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Docs Are Old-School, We Need PageRank for People - http://threeminds.organic.com/2009...
nathan, Daniel Rowley, Chris Heath and 83 other people liked this
"PageRank assigns a reputation score to the URL where content is published. This makes it a great fit for content that stays put in one location. However, evolving content distribution via blogs, RSS, guest columns, and syndication are a challenge for PageRank. Tweets, retweets, micropublishing, ratings, and comments - even bigger problems. The solution lies in associating reputation with the identity of the author - a PageRank for People."
- Leo Laporte
from Bookmarklet
Reminds me of "wuffie" where personal reputation replaces monetary wealth in Cory Doctorow's DOWN AND OUT IN THE MAGIC KINGDOM.
- Liam Watts
I love that comic. Makes me chukle every time.
- Roberto Bonini
Doctors are catching on to this and have slipped a "patient will not post online comments about doctor" clause into their standard forms. You don't even know you've agreed to it unless you read the whole thing, and who does that?
- jjjobst
Desirable, but immensely difficult: how do you define a "person" for rank purposes? We are talking here about a huge collection of disparate things. And, what if, contrary to the online reputation, the real reputation sucks?
- Nikos Anagnostou
Agree that we need a soltion for this but a Nikos touches upon is need to agree definitions of scope. Others male valid point also some further discussion and thinking required.
- Najeeb Mirza
PersonRank tied to (possibly) OpenId anyone? ...Everytime I click „Like“ FF brain is assigning whuffie to the author of a message.
- Mindaugas Dagys
Great analogy Liam. Loved that book.
- dthree
Doesn't Googles Sentiment Analysis a step in the right direction? It infers sentiment to rank http://www.seobythesea.com/... and “service,” “value,” and “general comments.” Aspects are defined in one of Google’s papers on sentiment analysis as “properties of an object that can be rated by a user.” Unfortunately, Google is attempting to Patent this process.
- Greg
Yup. This made me think of "Down and out in the Magic Kingdom" too. If you haven't read it, it's worth it.
- Chad McCoskey
I would say not desirable - relevance is highly relative when it comes to people, and frankly anything that ranks people by the noise they make online and how many people they can get to claim they are great... will produce the wrong kind of behaviour
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I agree with Joelle, mostly. The exceptions would be for trolls and spammers -- it's too much work to be on a constant lookout for trolling, and I'd really like to have an automatic metric which would enable me to automatically filter out such rubbish.
- Nathaniel Thurston
leo: yes indeed, and such a content filter would work well by taking into account the distance through the social graph between the author and each reader, rather than using a fixed measure of the author's reputation for all readers.
- Bob Hitching
from fftogo
Nathaniel - I might agree for spammers, but "trolls" are a difficult thing. Many game changing people were labelled troublemakers first, today we'd call them trolls...
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Hi Guys - I'm the author of the original article. One thing to keep in mind is that this system could be made topic sensitive. We'd be looking at total contribution/reputation for each person for a specific social graph relating to a specific topic. Is some ways this would be like mapping the Hilltop/HITS algorithms used in algorithmic text search to the social space. The similarity is...
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- Marshall Clark
The problem with any such measure is that some people will take it far too seriously - make it into something authoritative instead of something helpful - and some people will game it. I dont want to have to think about my "score" in any field and have to "work" in the way the score measure in order to be taken seriously
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Interesting post, I was just thinking today when reading about Listiti.com about how Twitter Lists plus this new form of "Track"/search on them can at least partially solve that problem: Just pick a reputable List, one that is large enough to create a thorough but vetted "universe of discourse" (e.g. Scoble's Tech-News-Brands with 500 entries). Then you're searching over that set, and not over the entire freaking Internet. This pretty much bypasses all of Google's PR machinations and their gaming by SEOs.
- Alex Schleber
On SocialToo we're assigning a rank to people based on various points assigned by other people they come in contact (via follow, dms, etc). It has the potential to become this.
