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Google just dropped a bomb on the industry. We all knew this day was coming: Google (Chrome) OS: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009... (link via @niall)
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Epic, history changing news!
- Benjamin
What is the bomb? I don't get it.
- Dave Winer
Google OS mean google operating system like windows, that's the boob
- Benjamin
@Dave Winer: Lightweight OS, supported by a big player, built on standard tech. Nothing revolutionary, but the combo is like Google Docs to Microsoft Office.
- Matt Mastracci
Well its a start, might open up doors to a proper OS maybe something smooth like linux who knows but at least a start
- Benjamin
Chrome ran on Linux before this supposed earth shaker, right?
- Dave Winer
Holden: totally agree, re: bomb. It's an exciting project.
- Matt Mastracci
Dave: it does (sort of, thru development snapshots), but not in an officially released way. The combination of Chrome + Linux + Android's app/security models on a stack tuned for netbooks is the big thing, IMHO.
- Matt Mastracci
Also, combine all of Google's open-source components released recently (Gears, O3D, NativeClient [oops], GWT, etc.) and you start to build a compelling platform that's more than just plain web.
- Matt Mastracci
This sounds like the Sun/Java thin clients that were hyped years ago.
- Peter Axon
First Microsoft shook up its search – next up: Internet Explorer - http://www.inquisitr.com/28438...
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How Twitter's Staff Uses Twitter (And Why It Could Cause Problems) http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Dimitar Vesselinov, anjelina, Dr. Apps and 32 other people liked this
I don't think this is as big an issue as the article makes it seem. From the very start, we have known what the Twitter developers suggest that Twitter be used for: "Twitter is a service for friends, family, and coworkers to communicate and stay connected through the exchange of quick, frequent answers to one simple question: What are you doing?" Following thousands of people doesn't...
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- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
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Great post Marshall - and you make some great points. I agree that we don't have to follow everyone back however, and even as a "relative" early adopter, I'm very, very selective who I'm following back anymore. I'm leaning towards waiting for conversations to develop, then relationships, then follow-back - which is probably why I'm still under 1000 followers. ;) But I think @ev has some...
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- Gary Walter (gwalter)
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Great post. You would hope there would be some basic leadership by example. After all, who better to help us understand how to get more out of Twitter than the creators and employees themselves. Based on your stats it doesn't seem like one of the fastest growing community apps on the planet cares much about building its own community. On the other hand, to be fair, there is some merit...
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- Mike Elliott
Twitter staff ARE leading by example -- their example even shows how they expected it to be used (and what it was engineered to handle?)
- Joel Bennett
Oh no, Twitter's staff isn't using Twitter like we full-time bloggers too! To be serious, I think you miss the point that Twitter can be used in any way you like and is big enough for multiple types of usage. Twitter staff doesn't need to be "power users" to understand and use Twitter. Heck, I'd rather have them programming fixes than tweeting 5% of the time.
- Ben Parr
@Joel Bennet I see your point. I hadn't thought of it that way. Without the ability to segregate who they're following they lose utility by following more just for the sake of following. So maybe it's the other way around and we're just not following their example. Well said.
- Mike Elliott
I'm just going to assume that anyone who says "who cares, why does this matter" without responding to the section subtitled "why does this matter" didn't read that part of the article. Thoughts on why this matters are in there, though. :)
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall you bring up some interesting points, but I don't know if I buy into the comparisons between Wordpress and Twitter. I get the publishing line of thought, but I don't know if I agree.
- Brandon Mendelson
Brandon, by that I mean the architecture of connection. Trackbacks were key to blogging, they were how people found out about eachother along with comments, and the @ reply is that same kind of thing. Now that's getting messed up.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Perhaps some Twitter staffers are experimenting with the concept of matching their Twitter streams with the Dunbar number theory, or the idea that humans can only maintain quality relationships with about 150 other people. Yes, tools like Tweetdeck and Tweetgrid can allow power users to follow many more people and group them to pay attention to only a few. But in those cases, perhaps...
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- Andria Krewson
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Thank you for clarifying that point Marshall. I understand now, and it is a point I agree on.
- Brandon Mendelson
I like Ev's response. It is exactly how I feel as a user. Trying to see the point of this post. It's worth posting and observing and ingniting some discussion.... I dont think that it is entirely fair to place this kind of weight on twitter based on the employee follow/friend lists. But you are making a point to separate normal users and power users (some being early adopters). To...
