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FriendFeed Blog: View your FriendFeed in real-time - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2008...
Alex Luft, Mathew A. Koeneker, Charlie Anzman and 83 other people liked this
I am going to spend all evening in the real-time version of the debate room at http://friendfeed.com/rooms.... You can view your real-time feed at http://friendfeed.com/realtime
- Bret Taylor
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MG: you can also embed a real-time feed for a room in other web pages, so you can embed a real-time view for your next liveblog event (we thought of you when enabling that feature).
- Bret Taylor
Amazingly awesome. If friendfeed were a person I'd have the hugest crush on it.
- EricaJoy
gotta say it's immensely satisfying to use the share bookmarklet in one page and see it pop up instantly on the mini window
- Karl Rosaen
I LOVE this new feature: http://scobleizer.com/2008... but damn, now I'm really not going to get any work done!
- Robert Scoble
Time to watch FriendFeed scroll on ... and on ... and on ...
- Great Scott!
It probably does make a person more likely to post a comment or reply, because you know the other person just posted what you're commenting about. Shorten the feedback loop, increase the throughput...
- Ranjit Mathoda
Nice work guys. You've re-invented crack.
- Ryan Kuder
+1 Ranjit
- Great Scott!
Popping out the live window is really useful because you can click through and see the original post in it's entirety.
- Frankie Warren
interesting to see the debates in RT. only problem is that i couldn't deal with twitters election site because it moved so fast.
- Admiral Anika
@scoble, re:"This is also functionality that Facebook or MySpace does not have" facebook does have a "live feed" feature
- Karl Rosaen
Really? Where? I never have seen Facebook's live feed.
- Robert Scoble
i just noticed it last night, tab next to 'posted items' on the home page. it has 'log mode' and 'full stories'
- Karl Rosaen
On your home screen Robert, News feed, status updates..... live feed
- Simon Wicks
It's called live... not so sure it actually is. it's on the homepage up in the tabs for the newsfeed.
- Frankie Warren
It is live. Stuff I posted right now appears within a few seconds.
- Robert Scoble
The comment link isn't big enough. I have too many Friends. Keeps scrolling.
- l0ckergn0me
pardon my language but this is fucking crazy...
- Zee.
Sorry Robert, I was referring to Facebooks "Live Feed"
- Frankie Warren
Agreed, I've had to chase the Comment link down 3-4 times already.
- xero
all about the lists Chris
- Zee.
This is AMAZING, and FAST.
- Dave Gilbert
Yah, chasing the comment link is annoying. I am working on something for that now. The update rate was not exactly this high during a lot of our testing ;)
- Bret Taylor
Am I missing how to embed the realtime somewhere?
- Ryan Kuder
You can use an iframe!
- Gavin
True, good point
- Sherif Mansour
Although, it would be nice if the comments appeared in-line tot he initial post, instead of a new post
- Sherif Mansour
Ryan: on any room you can see the embed link: http://friendfeed.com/rooms... for instance.
- Benjamin Golub
to keep congruence with the normal page, i'd like to see 'likes' show up here too
- Karl Rosaen
can u imagine the redraws if that were the case? I was thinking about this myself and it seemed a good idea till I actually implemented it.
- Prolific Programmer
yeah, i suppose so, glad to hear it was tried out (i assume u work at ff?). maybe 'most liked' graph on the side or something that would update as the votes came in... or not
- Karl Rosaen
FF Team, you guys rawks!
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Thanks, Benjamin. I've now got a realtime feed embedded in a post on my blog. It looks awesome: http://ryankuder.com
- Ryan Kuder
crikey- that is cool...
- Zee.
Is there a way to just watch one persons feed in realtime? not their friends just them.
- Shawn McCollum
I have to respectfully say I'm not a fan. While I suppose it could be interesting for live blogging, etc... I'm a proponent of thoughtfulness over speed and quantity. We already have enough twittering in the world, enough 24-hour live news coverage. We don't need to know more sooner. We need to understand more better.
- Adam Lasnik
Fantatic.
- Russellreno
@Adam Atleast it's there in case you ever want it
- Gordon Swaby
You guys are the cats pajamas.
- j1m
But wait, how do I flip it? I want new things to arrive on the bottom, like in all my other chat clients. I have a much easier time reading from top to bottom. (Also, can it auto-pause when I'm not scrolled to the live end of the feed? And if not, can the pause button stay in view when I scroll?)
- j1m
I didn't see the real-time update here,maybe my office computer is too slow,or maybe it is the issue with IE6.
- Steve Chou
Now it is working,and it is awesome...
- Steve Chou
Also, why no list of accumulated Likes? And I miss the More button. (As you can tell, I'm completely addicted.)
