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NASA just found water on the moon! goodbye earthly fairies & critters, it's toxic waste for you! we're out of here!
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RT @psychopr: Scientists Decipher The Formation Of Lasting Memories http://www.sciencedaily.com/release... [memory augmentation]
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Satellite map of farms in Amish country - http://maps.google.com/maps...
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Isn't it pretty? I visited Auntie Anne's Pretzels HQ around here in another life. Who can say what drove me to look at the land this morning, lo these 15-20 later.
- Amyloo
David Byrne on Life, the Internet, and Everything: http://journal.davidbyrne.com/2009...
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Graphs of trends give the impression that they'll always continue in the direction of the trend. Until they don't.
- Cliff Gerrish
Make: Online : Giant cobweb made of coffee stirrers - Bizarre and cool. - http://blog.makezine.com/archive...
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Help Me Test SnapMyInfo! - http://mikepk.com/2009...
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SnapMyInfo is my particular solution to a problem I invariably have: I always manage to forget my business cards. Always. I wanted some kind of system where I could rapidly share my contact information with someone else, preferably electronically, and with my cell phone. I looked around at the various existing solutions to electronic contact sharing (boy are there tons) and they all seem to suffer from the same basic problem, both sides of the exchange have to be setup just right. Sender and receiver both have to have the same kind of phone, or have bluetooth with just the right settings, or have the same specialized application running. I wanted a solution that could work for almost anyone.
- mikepk
And kind of appropriate on the anniversary of the barcode. (unintentional)
- mikepk
My 25-yo is eating and riding and tweeting a silly romp through Disney World with his girlfriend. Nice he's still such a kid. @disneyadam
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It's such a beautiful coast. Did you do the whole walk?
- Hilary Talbot
ABC Animals iPhone App - Playgrounder - http://playgrounder.com/stuff...
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"If the built-in iPod, Internet access, photo and video capabilities weren’t enough reasons for you to get an iPhone, here’s one more: the ABC Animals iPhone App ($2). This interactive flash card application combines visually appealing animal illustrations with audio that names each letter and animal. Flip the card over, and kids can practice forming the letters by tracing them on the screen with a finger or stylus. Plus, if you buy this great app in September, all revenue is donated to the Will Lammerding Fund."
- Neil Bernhart
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My daughter loves this app.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
Same here - my daughter loves this!
- Steve just Steve
swissmiss | Notepod - http://www.swiss-miss.com/2009...
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Francine's blog The United Nations: The United Nations meeting yesterday stunned me. I grew up th.. http://blog.stealthmode.com/2009...
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I also like your about page, Francine
- Hilary Talbot
» @mattcutts: I laughed: "Trading Links" http://www.bradcolbow.com/archive... « Exactly. My son got this at 7: http://funnystories.blogspot.com/2002...
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Massive Dust Storm Turns Sydney Orange - http://laughingsquid.com/massive...
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Kandinsky at the Guggenheim Museum - http://web.guggenheim.org/exhibit... (via http://friendfeed.com/art-roo...)
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Thanks for the share, Myrna! :)
- Emma
Francine's blog My Personal Mad Men: Because I was a young adult in the work force in the 60'.. http://blog.stealthmode.com/2009...
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I just love this video. Such commitment: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Fasten your seatbelts - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009...
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Might want to change it to Threadsy, Steve
- Hilary Talbot
Announcing: The ReadWrite Real-Time Web Summit, Research Report and Month of Special Coverage http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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Congrats! It's great to see RWW getting some events going.
- Rick Turoczy
thanks Rick. the event should rock - and there's stuff in this announcement for people who can't make it to the event too.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
RT @chrismessina: "The Web at a New Crossroads" by @jyri, @brynn + me is up on factoryjoe.com. It's a good read http://factoryjoe.com/blog... #diso
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Creation: A film about Charles Darwin [you can't see it] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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My like is for the film, not the censorship. Luckily, I'll be able to see it here in Australia.
- Hilary Talbot
De-volution?
- Igor Goldkind
Twitter search: ephemera for ordinary users so it can be something more for business intelligence? - http://amyloo.com/blog...
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NewsGang Live @ 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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I know I'll be there, NGL at 1pm.
- Cliff Gerrish
See you there, gang!
- Tom Milsom
Today? On Tuesday? Has it moved from Thursday? (per building43.com/realtime)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken - we're doing NewsGang Live in a few minutes. Thursday is still Gillmor Gang
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Ah. Got it. Missed the "News" part :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Echo. Fixed.
