This post is dedicated to Daynah, who "nudged" me into blogging more! :)
- Veronica
MG, yeah, I'm really hoping to see this soon. Not sure why it wasn't there right out of the gate though...
- Veronica
Honestly they need to incorporate this in all 3 areas, the App Store, your own App Folder and the Apps on the phone itself. The Apps store is messy at best, the sub directories or are ok, but really not that useful. Not to mention you cant sort by say, sub directory, free, date and search name. Then like you said, once you have it, its in your apps able to sort them and it sync to the phone. Hurry up and study programing so you can get this done for us quick quick k :)
- Socom
The app updating problem on the iPhone (not iTunes) is just sloppy and unnecessary. Very un-Apple.
- Harrison Hoffman
I think Apple overestimated how much we all like the apps wiggling when you move them :)
- MG Siegler
sigh. friendfeed and twitter not only suck the ideas for blog posts out of my head, they also suck all the comments off the blog post!
- Veronica
Veronica, welcome to the power of twitter and friendfeed! :)
- imabonehead
Veronica - you have my permission to pretend to be me and republish my comments on your blog if it makes you feel better. the pretending to be me is the key part though. you must be in character when you do so.
- MG Siegler
Veronica, that's why I turned off comments on my meager blog. But if you use WordPress, there's a plug-in that will integrate FF comments back into your blog.
- Paul Reynolds
Paul, that is an excellent idea. MG, how could I ever POSSIBLY hope to pull that off :)
- Veronica
Veronica - it's all about the glasses. that's all you really need. speaking in the batman voice is purely bonus.
- MG Siegler
MG - Agreed. I love the icon jiggle as much as the next guy, but this is just ridiculous. :)
- Harrison Hoffman
@Harrison - I used to, but now there really isn't one near me.
- MG Siegler
MG - I have one near me and go a decent amount, but a good chunk of my spending goes to Amazon too. My Best Buy spending certainly isn't anywhere near the rumored $5000 a year needed to qualify for Premier Black though.
- Harrison Hoffman
Aw, and I thought Best Buy liked me. I never get invited to the parties since the incident. *pout*
- Jay Cuthrell
nice thoughts. I think the media audience is splitting into 2 groups; those that are willing to take what is served up to them (ie broadcast television), and those that choose their own entertainment (via web downloads, etc). One a passive group, the other more involved.
- linkman77
@linkman That's a pretty interesting observation. There are certainly people out there who can't be bothered to seek out on demand content and I think that those people are the passive crowd, for now. I'm not really sure whether that's the fault of the person or that the technology isn't easy enough to use yet. I think that as this technology gets easier to use and appears on your TV (Roku Netflix box) we are going to start seeing a lot of those passive folks moving over to the active side.
- Harrison Hoffman
that's awesome Duncan. Hope you make a recording and post in online as an mp3.
- linkman77
I had this in an @reply to Duncan, but this is for everyone else's benefit. Here's a post that I wrote a few months ago on why broadcast TV sucks: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
- Harrison Hoffman
linkman77, over the phone, so no on the recording, but I've put a request in
- Duncan Riley
The funny thing is that even though it is back up, perhaps for an uncertain period of time, I didn't rush to buy it. I don't know how well EDGE will hack it for tethering.
- Harrison Hoffman
I can't grab it right now...at work :(
- Justin Korn
I'm not finding it. Search yields nothing.
- David Risley
Not sure if I want to know why your jeans were in the freezer.
- Harrison Hoffman
I sat on a wad of gum while in Portland and had them in the freezer overnight so I could scrap it off. I wanted to make sure I wouldn't forget them, so I set a reminder....
- Josh
I'm going to bet that Mike gets a bump in subscriptions based on this post. (Not that you were trying to do that Mike, just hazarding a theory.)
- AJ Kohn
AJ, I love the theory :-) Seriously though, this thread is about giving back. I will have a blog post up in a few hours. Mum is the word till then :)
- Mike Fruchter
Well with your knowledge & experience I'd say it's the site. But that is relative to the person it's being explained to.
- Mark Krynsky
10 seconds? I think the problem is you. 10 seconds is not enough time to evaluate in my opinion.
- Bwana ☠
Bwana how much time do you think they need to evaluate the site? 20 to 30 seconds or a minute?