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- sull
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I totally agree with Ev. That's why I use friendfeed, which lets me follow people in BOTH modes (mass following so I can see random selection of all the people who follow me and small list following so I can very closely follow a small group of people). Instead of fighting with their users (like what Ev is doing with his response, by chastizing certain groups of users) he should fix his product so it serves all users. But it really doesn't matter. Twitter has won and Ev will make a huge amount of money.
- Robert Scoble
This reminds me of people in my office telling me that I don't know what they're doing on the net b/c I'm not looking directly over their shoulder while they utilize *MY* network. Certainly someone like Kirkpatrick understands that the folks at Twitter have access to every piece of data that flows over *their* network? In other words, Twitter still has real-time track, even if Gillmor doesn't.
- coldbrew
Ann Margrock - http://pattonroberta.tumblr.com/post...
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Why Bing is a stupid ass name for a search engine - http://www.inquisitr.com/24550...
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Well these are the people who thought up 'Microsoft Bob'. However, if 'Bing' was to be associated with cherries, they have a nice little postive, cute symbol to invoke and brand.
- Barbara
I've got two words for you: Microsoft Songsmith. No idea ever will be dumber than that.
- James Poling
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this article says, "Google has become the search language verb." so by this reasoning any search engine name that isn't "Google" is a stupid name. not exactly a compelling argument.
- Karim
I like the name. I give them my permission to use it. It's one of the big words in my world. http://www.google.com/search...
- Dave Winer
Karim: I'm not sure that was the argument. I don't think the point was that anything that's not named "Google" is stupid. He's just saying that to be able to compete with Google that is one of the levels you are going to have to compete with them on, as a verb. And no one is ever going to say with a straight face, "hey, I Binged you last night". At least I hope not.
- James Poling
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James, then maybe you can explain to me how "bing" as a verb is any more intrinsically stupid than "google" as a verb?
- Karim
i remember firing up a copy of Mosaic to browse this new thing called the World Wide Web. i remember thinking "World Wide Web" was a pretty stupid name. someone told me i needed to go to a site called "Yahoo" to search, and i thought that was a stupid name too. then they said there was this really good book store called "Amazon." and i thought calling a *book* store "Amazon" was just about the stupidest name i had ever heard of in my life.
- Karim
Karim, I'm not sure a word can be "more intrinsically" stupid than another word, I just think the point that at least with Google, it was not a word that was widely associated with anything already, (unless you're a mathematician and you count googol). Either way it's a pretty subjective argument, I was just saying that I don't think the point of the story was that ANY word other than...
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- James Poling
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thank you James
- Steven Hodson
Is it too Zune to declare Bing a flop?
- Louis Gray
@Louis :) nicely done
- Steven Hodson
well there are several possible arguments being made and none of them make sense to me. one is that Google "owns" the verb (i.e. anything other that "google" is stupid). another is that it "bing" doesn't sound as good as "google" when used as a verb -- as if "googling" something sounds natural. the last argument you are making is that "bing" is associated with cherries and this is a Bad...
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- Karim
Steven, do you care to elaborate?
- Karim
Bing Lee was already taken?
- Will Higgins™
err, Bing is a singer.
- Nathan Rein
Well, why not call it Bingle then - hang on, let me just bingle that first. -[
- Chris Loft
@Karim .. I realize that googling in of itself is a stupid term. I thought Google was a stupid name when I first heard it, but in our current web world Google *is* search. People use terms like "googled", "googling", "I googled you" as interchangable terms for "search". It has become the defacto way popular culture talks about - uses - search. If Microsoft wants to gain any ground it...
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- Steven Hodson
i hear you Steven, but what i'm not getting is *why* you think that.
- Karim
<scratching head> hmmm .. because I don't believe that "Bing" as a verb e.g.: bing, binged, binging will be something that people will be able to incorporate in their natural language (with a straight face anyway) as they have with Google. I'm not saying I'm right I just feel that if Microsoft even wants a chance in search they really need to understand "the culture of popular language" and how it is incorporated in our lives. Bing doesn't work .. at least not in my opinion but then who am I really ....
- Steven Hodson
I can imagine the marketing discussion that resulted in this name. Since google is the verb synonymous with search, they didn't even want to try to compete with that. To "google" something is a question, but they wanted to be the answer, as in "BING BING BING...I found the answer."
