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Bret Taylor
Happy Holidays!
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Dead programs don't let you make comments - Ozgur Demir
dead programs don't let you like things - Roberto Bonini
Dead programs don't..... work. - tehKenny
Yay! The graphic has officially been flipped! No need for nostalgia. - Louis Gray
Kenndy actually makes a good point here... :) - Roberto Bonini
Merry Eggnog! ... and jeez, what's with the rude comments? It's the holidays. #relax - Mona Nomura
I think everyone knew exactly what you meant jeremy :) - Roberto Bonini
Jeremy, perhaps there's a misunderstanding. As a rule, FriendFeeders celebrate Festivus - maybe someone mistook this thread for the Airing of the Grievences ceremony. In any event, I got a lot of problems with you people! And now you're gonna hear about it! - John Craft
*gets popcorn* - Roberto Bonini
A little goes a long way around these here parts. *picks teeth with straw* - Josh Haley
^^^ :) - Micah
:) - Shandiz
Happy :)))))))))))))))))))) - ★ Soner Gönül
Happy Holidays everyone! :-D - Kol Tregaskes
Merry Christmas - Xitong Liu
Merry Christmas - Vic Ted from iPhone
Bump. - Kol Tregaskes
like for the bump, ;) - chaz2b
ta... - --ef--
Thanks much Bret. Happy Holidays to you too! - RON08 owned by jd again
Feliz Navidad - Harlem Garciia
I liked it - abdul amid
hey :) - amal
holaa - Sercan
bretçim sana dm atamıyorum abone olur musun:) - Aynebilim G.
I do love this logo!!! - Rachel Lea Fox
I wonder how the holiday logo for FF will look this year? - Eivind
thanks - solncee
YAA BEN KAR YAĞMASINI BEKLİYORDUM BUNU HORTLATMAK İÇİN AMAAAAĞĞĞĞĞ...NABER BRET? - Aynebilim G.
breeeettt evine dön..evde çoluk çocuk perişannnn..söz veriyorum kirli çoraplarını kanepeye bıraktın diye bi daha kızmayacam!! - Aynebilim G.
UYUMA BRET - ferayebend
. - AJ Batac
Just had our first snow 45°30′N 73°34′W, Happy upcoming Holidays '13. - Zu from AOD
این بابا هم اواتارش با عکس زنش انداخته - alireza6211
UYUMA BRET - feraye - Koray AI
hindiyi yedin mi bret? - Kenny Powers
hoppalaaa... - Abdul değil lan EMRE!
daje - yespa
http://klimotek.ru - продажа и монтаж кондиционеров в Санкт-Петербурге - Ivan Denisov
program and training with #Dwayne_Johnson in six pays per week http://dwaynejohnson-therock.b... - AHMED2020
Bret Taylor
FriendFeed API v2 officially launching - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
"Two weeks ago, we launched version 2 of the FriendFeed API in beta. Since then, we've watched how developers have been using the API and collected a lot of their feedback. We've implemented some changes, and now, we're ready to remove the beta label!" - Bret Taylor from Bookmarklet
A two weeks beta in the 2.0 era sounds almost blasphem! Congrats! - Simone Ruffilli
Congrats to Ben and Gary for all their hard work getting this out the door. And thanks to all the developers who have been sending us great feedback the past couple weeks. - Bret Taylor
now.we.play /-) - Nicolas Voisin
Bret - Think we'd all be interested in a longer list as more apps make use of the API. Great stuff - Charlie Anzman
Congrats! - Riya Banerjee
v3 ne zaman geliyor hacım? - Çağrı
Evan Williams
People Who Exercise On Work Days Happier, Suffer Less Stress - http://digg.com/health...
Seems true for me - Evan Williams
Affirms my recent decision to get back in the gym at Google. :-) - Jeff Eddings
Yes, exercise is rewarding and reduces stress. This shouldn't be news to anyone :p - Charles Bihis
It's been shown over and over again that one of the best ways to build a strong mind is cardiovascular exercise (see: http://piaw.blogspot.com/2008...). Yet our offices and schools aren't designed around that! - Piaw Na
Wow, I've never seen comment spam like that here before. :-( - Ruchira S. Datta
@ev Hi Evan..I went to school with you at Columbus High School...I can't figure out how to send these tweets..I keep trying..let me know if it works. I just heard about what you have done..Cami and you lived in Lincoln, and that was the last I heard from you..I'd love to hear from you...I can't believe what you have accomplished:-)! Michelle Loseke - Michelle Loseke
Best. Comment. Ever. - Kevin Fox
That is awesome. - Akiva
Bret Taylor
FriendFeed API v2: Real-time, OAuth, file attachments, and more - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
FriendFeed API v2: Real-time, OAuth, file attachments, and more
"Today we are launching version 2 of the FriendFeed API for beta testing. We focused on making the API simpler to use, and we added number of compelling new features." Documentation: http://friendfeed.com/api... - Bret Taylor from Bookmarklet
OAuth? Sweet. Thanks a lot for all the new good stuff in the API: can't wait to use it. - Mark Trapp
very nice. great work! - Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
Yet another reason to like Bret. :-) - Jesse Stay
Great!!! - YungSang from FriendFoo
nice! - Daniel Rust
good job guys, I bet devs are jumping high right now - Dobromir Hadzhiev
Sweet, congrats! - Ivan Zuzak
nice, good to see OAuth support, this will enable a larger 3rd party ecosphere around FriendFeed, I hope - Jeroen De Miranda
After going through the documentation and playing around with some feeds, I love the fact that you can now see the subscriber lists of people who have their feeds set to private as long as you are subscribed to them and authenticate (mimicking the main site functionality). One thing that's absent is a discussion of Direct Messages. Do they show up in feeds if you authenticate? How do we find just direct messages? - Mark Trapp
Mark: direct messages are accessed using the feed ID "filter/direct". Read more about feed IDs at http://friendfeed.com/api.... Also direct messages appear in the "home" feed. - Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: ahhh, I see it now. I missed it when skimming that list over. Thanks! - Mark Trapp
Can you post the wget version of the command line? - Gabe
Gabe: wget --user=bgolub --password=passwd --post-file=MyPhoto.jpg http://friendfeed-api.com/v2... should work. In theory. Edit: nope. I'm not sure it's possible to do with wget. - Mark Trapp
Thanks God it is New API. - AlpB. from iPod
Nice progress here with this release! - Micah
I love it! - friday night
Why is wget questionable? - Gabe
Gabe: wget doesn't support multipart forms as a design decision. If you post a file, FriendFeed returns a 404, and if you post data, the query is too long for wget to handle. - Mark Trapp
Good work, look forward to seeing what developers can create - Joe Dawson
doublepluslike - Vezquex
curl FTW. - Jeremy Kunz
This is great, FriendFeed team. Good job. - Thierry R. Andriamirado
Woowoo, bgolub's password is “passwd” ;-) - Amit Patel
Amit: I wonder how many people tested that :) - Benjamin Golub
Thanks to bgolub posting his password, I now have all of FriendFeed's secret documents about notorious users, useless metrics, Justin Timberlake's promoting FF on Oprah's show, hiring Colbert as a spokesperson, Ev Williams being just a “distraction”. TechCrunch is going to love this! ;) - Amit Patel
Yes big big thanks to the whole team for all their hard work!! - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ from iPhone
thank you;) waiting for the release :) loving clone - abdellah from FriendFeed API Example
Yay subscribers exposed! - EricaJoy
Finally OAuth, I had a hard time memorizing my remote key. - Hugh Isaacs II
This is indeed very cool, anybody started on a c# version? - Jesper Lind
John E. Bredehoft
There are some universal truths in our culture. Please list them in the comments below.
