plastic insane package with his teeth.
- Karoli
"free" as in freedom
- Gregg H.
CromiumOS is free
- Gregg H.
Rob, "free" as in accessible to all but a few elite.
- Karoli
Freedom isn't free - far from it.
- Rob La Gesse
free as in kittens
- Kevin Marks
The importance of the use of cars, homes, electricity and food in our lives are fundamental. That's why cars, homes, electricity and food has to be free. Otherwise we don't control our lives. [oh, "free" free]
- Ken Sheppardson
Chromium is NOT free. I pay for it with my attention and my gestures - and Google profits off both.
- Rob La Gesse
free as in radical
- Ken Sheppardson
"opening a plastic insane package with his teeth" Either a good way to take out aggression or raise blood pressure, take your choice.
- JimmyJet
the livestream from SuperNova has been great. Good panels and very good discussions.
- Jerry Schuman
If we understand that phones are going to the Network -- why don't we see that television is going there as well.
- Cliff Gerrish
Aside from a philosophical view. After being Windows free for 2 years and being free of malware, spyware, adware, and not having to run virus scan software and all that crap, I really don't understand why people like Gillmor think Linux is second class to Windows. I would never want the pain and horrible experience of using Windows again purely for practical reasons.
- Gregg H.
Gregg, I understand Windows 7 is quite nice. I'm planning to buy a cheap Windows 7 notebook as a backup machine.
- Karoli
Right CLiff.
- Francine Hardaway
Right. I have both GV, Vonage and Ribbit, and I have one phone number. It's my cell phone
- Francine Hardaway
we just went off air
- Jerry Schuman
off air?
- Vezquex
oops, looks like we lost the feed.
- Karoli
lost it....
- Chris Jackson
Back shortly
- Cliff Gerrish
Windows 7 rocks.
- Robert Scoble
oops - who tripped over the cord?
- Rob La Gesse
it's back
- Ken Sheppardson
hit refresh
- Jerry Schuman
We know we're off the air. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
You're not :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
o - is steve G. running this on a win 7 box??
- Chris Jackson
We should be back now.
- Robert Scoble
get the tricaster a cooling fan stat
- Brian Hendrickson
off again
- Jerry Schuman
the conversation never stopped on our side, though.
- Robert Scoble
sad
- Vezquex
Something is wacky. My video has sucked the whole time.
- Robert Scoble
We are recording this, though, and will have the whole thing up.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not getting a feed.
- Francine Hardaway
Please don't make me watch the Hummingbird Nest Cam.
- michael sean wright
Want to know if Michael gets that Magic Jack package open.
- JimmyJet
Shouldve used Justin.tv & Google Video Chat ahead of FF
- A.Karriem A. Khan
it's back
- Vezquex
You guys should talk a bit about Status.net, formerly Laconi.ca. Evan Proudomu just got over $1 Mil in VC. It could wind up being a very viable free federated decentralized competitor to Twitter.
- Gregg H.
FF is good for importing to gmail & DataMining yourself AUTOMAGICALLY , Like TwitCloud http://www.building43.com/realtim...
- A.Karriem A. Khan
Gregg: yeah, that will come up soon. Evan blocked me though. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Tell Doc I said hi
- Jesse Stay
Robert. I would love to see an interview with Status.net guys on Building43
- Gregg H.
Hi Doc and Dan and Robert...travel safely, all! thanks for the show. :)
- Karoli
Thanks, we'll see what we can do regarding status.net.
- Robert Scoble
Cool
- Gregg H.
The lost art of constructive criticism - http://saint-rebel.com/2009...
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I like it.
- Tyler Hurst
OH: "I needed to be close and cross my legs, so now I have this awkward pole in the middle." @jamesarcher
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If all @Google's major innovations came from 20% time, why not give everybody 5 different 20% projects and wait for the magic to happen?
Cem Ozkaynak, Tony Ruscoe, Hutch Carpenter and 17 other people liked this
/hangs up logic hat on rack and retires.
- Louis Gray
If all the tasty stuff of a cake comes from the sugar, why not use all sugar and no flour, eggs, or milk? ;-)
- Amit Patel
Amit the chemist, ladies and gentlemen.
- Josh Haley
Because then no one would be on FriendFeed :-P
- Jesse Stay
Because the inspiration often comes from the perspiration of the 80% work. Most people are not able to be inspired 100% of the time, though there are a few at Google who are.
- no name
Now how many people thought I was 100% serious on this question instead of just 20%? I'm getting a lot of 100% answers.
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed?
- Jesse Stay
Twitter?
- Jesse Stay
Is "innovation" the emergence of new competitors from that time? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Maybe Google should give all of their employees 100 1% projects. Then they'd really have a bunch of new ideas. One exception, though; one person gets stuck modifying Gmail to let you see your mail in an unthreaded date plus time received order.
- Sue - Friendfeed is best
The all sugar cake is not only sweet and tasty; a big tablespoonful of it swallowed quickly, at the right time, often cures hiccups.
- Sue - Friendfeed is best
LOL
- Thomas Power
I'd bet there are plenty of people at Google who do work this way.
- Kevin Gamble
Facebook, MySpace Divide Along Social Lines : NPR - http://www.npr.org/templat...
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"Social media researcher Danah Boyd has heard a lot of conversations just like this. In her work for Microsoft she's spoken to teens all over the country about their use of social media. She thinks the online social world is dividing up, just like the real world."
- Ken Sheppardson
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Today is Father's Day here in Australia... No matter how many socks and undies I will ever get from her, she is the BEST.PRESENT.EVER...
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She rocks my world... 3 years and counting
- Johnny
:D Happy Fathers Day to you then
- Simon Wicks
Happy Fathers day ,,,enjoy
- Johni Fisher
happy father's day, Johnny!
- Bren
Best to you, Johnny my boy!! <3 Georgia's got a pretty good one. :)
- Derrick
Happy Fathers Day, Johnny, each year my princess gives me a beautiful photo of herself, an awesome hand-crafted card and if I've been really good . . . a block of chocolate . . . I thank god that some one loves me . . .
- Chris Loft
Happy Father's Day, Johnny!
- Anne Bouey
Happy Father's Day, Mr. Worthington!
- The LB: #TeamMonique
HAPPY FATHER'S DAY BRO! Georgia's a keeper! Rachael, too!
- Josh Haley
Happy Father's Day, Johnny! Georgia's very lucky to have you as her dad.
- Ayşe E.
Cute pics. Perfect example of how to use FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Happy Father's Day to you Johnny :D xx
- Penny
Have a great day, Mr Worthington - Happy Father's Day :)
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
I LOVE that first picture. You are beaming. :D Happy Father's Day to you, sir!!
- Lindsay
Happy Father's Day down there. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Happy Father's Day! :)
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Happy Fathers Day.. Those are the brain clearing images I was talking about.. Non Hasselhoff.. Thanks!!
- Chris Myles
happy father's day Johnny \m/
- metalerik
Dad-to-dad, beard-to-beard: Happiest Father's Day, Johnny!
- Micah
Happy Father's Day from the West Coast of teh United States. I hear what you're saying and agree: my daughter is 3y 4mo and is, like yours, the BEST. PRESENT. EVER.
- Michael