- Jesse Stay
Yep eBay comes to mind A+++++ Quick operator will deal with again!!!!!!!!!111one
- Phill Price
from iPhone
But isnt the problem then that all you see and hear is from the "big guys" who are already established, as defined by "in" players who by nature will want to be in the "big guys" good books? We're right back in the landscape of television, where the barrier of entry for new players is high, opinion and value is centrally defined... and we get lower quality and service as none of them tries very hard...
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Re: The Droid fails AS A PRODUCT when compared to Palm Pre and iPhone - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
"finally a review that doesn't sit on the fence, thank you. what's your experience and thoughts on Droid vs. iPhone battery life. that beautiful screen and those background apps on Droid must be draining, and as they say, "there's no Moore's Law of battery life..." also it's interesting that the US Droid includes Google Maps Navigation but not pinch-zoom multi-touch, and the Euro-equivalent Milestone includes the opposite; pinch-zoom but not Navigation. Navigation might be explained by map licensing issues, but pinch-zoom... any insight into that?"
- Bob Hitching
Re: What’s the difference between user generated content and user generated rubbish? Comments please… - http://hitching.net/2009...
"Google's new Social Search Experiment http://bit.ly/4DgQX8 shows that Google is working hard on this problem. According to Eric Schmidt, figuring out how to rank real-time social content is "the great challenge of the age" - see http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...... Perhaps PeopleRank will emerge as the successor to PageRank, and a solution to ranking real-time social content / filtering out the user generated rubbish."
- Bob Hitching
I'm returning to Sydney today. - http://www.dopplr.com/travell...
See more in my Dopplr profile.
- Bob Hitching
I'm starting a trip to Paris today. - http://www.dopplr.com/travell...
I'll be there from October 8th until October 11th. See more in my Dopplr profile.
- Bob Hitching
Re: Facebook: Holidays Make People Happy, Death Makes Them Sad - http://mashable.com/2009...
"Twitter also provides an interesting measure of Happiness because you can search for happy :) smileys or unhappy :( smileys in tweets. And GeoMeme adds geolocation so you can measure and compare the magnitude of happy vs. unhappy tweets in any location, for example :) is winning against :( in New York (see http://www.geome.me/u86hp) however :( is sadly winning in LA – see http://www.geome.me/zmvP1"
- Bob Hitching
I'm starting a trip to Manchester today. - http://www.dopplr.com/travell...
I'll be there from October 4th until October 7th. See more in my Dopplr profile.
- Bob Hitching
Hi Bob! First of all: great job! It's a wonderful plugin, very well coded and commented. I'd like to expand some features for a commercial project, and I'd like to code my addiction in a way that's usable for others. What do you think is the best way to do this? May I join you on the main code, or it's best if I write an extension plugin on my own?
Hey, Thanks and yes that's a great idea. How about we move over to Google Code which gives some good visibility of what's being worked on? Let me know your account details and I can add you to http://code.google.com/p...
- Bob Hitching
I'm currently on a business trip and away from my dev pc so maybe you can have a crack at svnsync to get the repo from Wordpress over to Google Code.
- Bob Hitching
(You'll also need to check that your commercial project is okay within GNU v2.)
- Bob Hitching
Hi Bob! That's great! This is me on google code: http://code.google.com/u... ( valentino.aluigi@gmail.com ) The first thing I'd like to add is some custom filters, so that other developers can easily plug into the code without changing it. Of course, I don't want to distort the nature of the plugin, so if I need some changes that are not part of the main core I'll add...
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- Valentino
from email
I'm starting a trip to London today. - http://www.dopplr.com/travell...
I'll be there from October 1st until October 3rd. See more in my Dopplr profile.
- Bob Hitching
Nerd Venn Diagram
Ashish Tiwari, Christopher Harley, Jeff (the マクダジ of FF) and 30 other people liked this
I think I'm just a dweeb, LOL. I don't really have any unhealthy obsessions. :)
- rowlikeagirl
I don't think the diagram makes a distinction between unhealthy and healthy obsessions, so...
- Jim Is Not Smart
I think that makes me a geek?
- LANjackal
Only a Nerd could have analysed this concept, drawn that diagram, and posted it here. Go Nerds!
- Bob Hitching
Is there any way to *exclude* all tweets with a particular hashtag or hashtags (rather than *including* only those with certain hashtags)?
