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@kim3er errr... 4 GB and 8 GB USB keys are dirt cheap and bootable. optical drive is a relic at this point, the new floppy drive
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EtherPad is Back Online Until Open Sourced - http://simonwillison.net/2009...
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EtherPad is Back Online Until Open Sourced (Aaron/The EtherPad Blog) - http://www.techmeme.com/091205...
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I wish every company had a page like this: http://wordpress.org/about...
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This morning: choose wisely. http://twitpic.com/pia5e
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I will, master.
- Roberto Bonini
Has anyone tried to calculate the damage Facebook/Farmville does to the economy? Lehman Bros. is a joke in comparison ;)
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Gillmor Gang 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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11 viewers for a test pattern, and I seem to be one of them.
- Cliff Gerrish
Getting ready to rock 'n' roll
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It is a nice test pattern though.
- Warner Crocker
Cliff - it is a CLASSY test pattern though :)
- Rob La Gesse
Timing. LOL
- Warner Crocker
Bret Taylor of Facebook will join us to talk about open sourcing Tornado
- Steve Gillmor
I don't recognise that test pattern but the zone plate parts are showing some hf loss...
- Kevin Marks
Cool! From what I know so far, I think I'm in love with Tornado.
- Vezquex
I'm in the Gillmor Gang studio.
- Robert Scoble
Please stand by. Technical difficulties are being worked on.
- Robert Scoble
I'm enjoying the test pattern. Heard Steve's voice, so I'm sure we're closer to a b-cast. :)
- Karoli
Karoli: yup. Getting closer.
- Robert Scoble
10.9.8.7.
- Robert Scoble
Look - a @building43 t-shirt! :)
- Rob La Gesse
Puppets are all the rage right now. :)
- Karoli
buffering, unwatchable
- Mark
The feed is coming in crystal clear for me....
- Mike Kelly
Mark: sorry. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
- Robert Scoble
There was a bit of a glitch, but all's well now.
- Ken Sheppardson
Cool.
- Robert Scoble
crystal clear here :)
- Adnan
Actually....the audio quality is much better than the old GG episodes!
- Mike Kelly
Really curious to hear from Bret how he'd tie XMPP into Tornado... where he sees the intergration points and overlap.
- Ken Sheppardson
Is Kevin Marks still with google?
- Adnan
Is there an audio only feed?
- Shaun Trennery
Shaun: close your eyes. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
LiveJournal growth/uptime was a lot like the present Twitter headache.
- Jay Cuthrell
Kevin is now with British Telecom. VP of Web Services
- Ken Sheppardson
:) Thanks Robert, bandwidth here in South Africa is limited. My pigeon is fast asleep.
- Shaun Trennery
Tornado chat room demo instance http://chan.friendfeed.com:8888/
- Ken Sheppardson
Real-Time Remastering....wow..talk about Gillmore Gang 3.0
- Mike Kelly
Whoo! name check
- Jack
Transcoding on the fly circa 2001 :) Nice!
- Jay Cuthrell
Thanks Steve
- Shaun Trennery
Waiting for the tech geek hitler moment when someone says that Google Wave is dead
- Ross Mayfield
Jack: waiting for your remastering magic! :-)
- Robert Scoble
"Some guy named Jack" :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
This is greatly enjoyable and informative. Thank you all.
- Harry Wolff
bingo
- Ross Mayfield
what method does tornado use to pull updates that it pushes realtime?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wave is XMPP based... hence my earlier question RE how he'd tie XMPP into Tornado... where he sees the intergration points and overlap.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ross: that one was for you!
- Robert Scoble
:-)
- Robert Scoble
;-)
- Ross Mayfield
I'd love to know when noreply and donotreply goes away from Facebook notification emails.
- Jay Cuthrell
Mochiweb (Erlang web framework) has some pretty easy to use support for long-polling too. Use it at http://replies.twitterfall.com for the streaming API there. I think Facebook use it for chat? (guess)
- Jalada
Agreed Steve.......This is now officially WAY over my head.... ;-)
- Mike Kelly
So, Bret... any plans for a near-term Tornado meetup?
- Ken Sheppardson
Has there been any discussion on any top line scaling metrics they are shooting for now? i.e. transcations per second, etc.
- Jay Cuthrell
Thursdays between 1 - 2pm SFO likes to fly jets over the NGL studios! We must have a talk about this
- Tina Chase Gillmor
lol, love the Canter picture
- Ross Mayfield
agreed... great Canter action shot :)
- Jay Cuthrell
I believe that was at LeWeb several years ago. But Marc was famous for sleeping at conferences.
