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Interesting blog about what's wrong with friendfeed's interface - http://bokardo.com/archive...
Chirag Chamoli, Kevin, Gökmen Karasu and 186 other people liked this
Joshua Porter does an awesome job here of explaining what's wrong with friendfeed's UI.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
I disagree with almost every one of those suggestions. [edit] I'd prefer more, not less on the page. This person doesn't use hide much I guess. Likes allow me to find other people, white space is always appreciated and comments are value added. Again, don't like a title, hide it. It's just not that hard.
- AJ Kohn
AJ: why?
- Robert Scoble
Friends of friends represent huge potential value. I think getting rid of that mechanic would be a big mistake. Placing less emphasis on it than primary relationships makes sense.
- Patrick Pushor
The interface I never knew I wanted - but I totally do. Some really great points in there.
- Shawn Farner
+1 AJ. The first suggestion might be valid but others... no, no and no.
- Tapio Kulmala
@Robert: I'd be okay with the ability to select how many items showed up on the page (default to 5 for newbies), but forcing it at 5. No thanks. I prefer scrolling to clicking by page, particularly with the speed in which things change on FF. White space is necessary to ensure you CAN scan the page. And comments is where the gold is. This interface would essentially reduce it to a one line Title interface, right?
- AJ Kohn
+1 AJ The reason more lines are shown as well as people you don't "know" is to help you discover more people, more feeds, and more content.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
GreaseMonkey does have a script that allows you to filter by content, so I think that is a great idea to already have it in FF. However, the other three opinions, I don't agree with, like the others. You don't care if someone you don't know liked something? The great thing about "Like" is that people that is subscribed to this person can view your content, so you get more exposure. Why wouldn't you want this?
- Shevonne
I'm all for compressing more content into the scarce vertical space. I run FF in Firefox using almost all of the 1200 vertical pixels of my monitor, and it's still not enough. But there is a difference between times when you want discovery and times when you want efficiency, I'd find ways to improve the set up for both MOs.
- LogEx
If they had everything in a single line, the vertical scrolling would be ridiculous. Maybe FF can have an option for people to hide comments, and click a link to show them, if they prefer. Maybe something similar to the WP FriendFeed plugin.
- Shevonne
As somebody in the article comments already posted, you can already turn off friend of friend opinions. Maybe that option needs to be easier to find but I agree with all, keep it on by default.
- Patrick Pushor
It appears he wants to use FF primarily as a news/info feed from select people with no commentary. I thought part of the allure off FF was the social commentary. And it always annoys me when people are so dismissive about seeing stuff from people other than the ones they've personally selected. Seems rather snooty.
- ronin
I do disagree on de-emphasizing the people though, it is FriendFeed after all. I like to be able to easily see who made the post, via what service, the title, and a quick scan of the metadata.
- LogEx
@saeba Bang on. FF is all about the commentary. Any competing service can build an aggregator.
- Patrick Pushor
saeba - snooty? I see it as a headache bypass. There are some people that are a huge pain in the head to read on a regular basis and are out there posting as much as possible. I personally do not want to subject my head to that. Snooty, not at all.
- Renee Hendricks
Most of the things he doesn't like are things that make FF good. For example, showing a few comments can generate interest in the entry even if the title is uninteresting. Finding new people partially comes from being able to see the full list of who liked the entry. I have to agree with the weighting problem though, I complained about that the first week.
- xero
Interesting observations, although I don't feel there's any major problems with the FriendFeed UI. Although that's just my 2p.
- Tyson Key
@TK There are definitely problems with the UI. As a web savvy individual the first time I experienced FF I didn't get it. That shouldn't be. However, I am not versed enough in UI design to suggest much else.
- Patrick Pushor
"Randomness helps us discover. It can create interest. It can lead to intent." http://friendfeed.com/e...
- AJ Kohn
@Susanne Isn't that what hide is for?
- ronin
saeba - I was just commenting on the "snooty" part. I'm very low on the "read me I'm popular" end of things and yet I find it necessary to hide a lot of Friends of stuff. Does it make me snooty? Hardly. Makes me headache free :D But, yes, that's what hide is for.
- Renee Hendricks
This from a guy that seemingly has never commented on any post other than his own and has made no (or few) direct FF posts. I somehow think he is missing something in the credibility department.
- Brian Sullivan
site is down. I didn't do it.
- Josh Haley
Went to read post and got this message "Error establishing a database connection". Worked when pressing Gray's links below.
- B2B Specialist
Sure, FF could (and will) make some improvements, but it's a pretty darn good UI as it is. I was slow to use Twitter and still don't that much. I never used traditional social sites that much, but "got" FF right away. Compared to any other social aggregation and discussion service, the FF UI is an order of magnitude better.
- LogEx
Every suggestion is bunk -- this is clearly not a serious user. Friend names *should* be the top item (this is, ahem, friend-feed). I do care who likes what -- I get to know people that way. A single line entry would be Google Reader -- thanks, I already have that option. Finally, if a title doesn't intrigue me, very often the comments do. +1 saeba, +1 xero
- Christopher Galtenberg
I really like the fact that FF shows you who liked what. If pure scannability is what you are after then just read FF from an RSS reader.
- barce
I have to say that I agree with a lot of what's already been said here about that article sounding like it came from someone that's not spent too much time in FF. I'll be honest and say that I have "friend of friend" off, and that it took me a while to realize how to do that. I think FF is great and a powerhouse of information if you know how to use it. Lets not remove that power to...
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- Matthew J Hendrickse
What barce said +1. Scanability is *not* the point of the main page. Social engagement is.
- Christopher Galtenberg
OK, link works now, and now I can comment on it. Mr. Porter, FriendFeed is not a feed reader. It allows the import of a bunch of feeds and could be used that way, but as you point out, the interface is not designed with that in mind foremost. The killer app of FriendFeed is that it is a centralized, customizable place to have conversations about almost any content. Trying to make FriendFeed like Google Reader (my assumption based on your post) will change the dynamic of what I believe is this killer app.
- Josh Haley
There are two major problems with Implementing his suggestions 1. Cluttered screen. 2. Increased need for mouse clicks to get to content. It should be go through serious testing before knowing which approach will give a better experience.