- Paul
To get the _basic_ idea, I'll need at least 2 to 5 minutes. From there, it could go to hours to days for a full blown evaluation. I think in 10 seconds you could completely miss the basic idea no matter how smart you are.
- Bwana ☠
I totally agree. I have been to sites that have a lot of content on it but you have to explore it. It sometimes takes me several days to get the full picture because of the good content on a site!! I always like to support the site also if I can, by clicking on an ad or two!!
- Paul
I'd give it a few minutes at least! :) But I know what you mean - you shouldn't have to struggle to understand "what" something is. If we, as web geeks, don't get something, what hope do they have for mainstream appeal?
- Sarah Perez
What hope do they have for people who aren't web geeks. I'd say 50% or more aren't that geeky and the site should be molded around them not us geeks. We can navigate even the hardest sites, the site should be simple and sweet!!
- Paul
I think that the basic idea of a site should be almost immediately apparent, however it will almost always take longer to fully grasp everything that the site is about, its potential, etc. I don't mind taking an extra minute to try and figure it out if I don't get it in the first 10 seconds though.
- Harrison Hoffman
YEah, I'm talking about the *pitch*. If I don't grok that immediately, I think there's gonna be trouble. But actually reviewing a product always takes time and an open mind.
- Rafe Needleman
from twhirl
having built one that took some time to appreciate, it's not you, but it's not necessarily a worthless idea....
- anna sauce
I think you should at least give them twelve seconds
- drs650
Should be obvious in 3 sec. If not, a lot of people (esp. non-geeks) will leave. Give other pages for advanced features. Look at your Google Analytics stats & see how many people stay for 0-10 sec. If your site is complicated (more than 3 sec), give a front page link to a step-by-step walk-thorough tour with LOTS of pics (Videos are cool, but most people won't play them). Make life easy for people, and they might stay. How do you keep people past the first 3 sec?
- Mitchell Tsai
If the core value of a site does not make itself evident to me within 10 seconds, I am gone. Over the years, I've never missed a site of importance by following the 10 second rule. The best example is Google: it takes only a few seconds to get it. If a site requires a long-winded demo or voluminous documentation, it is poorly designed, imo.
- Sean McBride
I just saw a new service that took only a few seconds to get and it continued blowing me away for the next two hours. I totally agree with the others. If you can't get the basic premise quickly, then it probably wasn't well designed or thought out. http://www.tripit.com is a good example. Even the URL gives you a hint about what it's for.
- Robert Scoble
After 10 seconds, FriendFeed looked like an aggregator to me. Turns out, it's core was discussion. 10 seconds is not enough for me.
- Bwana ☠
I'm saying the site has the problem. The basic idea should be made extremely clear.
- Summer
As a Web performance expert/consultant, it's always good to hear what people think is slow. Some companies think 10 seconds is acceptable performance. Based on this conversation, that might actually be the case for some folks. For me, If I don't get a clue that something is coming within 3 seconds, I tend to get cranky.
- Stephen Pierzchala
Bwana: hmmm, still looks like an aggregator with a search engine and a community conversation feature to me. Of course it took me a little while to try it out. Louis Gray was praising it for months before I finally got a clue, so maybe you're right!
- Robert Scoble
I no longer use a ten second rule. I have missed too many good websites early on because of this. For instance, at first I passed over del.icio.us. Now I love it.
- Jake (aka Jawee)
On further thought, Jake is right. I usually take 20 minutes to really understand what a site does and its purpose. But it usually comes to me in the first two minutes whether something will be useful to me or not.
- Robert Scoble
I have the 10/20/80 rule, 10 secs, catch my eye, 20sec get me interested, if I am still on the site after 80 sec, then there's something there that needs my attention :)-
- Peter Dawson
Some sites I grokked in less than 10 seconds and use religiously: Google, Google News, Google Reader, Google Docs, Google Book Search, Wikipedia. Google seems to understand smart/minimalist user interface design better than any other Internet company. I knew from the first week I used Google (from the first week it was made public) that they would conquer the world. It requires great genius to make things exceedingly simple.
- Sean McBride
I'll confess: It took me more than 10 seconds to understand Friend Feed and I still don't understand the basic idea of Mahalo.