- Robert Scoble
thanks... I'll take credit for the Canter photo. Not for taking it but for choosing it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
awesome! :)
- Susan Beebe
jazz?
- Jay Cuthrell
yeah, what was that? :)
- Susan Beebe
new Kenny G intro music...
- Mike Kelly
Someone was on hold and it leaked out.
- Robert Scoble
I seriously want that Calliflower hold music MP3
- Ken Sheppardson
That's a great blog - I follow it
- Jesse Stay
whats the future of friendfeed?
- Adnan
Ask him how scaling for Facebook compares to scaling from Google?
- Jesse Stay
robert - do you have a public blog reference for digg using casandra?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Cassandra uses Thrift too, which supports Python, so the two go together well.
- Jalada
Can't wait to work with Brett in Platform
- Jesse Stay
Mike: I saw it on one of the Digg guys' twitter accounts. I'll try to find some details.
- Robert Scoble
Rob, thanks for saving me the time! :-)
- Robert Scoble
BTW, Brett's saying it wrong - it's not "the Facebook Platform". It's "Facebook Platform".
- Jesse Stay
reading that too!
- Susan Beebe
His Colleagues would correct him on that :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: on what?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, on pronunciation of Facebook platform - there's no "the"
- Jesse Stay
exactly
- Jay Cuthrell
Ahh.
- Robert Scoble
They're very picky about that - it's "Facebook Platform" and not "The Facebook Platform". #littlethings :-)
- Jesse Stay
Any questions for Bret?
- Robert Scoble
The same "Rackspace Cloud" vs "The Rackspace Cloud" argument :)
- Rob La Gesse
Yes, they definitely can.
- Jalada
We're using Pubsubhubbub at http://rssfall.com but it's trivial to add rssCloud support and we're going to.
- Jalada
When will we get to see some of the FriendFeed-like real time features in the Facebook stream?
- Jesse Stay
And when will that work with the API?
- Jesse Stay
Q: What impact will today's release of @Mentions on Facebook have on their infrastructure, performance?
- Susan Beebe
Listening to this is so very interesting if you remember things like "ATG Dynamo" and the personalization wave of the .com days
- Jay Cuthrell
"Pub hub sub bub"? Nice :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Can anyone ask Bret if Friendfeed plans to open source more of their code. Would love to see how Friendfeed handles the aggregation of all the user feeds.
- arjo
thanks rob and rob!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
*boom* moment is when the homepages change
- Jay Cuthrell
Jesse - great question!
- Susan Beebe
Will friendfeed keep using their mysql blob store system or will they move to something more native to the FB platform?
- Ian Kallen
arjo: I will try to get to that.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook supports activitystrea.ms already
- Jesse Stay
Ian: I think the answer is clear that the future is Cassandra and other systems built to deal with 300-500 million users.
- Robert Scoble
De jure versus De facto? :P
- Jalada
that's why at the IETF they learned the hard way that implementation trumps a lone spec
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
"Drool: "Tornado comes w/ built-in support for Facebook Connect, Twitter, Google, FriendFeed and OAuth + OpenID." -- http://friendfeed.com/chrisme...
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert - Question for Bret --> What impact will today's release of @Mentions on Facebook have on their infrastructure, performance?
- Susan Beebe
assuming the thing enclosed is relevant to the stream presentation method
- Jay Cuthrell
You can learn more about Facebook's activity streams here: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index...
- Jesse Stay
thanks Jesse!
- Susan Beebe
maybe Facebook RTVR will be available for timeshift realtimers (like DVR/Tivo for stuff)
- Jay Cuthrell
Nice show guys - thanks.
- Rob La Gesse
epic GG -- thanks!
- Jay Cuthrell
Thanks GG ! :)
- Susan Beebe
Interesting show, thanks :-)
- Jalada
Great show!
- Mike Doeff
really interesting stuff. thanks.
- Karoli
Thanks to Bret Taylor, great show. No drama, either!
- Robert Scoble
heheh
- Jay Cuthrell
Thank you all! Great show!
- Harry Wolff
great show!
- Adnan
hahah :)
- Susan Beebe
I'd love to see more GG's like that. That was a great show.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, you should have blurted out "You Lie!". Add some controversy :)
- Mike Doeff
Great show guys, thanks
- Ivan Kirigin
Best one in a long while - really good stuff
- Susan Beebe
Jesse: I'd like see more but I value the mix over the homogeneous
- Jay Cuthrell
The mix of what will it be is why I show up
- Jay Cuthrell
excellent show - enjoyed the pace and the questions
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bravos! Wonderful show. Thank you.