- Amit Morson
While I don't care for his suggestions personally, when I couple his ideas with Louis Gray's "Lite" idea, I think he's really on to something. If you want to go the "Lite" route, keep the initial interface as simple as possible, then let the user discover all of the features of the FriendFeed we know and love. Oh, you can see who liked this item? And you can see comments? And you can see things from friends of friends? Joshua is NOT using FriendFeed incorrectly; he's using it the way he wants to use it.
- Ontario Emperor
title here should read: "Uninteresting blog about what's right with friendfeed's interface". Sorry, Robert stop pumping links simply because you were mentioned in it. AJ nailed it in the second comment. Up next for this thread, what the author of this blog should learn to do on FF. HIDE.
- Carlos Ayala
This would be a cool little tweak - make links open in a 'new' tab.
- Jim Mitchem
I've solved most of the problems Joshua mentions by processing Friendfeed friend, room, list and search feeds through Google Reader. And I can absolutely guaranteee you that, using the GR interface, I can run circles around anyone using the FF interface in terms of grokking all the new FF activity in the areas of greatest interest to me (or any areas). Lightning-fast scanning and...
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- Sean McBride
Carlos, let's say that you put me behind the wheel of a NASCAR race car. Before I can drive the thing, I have to make a number of changes to the car to simplify it - "hide" this control, "hide" that control, etc. For newbie car drivers like me, why not come up with a model that's like a Honda Accord? If people insist that I'm using the NASCAR car incorrectly, then I'm not going to drive it at all - which is why more people use Twitter than FriendFeed. The firehose is not for everyone.
- Ontario Emperor
Sean, could you post a screenshot of your FriendFeed/GReader-based scanning solution?
- Ontario Emperor
OE makes a good point and an good analogy. How many of us circle the block in our cars for days, stopping every other time around to change the suspension settings?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
From a user interface standpoint, hiding items strikes me as extremely wrong. Not smart. Not efficient. I want to see the information that is most valuable to me with the least possible effort.
- Sean McBride
I wouldn't want a bunch of line items as if I'm reading email. I like seeing the comments and who has liked it. That is what makes me give an item with maybe a boring title another chance. One thing I would like is if my or my friends comments stood out a little better.
- Yolanda
Ontario: a single screenshot wouldn't capture my Google Reader view on Friendfeed. Anyone here can try this simple experiment: create a Friendfeed folder in GR, and add a few FF friend, room, list and search feeds. Be sure to include feeds for FriendFeedLinks, FFholic Most Discussed and Best of Day. You'll be able to rip through hundreds of items with the greatest of speed and...
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- Sean McBride
Sean, assuming the interface isn't omniscient, wouldn't the bare-bones case require you to add sources of information? And isn't that something users would be much less likely to do than Hide? I think the hide-based paradigm, while counter-intuitive, is more likely to lead to the success which is having just the right amount of feeds.
- Christopher Galtenberg
+1 Barce - yeah if the guy wants an RSS-feed pure list of his friends' content, just pull his feed it into Google Reader via RSS... then he can scan headlines all he wants, and he doesn't have to care about likes or comments...
- Nathan Chase
Christopher - you are correct that it takes a bit of effort to add FF feeds to GR, and probably requires more skill with feed management than most net users possess. We need a slick interface to expedite the process. But try this: go to Best of Day http://friendfeed.com/summary... and click on the RSS icon in the address bar. If you are already a GR user, you will be served up a...
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- Sean McBride
I discovered this post through GR, by the way.
- Sean McBride
I also use a Twitter folder in FF to cut through all the noise. From my bird's-eye view, FF and Twitter are just bundles of easily manipulable feeds.
- Sean McBride
Sean, that's actually a pretty brilliant idea, cause I always forget to check the "best of the day", so it would make for a good "news feed" to check, since most of the posts are important news/articles, or at the very least, important memes/social conversations among FF users
- Nathan Chase
Nathan: in my FF folder in GR I place FriendFeedLinks in the number one slot; FFholic Most Discussed in the second slot; and Best of Day in the third slot. It takes me less than five minutes a day to identify the most important new posts on FF as a whole. If I were unable to create this interface, I wouldn't bother using FF at all -- it would be a serious waste of time.
- Sean McBride
Sean: I'm subscribing to you based purely on my respect for your l33t news-reading skillz
- Nathan Chase
More: I find the posts of certain FF users to be exceptionally valuable, like Anthony Citrano, Meryn Stoll, Paul Buchheit and Louis Gray. From my GR view, I can quickly see that user X has posted *number new posts. I can then click on a user's feed, scan the headings of all their new posts, and zoom in on the posts that strike me as most interesting. Viewing all their items as a single list/group gives me a much better conceptual understanding of their posts, without wading through torrents of noise.
- Sean McBride
More: my FF and Twitter folders in GR are nicely integrated with many other folders, all of which are prioritized by importance. I manage all these feeds under a single interface. My lead folder is Top 10 Feeds, and includes BreakingNewsOn, CNET News, FriendFeedLinks, Lifehacker, NYT - Breaking News, NYT - Technology, Slashdot, Yahoo! News: Mideast Conflict, Yahoo! News: Technology and Yahoo! News: Top Stories.
- Sean McBride
Sean - I'll bet your desk is clean too.
- Scott Maentz
Nathan - I've been strongly interested in optimizing my news-reading flow for several years now. This current setup that I've described is the best method for news reading I've discovered to date.
- Sean McBride
Scott - minimizing to the max, getting rid of clutter, streamlining, more bang for the buck, etc. is almost a religion for me. :) That is why I fell in love with the Google aesthetic from the first week that Google was released to the world.
- Sean McBride
Gabe - if I am in the middle of a hot discussion on FF, I simply click on http://friendfeed.com/seanmcb... to read and respond to the latest comments in near real time. But 95% of the really valuable posts on FF are captured in GR soon enough.
- Sean McBride
Sean - More power to you! I also love Google products and use them as exclusively as possible.
- Scott Maentz
I neglected to mention a key point: ALL the items of interest in ALL my feeds (including Friendfeed and Twitter) are easily searchable and retrievable from a single user interface: Google Reader. And if you star items of interest as you scan and read them, the search space is significantly narrowed. And I can forward any of these items as email, and tag them. What's not to like?