Brendan; good question! If you select 'Twitter Search' as the feed type you can use any variety or combination of Twitter Advanced Search from http://search.twitter.com/advance...
- Bob Hitching
So you could try http://search.twitter.com/search...
- Bob Hitching
You can also construct Advanced Search queries in this way to import retweets, tweets of a particular language, or tweets near a particular location, etc. - all the Twitter Advanced Search goodness.
- Bob Hitching
Is that a feature in the new version? I'm still using 1.1.6, and am loath to upgrade because I've made a bunch of changes to the code in order to tweak the plugin for my particular purposes. But the Twitter Search feature sounds great, so maybe I'll have to upgrade and try to re-create my tweaks. :) Thanks!
- Brendan Loy
Question: if I use the Twitter Search feed type, can I still exclude tweets that START with @someone, but NOT exclude tweets that INCLUDE @someone later in the tweet (just not at the beginning)? I don't see a Twitter Advanced Search option for that, so I think I would still be relying on Fresh From's "Exclude @replies from Twitter" feature, and I'm wondering if that will still work if I'm using the Twitter Search feed type.
- Brendan Loy
Argh, I realized I can do it in 1.1.6, and it almost works, except... tweets from my Twitter search stream post in the correct time zone, whereas the FriendFeed items continue to post in GMT, as they always have. This is a problem because I've switched my whole blog to GMT in order to avoid the FF posts being out of order. But if I use the Twitter Search stream, now the *Twitter* posts are out of order!! Argh.
- Brendan Loy
v1.1.8 of Fresh From has been released, fixing some critical problems that became evident when Wordpress is upgraded to the latest version 2.8.x
1. Fixed up the Admin page to show all of the Help options (which were hidden by the WP2.8 upgrade) – please use those Help options if you have any further problems on WP2.8
- Bob Hitching
2. Images are now appearing correctly in WP2.8 - thanks to Tobias for finding and fixing the slashes problem
- Bob Hitching
3. Also includes the new Admin option ‘Overwrite post title prefix’
- Bob Hitching
4. Tested on WP2.7.x and WP2.8.x including WP2.7/2.8 upgrade
- Bob Hitching
Hi everyone, Sorry for the delay in responding to these latest issues. I’ve been busy on the day job mostly. However it’s now Saturday night, my wife is out with her friends, the kids are all asleep, I have beef vindaloo and a glass of cab sav, so let’s see what can be accomplished.
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The first priority is to make sure things are working on WP 2.8.x, as from the comments below it looks like there are some problems. Then there's a pending test version to release.
- Bob Hitching
Re: Does Twitter Need to Contact Developers on All API Changes? - http://mashable.com/2009...
"I was bitten by another surprise Twitter API change once. There used to be a Twitter API method (users/show.xml?email=foo@bar.com) to convert an email address into a twitter username. It was useful for a Wordpress plugin that I wrote, to import Twitter content into Wordpress, because it allowed zero-config install. But Twitter one day removed the API method without warning. Zero-config was no longer possible, but the plugin still worked because I never made the assumption that the API call was going to respond in the way documented. I learnt that lesson after being burnt by the Facebook API too many times. So yes Twitter (and Facebook) could do better with their developer comms, but on balance I believe Alex and the Twitter API team are doing a *fantastic* job with the API given their scaling challenges. While the API continues to be free and power the real-time web, I cannot complain. When Twitter starts charging for its API might be a better time for developers to start demanding..."
- Bob Hitching
Hi - I tried installing the plugin and now see "Please update your Fresh From settings - start by adding a Feed" at the top of every page. I clicked the link and also tried the same link under the settings only to find a blank page. Any ideas on how to fix it?
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Still looking for an answer to this question, or has anyone else experienced the same problem?
- Chris Chandler
Have same problem, how to solve
- Robert Nelson
Chris & Robert: sorry for the delay, just got back from o/seas trip and still catching up with everything. The debug code is all on that page which you cannot see which makes this tricky. Could you send the link URL and any View Source code on that blank page via http://hitching.net/contact/ so I can investigate?