- j1m
WOW! WOW! I like it ;)
- Kyle Weller
Mine doesn't seem to be updating... is it possible it can only handle a couple of feeds at a time. The room I'm embedding probably has 3 or 4 dozen feeds. I know it's gotta update more often than once an hour. Ugh.
- Patrickometry
Thoughts on Chrome & More - http://john.jubjubs.net/2008...
harryzou, Phil Smirnov, Anne Bouey and 10 other people liked this
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建了一个Lively的Room，叫China - http://www.lively.com/dr...
Google Lively FAQ - http://blogoscoped.com/archive...
harryzou, Lizunlong, Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ and 2 other people liked this
Google Reader notes are now automatically imported into FriendFeed!
Shinya ICHINOHE, Andrew Shuttleworth, Paul Papadimitriou and 38 other people liked this
Dude that was seriously quick!! Scary fast. You FriendFeed guys nothing short of amazing.
- Bwana ☠
Wow, that's cool!!
- Susan Beebe
Wow -- I can go back to using google reader then.
- Ginger Makela Riker
That was fast, I am going to try it out now!
- Joe Dawson
Congrats on pulling in Google Reader Shared Items Notes (GRSIN?) into FriendFeed. That was fast!
- Mike Reynolds
This was amazing. I woke up to find that feature had been launched on Google Reader, and it was already supported in FriendFeed! Hats off to you!
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
They really make this new app. of GReader for FF. Awesome!
- Erhan Erdogan
Just added a note on a shared item on Google Reader and once submitted it can be edited here as well! Well done!!
- Joe Dawson
RSSmeme does it too! http://www.rssmeme.com/story... <-- click the Read Notes link
- Benjamin Golub
sweet
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Awesome!
- James Polley
Xiaonei deal post-mortem: who is smart here? - http://www.plus8star.com/...
Friendfeed opt-in ads
Nicole Simon, harryzou, Lizunlong and 12 other people liked this
The ads could be subscribe only, revolutionizing the way ads work ;). Once a week, a small item asks you if you want to subscribe to any ad feeds -- this item will render like the rest of new items popping up to the left. Or, it could be a menu item. If you subscribe to a topic of your choice, like "automic relevance detection based on what you read here", "movies," "technology", "books" etc., you will get 1 ad per week tailored to your selection. 1 ad per week is ridiculously little but on the other hand, it will actually receive your (voluntary, non-frustration due to opt-in) attention; plus, all ads are naturally disclosed as such.
- Philipp Lenssen
I am not opposed to ads per se, but I would not want ads to creep into my friendfeed. Ads should be clearly separated and placed somewhere else, e.g. to the right of friendfeed items.
- Mustafa K. Isik
"I am not opposed to ads per se, but I would not want ads to creep into my friendfeed." While the ads would render just like the rest of feed items, they would also be strictly opt-in, as described, so if you don't want them... you just wouldn't subscribe to them. If, on the other hand, you would like these ads -- and they would be screened by the FF team to be incredibly cool and...
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- Philipp Lenssen
With clearly separated ads, i.e. such that are not placed directly among feed items, I could live - even might want to try them out. Ads within the feed I would not even try out. I am sort of concentrated when I read my friendfeed and I feel that ads would just break the flow of browsing items. This is one of the major issues I have with Facebook's activity stream ... well, among many...
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- Mustafa K. Isik
I think this is a really important issue that needs to be solved in general for free content and services. sure, you can slap adsense on something or join an ad network, but i've pretty much stopped looking at adsense ads because of low-quality or poorly targeted ad blocks. I pretty much don't look at advertising online anymore because of irrelevance. so i think we're really in need of...
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- Ginger Makela Riker
I think economies of scale make it very hard for startups to experiment with ad targeting. They just don't have access to inventory. Maybe it would help if a major ad network offered a publisher API which let you send in some text with other targeting hints and get back a big pile of ads with metadata and then the publisher could select a subset of them (based on whatever social voodoo) to show in some context. The closest thing I can think of is Amazon's associates web service.
- ⓞnor
that's seriously brilliant.
- Ginger Makela Riker
@ⓞnor: That is a good suggestion. @Ginger: I disagree with your take on AdSense performance, but you are right with community screened and rated ads.
- Mustafa K. Isik
loving ⓞnor's idea. it's clear that many small sites could build a better targeting engine specific to their content and purpose than a generic engine like adsense (not to say that adsense doesn't rock, it's just not the one size that fits all). access to the ad invetory is the real bottle neck. the key thing for the ad networs is how they control click quality (conversion rates) for their advertisers.
- Alex Gawley
I like the idea of a "Related" drop down under each item that included ads as well as other posts that FF thinks is interesting.
- engtech
opt in Ad's ? who will that benefit ?? I mean seriously, how many of us really want ads at all ? how many times do we even click on ad's ?