Joan Jett loves rock and roll. - John E. Bredehoft
Clifford is a big red dog. - John E. Bredehoft
"You" ain't nothing but a hound dog? - Mark Trapp
The rich get richer. - Fred Yankowski
This, too, shall pass. - DGentry
Leroy Brown is the baddest man in the whole damn town. - FFing Enigma
It's less dangerous with the lights out. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
(for Los Angeles area readers) You're killing me Larry! - John E. Bredehoft
Some people are asshats. If you let them get to you, they win. - DGentry
You don't step on Superman's cape. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
There is a light that never goes out. - Big Joe Silence
Every rose has Its thorn - Dean "Karnatos" Michaud
The rhythm's gonna get you. - Eric
Rick will never give you up. - Josh Haley
There's a little black spot on the sun today. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my... more... - Tyler (Chacha)
All TV and no beer make Homer go crazy. - Big Joe Silence
My brain hurts! - John E. Bredehoft
I received three submissions via Twitter from @redstickrant (Clifford): ""Never get involved in a land war in Asia." "Why, yes, I do want fries with that..." "History is made at night. Character is what you are in the dark." - John E. Bredehoft
No means no, and that means no. - Big Joe Silence
No deposit no return. - John E. Bredehoft
Crazy Gideon is in fact CRAZY! And if you wantacomputer he hasacomputer. - Anika
"Crazy Eddie, his prices are IN-SA-A-A-A-A-ANE!" (I had to look that one up in Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... ) - John E. Bredehoft
If you need a car or truck, you must go see Cal. - Anika
LL Cool J needs love. - Anika
There ain't no place like a hole in the ground. - Ha3rvey (on hiatus)
Cash rules everything around me. - Derrick
Tomorrow is not only another day, but it's also when the sun will come out. - Anika
It's always in the last place you look. - suzanne
Video killed the radio star - Steve C Team Marina
No matter where you go, there you are. - Bill Bittner
It is easier said than done. - Anika
Soy milk does NOT make a good White Russian. - suzanne
Your luggage is almost heavier than you can carry, and most of it you don't need. - Micah
The lines at Ikea are always longer than they appear. - Anika
Anika, you mean you have to pay for that stuff? - Micah
Gmail will *always* be in Beta. - Anika
The sun is a mass of incandescent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace. - Glenn Slaven
People crave sugar, salt and lard. - Robert Hafer
Universal truths are cultural assumptions :) - Barbara
Change! - John E. Bredehoft
Everything is in the details. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Most people dont want the truth - Tony C (Unrated)
You can pick your nose, and you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your friend's nose. - Kenton
There ain't no mountain high enough. - Anika
Soylent Green is People. - Colette
Cadbury bunny poops eggs. - Arlan K.
You can't always get what you want. - Brent - Yes I am
String cheese should not be eaten like a stick of cheese but in strings. - Mona Nomura
We might be vanilla but our labs are chocolate. - Morgan
People who are always looking for an easy way out are the easiest ones to scam - Rahsheen
Farts smell like shit - Rodfather
Farts have poo particles floating in them. GROSS - Mona Nomura
The only things open after midnight are Waffle Houses, clubs/bars, and legs - Rahsheen
Hey, he who smelt it dealt it - Rob H.
Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb. - Rob H.
Your actual talent in a specific area is not enough to make you a success in that area - Rahsheen
No one puts Baby in the corner. - Steve C Team Marina
It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man of good fortune must be in want of a wife. - Trish Haley
The truth hurts - Bwana ☠
The heart of rock and roll *is* still beating. - Anika
When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. - Big Joe Silence
A writer is a person for whom writing is more difficult than it is for other people. - diego morelli
You can dance if you want to. - Anika
All rights reserved. - John E. Bredehoft
Your mileage may vary. - Big Joe Silence
Nobody likes a whistler. - Liza + = ?
Offer void where prohibited. - Big Joe Silence
Some assembly required. - John E. Bredehoft
UNIX is a trademark of Bell Laboratories. - John E. Bredehoft from fftogo
Ron White was correct. You can't cure stupid. - Joel Robert Perez
Everything counts in large amounts. - suzanne
The sun always shines on TV. - John E. Bredehoft
One thing leads to another (♫ ♪ ♫ ♪) - Nick Humphries
People always ask for absolute truths on social websites. - Tony C (Unrated) from email
You can't always get what you want. But sometimes, you just might get what you need. - Amy℠
You can only be young once, but you can be immature forever. - Amy℠
Dogs are better to hang out with than people, even when they poop on the floor. - Bette Cooper
The answer to the question of life is 42. - Colette
Even when summer is ending, Joan Jett STILL loves rock and roll. - John E. Bredehoft
Time heals all wounds - Carlton Prest
I am. You are. - jeff hammond
Choo choo Charlie was an engineer. - John E. Bredehoft
Love is a battlefield. - Josh Haley from iPhone
You blink and two years go by. Sneeze, and decades go poof. Then it's close your eyes for that final slumber. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
When you go to Disneyland, you're not the goofy one. - John E. Bredehoft
The apple does not fall far from the tree. - Liza + = ?
I was going to add "the sun always shines on TV," but I already did. Oh, what the heck, I'll do it again. - John E. Bredehoft
All through Amsterdam straight to Italy you can feel the beat of a European thing. Always Europop. https://plus.google.com/#108631... - John E. Bredehoft
Kol Tregaskes
What is your Last.fm URL? Add me here if you like: http://www.last.fm/user...
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Don't forget about the FriendFeed group on Last.fm too, more details here: http://ff.im/62vKL #whatsyoururl - Kol Tregaskes
Cool, thanks, Nicholas. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
I was gonna say...doesn't the FF group on Last.fm take care of this? - Spidra Webster
I finally found one person on my friends' list who we are "Very High" - Shevonne
MWM has a last.fm group at last.fm that you may want to check out - RAPatton from iPhone
Low? Strange, I like (and listen to) most of your top artists. http://www.last.fm/user... - Marcos
I think you befriended me on it, but mine's http://last.fm/user/vmlemon. - Tyson Key
Crud - dropped this on the wrong FF post. Ah well! Sorry to whomever I apparently spammed! http://www.last.fm/user... - Ciaoenrico
And frankly, I like adding friends with whom I have a low compatibility. It helps me hear music I never would have found in the first place. I never would have listened to a lot of my favorite music if someone hadn't said, "just try it." - Ciaoenrico
Heh, "Music you have in common includes ABBA and Depeche Mode"... - Tyson Key
Last.fm profile exchange? I'm at http://www.last.fm/user... - Czar
Haggis, your link didn't work. - Kol Tregaskes
Fossil Huntress, you have the highest compatibility so far. Low but still the highest. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
ABBA and Depeche Mode are killer. Whose said that? Whom should I be friending there? :) - Ciaoenrico
No me. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
Czar, yep basically it is. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Your musical compatibility with koltregaskes is Very Low. Music you have in common includes Sneaker Pimps, Hybrid, Snake River Conspiracy, VAST and The Boxer Rebellion. (that's because I listen to a lot of obscure stuff) http://www.last.fm/user/app103 - April Russo
http://www.last.fm/listen... BTW, I send my Blip.FM feed to Last.FM. I fell asleep several times while listening to Blip, so there's some music in there that I don't necessarily like. But, for the most part, it's mine. - Michael Fidler
user/tofu916 I LoVe last.fm! - Tofu De la Moore from BuddyFeed
http://www.last.fm/user... - I'm going to leave it playing scrobbing my 5 stars over lunch so it can log some of my favourite tracks - Toby Graham
http://www.last.fm/user... - I share a lot of my "love it" back to twitter by funneling through here :-) - Courtney Engle
I've listed my top 25ish songs of the moment here: http://ff.im/6diug if anyone is interested. - Kol Tregaskes
If I played my 'best of the best' playlist one day would anyone be interested? It's 45 songs and iTunes tells me it's 4 hours. I can post a FF message when I start and finish and you can check the tunes out. - Kol Tregaskes
Thanks for all the friends request BTW, I work up this morning to 30 of them in my inbox. :-) I've added you all. - Kol Tregaskes
Glenn, I get a high compatibility with you. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
I am going to add you right now...I am http://last.fm/user... :O) - Harold Cabezas
Don't use it as much as I used to, but it's -> http://www.last.fm/user... - Matthew Horton
I barely use last.fm as a site - but I scrobble all the time. Like everywhere else I am finalcut there. - Bill Rawlinson
Bill, that's pretty much what I do. What's your URL? :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Keep 'em coming, I'll add you all later today. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Thank you!! :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Last.fm/user/iMJR - Matt Ruiz
Thank you. - Kol Tregaskes
hi! http://last.fm/user/legaria I frankly don't see the value in adding friends there though ??' - Franc, a rememberer
Franc, you can recommendations and more choice in your Neighbourhood radios stations. - Kol Tregaskes
Welp. Ya'll have been friended and oddly enough I only had 4 with high compatibility. Lucky for me that means there is a lot more music our there that I need to be turned on to. Thanks, Kol! :-) - Mathew A. Koeneker
hm - and looking at my last.fm page, I'd say I need to use my ipod more and Pandora a bit less ... - Chris Rogers
oh. I get it, thanks Kol. I'm still finding my way through it. - Franc, a rememberer
I signed up back in 2005: http://www.last.fm/user... Not using it anymore since they pulled that stunt. Scrobbling to http://alpha.libre.fm/user... - Morgaine LeFaye
Bumping this post after seeing the new Friend Finder on Last.fm. - Kol Tregaskes
zephoria
My favorite description of G+ so far: "I like it. It's an app without my mom!"