- Bob Hitching
Hi Bob - I've sent you the info you requests. Please let me know if there's anything else I can help with.
- Chris Chandler
Chris: I'm not having much luck replicating your problem yet - see email for some more things we can try.
- Bob Hitching
I'm having the same problem. Using Simple Balance 2.2.1.
- Rock Langston
my Wave Sandbox invite was in my junk email folder! that's one problem with email, one opportunity for Wave http://hitching.net/2009... #wavedaysyd
Mike Chelen liked this
this is an advantage of trust-based social networks. how does google wave address this issue - through open social?
- Mike Chelen
OpenSocial could be one part of the solution, or any other extension that makes Wave aware of your social graph, such as a Facebook Connect integration. potential spammers can then be identified by your Wave Server as not being present in your social graph, and given a captcha challenge to prove they are not spam.
- Bob Hitching
"Combine my items into a single digest post" questions...
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How does this work? When does it run? Nightly? Daily?
- EricaJoy
Can we force it to run? I'd like to see what the digest post will look like.
- EricaJoy
Digest feeds are updated with your latest and greatest content every 5 minutes while you have visitors reading your blog. You can force a digest to refresh immediately by pressing the ‘Refresh’ link on the Admin page. This option is only available on the Admin page so we do not constantly hammer the FriendFeed and Twitter APIs.
- Bob Hitching
So... as a new days starts, you might only get one or two items appear in that day’s digest. Towards the end of the day, Fresh From has more content to choose from, and more data available to work out which content is best for the digest.
- Bob Hitching
Ah not what I was expecting. I guess my wait for the friendfeed equivalent of twitter feed carries on. :) Still an interesting plugin though, you've done a lot of great work.
- EricaJoy
Thanks Erica. Can you describe how you'd like a Digest to work?
- Bob Hitching
At a time I specify (say nightly at 10pm) I would like a digest post to be compiled from the FF sources I choose and posted to my blog. A post that gets added on to throughout the day would freak out RSS readers.
- EricaJoy
Erica: let me think about how that can be done in a future version. The reason it works like it does is so that digest posts can be generated even for sites with low or sporadic traffic. p.s. you can exclude Fresh From posts from your feeds to avoid RSS freak out - there's an option on the Admin page.
- Bob Hitching
The thing is I want the digest post to appear in my RSS feed once a day. This will give my readers a sense of what I'm babbling about online when I'm not blogging without filling up their RSS reader with one off posts.
- EricaJoy
I'd like that exactly like EricaJoy explained it. An option for that daily summary post would be really great. I'd also love an option for weekly summary posts.
- Marcel Weiß
I too would really like to see what EricaJoy is talking about.
- Andrew Ledwith
yes i would like to see a daily diget where it posts say 10 items a day at once instead of slowly adding content over the day. maybe make it an option for those who like the current setup.
- (jeff)isageek
Some stats from Twitter conference compared to Google:
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Twitter is seeing about 200 tweets per second, during peak loads.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is seeing about 10gigs of new data created every day.
- Robert Scoble
Google is seeing 4 billion queries per day. How many is that per second? 46,296
- Robert Scoble
Whew, that's a lot of queries.
- Robert Scoble
I think the 4B is just API calls. That's not counting, you know, actual search queries. :)
- Matt Cutts
200 tweets per second is a lot less than I thought.
- Adam Jackson
Matt: that's wild.
- Robert Scoble
if twitter grows to the size of facebook i.e 200 million so 10 times... thats still only 2k per second...
- Robert O'Callaghan
Adam: that's according to people who are getting the firehose feed.
- Robert Scoble
I assumed it would be more than that, too.
- Robert Scoble
Ah ok. Which, to my knowlede is just google, friendfeed and just a few other "partners" do we know who is a firehose partner?
- Adam Jackson
But, looking through the data it seems most people don't tweet very often.
- Robert Scoble
And that is because Twitter is just getting to be popular in the rest of the world, wait to see what is coming..
- Julian Flores
sort of weird comparison, tweets are writes and queries are reads
- Kiran Patchigolla
Adam: we don't have a comprehensive list, no. There are others, though.
- Robert Scoble
And are firehose partners getting ALL tweets?