- Peter Dawson
You can try something like this. Create a virtual person named 'Ads'( or something creative). Now create a feed for this person to whom others can subscribe. Now show that ad if its clicked by friend of FOAF if its relevant.
- Varun Mahajan
I already see some of my "friends" pushing what you may considered as ads - see http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Atul Arora
I just saw the Mint item from http://friendfeed.com/adbot show up in my FriendFeed, since Kevin Fox is that user's "friend" and he commented on the item. So it looks like opt-in ads are here already.
- Mihai Parparita
@Mihai: Indeed it does. The name sounds suspicious, no?
- Voyagerfan5761
opt in ads are not bad.
- Fuad Arshad
中国网民自发反击外媒歪曲拉萨事件 - http://log.keso.cn/2008...
List of Friendfeed feature requests & thoughts - http://blogoscoped.com/forum...
Neil, Anne Bouey, Steven Hodson and 11 other people liked this
Sounds like somebody needs to change their site name to FriendFeed Blogoscoped.
- Louis Gray
I second that motion, "FriendFeed Blogoscoped" :)-
- Peter Dawson
And the blog tagline should say 100% Friendfeed instead of 80% Google :-)
- Atul Arora
How about "Ex-Google Blogoscoped"...? :-)
- Slappy Line
Why Polyvore? - http://www.jessyoko.com/blog...
harryzou, Paul Buchheit, Steven Hodson and 3 other people liked this
Google's Design Guidelines - http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2008...
Christopher Yeo, Florian, marx and 9 other people liked this
I had the pleasure of helping to create this document. I hope they end up publishing it publicly!
- Kevin Fox
Kevin, that's fun. Makes sharing the story a bit more personal. Why don't you just publish it yourself or e-mail it to me? :-)
- Louis Gray
'The 21 Steps', by Charles Cumming - http://wetellstories.co.uk/stories...
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a story told through the Google Maps interface
- Jess Lee
上海，“实在”的互联网环境 - http://uicom.net/blog/?p=723
Perspective, FriendFried and the Scoble Effect - http://oracleappslab.com/2008...
Christopher Black, harryzou, Mark Douglass and 7 other people liked this
Jake Kuramoto may be on to something. Louis Gray has noted that both Robert Scoble and Chris Brogan have joined FriendFeed, and the networking possibilities have certainly increased as a result.
- Ontario Emperor
I worry that Scoble will bring noisy people to FriendFeed. :-(
- Amit Patel
Amit: I have to agree to apoint with your concern but you do have the final say on his effect on your feed by not subscribing to him. If it gets too noisey I'll unsub pretty quick
- Steven Hodson
"you do have the final say on his effect on your feed by not subscribing to him". Not 100% true -- the "personalized communities" here overlap in the comments threads. Say, Adam subscribed to Eve. Sue subscribes to Eve. Robert brings Pete on board. Pete comments in Sue's thread, perhaps she's a friend of a friend. Adam will now see stranger Pete's output because Pete is a friend of Sue who's a friend of Eve (the only person Adam actually subscribed to) -- all due to Robert.
- Philipp Lenssen
Right, wrong, indifferent I think the Scoble Effect does help drive features, if only to control the noise. Right Paul?
- Jake Kuramoto
Agree with you Jake, the more people sign-up here the better as it will let us watch how experts tackle the issues arising!
- Philipp Lenssen
that is a big thing about FF for me .. I am extremely intersted in how they grow - deal with things likea Scoble Effect (and yes Philipp you're right about the effect - I was a little "overviewish" I guess) and also what new ideas they will bring to the table to make FF even more valuable
- Steven Hodson
I already unfriended him because of the noise it brought into my friends feed. I liked the new information, but it quickly became too noisy, and made FF less valuable to me. I still see his stuff now because of friend of a friend semantics.
- Derek Collison
Is it the name, perhaps? It's a name you just want to follow. I didn't know it before yesterday, and now I've subscribed to him. Hmmm.
- Slappy Line
I'm not subscribed to Scoble and don't plan to. The “noise” I was referring to was the increased volume of friend-of-friend posts — described by Philipp Lenssen. I also think that as more strangers start following me, I'm going to be less open about what I post. I think that “big city vs. small town” feel may be unavoidable growth.
- Amit Patel
I'd be inclined to agree with you there, Amit. We all love being part of (or peekers into) a tight little community, but when that community gets popular, well, there's always a trade-off.
- Slappy Line
But in the real world we all live in neighbourhoods where we tend to bump into the same people repeatedly rather than interacting with everyone on the planet. Maybe what we need are private groups or sub-graphs?