- Ken Sheppardson
yay!
- Francine Hardaway
Weird hearing everybody at the same time again.
- Ken Sheppardson
Nice for us all to be back!
- Rob La Gesse
What a little cutie pie.
- Amyloo
Great to hear these voices again.
- Mike Doeff
Watching this live :)
- Robert J Taylor
It feels just like 2008 except that Obama won!
- Michael Pinto
Those of you on video - get your mouse cursor off your faces :)
- Rob La Gesse
where is the video for Francine Hardaway - we need to see the dogs!
- Michael Pinto
Is there a link to Tom's material?
- Mike Doeff
Thanks Ken
- Mike Doeff
brilliant and poignant tune
- Eran Even-Kesef
The Internets Got Talent with Steve Gillmor
- Dave Martin
Two fer Tuesday!!
- Matt Terenzio
Excellent
- Amyloo
claps
- Mike Doeff
I just got home, anything happen? Too many interviews packed into today.
- Robert Scoble
Unless Phil can sing his response I think it's unfair
- Michael Pinto
robert they've just been getting started
- Michael Pinto
Robert - You missed introductions and Tom's song.
- Ken Sheppardson
All depends on your perspective Robert
- Matt Terenzio
phil why are you opposed to a public option?
- Eran Even-Kesef
@MichaelPinto - sounds like Phil's rapping his response :)
- Robert J Taylor
I'll just listen in.
- Robert Scoble
Intros - Steve, Michael Markman, Karoli, Francine Hardaway, Rob La Gesse, Tom Milsom and Phil Windley. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
where is loren feldman?
- HansVanRock
loren was on last week
- Michael Pinto
Loren has been on GillmorGang. That's Thursday. This is NewsGang
- Ken Sheppardson
@Hans - tending to puppets? *shrug*
- Robert J Taylor
well, then a loren puppet would be cool
- HansVanRock
loren is deep into the study of his Shari Lewis videos
- Dave Martin
@Hans - yep :)
- Robert J Taylor
so what you are saying is that we need a public option, if medicare and medicaid needs to come into the debate
- Eran Even-Kesef
it's not so much the republicans - but the lobbyists for the health insurance companies, keep in mind that many blue dog Dems are the problem
- Michael Pinto
yes a few blue dogs and ALL republicans are opposed
- Eran Even-Kesef
Failing the senate 60 they will be pushed into reconciliation
- Dave Martin
Phil? Explain, specifically, why you feel a free market is so essential for our HEALTH? We discuss this like there's some mystery about alternatives. Canada's system is less than perfect, but try finding an unhappy Canadian. You can't. Why is that? Why do THEY make it work, but we can't? Explain that to us. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
- Shoq
Rudy is just adding noise to the debate
- Michael Pinto
jet plane overhead
- Tina Chase Gillmor
as long as you dont need to use your plan in a serious way, you will remain happy with the plan
- Eran Even-Kesef
The seniors are upset. They don't want cuts to Medicare.
- Francine Hardaway
Phil is right in that Harry Reid hasn't done a good job of making thecase
- Michael Pinto
I dont thinks cuts to medicare are seriously on the table, part of the death panel myth
- Eran Even-Kesef
the longer the issue drags on the longer it looks like you don't know what you're doing - so it has hurt, look at the poll numbers
- Michael Pinto
Without seniors there's no profit in the system, that's the dirty little secret. The system is built on the backs of those most in need.
- Dave Martin
half white
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Triggers are the mid-term cycle hedge
- Dave Martin
Peter B Lewis's Progressive Insurance offers thousands of employees great plans for under $100 a month. Now why can HE do that, and not the rest of our employers? I don't know the answer, but I suspect it's because it's an HONEST insurance company working on volume, with constraints that prevent them from gambling with the pool of money. A public option can work the same way, and that's why the Insurance industry simply won't stand for a public option. Fairness is unfair competition to them.
- Shoq
those 10 points are very real if you're running in 2010
- Michael Pinto
Read this: http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...
- Francine Hardaway
Triggers are bullshit. Before a trigger could ever kick in, they'd change the rules. It just plays into the industry's hegemony over the process.