- Julian
Robert: have you spoken to Nick from tweetmeme - he has some real good stats regarding rt's, data growth over the last 2 years etc
- Robert O'Callaghan
Kiran: yeah, it's not a good comparision, to be sure. But if there's only 200 tweets a second I seriously doubt that Twitter search is seeing many people hit it.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: nope, I need to, though.
- Robert Scoble
Julian: according to the people getting the firehose feed, they are supposed to be getting every Tweet.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: not my blog but some stats from Nick at @devnest http://dalelane.co.uk/blog...
- Robert O'Callaghan
The people who are getting the firehose feed also say that it's very difficult to deal with the data flow at the level it is today (and they say that even Twitter isn't doing very well at it, look at how bad Twitter search was last week). THey all are wondering how they will deal when Twitter's traffic is 100x what it is today.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: this is what I love about friendfeed. The post gets better over time because of everyone's participation. Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
10 Gigs of data per day is not much.
- Louis Gray
Robert: yes I love FF too :-) Found the slides from Nick http://www.slideshare.net/nickhal...
- Robert O'Callaghan
Yes that's what I don't understand Robert, 200 tweets/s x 160 chars (including headers) = 32kB a second. This is not difficult to deal with, surely (+XML / JSON overhead, still tiny amounts)
- Julian
Louis: it's not much, but it's all text. The real struggle that many of these companies have is with photos and video and other data types. It's very expensive to deal with all this data. I wonder if we could decrease the cost of hosting and dealing with it all by sharing the data in some way?
- Robert Scoble
Julian: it's not the per second amount that's difficult to deal with. It's that the size of databases keeps growing. Remember the guy who bragged about having 800 million rows in his database?
- Robert Scoble
Now, what happens if you need to resort your database? Or do something else funky?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you're asking the right questions. The biggest growth areas in data today are in files and rich media - including photos, videos, etc. We're all creating more and more, but nobody is deleting.
- Louis Gray
It is expensive to store the data and to transfer the data. Networks have gotten larger, disks have gotten larger (and cheaper per GB), but the disk speeds themselves are not increasing, and servers are largely processor-bound, so you see low utilization rates.
- Louis Gray
Louis: yup, and the folks I talked with say that if you want really fast response like what friendfeed has you've gotta pay for expensive SSD devices for your datacenter. I don't know if that's absolutely true, but it sounds reasonable, especially for systems with lots of databases and lots of indexing and lots of reading.
- Robert Scoble
there's a new o/r mapper available to Java programmers that lets them write programs in a typical relational-backend fashion, but behind-the-scenes large files are transparently stored in Amazon S3 cloud storage and the database rows are stored in Amazon SimpleDB.
- Brian Hendrickson
How about adding friendfeed stats here too.. (if somebody knows already!)
- Jigar Mehta
Louis: but I wonder if that data will have worth in the future - mining photos for example for data about your friends, family and holiday destinations.
- Robert O'Callaghan
Robert O: A significant amount of data is infrequently accessed. And as Scoble is saying, you are looking to have SSDs at what's called Tier 0. The best enterprise storage devices have multiple tiers of disk and automatic policy-based data migration between tiers from high performance disk, like SSD and Fibre Channel, to high density SATA.
- Louis Gray
But if you assume data will be there, most people won't mind having some latency on data retrieval for older information, so slower SATA (like in your laptop) is just fine.
- Louis Gray
Maybe it's just me, but speaking with people around the queries issue made me realize these are still big numbers for most average sized companies. You might think that giants like Google, Microsoft or Facebook can easily take care this amount of requests but many other small startups would probably find it difficult to handle.
- Nir Ben Yona
Good point Robert, 200 tweets / s = 6.3 billion rows for one year of tweets. But still surprised this is an issue these days. Anecdotally, even MySQL can support billions of rows.
- Julian
That's an interesting Google datapoint, it explains the aircraft hangers full of servers. The scaling challenge for Twitter however is less related to 200 tweets being posted per second, more about all those Twitter clients hammering their API trying to get them out in real time. Firehoses aside, does anyone know how many API hits Twitter gets per second?