Paul Buchheit
Why Snack Food Is Addictive: The Grand Unified Theory of Snack Appeal - http://www.gnolls.org/2074...
Why Snack Food Is Addictive: The Grand Unified Theory of Snack Appeal
Why Snack Food Is Addictive: The Grand Unified Theory of Snack Appeal
"Complete protein is satiating. Our bodies absolutely require complete protein—but they also have a limited capacity to process protein in excess of our requirement. This shows up as what’s called “protein leverage”: people tend to consume food until they’ve ingested about 360 calories worth of complete protein. All other things being equal, if we eat foods high in protein, we consume less calories, and if we eat foods low in protein, we consume more. Therefore, if we want to sell an addictive and non-satiating food, we should keep it very low in protein (e.g. candy, cookies, potato chips). If it does contain protein, that protein should be incomplete—deficient in at least one essential amino acid—since the limiting factor for protein utilization is the least abundant essential amino acid. Guess what? Corn and wheat, the foundation of chips, crackers, cookies, and over 90% of the breakfast aisle, are both deficient in lysine. And both zein (corn protein) and gluten (wheat protein) are... more... - Paul Buchheit from Bookmarklet
"Here’s a startling experiment: rats prefer saccharine and sugar to intravenous cocaine, even after previously becoming addicted to cocaine." - Gabe
AJ Batac
Bohemian Rhapsody: Sing with me...
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open your ice - AJ Batac
look up to the sky and sea - AJ Batac
*look up to this guy and C :-) - Slippy
Lime just to pour Boi (Boi = Big Boi from Outkast) - Andy
I remember when "Wayne's World" came out, people were making on-air requests for "Bohemian Rap City" - Victor Ganata
Noooooooooooooooooo! - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
This is only like the best thing EVER! - Anika from Android
YES - Josh Haley
This. Needs to be on a shirt. ASAP. - Hookuh Tinypants
This is so perfect. SO perfect. - Martha
Guess what song is playing now? My mind immediately went here. - Anika
My heart will go on? - AJ Batac
Ha. No. - Anika
Andrew Perry
Time to get familiar with identi.ca - "Twitter tells third-party devs to stop making Twitter client apps http://via.pulsene.ws/151JN "
There are several advantages - I have the standard acct there http://identi.ca/kubke as well as my personal domain http://kubke.status.net/ I also have status.net installed on my server for internal lab communication - On personal domains one can increase the length of messages (I made it longer than 140 characters for lab communications) - Kubke
Louis Gray
Congratulations to @lizasperling for her new role joining Seesmic, as well as to @loic for the fine hire.
Congrats to both! - Mary B: #TeamMonique
Eff yeah, Liza! - Scoble, Alex Scoble from YouFeed
Congrats, Liza! - Anne Bouey
Coolio - Eric
Deepak Singh
I might not be a huge R fan (scalability, design), but anything to get away from excel. - Deepak Singh
Stephen Mack
Once this post shows up in Bing and Google when you search for louisakivacristojimminymoniquemicahkfoxanikahaggis then we know that Bing and Google are copying their search results from FriendFeed.
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Only cause it's missing a Derrick. - Derrick
Dang, I should have made it louisakivacristojimminymoniquemicahkfoxanikahaggisderrick. - Stephen Mack
I am first! - Louis Gray
Maybe I was thinking of a different Louis. - Stephen Mack
The fourteenth? - Derrick
JIMMINY, that's IT! You proved Google is copying from FriendFeed! - Stephen Mack
Derrick: Mais oui. Le FriendFeed, c'est toi. - Stephen Mack
Bing is not on the ball: http://www.bing.com/search... -- but evidently Bing also agrees that Louis is first. - Stephen Mack
i just busted out laughing - thread of the day! - Allen Stern
Maybe I was thinking of a different haggis? - Stephen Mack
I was thinking of a different Cristo. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
You mispelt the crickets name. - NOT THE CRICKET
Reverse sting op! - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
Jimminy, I was thinking of you. - Stephen Mack
Ha ha... - Wulfmansworld
On Google, the Friendfeed search is the first result: http://www.google.com/search... Bing has 3 results, but none of them are even Stephen's! http://www.bing.com/search... - Kevin Fox
Jeremy Zawodny
Using the Python NLTK Bayesian Classifier for word sense disambiguation - 92% accuracy - Jim Plush's Programming Paradise - http://www.litfuel.net/plush...
very cool - Jeremy Zawodny
edythe
Is Surfing A Gateway Drug to Happiness? - LAist - http://laist.com/2010...
Is Surfing A Gateway Drug to Happiness? - LAist
"It's accepted that regular surf sessions are responsible for mellowing many a dude, but can serious surf time make you happy too? Manhattan Beach native Ryan Pittsinger has studied the link between surfing and mental health and has found that just 30 minutes of riding waves can significantly decrease negative feelings, according to the Hermosa Beach Patch. After polling more than 100 surfers in Manhattan Beach, he found that surfing increased feelings of "tranquility" and "calmness" more than other athletic activities and that several surfers have linked their love of riding waves with having a positive effect on their depression." [Photo by Jason Rojas via the LAist Featured Photos pool on Flickr] - edythe from Bookmarklet
so fucking true it's not even funny! - Nicķ
i thought you might agree! - edythe
Paul Buchheit
Wattvision Energy Sensor: Now shipping! - http://blog.wattvision.com/wattvis...
Wattvision Energy Sensor: Now shipping!