- Rex Hammock
Bwana: Agree with you about FriendFeed. The entry page sucks. Better would be a page with (1) Trails - e.g. 3 popular threads of the day, Robert Scoble's discussion page, Louis Gray's discussion page, Thomas Hawk's page (2) Link to some people raving about FriendFeed (with cool pics of their FriendFeed experience; e.g. Mona's Bacon thread, discussion of Cuil's failure) (3) 2 historical cool topics (4) A SLIM 640x480 entry page with NOT much on it - NO scrolling. People don't scroll on first glance.
- Mitchell Tsai
Some are following the "less is more" meme to an extreme. Hard to explain everything or even navigate from some of these new fangled sites.
- wrecks
Five other sites which passed the 10 second rule for me: Craigslist, Hulu, IMDb, Pandora, Yahoo Groups. I use them all the time. Slick.
- Sean McBride
Seems to me that coming into a new site with some hard and fast rule like this supports 'me too' and simple sites that more often than not are a) not solving something new and/or b) solving something 'easy' to solve in the first place and/or c) solving something that isn't really a problem at all. I'm not looking for easy solutions to easy/non problems. I'm looking for easier solutions to harder problems. 12seconds .. easy to grok, fun, but what problem does it solve?
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
I would say the site. Would you like to share the site you are looking at?
- Randy Ksar
Depends on what they do and how you use it in those 10 seconds
- Stephen Paul Weber
"I'm not sure if commenter #3 was referring to LOTR going all the way up to #1 or just a similar huge surge, maybe not all the way up. I was referring to an earlier post by /Film for that fact: http://www.slashfilm.com/2008...... They do say that Return of the King made it up to #2 before it fell though. I wasn't really watching IMDB's list that much back in 2001 though, so I could be wrong."
- Harrison Hoffman
I only lost 74 followers, most of whom I wasn't planning on following back anyway.
- Morton Fox
For some reason, I lost a lot of normal folks and kept the spammers...
- Chris Reed
Down to 436 of 564. I check who is following me. Obvious spammers are blocked and I check everryone. My followers were valuable to me. Switching to FriendFeed exclusively.
- Matthew Sibenik
from twhirl
I read some more on this and apparently the spam filter was too aggressive. Hey I know, how about leave it up to each account to determine if they want a spam filter. Or how about deleting the spammers themselves.
- Andrew Baron
You're wrong about the spammer count. This isn't a spammer solution. It's flat-out DB corruption.
- Louis Gray
Looks like i lost just a little over 100. Cool.
- Andru Edwards
I check myself and block. When someone follows me I review their tweets and website, if its marketing I block.
- Matthew Sibenik
I somewhat agree with you Andrew - let the users filter their own spam. The issue I had was when someone started following me, I got an email (bacn), when meant I had to see if they appeared to be a bot or human. Twitter's approach to following a massive amount of people might have been enough on this one.
- Otto R. Radke
According to the Twitter blog, it IS related to spamming also. from the Twiter alerts: "Even after this recovery is complete, your counts may appear lower than previously. In almost all cases, this is not due to missing data. The counts we display on your profile page are not always up-to-date. For example, when we remove spammers from the system (which we’ve been doing a lot lately),...
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- Andrew Baron
"Update We just received an update on the situation from Biz Stone, over at Twitter. He writes, "Some users lost followers as a result of an error during a database upgrade. We replaced followers last night and will be replacing followers today. This is not related to the spam initiative we blogged about the other day." At least Twitter is hard at work trying to remedy the situation." ---- per http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
- Susan Beebe
As you can see from the two comments above this one, there are mixed messages coming out of the same camp.
- Andrew Baron
i lost 600 followers.. which i don't care about. i do care about losing 20 people i follow. don't know who they were but if they were people i wanted to see, i don't understand why i can't see them regardless of whether system heuristics say to twitter that they were spammers.
- mary
Sonciary: Twitter restore today added back 59 followers for me, but it also deleted 9 followers...and 2 of those were legit! I wish Twitter would warn us (like putting SPAM in a folder before deleting).
- Mitchell Tsai
from twitter - twitter We've restored 99.6% of following/followers that disappeared. numbers & profile pics in sidebar may not be accurate until tomorrow afternoon
- johnpiercy
from twhirl
Haha! The mystery novel title was, of course, intentional.