- Bob Hitching
Every incorrect assumption in this post seems to think that 1 tweet on twitter = 1 database row = "So easy!". You've left out the user fanout! One Obama Tweet = 1M database rows, someplace.
- netik
Twitter bought a load of kit a month or so back - at @devnest we were told it was to do with search. People had noticed it had shrunk in size from year dot to only two weeks worth. Anyone know if it expanded back to the beginning or have they closed that door?
- Robert O'Callaghan
Robert O: The data set of Twitter's Search can be as little as 4 days. Do a search on tweets "from Oprah" for example, and you will see none.
- Louis Gray
Performance I doubt is an issue at this level. Remember the hadoop statistics? http://developer.yahoo.net/blogs... processing videos, photos etc is definitely a different ballgame
- Kiran Patchigolla
For comparison, NASDAQ can handle over 35,000 messages per second and processes over a billion messages a day. I suspect they use something like the TIBCO P-7500 to do so. http://www.nasdaq.com/service... http://bit.ly/2TxxI
- Steve Wilhelm
Thank you for all of this Robert, you are such an eternal giver.
- Thomas Power
At a basic level we're talking about storage and distribution. Data is stored somewhere until someone requests it and it's then distributed. In this scenario there are at least two potential bottlenecks or problem areas. There is currently no infinite storage space and there is currently no infinite amount of bandwidth to distribute it. Plus it's a two way distribution network, we're...
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- Gilbert Harding
The best comparison would be Google's web crawler new page discovery rate to Twitter's new status rate. The read rate on Twitter is many orders of magnitude above the write rate-- the comparison of Google QPS to Twitter API calls. Furthermore, the total Twitter user-driven write rate is much larger than the new public statuses rate, which is what the firehose represents. Think of all...
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- John Kalucki
No one in their right mind would use a relational database to store all this data - the biggest issue is that you have SO MANY synchronous writes as well as index and key changes per second. A stream-fed architecture is ideal for this, and 200 inputs a second is easily parseable. TIBCO is an exampleof a very heavyweight version of a streaming service, as Steve Wilhelm mentioned above.
- David Sifry
This uncovers the secret to what may be twitter's eventual financial success and ability to resist being acquired. I'm reminded of the recent techcrunch article proposing that youtube would have been unable to survive as a standalone entity because of the enormous cost of storing all of the video data
- keith kleiner
Louis: They've 'fixed' the from:oprah query, now - two tweets show up, both from the last 24 hours. http://search.twitter.com/search... This of course supports your point.
- Shéa Bennett
Late to the comments but I agree with Louis, 10G per day is trival. The last network collection stream service I helped design was 24 Petabytes per work of text messages comparable to tweets across multiple protocols and transport technologies.
- Ken Camp
I never would have thought that Twitter's high volume times would only create 200 tweets per second.
- Diego Barros
So what you're saying is that Rails really can't scale? ;)
- Diego Barros
Is there any way to customize the title is uses for the posts?
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I take that as a no....
- Chilli
Chilli: Not yet but never say never... can you be a bit more precise about which titles you'd like to change, and to what? Are you talking about digest posts or single posts?
- Bob Hitching
I would just like to be able to change the title the plugin uses when making a blog post. I just want to be able to have the posts titled something like "Chiili's tweets for today" instead of "Fresh From Twitter". I dug around in the code some, but I'm really a noob when it comes to code. I would really appreciate an option to change this, or simply point me to the place in the code where I can customize this. Keep up the good work. It's always great when you can get direct feedback from a developer.
- Chilli
I agree with Chilli! I'd like to be able to customize the title feed...
- Todd Lohenry
Would be even better if you can at the date/ time in there. And also i like to change the category to whatever I like, is this possible?
- sjdksjdk
Add me to the list of people that want to change the default title of "Fresh From Twitter ..." to something else. I'd also love to be able to change the tags. Finally, I'd like the permalink to be within my blog's domain rather than the original tweet. Thanks for the great plugin.
- Alvin
Geek And Poke: How Times Have Changed - http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekand...
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Hah!
