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Anti-Theft Measures - http://imagechan.com/images...
Hisateru Tanaka, ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,, Alastair Montgomery and 77 other people liked this
"Presenting The Only Ferrari In The World No One Would Steal"
- Kol Tregaskes
LOL!
- Nik
LOL
- rowlikeagirl
I might. With Yolanda's help.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Oh. My. *cries*
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
It works, I wouldn't nick it. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I'd be ALL OVER this car... if I knew how to steal cars. DO ANYBODY NO how to steal cars here? LOL
- Bette Cooper
"Presenting The Only Ferrari In The World No One Would Steal" LOL
- Yann Ropars
We did the same thing to our xbox 360 wireless controller at work. http://blogs.vertigo.com/persona...
- Alan Le
Pfftt.. steal it at midnight and give it a paint job. DONE!! Next!!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Wow that's ugly. The base color should be a nice glossy black.
- Yolanda
This is my DREAM car!
- Heather
...except Paris Hilton
- Fleagle
I would so drive that car.
- Brodie Beta
Pulls out the Spray Paint,, Zooooommm
- SCS Watching the Sun
That's because everyone ran to Greader which has a long way to go before it can live up to FF. Conversations on there are way too hard. Worse than Twitter.
- Kimber Scott
If I ran the world...this would get you a 6 month prison sentence.....
- Stephanie Segel
Our local SCCA chapter has several loaner helmets painted that color. Thefts went down dramatically compared to when they were just black.
- dthree
I'm not so sure. I once saw an old VW bug with a "Girl Power" bumper sticker being driven around by some skin head looking dudes.
- Kevykev
O.M.G.
- k0nan
This pic gets worse upon each viewing, hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
Genius
- Kevin J Hatton
Except that for a thief to steal this, they would have it stripped back and turned into a real Ferrari in around 30 minutes flat (including travel time) so I don't think it would be that much of a deterrent. ;)
- Travis Koger
Bumping some old good posts. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I still think this should be punishable with jail time.....
- Stephanie Segel
Hehe, Stephanie.
- Kol Tregaskes
I bet $100 you don't have the guts to do this - http://koltregaskes.soup.io/post...
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FIR ☂, echostreamer, Thomas Powers and 168 other people liked this
LOL!
- Kol Tregaskes
*checks PayPal balance*
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
haha what?
- Marissa
No. definately not.
- Roberto Bonini
Afternoon LOL!
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
That was pretty much my reaction on August 10th.
- Jemm
No way.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I did that, but I was heading vertical, school had a vaulted ceiling and I went running, stepped on a chair right were it dropped, on impact both shoes fell off, one hit a guy in the face.
- Jimminy Fuller
wonder if that kid had aspirations of being a stunt guy... "dignity, always with dignity" ;)
- alphaxion
What a plonker. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
ah, to be young and stupid again. (as opposed to middle-aged and stupid.)
- Joe Silence
;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
You lose, Kol. I have done that. :D
- Steven Perez
Darn it, I'll have to pay up. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
oUcH!
- Hussein EROL
I'd do it in a heartbeat 20 years ago. Now, I'd be afraid I'd break a hip or something. *shakes fist*
- Rodfather
spidey failure.
- Ozer Wrzl (EN)
Hehe, Ozer,
- Kol Tregaskes
hehehe :)
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
Step away from the crack Pipe !!!
- SCS Watching the Sun
Can I use the $100 to get liquored up before I do it?
- Mark Krynsky
If I weren't afraid of going right through the wall, I'd probably still try that. I know I would have done that (and did similar things quite often) when I was much younger.
- Curtiss Grymala
This is still superb this morning after. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
This is why most men seem to have some form of brain damage.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Hehe!
- Kol Tregaskes
That is not a leap of faith!
- earl wallace
from twhirl
Not quite. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I don't have to show you that since I do that on every workday.
- imabonehead
LOL!
- Zachary TG
that's such an old video!
- Alex Piluguin
Ah is it, oh well, new to me. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
My Soup.io page got on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r... and this anim got on the front page: http://www.reddit.com/r...
- Kol Tregaskes
hey buddy i posted Da Gif On Reddit but it got So many down vote, beats me, any way your gif rux
- Amir
Ah, cool. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
This is awesome :)
- Joe Dawson
Defining the line between brave and stupid?
- Eoghann Irving
If I did that, first the wall would collapse, and then the floor. (So, you see, it's not that I *couldn't*... I just choose not to, for the protection of others.)
- Mark "DerBingle" J
You're right. I don't have the guts...and I'm proud of that.
- Tammy Marshall
Bumped, just because. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I have the brains not to
- VAL D. Zone
...Spiderman, Spiderman... not!
- .LAG liked that
lol
- echostreamer
How good is WINE at running Windows software on Linux? Good enough to get infected - http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009...
Haris bin Ali liked this
Thank you to my 50,002 followers. Look through my followers here and compare to my Twitter followers and what do you notice? I see fewer spammers. Fewer bots. Fewer social media experts. Thanks for joining me on FriendFeed! It has been an awesome two years!
Aron Stevenson, Thomas Power, Louis Gray and 91 other people liked this
FFFTW!
- Cjay
YAY!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Down with bots, spammers, and social media gurus! Up with geeks! A big thumbs up on behalf of my fellow FriendFeed fanatics.
- Dennis Jernberg
I love geeks and FriendFeed has them in droves.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
are u going somewhere ;p
- zʍıɔ
You're welcome ;-) A question though, where do you think we geeks will congregate next? I'm thinking that since Facebook now owns the Friendfeed devs, FF will eventually starve to death... hopefully not.
- Roberto Teixeira
But I notice a lot of users interact on FF via Twitter not directly on FF. Also FF faces tough competition from the likes of Posterous and Tumblr which offer more functionality with similar ease of use as FF.
- Roger
Roberto: Not so long ago this very FF post from scobleizer would get something about 300+ likes and 150+ comments. Sadly, FF users are surely looking elsewhere.
- Arvind
FF is ok, but its not the be all and end all Robert.
- Micky
Arvind: yup. Foursquare! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Friendfeed wins
- ashish
I too think that friendfeed is still a winner... people that left just filtered themselves out of my conversations. They are no longer discoverable here to me. Their loss (imho)
- Chris Heath
Your welcome :). Friendfeed really really is awesome
- alfred westerveld
Yes Robert and Friendfeed is massively technically superior - Makes it even sadder that the platform here's being ignored by the new owners.
- Jim Connolly
Still the best place for discovery to me despite less interaction.
- Eric Logan
Robert - I love the community and friends here on FriendFeed. I am so happy I was on FF in early 2008 and got to experience it's wild and wooly growth path. Chatting with you and all these cool geeks is really fun. I've learned TONS from you guys and I truly appreciate the friendship too! :)
- Susan Beebe
I agree, way less marketing gurus and spammers =)
- Brodie Beta
Wewt! We are awesome, especially me </ego>
- Danny Minick
In my experience, I've been using ff more rather than less since the fb aquisition. I don't see why I would migrate to another community ATM. To me, Friendfeed is king. :) King of social media, that is.
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Me, I'm sticking with FF for the foreseeable future. I'm even going to do my part to promote it, at least to my (right now) 1K+ Twitter followers.
- Dennis Jernberg
Friend Feed is the Future Robert and you just may be our Faithfull leader! :)
- PeaceMakersInc
Word.
- Gary
Thank you, Robert. I have learned quite a bit from you-and you have created/moderated some tremendous discussions/issues. Best wishes to you and your family.
- Harold Cabezas
LOL. I agree. I have 413 followers on Twitter. When I ask a question, I get no responses. Same here. Does nobody like me?
- Zachary TG
zachary check their subscriptions against their subscribers and you might have an answer there
- ffcode
yup! there is a decline...don't know what friendfeeders are upto...foursquare might not be the complete answer
- ffcode
I'm still here. I tried doing the Google Reader thing. While it's a great reader, I think it SUCKS as a social platform. I still use it, but I don't expect as much out of it as I used to. FriendFeed and posterous are what I like best for what I do. Facebook is getting a little chaotic for me. I've made lists, but I think I need to start pruning... LONG LIVE FRIENDFEED!
- Kimber Scott
U do like normal folks like us, who does have a life, like having hobbies such as movies, taking pictures, making jokes and listening 2 old radio jokes on the Internet lol...and wondering why spell check doesn't work somedays
- polou/indigo_bow
Has it really been 2 years? OMG that was fast.
- Elliott Ng
ROFL! No bots; just wait! The bots are coming, they always come.
- Brandon Smietana
In twenty years I would be surprised if the bots were not more human than the humans. "Statistical Natural Language Processing: When Humans Fail the Turing Test", coming to a research journal near you!
- Brandon Smietana
Skull Cake
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Duff, gary, vicster is... and 12 other people liked this
Oh my...
- Cheryl Jones
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
It should be a red velvet cake inside. :)
- Cheryl Jones
agreed. then it would look like the headache i had earlier today.
- Joe Silence
i love eating but dunno about this one :)
- Mehmet Aydin
it also good to be melon pan inside. http://media.photobucket.com/image...
- Hisa Itami
Exclusive: I Helped Richard Heene Plan a Balloon Hoax - Boy in the balloon - Gawker - http://gawker.com/5383858...
Nir Ben Yona, Haris bin Ali, Eric Logan and 3 other people liked this
"For the first time, 25-year-old researcher Robert Thomas reveals to Gawker how earlier this year he and Richard Heene drew up a master plan to generate a massive media controversy using a weather balloon. To get famous, of course."
- Jason Huebel
from Bookmarklet
At this point I'm not sure what version of events to believe, but I'm leaning a bit towards the hoax side.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I am too. I don't feel strongly either way, though. I just find it interesting. The parents are nucking futs, though.
- Jason Huebel
Just another part of the reptilian agenda to prevent us from learning the truth ;)
- Eric Logan
Fwd: xkcd - A Webcomic - Surgery - http://xkcd.com/644/ (via http://friendfeed.com/silas21...)
dolphin278, обровей алексец, Jemm and 14 other people liked this
"Damn. Not only did he not install it, he sutured a 'Vista-Ready' sticker onto my arm."
- Joe Silence
"My days are numbered."
- Carolyn Chan
but... how did he know about Linux?
- A.T.
"The rest is software" (Shakespeare)
- 9000
Science Proves Women Are Secret Sluts - http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009...