- Dave Martin
I agree Susan. I hope that Steve has more geeks on and fewer arguers in the future.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - well said! no drama queens - geeks only! :)
- Susan Beebe
Kevin, Robert, Bret & Canter - thanks for a great show. Thank you all for showing up
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina - thanks for the Canter photo -- best LOL of the day :)
- Jay Cuthrell
Maybe next time. I hope it went well.
- Michael Fidler
Unofficial MP3 of this show: http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
Does anyone have audio/video of the newsgang live from earlier this week?
- Michael Breslin
Michael: There's a repository of bootlegs at http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Ken Sheppardson
Another link for a bootleg of today's show: http://friendfeed.com/jackx1...
- Mike Doeff
Yeah I know about that, unless I'm mistaken it doesn't have the newsgang live from tue 09/08
- Michael Breslin
I've only been recording episodes of the Gillmor Gang so unless someone else has recorded NewGang you will have to wait until Steve puts it on YouTube
- Jack
Mike: That link is to the same file as in the bootleg feed
- Jack
Ken: All those files are linked to in a shiny feedburner interface here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg... Plus its a handy RSS feed
- Jack
RT @fukami: Prof. Peter-Alexis Albrecht (Strafrechtler, Uni Frankfurt) im ZDF am 21.6.: "Politik zerstört Rechtsstaat" http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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What's New In Python 3.1 - http://simonwillison.net/2009...
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I now officially hate phpBB era forums. Almost worth releasing Stack Overflow as open source just to KILL THEM ALL. Such a bad UI paradigm.
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People Who Sit In The Disability Seats When I’m Standing On My Crutches - http://www.peoplewhositinthedi...
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haha, just mouseover this link, FFers, and look at the URL. Enough said. ;)
- Tamar Weinberg
from Bookmarklet
I remember that there I was nine-months pregnant with a nine pounder, and the only person who offered his seat was a disabled man, while all these men with no disabilities didn't budge. I kept saying no cause I felt bad, and his response was the best. "You are having a baby, so you deserve it, and it doesn't seem like any of these HEALTHY men are getting up"
- Shevonne
People are such jerks. The same thing happened to me toward the end of my pregnancy about 6 weeks ago. All these guys were looking at me in my big belly and didn't offer to get up. But some nice young girl actually offered. I feel that the healthy *men* should've done it - not the girl. Instead, they opted to stare.
- Tamar Weinberg
When I was pregnant, I took the bus to/from work every day. I was always amazed and how rarely I was offered a seat. People would purposely look away, I noticed, to "pretend" not to see me so they wouldn't have to offer their seat.
- Rochelle
no class. hate these kinds of people. one of the things about ny that i can't stand. it's incredible to see how unaware or even selfish people are
- Cee Bee
If I was really uncomfortable, I sat down in the handicapped seats even if it was between 2 fat people. They'd normally then look at me and roll their eyes at me. Maybe you should've gotten up!
- Tamar Weinberg
by the way, did anyone actually see the URL? I think it's the longest domain name ever.
- Tamar Weinberg
@Tamar LONGEST EVER! @Cee Bee I will have to say DC is worst! In NYC, some people offered their seat. In DC, I had old ladies pushing me.
- Shevonne
Screw waiting for the offer. I'd look 'em straight in the eye and ask them if I could sit down.
- Nathalie
That sort of sense of entitlement doesn't help either...
- Mona Nomura
people did this in tokyo when my wife was quite obviously preggers. diaf!
- Eric Nakagawa
this stuff kills me - when i was a little kid my mother would beat my arse if i didnt get up - people are such pigs - this is totally getting posted on insidetransit - love the idea
- Allen Stern
Total agreement with ya all. Funny Allen, my mom would do the exact same to me. The empty thousand mile stare is so common on the buses over here also. I find often that once I stand up for someone, it kinda breaks the dam and people start getting off their "fat donkeys" (:-P) at the next stops.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
<rant>when a person gets on with 3 kids and slaps them down into the first 3 seats - and then the parent just sits there and watches old people and anyone else stand - i give them the look of death - if it comes to it, i say something. this (and people playing their walkmans so loud the whole subway can hear it) is the real world - not twitter.</rant>
- Allen Stern
wow.
- anna sauce
This reminds me of my recent trip to my mom's eye doc. I'm pushing her along in the wheelchair. Two people are ahead of us, neither one of them holds the door. Two men are inside talking on their cell phones watching me hold the door and push Mom inside. Now, granted, I've managed this enough times to where it isn't a big deal, but, come on people! Hold the door for the next person,...
