"Yeah, same here. A 1mbps download pipe is clearly inadequate for 1080p streaming. I never even watched the previously available "HQ" videos on Youtube. It just takes too long."
- Haris bin Ali
I mean, okay, adultery is douchey, but not death penalty douchey.
- Brian Chang
But what's worse is that his pregnant girlfriend is to be stoned to death as well (what was her "crime"?).
- Tanath
Yeah, I guess we don't really know if she was a knowing participant in his adultery. Not that it would warrant being stoned to death in any event.
- Brian Chang
Obviously the "adultery" in question is between this Hussein dude and his girlfriend. How can she not be a knowing participant?
- Haris bin Ali
At first, I was thinking the adultery was that he cheated on her, but then I realized that they also consider any sex outside of marriage to be adultery. If he had cheated though, then she'd have nothing to do with his adultery and it would be all the more absurd. I've seen news reports of them doing that kind of thing though.
- Tanath
It's very thoughtful of them to let the baby live before killing both its parents.
- Edward Zwart
This is why console gamers can go SAF: you're ruining real PC games. Before you console juggalos came along, we never had to 'unlock' new areas or earn 'achievements'. Now PC games are bottlenecked by your console's weak hardware specs and game control is dumbed down to suit your limited, knobby, little controllers.
Another complaint: console gamers don't care about immersion so console games don't bother which is why console UIs are always so 'game-y'. Dragon Age is really fun but the UI might as well be the front panel of a microwave for how evocative and related it is to the setting of the game itself.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@Amber, you can pretty much just drop a $150 nvidia or ATI card in any PC with a PCI-express slot and enough RAM, done deal. cheaper than a console since you already have the PC - and if you don't mind lower resolutions or visual quality you could go down to $75 instead
- mjc
Don't already have the PC to do that. Haven't you heard my crappy computer rants already? It was just cheaper to get a hold of the console.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Hahahaha...This rant is so funny. Microsoft comes up with one of the best ideas in gaming in a long time (unified achievements) and you pooh pooh it? Hilarious...Why not diss the steering wheel while you are at it. PC vs console gaming is a no-brainer for me...can't do PC gaming on my 55" TV.
- Alex Scoble
I think the controls are fine. You can use mouse-only or a combo of keyboard/mouse. The interface is MMORPG-like so blame WoW for that. Some games on PC's aren't as immersive due to the controls. There's no equivalent controls on the PC to moving the sticks to change the pace of running/walking/sneaking.
- Rodfather
I would have to disagree. I hate PC gaming, I just can't use the controls on a keyboard. I'm an old Nintendo-Atari-Sega guy. Last game I played on a PC was a DOS game called Prince of Persia. It just isn't the same without my Playstation 3 and my 47 inch HD television.
- Faraz Mullick
Alex, why can't you do PC gaming on your 55" TV? My ancient 42" Sceptre 1080P TV accepts VGA... been gaming on it for 4 years now. I prefer my 22" IPN panel Del monitor to it though.
- Adrian
Home theater PCs are either expensive or underpowered...You can't put a regular PC in a home theater...they are way too loud. And personally, I find console gaming to be much more seemless, and way more immersive...oh and Xbox 360 Achievements are awesomesauce. In short, I completely disagree with Akiva.
- Alex Scoble
I loved gaming on a PC (keyboard + mouse FTW) but I could never justify the costs keeping up with the hardware. I feel like I get my money's worth out of my PS3 (and Xbox 1) before that.
- Matt Mastracci
I do agree somewhat console gaming ruining PC gaming. The interface for Fallout 3 PC was basically the same as the console. Such a pain.
- Rodfather
LOL, I still use the all-aluminum Lian Li case I've had for 6 years or so. I've managed to stuff a Core i7 into it. It's fairly quiet but the aluminum cases are not as quiet as a dedicated HTPC case. Frankly doesn't bother me. Mouse / keyboard is still the control paradigm to beat (except in racing / flying / platform games of course).
- Adrian
Consoles should natively support keyboard/mouse gaming for every game. If you can't beat that with a controller, buy a keyboard and mouse. ;)
- Matt Mastracci
I agree with Matt, I can't justify regular hardware upgrades any more. Not to mention having to deal with windows, which i hate. It wasn't that long ago that was on the console-bashing bandwagon, but the games and consoles have come a LONG way.
- dthree
Mass Effect would have been a much better game had it been designed ground up for the PC.
- Adrian
I've never really been a fan of BioWare RPG's. I still think the best were PC RPG's with an isometric view. Fallout 1&2 for example. Dragon Age seems ok so far.