- Sean McBride
For all people who are noting that Google Reader items do not appear in realtime, it should be noted that most FriendFeed shares don't make it to the FriendFeed UI in realtime either. So it doesn't sound like you're losing much by using Google Reader as your FriendFeed interface. I'll experiment with Sean's system a bit and see what I think about it.
- Ontario Emperor
I would hate that interface. I don't agree with any of it. I love FoaF and if I don't want stuff from a certain user, I hide them. If I don't want a service showing up, I hide it.
- Mattie Kenny
The basic Friendfeed user interface is like logrolling or birling: I'll wager that most new users lose their balance quickly and fall off the log. I am a speed reader, and can absorb huge flows of text easily, but I can't begin to get a handle on the FF flow from the main page -- it's mostly random chaos. Surely this interface issue will continue to be a major obstacle to achieving...
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- Sean McBride
Gabe - check out the FriendFeedLinks feed http://friendfeedlinks.com/ Is it really important to see these items in real time? They are valuable to me within 24 hours or a week. The more one is distracted by trivial posts, the less one has time to focus on important posts.
- Sean McBride
I know this is a plug for my own code, but https://launchpad.net/myff (demo at can be seen in the iframe on the right at http://zzzen.jottit.com) tries to address such problems. Not exactly the *same* problems [and it shows my discussion stream (comments+likes) and not my "what's new" stream], but the code is there, and it's easy to add features. Feel free to use this with your own user name (e.g. http://myff.zzzen.webfactional.com/api...) as an iframe.
- ĎÚβĨŐÚŚ Dod
Ontario - try this experiment: add the feeds for your five favorite friends to a Google Reader Friendfeed folder. I think you will find that you will be able to track their new posts with much greater speed and ease than from Friendfeed. One is not equally interested in all the posts from one's favorite friends: GR makes it possible to find the most interesting posts with a quick scan down the list.
- Sean McBride
Dod: intriguing FF interface. But no features for starring, tagging, sharing, emailing, prioritizing and searching. Yes? No?
- Sean McBride
Some interesting comments but I don't agree with all. E.g. it's sometimes interesting to see who has "liked" a post as that might be someone I want to follow. However I do think there should be more options for hiding or compressing content as you choose
- Mark Warren
I'm pretty happy with the interface as it is. In fact, I think when you compare it to other social networking/sharing services like twitter, identi.ca, facebook, linkedin, etc... I think it wins hands down. The issues Joshua highlights seem trivial to me, and his recommendations might make the service less useful as Mattie noted above.
- Jim Hearts FF
I agree with the disagreers here. He obviously just wants a gReader with a Gmail UI and links to a (probably mostly unused) commenting feature (to put it bluntly..).
- Thomas Bøhm
@Sean persistent storage of MyFF is friendfeed itself, and the only way to change its content would be via posts, comments and likes. | I *could* keep some external info in a database at the app's server, but this would require user-auth, backups, etc. and spoil the "zero-admin" fun. | Search I can [and should] do, so you'd "tag" by saying [e.g.] tag-widget (like I just did) and then search for it. | An "item to top" cheat is to delete and re-add one of my own comments (only works for discussion feed)
- ĎÚβĨŐÚŚ Dod
An interesting list, but I'm sure if those changes were made that new ones would spring up. The 100% perfect interface will never likely come.
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
Maybe FF could allow people to Hide parts of the interface.
- Christopher Galtenberg
I responded on josh's blog. He's a smart guy who actually did the first iteration of Grazr's home page. Unfortunately the problem is not the interface. It's what *is* friendfeed. He starts the argument with a supposition of what it is, and that's *not* what FriendFeed is to me (or I gather a lot of other people).
- mikepk
That certainly got the discussion going. What this tells me is that there needs to be several (three would be the best number) different pre-configured default types of FF that are easy to find for new users. Provide an icon in the left sidebar that goes to a page that offers the three options with descriptions on how each benefits users. Then let them easily toggle between them so they can pick what they like best without having to know how to alter defaults or know anything more.
- Internet Strategist
@Strategist, that's one way to approach it, but it dillutes your efforts. It also makes the interface more confusing, not less for initial users. It also means you have to figure out what the default is, as a large percentage of people will never explore beyond a default configuration. Everything has a tradeoff.
- mikepk
choice is good,..but too much choice is bad. regarding the OP i disagree completely with all of his "ideas". i def want to see who liked what. i often feel interested in ppl that like things based on topics. all this screen estate talk bash is silly too. the way FF is structured right now makes it possible for each topic to look the same no matter how much text it contains aso. what i would like to see improved is comment rating as @DIGG and filtering. its essential to sort out spammers.
- Chris Hofmann
The post was obviously satire, since he titled it "modest" suggestions for updating FriendFeed, and because his suggestions are clearly chosen to be shocking and wrong.
- Joshua Allen
Dod - there is a great deal of FF material sitting on Google's servers now, and easily accessible through GR's search interface. In fact, material that has been deleted from FF is still available on GR.
- Sean McBride
Joshua, I'm assuming that comment was intended to be saitire. :) I've met josh, I think his suggestions where legit, although it may have been to just spark conversation.
- mikepk
Another intriguing data point, Josh's blog has 17 comments at the moment. On FriendFeed this share has way more than that and is "liked by over 100 people. So again, what is the *purpose* of FriendFeed, what *is* it. That is the hard question.
- mikepk
"So again, what is the *purpose* of FriendFeed, what *is* it. That is the hard question." - Is it? "History" is full of examples of products that were created for one purpose, but were more useful doing something else. FF started as an RSS aggregator - it's evolving based on how we use it.
- John Craft
FF is a powerful vortex that is going to suck in all the blog commentary in the world. :) Maybe not too much an exaggeration. The interface as its stands blows away all the blog comment interfaces out there, in my opinion.
- Sean McBride
@mikepk: I wouldn't be so sure. I subscribe to Josh's blog as well, but the usage of the word "modest" in a proposal hearkens back to Swift's famous "modest proposal". He left some big red flags in there, like pretending to forget that people have mouse wheels.
- Joshua Allen
Yes, all SM is in a major state of flux. And perhaps it will always be that way. Making *it* whatever *you* want *it* to be.
- Jim Mitchem
Thanks for the comments on my post, everyone. I should have made it more clear that I'm not suggesting Friendfeed get rid of its social features...that would reduce the service to a mere feed reader. I completely agree that those features help make FF what it is. What I am suggesting is that in the current design I think they could be presented more efficiently, and as a result I find it hard to scan to find good content quickly.