- Robert Scoble
"at least three out of every five people who sign up for a Twitter account bail within a few weeks" (see Nicholas Carr:http://www.roughtype.com/archive...). How times have changed!
- Andrew Trinh
That account is real: http://twitter.com/tombo
- Louis Gray
What does a web service need to do to get people to use it more fully? Anybody have an example of a site that counters the phenomenon shown in this cartoon?
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: I can think of a bunch of things. But I'm not going to give Twitter free consulting. They already stabbed me in the back once and don't need to do it again. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm looking for free consulting for me, not twitter.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce, OK: provide a game to get people into using it. Even Google got me into blogging. Why? The more I blogged the more power Google gave me. 2. Make it seem lame if you don't do things. 3. Start with a great community that will show people what is great participation. 4. Don't take shortcuts to try to grow quicker (Twitter did). 5. Reward participation. How did Twitter stab me in the...
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- Robert Scoble
6. Make it easy to participate. It's easier to comment here than it is to comment on my own blog. Think about why that is.
- Robert Scoble
That really helps. I'm probably not going to give you any less abuse than before, but you're awesome.
- Bruce Lewis
well done
- Ryan Gerritsen
i'd agree with those suggestions to improve twitter. however, hasn't the Neilsen Online analysis of "60% twitticide" been debunked because Neilsen only counts web visitors, not all the other ways to use twitter (SMS, IM, desktop clients, oAuth apps, etc)? i'd really like to see some customer churn and loyalty numbers from twitter to settle this. actually it would be possible to use the twitter api to construct some aggregate intel...
- Bob Hitching
Bob: Neilsen went back and looked at the numbers again and found they were correct. I totally believe the numbers they reported.
- Robert Scoble
fair enough... Neilsen must have used the Twitter API to check their numbers, i think that would be the only way anybody outside of Twitter could measure their SMS and IM usage. good on Neilsen if they did that.
- Bob Hitching
The numbers that they gave seem to coincide with my limited experience of my followers behavior.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
hi, how can i choose the page on which the post with feeds will appera? I've installed it and post has automatically been generated but it's not visible on the hp.... I have to link it from anothe post in hp.... any suggetion?
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Federico: the posts are just regular normal Wordpress posts so should appear on your Wordpress homepage as if you wrote them manually / normally (unless of course you've set your homepage to be some other page) . What's the URL of your blog so we can take a look?
- Bob Hitching
the site is www.baboom.it. now the plugin is off. but I'd like to reactivate it publishing th serch results in a page (not in HP) is it possible?
- Fede
Re: 60% of Twitter Users Quit Within the First Month - http://mashable.com/2009...
"I'd agree; user loyalty and churn intel from Twitter themselves would be very interesting. In the meantime you can get a rough feel from search.twitter.com about what proportion of tweets are posted using the web vs. other means (e.g. via SMS, IM, desktop apps, etc.) - just count the mix of 'less than 10 seconds ago using web' results vs. '... using txt' etc. Based on a mere 60 seconds of analysis, it looks like about 50% of tweets appear 'from web'. I know that's rough and probably skewed but is my conclusion any more/less accurate than Neilsen's?! [btw you can add 'source:web' to a query on search.twitter.com to see only tweets posted from the web if you want to investigate if those are any different from non-web users]"
- Bob Hitching
on the about page http://nonprofitla.org/blog... it has "This blog is kept fresh by the Fresh From FriendFeed and Twitter plugin" i do not see a setting to turn it off. please advise
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Ho Ho Ho Mark ;) Great to see the #hashtag filter working to good effect on your blog. Those words are added to the About page as a not-too-invasive way to plug the plugin. I don't think many people mind so I haven't yet put in an option to disable it. I will (as with other features) if lots of people ask here. In the meantime if you want to hide it you can comment out line #1144 in the code.
- Bob Hitching
An option to turn this off would be great please
- Ian McKendrick
Having a problem.I have 10 Twitter updates fed to my blog. Author name is showing up for all 10 updates. ==> Author: Sharon McPherson, Sharon McPherson, Sharon McPherson, Sharon McPherson, Sharon McPherson, Sharon McPherson, Sharon McPherson, Sharon McPherson, Sharon McPherson, Sharon McPherson
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That's an interesting one. Can you send a Debug Report from the Admin page so I can investigate?