- Rodfather
I play both console games and PC games, though I'm not really a big gamer. I don't really feel like game play is dumbed down or like I'm an idiot for playing console games, but whatever. I'm really commenting to say that I play PC games on my television all the time. In fact, my PC is broken so everything I do on a PC I do on the 'family' one hooked up to the television. We have an I7...
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- joey
It bothers me that media PCs or consoles are in the living room. I would have thought we'd all be using rack-mounted hardware in media closets by now. :( It sucks to have piles of boxes hooked up to a TV with spaghetti wires all over the place. Clearly some companies are missing opportunities. Console controls should work equally well with PCs, and they should all be RF.
- Cristo
Cristo, you're welcome to come set up a media closet for me :)
- joey
joey, I would do it. Unfortunately it's still really, really hard. I'm still trying to figure it all out.
- Cristo
To this day can't play any sort of first person shooter on the consoles. The controls are just no match compared to keyboard / mouse combo that I've had years upon years of experience on. That's sadly all I can contribute to this discussion.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Oh, PC gaming. How I remember the love that I felt for you when realising that even though I was well above "minimum spec", the new game still ran like a turd in treacle. The discovery that I would need to update pretty much everything in order to just support the graphics card and RAM upgrades just made things even sweeter. And -oh!- all those commands to remember! Thank $DEITY I have...
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- Andy Bold
Alex, your argument is voided by your use of the word 'awesomesauce'.
- Akiva Moskovitz
from BuddyFeed
I don't hate consoles, but they hold nothing to the graphics of a PC. ;)
- Spencer
Also, I've yet to see any proper refutation of my points. The fact that not one of you has refuted being called a juggalo is seriously concerning.
- Akiva Moskovitz
from BuddyFeed
i cant afford buying the best of the best when it comes to pcs. sure, the console systems are not as flashy but i still enjoy them for what they are, mind you, i have a soft spot for old SNES games, so...... mind you i play WoW . those kinda games are hard to replicate on a console machine. BUT. WoW doesnt require HUUUGEE processing power to play. i think that's the trick with pc games. make more games that don't require lots of hardware to enjoy. remember the good ol fun days of the lucasarts adventures??
- Terry O'Fee
Hey, did you guys have fun modding Fallout 3? Oh, wait, you can't! You're on a console. Oops, sorry!
- Akiva Moskovitz
from BuddyFeed
mind u, im not much of a fan of these ipod touch/iphone versions of games coming out these days. playing doom with a touchscreen just looks silly :P
- Terry O'Fee
I game to enjoy myself. PC gaming is a chore - you have to build a PC, maintain it, patch it, defrag it, buy new hardware for it, run anti-malware on it, etc. Consoles are simple: put a disc in, and enjoy playing a game. I don't want to mod, I don't want to brag about headshots, I certainly don't want to play online with a bunch of assholes. I just want to play a game. Consoles are WAY better at this simplified experience.
- Sparky
Sparky, are you still living in 1999? I don't have to maintain a PC, patch it, defrag it, or run anti-malware on it. I just boot up, slip the disc in, and go. It's zero maintenance, zero fuss. Perhaps this could be because it's a MacPro and I do nothing on the PC side except play games but even when before I bought the MacPro, I haven't had a need to perform serious maintenance or even...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
The absence of Madden on the PC is what finally pushed me over the edge to pick up an Xbox. It sorta seems to me like PC and console are *almost* complementary: I can't for the life of me play an FPS with a controller, but there are all kinds of "family"/kids games I've never think of buying on a PC, and live head-to-head sports on the big screen TV just isn't very PC friendly. I'll take both, thanks. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I'll respectfully disagree; I don't miss the "buy a new game/upgrade your hardware" cycle -since purchasing my Xbox360, I haven't had to purchase and install the latest, greatest video card, or add more memory to my console in order to enjoy the latest, greatest games. Personally, I think Achievements are a nice way to mark and track progress through a game, and I admit, I've become addicted to hearing the "Achievement Unlocked" sound as I'm playing through a game.
- Andrew Terry
Achievements are the Satan of video gaming. It made me quit WoW. I couldn't walk anywhere or open any door without fucking alarms and popups and crazy shit "YOU HAVE OPENED YOUR 5,406 DOOR?!
- Matthew DeVries
Akiva - you just made a point by stating that you use a Mac Pro for gaming. That's a $3000 machine vs. a $200 Xbox 360. It's a machine you have to deal with, install, run updates on, etc.