- Joshua Porter
Yes, it is a hard question. If its use is evolving, and it's not based on it's initial conception (which, you're right, is the norm rather than the exception) then answering that question in the contest of trying to make interface design decisions *is* excruciatingly difficult. you're left with a) leave it alone and allow the evolution to continue b) try to formulate what it is to give users a better experience of *that*. Scoble and Josh have a different use pattern than I do, and probably you do.
- mikepk
"answering that question in the contest of trying to make interface design decisions *is* excruciatingly difficult." - I think the answer is to make the interface more configurable. Create your own style in the same way you create a WordPress theme or a date format - using defined components, and styling them individually.
- John Craft
John, but the more configurable you make it, the more confusing it becomes for users. I've been at this for almost three years now. It's counter-intuitive but the more options you give someone to tailor their experience the more likely they are to choose *none of the above*. Simplicity suffers greatly when you can't answer that fundamental question of what you *are*.
- mikepk
Again - as with any media, it is what YOU make it. Except of course if you subscribe to cable, in which case you get what they give you and pay for it through the nose. My point is that if the medium is in place, and it's pliable, we each use it to our individual preferences. That's why FF will not ever go away - but continue to morph into a highly user-friendly interface that will continue to attract users because of its concatenation/aggregation features. Duh. ;)
- Jim Mitchem
Friendfeed has a UI, I'd just a burned-in green screen away from being a Univax Server. Useful? Yes, but elegant and pretty?
- Matthew DeVries
Here's a simple thought experiment, imagine a poll of the people commenting in this tread "what's the one user interface change you would make that would most improve your experience of FriendFeed". If you didn't get 100 different answers I'd be surprised. That's the hard part.
- mikepk
imo, the point of Josh's post is that for the casual observer, FF looks intimidating. As frivolous as it sounds, 'Appearance' and how the UI is organized *is the most important touchpoint* for the consumer. As it stands now, many just don't have the time nor the inclination to tackle the steep learning curve FF requires--there are just too many demands on attention online. Another barrier to entry, which Josh didnt raise, are the confusing account settings which could be better described w/bubble help.
- Lee Hsieh
"the more configurable you make it, the more confusing it becomes for users." True - but with a "standard" format (like this one), or a few to choose from, it doesn't have to be. Let new users start with something pre-determined, then migrate to their own custom skin if/when they're ready.
- John Craft
Having FoAF defaulted does seem to cause confusion - though it helped me, personally. But if a person is too lazy to scroll, that's not FriendFeed's problem. Sometimes the headline is irrelevant, but the convo contains more valuable information. If I wanted to see headlines from pre-selected people, I would go to Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
Lee, good point. There are a lot of competing requirements. Further complicating these kinds of discussions are things like the initial user experience. It's like a variant of the old engineering adage, you can have it intuitive and simple, powerful, or efficient but you can only pick two to optimize. :)
- mikepk
Here's something 'right' about FF UI, the 'open in mini-window' live stream. Very cool.
- Jim Mitchem
For those who caught Sean McBride's comments earlier about using Google Reader to find interesting FriendFeed content, I *did* give it a try and have taken a couple of screen shots. 1 of 2 (with associated discussion) http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Ontario Emperor
2 of 2 (again with associated discussion) http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Ontario Emperor
And, as Sean noted, such a system is purported to help you locate things easier. So if you're now interested in Yolanda's item (the one at the bottom), it's here. http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Ontario Emperor
I don't know why people are interested in making FF a walled garden. FF remains one of the most enjoyable means of content discovery for me. I think it's something less without FOAF. I would make it a toggle feature on account creation, but not remove it. I'm constantly finding relevant new people through the feature. I think the interface is the strong point - FF is not Google Reader or Gmail - as it's conversation oriented, hence long threads (though for people wanting aggregation *only*, I see the point)
- Mo Kargas
Ontario - nice work on the screenshots. Do you notice now that you can view comments and likes from GR? And that it usually takes no more clicks to uncompress comments for the original FF page from GR than from FF itself? One click on "*number more comments" in GR will drop you into the middle of the discussion stream on Friendfeed, with all comments uncompressed.
- Sean McBride
Hmm... quickly glancing at my GR subscriptions list I see 2 new posts from Patricia, 1 new post from Paul Buchheit, 2 new posts from Veselka, 24 new posts from Dave Winer, etc. A few clicks exposed the lists of new items to view, and I found six items worth clicking through to. All now marked as read, and no need to see again. That was really fast. Knowledge garnered. Desk cleared.
- Sean McBride
So he just wants to turn it into filtered feed reader where only the A-list really gets a look in? What utter bollocks. The strength of FriendFeed is in its social interaction and sharing across the service. Note to Paul Buchheit: please don't do any of these.
- Duncan Riley
@duncan: sounds like you're saying that he's missing the "friend" part of FriendFeed...
- .LAG liked that
This entry had so many comments it would open up in the home feed btw
- Tyler (Chacha)
I guess I disagree with the premise that FF is not supposed to be a firehose. It was a point made by both @Scobleizer and @LeoLaporte in the first seconds of the newest TWiT that FF is supposed to be a firehose. You only pay attention to it when you're looking at it. You step in to it, get your skin ripped off. Then go about your day. There's already readers and such out there that refine the content for you, FriendFeed is about realtime content creation. It only needs the eyes that are on it to run.
- Matthew DeVries
And those eyes aren't necessarily yours. You don't sit down to FriendFeed to catch up on a damn thing, you look it to see what is going on now as everything in it whips around and past you.
- Matthew DeVries
You can't review history... just too much of it has happened. What this type of medium is going to become is a way to take stuff that interests you, and is currently happening, and being fine if you miss some of it
- Tyler (Chacha)
I love the fact that Friendfeed will take the 'likes' of people I subscribe to and give them to me, 435 people can't cover/write/create it all.
- Tyler (Chacha)
now we can see who's really on FF
- Donovan Slennon
+1 Matthew. I like the fire hoseness of FF. The other great function is to zero in on one friend and see what he/she is up to. That was probably the original intention. The social media blast is a cool side benefit.