Haris bin Ali liked this
Muhyiddin confident of Chinese backing http://thestar.com.my/news... [I thought under 1Malaysia, no more race? Elections still race based? Tsk tsk]
Haris bin Ali liked this
Ignoring RIAA lawsuits cheaper than going to trial - http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...
Daniel Rowley, Haris bin Ali, Helen Sventitsky and 5 other people liked this
"The same federal judge who oversaw the Joel Tenenbaum file-sharing trial earlier this year passed out default judgments this week against other file-swappers who never bothered to show up—and they now owe far less than Tenenbaum."
- winckel
from Bookmarklet
doesn't look like justice to me
- winckel
extortion
- Joe Silence
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds: woman who inspired Beatles song dies - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture...
Haris bin Ali, Iván Abrego, Carolyn Chan and 3 other people liked this
Lucy is now indeed in the sky :(
- winckel
from Bookmarklet
she was only 46 :(
- Carolyn Chan
Fwd: Coolest ID ever (via http://friendfeed.com/nima) - http://www.inquisitr.com/37800... (via http://friendfeed.com/winckel...)
Rick Cogley and Haris bin Ali liked this
Way too amesome
- Haris bin Ali
Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Christian Hollingsworth, Haris bin Ali, Nicholas James and 25 other people liked this
Nice. I'm home this afternoon and get to see it live for the first time.
- Amyloo
ditto. no sound either.
- Christopher Harris
We're getting there
- Brett Slatkin
The test pattern looks good so far.
- Matt Mastracci
We are starting shortly.
- Robert Scoble
whoooo! shortly!
- Christopher Harris
Please stand by...
- Robert Scoble
It's on
- Matt Mastracci
Cool
- Ken Sheppardson
Rackspace is wasting their money, they could reach 175000 geeks by advertising on TWiT
- Mark
first time i'm seeing the new video :)
- Christopher Harris
Mark: who said we won't do that too?
- Robert Scoble
Alright... need to pull up Dave's Twitter stream in another window...
- Ken Sheppardson
look at that chizzled jaw, lucky guy
- Mark
dave winer?
- Christopher Harris
Considering we're watching video sucked over Skype and rebroadcast over ustream, the quality is pretty good.
- Matt Mastracci
"Fast RSS." I liek that generic term. Harkens to fast zombies.
- Amyloo
Fast feeds - like fast food? Will there be a Slow Feeds movement?
- Kevin Marks
Polling sucks.
- Bob Wyman
Bob: can you explain why you think that?
- Robert Scoble
And how that fits into this conversation?
- Robert Scoble
Knowing "what's new" is pretty important - as important as "something is new".
- Matt Mastracci
Scoble: It's inefficient.
- Eric Florenzano
Aha I'm awake in time for the gillmor gang.
- Hilary Talbot
polling wastes resources on both sides of the connection for the majority of the time when there are no new items
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Hey Hil.
- Amyloo
hey Amy :)
- Hilary Talbot
Scoble: Think of the browser. V1 of friendfeed was polling. You had to ask (by refreshing) whether there was new content. This version of friendfeed is push, where FriendFeed tells you when there's new stuff.
- Eric Florenzano
bear: right, so is Pubsubhubbub doing it right or wrong? And, is there a better way?
- Robert Scoble
the key part is that it's sending the content along with the item - this dramatically reduces client complexity
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
By "server", he means "hub", re: doing more work. The blogs do as much work as they do today (ie: ping the hub).
- Matt Mastracci
Hubbub is doing it right IMO
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Scoble: Just remember everything I said to you 5 or 6 years ago when explaining why PubSub was useful and why "one-day" people would realize that real-time would be good. Nothing has changed.
- Bob Wyman
Bob: yup, I'm slow. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: You need to get more "real-time"!
- Bob Wyman
Right - this is the HTTP/HTML version of what PubSub has been doing for XMPP
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Absolutely. No question. Yes.
- Bob Wyman
Yeah. It could do twitter.
- Matt Mastracci
correction - I'm not the CTO - I don't think Johann would like me taking his job :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Oh, sorry.
- Robert Scoble
Is it possible Bill Gates had it right, Business at the speed of Thought? We want content and information as we think it.
- Owen Greaves
I get confused. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Someone ask Recordon if they've figured out how all this can relate to activitystrea.ms, the streams protocol Facebook, MySpace, and others support
- Jesse Stay
no worries :) I like the promotion
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
which is Atom based
- Jesse Stay
You'd have a hard time doing twitter over rssCloud - you'd have to be pulling the last 30 twitter messages after each tweet. That's 30x the traffic.
- Matt Mastracci
If you were designing this sort of system from scratch today, I can't imagine that you'd take a polling approach. It's legacy left over from page-based web browsing.
- Ken Sheppardson
This is a great fit for activitystrea.ms
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, that's what I was thinking - both being Atom, they ought to fit together well. I'd love to see a use-case in action.
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, activitystrea.ms works easily with Atom which can then be made real time using PSHB.
- David Recordon
robert - easily - Seesmic ran in the cloud until we finally needed more memory for the Java side
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
polling is useful as a fallback and to pull history when subscribing for the first time.
- Kevin Marks
Can we all just agree on "Hubbub" vs "PuSH" or saying "pubsubhubbub" every time... once and for all? :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd love to see Brett's opinion on why Twitter won't implement PSHB
- Jesse Stay
It requires a big player just to have the operations staff to maintain a high volume site
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jesse: I was just about to ask that.
- Robert Scoble
Tornado uses epoll and it's been used by Twisted Python
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
but if it's distributed - it would scale out anyway
- Ankush Narula
Kqueue too :) (Well, Twisted does support that, Tornado doesn't yet)
- Eric Florenzano
Twitter won't implement it because they want to be the hub, and they want everybody to use their own, proprietary APIS
- Ken Sheppardson
Ankush - correct - until you get "scobled" (i.e. when you have one user with a huge number of followers)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike: and wait until you get onto Oprah! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Sounds like DNS
- Rob La Gesse
Ken, I understand the Hub part, but I can't help wonder if they just don't understand how it could help their API. They could use their own hub if they wanted.
- Jesse Stay
Are Hubbub and rssCloud the same thing? (...he asks, feigning innocence)
- Ken Sheppardson
The PSHB protocol is "simple" and fairly trivial implementations are possible. But, *any* single hub that monitors millions of feeds is going to need care and feeding. There will be *very large* hubs and their will be tiny hubs and they can all work together happily.
- Bob Wyman
I'd love to know if Brett or Brad have reached out to Twitter in any way
- Jesse Stay
Ken: no. Similar efforts but come from different histories. RSSCloud comes from Dave Winer's side of the house.
- Robert Scoble
robert - oh hell no - that's what Loic is good at
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
the distinction is that PubSubHubbub sends the fat pings with content in; rssCloud sends an update notification and still needs a poll
- Kevin Marks
Mike: actually Loic has someone speaking at LeWeb that has a bigger global brand than Oprah.
- Robert Scoble
robert - yea, I haven't found out who yet - i'm curioius about that
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
It's Dr. Laura isn't it Robert?
- Jesse Stay
what happens if a hub dies?
- Ankush Narula
Jesse: way bigger than that.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, Twitter wants other people to adopt their streaming API, if anything... they don't want to be yet another hub in some network
- Ken Sheppardson
rssCloud causes "thundering herd" problem on source blogs. The result can be a complete swamping of smaller publishers. This was the core "mistake" in rssCloud when it was first done 7 years ago and it remains the core error in that protocol.
- Bob Wyman
How about working with the OMB guys? Why PSHB vs. OMB protocol?
- Jesse Stay
yea, Twitter got burned with XMPP early in their engineering life so have a bad taste for it - they got burned not because of XMPP but because of other non-tech reasons
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jesse - IMO OMB should allow for atom payloads - then it could become part of PSHB by default
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
OMB could generate activitystrea.ms + PSHB too
- Kevin Marks
Thundering herd would be a *huge* problem if Twitter were to get decentralized. Oprah has 1MM+ followers - that's 20 tweets * 1k * 1MM subscribers on each tweet.
- Matt Mastracci
Celine Dion probably has a bigger brand than Opera, and she speaks French (ADD kicking in here)
- Jesse Stay
Bear, interesting
- Jesse Stay
Bear: The issue wasn't XMPP the protocol, it was the software they used to implement it, the systems they built to feed it, the way they configured it, etc... XMPP isn't, a priori, any worse than the alternatives.
- Bob Wyman
OMB made a big mistake when they created their own protocol instead of just extending ATOM, IMO
- Eric Florenzano
Bob, yes - you said it much better than I did - I was trying to say just that
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
There was also the on again/off again relationship Twitter had with Gnip that confused the whole XMPP situation
- Ken Sheppardson
Yeah, I don't really see what OMB gets you these days given activitystrea.ms, Hubbub, etc. Seems redundant.
- Ken Sheppardson
We have an interesting interview with Gnip's founder on Building43 right now, by the way.
- Robert Scoble
@Matt: Right. with rssCloud, publishing becomes massively expensive if you get popular. rssCloud will, on the other hand, work well for people who aren't very popular and don't have many people interested in what they publish. For those folk, rssCloud is a potential solution... :-)
- Bob Wyman
Gnip link: http://www.building43.com/videos...
- Rob La Gesse
oh cool - Gnip has some very cool tech behind the scenes - i'll have to queue that video
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ken - now that identi.ca/status.net has plugins - nothing prevents someone from wiring up a PHSB hook to the internal message queue for identi.ca/status.net
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear: You know if anybody's pushing activitystrea.ms out of a Laconica instance yet?
- Ken Sheppardson
I imagine that hooking up the twitter firehose to PSHB would be really easy and cheap, but it would likely violate the twitter firehose license.
- Matt Mastracci
kevin - yea, one of the most fun projects I did was to hook a sms/xmpp bot to a phone switch - it allowed you to control your vm/phone from xmpp and gave a lot of benefit
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
EVERYTHING cool violates the Twitter firehose rules :)
- Rob La Gesse
ken - there is some private branch work being done on that - but they are working on getting 0.9 out the door first
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
@bear great - we should get you hooked up to the Ribbit APIs for telephony stuff and Seesmic
- Kevin Marks
Rob: FriendFeed figured out a way around the stupid Twitter rules.
- Robert Scoble
I think just knowing that Twitter offers a firehose violates it's terms of use.