- Harrison Hoffman
Twitter Status reports "Followers and Followings Restored" (Thu 5:28 pm PDT) http://friendfeed.com/e... We have restored 99.6% of the following/followers that temporarily disappeared as a result of a database error. The remaining 0.4% are on their way back.
- Mitchell Tsai
ha! louis there are far worse chronic personalities traits than that!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I'm Liking this because of the "ever-enthusiastic Louis Gray" comment...LOL
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
According to the Twitter blog, it IS related to spamming also. from the Twiter alerts: "Even after this recovery is complete, your counts may appear lower than previously. In almost all cases, this is not due to missing data. The counts we display on your profile page are not always up-to-date. For example, when we remove spammers from the system (which we’ve been doing a lot lately),...
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- Andrew Baron
You are "ever enthusiastic"! You go full speed into just about everything that you do or talk about. In my opinion. :)
- Harrison Hoffman
When I first heard the rumors, I knew that it was going to be huge if they could get it done. This is definitely a big win for both Microsoft and Netflix.
- Harrison Hoffman
yeah, as i told dean last week, if you hear anything about microsoft/netflix let me know immediately because i may die of happiness. microsoft gave me something i desired - it's been a while.
- MG Siegler
wow, i have to jump on Techmeme, i had not heard this one yet, that could be a game changer partnership, not sure what it does to the Netflix set-top box initiative however.
- Lou Paglia
@Lou Well, this is part of the "Netflix set-top box initiative." They want to get their service onto as many boxes, in as many homes as possible, so the subscribers will come rolling in.
- Harrison Hoffman
yep, commented on TechCrunch, my sense is that this offer will go to Apple TV as well if they are interested. Clearly not an exclusive unless MSFT demanded non-compete carve-outs.
- Lou Paglia
Any stats on market share of Xbox 360 vs. PS3?
- Larry Kless
This will become interesting to me if & when Netflix expands what is available on their Watch Instantly selections.
- Mike Doeff
@mike true but the xbox 360 has new releases available too separately remember, this is the ultimate living room box in my opinion now - hands down.
- MG Siegler
More iPhones were sold over the last 3 days than AppleTVs in its entire history. The good news for Apple is that when you have 0 market share, announcements calling for your decimation don't fluster you as much.
- Robert Seidman
I own nothing Microsoft right now. But Netflix + Xbox .... hmm.
- Chris Baskind
@MG But for how long will they be better? A month? A week? A day? For someone like me who just wants a way to play video/audio podcasts, watch video from Hulu, and rent on-demand from a place like Apple, Amazon or Netflx, I want a simple and cheap box that I can hook up to me TV. I would prefer my Tivo to do it, but that won't happen for quite a while there.
- Mike Wills
@mike - i suspect hulu could be the next shoe to drop in the living room wars. if some service gets them it's on again. apple needs to respond in someway, not sure how they will yet.
- MG Siegler
Makes me almost want to return to Netflix, but we get so much more value from our Blockbuster Online membership that I can't justify it.
- Craig Eddy
I hope everyone noticed that they said they are bringing the "Watch Instantly" feature to the Xbox 360. I used that feature once, and I hated it to death. There were barely any good movies on it. Now, I'm not saying that this couldn't change, but unless the movie studios agree to it, it isn't that big of a deal.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
So, to recap, this is not big news UNLESS the movie studios change their acts. Of course, what on earth could possibly lead us to believe such a thing? There is no proof that movie studios want to change, yet. I wish this Netflix coming to Xbox 360 news was a big deal, but it isn't. So, please, if you are blogging, check your sources and facts, and point out the fact that the movie studios have to do it right if this is going to be worth talking about in the future.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
@James Mowery - I think youre missing it. Watch instantly combined with the new releases from current Xbox offerings make it a pretty good package from a device many already own. So you get new releases and older stuff now. It's a whole movie store at your fingertips.