- Seth Gottlieb
@mikepk dilutes how? I agree that most never change the defaults and get confused which is precisely why I suggest that we offer new users a choice of three "views" with suggestions based on how they want to use FF.
- Internet Strategist
@Chris Hofmann Yes, too many choices cause indecision. That is why it needs to be two or at most three and there has to be a VERY simple suggestion on which someone should pick. Otherwise some won't do anything.
- Internet Strategist
Ok... I'm not trying to be snippy - and I think discussing how to make FF better is great... but for the love of (name your deity) can we stop the friggin' navel gazing. Things evolve... let's give it some time to do that and stop posting on this thread... jeeeezzzzzzz
- Brian Roy
I didn't entirely agree - I like the layout and seeing comments/likes from new people, too
- Sarah Perez
I think Friendfeed would be better off focusing on the functionality over the UI. 3rd parties can deal with changing the UI, but adding functionality like Track/Block can't be done by anyone but FF
- Tyler (Chacha)
I'd like to correct that last statement .. Track/Block can't be done 'well' by anyone by FF. Because 3rd parties can do it, but probably FF could do it better
- Tyler (Chacha)
what a great time to be a FriendFeed developer -- recent tips from power users like Scoble, Gray, and other interesting tidbits like this one. They have so much input now, I wonder what direction they'll take next?
- Pete Delucchi
I wish there were a way I could tell FF to give me only the comments of people in my network when there's a huge number like this...as long as we're making a wish list.
- Rae21
This entry has so many comments it won't open up without me navigating to its page. Grrr
- Tyler (Chacha)
Yeah, Looks like Robert Scoble is a firehose. :) I'm new here. I don't think I'll be friending him.
- Rae21
Rae21: that is pretty smart! But I am looking for great items for you. Just build a new list. Call it "noisy asshole" or something like that. Then add me to that list.
- Robert Scoble
I felt a little guilty about commenting because I didn't want to take up too much vertical space. Sue me.
- Robert Peña
-1. The name is "FriendFeed", not "Firehose". The people are just as important as the feed. Don't lose that, or the mechanisms which promote discovery of new ppl.
- Nick Lothian
Added as a CON for now on the FF PRO vs CON list (for now): http://friendfeed.com/e...
- B2B Specialist
Nick just said it right ^
- Christopher Galtenberg
Holy crap, @kevinrose bought me an iPhone for Xmas. White, 16gb. Typing on it now. I....can't believe it. Thank you!!
- Well golly gee Kevin, I'm sitting here without an iPhone and I know you don't really know me, but sure would be nice to give you a call on that shiny new iPhone if you're passing them out..... :)
- Mark Holmes
from IM
Welcome to the iPhone revolution. Does this mean even more tweets from you btw? Hint: We enjoy your can photos. :)
- Matthew J Hendrickse
[Edited: See my comment] The ability to "hide" one specific post. Sometimes even the most interesting post starts to become annoying as more people leave comments on it. At times, I'd love to just click on "hide this entry", and not have it jump back to the top because someone has commented.
I must be missing something... I was pretty sure "Hide" was supposed to hide an entry permanently, even if someone else comments/likes it. This isn't the behavior you're seeing?
- Ken Sheppardson
Yea, I was under the impression that this was how "Hide" functioned already.
- Mattie Kenny
Yeah - ignore me. I thought it was as well... Was just not working for me earlier for some reason. But I can hide again like I thought I should be able to.
- Matthew J Hendrickse
For those of you who are self employed...do you ever REALLY take time off? I am having trouble NOT answering my email. How do you do it?
I find the only way to take time off it to force myself to switch the phone and computer off. I don't do it as much as I should however.
- Matthew J Hendrickse
from twhirl
How do you know you are a Twitter addict? You are reading this now. At least I am getting last-minute shopping done too! ;-)
sofarsoShawn, Justin Levy, Andy Breeding and 19 other people liked this
Look at you shopping on Christmas Eve. You're a guy! I'm watching your interview with Loic:-)
- Francine Hardaway
I'm reading this in Friendfeed so that makes me a Friendfeed addict instead.
- Morton Fox
You were supposed to treat us to no more Twitter tonight...
- Pete Delucchi
Count me in...
- Brandon
Now give her back her iPhone! :)
- directeur
It's 3am xmas morning here - and my excuse is a case of my clean clothes for the morning still being in the washing machine.
- Matthew J Hendrickse
But what if I read it on FriendFeed?
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, Bwana! :)
- Lindsay
Bwana: abandon all hope of recovery then!
- Robert Scoble
Count me in the FriendFeed addict crowd.
- elroy
From my side it means I'm a FF addict ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
yes I am!!! Merry Christmas
- catepol
I twittered from the Movies today. Guess I'm an addict, too!
- Douglas Karr
from twhirl
I am spending at least five hours a day Twittering and reading tweets. In addition, I am tracking blogs, authors and author's Twitter names. I'm not only severely addicted to Twitter, I'm TERMINAL.
- J. D. Ebberly
Oh, oh, @techcrunch thinks I need a friendfeed intervention! Check this out:
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My reply: http://scobleizer.com/2008...
- Robert Scoble
Wow....Bottom line; YES that is a TON of time, but you wisely defended it as you're migrating your "content" here on FF, generating more buzz for your blog and engage way more people. I, of course, am biased cuz I need "intervention" too. I was going to launch a "blog" but found that FF became my blog for short term writing / sharing needs. I still plan to launch a blog in 2009, but am planning that out
- Susan Beebe
Ask him when he's taking up @guykawasaki on his absence from Twitter for a week bet
- Jesse Stay
I would like to see more of you doing short video responses via QIK than reading. Seeing you is much more interesting that reading, and it makes you much more "real". You can SAY more with an INFLECTION in your voice than a paragraph of words.
- Ari Burton
I think another gain would be the broadening range of topics you are able to cover in dynamic discussion versus a static (by comparison), drawn out blog. Twitter is to blogs what the Internet was to newspapers.
- Jim W
Hello, my name is Alan and I'm addicted to Twitter :-)
- Alan Kodzasov
Nah I like Peppermint :P
- Ari Burton
I think you should do it all. Blog, tweet, and 'feed. What the split should be? I dunno.
- Eric Florenzano
your realtime funnel of friends is impressive
- Genaro Bardy
We have Scoble and YOU CAN'T HAVE HIM BACK! :P LOL
- Ari Burton
you're saying you chave 68000 people you can show potential sponsors. Did you ever ?