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- Yolanda
I've been lucky to take trains that aren't that packed when I was pregnant the first time. Though I don't ever demand a seat since I sit on my butt at work all day anyway :p
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
im going to start "peoplewhoplaytheirmusicsoloudeveryonecanhearit.com" :)
- Allen Stern
hit them with your freaking crutches and tell them to move if you NEED to sit there. i always sit in disabled seating. they're not better than me because they're different. freaking rosa parks all over again.
- Tyler Gillies
Yolanda, that's awful. :/ I went to the post office in January, while very much 9 months pregnant, in the snow and ice, with an arm full of packages. I decided to do a sort of experiment and stood outside until someone opened the door for me. It took several people going in/out before anyone let me in.
- Rochelle
Just to add a counterpoint: sometimes, when a woman has a big belly going on, there is some ambiguity as to whether they're pregnant or...well, fat. If a woman is very obviously pregnant, then...yeah: rude as fuck to not give up one's seat, reserved seat or no. (Then again, if one is male, one could just offer one's seat up and play it off as general chivalry, I guess.)
- Chester
Chester, what I do in that situation is just get up and stand closer to the doors as if anticipating my stop. That way she won't be insulted if she's not pregnant.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
HAHAHAHHAHAHA!! I just realized *THIS IS A BLOG! HOLY SHIT LOL.... HILARIOUS Idea :)). Tons of hilarious posts updated often with pretty good titles. will actually subscribe to this thing
- Matt Kaufman
even if you're pregnant. whose fault is it that you got knocked up? plus technically pregnant people aren't "disabled"
- Tyler Gillies
@Tyler true, but many pregnant women suffer from swollen legs and feet which is normal but can be painful.
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
Let's just say there's a ring of hell where people who are young and fit, and occupying those seats, go. It's a place where they have to stand for hours on the worst jolting, turbulent bus that never ends, and they have to pee. Or something.
- anna sauce
Tyler, being pregnant might not be a disability but the swelling, muscle tears, bone separation, and physical pain sure are disabiling.
- Rochelle
wow!!! I would say something
- Rachael Depp
Now, I'm the sort of person who would give up their seat for.. well, for most anyone, but I do take some small issue with the entitlement feeling here. Not from the disabled, or the pregnant. No, the comment that it should have been a man, not a girl who offered their seat up. Do my feet hurt less than a woman's after a long day?
- Marty
Tyler, it kind of sounds like you want to punish women for so inconveniently getting pregnant, damn us! Your mother would be proud.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
I feel bad if a woman is standing while I have a seat, pregnant/crutches or not. I offer my seat. Probably my Virginia upbringing.
- Hutch Carpenter
Hutch, I used to always give up my seat to any woman in the vicinity. But, once I started riding BART regularly, during rush hour, I came to embrace equal rights...and burdens. If one were to go the chivalrous route during rush hour, one would be guaranteed of never being able to sit down, as it always ends up SRO.
- Chester
@Chester - look at it as a continuing physical fitness opportunity for yourself!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Ha, this was just a blog I needed for writing an article. :-) Thx, Tamar.
- Ton Zijp
You bet. The sad thing and funny thing is that I am pretty sure this whole website is a parody and that the guy doesn't really have crutches, but the FF discussion certainly rings true -- and with that, I'm glad this blog exists.
- Tamar Weinberg
That website is some passive aggressive BS. Don't take pictures and post em, that's rude. Just ask the jerks to get up out of your seat. Be a Rosa Parks not a mean photog.
- Pete D
Pete, have you ever lived in NYC? And rude? Cmon - if someone really was on crutches and these jerks didn't get up, the only people who are rude are the people sitting comfortably. For real rudeness, look at this NYC subway blog: http://asleeponthesubway.tumblr.com/
- Tamar Weinberg
For other people who have contributed to the disability discussion, see this: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...
- Tamar Weinberg
From that link, you get this pregnancy disability story: http://blogs.wsj.com/juggle...
- Tamar Weinberg
I can't believe the defensiveness of some of the replies to that last one, Tamar. Calling expecting a seat during pregnancy "quaint" and so on. When someone is *clearly and visibly* about ready to pop a baby out, how about a little sympathy, people?? I haven't been pregnant yet, but it looks uncomfortable toward the end. I always jump up for elderly, disabled, or pregnant riders (when...
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- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Kamilah, I think the lack of compassion comes out of not experiencing the event. Personally, before I was pregnant, I had NO idea that it would be so hard -- I thought evolution/anatomy/biology would mean that it would be tolerable and easy. The only pains I have previously heard about associated with pregnancy was morning sickness and nausea, not all that other stuff. I actually am in...