- Ken Sheppardson
@kevin i would love to review them and make a pitch to the team about them
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert - FF didn't try to share the firehose.
- Rob La Gesse
$50M for FF engineering and architecture team?
- Ankush Narula
@bear great, email me kevinmarks@gmail.com
- Kevin Marks
..and FF was able to position themselves as a Twitter client, in a sense, by pushing traffic to Twitter. They weren't just extracting value from the system. Plus, they probably asked nicely and sent cupcakes.
- Ken Sheppardson
Rob: sure it did, but it only shares it for people who have logged into FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Rob: Twitter's rules are "don't create a shadow Twitter." As long as you don't try to do that they probably will let you play.
- Robert Scoble
Rob: of course every geek in the world wants to create a shadow Twitter. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Rob - once they produced the v2 api - then they started sharing the full stream. Until that point it was a partial stream
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert - my point is - at the same time Twitter couldn't support more use of the firehose, they demanded the firehose NOT be re-broadcast. They don;t allow one to become a "node" of the stream. Which seems silly.
- Rob La Gesse
That's not entirely correct, Robert. Their other rule is "don't try to monetize something firehose based that we may at some point in the indefinite future think about monetizing ourselves"
- Ken Sheppardson
On PubSubHubbub and rssCloud ... (http://brad.livejournal.com/2405147...)
- David Recordon
Ken: we're saying the same thing. :-)
- Robert Scoble
decentralization!!!
- Ankush Narula
Rob: FriendFeed rebroadcasts the Twitter firehose, but only for the people who have signed onto FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Ah... right... "shadow Twitter". Gotcha :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert/Ken - I can understand why Twitter doesn't want downstream nodes passing on the stream - they lose access control
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert - they are not. They are broadcasting back a VERY small portion of that stream, at best.
- Rob La Gesse
I think technically rebroadcasting is illegal according to the Twitter developer terms for the firehose
- Jesse Stay
Mike me too! Rob: it is a small portion because only a few hundred thousand people have signed onto FriendFeed, but if you could get everyone on Twitter to sign up here you'd see the entire firehose.
- Robert Scoble
In so far as fire-walled end-user applications can't receive pings, PSHB protocol mainly helps publishers and server-side aggregators like Google reader. Since this "last mile problem" is out-of-scope for PSHB, we can't yet expect any client explosion the likes that Twitter has seen. Any thoughts from the panel on the last mile problem? What would have to be done so that Tweetie, Seesmic, etc, might benefit from PSHB?
- Mason Lee
Robert - I disagree. I think if that happened the hose would be shut off.
- Rob La Gesse
The protocol comparison document is at: http://code.google.com/p...
- Bob Wyman
Well, I don't think it's just rebroadcasting... there's also an issue around derivative/aggregations based on the firehose, firehose-based analytics, etc
- Ken Sheppardson
Why isn't Twitter ever a part of these conversations? I'd love to hear their viewpoint. You should get Ryan Sarver on one of these episodes.
- Jesse Stay
real time chat across different media and internet access levels - you pick what size/speed your want your conversation to happen at
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I believe they have an open invite :)
- Rob La Gesse
The last time I saw Twitter participate in this sort of conversation was at BearHugCamp last fall.... and I suspect that left a bad taste in their mouth :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm curious if anyone invited them
- Jesse Stay
But you can't do global Track across a federated system
- Ken Sheppardson
*somebody* needs to aggregate everything if you want to search across everything
- Ken Sheppardson
But Kevin, what about tracking the firehose?
- Cliff Gerrish
*drink* someone mentioned Track
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
@Mason If PSHB handles the backbone problem of providing fan-in and then fan-out for millions of feeds, it makes it massively easier for people to focus on building innovative front ends. There isn't much opportunity for creativity in solving the backend problem -- that's why it is reasonable to build something like PSHB today. The really fun problems are the things that should be relying on PSHB as a source of feeds. Let PSHB do the boring backend problem -- you should focus on innovative clients.
- Bob Wyman
drink
- Rob La Gesse
Ken: that's a good point.
- Robert Scoble
or you need to delegate/distribute searches out to the hubs
- Ken Sheppardson
I need a drink!
- Robert Scoble
Robert - grab some formula!
- Rob La Gesse
But, "follow" isn't enough. We also need TRACK!
- Bob Wyman
Or that other kind of milk.
- Amyloo
There are certainly benefits to distribution and redundancy, but there *are* benefits to centralization.
- Ken Sheppardson
Kevin has the key point, getting what you want... Discovery of what you want would be next... these hubs will be learning patterns of what is wanted.
- Ben Hedrington
Or will it be too decentralized?
- Ben Hedrington
Discovery on a federated/partitioned system is problematic.
- Ken Sheppardson
but PSHB isn't for track, as you have said eloquently on the mailing list, Bob
- Kevin Marks
live filtering?
- Ankush Narula
So discovery is the next frontier?
- Ben Hedrington
track remains a problem even with PSHB *but* using PSHB allows you to do a track across more than just one source
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: chat room other than here?
- David Stratton
discovery happens the same way you discover new blogs IMO
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Discovery has always been the new frontier
- Francine Hardaway
@Kevin: But, if I've got PSHB aggregating the feeds, it makes it really, really easy for me to build a server that *does* do track on the stuff that PSHB feeds to me.
- Bob Wyman
David: this is the chat room.
- Robert Scoble
Hubbub allows some central search provider subscribe to everything, then people can subscribe to the search provider... but there just has to be some way to discover/broadcast which feeds are out there... this is an issue with SUP, btw... discovery. You have to know a feed's SUP ID first.
- Ken Sheppardson
okay, thought so
- David Stratton
I guess I wasn't being 2010 enough. This is the chat feed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
So you mean if you want to do research or market research you will pay
- Francine Hardaway
@bobwyman sure, but that isn't the usecase Robert says he wants; he needs a mass crawl for that
- Kevin Marks
Francine: and restaurants will pay $10 a month to have their own Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
I remember the Microsoft guy at BearHugCamp last fall was wondering why anybody would ever want to build a Track system, rather than just leave it to Google...
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm a set of keywords, I'm looking for a set of keywords
- Arnie Klaus
Of course, Twitter will probably offer http://www.sushirestaurant.com/twitter at some point too.
- Robert Scoble
Live regexp for big pipes sounds like a $1Billion dollar business.
- Cliff Gerrish
@kevin, I dont' see the distinction. I can do track based on all that flows through the PSHB hubs. That's semantically equivelant to doing a "mass crawl"
- Bob Wyman
we've been doing this stuff with MOM in financial market feeds - topic subscriptions, channels, etc.
- Ankush Narula
And what will they really do with it? That they don't do now
- Francine Hardaway
You can have one aggregator that controls the entire feed, or you can set the feed loose and let several companies aggregate from those. Same data, no single point of control.
- Rob La Gesse
Francine: I can see a lot you would do if you had your own branded Twitter clone.
- Robert Scoble
Every Hubbub hub could/should provide a local firehose to anyone who wants it.
- Ken Sheppardson
distributed track is possible. Centralization only makes it easier.
- Bob Wyman
Complex events processing...
- Cliff Gerrish
@bobwyman only if all the hubs do collation for you, surely? Content-based filtering inot feeds on the hubs too
- Kevin Marks
Bob: and even centralization isn't THAT easy. Twitter only shows you the last few days on http://search.twitter.com
- Robert Scoble
How similar to JustSignal?
- Francine Hardaway
This is similar to tracking multiple market centers (pools of liquidity) to get the right trade.
- Cliff Gerrish
John Kalucki, a SQLstream co-founder, has been at Twitter for about 18 month now working on... wait for it... their firehose API.
- Ken Sheppardson
Cliff: Now I understand
- Francine Hardaway
the fun happens when PSHB allows for disparate streams to have firehoses - then all the search/filter geeks can do their thing
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
@Scoble: "history" is irrelevant to any system doing a real-time track. All you care about is the future -- not the past. Past is for "retrospective search," "track" is about "prospective search".
- Bob Wyman
The future: filter, search, discover, curate
- Francine Hardaway
So Twitter is trying to become FriendFeed?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Sure we do. It's called TwitterSpy. Dustin Sallings built it two years ago
- Ken Sheppardson
others have built the same thing...
- Ken Sheppardson
Mike - so is Facebook :)
- Rob La Gesse
Bob: I want both.
- Robert Scoble
@bobwyman disagree - you need both flow and past; they complement one another
- Kevin Marks
bear: I think if you look at some of the newer Twitter web clients, they're basically a FriendFeed-like UI on top of the Twitter message bus.
- Ken Sheppardson
twitter retweet is going to make a lot of folks angry - not that I have any inside info or anything
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear: hah!
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble: Of course you want both. I would never question that. The two halves of search compliment each other. Only retrospective or only prospective is only half the solution. Most of the systems you've ever used have only solved half the problem .
- Bob Wyman
bear: Justine Bateman's already mad about it. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Bob: agreed. FriendFeed came close to solving both.
- Robert Scoble
London here :)
- Bastian
New York here...
- Bob Wyman
hawaii here
- Arnie Klaus
Texas
- Rob La Gesse
Philadelphia
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
NYC
- Ankush Narula
Just got a 503 on Twitter... we breaking it real time?
- Ben Hedrington
Washington State
- Steve Hammer
San Francisco (not Silcon Valley ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
canberra, Aust
- Hilary Talbot
Dana Point, CA here
- michael sean wright
nice thing we started here
- Bastian
Wow - what a nice distribution!
- Rob La Gesse
Ben - no - Twitter's auth API is having trouble right now - my monitoring alerts are going berserk about it
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Minneapolis, MN
- Ben Hedrington
RSS!!
- michael sean wright
Arizona
- Francine Hardaway
awww...RSS :-)
- Jodi Church
RSS, welcome to the world.
- Bob Wyman
RSS lives!
- Mason Lee
Don;t know how Scoble had a cute baby :) I mean, Maryam is cute, but Robert? Hee
- Rob La Gesse
LOL @RSS...
- Karoli
That gives new meaning to RSS stream.
- Steve Hammer
when he farts - do you call it an rssCloud? ;-)
- Ankush Narula
welcome to the intertubes RSS!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
@ankush LOL!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Rocky looks so cute petting him
- Francine Hardaway
Ankush, FTW!
- Karoli
Careful - Rocky looks hungry!