- Shoq
we lost Markman...trying to get him back
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Steve, It's a moral issue
- Dave Martin
5 jets in five minutes
- Tina Chase Gillmor
How can @kr8tr think they'll be happy with anything less than a total takeover of the whole healthcare system? ;-)
- Robert J Taylor
Karoli - you're unmuted again
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Why can't we address the people in need through our existing Social Security system? If you are in need of healthcare, apply for it through social security. We can put into place some income guidelines, etc. pretty easily.
- Stephen M. Otto
Phil. Republicans have been saying that for 60 years
- Shoq
"dealing with the people who most need it" would just mean dumping more money into SS and Medicaid, no? Or are we talking about some new benefits program? If the problem is systemic, you can't just treat a symptom.
- Ken Sheppardson
there's not universal support for that from health insurance companies
- Michael Pinto
Health insurance is NOT Healthcare. http://www.blondetwit.com/2009...
- Shoq
You guys are so last year. Mark Foley just got his own radio show :)
- Shoq
Having not read the entire blondetwit post, I'll just point out that I've always thought "health insurance for pre-existing conditions" is sort of an oxymoron.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: I am confident that the other issues can be addressed by removing gov restrictions from insurance...let insurance be offered across state boundaries, increase competition. If you find yourself without the ability to get coverage due to a pre-existing condition, this could also be addressed by applying for coverage through this suggested extension of social security. Also: tort reform.
- Stephen M. Otto
Getting a show means very little, the ball game is attracting, sustaining a competitive audience; stay tuned ;-)
- Dave Martin
Rob La Gasse, has the most reasonable argument, dealing with those who are currently uninsured should be the first priority
- Eran Even-Kesef
Stephen: I was just addressing Rob's comment that we just deal with the folks who most need it and not try to fix it all at the same time. The fundamental problem, BTW is we have lots of problems that can't be solved in 4 to 8 years. Our system is unable to deal with stuff that requires consistent objectives and approaches over a longer period.
- Ken Sheppardson
tort reform would prove to be a third-rail issue for the dems in the mid-terms
- Dave Martin
Cost controls are simply bullshit. They've talked about cost controls for 40 years. Medicare has NO ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE PRICES. WTF are you talking about?
- Shoq
Eran: we have an infrastructure in place for this. It's called Social Security, complete with Administrative Law Judges, case workers, etc.
- Stephen M. Otto
People want access to the current healthcare our country has today...we've got to be careful that we don't change the quality of care while providing access...
- Robert J Taylor
Dave. more bullshit from the past. Medical malpractice is not even 1% of medical costs. That's anoteher lie to give the right more favors for OTHER business
- Shoq
Eran - and we have borrowed heavily against it.
- Rob La Gesse
Shoq: how can you quantify defensive medicine?
- Stephen M. Otto
So when can I listen to this? Let me guess, video only? I wonder if a bootleg will show up…
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Robert. our quality of care is not good compared to many other countries. We provide quality specialty care and suboptimal primary care and care for chronic disease.
- Francine Hardaway
Shoq - you're looking at it from a med costs pov when it's really important b/c it harms providers by reaching prohibitive levels of staying in business - ask any physician
- Dave Martin
The answer to defensive medicine is not to suddenly remove any remaining safeguards thee are. The vast majority of doctors are never sued. This is another distraction. Defensive medicine is just the latest rhetoric used by the AMA to dazzle the nation with bullshit.
- Shoq
Beautiful song, there is hope in the air!
- Eran Even-Kesef
You mean the physicians who own most of the MRI facilities in DC? When you have conflicts like that, you dont' deserve to be at the table. The entire system is bass akwards. It's not about health care. It's about profit-care
- Shoq
I second the motion
- Eran Even-Kesef
We talk about thisproblem as if the problem has no solution. We are the ONLY major nation without one, and its' simply absurd.
- Shoq
Shoq: You are right we are the only industrialized nation with out one, but we have a history of doing things differently, not always the best way.
- Eran Even-Kesef
thanks to everyone!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Shoq, yeah it's a damn shame we can't come up with a way to totally mess over all the shareholders of those profitable companies, esp those stupid investors that are on fixed incomes depending on distributions.
- Dave Martin
Eran, and that history is coming up pretty short. It's time to find another way. Because as steve points out, we can't afford this.
- Shoq
These shareholders were oblivious for years, allowing their boards to run us into the ground. At this point, it's just one more bubble to burst, as this country escapes the mass delusions of the past 30 years. You cannot run a nation out of balance, where most of the wealth and justice trickles up to the top, and only the shit trickles down. It cannot continue like this, and no 9th...