- Bob Hitching
I'm starting a trip to London today. - http://www.dopplr.com/travell...
I'll be there from April 1st until April 5th. See more in my Dopplr profile.
- Bob Hitching
Sorry, How do I do that. I'm using WordPress 2.7.1.
How do you do what, Ben? Was this a comment supposed to be attached to a post? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I thought http://hitching.net/fresh-f... was placing his FreshFrom's on a seperate page. Would that be possible?
- Ben Licher
So this comment was supposed to be with this post?: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes, I hit Enter to early.
- Ben Licher
Ben: all the Fresh From posts have 'fresh' as a tag so does something like http://hitching.net/tag/fresh/ work for you?
- Bob Hitching
Thanks Bob, I'll try to wok it out.
- Ben Licher
Need some help in regards to "Combine my items into a single digest post per" Service/User/AllTogether. I've tested "per user" and "per service". I don't understand what "per service" means or "AllTogether".
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John: "per service" will group imported items into a single post for Twitter, a single post for FriendFeed, a single post for Flickr, etc. - one for each "service" as per the FriendFeed definition. This is how http://hitching.net is currently setup with Fresh From.
- Bob Hitching
"all together" will group all items from Twitter, FriendFeed, Flickr, etc. into one single digest post. This can end up being a massive post but some people prefer it this way.
- Bob Hitching
Comments on Fresh From FriendFeed and Twitter v. 1.1.6
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Still no configurable title or tags. Is this something that's not going to happen ever or is it just tricky to do?
- EricaJoy
Erica, it's on the list (this Room == the list) but I guess the idea still needs to be fleshed out. Happy to hear future feature ideas from you and everyone. (Tags are better than categories because content can arrive via FF from an unknown number of sources)
- Bob Hitching
I'm using tags for other reasons on FriendFeed so tags are good for me too. But my previous points still stand. For me I'd like importing from FF to blog (i.e. what Fresh From does) over exporting to FF from blog (basically what FF Comments plugin does).
- Kol Tregaskes
I'd definitely like to have the ability to remove the new "powered by fresh from" link beneath each post (is that new?)...
- Matt
Matt: the 'powered by' link should only be appearing once per page, not on every post, so I don't think it is really that obtrusive. Having said that, if enough people want an Admin option to switch it off, that's fair enough and it can go on The List. Let's see what the Room thinks...
- Bob Hitching
I'd like to be able to remove the 'fresh from friendfeed;' from the title. I use twitterfeed to push my rss feed from the blog to twitter. Those extra words take up a lot of real estate in a tweet. Great work, Bob...
- Todd Lohenry
First off I wanted to say how great the plugin is, I tried a few before settling on this one. One question I had was about the RSS feed. On my mai website I pull the RSS from wordpress where I have Fresh combine into a single service (set on keep it coming). When the site pulls the RSS feed, the headline doesn't link to the post of my blog that Fresh created but the twitter account of whoever posted last. So sometimes it will be my twitter profile or a friends. Can this be changed/fixed?
- Brian Chalfin
Zuckerberg is finally listening to his customers, and you will be too soon.
Hint: Facebook’s customers are now the advertisers who pay for access to its audience. The homepage redesign is merely one step towards that.
- Bob Hitching
This may not be a bad thing. If Facebook is as successful in attracting advertising customers as it has been in building its audience, Facebook ads have the potential to be more targeted than Google AdWords.
- Bob Hitching
New version 1.1.6: better, faster, cheaper, Italian, Portuguese - http://wordpress.org/extend...
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Better display of twitpics, youtube videos, and *NEW* bit.ly URL thumbnails - see the screenshot for examples
- Bob Hitching
Faster refresh of content
- Bob Hitching
Cheaper. Kidding… I just wanted to write "better, faster, cheaper"... still free from Wordpress.org
- Bob Hitching
Very excited about the new Italian translation. Grazie Gianni Diurno of gidibao.net
- Bob Hitching
And the new Portuguese translation. Thanks Rita, eu te amo!
- Bob Hitching
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