- Rob La Gesse
loved the mp3 of the sounds of RSS greeting the world
- michael sean wright
Your saving it all for his great, great grandkids!
- Arnie Klaus
I need to run! :)
- David Recordon
Thanks man ttyl
- Brett Slatkin
lots of spamming yesterday
- Karoli
it was a classic phishing scam
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
2 different things
- Karoli
Good to hear about http://superfeedr.com!
- Julien
If you were using SocialToo you wouldn't have gotten those messages :-)
- Jesse Stay
they're able to insert messages into your stream when you don't follow via the Twitter API
- Karoli
PSHB is not really decentralized from the client's perspective-- there will be one front end: google.
- Mason Lee
Diversity is important in *any* ecosystem...
- Bob Wyman
It's funny that I'm getting a fail whale on the Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
it's the same with your computer network - all the same server means you are pwned by a single attack
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Steve Gillmor needs his Twitter anti-virus (SocialToo) :-)
- Jesse Stay
DNS
- Eric Florenzano
Gmail
- Ken Sheppardson
Commonality in protocols -- diversity in servers.
- Bob Wyman
oh, wait...
- Ken Sheppardson
Twitter is down hard now.
- Robert Scoble
Ok, really need to go now! Thanks and talk to everyone later.
- David Recordon
I'm gettting 503 server error.
- Robert Scoble
everyone gets nervous when we add a layer on top of the web stack...
- Ankush Narula
yea, i'm getting hard errors from Twitter in my server alerts
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ahh, it's back.
- Robert Scoble
One day Twitter just won't come back.
- Ken Sheppardson
i was, but it's working again for me
- Jodi Church
Yeah - API's having issues too
- Jesse Stay
Still 503 here
- Ken Sheppardson
@ken - then, we will all sleep.
- Rob La Gesse
Ken: Not after it has raise $100m
- Francine Hardaway
Its google wave getting ready to go live.
- Arnie Klaus
it's both
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Annie: Hah!
- Ben Hedrington
The problem comes in ownership of the resource. In the decentralized web, we share the pipes in neutral fashion. But, "commercial" people tend to violate net neutrality rules. Like Twitter deciding who can and cannot read their data. That is a net neutrality failure...
- Bob Wyman
Only portrayed that way by the FSF/GPL extremists
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Love the sound of Skype in the morning
- Bastian
@bear: We should profit by competing on the service we provide users -- not on how much of user's data we have captured.
- Bob Wyman
Bob: and what about Facebook's front door being completely locked?
- Ankush Narula
@bob agree 100%
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Is he saying Dave Winer's naive? :-)
- Jesse Stay
Bob: agree. Jesse: I think so.
- Robert Scoble
He's saying light pinging won't work.
- Cliff Gerrish
*smack*
- Rob La Gesse
@Ankush I'm seriously hoping that the new hires at Facebook help steer them away from the dark side :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
So to argue in Twitter and Facebook's defense, they're not just a neutral pass through. They're adding value to the system, and they'd argue that they shouldn't be "forced" to just let that walk out the back door.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd like to see Dave Winer's response to that
- Jesse Stay
@ankush , Folk don't always agree with me. But, I believe that users should control access to their data and they should make decisions based on what is in their interest -- the people who run the services that people use should *not* be the ones deciding what access controls will be enforced.
- Bob Wyman
so do you see there being an APi to Google's crawl for use in this, Bob?
- Kevin Marks
Because of stampeding herds?
- Mason Lee
I'm a big +1 on the fat ping
- Eric Florenzano
Jesse: I'm sure you will (see the response)
- Ken Sheppardson
Mike: if Facebook doesn't get its public service act together they will see themselves becoming the next MySpace. In the early adopter audience it already is.
- Robert Scoble
Bob/Mike - i'm in full agreement - but when you're building a service that has zero monetization (twitter) - what else can your valuation be based on other than your core data assets?
- Ankush Narula
I think Facebook is getting it together. Connect is their answer, but they're also slowly opening up search as well.
- Jesse Stay
Of course they have FriendFeed now to keep the early adopters inside the Facebook tent, but there's a lot more early adopters on Twitter than here.
- Robert Scoble
@robert agree completely - I had already zero'd out my profile and moved to FF - but the FF folks moving to FB made me give them more time
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bob/Mike - as for FB - I hope so too
- Ankush Narula
Of course, you are better off doing it on Rackspace :)
- Rob La Gesse
Jesse: I agree with you.
- Robert Scoble
Don't build services that have no legitimate path to profit. In that case, you should be building protocols whose costs can be shared by the community and then build your business by creating the best tools for using the protocol.
- Bob Wyman
popping in to listen to RL Gilmor Gang stream #gillmorgang
- Del_
Bob - Sounds ideal - but knowing the history of Twitter - I suspect they were much more concerned about uptime rather than the public good
- Ankush Narula
robert and rob: speaking of using Rackspace, Cartus put my contract on hold while they figure out their needs
- David Stratton
"Has *2* Bs"?? Doesn't it have, like 12?
- Ken Sheppardson
pub sub hub bub (five bs)
- Robert Scoble
activitystrea.ms is yet another endpoint that can be connected to PSHB
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
@Ankush I don't know who was thinking what. But, I do know that those who focus on "public good" typically write protocols, not walled garden closed sites.
- Bob Wyman
Sidewiki is so not a wiki
- Ken Sheppardson
I think it's actually "pub/sub hubbub" - I'm usually wrong though
- Jesse Stay
I want Sidewiki to have Wave support
- Jesse Stay
Bob - fair enough :-)
- Ankush Narula
Locking a new "feature" into relying on me installing a toolbar is a GREAT way to make sure I don;t play with it.
- Rob La Gesse
ooh - I hear tension in the realms of Google :-)
- Jesse Stay
you would have to gather a set of wave changesets and then push that out via PSHB
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Rob: I'm sure they'll support it in Chrome too, eventually
- Ken Sheppardson
It's PSHB vs. Wave - who will win? :-)
- Jesse Stay
you guys are nuts :-)
- Loic Le Meur
Wave *IS* XMPP
- Ken Sheppardson
Loic is in the building :)
- Rob La Gesse
Loic it's Celine Dion isn't it? :-) (how's it going?)
- Jesse Stay
nope
- Loic Le Meur
Where's my Wave invitation?
- Francine Hardaway
The Wave protocol is just an extension of XMPP
- Ken Sheppardson
good try though
- Loic Le Meur
PSHB and Wave don't compete. They do different things. Othogonal. PSHB does *nothing* in the last-mile user interface space.
- Bob Wyman
Loic: thanks for filling infor me.
- Robert Scoble
dang - I'm going to figure it out one of these days
- Jesse Stay
Francine: don't worry, I don't have one either.
- Robert Scoble
oh robert, no thank YOU
- Loic Le Meur
XMPP is also nice in that completes the last mile.
- Mason Lee
I had a blast being you for 24 hours
- Loic Le Meur
Seemed like a good conference watching it on my iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
XMPP is great for "last mile" as well as for reasonable number of persistent connections on teh backend.
- Bob Wyman
Great conversation guys!
- Ben Hedrington
I LOVED Tony Robbins, I was expecting to hate him so that was a pleasant surprise, best speaker I have ever seen. Such a stage presence. amazing/
- Loic Le Meur
Great show, everyone
- Rob La Gesse
great show!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Enjoyed listening/watching
- Ankush Narula
Great discussion here. Thanks Brett, et al.
- Mason Lee
That was very good - thanks Steve
- Jesse Stay
thank you
- Hilary Talbot
/me is wondering why everyone thanks everyone
- Loic Le Meur
@Loic It's because we americans are so polite!
- Bob Wyman
Thanks, Loic, I was wondering that myself.
- Mason Lee
Errr... That was a joke.
- Bob Wyman
LOL
- Loic Le Meur
social networking
- Arnie Klaus
don't get me started
- Loic Le Meur
Good show Steve, thank you all for making the time.
- David Stratton
You rang?
- John Kalucki
Hey John! When are you going to be on the Gillmor Gang?
- Jesse Stay
quick - get Steve back on video - Twitter is here!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
John is in charge of Twitter's Streaming API, FYI
- Jesse Stay
I totally didn't realize John had a FriendFeed account - awesome
- Jesse Stay
I skimmed most of the conversation. I didn't see any explicit questions to respond to, or that haven't been addressed on the twitter-dev list about pubhub...
- John Kalucki
have you looked at PubSubHubbub John?
- Kevin Marks
As far as the Streaming API rules, we'll work on them. The user TOS and API rules just went out last week.
- John Kalucki
John - except that a lot of the folks who were asking don't regularly read the twitter dev list :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Let me find the link...
- John Kalucki
Heh :-)
- Jesse Stay
I'd just like to be able to standardize my code and not have to re-write for every new social network out there.
- Jesse Stay
But we've had this conversation. :-)
- Jesse Stay
how about activitystrea.ms support, John? You going to write the shim or do we have to?
- Kevin Marks
Activitystrea.ms support seems unlikely. A shim would probably be seen as syndication.
- John Kalucki
Overall, the direction is towards exposing more data types, more predicate types, and supporting more use cases. Format and protocol support, while making developer's lives easier, isn't as high priority as some of the proposed features we're considering.
- John Kalucki
That's too bad John - hard to be the "pulse of the internet" if you're not supporting open standards
- Jesse Stay
Hey JK! Welcome! How goes?
- Ken Sheppardson
Hey Ken. It goes. It goes.
- John Kalucki
Looks like we still have 27 viewers for a test pattern...
- Cliff Gerrish
I missed this shooooooot! need regular calendared events so i can add you guys to my schedule! :)
- Susan Beebe
This is the company I'll be working for: http://www.creative-assembly.co.uk/
Jay, Mike Chelen, Glenn Slaven and 40 other people liked this
Creative Assembly are a great company, expanding all the time, producing high quality games and add-ons. The are owned by Sega who bought them a few years ago.
- Kol Tregaskes
w00t! Congrats Kol. Send me a CD and I'll test the game for you! ;-)
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Congratulationsa kol :D
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Hehe, AJ. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks, Franc. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I just installed Empire: Total War yesterday! Fantastic game, I'm in love with the whole Total War series.
- Carlton Prest
Nice after so much time without one, I'm happy you found something stable, and in the gaming industry! GG Kol! Congrats for being employed, I shall make you officially blessed by great workplaces 9)
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Congrats Kol.