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- Shoq
I agree and I argue that the only solution is a universal healthcare model, unfortunatly, to many of us are blind, miss-informed and just plain greedy. Therefore a gradual approach that Rob suggested seems to be the only practical alternative.
- Eran Even-Kesef
By the way we have a simlair situation in our education system, where there is a 50% dropout rate in the urban areas, this is can also be directly corelated to the healthcare system, and for that matter an example of our parallel tiered societies. Gosh I am sounding very radical, even though I am not.
- Eran Even-Kesef
what Shoq said.
- Michael Markman
While we are fixing/rebooting/rethinking things, might as well throw down on education and the justice/penal systems
- Dave Martin
Dave-I agree with you, there is much that needs fixing
- Eran Even-Kesef
Getting meta here...this was a good show with good discussion -- good conversation in the chat, too. NOT typical for on-line politically-charged forums!
- Robert J Taylor
Hey everyone, next time I'll figure out how to comment and be on the show at the same time. My little muddled head couldn't multitask today, but I had a great time and really enjoyed the back and forth. I'd like to give Phil Windley huge kudos for having a great counterpoint and reasonable approach. thanks to all who listened, too.
- Karoli
I agree with Karoli. Reasonable, sane Republicans seem to be an endangered species. I'm sorry my contributions were so sparse. Tech problems on my end kept punting me from the call.
- Michael Markman
Tom Milsom (@hexachordal) has posted lyrics to the healthcare song he sang on newsgang live earlier today. http://bit.ly/ptEBO Says if there's demand, he'll post a recording, too.
- Michael Markman
Michael, I would LOVE a recording. That thing would be completely viral. Does he have a FB fan page?
- Karoli
we'll rerun at 1PM Pacific tomorrow.
- Steve Gillmor
Thank you for rerunning.
- Hilary Talbot
Not just for me (but I'll admit my motivation is because I can't see it), you might want to think about varying the time of the re-run, or adding more so they're not all at the same time on weekworkdays. If possible.
- Amyloo
I agree with Amyloo. Also, now that the show has an international panel, ythere's even more reason to provide reruns that play in a variety of time-slots.
- Michael Markman
NewsGang Live now replaying at http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
cool show, thanks!
- Hilary Talbot
re incremental reform, sometimes it just doesn't work. I'm thinking of decimal conversion.
- Hilary Talbot
Hilary, I just wrote a post about how I think the best way to transition to single payer should go...on a state by state basis.
- Karoli
Thanks, Karoli, it's a good post. I can see state-by-state might be the most workable approach in such a ferociously complicated issue. It's easy for outsiders like me to forget how much independence exists in your state federal relationships.
- Hilary Talbot
Sad that I can't see this show. Wish I could.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Anyone have a recording of this?
- Michael Breslin
Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Jack
WordPress Just Made Millions of Blogs Real-Time With RSSCloud http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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This definitely puts the nail in the coffin of the "RSS is dead" contentious debate. Now we can focus on innovations in-and-around RSS. (In response to the Google Reader question, I think that Google will use their HubPubSubHubb in conjunction with Feedburner,- however I suspect they will need to be compatible with rssCloud) Translation for end-users: wait and see.
- William Mougayar
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
@William Hopefully - its a pointless debate - always was.
- Chris Saad
pointless for those who don't care about realtime
- Steve Gillmor
lol saying that to me is kinda silly too Steve :)
- Chris Saad
Instead of debating, why not just let the API mashup devs do their thing and the rssCloud (RSSCloud?) devs do their thing. We (the social media megaphoners) need to just shut our speculating pieholes, wait, and anticipate being blown away (or not). Turning non issues into issues is SO Web 1.0. #justsayin #rsscloud #api
- Mona Nomura
it's not a non-issue, and these technologoies were invented to give people a voice
- Steve Gillmor
Mona, you're so wise! :-)
- Dave Winer
The fact that we are all here in FF (SUP) vs. discussing via instantized blog/comment volley/query rebuttal is telling. This notion of approaching more realtime options is how blogs might get back to being useful for certain groups of folks. Maybe?
- Jay Cuthrell
Real-time is a very important feature Jay - super important. So are a number of other key features of the social web and a number of new emerging features of the next web.
- Chris Saad
(didn't mean to inject or hijack anything there btw... this is all good stuff)
- Jay Cuthrell
Thanks, Dave. Congrats on the big news, btw!