- Adewale Oshineye
开贴：从friendfeed信息聚合说开去
(a) 信息聚合容易产生的两个问题，信息过载与信息重复。
- terababy
(b) 聚合信息的有效组织方式。
- terababy
(c) friendfeed 到底有没有价值。
- terababy
关于a，这不单是类似FriendFeed个人信息聚合才拥有的问题，RSS订阅、社区交友、电子邮箱乃至整个互联网都是如此，各种服务、浩海数量的用户，都充当信息源的角色，只要信息源一多起来，信息便如巨浪一样把你淹没。另一方面，有太多人对相同的事情感兴趣，更多的人充当着信息拷贝的角色。还有很多网络重度使用者，奔忙于各个社区、线上服务，如今个人信息聚合服务将这些社区、线上服务的输出数据聚合在一起，构成了各方位的交叉，信息愈加过载和重复，所以伊始就招来那么多的人的口诛笔伐。
- terababy
关于c，这个问题很关键，但是不好回答。官方起初喊的口号是即时关注亲朋好友的网络动态，但就算是 friendfeed 的创始人 Paul Buchheit 的订阅也大都是来自网络上的用户，压根谈不上亲朋好友，其被订阅者的信息对于他自己也大大折扣；从另一角度说，这不单单是 friendfeed 的问题，facebook、海内这样的真人社区起初的口号何况不是关注亲朋好友，还不是沦为交友网站? 这种结果对于网站方来说是很为难的事情，网站经营起始不会在社会上有多大影响力，一是为了营造欣欣向荣的景象，二是新用户实在找不到自己真正的亲朋好友，网站会在策略上提供你方便找人的方法，比如“推荐”这就是一个很显眼的只有交友网站才会提供的功能。所以单纯在网站经营起始，谈到底有没有价值为时过早。如果真的发展到人人都在 friendfeed，那确如 Paul Buchheit 所说，可以关注亲朋好友的信息了，信息变得有价值了，friendfeed 才会真正的有价值。
- terababy
关于b, 结合a和c，提出解决的方法，即信息的有效组织方式。组织信息的方式有几下几种：1 过滤、2 排序、3 相关信息聚合，最后是4 人性化显示。1 过滤是大多数人谈到信息重载、重复都会想到的方法，1.1. 让用户可以自己给每个被订阅者、每种类型信息制定权重；1.2. 方便用户控制某个被订阅者信息或其某种类型信息删除(或隐藏)；1.3. 提供过滤器 filter 只显示感兴趣的信息；1.4. 提供搜索功能方便寻找有用信息(类似于filter，但不同，filter是可以定制化、固化、多重组合的)。2 排序方式也相当重要，一般都是按 news feed 的时间倒序，friendfeed 则提供了不一样的排序方式，按 news feed的最后评注时间排序，这样热的信息会在上方。3...
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- terababy
The most import thing to understand about new products and startups - http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2008...
Greg Coladonato, Soyapi Mumba, Stephen Foskett and 23 other people liked this
"Even if you aren't the smartest person around, and your product is kind of ugly and broken, you can still be very successful, if you just build the right product. YouTube and MySpace are both fine examples of this." Ouch, I hope the founders of YouTube don't read that :)
- Huy Zing
Humility? I always thought the 3 traits of good programmers were impatience, laziness, and hubris ;-)... seriously, nice blog.
- Rob Hoeting
...and a preference not to use perl, of course ;)
- m13a
The #1 story on RSSmeme as of 6pm EST: http://www.rssmeme.com/story...
- Benjamin Golub
FriendFeed does a great job of paying attention to user feedback and seeing what works. But a lot of the time, users don't really know what they want or will ask for things that turn out to suck. I'm curious if any user asked for GMail conversations or if that was an innovation that the team came up with on its own.
- Jess Lee
Yeah, it's important to understand that "listen" is not the same as "obey". "Observe your users" might be a better way of putting it, but that sounds so formal, and slightly creepy.
- Paul Buchheit
If I'd asked people what they wanted, they would have asked for a better horse. - henry ford
- paulm
"I sent it out to a few people for feedback, and they said that it was somewhat useful, but it would be better if it searched over their email instead of mine." lol.
- j1m
i like the point about humility...i would take it a step further, in fact, and say that the key word is "service". this word encompasses both a personal attitude (serving others, with humility) and a market-based/need-based outlook rather than a product-based outlook (providing a service to potential users). that way you're focused on addressing an issue, rather than making a super...
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- Mike Massey
Paul Graham：未来的互联网创业（上） - http://www.ruanyifeng.com/blog...
newcritics - » The Reblog Button - http://newcritics.com/blog1...
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"We are in the midst of a cultural revolution in which the distribution system is moving from being controlled by the creators/funders of content to the consumers of content (the newcritics). When we are done, we will have a more efficient and higher quality media experience for everyone."
- Paul Buchheit
So the ff bookmarklet is the ff 'reblog?' Will it soon share its functionality?
- greg brown
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