- Jimminy Fuller
congratulations indeed! Seems you're going just where you want to be :) Just dont neglect your photography!
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Congrats, Kol! Awesome.
- Micah Wittman
I'll try not to Joelle. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks, Micah.
- Kol Tregaskes
Congrats, Kol! Happy for you. :)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
++ Joelle.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Congratulations Kol :) I am happy that you got the job you wanted!
- Nia
Hopefully it's the beginning of something long term. I back down to a tester (though very happy to be so) but aiming to progress in the industry I love. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
do you know if are they looking for game designers?
- Federico [Kurai]
I think it's more programmers than designers they are after.
- Kol Tregaskes
always like that. Groan.
- Federico [Kurai]
Good onya!
- Will Higgins™
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Congratulations to your new job
- Marcel Janus
Congratulations..
- Safa Paksu (Spaksu)
Thanks guys! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Still buzzing about this. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Go right on buzzing, Kol, you should enjoy this opportunity. Congratulations.
- Polly Potter
I think I will, Polly. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
What's the benefit of posting random Internet site finds to Posterous rather than directly to FriendFeed?
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I don't see one.
- Derrick
Is this an example of people cheerleading a new site simply because it's new? No one has yet been able to give me one compelling reason to use it other than 'you'll know how awesome it is until you start using it'. Which isn't a horrible thing to say, really, as it's what I've been saying about Amazon Prime for years now.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Amazon Prime pays for itself; love it.
- RAPatton
Akiva, some people probably want to use a distribution channel rather than aggregating everything into one feed, Posterous is more comparable to ping.fm from what I've heard and seen.
- Jimminy Fuller
I've never been one to give into hype. And Amazon Prime is beyond awesome.
- Derrick
Guess that explains why I'm missing the boat on Posterous. I never saw the value of ping.fm either.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Don't you want your own site on your own domain that you can control?
- Garry Tan
Garry Tan: that's a great idea: unfortunately, that's not what Posterous is. Personally, Tumblr is more awesome anyway: does everything Posterous does, plus it has themes and a really cool dashboard. If you want to know why one should use Tumblr, it's for the community. It attracts a different set of people who express themselves not in discussions, but via photography, video, and...
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- Mark Trapp
I actually can't see any pressing advantage in using Posterous/Tumblr instead of Friendfeed.
- Gladstone
Mark, you mean like this: http://missymace.tumblr.com/post... ? (but granted, there's only one ROFL, not 80). But the community - be it posterous, tumblr, friendfeed or something else - is in large part what you cultivate it to be.
- Micah Wittman
I love how Mark just told the creator of Posterous, why he should use Tumblr. LOL'N.
- Jimminy Fuller
Jimminy: hey, I'm just keeping the short-form blogging real, but the Tumblr remark was to Akiva, not Garry. It's especially odd to have the creator of Posterous say that his product is something that people can control, more-so than FriendFeed. It's on Posterous servers. What happens if Posterous goes away? You're scrambling just like people are scrambling on FriendFeed. Unless there's...
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- Mark Trapp
Mark I guess I should have made it clear I agree with you I just think it's funny you suggested to him that he should use Tumblr, even if you didn't know who he was, he doesn't have that info in his Bio here afterall.
- Jimminy Fuller
No problem, Jimminy: there's a few different things getting tossed around, and I wasn't clear as to who I was directing with my comment. There's the concept of short-form blogging in general, Tumblr vs. Posterous, and the concept that somehow Posterous gives you more control than FriendFeed. I think short-form blogging has value for the communities that crop up around them based on a...
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- Mark Trapp
Garry Tan's the creator of Posterous and that's the best response he can come up with to my question?
- Akiva Moskovitz
I use Posterous when I'm feeling lazy and want to send the same pic to FF, FB and Flickr.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Akiva, sad isn't it.
- Jimminy Fuller
We have ping.fm, we have tumblr, we have posterous, there's also that site where you can draw pipes with text-manip (someone help me with its name)... Too many rebroadcast services, let me tell you. And indeed Mark has a point: What if that site disappears? Which is why I stick to rebroadcast services that doesn't pretend to be storing your postings (ping.fm). That way, I won't be using its facilities too much and put in some irreplaceable things in it.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
from fftogo
Pixelpipe is better, no fooling around with email. I don't see the virtue in a system that depends on archaic technologies to run.
- Matthew DeVries
I've messed around with Posterous and Tumblr as blogging platforms (which never really worked for me 'cause I really don't blog) but what has me looking at it again is the idea that I can use it as sort of a gateway or client. I can post everything to Posterous, have it selectively forward content out to the appropriate site (e.g. pictures to Flickr, everything to FF for conversation), and have *everything* go to a self-hosted WordPress instance for archiving.
- Ken Sheppardson
Last I checked, Matthew, all of this runs on electricity which is pretty bloody archaic itself. In other words, just because a tool is old doesn't mean it's worthless. E-mail is, for me, still a primary technology and its the first thing I look at every morning.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Is that before or after you use the outhouse and tip the milk man?
- Matthew DeVries
Tip the milk man? Are you nuts? I have a cow that I milk my damn self.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Ah, you looking to buy a DeSoto or Studebaker next year?
- Matthew DeVries
I think that we've taken this far enough. [looks stern]
- Akiva Moskovitz
You look stern, I'll look forward, cap'n
- Mistletoe Glen
While "email" might be archaic, SMTP's still a pretty darn good way to do "federated asynchronous content distribution" or whatever the kids want to call it these days. It's not like you have fire up some old TRS-80 or PET or something to use it... Gmail's just another web UI just like Twitter, FriendFeed, or Pixelpipe
- Ken Sheppardson
23 Skidoo, gotcha, *runs off to check the Boston Brave's scores*
- Matthew DeVries
i use posterous to reach ppl that i found through posterous, then it goes to tumblr, then to here, example of my web of the www, :/
- chaz2b
++ Ken... email is universal, very few other technologies can make that claim. With FriendFeed's future uncertain, people are looking for other outlets for containing their content. Posterous can be used like a mini-blog (similar to Tumblr), like a ping-fm (though not a fan myself of blasting identical content to multiple outlets), themes, fine-grained email control of posting, etc. Very nice feature set you can put on your own domain.
- LogEx
It's like a good ol' days FF reunion in this thread. :D
- Micah Wittman
It tells you how many hits you have. You can attach google analytics without having to have your own domain. That's about it. I am using it just to see what it can do. Been a couple of weeks so far. Oh, and I can't wait to use "LOL! ROFLMAO! HAHAHAAHA!" on one of Trapp's posts.
- Josh Haley
As far as I can see, Posterous is just Yet Another Prehosted Blog Platform. Like Tumblr, WordPress.com, Blogger, half a dozen others... they're all just variations on a theme. Posterous may have some interesting features, but in the end it all comes down to one thing: your content is in the control of somebody else. I'm not much down with that for stuff that I'd like to publish under my own name.
- Otto
Guys, I appreciate the feedback. Listen, we built Posterous to solve our own problems as bloggers and photographers, and we're thrilled that it solves some problems for other people too. There are lots of other solutions out there. We're passionate about email because its what two billion people on this planet have and use. There are only 200 million blogs. There are only 300 million...
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- Garry Tan
Akiva, to your original question, there's benefit to having a site that holds just your random internet finds and nothing else. You can browse them by how recently you posted them rather than how recently someone commented on them. You can also browse through by tag. FriendFeed doesn't give you a list of hashtags you've used.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
There are 20 births per 1000 people world wide. So there are 2 of every 100 people I want to use http://bebepool.com :) So out of 7 Billion, I'm only asking for about 140 Million.
- Micah Wittman
In a lot of ways Posterous is the opposite of Friendfeed. Friendfeed is a single place that everyone goes to to see peoples' aggregated feeds. Posterous is a single place that a user collects or posts items that then can get distributed to many places (Twitter, Facebook, etc) including to followers via email. Posterous is distributor, FF is a collector. Both have social interaction...
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- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Posterous is probably not the best tool for experienced bloggers or "serious" web users, but it does an incredible job of lowering the barriers to web publishing for a whole range of people. Imagine being a technological novice and trying to post a Youtube video or a Google Map into a blog post. The brackets around "embed" would be enough to scare you off. Posterous makes all that stuff completely intuitive. A nice, quick review is here. http://www.opposableplanets.com/future...
- Nathan Rein
Hmm... The ease of posting pictures IMO deserves some checking out, then :-)
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
from fftogo
Yesterday, I tweeted: 80% of stuff on Posterous I see is just copy-paste from other sites.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
I've not found the best use of Posterous yet. I've posted a few randoms to it. Mainly shares from other articles or my photos. The hits come in slowly but surely though.
- Kol Tregaskes
I can see the value of Posterous as "mini-blog/distributor", and FriendFeed as "discussion/aggregator". I think this is where a true self-hosted lifestream app comes into play. I would love to see how others map out their "social media workflow" as Ken has done. More connections to more services, to me, simply makes the system redundant and confusing.
- Allan Besselink
I'm using Posterous to post pictures to several services simultaneously. Right now, FF, Flickr, and Posterous itself. Unless you're talking about just posting text links to things. I guess that's different. EDIT: Okay, yeah, you're talking about something slightly different. I got a bit defensive there for a minute. I've gotta RTFT.
- Kamilah Gill
@Alan: That's what I've been exhorting some people here in FF to do: Map the information flow of one's updates/postings/whathaveyous. To be fair, I myself haven't been successful in pushing myself to do one >_<
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
from fftogo
Pandu: when you put a workflow on paper, you realize how much duplication/redundancy there is! I know there are a lot of great options for sharing, lifestreaming, aggregating, distributing ... but I think it's become more about "stuff" than it is about "effective workflow".
- Allan Besselink
Pandu, Allan: I had optimized my social data flow very nicely (http://skeptic.skepticgeek.com/2009...). Then FB acquired FF, I decided to try Posterous, and everything got messed up. :)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Mahendra, good stuff and thanks for sharing. I like the way you've put in "manual" vs "RSS". A tough optimization process, indeed!
- Allan Besselink
I'm feeling quite lonely on FriendFeed. I have far fewer comments on entries I post nowadays (and has been dropping slowly since the buy-out - any connection?). What am I doing wrong?
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Too many Google Reader shares?