- Mona Nomura
To add - if "real time discussions" are pertinent to your forward thinking, innovations, and products: You're Doing it Wrong. Form opinions, then discuss. If you're wrong, apologize, learn, and move on. #CriticalThinking101
- Mona Nomura
Thanks Mona. :-)
- Dave Winer
In hindsight, Steve's obsession with the subject of real-time might have heightened our attention on the debate, but also perhaps hastened the development of rssCloud. I'm sure that in the back of Dave Winer's mind, he wanted to show that Twitter (and Friendfeed to some extent) wasn't the only real-time game in town (in addition to the fact that this hook was already available in RSS...
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- William Mougayar
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
William, you'd be 100 percent wrong about that. I was doing this stuff before Twitter or FriendFeed existed.
- Dave Winer
I'm not so sure Twitter was ever real time. Only centralized. This made it appear realtime. (Except for the lucky few - i.e. friendfeed)
- Jeremy Felt
reagrdless of the prior art discussion, certainly dave's embrace of realtime is good news
- Steve Gillmor
amen, Steve
- Jesse Stay
@stevegillmor: prior art? What on earth are you trying to say in this context? Since when did prior art have anything to do with real time? Or have I missed something fundamental?
- Dennis Howlett
Let's see what happens with all the million Wordpress.com blogs. But I have a felling this will be big but we won't see the impact for a few months
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
@Dennis http://code.google.com/p...
- Stephen Edgar
Dave, I'm glad I was wrong (as I hinted to the fact that you had that hook there from 2001). I recall well how Radio Userland and Manila used to interchange feeds in real-time. You sure have kept us in suspense, til now, though!
- William Mougayar
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
*Hugs Dave Winer over RSSCloud* :)
- Susan Beebe
I think the president's welcome back to school message ought to start out, "So, did you have a nice summer? I didn't."
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Oh, could that ever be a blog post! "I had a horrible summer. I got kicked in the ass by your parents, who didn't even bother to find out what I was really doing by reading. So the first lesson, read before you form an opinion. The second lesson, don't open an ignorant mouth, especially if you haven't even been called on. Next lesson, kids, some of your parents don't know as much as you...
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- Francine Hardaway
Nice...
- Amyloo
Say Cheese - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009...
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There is absolutely no way Twitter will replace RSS - that's ludicrous to think a closed system will replace an open one.
- Jesse Stay
It is replacing it
- Steve Gillmor
I read your post via RSS, not Twitter - I would have missed it if it came through Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
Not to mention that Twitter can't read blogs
- Jesse Stay
OK, that's one for Twitter. One for RSS. Keep counting.
- Steve Gillmor
at least not without RSS
- Jesse Stay
when I read blogs on Twitter they're links. Doesn't go through RSS.
- Steve Gillmor
Let's see - Twitter has how many users, vs. the entire internet? I'm counting.
- Jesse Stay
I understand what you're saying Jesse. Keep counting
- Steve Gillmor
Last I checked, even Twitter has to rely on RSS to aggregate to external sites.
- Jason Huebel
And those links were discovered how? I bet each one started as RSS somewhere
- Jesse Stay
In addition, there are many technical details in RSS that Twitter simply doesn't replicate. For instance, media enclosures.
- Jason Huebel
enclosures are being supplanted by streaming
- Steve Gillmor
RSS streams, too
- Jesse Stay
Yet, services like Boxee use RSS to pull in content from streaming services. Any 3rd party would be insane to rely on Twitter as a central aggregation point unless they liked seeing FAIL Whales all the time.
- Jason Huebel
Amen Jason
- Jesse Stay
Twitter != aggregation nirvana. Not by a longshot.
- Jason Huebel
see editor's note
- Steve Gillmor
FriendFeed uses RSS as well. It's how I read this article.
- Jesse Stay
twitter is manual while rss is automagic ;)
- Anthony Farrior
I'd say FriendFeed/Twitter has more growth headroom where RSS is somewhat stalled (and currently unfashionable). Polemics are still immature
- oliver marks
same arguments were used against RSS originally.
- Steve Gillmor
Oliver that's ridiculous. As Twitter/FriendFeed grows, so does RSS. RSS is their backbone.
- Jesse Stay
@oliver, RSS is hardly stalled. It's included-- by default-- in all major/notable CMS's, blogs, etc.
- Jason Huebel
@Steve, yes but RSS is an open standard. You aren't required to rely on any one company. With respect, that is the flaw in your argument.