- dthree
I can't think of BING without thinking of Mr. Crosby.
- Harry McCracken
@David I can *almost* see that but still I think that should have gone back to their lines of coke and tried again
- Steven Hodson
i'm scratching my head too, Steven, for a couple of reasons. first, i don't see why it sounds any less natural to say "let me bing that and get back to you" over "let me google that and get back to you." it's not like one is obviously correct and one is obviously wrong. second, even if you buy the argument that "bing" has worse conjugation than "google," it isn't clear what value the verb has. what did people say before Google? I "yahoo'ed" something? I "altavista'ed" something? I "asked Jeeves?"
- Karim
After the name was announced, microsoft mgmt should have told their marketing consultants "BING BING BING, your fired!"
- dthree
my point about Yahoo and Amazon is that the internet has been full of OMG *STUPID* names since Day One. but if you supply a service that people love ("Twitter?" Jesus...) it almost doesn't matter what the name is. whatever Microsoft's search is called is probably going to live or die on the quality of the search results, and not the name. i could be totally wrong about that, but that's how it seems to me.
- Karim
@Karim check out the AdAge article http://adage.com/digital... .. it provides some interesting stuff to consider regarding the platform being the winner
- Steven Hodson
Oh and I don't disagree with you about the silliness of name past and present. I just think that Google has gotten such a mindshare that it is going to be really difficult to fight that and it won't be based on the platform - unless of course Microsoft does manage to really shock and awe us with something new but I doubt it.
- Steven Hodson
Well, it's better than Kumo, but that's not saying a lot.
- AJ Kohn
Ditto Karim (and Adam Lasnik .....over on the other stream :). If it's quality (with a little subtle marketing) makes absolutely no difference what it's called.
- Charlie Anzman
lol James... Steven, thanks for the Ad Age link. interesting article, but it seems to boil down to a brand loyalty argument... which is a factor, but not the only one. i think a lot of people will try it out. the threshold to do that is very low: lower than trying out a new web browser. the question for me is whether they will return. :-) to be sticky, they can't just have *parity* with...
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- Karim
@Karim .. or they have to be able to provide equal results in enough of a new and different way that will keep coming back. Not saying that they will be but that would be the one avenue forward
- Steven Hodson
Would you prefer if they called it Bling? :-) http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Dave Winer
Forget the name, I want to know why MS insists on competing in the search space. I can't believe that MSN/Live search is making a profit, and MS isn't a search company. What is the motivation?
- Glenn Slaven
@Glenn because there is too much money on the table for them not to be. Considering that even percentage points are worth millions (or more can't remember the exact figure but I bet Robert does) so even if they only double what they already have for marketshare they win
- Steven Hodson
Bing. Not bad, but I'm not sure what the difference would be from what they have now if any.
- Rick Cogley
Also, one possible past tense for "I binged it" is "I bunged it" which obviously is not such a positive connotation.
- Rick Cogley
definitely not Rick LOL :)
- Steven Hodson
binged bunged bonged? :-)
- Rick Cogley
Terms are infinitely flexible -- they come to mean whatever they are associated with. If the product with which a term is associated is excellent, the term will sound just fine. If Google had been called Bing, Bing would now sound cool. Bing bam boom. Bada bing bada boom.
- Sean McBride
The Beatles -- no way in hell that name could work for a rock band.
- Sean McBride
Bing: instant of insight, of illumination. Sartori. Direct and fast. To the point. Instantaneous.
- Sean McBride
+1 Sean
- Todd Hoff
Microsoft needs to realise that they need to stop rebranding or find a dictionary word and spell it incorrectly by accident ;)
- Nicholas James
"FriendFeed and you are independent entities, and nothing in the Terms, or via use of the Site or Services, will create any partnership, joint venture, agency, franchise, sales representative, or employment relationship between FriendFeed and you."
Alfredo, Grant Bierman, Rachel Lea Fox and 28 other people liked this
Say what? I just read this in the FF TOS. What do you mean FriendFeed and I are "independent entities?" I always thought FriendFeed and I were one. Does this mean I'm fired?
- Thomas Hawk
And why should it?
- Owen Greaves
I just always thought that being on FriendFeed made me a FriendFeed "sales representative." We are not independent entities. Whatever happened to being one with FriendFeed like a surfer's one with the wave.