- Kol Tregaskes
dunno.. I've never had much in the way of responses to my posts, so I haven't noticed any drop or increase ;)
- alphaxion
It seems a bit slow sometimes. Kind of dwindling down to a core of FF addicts ...
- Laura Norvig
Are you subscribing to new people, Kol? While there might be a slow down of some of the regulars, I'm still seeing lots of new faces around here.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
It has been a little slow lately. I hope it's just a little sag.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
I see the usual suspects are still around, perhaps they are not as active as before.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ditto on alphaxion's comment.
- Andrei M. Marinescu
Tina, yep subbing to new people all the time, though they appear to come and go and not regular users.
- Kol Tregaskes
Alphaxion, I was surprised to see that I'm not subscribed to you. Thanks for your comments about my dead motherboard yesterday.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
I think a number the old timers have shifted off and scaled back since the buy out, but there are a ton of new users, and you may want to reach out to them.
- RAPatton
it just seems like since the notice of FB taking over the ppl on here decreased 10 fold.
- clarke thomas
I've noticed the same (I figured people just got sick of me talking about my UPS guy LOL), it definitely seems like things are slow at the moment, but that happens occasionally. The only reason I'm really around right now myself is that I'm not at work.
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
Roberto, yep I'm still subbing to lots of new people but they appear to be less regular.
- Kol Tregaskes
Could be a combination of things. If I've commented on a Google share, I probably won't comment again here. Some of the most active users definitely have scaled back their interactions though. Perhaps they are just hedging their bets by trying out other options. Of course it could just be a slow month. Lot of people were on vacation then had to go back to school.
- Eoghann Irving
i'm still here.
- Mike Nencetti
Good to hear, Mike. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I definitely haven't noticed a slow down exactly, but it does seem....different around here. I've always tried to be everywhere at once, so I don't think I'm spending any less time here. I guess people that were on the fence about FF may have just ditched it when they heard about the buyout?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Facebook didn't care for Friendfeed's user base, but for its founders, they probably wouldn't miss us and even consider many 'destabilizing' elements
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
@ha3rvey no probs... also noticed I wasn't sub'd to you either
- alphaxion
Eoghann, could be but there is definitely a lot of activity on FF just a lot less interaction on my posts. Hmmm, oh well. I thought it was me. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I think it's easy to over-analyze these things. It could be that you're just posting boring stuff I guess, but I get almost no interaction on my posts at all, so what does that say? ;)
- Eoghann Irving
So I'm boring now?
- Kol Tregaskes
Yup, stunningly dull. Nobody cares what you have to say. That's why you've had next to no response on this post...
- Eoghann Irving
Oh well better give up now then.
- Kol Tregaskes
It's slower overall. Glad your still here. :)
- Eric Logan
I don't contribute here as much as I used, but only because I'm so busy. I still drop in every day though.
- Martin Bryant
Thanks, Eric. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
One thing to keep in mind is that some posts just don't need a response (from me at least). I appreciate your posts on tennis, but rarely feel the need to comment on those.
- Eoghann Irving
Martin, I'm here a lot less for the same reason.
- Kol Tregaskes
The lag time for me, comes from those few moments each day when I actually have to do some work. Granted, those moments are few, and sometimes far-between, but they do exist. And so if my lack of quick snarkyness has contributed to your current feeling of blues, then please know that i will try my best to slack with greater enthusiasm
- Morgan Haley
Eoghann, I realise all this but there is definitely a big drop in comments/likes on posts. Oh well.
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, thanks, Morgan. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
And for anyone snickering under their Funyun-infused breath, Yes. I do actually do some work each day. So there.
- Morgan Haley
Yeah, I've definitely noticed a drop from my previous high of one comment/one like per 100 posts! Now it's closer to one comment/one like per 250 posts! ;o)
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Kol, because I see less activity on FriendFeed, I am now moving all of my subs to my home feed. And I think with the decreased activity, it's even more difficult for newbies to get into the mainstream FF.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Ever since Robert Scoble brought me here during his big unfollow over on twitter, I've been very much a regular at FF. I've even brought some new people here myself, usually during Jason Pollock live chats. I *have* noticed some dropoff in activity since the FB takeover (all the FB haters left), and hardly anybody's even noticed my own feed, it seems...
- Dennis Jernberg
I enjoy your posts Kol,but I am not a natural contributer in this,more of a reader.I've been trying to spend more time on facebook,but I just dont enjoy being there as much as twitter,flickr and friendfeed.
- Paul Downing
Dennis: I see you very active on Twitter and am following you much better there.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
I hope the person who have supposed to have left FF come back. It's not going anywhere for a while yet. Hopefully it will never go away but hat's wishful thinking. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Did your account die? I could have sworn I was following you, but (until a second ago) I wasn't. Maybe you shed some followers due to technical difficulties.
- Will Higgins™
I've seen a decrease in activity, some of the people I'm subscribed to seem to be using FF only for streaming their stuff now and I reckon they don't come here very often. I've been using other services myself but I still spend time on FF but not as much as before as there is less to keep here.
- M F
I've not been in here myself quite so much the last 2-3 weeks as I've been real busy with work. That's a good thing, so I'm not complaining, but of course only so many hours in the day!
- Ian May
Will, I've never moved and not shedded any subscribers. Odd. Thanks for following me again though. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Awful Programming Advice - http://bramcohen.livejournal.com/69753...
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"Subclassing is not an end in and of itself, it's a technique which is occasionally handy. And I'll let you in on a little secret - I personally almost never use subclassing. It's not that I one day decided that subclassing is bad and that one should avoid it, it's that as I got better at coming up with simple designs I wound up using it less and less, until eventually I almost stopped using it entirely. Subclassing is, quite simply, awkward. Any design which uses subclassing should be treated with skepticism. Any design which requires subclassing across encapsulation boundaries should be assumed to be a disaster."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
I tend to agree, at least about the "subclassing is generally bad" part.
- Paul Buchheit
especially true in duck typed languages where you don't need subclassing for polymorphism
- Karl Rosaen
"Occasionally handy" sounds spot on to me. OO languages often lead people to overemphasize inheritance.
- Bruce Lewis
Subclassing seems to be necessary when you are using a library of third party components in a non-duck-typed language and you encounter requirements that one of your components doesn't support. Sucks when it happens, but what else are you supposed to do?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Meh. I disagree, but only provisionally. Subclassing examples are uniformly bad. Subclassing in practice tends to be bad because it's done either a) by newbs or b) by people who've not written lots of OOP, or c) by people who've never had to maintain anything. I've written plenty of good cases of subclasses, which turned out to be extremely handy. The problem with subclassing is that...
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- Otto
Otto++
- Claudio Cicali ♋
I think one should be careful to separate sub-typing from subclassing, and interface inheritance vs implementation inheritance, and also virtual dispatch (C++/Java) vs multimethods vs Haskell-style typeclasses. Subclassing as a notion is too broad to apply a brush with all the cons. Implementation inheritance, for example, is usually used to save delegation boilerplate and allow 'hooks'...
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- Ray Cromwell
I noticed that implementation inheritance is explicitly excluded from noop: http://code.google.com/p/noop/. I do find it amusing that the language which might have actually had the "best" design for OO programing was Visual Basic..
- Nick Lothian
Otto, I would use "subclassing User objects based on login method" as a good example of misusing inheritance. What if Users vary in other ways, are you going to create subtypes of each one? The login method should not determine the type of user, but should probably be its own object (with a generic login interface perhaps).
- Paul Buchheit
I think standard OODA principles (which are rarely followed) would advise against putting responsibility for knowing how to log in on a User object. Login code must typically be privileged and depending on security mode (sandboxed vs capability based) you wouldn't necessarily want privileged code inside of user, which is likely an object that has many consumers.
- Ray Cromwell
As much as I generally avoid subclassing, the one place where I used it most effectively was a Shape class that I wrote for a vector drawing program. I didn't have a Square class, but you can be damn sure that Ellipse and Rectangle were closely related -- the only difference is the Paint() method! And why wouldn't RoundedRect be a subclass of Rectangle?
- Gabe
I don't do a lot of OO programming, but last year I was teaching a python for linguists class, and we did cover OO some. I used an example of a bird class, with a subclass for penguins, in which the fly() method was overwritten. Is this example just as bad as the rectangle and square? Do people agree with the comment that a subclass should have all the same properties as the parent class (specifically that width = height for a square, but not a rectangle)?
- Robert Felty
Rob, I tend to think that subclassing is good for when you want to describe an object that's just like some other object, just with a few differences. Why write a whole new Square class? Just take a Rectangle and override Height and Weight to make sure they're always the same.
- Gabe
If I were teaching beginners, I would just tell them to not use subclassing. People learning to program should focus on learning to program, not learning a set of language features.
- Paul Buchheit
SICP agrees with you, Paul.
- Bruce Lewis
Would you teach them to use objects and interfaces?
- Cristo
Not to start with, but certainly before subclassing.
- Paul Buchheit
If you were teaching beginners, why would the word subclassing ever enter into their vocabulary?
- Gabe
I'd tell them to start with Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs :)
- Ray Cromwell
But Ray, that book uses a weird language, Scheme. Would you use a web site written using Scheme?
- Bruce Lewis
^Is that even possible? LOL did Scheme in freshman year, hated it
- LANjackal
The Syracuse University CS program used Scheme as the first course back in the early 80s. it was an interesting choice. They also used the first edition of Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, so that's probably why.
- Cristo
I'm still waiting for Ray's answer. If Scheme is such a good language for thinking about programming, would you use a web site written with it?
- Bruce Lewis
I think these days Python would be a good learning language, combined with a text like Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs using Python.
- Cristo
Article claims: "Taken literally, it would never make sense to make a full-blown class for such a trivial piece of functionality. There simply would be more lines of code taken up making declarations than could possibly be saved by convenience." That seems likely to be untrue if you have a program which uses a lot of Squares. So: the article's case seems pretty feeble.
- Tim Tyler
I like the book SICP not because of Lisp/Scheme, but because of the way it incrementally attacks programming problems. Truthfully, it can be taught using any language, although some are more concise than others, and stuff like C pointers and manual memory allocation obscure some algorithms.
- Ray Cromwell
Ray, I was trying to trick you into agreeing to use http://ourdoings.com/ but you didn't fall for it. Curses, foiled again.
- Bruce Lewis
Really, it's hard to imagine a better programming language for beginners than Python. In particular, Python programs do what it looks like they should do, and you don't have to waste time hunting for missing brackets or semicolons.