- Jason Huebel
Jason: why is RSS more open than Twitter or FriendFeed?
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, because no one single company controls it
- Jesse Stay
Twitter doesn't control micromessaging
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, if Twitter or FriendFeed dies, RSS lives on. If Dave Winer dies, it lives on.
- Jesse Stay
Sorry Steve, this is just a totally silly debate heh
- Chris Saad
But your argument is that Twitter would be the replacement for RSS.
- Jason Huebel
Steve, what Chris said
- Jesse Stay
I'm now confused at what we're arguing - seems to have shifted.
- Jesse Stay
no my argument is that Twitter (read FriendFeed) IS the replacement for RSS
- Steve Gillmor
Chris and Jesse if you're bored, leave please
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, FriendFeed and Twitter *are powered* by RSS
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: and other things too
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, I didn't say I was bored. I said it was a silly debate, agreeing with Chris.
- Jesse Stay
Steve, so it seems they aren't going to be replacing RSS any time soon if all of this is powered by RSS
- Jesse Stay
I'm bored and I think there is far more important angles and issues on the table that need to discussed and I wish you would add your voice to those instead
- Chris Saad
I've often wondered why people stick around for silly debates.
- Steve Gillmor
@Steve do you mean twitter is the new way to promo content? I would say in that context you have a point
- Anthony Farrior
jesse: all this stuff is powered by all the stuff that came first
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, so RSS isn't going away? I'm confused now.
- Jesse Stay
did I say RSS is going away. no.
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, you just said it was being replaced by Twitter/FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
correct, in my house it certainly is
- Steve Gillmor
Second comment above, "It is replacing it"
- Jesse Stay
RSS is the fuel providing the power
- Anthony Farrior
going away != replaced
- Steve Gillmor
Steve says "Twitter is replacing RSS" All the arguments here are not addressing that issue, they're saying why RSS is better. That's beside the point. Lisp is best programming language in the world, no one uses it.
- Phil Windley
parse my words but please don't replace them and expect me to agree
- Steve Gillmor
thanks Phil
- Steve Gillmor
So to replace means something has to not exist any more. I'm very confused.
- Jesse Stay
metaphors can be confusing. I feel your pain
- Steve Gillmor
Phil, but everyone still uses RSS. Not the same argument.
- Jesse Stay
twitter recommends content. Are you saying you now prefer what other people give you instead of picking rss feeds to read yourself?
- Anthony Farrior
okay setting up my new blog i ll replace the rss-feed with a follow me on twitter banner and then redirect updates for new posts to my twitter stream'? seriously, wtf ;-)
- michael h
RSS value & use models are well understood: Twitter is still a mystery to most. RSS scale is an issue: becomes a pavlovian recursive exercise where Twitter is more freeform
- oliver marks
ANthony: no, I choose the people who recommend articles and they provide a more efficient way of handling the flow
- Steve Gillmor
@michael provide both links
- Anthony Farrior
@Steve Ahhh I think I understand .... The "human" suggestion factor instead of the cold push factor
- Anthony Farrior
anthony yes, but not instead. the replacement is gradual and never one or the other
- Steve Gillmor
@anthony thats an answer, why not BOTH ;-) ? I don t get the big fuss bout the issue. anyone should choose
- michael h
There's still a place for both factors. RSS fits in quite nicely with the social element.
- Jesse Stay
@Steve the people you choose to recommend you content probably use RSS so you are just moving down one link further
- Anthony Farrior
Anthony, exactly - Social is simply a layer on top of RSS. It will grow with social, but like it is currently, not everyone will use it directly.
- Jesse Stay
I don't think anything has changed in that matter.
- Jesse Stay
Lets see the list of the once that stoped using RSS ...anyone here ?
- Johni Fisher
...crickets...
- Anthony Farrior
again, the arguments you use were used against RSS itself
- Steve Gillmor
See my comment here: http://friendfeed.com/windley... - RSS is the C, or even assembly language, of the social web.
- Jesse Stay
Steve :saying that you just have to compare the ways that we consume both servcs
- Johni Fisher
don't understand johni
- Steve Gillmor
I cant see no one here that will drop the RSS for Twitter ,when you say replacing it is not the right word in my opinion as we all keep our RSS feeds incoming or outgoing at our blogs etc ... Twitter is an additional stvc but not more than that ,,
- Johni Fisher
understand that johni. don't agree in the larger context of the trend.