- Sparky
You all know this topic is a religious war, no one wins, and you leave scorched earth in your wake? Just checkin'.
- Ed Millard
I'm a life long PC gamer, and I love them but they are pretty flawed. The constant push for more gear is certainly a flaw, also leads to rich gamer advantage. The push for stunning visuals is bad too and seems to afflict all platforms. They end up shorting game play, and driving up game costs. I still love and play ugly Battlefield2 but the cheats you have on PC's seriously damage it. I have a PS3 IBM gave me with Madden 2010 but I just don't like. Football is not a game designed for computers.
- Ed Millard
I could almost see playing football on a computer if you had 22 people playing. It would probably be chaos in practice though. If you actually had a team of 11 people who practiced and worked together and played competitively against other teams like that it might be really interesting.
- Ed Millard
I play with consoles these days mostly, but I have nothing against PC gaming when the hardware is up to date. I wouldn't blame the consoles for dumbing down the games. I guess the reason is money: console games aren't pirated as much so releasing/optimizing for them first makes sense business-wise. About achievements: if they are reasonable, they encourage me to play more. For example, they motivated me to play more Fallout 3 than I otherwise would have played.
- Jemm
from fftogo
Sparky, well, I failed to mention the fact that I have a gaming PC here that I built out several years ago that would trounce my MacPro in gaming. Only reason why I use the MacPro for gaming at all is because I want to play on my 24" LED Cinema Display rather than my years-old 22" Samsung LCD. And that old machine required no maintenance at all: again, the days of XP and FAT are gone;...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
Ed, you're right, this is a religious war that no one can win. It's also trollish comment-bait. Occasionally, I like to rile up the natives (and by occasionally, I pretty much mean daily).
- Akiva Moskovitz
Ed, you do make a good point, though: I don't want to sacrifice game quality just for stunning visuals. However, at least on the PC, you have the option for stunning visuals. Because of consoles, the cutting edge of gaming has been seriously dulled. A good example of this tug-of-war is Oblivion which was clearly console-oriented game but also had ground-breaking graphics at the time....
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- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I figured, LOL. Nothing wrong with that. Religious wars are always entertaining to watch at least up until the crucifixions start, and some people are even in to those.
- Ed Millard
As a proof that it isn't always about pretty graphics, I offer this challenge: as soon as you can play a game like Hearts of Iron III on a console, I'll buy in wholesale. But as long as consoles promote arcade-style play (and I mean arcade in the sense of simple gameplay as well as in the traditional sense of playing to earn prizes/achievements) as well as bottleneck PC gaming, I'll be...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, the fact that you used the word 'juggalo' was my favourite part of the post. How could I refute that? My 'juggalo name' is Cutty the Clown, by the way.
- joey
joey, hm, I wonder what my juggalo name would be.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Stunning visuals are expensive to develop. They are great for the immersion, but me I like games for strategy, tactics and competition. The visuals don't add anything to that. Seems to me like too many companies are marketing games just based on "stunning visuals" because they've run out of ideas for the actual game, and too many players fall for it.
- Ed Millard
Akiva, not sure consoles are exactly crippling PC gaming. As others have suggested the PC's openness is its own worst enemy. Not sure "piracy" is entirely it but it is certainly rampant and is punishing developers. For multiplayer games the cheating you have on PC's is really killing them, it sure hammers BF2 and Call of Duty. Not sure how rampant it is on consoles but I assume its either a lot less to non existent.
- Ed Millard
Okay, let me make this easy for all of you: if you agree with me, you're right; if you disagree with me, you're wrong Wrong WRONG!@@@@@@@@@@@@!@#!!!
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm willing to let Akiva have his Alex Scoble moment.. just because
- Rodfather
Every once in awhile, the hero should enjoy the exploits of his sidekick.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Back to the very first response from Amber, I'm not stupid, I just can't afford to get a PC that can handle full-blown games yet. Maybe I'll reach that level when I replace my circa 2003 HP Pavilion that barely works. And sort of like what joey said, I'm not a very serious gamer, anyway, and I don't think I'm an idiot for using a console. Perhaps some people are, but I'm not. All I have...
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- Kamilah Gill
OK, I think Akiva just had the Nero, "Crucify all the console gamers" moment....
- Ed Millard
Kamilah: Here I am with a system from 2003, with a crappy video card, 1GB RAM, and a single-core P4. And yet I can play lots of great, full games on it. Cost is an excuse.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Chris, my computer has just gotten hopelessly full of stuff that slows it down. I defrag it, run virus detectors, etc. and it just acts really stupid all the time. I might get it to function well enough if I go through and painstakingly clean out everything in it, but I don't think it's worth the effort. I just need to start over with a clean slate.