- Gabe
Paul, users are actually a good example because your users tend to not vary a lot from one to another in many ways. They always have the same fields, etc. Generally speaking, of course. Also, the login method is an important way to separate user types because different methods require different approaches to keep the user "logged in" sometimes, and also might require differing inputs...
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- Otto
from iPhone
@Gabe BASIC, COBOL, and FORTRAN? :) I think human beings being very visual creatures, and visual feedback providing pleasing stimulus, some language deeply integrated with graphics is probably best for first language, ala turtle graphics or EToys.
- Ray Cromwell
Ray: Python is also good because it doesn't have arcane syntax (like COBOL and FORTRAN). I agree that BASIC is a great language for beginners, but it's just too old. If you modernized BASIC, I think you'd come up with something like Python.
- Gabe
MIT recently switched to Python for their into programming courses (I think from Scheme). I like "Think Python" as a nice introduction to programming. Best of all, the book is open source (written in LaTeX) http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpy...
- Robert Felty
You can make a good case multiple inheritance is bad, but subclassing is such an integral part of OO languages like Java and C++ that I can't see any way you should avoid or discourage its use. You can argue when you should teach it to new programmers, but any experienced programmer developing any non trivial architecture or API should be making extensive use of it in the right places. Its a primary mechanism for code reuse, maintainability and consist behavior. Reference Cocoa, Android, Qt...
- Ed Millard
No one has mentioned Smalltalk/Squeak as a teaching language. These languages are very nice for teaching because of the way the runtime image is integrated with the IDE as a kind of persistent database. People can write code to tickle objects, inspect anything, and see immediate results. EToys is a classic example of what you can do.
- Ray Cromwell
I think a good amount of problems (with subclassing) comes from the packages/modules system and importing classes from other packages/modules creating on the long run messy dependencies between modules (and violating module isolation); I find Gilad Bracha's Newspeak an interesting take on this problem, you can read...
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- Marco Fabbri
Otto's example has a baked-in assumption that each user only has one login method, whereas (as FriendFeed shows) having multiple login methods for a given user is an advantage. If you subclass for login method, you make it very hard to support logging in the same user in different ways...
- Kevin Marks
tornado's auth example uses subclassing :) but actually, it looks like it's designed so, using multiple inheritance in python, you can mixin multiple auth types? http://github.com/faceboo... another reason why this issue isn't so cut and dry :)
- Karl Rosaen
Kevin: Not at all. You can have the same user with multiple login methods. That's the beauty of it. You're storing the login methodology separate from the underlying user in that manner. I've done this before, it works fine for any number of login methods, on all users. The one you instantiate is just which way they used to login that particular time. If they login differently, you...
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- Otto
actually, no, looks like tornado auth is intended to mix *one* auth mechanism in, but as Otto mentions, you could do this for the appropriate instance
- Karl Rosaen
@robert felty, thanks for the link to the open source python book. I'm learning more about it now.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
@lanjackal I'm a fellow engineer and number crunchers of almost 14 years. My coworkers are split between Matlab and C++ for default implementations. Three of us use both pretty regularly (although I lean towards c++). I prefer faster construction, flexibility, and execution of c++ and the libraries we've fashioned. Matlab has superior visualization tools but takes FOREVER to run anything intensive.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
The difference in creating Rectangle and Square classes vs creating methods to create square and rectangle in a polygon class is that in latter you do an Object Oriented Analysis first, rather than pushing your own limited knowledge of system requirements (like you think of a requirement for rectangles and squares but don't think about entire system) into design
- thequark
Earth's oceans had warmest summer on record [USATODAY] "62.5 degrees, 1 degree above the 20th-century average" - http://www.usatoday.com/weather...
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Question: why does Facebook have 300 million users and is never down but Twitter has 45 million and is down many times a day? People at #TC50 are noticing this too. Will Facebook use this to get into the "real time public" game?
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I don't think it the number of people, I think is the number of hits/per time. Then again, it might be the IT people. Unless you are hitting Facebook every minute, you may not notice any downtime.
- W. Kirk Crawford
Something is wrong with Twitter's structure. They need better engineers!
- Eugene Teng
Kirk: I totally disagree. Twitter has always been going down, even in the good old days when no one used it.
- Robert Scoble
also, how many apps/web services are connecting to and slurping data from twitter compared to facebook?
- alphaxion
Facebook may never be "down" per se but it is *frequently* completely unusable. I don't think anyone should be looking to FB as the paragon of reliability.
- Kevin Pedraja
alphaxion: that is a big deal, yes, but I can tell you the usage on Facebook is many times higher than for Twitter. Length on site numbers are higher too. Most Twitter users don't even use Twitter and that's provable.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: I'm using both a LOT and I can tell you that it's a rare day I can't get to Facebook but that happens almost every day on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
I have seen facebook down. Not near as much as Twitter.
- Dan Krivolavek
I suspect a lot of it has to do with back end architecture.
- Eoghann Irving
which means they might not have invested as much into the standard web interface servers. How often does access between the off site services and twitter go down?
- alphaxion
I think Facebook was smart and managed it's growth. They're architecture was able to adapt as they grew. I think Twitter would be smart to stop trying to patch the system and build a whole new Twitter 2.0.
- ChiliMac
When Facebook was young and only open to college students, it definitely went down. It's just that no one but college students (who didn't care) noticed. Twitter doesn't have that going for it.
- Jordan Hofker
money
- Richard Hill
Twitter is broken. If they don't build a 2.0 version, sooner or later something better will replace them.
- Eugene Teng
Twitter is dead to me.
- Dan Krivolavek
Jordan, Twitter is not "young" anymore. That excuse flew the coop a while ago. Their infrastructure is broken, plain and simple.
- Chieze Okoye
Richard has a big part of it. Facebook has bought an amazing amount of hardware resources. But they've also hired a lot of quality people and done a lot of quality work to make use of those resources. It all works together.
- Todd Hoff
FB may not be 'down' much, but it's been moving like molasses for the last year for me, lite isn't much better. I don't know much about the api traffic for either, but I'd bet twitter has more from that side, just a guess though.
- John
I do not know about you Robert, but sometimes Facebook is being a 'biotch' to me and times out at various times of day and nite. Twitter, I believe is going through some huge growing pains. I hope they get bigger pants soon.
- Nile Flores
Robert, maybe you get access to the VIP Facebook, but I find that several times a month it will do things like log me out every 2 minutes, won't let me access apps, etc. Sure you can log in and maybe see your feed, but that's about it.
- Kevin Pedraja
actually, oddly enough, my GF's profile on facebook is currently telling everyone "sorry this profile is unavailable right now". Looks like they still have issues ;)
- alphaxion
I am curious what Twitter does with their time and money.
- Kreg Steppe
This might be the result of the launching of the site time... Facebook earlier than Twitter!!
- Arijit Das
'cause Twitter only picked up engineers that knew how to write scalable applications with their Summize acquisition - and they've been playing catch-up ever since.
- Mike Koss
...because only a tiny fraction of FB's "users" actually use it frequently enough to crash it? just a guess...
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People have already settled for Facebook's near real-time activity stream. Twitter will always have a place as a comm channel but the majority of those 300 million FB users are fine with checking in once or twice a day to see what their friends are up to. I would like to see stats on how many stale Twitter accounts there are vs. Facebook.
- Dave Evans
It got to do with the frequency of access. People who tweet and are active in tweeting do it all the time. It is not the same with Facebook.
- Gokul
Are those respective numbers for 'active within last 30 days'. Registrations are meaningless. That's why LinkedIn is always up. Everyone has an account but no-one actually uses it.
- Andy C
how many of these 300 million are actually active ?
- Peter Dawson
Don't know about FB but 6 million folk are active daily on Twitter. Source: http://www.mediadeluge.com/post...
- Andy C
Facebook is often unusable at certain times of the day. Typically just after everyone gets into the office. It is certainly not a paragon of reliability from the users perspective. And 300 million people don't all access it at once. If they did............no carrier
- Gilbert Harding
twitter search has value. fb search? NONE.
- Phil Calvin
Good point Phil.
- Gilbert Harding
Maybe that IS why facebook should keep out of realtime stuff. It is less hassle to their systems. But I find facebook chat slow and unresponsive :) Neither is perfect... that is good. It means there is much more work to do :)
- DC Crowley
I have also found that the real time chat on Facebook is slow. I think they would have similar problems if there were as many developers creating ways to update on facebook. Cluster f#(K -cs ostini
- Christopher Scott Ostini
Peter: Facebook says that the 300 million number are people who've logged in over the past month. Most of whom are also active daily. I live with a Facebook addict. She's on it multiple times a day and so are all of her friends.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook has smarter engineers at the top that listen to the even smarter engineers at the bottom.
- Jesse Stay
.LAG, your reason doesn't fly - over half of those 300 million users log in at least once a day, and that doesn't even include the near 1 million apps that are also hitting Facebook on a regular basis.
- Jesse Stay
BTW, I don't see Twitter openly sharing that type of traffic information - kinda makes me wonder about Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
And Phil, have you tried Facebook search recently? It is becoming more and more valuable every day.
- Jesse Stay
*never* down? http://friendfeed.com/jeffdou...
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
It may also be a matter of function with scale. Facebook has many functions all of which are more than likely different scalable solutions: photo sharing, chat, etc. Twitter has a much smaller set. When taking 300M users in FB how does that break down to function vs. Twitter. It may be that the concentration around function is higher in Twitter's case than FaceBook. So if FB has say 40...
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- Altan Khendup
Robert, I understand the 'addict' state :)- while on the topic, I thought, I'll share this link to the community http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archive...
- Peter Dawson
After this discussion, I have noticed some issues with Facebook. Slow updates. Uploading hiccups. General functionality breaks at times. Of course, I still have access to it.
- Paul Puri
I think that's the biggest difference. It's rare for Facebook to be "down". Individual components yes, but not the entire site. With Twitter it tends to be all or nothing.
- Eoghann Irving
Yeah, Facebook's architecture is much more modularized. If one thing goes down it doesn't take down everything else. They also have many, many more servers managing it all and a much more mature Memcached backend. That, and they have a much smarter engineering staff managing it all. There are definitely slow spots, but they always correct after a short time, and you never see the entire site down. It's probably the reason Facebook is now profitable and Twitter isn't.