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"Wattvision is now shipping the Wattvision Energy Sensor for digital and analog meters.  We've graduated from our beta hardware to what you see in the photos above. For the next two weeks, we're offering the complete wattvision system (Gateway + Sensor appropriate for your meter) for just $239 with free 2-3 day shipping in the United States." - Paul Buchheit from Bookmarklet
Just sent them a message to see if this will work with my solar system (E7 net metering). Looks like a cool product! - Steve and 4 other people
I want the kind where I have to open up my electrical panel. Do they have one of those? - Gabe
Try Google Powermeter or "TED" http://www.google.com/powerme... http://www.theenergydetective.com/ Neither of those work with Solar PV systems, though. - Steve and 4 other people
Steve: The TED 5000 claims it's "Solar/Wind Compatible". Is that not what you're looking for? - Gabe
I got a "Blue Line" electrical meter reader awhile ago...my meter reader guy keeps taking it off (maybe he can't read the meter). Would be much more inclined to use a hard-wired TED sort of thing next time. - Michael Herf
Matt Cutts
I didn't think anyone would notice this, but Google OS did. - Matt Cutts from Bookmarklet
I just wish it was this good in Chrome's Omnibox.... - Nathan Snyder
Can anyone point me to publications/papers/research on Google Suggest? Naively, it seems to be like - "SELECT query,count FROM query_logs WHERE query LIKE 'user_query%' ORDER BY count DESC LIMIT 10". - Space Cowboy
@Cowboy: I don't know of any public papers, but I'm guessing there's a lot of offline processing to extract common queries and phrases. I seriously doubt it could be this fast coming out of a SQL database :) - Joel Webber
Thanks Webber. I found a great post here (which also links to a patent): http://www.seobythesea.com/... - Space Cowboy
Two articles that were probably written when Google Suggest launched - http://www.slate.com/id... and http://serversideguy.blogspot.com/2004... - Space Cowboy
Found a related paper - "Efficient Type-Ahead Search on Relational Data: a TASTIER Approach" - http://dbgroup.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn/ligl... - discusses query prediction in relational databases. - Space Cowboy
Finally, found this very relevant patent - http://www.google.com/patents... Keven Gibbs launched Google Suggest in his 20% time...I wouldn't have found this out if it weren't for Quora! - http://www.quora.com/How-doe... - Space Cowboy
İnanç Gümüş
"That covers all MapReduce apps I recall hearing about via commercial companies and users, and also includes most of what’s in the two big sources I found online." - İnanç Gümüş
turkiye'de var mi bildiginiz mapreduce algoritmalari kullanan (hadoop veya baska bir platform ile)? - İnanç Gümüş
For an updated list, check here: http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop... - İnanç Gümüş
biz test cluster ı kurduk, biraz test ettik, hbase ile daha çok ilgilendik. Ancak production a geçirmedik şimdilik. - denizoktar
@denizoktar ben de 200 - 300 kadar web sitesinin populer iceriklerinin analiz edilip istatistiklerinin toplanmasinda kullanmak istiyorum - İnanç Gümüş
production level kullanan var mi? sikintilarini da merak ediyorum, avantajlari bariz - İnanç Gümüş
@winterismute cikan sikintilardan bahsetmek pek trade secret olmasa gerek :) - İnanç Gümüş
anlamasi zor olmamisti daha ilk basta da. cunku bazi sorunlari bu yontem ile cozmeyi dusunmeye baslamistim kendi kendime. bundan birkac sene sonra da mapreduce'u duymustum... bahsettigin gibi hicbir sikintisi olmadigina inanamiyorum (production'da). - İnanç Gümüş
@Gökhan acaba #google arama sonuclarini getirirken canli olarak #mapreduce yapiyor mudur diye dusunuyorum. mapreduce'un dedigin gibi batch processing icin daha uygun oldugunu dusunuyorum. #cassandra bayaa sirket tarafindan kullaniliyormus, ilgi cekici. onu da arastirmak lazim. twitter su an kullaniyormus cassandra'yi bu arada... digerleri: Digg, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Rackspace, Cloudkick, Cisco, SimpleGeo, Ooyala... - İnanç Gümüş
#mapreduce'u gericilik olarak gorenler de var bu arada. bkz: http://bit.ly/awhq5f - İnanç Gümüş
evet, dediklerine katiliyorum. yerine gore fonksiyonel programlama yapmanin da bir sakincasi yok. share-nothing mimarisi kurabilmek icin verimlilik anlaminda boyle olmasi gerekli - İnanç Gümüş
ozetlersek: ham data >> hbase >> mapreduce >> cassandra << realtime analyze. cassandra'ya verileri atarken de verinin ne sekilde istenecegini dusunup cassandra ustunde buna gore bir yapi olusturmak mantikli olacaktir tahminen. cassandra'yi biraz daha arastirmam lazim - İnanç Gümüş
@gokhan listeme koydum, firsat bulunca okuyacagim, tesekkurler:) bu arada bigtable makalesinden biraz once arastirmaya baslamistim ben de no-sql db'leri. dedigim gibi ogrenmesi fazla sikinti degil ama pratik olarak denenip deneyim edildikten sonra asil bahsedilmeyen yonlerinin fayda/zararlarinin ortaya cikacagini dusunuyorum - İnanç Gümüş
Michael Nielsen
Sciientists Seeking NSF Funding Will Soon Be Required to Submit Data Management Plans - http://www.nsf.gov/news...
Old news (May 2010), bookmarked for my future use. Encouraging small steps, similar to the old 2003 NIH requirement for grants over 500k. - Michael Nielsen
Yes, I am. That's what reminded me to bookmark this. As you know, I agree with you: small steps on these kind of requirements are often a good thing, much as we might wish for more, more quickly... - Michael Nielsen
Dorothea, no fear, he is actually a great smart pragmatic guy on the side of the light ;) Personally, I agree with him that the NSF didn't go far enough. I'm all for being incremental, but I still think they could have taken a first step that more directly emphasized the principle that data should be publicly archived when possible. Steps are necessary but so slow: the NIH requirement for example is pretty old at 2003, and 500k excludes a whole lotta grants. - Heather Piwowar
I am seeking NSFW funding. DM me. - Steele Lawman
Heather - I think working with individual communities of scientists will be necessary. Data from many labs needs huge amounts of context to make any sense at all. If it's archived without that context, it'll be useless or nearly so. For mandates to have the desired impact will require buy-in from individual communities. That'll be slow and hard work, but ultimately much more successful. - Michael Nielsen
(A nice example of how this worked for the human genome: http://mondediplo.com/2002... Essentially, the mandate emerged from the community, with the granting agencies then acting as an enforcement mechanism.) - Michael Nielsen
Agreed. I don't think they should have said that everyone should start putting everything on websites tomorrow. But the plan, the press releases, and an NSF officer I heard talking about the plan at a data archiving workshop last month failed to emphasize the *goal* of shared data, from the funder's perspective. A "where there is a will there is a way, let's start figuring it out" attitude. - Heather Piwowar
And any discussion on this topic requires you to read Titus Brown's blog post: http://ivory.idyll.org/blog... - Deepak Singh
Titus nails it. That's de facto the plan that is (and likely will be for some time) implemented in many labs... - Michael Nielsen
Lars Juhl Jensen
My download of 300+ GB of Open Access articles from PubMed Central has finished!
Are you going to put that 300+GB PMC/OA up as BioTorrent? - Egon Willighagen
Well, I'm thinking about hosting one way or another. The big question is whether to host the full download or just the much more practical processed version that is what would be relevant to people doing text mining. - Lars Juhl Jensen
I doubt a torrent would be a practical way to store things since there would be new papers added continuously. I'm more thinking about how to set up something with a big "baseline" file and daily or weekly updates to download. You know, the kind of thing that I wish NCBI would have provided for me ;-) - Lars Juhl Jensen
@Lars... #biotorrent shares #PLoS papers this way. By year, or so. Then update would use just http... - Egon Willighagen
Lars, what's the size of the corpus? ... Added later .. 300+ GB of course :-s - Deepak Singh
Good idea Egon - I could make torrents divided by year (or month)! - Lars Juhl Jensen
Indeed. Because even in the CC-OA world, published papers hardly ever get updated :( - Egon Willighagen
There is also the option to just share the whole thing via HTTP. My servers sit on a 10 Gbit/s network that connects them directly to the Danish backbone of the internet. So I think they should be able to handle the load :-) - Lars Juhl Jensen
But, but... then your WM online video connection will slow down... - Egon Willighagen
Thanks for considering adding this resource, Lars! I'd find it valuable to be able to retrieve the XML files individually by PMID or PMCID, and I could also benefit from access to your sentence mark-up. - Heather Piwowar
We plan to have a REST API to give access to the data, but the specification has not been made yet. Input on what you would like to be able to do would thus be welcome :-) What I already plan to have is the ability to query for the documents that mention an entity (or set of entitities?), the entities that are mentioned in a document (or set of documents?), and the text of a given document (provided that it is OA - we will also have non-OA content in the same database). - Lars Juhl Jensen
Hi Lars, there's something that would be nice for us, if it happens to be easy for you. In the current version of PhyloFacts (PhyloFacts 2.0), we have protein families ("books") with bpg accessions like "bpg\d\d\d\d\d\d", e.g., bpg000959. The url for the book is http://phylogenomics.berkeley.edu/book... Sometimes a "d" might be appended at the end (for... more... - Ruchira S. Datta
More generally, making this a resource for the community to do text mining will be really valuable, thanks so much! You're probably aware of http://biotext.berkeley.edu (no relation to our group). - Ruchira S. Datta
Heather: Which would be more useful, the .nxml file alone or the full .tar.gz? Might be able to whip up something to help while Lars or someone else work on developing a new service. - Mike Chelen
Mike, I actually already have a web server that allows you to download either .tar.gz or .nxml files based on either PMID or PMCID. I'm just waiting for the systems administrator to open the port in the firewall ... - Lars Juhl Jensen
Did a quick http proxy hack: you can now access my mirror of the OA subset of PMC at http://reflect.cpr.ku.dk/pmc/ - Lars Juhl Jensen
Lars: Is the code used to set up the server available? That looks handy! - Mike Chelen
Mike, you can have it if you like, but it is really not more than a 20 line C-shell script that is run weekly as a cron job. Oh the awesome power of Unix :-) - Lars Juhl Jensen
Wrote something similar a couple weeks back and would like to compare. Fewer lines is no downside when writing code! - Mike Chelen
Micah
Guatemala: First, volcanic eruption; then, devastating tropical storm - http://www.boingboing.net/2010...