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- Tamar Weinberg
Tisk, tisk, tisk... "unconscious humanity"
- Damien Robinson
I love being a sleep-deprived mommyblogger. I wrote my convoluted rant, incorporating most of what I've shared here and elsewhere (and what FFers contributed as well - at least via links). There are also some nice pics of baby. Please comment and share your thoughts. http://mymommyand.me/2009...
- Tamar Weinberg
Hilarious! I'm so happy you posted these pictures. Sick thing is that if they didn't see anything wrong at that time- they probably won't feel like complete a**es if they saw their pictures here.
- Gekd Boutique
I commented! I will have to say that is one of the best posts I have seen in awhile.
- Shevonne
Thanks Shevonne!!! We need an ongoing discussion too... I guess I'll have to make the post/blog more public.
- Tamar Weinberg
btw today on good day ny - they reported that the mta is going to ramp up going after these people - and giving them fines - how they will do that i have no idea - but they plan to do it.
- Allen Stern
No more bullshit. Join the revolution. The League of Moveable Type: http://theleagueofmoveabletype.com (via @Hybernaut) #typography #fonts
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I've written a guide to using and understanding the new Selectors API: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009...
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Dear HP: superimposing a screenshot of your Android app onto a BlackBerry Storm makes you look like an idiot. http://i.i.com.com/cnwk...
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Samsung Galaxy (I7500) für 437,50EUR bzw. 17,50EUR/Monat Vertragsfrei bei o2 MyHandy: http://www.o2online.de/nw... (pdf) via @phandroid
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The Twitpocalypse is Near: Will Your Twitter Client Survive? - http://simonwillison.net/2009...
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after the last 2.5 months with a newborn, my opinion on daycare has gone from "sounds expensive" to "cheap at any price"
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I'm sad to report that Virgin Atlantic is able to send me my password (i.e. they store cleartext or reversible hash)
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I think the greatest benefit of an ORM is in translating between object graphs and relational tuples, and not in shielding you from raw SQL
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I agree, but 'shielding from raw SQL' is a *very* close second, especially the vagaries of different SQL implementations.
- Michael R. Bernstein
dlsspy on The Halting Problem to be solved soon - http://www.reddit.com/r...
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"> e.g. you can write a program that terminates if and only if Fermat's last theorem is true Did you happen to notice the username of the guy who posted this req?"
- Dustin Sallings
Unser Wirtschaftsminister hat auch nicht so richtig viel verstanden. e-Petition in der Tagesschau http://www.youtube.com/watch... (via @heinzkamke)
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Hat mal jemand me merkbefereiung für ne minister mit dem extravornamen da?
- oliver gassner
My body is a goddamn snot-factory. Seriously. If they could turn this stuff into biofuel I could probably power most of Europe.
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nifty chalkboard animation http://vimeo.com/4347460
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That's pretty neat. Very creative.
- imabonehead
Django Heresies - http://www.slideshare.net/simon...
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Every time you {% endifnotequal %}, God kicks the Django Pony. MuahuHUAuhUHAhuHua, Great!
- Jordi Rivero
Top Ten Reasons I Returned My Kindle - http://www.bogost.com/blog...
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Ian Bogost has some good reasons why he wasn't quite ready to adapt to digital-only reading, but I thought this one was particularly interesting and unexpected. "Print books can be read during takeoff and landing; Kindle books cannot. That may seem like a detail to some of you, but for us frequent travelers, takeoff and landing are horrific, empty swaths of time to be filled only by the ennui of SkyMall."
- Wilson Miner
What Twitter Looks Like For Twitter Employees (SCREENSHOTS): http://www.businessinsider.com/what-tw...
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"Some of the cool things the screen shots reveal: * A fairly simple backend user-interface * The users Ashton Kutcher blocks * A "darkmode status" toolset that allows admins to shut down any number of features * Nifty analytics like users created per day over the last three day"
- Kasper Sorensen
from Bookmarklet
link?
- Steve and 4 other people
Link Added! Sorry, I'm some how messing up my posts when I us the firefox bookmarklet.
- Kasper Sorensen
Coupling asynchronous scripts - http://simonwillison.net/2009...
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Whatever Happened to the Top 15 Web Properties of April, 1999? http://technologizer.com/2009...
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Looks like there are few "long term" business opportunities on the fast-evolving Internets.
- Francine Hardaway
One gripe: I have issues with Glam making the new comers list. This idea of counting individual sites as a collective outside of advertising purposes is flawed. I run backup ads with GoogleAdsense, yet my numbers aren't counted in Google's total.
- Duncan Riley
Dear open source world: please provide permalinks for each of your software releases - otherwise I can't link to and discuss them properly
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