- Genaro Bardy
What are there 40,000 BOTS answering Scoble? LOL :)
- Ari Burton
Michael, you're funny. Genaro: I haven't been asked by my current sponsors yet, but they can look at all the people I'm interacting with on FriendFeed to get a good sense of who is here and on Twitter you can see all of my followers. Same on Facebook. So, sponsors generally have a pretty good idea of what kind of people I'll reach.
- Robert Scoble
I can't help it I love this http://i.friendfeed.com/01c01f9...
- Ari Burton
Robert you are doing a fantastic job pioneering new apps and showing us all the way, keep going and ignore the criticism. You are practising being a Thought Leader without the need to blog too.
- Thomas Power
What you have done is balanced out your activity between Twitter, FriendFeed, Blogging, Videos, etc. Others who would prefer you stay siloed don't like that you've diversified. Why close the door on a significant audience, like one here, to maintain an old one?
- Louis Gray
What?!? You blogged your response? You're falling right into his hands.
- Christian Anderson
Robert and Michael, call me paranoid but I bet you guys both organized this rant & rave together to raise some valid questions about the changing nature of the social web. I think there's a place for focused writing of blogs but I can't help thinking Robert's experiment of jumping into the fray is both bold and worthwhile. It could easily be said that M's clinging to the old for reasons like thought leadership could possibly put him in a position of being obsolete very quickly. Love both of you!
- Lance Shields
I wanted to agree with this post but Ari's comments are making me laugh too much.
- james rock
Michael, I think Robert mainly gets input from his readers. That said, advice is also good for grown ups
- Alexandros Georgiadis
I like michael´s funny comments here. I never bothered reading anything else but the headlines from TC before but now I may take a closer look (get it, michael..? ;)
- Thomas Bøhm
This reminds me of the ladies who cried fowl when computers came along..."Noooo don't take my Smith-Corona away!"
- Susan Beebe
I don't have a Tech Crunch comment account so I am pasting this here. In response to Susan Beebe, Michael Arrington stated: "and the “conversation” is fine. But Robert’s brain is better used actually writing articles that I want to read. Watching people grunt back and forth is entertaining but hardly educational." My response: "Rude."
- Mona Nomura
If you were just a regular guy with a regular job OK, it may be a little much. But..you're a leader in this business and trying to keep us informed. Frankly, I'm a big fan, and feel like I would be missing out if you contributed less.
- Missionary Broadcasting
Thought Leader = Adopting Today What Others Will Be Doing Tomorrow = Robert Scoble
- Joe Lima
Mike makes good points and he does it out of respect for Robert. These are two of the hardest working guys I've come across. Mike sees the value he is building at TechCrunch and sees the value Robert is building for Twitted/FriendFeed. As far as I know, Robert doesn't get anything for that. I don't agree that Robert's time is not well spent, but can definitely see Mike's point.
- Christian Anderson
"S**gate" getting a mention here from Robert every time there´s talk of storage is better promotion than plain ads on his blog. They should be happy about that, and I´m sure pay him equally well for that.
- Thomas Bøhm
Yeah, I agree with Christian that M has good points and I think this debate is very good to consider. How do we spend our time? What is truly valuable? Is Robert poorer than he used to be? ;-)
- Lance Shields
Your audience is more qualified than any else... That's interesting. No Media can link to facebook / twitter / ff accounts to give insights about its audience ! That's Power my friend
- Genaro Bardy
Mona - I posted a response to Michael here http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- Susan Beebe
Hey Robert! I hate to say this but I kinda agree with Michael on this one. I use to read you blog every day. I loved how insightful your post were. I could tell that you put a great deal of thought into your blog, and in turn, your blog provoked me to think. I like following you on friendfeed, but it is just not as thought-provoking. I have also started visiting your blog less because there is just not as much there.
- Craig Fogle
I think Robert's brand is portable enough that he can survive outside of his own domain. At the end of the day, it's about engaging people through whatever means possible, whether that's your blog or FriendFeed, Twitter etc. For what it's worth, I had never read Robert's blog before I used FriendFeed. In some respects there's probably an element of Michael using Robert's popularity to drive a bit of traffic his way. Looks like it worked too.
- Sam
Mike hasen’t noticed your videos, does that tell us more about Mike or your videos?
- paul mooney
How about spending time where it matters to you? Maybe Mike should spend less time worrying where others spend their time. It's your time, spend it where you want.
- Brett Nordquist
Your post a while back on *real* productivity, helped me a lot and I feel answers this already. Outside of your family what you want to do more than anything else is have lots of great conversations with people. FF enables you to do this more than your blog can. So by that standard you don't need an intervention - you're possibly the most productive person on the planet! :)
- Matthew J Hendrickse
How do I sign up for this rehab thing? seems like all the "cool" people are doing it.
- Bob Blunk
Honestly, I believe all these services should be merged somehow... Maybe if Friendfeed allowed for longer posts (although then it wouldn't be microblogging, but isn't Twitter for that?) people would start to move here. FF is a very young service yet: let's see how it expands and then we'll be able to choose between FF and traditional blogs.
- Jordi Soler
Honestly, I feel that half the time I spend on Friendfeed could be more productively spent elsewhere. It *is* addictive, and you don't want to miss out on anything, but I've spent hours there without much to show for it. On the other hand, there are times where it's sheer genius to have that much input.
- Glen Mistletoe
Once nanoblogging and picoblogging catch fire, this microblogging will seem tedious and time-consuming. Last Thursday, at 10 AM, I picoblogged an entire week of bloggage. Took about ten minutes.
- david beckwith
Wow David, that's maybe the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
- Geoffrey Hamilton
from twhirl
I'm starting a trip to London today. - http://www.dopplr.com/travell...
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I'll be there from December 5th until December 7th. See more in my Dopplr profile.
- Robert Scoble
excellent weather this time of the year
- Dave Hodson
"excellent weather" = "bring insulated, waterproof clothing"...
- Jules
Nice to have you visiting our fine country for the weekend. Gives me hope that you're maybe able to tell us all about some amazing "something" from the UK. :)
- Matthew J Hendrickse
I am here in London for the first time and loving it. Working on getting a visit to Google's HQ with no luck so far.