Guatemala: First, volcanic eruption; then, devastating tropical storm
Not shopped, by all indications. - Micah from Bookmarklet
OMG, that is unreal. - Kenton
Wow - Bluesun 2600
In the comments, mention is made of the 2007 sinkhole in Guatemala. You could fit the Statue of Liberty in it. With plenty of room above to spare. - Steven Perez
Jules Verne called, and wanted to say, "Just wow." - Micah
çukur görünce ilk aklıma gelen #Bilica :) - alperyz
Wow! - Kol Tregaskes
Kol Tregaskes
What's your Google Wave account? Mine is kolint [at] googlewave [dot] com. Feel free to add me.
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If you want an invite or have invites to give away check the 'Great Google Wave Invite' thread here: http://ff.im/91M9R EDIT: Or try this for invites: http://googlewaveinvites.com/ - Kol Tregaskes
mmastrac - Matt M (inactive)
127ajr I wish we didn't have to keep our gmail names. - Californian
roshan.ramachandran - Roshan Ramachandran
Added you all. Taylan, well you have at least one now. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
Wait, Google Wave gives you an email address? Super awesome! - Nick Humphries
Nick, well it's your Gmail address but with @googlewave.com instead of @gmail.com (or @googlemail.com) - Kol Tregaskes
I'd like one. hmnunes@gmail.com - HN from iPhone
HN, post here instead: http://ff.im/91M9R - Kol Tregaskes
Kol: That's pretty neat. Wish it was shorter like wave.com or gwave.com (Google owns gwave.com anyway) or something. - Nick Humphries
@gwave.com doesn't seem to work. - Kol Tregaskes
any you give me an invite? - Dennis Chu
Goofy2, post here: http://ff.im/91M9R - Kol Tregaskes
andrewterry2.0@googlewave.com - Andrew Terry
please an invite =/ m.furkantunali [\at/] gmail.com - Furkan Tunalı
Furkan, post here instead: http://ff.im/91M9R - Kol Tregaskes
Thanks, sorry. - Furkan Tunalı
if only you could bold an announcement in FF like you can in Wave :D [oh, and my username on Wave is the splendiforously original "adamlasnik"] - Adam Lasnik
selcuke@gmail.com .thx - Selcuk Ergin
Guys, please read the title and the first comment. This is not a request for invites. This is for users who already have an account and want to share their account name. For invites see this thread: http://ff.im/91M9R - Kol Tregaskes
My Wave ID is erier2003@googlewave.com. Feel free to add me and we can Wave! - Eric Geller
skitcherboy@googlewave.com - Ahmed
don.bonaddio@googlewave.com - Don Bonaddio
ismaileski@gmail.com - ieski
none of my 6 invitees received it .... 8 hrs & counting. Wats the avg time invites take to come thru..? - Roshan Ramachandran
Roshan, it seems completely random. - Kol Tregaskes
terry.donaghe - iTad
sscott@googlewave.com - Spencer
damondnollan@googlewave.com - Damond Nollan
farzaam.net@gmail.com - farzaam
Still don't really know what this is (Or Google Voice for that matter). This is like high school all over again. The cool kids are ignoring me! - James Ferguson
bjtitus@googlewave.com - Brandon Titus
i have no juice...consultfab@gmail.com - Bryan R. Adams
i'm with the google wave woudl be really cool, if i had people to wave at crowd. jviddy@googlewave.com - Jamie Vidamour
Everyone, read the title and first comment. This is NOT an invite thread! - Kol Tregaskes
Blimey. I must be going mad, is it not clear that this is NOT an invite thread. For invites see here: http://ff.im/91M9R - Kol Tregaskes
Not sure if anyone else woudl find it useful, i'm going to add a load of you as friends and create a wave just to try stuff out in. Feel free to remove yourself from the wave or use it as you feel. Also feel free to add anyone else you think might want to be in on it - Jamie Vidamour
Shockingly, I am robdiana@googlewave.com - Rob Diana
Gasp! :-) - Kol Tregaskes
I'm pavels.romanovskis@gmail or maybe pavels@googlewave.com please see which one works - прыгскокпрыгскок
ajbatac@googlewave.com ;) - AJ Batac
bcl.lee@googlewave.com - BRҰANSAҰS
jtyost2@googlewave.com - Justin Yost
thehenrydandrea@googlewave.com - TheHenry
joshbegin - Josh Begin
bluecockatoo@googlewave.com - Lindsay
keith.kleverideas for me. - Keith Bennett
abrudtkuhl@googlewave.com - andy brudtkuhl
I don't have one. - Chris Charabaruk
yipwang@gmail.com if anybody wants to add me, perhaps someone can 'wave' me into a circle on wave? :P - Wang Yip
i'm: shaynorulz@gmail.com - the Kol rocks! - shayne catrett
Thanks everyone. - Kol Tregaskes
destek [at] afyonblog [dot] com - mustafa03
chrisofspades at googlewave.com - chrisofspades
I guess I'm kamilah.gill or kamilahgill. Where do I see it? - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Add me to your google wave contacts and send me a wave hello jmnewhart@googlewave.com - Jesse Newhart
Woo hoo! - Tony C (Unrated) from fftogo
scobleizer@googlewave.com - Robert Scoble
monamail@googlewave.com :) - Mona Nomura
alexishope@googlewave.com - Alexis Hope
galtenbergs at same - Christopher Galtenberg
ksheppardson - Ken Sheppardson
faithx5@googlewave.com is me. :) - Jandy
zholmquist@googlewave.com - Zach Holmquist
Added, thanks. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Kamilah, you are kamilah.gill. You can find this if you click on yourself in the Contacts sidebar. You address (like everyone) is shown there. - Kol Tregaskes
emirhanizmir at gmail dot com thank you :) - Nutella Ferrero (emirhan)
rmorrill@googlewave.com - Dan owns Comicsforge.com
The invite thread is here: http://ff.im/91M9R. - Kol Tregaskes
vezquex@googlewave.com - Vezquex
Ok got you all loaded in to google wave - nice list thanks Kol! r/d - Dan owns Comicsforge.com
No worries. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
gdearing@googlewave.com - George Dearing
I'd like to be invited : natoorenet@gmail.com - MeŤi
Meti: http://ff.im/91M9R .. invites are not in this thread - Wang Yip
libyano@gmail.com plz - Saeed Ashour
Afcontact@gmail.com with my eternal recognition! - Arnaud Fischer from iPhone
lardissone@googlewave.com - Leandro Ardissone ⍨
mikefruchter@googlewave.com - Mike Fruchter
trappermark@googlewave.com - Mark Traphagen
jeffisageek@googlewave.com - (jeff)isageek
donothaveanaccount@googlewave.com :( - Mo Kargas
This thread is now live in an embedbed public wave in Google Wave. - Kol Tregaskes
Patrick@googlewave.com - Patrick
fatihkurtoglu@gmail.com - mfatih
aksenova.katerina@gmail.com - Prometa
Have someone placed invites in places like inviteshare.com? - TrafficBug
impressive. :) - Miguel Wickert- Pineiro
chicagorachelbaker@googlewave.com - Rachel Baker
Thanks everyone. - Kol Tregaskes
lukather77@googlewave.com - Lorenzo Strambi
flexdaddy[at]googlewave.com - Eric Price
I am at empoprises at googlewave dot com. And no, I do not have any invites. - John E. Bredehoft
John, added you. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
krynsky...on there. - Mark Krynsky
johnacraft.com@googlewave.com - John Craft
Ehi, I need an invitation... Feel free to mail me at napolux@gmail.com ;) - Napolux from twhirl
empty1 - Matt Thompson
ninthart at googlewave dot com - Brad Brooks
Great!! Add me as well....haroldcabezas@googlewave.com Look forward to connecting there, I think Google Wave is great. - Harold Cabezas
guilhermegom@googlewave.com - guilherme
Thank you all. - Kol Tregaskes
I need Wave invite :) - Naceron
zoolcar9@googlewave.com - Zulkarnain K.
canuckmackem@googlewave.com - Simon Tracey
kevin.j.gamble@googlewave.com - Kevin Gamble
commenting from the embedded thread - Mr. Gunn
fuk and i am still @gmail.com !!!! - viki saigal
sniffle - Karoli
I'm sniffling because I don't have a google wave nick. Despite two invites, there is still nothing in my inbox. I am not in with the in crowd. :( - Karoli
thanks, I will! - Karoli
hanten@googlewave.com - Ben Hanten
john.worthington.aac@googlewave.com - Johnny
I still don't have an invite :/ mattb4rd@gmail.com - Mattb4rd
finally got my wave! :-) qtbrowneyes☺googlewave - browneyes
YAY!!!! I'm wavin' at you! karoli.kuns@googlewave.com - Karoli
I am vimoh.writer - vimoh
<- Waves hello! :) I'm at holger.eilhard@googlewave.com - Holger Eilhard
hello holger, can you pls send me invite? fatihkurtoglu@gmail.com - mfatih
Invite came today! I'm jalada@googlewave.com. As part of the second/third 'Wave' of people getting invites looks like I don't get any to share out. - Jalada
M Fatih Kurtoglu: Sorry, I don't yet have any nominations to give out... - Holger Eilhard
I'm brominet at google, dot com. - Brome
jvjannotti@googlewave.com - Jim: with more caffeine!