- Jesse Stay
I'm also willing to bet Facebook is doing Unit Testing on their launches, where I'm pretty sure Twitter isn't (based on the things that break after launches)
- Jesse Stay
Tired of twidroid crashing on searches and direct messages I upgraded to twidroid pro, which crashes just as predictably. Bugger.
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Looks like Google asked for and got a patent on reading lists. So much for not being evil. They didn't invent it, FYI. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi...
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@davewiner only evil if they start suing people
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
So why not sue them for prior art? I don't see what's evil about protecting your inventions.
- Jesse Stay
OMG.
- Paola Bonomo
BING!
- Jimminy Fuller
Amazing how, throughout history, the inventor and the patent holder are often different folks.
- Kurt Starnes
No, they are evil for stealing an idea and SAYING they invented it. A patent is a legal representation that you CREATED something unique. Google KNOW they didn't create reading lists, so patenting it is a form of fraud. Whether they sue or not is irrelevant.
- Sean Kaye
What if they truly think they invented it? That's what the legal system is for. I'm not saying Dave's not right, nor am I saying Google's right. I'm just saying this type of thing is exactly what patents are for.
- Jesse Stay
WTF? not sure how that's going to be enforceable! maybe it was just an evil phase they were going through.
- Chris Myles
I saw a bunch of different things mentioned (fine-grained privacy options related to tags, imaginary users represented as criteria/rules/filters)--to claim that it's "reading lists" is a gross overgeneralization. Dave, are you genuinely saying that Google is evil because of one patent application? What would you propose--that Google never file for any patents?
- Matt Cutts
I'm going to agree with Matt here Dave. This is not a patent on reading lists. I'm up for a longer discussion tomorrow.
- Jason Shellen
^-- Jason Shellen is listed as one of the inventors on the patent, so I'll gently back out now and leave it to Jason to decide if he wants to discuss it in more detail. :)
- Matt Cutts
@mattcutts I don't think most of the commenters have read/understood the patent application, I know I haven't
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Figuring out my fall TV schedule - is it just me, or are there extremely few new interesting-looking shows this year? There's a couple of new crime procedurals, three or four new doctor shows, and a few dumb-looking sitcoms. I think Flash Forward, V, and Glee are the only new ones I'm even going to try. What's everyone else watching?
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I'm looking forward to Community, but probably just because I love Joel McHale.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Glee is great. Haven't decided what other new shows to give a chance.
- Herb Hernandez
from iPhone
I'm with you on Glee.
- Trish Haley
Here's my schedule. https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc... A lot of the shows will probably drop off, especially if I miss a few along the way (that's what happened to House/Bones/Grey's/Ugly Betty/Desperate Housewives last year).
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Looking forward to Community, as well. I'm still not sold on Glee, but I'll give it a few more episodes before deciding whether or not I'll stick with it. And I feel like I should netflix the old V before watching the new one since my memories of the original are rather vague. I remember loving it, though.
- Type Micah
The only new shows I'm thinking about are Trauma and NCIS: L.A. Maybe V but I'm scared they're gonna mess it up. A lot of the new shows I tend to save for summer viewing, once I know they've been picked up for a 2nd season. I really hate to get attached to a show and have it pulled mid-season. Looking forward to House, HIMYM, BBT, and Ugly Betty. NCIS and CSI: Vegas I catch online on...
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- pea
TWOP's list of 'best new shows' is painfully short. http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show...
- Andrew C
I might have to look closer at Community. Mostly I was looking at it as "that show that I'm blaming for 30 Rock not starting this week." Which is probably inaccurate; 30 Rock always starts later, for some reason. I haven't seen the old V and I'm willfully ignoring it, just like I willfully ignored the original BSG. :) I guess I got kinda spoiled with several sci-fi-ish shows last year,...
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- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
V scared the heebie jeebies out of me the first go around. I kind of don't want to ruin that memory. So much so that I've been putting off the V marathon a friend wants to hold.
- pea
I put my favs in a blog post on my site http://bryansays.com Stargate Universe looks promising too.
- Bryan Lee
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Bryan, we've got really similar picks. I've given up on Heroes, though. Stopped watching it early this season and haven't really been sorry at all. I'd gotten to the point where I was dreading watching it every week. Re: Stargate Universe. I've not watched any of the Stargate series (but I have seen the movie) - sounds like you're in the same situation, though. I've been meaning to. A...
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- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Definitely Glee (this is probably going to be a favorite) and Flash Forward. I really just want to be able to keep up with returning shows.
- Lis Miller
Mostly anxious for HIMYM, Southland (I think that's coming back...) and House if only to see how permanent this new angle is.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Where did you pull the show info from? Was there one source or did you just do a bunch of info gathering?
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Jon, I pulled the schedules from FutonCritic (www.futoncritic.com), the episode titles from Epguides (www.epguides.com), then checked hulu, TV.com, and CBS.com to try and see which ones were going to be available online. Some of the new shows I couldn't tell yet whether they'd be online or not.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I am pretty excited about V and Stargate Universe. Aside from those it looks like I'll be catching up on my reading.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
I almost forgot about The Cleveland Show. Looking forward to that, as well.
- Type Micah
Oh, yeah, I didn't mention The Cleveland Show. I'm honestly not looking forward to it that much - the promos I've see have not impressed me. But the head animator is a friend of mine, so I have to at least give it a chance and hope it's better than it looks!
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Why watch anything? If it is good they will just cancel it.
- Mark Horne
Better to have watched half (or a quarter) of a good season than not watched anything.
- Andrew C
Yeah, Mark, but if I don't watch then I can't get angry with them when they cancel it. :) Plus, the fact that they renewed Dollhouse gives me some amount of hope. Andrew, I do sometimes wonder - in one way, yeah, part of a good season is better than none, but I've got to try hard not to get too invested because I just end up staying bitter at the networks for too long. Firefly's cancellation pretty much broke me for a long time. And I'm already missing Sarah Connor Chronicles like whoa.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Pssh. I've watched Andy Barker, PI, Miss/Guided, Arrested Development, Pushing Daisies, Life, Andy Richter Controls the Universe, TSCC, Karen Sisco, Dirty Sexy Money*, Action... all good-to-great shows. And if I'd been skittish, I would also have missed out on 30 Rock, Better off Ted, Chuck, Scrubs (went 8 seasons, but it's never been a breakout hit and it seemed like it was always...
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- Andrew C
About the cancellation thing - I once said to Jandy "would you rather have the 13 episodes of Firefly or none at all?" Easy answer;)
- Lis Miller
But I think I would rather have seen them all on DVD after it was all said and done rather than go through the rescheduling and the not knowing and the hoping and the cutting off before the episodes all aired. But I also can't just wait for everything on DVD because then when something does get cancelled I feel like I contributed to the low viewership (even though I know I really didn't; I don't have a Nielsen box).
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
That's like saying who needs cookies when you have ice cream. Both good, both fun, and I enjoy both. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Jandy, Ya SCC was just starting to get good at the end there. It took a while to find its barrings. Some say they just put out the show to lead up to the movie.
- Bryan Lee
Why are all the dramas about cops, doctors, or lawyers? There has to be drama in other professions. Although, remember the Mark-Paul Gosselaar vechicle Hyperion Bay? That was a drama about a video game software startup, and it was terrible.
- Andy Bakun
Andy, I know, right? And then they try to make it interesting by going "oh, it's not doctors, it's first-response EMTs, or it's nurses" or "oh, it's not cops, it's missing persons investigators, or it's witness protection agents." But really, when it comes down to it, it's the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I actually quite like the existing procedurals, but I feel like we don't need more of them.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
@Andy - I'd only vaguely heard of Hyperion Bay. I see it was a WB series, back when they (now the CW) had relatively high production values on their dramas but generally terrible writing. And as to procedurals, Pushing Daisies was kind of a crime procedural. A super-weird one, but still. Top-notch writing and production values, but no ratings.
- Andrew C
Andrew: Bryan Fuller the creator of Pushing Daisies, Dead Like Me, and Wonderfalls is back on Heroes and I hope he can revive the show once again. What did you think of Pushing Daisies? I loved the first season but couldn't get into the second. The second season was kinda up and down for me.
- Bryan Lee
Holy Smoke, This Cosplayer Looks Like FFVII's Cloud Strife [Screengrab] - http://kotaku.com/5360388...
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Didn't September just begin? How is it halfway over already?
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It'll be Christmas soon... ;)
- Eoghann Irving
Target has some Christmas stuff out already. Ugh.
- Michelle Martinez
Oh hush. Although I'm hoping Christmas (or New Year's) in NOLA so maybe that's not so bad.
- Jason Toney
This is what I'm saying, Jason. Time is on fast forward.
- Yolanda
I said the SAME thing yesterday.
- Nurse Katie
crazy right? lightning speed.
- Melissa
February has a greater friction quotient. September's is pure oil, so it easily slides by:)
- Roney Smith
Thirty days have September, April, June, and November. All the rest have 31, save January and February, which each have 84.
- Ladybug Heather
April is the cruellest month - and March. No National Holidays.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Happy New Year!!! =D
- David Cook
Obama's first Somalia strike hits Al Qaeda suspect | csmonitor.com - http://www.csmonitor.com/2009...
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"The killing of an accused senior Al Qaeda militant in Somalia yesterday could help to sever Al Qaeda's link to militants taking refuge in Somalia. But it could also stir up more unrest in a country that is already fighting a low-level civil war, pushing Islamist militants toward retaliation against what they perceive to be American targets, including the weak, Western-backed Somalian government. US commandos killed Kenyan national Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan in a helicopter raid against Mr. Nabhan's convoy, as it traveled through the Barawe district in southern Somalia. Nabhan has been on the US wanted list since 1996, when he was accused of helping to bomb the US embassies in Nairobi and Tanzania, and is thought to be the mastermind in a truck-bomb attack on an Israeli-owned hotel in Mombasa in 2002. There are no reports yet indicating whether the helicopter attack caused civilian casualties, but Islamist militias in Somalia allied with Al Qaeda have vowed to retaliate."
- Wallace
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So, who invited us into Somalia?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
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The same people who invited us into Iraq...
- Jeff P. Henderson
So, the Illuminati, then.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
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Maxis is performing a disservice towards Apple. Pre-booked iPhone 3Gs will only be available within 30-45 days.
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Far be it for me to suggest that Maxis is incompetent …
- Haris bin Ali
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