- Kamilah Gill
Console FTW because (1) I refuse to run Windows and (2) I refuse to upgrade my PC every 6-12 months. That said, game developers need to realize that we can plug in a keyboard and mouse on our console - at least I can plug one in the PS3, don't know about the Xbox - make that a controller option already and and get rid of dumbed down interfaces!!!
- Haris bin Ali
Yeah, you can plug one in on a 360 as well... There's a folding panel on the right-hand side, similar to the cart slots on old consoles, with some USB ports inside.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Ok, first of all cutting-edge PC gaming is a hobby, not a thing for the casual gamer. Most gamers build their own rigs. That's part of the hobby. If you don't enjoy that, then by all means stick with consoles, no problem. Yes the gear is pricey but if you play it right you can updgrade incrementally as needed. Certainly consoles have their place and have brought the 3d gaming experience...
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- Adrian
The last time I seriously gamed on a computer, it was on a Commodore 64. If WoW was on a console, I'd totally switch over.
- Victor Ganata
Hey, don't knock the C=64. There are some games for the C=64 that I still play today through emulation. :-) I still love Tower Toppler and Bubble Bobble.
- Jason Huebel
Jason, there's a C64 emulator for Android. ;D
- Adrian
The Commodore 64 isn't a console. But it does remind me: I need to find a Commodore 64, a 1571, and a 1581. I still have nearly all of my discs from back in the day. Same with my Apple ][e and Amiga collections (I do have an Amiga 500 upstairs).
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva: There are pretty decent, annual shows in Toronto and Chicago for Commodore fans. Toronto's is next month, at that.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Toronto's a far distance from me. Ebay's a lot closer.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I still have all my C64 and Amiga disks too. I hope they still work.
- Rodfather
@Adrian Shouldn't the focus be on the games themselves rather than the hardware/OS they run on? Console gaming lets me do that. PC gaming does not.
- Haris bin Ali
@Haris sorry but that's not the case. The focus has been on simplifying the games with the console tech as the lowest common denominator, so even if you have a higher spec pc the game design itself is limited by the console tech, and not just the graphics.
- Adrian
well the differences between a pc game and a SNES/genesis game compared to a pc game and ps3/360 game are a little different. i go into game places now it's usually a wall one side of ps stuff, a wall of xbox stuff, a section of wii stuff and the pc games waaaay on the back wall.
- Terry O'Fee
"@ Elyse : Wishing people are dead and not caring whether they lived or died are two different things. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with either emotion as long as you don’t actively pursue their death."
- Haris bin Ali
That is what you get when there is social stigma against condoms. People will have (marital, premarital, extra-marital) sex, even if they've been taught that it is wrong. Condoms are highly effective in preventing the transmission of HIV. Someone needs to highlight this publicly.
- Haris bin Ali
How did people eating durian turn into "glue sniffing children, rempit-ing, bohsia, penyamun, penyangak"? And since when is home invasion and assault alright? Vigilantism is illegal but what these people did is not even that. It's just plain thuggery.
- Haris bin Ali
This smells of FUD. I'm not saying that the BNP is not disgusting. From what I've read of them, they appear to be very much evil and disgusting. But censoring them is not the way to go. Allowing them to spout their drivel openly is more effective towards exposing and eliminating them. Worrying about whether an appearance on the BBC legitimises them is pointless. Anyone who genuinely takes that view is already on their side.
- Haris bin Ali
Both seem to be good services in their own right. Although, PSN doesn't come up to snuff on some features when compared to XBL. But, I can't really attest to that since my only experience with the PSN is through my PSP.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I am biased towards PSN simply because I only have the PS3. Not that it can't do better though.
- Haris bin Ali
I dont like paying for Live really, the games cost enough most of the time so i dont really like it. I do like all the stuff you can do at xbox.com though, messaging, queuing stuff up etc, you cant do any of that with the PSN, so i think Live still wins for me.
- Simon Wicks
I have no problems paying $50 a year for Live gold, since the overall package is just so stellar. You couldn't pay me to use a half baked Sony online space.
- Alex Scoble
Yeah, Xbox Live might not be free but you are paying for the quality. If PSN gets close to Xbox Live then we can question it but not right not.
- Kol Tregaskes
"19 hours?! To upgrade an OS? Does that include downloading updates from the internet? Because 19 hours is an unreasonably long time for an upgrade."
- Haris bin Ali