- Thomas Hawk
Wait, FriendFeed has a TOS?
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
I suppose this section of the TOS might be a good reminder for some around here (looks around) who might be taking things just a tad to seriously. Suppose it's good to have this in there just to avoid any confusion on the matter later over our joint partnership.
- Thomas Hawk
Well, at least now it should be clear that I'm not getting paid by friendfeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert is right. And since Bret, Jim, Paul & co. are on the same Friendfeed, I should conclude they're doing all the work voluntarily. That's very generous :)
- Jérôme Flipo
Facebook would be smart to copy and paste this into their agreement
- Joseph
This is wrong. FriendFeed works for you.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I always thought especially you and FriendFeed were one. How can they now say you are in fact independent entities? I suppose this means we won't be getting matching funds in the FriendFeed 401k going forward?
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, so far, my hostile takeover bid has not met well with the majority of their shareholders. But send me your bank account info and routing numbers, and I will see what I can do.
- Louis Gray
So does this mean friendfeed is eligible for bailout funds?
- Russ Jackson
Earned Followers Are Better Than Junk Circulation - http://battellemedia.com/archive...
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hurrah
- anna sauce
It's even worse than that. The 'mailing lists' for the junk circulation are being sold for high profit.
- Gregg Scott
same game new court
- Chris Heath
Due to my cross-over in direct marketing, I think my twitter account gets more adds than others, by "get 10K followers fast!" kind of loser schemes. It's kind of depressing. Hopefully people who follow and promote those will just exist over in a little world apart from those actually using the medium to truly communicate.
- anna sauce
It's quite obvious that many Twitter users just collect followers as some kind of badge alluding to their importance. I pick up followers everyday but rarely choose to follow them. A quick look at their previous form will tell if they are interesting or not. Most tend to have either posted nothing or posted less than a dozen times in as many weeks. If they subsequently choose to unfollow me I'm not especially bothered. Most of them don't.
- Gilbert Harding
Gilbert... on twitter i'm the same... i rarely follow back, since twitter is a broadcast network i only want broadcasts from who i want them from.... On FriendFeed it's a different story... there's so many ways to filter/group/list your friends/subscriptions that i have started to follow everyone back here on friendfeed (i think louis inspired this behavior in me - was it not you last week louis?)
- Chris Heath
Aviary has really gotten awesome since I last checked. Between it and Pixelmator; Adobe could be facing real competition over the coming yrs
Harry McCracken, Arnaud Fischer and Robert Scoble liked this
This is what the new Friendfeed feels like! - http://www.tvland.com/photoga...
Matthew, Adam Cohen, Mark Krynsky and 79 other people liked this
ha ha
- MG Siegler
That is hilarious!!!
- Al Stevens
Only without the great chocolate taste!
- Al Stevens
exactly - no time to take something of the convey belt!
- Nick Halstead
I'm not a fan of automatically being on real time. talk about firehose
- Yolanda
Steve its a river with dams - just use them (searches, filters, lists, etc). Might as well as them to slow down the stock market. Welcome to the realtime web!
- timepilot
Classic - literally and figuratively. Nice...
- Christian
I can see the pies falling off the end.
- Khürt Williams
ROFL!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
If that's true, we're in luck, because chocolate is great, and that episode is a classic!
- Louis Gray
Brilliant analogy.
- Sean McBride
I am, in fact, currently stuffing Comments in my shirt.
- Ken Sheppardson
hahaah totally!! good one Steve!!
- Susan Beebe
I've had a long-term policy towards web pages that move in any way -- I avoid them like the plague. I am a text-oriented person, and I like my text to sit still, so that I can quietly contemplate it.
- Sean McBride
I agree. The new Friendfeed does not help me get information, it crushes me under the relentless pace of items that cannot be read. The old interface at least pretends to be friendly enough that I can read interesting items without rushing to catch them before they vanish.
- Shamir Katsu
Great point Shamir, the speed of the updates is devaluing the input and the quality of the content that can be found.
- Russ Jackson
Ah, how sweet and refreshing is the refresh button. Such a simple and brilliant component of any intelligent and well-designed UI.
- Sean McBride
[Steve Rhodes, The Beachwood Reporter] - http://www.beachwoodreporter.com/column...
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