Hey, I'm in too ! :)) tagyboy@googlewave.com - fwed
Just got my invite this morning as well. FF embed seems to be working fine. I've tried the Wolfram Alpha robot but didn't get it to work yet. - François Dongier
Thanks, Kol. Nice list. - Wins Fern
librarysupporter@googlewave.com in my wave. :) - MLx
Glad to see more and more people getting in. What we're waiting for is proper group support (a few weeks hopefully) then let the games begin! :-D - Kol Tregaskes
Anyone have a spare google wave invite to send to me? email me at zaldor at gmail ! TY! - Les Zaldor
that is a test from the wave that has this thread embedded. - Nathalie
Hey cool, Nathalie. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
how does one find that thread within wave? - Jim: with more caffeine!
Search for the term "friendfeed", you might have to put "with:public friendfeed" - Kol Tregaskes
please send one! + strefrextor %& gmail /( com =? - Musa Avcı
If I had wave I would add you, but seeing as I don't, I won't :( - Simon Doyle from Nambu
woland783 - Alessandro
i'm francois.dongier in googlewave as in gmail - François Dongier
amyb1961@ - oh wait, that's right, I don't HAVE it yet! - Amy℠
avandos08@googlewave.com - Harold
jasonw22@googlewave.com - Jason Wehmhoener
tlhote@googlewave.com - Thierry Lhôte
jmortonscott - Jason
this is great! - Kenyth
rowlikeagirl{at}googlewave. com. Whew, I just added all the contacts here. That wasn't too tedious! - rowlikeagirl
ronin.ben@googlewave.com - rönin
susan.beebe@googlewave.com :) - Susan Beebe
svartling@googlewave.com Please add me? :) - Svartling
I'll have some juice as well yannrs@googlewave.com - Yann Ropars
I see there are lots or new people on Wave. Keep em coming. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
jimminyfuller@googlewave.com - NOT THE CRICKET
sedairenguozmen@googlewave.com - seda irengü özmen
adrianculici@googlewave.com - Adrian
quackofdawn@googlewave.com - noname
Waving from GWave. - Wins Fern
brodiebeta@googlewave.com =) - Brodie Beta
pascal.sijen@googlewave.com - Pascal Sijen
ancyru8 [at] googlewave.com Finally got myself an account! - Andrew Trinh
krz9000 [@] googlewave.com - Chris Hofmann
Mine is mrfabbri@googlewave.com - Marco Fabbri
laura.botts [at] googlewave.com - L to tha B
sarper [at] googlewave.com - Sarper Sılaoğlu
al86shaw [at] googlewave.com - Alan (Giraffes)
ryan.hirsch [at] googlewave.com - Ryan
tosh54 [at] googlewave.com - Peter Hoffmann
laura.norvig@googlewave.com - Laura Norvig
I will as soon as I get one WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! - Martha
banane@googlewave.com <-- writing this from wave. neat! - anna sauce
marco.nunez@googlewave - FINALLY! like i said on twitter - i feel like the kid who got a nintendo 1 christmas too late when everyone had already beaten super mario bros! - Marco(aureliusmaximus)
denise.straessler@googlewave - stupid me had no idea i wouldn't be able to select a different name ..... - denise
Thanks everyone! :-) - Kol Tregaskes
kendrak@googlewave.com - kendrak
rjccviii -at- gmail dawt com - Richard Lawler
mdfidler [at] googlewave [dot] com - Michael Fidler
Arnaud dot Fischer at gmail dot com if anybody is happy to share an invite with me... Thanks so much! - Arnaud Fischer from iPhone
mine is bansode@googlewave.com - Gaurav Bansode
I'm allanpartridge@googlewave.com ... feel free to add me too (boring talking to self) - Brandon
diegomorelli76@googlewave.com - diego morelli
m.furkantunali@googlewave.com - Furkan Tunalı
churchsg - Sally Church
subject.zero@googlewave.com - Danny F Santos
fredcy@googlewave.com - Fred Yankowski
Lots more, cool! :-) - Kol Tregaskes
tapiokulmala@googlewave.com - Tapio Kulmala
george.moga@googlewave.com - George Moga
activescott@googlewave.com - scott willeke
glemak (at) etc... - mike "glemak" dunn
bjmccormick [at] googlewave [dot] com - rotarychainsaw
quantum.yorkie@googlewave.com - Tony C (Unrated)
chacha102@googlewave.com - Tyler (Chacha)
I really don't feel like adding 200 people my my contacts... - Tyler (Chacha)
Well, there are quite a few people already! Mine is catalani.ryan [at googlewave dot com]. - Ryan - @magicofpi
s.velcam02@googlewave.com ;) - Sergio Vela Camacho
nothing@googlewave.com. To everybody: Can some one offer me Wave? - ThinkEzy
I want it too omikheev@gmail.com - Kaspar Minosiants
i am eugenemah@googlewave.com - Imabug
startoestudio@googlewave.com - Martha
omgplzstfukthx@googlewave.com :-D - April Russo
richij@googlewave.com - Richi Jennings
niguel.valley@googlewave.com - Valley
Is there a compiled list of search strings for GoogleWave? It will be very helpful as the number of waves increase in inbox - Wins Fern
gladstone@googlewave.com - Gladstone
@Wins Fern: some of them are presented here: http://smarterware.org/3729... - George Moga
solymos.gellert@googlewave.com bernadett.csajbi@googlewave.com - SoGo
Well, I finally got to surf the Wave experience. Currently drowning. bubbleofneon@googlewave.com - Mark H
Cool, Mark! :-) - Kol Tregaskes
ciropellegrino at gmail.com :) - Ciro Pellegrino
Yes, kevendones@googlewave.com :) - Keven
i'm suezanne at googlewave.com - Sue - Friendfeed is best
logicalextremes@googlewave.com - Tinfoil 2.0
soner.gonul@googlewave.com - ★ Soner Gönül
In case there is still someone with spare invitations: piotr.byzia at gmail.com - Piotr Byzia
walt i tried to add you but it says your address is invalid :( - mike "glemak" dunn
Finally made it on to Wave, add me and say hello - azs.gmu@googlewave.com - Aram Zucker-Scharff
ivanfilios@googlewave.com - Iván Abrego
Terror@googlewave.com Add me! - Yiğit
andyzweb@googlewave.com - Andrew Euell
emrephalanx@googlewave.com - Emre BAHADIR
gardnerscot@googlewave.com - Scot Gardner - Scot Gardner
micahbear78@googlewave.com - MicahBear78
aleahey@gwave.com - Andrew Leahey
rss.ems@googlewave.com - Rıza Selçuk Saydam (RSS)
robertfreeze@googlewave.com - Robert Freeze
fatihkurtoglu@googlewave.com - mfatih
marybaumcreative@googlewave.com -- Thanks, Trish! - Mary B: #TeamMonique
nzbuu1 [at] googlewave [dot] com - James Myatt
I'm mightyfib(at)googlewave(dot)com Please feel free to add me.. :o) - Jeannette Høvring
Thanks, George. The list is getting longer. Wow. - Wins Fern
dannyrowley@googlewave.com - Daniel Rowley
ajkohn2006@googlewave.com - AJ Kohn
voxefx@googlewave.com - Vox
pengwen.not.penguin@googlewave.com - Parvez Halim
bansode AT googlewave DOT com - Gaurav Bansode
Might be worth bumping this post as it's now open to all. - Kol Tregaskes
michaelbernstein.com@googlewave.com - Michael R. Bernstein
Kevin Fox
A Farewell to FriendFeed and Facebook - http://fury.com/2010...