- Johnny Makkar
Bring thermal undies, the weather is atrocious at the moment. Not that it's great under normal circumstances.
- Kate
Look forward to hearing what you're up to here Robert
- Drew B
welcome. it's a lovely place
- sofiagk
Robert, nice to have you in London. What about the Sunday meet up, you talked about earlier today?
- Bastian
I feel like I haven't seen much of you. When does LeWeb start?
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
Have fun... http://portlanders.ning.com is the best place in the uk ::o) here we have the only olympic site yet to be finished. the sailing. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Drew: mostly we're just here to visit with Maryam's brother, but I'm looking to meet up with geeks and on Sunday night we're doing a meetup, too. Email me scobleizer@gmail.com for details about that.
- Robert Scoble
You should get the train down to Brighton - an hour south of London. It's the UK's equivalent of SF. Loads of small tech companies and a great geek community.
- Jamie M
Having a drinks meeting with some peeps from the BBC at the Polo Lounge, very nice ;)
If this "drinks meeting" turns into you doing something with the BBC, my respect for the BBC will go though the roof!
- Matthew J Hendrickse
While I largely agree with Pogue's review of the Blackberry Storm, the one line that got me was "A BlackBerry without a keyboard is like an iPod without a scroll wheel." Oh, you mean like an iPod Touch? - http://www.nytimes.com/2008...
David Fendley, Jared B. Luther, MVB (Curmudgeon of FF) and 5 other people liked this
Yeah, don't think that one was thought all the way through...
- Jeremy Osborne
Pogue also posted an update about reader response (can't paste the link from my iPhone...). He prints lots of comments from readers who agree with his review, none from those who don't, then uses a few crackpot comments to make a "BlackBerry nuts" jibe. Seems like he has an axe to grind...
- Jules
I think he's got a point though - Have both? Cup of drink in one hand, which can you pick out a single song from a list of hundreds quicker on with the other hand? Wheel or touch?
- Chris Weiss
from twhirl
If there's one thing Pogue hates, it's criticism. No one likes it, but he goes to great lengths to refute it.
- Veronica
Chris, frankly the scroll wheel tires the heck out of my thumb. I've found that I can find songs faster on the touch/iPhone.
- Veronica
I was surprised to see that the readers agreed with Pogue about his review. As soon as I saw Gruber's post, I thought there would be a RIM riot, but nope.
- Larry Hudson
I'm sure the ones he picked were a little skewed.
- Veronica
I'm faster with the scroll wheel, too much twitching to be accurate with the touch - maybe the other hand should be holding decaf instead :)
- Chris Weiss
from twhirl
I had to use someone's iPod Classic this weekend past to quickly make a playlist, and since I've been using the iPhone I seem to have lost the skill to make playlists quickly on the old iPod's scroll wheel.
- Matthew J Hendrickse
Why aren't there any FriendFeed Native iPhone Apps in Apple App Store, when there are so many for Twitter? It would be cool to have a native app for FriendFeed too.
Maybe I am the only one who thinks that would be cool?
- Svartling
I think most people just find that the iphone version of the website is enough. I'm wanting a nice FF app myself, but haven't found one or had time to right one myself yet.
- Matthew J Hendrickse
I think it would be much better to have a native iphone app. Both faster and easier to follow.
- Svartling
iPhone Apps.
Eula, Daniel Schildt, Mike Navarre and 13 other people liked this
OK, stop talking politics for a second and tell me your favorite iPhone apps.
- Robert Scoble
hmm...good question.. I'm really digging Evernote and Facebook App
- Kyle Lacy
Flashlight!
- Rochelle
Evernote, Remote (great for rating tracks while playing your library from across the network), Pick & Choose (decent-enough grocery list), Twitteriffic (of course)...
- Akiva Moskovitz
Yah Akiva. Twitterific is tight.. It screws up sometimes on me though.
- Kyle Lacy
I like A Level. Little thing, but useful and cool.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, the Bible app rocks!
- Terry Storch
city transit - useful in nyc
- mike "glemak" dunn
Did you really mean to post that, or was it a misdirected search in the post box that you just ran with?
- DGentry
I like the one I haven't finished writing yet
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Stanza (eBook Reader) & Shovel (Digg app)
- CannonGod
nytimes, citytransit, hanoi, tris, othello
- naveen
Pandora, Frotz
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Instapaper is great!
- Dan Shust
To Do, for being just so simple. Tris, for being fun and quick to load. Twitterific, for being a good model of an ad-supported free app.
- Davis Shaver
I like 'The Pocket and the Pendant' ebook but I may be a little biased :) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObje...
- Mark Jeffrey
tris. just like tetris, only it's easier to do on the iPhone. awesome timewaster (just like twitterific).
- Leesa Barnes
Shazam and PhoneSaber
- Justin Korn
21Pro is just about the best Blackjack I've played on any platform.
- Sean O
Denton: this one I meant to post. Sometimes I do mistakenly post a search term.
- Robert Scoble
Air Sharing brings dead-simple-to-use wireless file sharing to the iPhone. And it works well. Free, but only through the end of next week.
- Sean O
Twitteriffic. I have about 3 pages of apps but I use all the other very infrequently. I also have paid for a single app. Only free for me. No games apps either.
- Dean Clark
Wikipanion for speedy access to Wikipedia; AirMe for easy mobile photo uploads to Flickr; Now Playing for local movie showtimes and ratings from Rotten Tomatoes.
- Aaron Draczynski
vnclite, winterboard, qik, cydia, and of course terminal
- 808blogger
Also 'Pocket Guitar' is pretty smokin'. And not just because it too has 'Pocket' in the title :)
- Mark Jeffrey
forgot hahlo3 for Twitter
- 808blogger
Trism (game), Ambiance (sounds), Clinometer (tool), PakSound (toy), iCounter (y'know those things where you press a button and it increments a counter by one? It's that. Simple, obvious UI - does one thing perfectly)
- Linda Eskin
New iPod Touch 2G: Twitterific, AOL Radio, 21 Pro (Sponsored) and definitely Air Sharing!
- Mike Shulman
Oh, and the physics engine in MotionX Poker makes you feel like you're shaking real dice in a box. Pirillo sold me on it with a post & video just after launch.