- Jay Martin
@Jay Martin Do you use this feature on a daily basis? Do you believe it coudl really compete with Hulu? I'm all over it Jay. I've already pointed you out to several resources that state that "Watch Instantly" is no big deal. Why? Because the selection is horid, the quality is horid, and the DRM is stupid. Using this feature just empowers movie studios to believe that DRM is the way to go.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
If I was Hulu, I would say "Netflix ain't got **** on me!" So, people can play this up as a big deal, but those people are wrong. I've presented the facts. Maybe people are just biased to Microsoft or Netflix, but the "Watch Instantly" feature is pathetic, and until they prove it to me otherwise, it is a shame to see people jump for joy when we have nothing to cheer about. Apple TV has...
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- James Mowery
from twhirl
It's a matter of opinion..and yes I own an Roku. I use Netflix watch instantly 3-4 times a week. Love re-runs of Office, A-Team and Rockford Files. New stuff too like the ten part "Carrier" documentary and much of Ken Burns work...It's worth it to me. My new release come to me via DVD mailers. I'm happy for $9 a month.
- Jay Martin
@jason - that's the only piece left missing, blu-ray. i fully expect an add-on sooner rather than later. maybe the holidays?
- MG Siegler
Here is what I'm saying... let's actually see what Netflix and Microsoft produce BEFORE we jump for joy with all our praise. I would prefer people to criticize the fact that "Watch Instantly" hasn't been a big success. This way, Microsoft and Netflix know what the people want. I am completely open to the idea what Watch Instantly could revolutionize the Xbox 360 and vice-versa, but there are no facts (or few legitimate opinions from the past) that should give anyone that opinion just yet.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
For example: we know nothing of the video quality that will be provided to us. Don't you think that video studios will be a bit concerned to stream 720p movies to an Xbox 360 if people have a way to capture it? You surely must see how much DRM Microsoft and Netflix have integrated into "Watch Instantly" It does nothing but make the experience a huge frustrating mess. I just hope that...
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- James Mowery
from twhirl
well, hold on. the 360 is a closed system, like Comcast's OnDemand. It is a big step in Microsoft's digital household strategy. Up until this point, you had to pay Microsoft for the privilege of renting the movie via the Media Store on the 360. If you could use your Netflix account to "Watch It Now", then Microsoft gives up some direct revenue for increasing lockin for their console, and Netflix gets...well, I don't know what Netflix gets. Companies tend to get burned when partnering with Microsoft.
- Justin Whitaker
@James Mowery - that does it! I'm subscribing to your FF!
- Jay Martin
@jason I think Microsoft has made it obvious that they want digital distribution to be in their future and avoid Blu-ray at all costs. It would make sense for them to do just that. If they can find away to make the Xbox 360 the ultimate media machine without Blu-ray integration, it would just make Sony's position that much more difficult in the long run. I thought Sony was catching up,...
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- James Mowery
from twhirl
There were already 3 Windows Media Center plugins for Netflix (http://is.gd/Tds) and now this! Awesome!
- Sarah Perez
@sarah - yeah i use my xbox to stream everything from my computer to my tv -- even though I have a mac! it's a great living room hub that just got 10000 times better in my book.
- MG Siegler
At this point I don't see a reason to pay for a BlueRay player... digital distribution is so close that I couldn't see investing in the disks anyway. So far my Xbox Live subscription has done a great job with movies and TV - adding Netflix will only help.
- Soulhuntre
It's wrong to laugh at those who bought the Roku, right? Early adopter my butt. I prefer smart adopter. ;)
- Cyndy
Soulhuntre: thats why WB caved to Bluray - to try and quickly sell some sort of HD discs before digital distribution takes over. Have to say, I much rather renting in HD on my AppleTV then buying a disc. I usually only watch a movie once.
- James Hull
when you get lost in your screens. i'm getting there...
- MG Siegler
W definitely need to see (assuming Apple allows this) some apps that organize apps into folders / groups, or hide some from the home screens, and some launchers
- Patrick Jordan
I just feel like I need to try out a lot of them and see what's out there. As a result I have 23 apps on my iPhone right now, but it's fluctuating.
- Harrison Hoffman
Not what I want to hear. My download speed here is sucking big time. I think that I might have to go and use the free WiFi at McDonalds for my phone too!
- Harrison Hoffman
ha ha, it just finished harrison, took about 20 mins the whole process
- MG Siegler
Will it be jailbroken by tonight? Heck, it's probably already done, need to check gReader...
- Vince DeGeorge