Best of luck to you in whatever new role you find, Kevin! - Stephen Mack
Best of luck to you, Kevin, in your next venture. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
cool! good luck. - .LAG liked that
Good luck in your next adventure! Stay in touch! - Anne Bouey
Good luck! - Tudor Bosman
Good luck, Kevin! - Kol Tregaskes
And have a wonderful vacation in the meantime! - Anne Bouey
Can't *wait* to see what's next -- like, after this summer :) enjoy! - Christopher Galtenberg
Make sure you steal a ton of office supplies before you leave. - Brian Johns
Congratulations and best wishes, Kevin! - Ruchira S. Datta
Best of luck and hope you enjoy your vacation! - Arlan K.
Kevin. WOW. Excited for you. I look forward to keeping up with what you dive into next. Congratulations. :) - Micah
Good luck - Rodfather
Good luck, Kevin! - Mark Trapp
Where's the vacation to? /curiousnotstalkery - Spidra Webster
I wish you the best! Keep us posted! - SAM
Good luck Kevin! Enjoy your vacation, and I look forward to seeing what your next project is! - Louis Simoneau
Big fist bump to you, Kevin. - Derrick
Good luck! - Jennifer Dittrich
Have a great vacation, and best of luck in your future endeavors! - Aaron Draczynski
Thank you everyone! Fist-bump back and I'll still be around on Friendfeed. After all, some day I may need beta testers!!! - Kevin Fox
Best to you Kevin. - Jim: with more caffeine!
Kevin rules. Welcome to free agency. - Louis Gray
All the best and have a great summer break. Don't be a stranger. - AJ Kohn
I could say good luck, but.......Live long and prosper, Mr Fox - Mo Kargas
Much luck to you Kevin and have a ton of fun! :) - April Buchheit
You'll still be ON Friendfeed, right? - April Buchheit
Congratulations, and best wishes! - John Craft
April: He said above, "I'll still be around on Friendfeed." He'd better be! - Stephen Mack
Looking forward to seeing what you do next - Adewale Oshineye
Good luck - Andrew David
Happy Holidays ! - stanjourdan
Ya scared me for a second. Glad you're not leaving FF. Congrats :) - Molly Song ;)
Dream big dreams during your summer holiday.. Good luck! - Vic Ted
Good luck Kevin - good things are coming your way!!! - Martha
Have a great summer vacation. - Joe
Best of luck Kevin, I'm sure we'll see you around - Shey
Hope you have some meaningful downtime. We'll look for you in the next endeavor. - Eric
Kevin, you are such a badass. You will absolutely kill it with anything you put your genius mind to. Give me a heads up when you launch so I can start the first podcast about your new product! ;) Have a great vacation! - Josh Haley
I don't know you anymore. Kevin, you're breaking my heart. I'll never stop loving you, but you are going down a path I can't follow... Because of what you've done . . . what you plan to do. Stop, stop now. Come back! I love you! *waits for Kevin to Force choke him* - Johnny
Wish you the best! - K.D.
Good stuff Kevin - can't wait to see what's next for you. - Hutch Carpenter
Challenges enrich life. I wish you well. - Jack&Cleo
Now you can't threaten that you'll deactivate my account when I steal Stephen's FF identity. Can't wait to see what you do next... - Georgia
He can ask me to deactivate your account when you steal Stephen's identity :) - Tudor Bosman
Tudor's got our back! Love it. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Ah, I knew something was brewing when you posted the "So long, and thanks for the fish" fishbowl message...Well, Good Luck Mr. Fox. You don't know me but, I love your work. Thank you very much. - Space Cowboy
Have a great vacation and don't be a stranger! Best of luck and you know where we are if you need to crowd source for LOLcats :) - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Have a great vacation! Post lots of pics from whatever exciting destination you choose. - Eivind
All good to your travels, where ever you do go in life. :) - Daniel Schildt
Wow, Kevin. Just wow. - DGentry
Best of luck to you Kevin. And congratulations! - AJ Batac
Congrats, Kevin. Have a great vacation and keep us informed! - Mary B: #TeamMonique
I'm looking forward to seeing what you do next, and I hope you have a great summer vacation! - Lani
Jay Rosen
Easily the best thing I've read on the Tea Party http://www.nybooks.com/article... One of the best essays on American politics in years.
That unpacked things really well. Wow, good read. - Micah
Long but well worth reading. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
How do you organize anarchists? You don't of course - WarLord
Paul Buchheit
Finally catching up on yesterday's 300 comment flame-fest. I only posted about my own personal privacy settings, but I was immediately accused of drinking the Kool-Aid, and I believe the words "Nazi" and "pimp" were thrown around as well. This is an incredibly emotional issue, which unfortunately makes rational discussion very difficult.
I suspect that it's actually the issue of control (people aren't confident that they have it) more than privacy that causes so much angst, but I could be wrong. - Paul Buchheit
*wondering what the Kool-Aid Man looks like in a brownshirt and fur hat with a pheasant feather* - Spidra Webster
That's an awesome image Spidra! - Paul Buchheit
This is what happens to alot of the active users, we started turning on each other after the purchase, because there wasn't any new blood to interact with. I think some of us have gotten used to it by now, it happens a few times a week. - NOT THE CRICKET
Both Google and Facebook are asking people to trade privacy for value. Google has simply been smarter about it IMO. They've been *marketing* privacy (catch that 100K/day visits to dashboard post). Whereas Facebook has been marketing feature value - perhaps in hopes of convincing people to exchange that privacy for value. I wrote a bit about this today: http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/have-fa... - AJ Kohn
Paul for all of the irrational name calling, there are many more who admire you and like you. Don't be discouraged. - Shakeel Mahate
Thanks Shakeel. - Paul Buchheit
Privacy is what other people agree not to pass along; Publicity is what they are willing to pass along. - Cliff Gerrish from iPhone
Paul, I have a lot of respect for you and did not make any comments around your words but I am very opposed to the auto-opt-in stance that Facebook is taking. It shows little respect to FB's users. The difference with FF vs FB is that FB started out being a 'private culture'. A site should not switch that mid-stream. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, I don't agree with everything Facebook does either, but that's not what I was posting about :) - Paul Buchheit
Sorry, still worked up about that and didn't see the 300+ topic I guess. ;-) - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
=( - Shevonne
*fist bump* Paul. - Derrick
I think that it is because Facebook made a promise initially to offer a space where people could share privately things with their friends. People are feeling betrayed. Emotions are a lot more powerful then reasoning when it comes to decision making. Aren't you the one who needs to know why a startup is doing what they are doing before investing? In this case, facebook seems to be changing the why/what they believe in. - Edwin Khodabakchian
Paul, I think the people here hold the FriendFeed team in high regard, and you personally. Resorting to name calling is always a bad move, and those who went that direction made the wrong move. I hope you can help your new colleagues make sharp decisions and help them become more transparent - so that we can understand what is currently not understood. - Louis Gray
Not just a chat room over at FB, Increasing Journalism, Political, Bricks and Mortar Interface new territory. - Thomas Page
Edwin, Facebook's mission is to give people the power to share and make the world more open and connected. Although I don't always agree with their methods, I believe that's a good and valuable mission. - Paul Buchheit
@Paul: I think share is understood but open can be scary and connected even more so once people ... connect the dots. - AJ Kohn
That's a good and valuable mission, but they mean open in the sense of "open book" and not "open platform". Furthermore, I get the impression that they're deliberately letting confusion over that distinction remain. - Mr. Gunn
Paul, decent people (which were a majority of voices in that thread I believe) respect you, as do I. I've had some of the most rational, constructive discussions I can recall right here on FriendFeed - you and the team made that possible, and a whole virtual community here knows it. It's also an outlet for passionate expression and I have good friends here because of it. Just wanted to say thanks again. - Micah
I wrote a somewhat confusing blog post about that last year Mr. Gunn: http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2009... - Paul Buchheit
Paul. This is a good mission statement. I was just trying to give you the perspective of the users and what they think the purpose of facebook is. I think that the good news is that there is probably a balance (example: facebook connect is great where the instant personalization is perceived as just a way to make a quick buck - and very damaging to trust). To facebook's credit, although... more... - Edwin Khodabakchian