- Steve Gillmor
Other important point is the comercial one , I cant see yet the way that we all can benefit from Twitter or a way that Twitter can get an important income from this replacement ,in compare to Google reader or the others ..money move the world if I am not wrong :-))
- Johni Fisher
yes johni, it is harder to see where the money will come, but it will be clearer very soon.
- Steve Gillmor
oh boy I forgot you are now part of the techcrunch gang, you probably know something we don't...Is greader about replace rss feeds for twitter updates? *nervous lol*
- Anthony Farrior
Google Wave might.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I think that there is no other way for Twitter to make 2010 without Google ,when this will come the change with the integration to Wave will be able to replace the RSS ,in the case that you have this info at your side we can agree
- Johni Fisher
RSS is a way of pushing out content. There is no need to push it out if it is live.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Real-Time > RSS am I right?
- Garin Kilpatrick
Garin, RSS is real-time as well. See rssCloud and Hubbub
- Jesse Stay
Exactly but Steve has resorted to the human touch, the "I recommend and therefore I retweet"...
- Anthony Farrior
publish subscribe hub pubsubhub
- Anthony Farrior
I don't RSS going anywhere. There will always be uses for it. But there are always many different ways of digesting information
- Seth Goldstein
There are some truths in here that go beyond the narrow "social" or "tech" tag. Great read.
- Aron Michalski
So is RSS the http://tinyurl.com/first-m... or candidate for oldest "living" http://www.scotsmagazine.com/ ? I'm hopeful most folks reading and contributing here were party to the orgy of exuberance for Gopher... I mean HTTP. RSS as it exists today will be something that gets leapfrogged as every other moment-in-time solution has so far. Sitting back and clinging to RSS format is just [insert widget] attention span competition. Format wars are mutually assured stagnation. Stagnation is death.
- Jay Cuthrell
So, I was wondering... does RSS afford this kind of debate as part of its structure?
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff - sure, we just post our comments to each other on the doors of the Schlosskirche via RSS
- Jay Cuthrell
RSS is dying a slow death. So long as content is syndicated RSS will remain alive; right now RSS is alive and well. But the life of online technologies are short, since technologies shift, and once online content distribution shifts fully from syndication to synchronization RSS will be dead. The Real-Time web will have killed it.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Can't we all just be friends?
- Francine Hardaway
Francine just gave me a RSS-FOAF flashback :)
- Jay Cuthrell
Twitter is not real-time for putting through blog links unless someone happens to be on the news site, reads the article, and posts a link to Twitter within minutes (unless the author manually posts the link). Pubsubhubbub will still beat that by minutes or seconds. Many like me feed through to Twitter using Twitterfeed which uses typical RSS technology.
- beersage
Twitter claims to be real-time but it is not there yet. Neither is ff, but they are closer. I am excited to see the mark the Google wave makes on this scene.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Francine, I think Scoble tried to be friends with everybody but it didn't work out.
- Cliff Gerrish
Does this argument matter? Is it more than a way to pass the time?
- Michael Markman
Yes
- Steve Gillmor
Is there a compelling reason to further evangelize your point? We get it it. Fantastic, for you, it's dead. Makes perfect sense. But at this point you're not just beating a dead horse, you're beating the top soil covering the hole in which you buried the horse. How about we move on to more constructive things.
- Benjamin Taylor
Benjamin: I wrote this in May. Others continue to discuss it. I will respond when my ethics or credibility is attacked. Various folks have asked me to elaborate and I have. If you're tired of it, unfollow me. And expressing what I see as valuable is never unconstructive from my perspective. Leaving insinuation and misinformation unchallenged is unconstructive imo.
- Steve Gillmor
we successfully relaunched Gillmor Gang today. We'll release the YouTube version as soon as we can. thanks to all. it's good to be back.
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It's great to have the Gillmor Gang back. Congrats.
- Warner Crocker
Yes! Fantastic news!
- Phillip Molly Malone
this must the 10th relaunch of GG. Congrats again!
- AlexBarnett
Where's the RSS feed? Great to have you guys back, BTW.
- Scott Greiff
Looking forward to listening! Congrats!
- Steve Mermelstein
great news - well done & thanks - can't wait for the next episode
- pablo
Glad ur back!
- courtney benson
Hell yeah! We want mp3 files and t-shirts to show our loyalty in public...
- Michael Pinto
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