- Sean O
Well besides Safari, Mail, Clock, Camera, Phone and iPod :o) .... Netshare, Air Sharing, Now Playing, Last.fm, Pandora. Have yet to play a lot of games but Enigmo and Cubic Lite have been fun.
- Paul Reynolds
PipelineDeals just launched iphone web app this week - give it a test drive.
- JP Werlin
@seisiuneer has been having way too much fun with PocketGuitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Linda Eskin
3 pages total, but these are the most frequent and my faves: Evernote, Twinkle, Todo, Datacase, Aurora Feint, Last.fm, Wordpress, Palringo, Facebook, ShoZu.
- Ernie Oporto
Twitterific, Shazam, Evernote and Pandora. Not necessarily in that order.
- Dru Kelly
Netshare, GPSTwit, Air Sharing, Twitterfone, Here I Am, and Sportacular oh and Simplifymedia and Airme
- Mardee Thompson
Air Sharing is just out in temporary free mode. Yelp, Cydia, Cycorder, iPint, Snatch. Pandora. Also like my web app for iphone billboard mode, http://www.iblipper.com
- Andy Edmonds
Evernote, Things, Twitteriffic, AOL Radio, Pandora, and iDrum
- Dean Terry
Things - by far the BEST app!! TapTapTap, Twitterific, SMS, HolyBible
- Mr K
Splashid ,twitterific, airsharing evernote and yahoo oneconnect
- Fuad Arshad
The one that will launch at the Tech Crunch party in Austin on 9/26...or immediately following the TC party.
- Tim Hayden
Zenbe, Twitterriffic Premium, Last.fm
- © b e e n s w a n k
iGo to play Go and Phonezap to make ringtones from my songs.
- Neyma Jahansooz
Twitterific, Remote, Pandora, Solitaire, LastFM, Movies, Eventful, Hold'em, Google, Facebook, FriendFeed, SportsTap, Bible
- Jon West
AP Mobile News, Urbanspoon, Palringo, Kyte, and Admit One
- Karmadude
i.TV's TV & Movies app, whenever it comes out on the App store :-(
- Jesse Stay
Twitteriffic, Pandora, Evernote, Jott, Shazam, Yelp, BoxOffice, Wikipanion, Sodoku (multiple), and Crash Kart
- Abbas Haider Ali
WordPress, LinkedIn, Pownce, Facebook, Evernote
- John Wang
Shufflepuck, Crash Bandicoot, Mote-M, AirHockey, Cannon Game, Twitterific
- Mike Navarre
If you haven't noticed already.. I'm easily amused by Crazy Mouth. :) Dizzy Bee and Garf are some of my favorite games.. and definitely love Facebook and Twitterlator!
- Daynah
The ones that have stayed on my phone are: Twitterlator, Evernote, OmniFocus, Texas HoldEm, and Warcraft Characters.
- Matthew J Hendrickse
Evernote keeps getting better and better
- Michael Lynton
Evernote, Aurora Feint, iKana, Twitterific, Feeds, SiteCatalyst (Omniture)
- Melinda
AOL Radio for the iPhone
4dluvofmen, Darrell Bell, Winston Chiu and 13 other people liked this
AOL is just awesome.
- loren feldman
I much prefer pandora.
- mjc
I am always surprised to relearn AOL still exists, honestly.
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
This is incredible. When was the last time AOL didn't destroy everything it touched?
- Dan Kaplan
Pandora is great, too. It's the death knell for broadcast radio.
- Leo Laporte
Is it too much to pray that Sirius/XM puts up an iPhone app, even if it's just for subscribers? Would LOVE that.
- Omar Gallaga
@Omar. The pay radio business model is broken, streaming is certainly one of the options to be considered in reinventing their business.
- Dave Martin
I would have never tried this if you didn't mention it. I'm loving it already! Just listened to KCRW's Left Right & Center this morning (which is still better in podcast format though).
- Jeff Schneiter
AOL Radio has kicked ass for a good year now, even as it transitioned away from XM stations and picked up CBS stations. I've been telling friends, and always have to say "Yeah, I know it's AOL. Trust me. This is a good project." I'm glad it's finally getting its due.
- Jason Bentley
Sirius streams now, it would just be a matter of doing something like the Sirius Yahoo Widget for iPhone.
- Omar Gallaga
@Omar. And, by design, making it pay.
- Dave Martin
Phrases I never thought I'd read: "AOL is just awesome"
- xero
I like this app.
- Jim Williams
This is my favourite app by far.
- Paul Grav
Useless, until I can run it in the background
- pb30
Totally agree and already blogged about how awesome AOL Radio is! Question: Does it work via EDGE?
- Jeff McCord
from twhirl
Great app. Up there with Pandora.
- Jonathon
Not sure about AOL, but I just went driving and used Pandora over Edge on my 1st Gen iPhone. Short delay to start, but worked fine thereafter.
- Omar Gallaga
The AOL app works quite nicely on both wi-fi and 2G/Edge. I did note that the CNN Radio feed appears to either not be on the air or was dead for some reason. No programming at 1900 PT. Otherwise, it really rocks. Excellent audio and a very nice selection of the normal AOL stations as well as CBS Radio O&Os. Cool.
- Dave Rutter
Ed Dale just talked about this, minutes ago, on the #30DC broadcast on Ustream
- Chris Johnston
from twhirl
...and, yes, I know that CBS really doesn't own these stations any more.
- Dave Rutter
Omar, I would also love to see a Sirius streaming app for the iPhone
- Mike Doeff
Last.fm / Pandora plus this... gonna seriously dent iTunes sales, I bet.
- l0ckergn0me
@l0ckergn0me But how quickly will streaming Last.fm/Pandora drain your battery compared to locally stored downloaded media?
- Jim McCusker
I'm going to start liking AOL just because its been so "uncool" to like AOL for such a long time.
- Robert
Awesome, found an affiliate on the list that tunes into Coast 2 Coast :) Great having AM radio back.
- Rodfather
Leo, off hand do you know if any of the stations on the AOL app carry your Sat & Sun shows?
- Carroll
AOL? Yeah right.
- Ryan
This is great. I can now get two of my favorite radio stations, 1010 WINS and WFAN on my iPod.
- Rob Safuto
Check Tuner out. Its superb.
- Jamie
I'd love to use this, but sadly it ca't be used outside of the US. :(
- Matthew J Hendrickse
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