Paul, that you claim to have no idea what kind of information people might want to post to Facebook but keep private seems like a problem. One clear example that I often think about: a mother who left an abusive partner and now wants to be able to post updates and kid photos etc. but only let approved friends view them, not for example family members of the abuser. Very reasonable, and... more... - Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall, I never said that. It's easy to imagine things that people don't want public (pretty much everything in my email, for starters). What I asked is not for hypotheticals though, but what people here were concerned about personally. I find it's much more informative to get direct concerns rather than concerns that people imagine other people having. - Paul Buchheit
Ok, fair enough, sorry to have mischarecterized this: "I'm curious what everyone here is putting on their fb that is so secret? Maybe I'm doing it wrong. There are certainly things that I don't want out there (like my credit card numbers), but I'm not going to put that on my fb profile." The scenario described above isn't a hypothetical, fwiw, it's exactly where one of my close friends is on Facebook. - Marshall Kirkpatrick
Paul, if I'm worried about certain things becoming public on FB, why would I tell you exactly what I fear becoming public when this is a public thread on FriendFeed and will be on Google in 5 minutes if it isn't already? - Spidra Webster
Spidra, I meant the class of info (e.g. my credit card number), not the specific info (559234325323425). - Paul Buchheit
Paul, you are so pimp and I mean that in the best way possible. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Thanks Alex :) - Paul Buchheit
I like Friendfeed for these kind of discussions. - Ashish
I understand, but some stuff doesn't neatly fall into that category (credit card #, financial details) and even talking about it in general would basically give the game away. I don't think it's a coincidence that most of the folks who take the attitude "there is no such thing as privacy on the internet and you're a sucker for expecting there to be any" are men. Men, as a general category, are not as subject to stalking, domestic violence and rape. - Spidra Webster
Paul, I think you've hit the nail on the head, if only for my own issue with Facebook. I don't mind that there are services that are public: I'm fully aware that my FriendFeed and Twitter profiles are public, and I want them that way. What gets me about Facebook is that, ostensibly, there's some claim Facebook is making that privacy is an important thing, but it's so incredibly... more... - Mark Trapp
Thanks, Paul. And the expiration date? - Bruce Lewis
Being a man, I can't win that debate Spidra. - Paul Buchheit
10/10 I think. - Paul Buchheit
I personally consider facebook to be a private sphere (following people/family that I know enough that I would consider inviting them to my daughters wedding). There are a lot of things that I currently share on facebook that I would not share on twitter. For example, one of my daughters is having a heart surgery on Monday. She is getting a lot of support on facebook and I will use... more... - Edwin Khodabakchian
Mark, part of the problem is that efforts to simplify the privacy controls (which I agree are very complicated) are generally not well received, because it means taking away options. - Paul Buchheit
Edwin, I posted all of my daughter's surgeries on her blog (not that I'm saying everyone should do that). I can understand that not everyone feels comfortable with that, but I'm still curious if there's a specific fear, or just a general discomfort? - Paul Buchheit
My take is that it is not so much privacy that people are upset about (although I'm sure that there are people who are genuinely upset about privacy), but an interrupted feeling of closeness. - Clare Dibble
Paul, maybe it isn't about "winning". Maybe it's about entertaining the idea that some people have different experiences in life. That while you and others may be fine with the wall of the garden being knocked down, others aren't. And those others may have very valid reasons for feeling that way. It's about trying to put yourself in their shoes and imagine what it might be like to be in that position. - Spidra Webster
Paul, I understand that, but there are still things that just seem anti-user, even considering how much pushback you guys get on changing things. A couple of examples: you can't wholesale delete classes of items (like the activity on the wall), you can't prevent activity (like commenting and changing your profile) from appearing on your wall or your friends' newsfeeds, and, if you've been able to find the option to do so, deleting an account takes two weeks to do. - Mark Trapp
You're right, winning is a poor choice of words. What I meant to say was that the statement implied to me that I simply couldn't understand because I'm a man. - Paul Buchheit
I love social media and have participated in it extensively since getting on the 'net. It's not that I don't want to participate. It's that I want to be in control or at least notified AHEAD OF TIME of what is public and what isn't. Facebook keeps moving the goalposts and not being upfront with users about it. They do a piss poor job of communicating with users. They implement new... more... - Spidra Webster
My person view is that I'm very likely to share information publicly but get hesitant when settings are changed without me changing them. I like the concept of Open Social but let me decide that I want to share my Pandora channels with my Facebook friends, not the other way around. The fear is that FB is deciding what info to link together and if you don't pay attention new links will... more... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Hey, Paul, I was just kidding with you about the Kool-Aid thing, man. To lump my light-hearted jest in with 'Nazi' is a bit much and I think you know that. - Akiva
Sorry Akiva. - Paul Buchheit
What I mean is like a group of friends hanging out, cracking inside jokes in a public place when and outsider wanders by and tries to join the fun. Following peoples daily rituals and struggles is a form of intimacy and people literally feel a bit naked in front of the world when that goes to a close group of friends to "everyone". But we have seen communities of strangers become good friends because of it here on friendfeed. - Clare Dibble
Yeah, I think that's a pretty good example Clare. It changes people's behavior when they don't know who is listening. However, once all of your family, co-workers, etc are on there, I feel like a lot of that is already lost because it's such a diverse group. - Paul Buchheit
No social network has gotten the "Circles of friends" piece right yet. There are friends and then there are FRIENDS. Then there are co-workers and CO-WORKERS. Then family, classmates, etc. Each of those grouping a person has a different set of "openness" with. I want a professional image with Co-Workers but maybe be a little more open (passing a NSFW joke) to other sets of friends. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
The controls for privacy (and much of the UI in general) are too byzantine on Facebook. One gets the feeling it's set up like insurance, where you're meant not to get past certain steps. I'm not saying that's how it was designed - just that it feels that way. All that said, people need to take more personal responsibility for what they share online. And there IS reason to be careful. I... more... - AJ Kohn
Using the Pandora example: I may listen to Death Metal and now my HR rep looks me over for a promotion as they now have a new image of me. HR would have never looked at Pandora before this FB linkage. It's a hypothetical but those stories will happen. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Paul, I think you provided a public service yesterday by kindly allowing people to flog you as an effigy for their anger over the Facebook changes. Kind of like being in the wrong place at the right time. - Martha
Not a specific fear. Just a feeling of discomfort. - Edwin Khodabakchian
Mark, if your HR rep overlooks you for promotion based on musical tastes, you should consider looking for a new job. I know that's not practical for everyone, but in general we should fix problems, not hide them. - Paul Buchheit
It would be convenient if no one ever felt any discomfort about sharing personal information with arbitrary people, but I don't think that's likely to be common any time soon. I think people will always be embarrassed about something. That's just the nature of social groups. - Seth
Paul, do you really think there is a place where promotions are not based on what the powers that be think of that person? - Clare Dibble
It was an example but one that can happen. Openness will not fix stereotypes and bias. Many non-web companies and people are not ready for this new world of full transparency. I'm only playing Devil's Advocate btw because I believe in privacy/security first, openness as a feature. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Of course it's an issue Clare, though I expect it's a bigger problem for things like race and gender, which are much harder to hide. - Paul Buchheit
Seth, I suspect some cultures have much more fear and embarrassment than others, and that the difference is driven in part by secrecy. People are embarrassed because they feel uniquely weird/defective. They will feel better if they know they're not alone. - Paul Buchheit
I'm still proud of my bus/taxi metaphor. =) - Andrew C (✔)
Paul, I'm sure there's some of that, but there are lots of other issues tied to the things people choose not to share. For example, if I had an ongoing serious medical issue, I might just not want to get into it with everyone I meet, even if it's not something I'm ashamed of. - Seth
Just so that no legends are created here, here is the actual "Nazi reference", which was specifically NOT raised against either Paul or Facebook, but against the WORDING of some of the arguments: "Chris/Darren, just because 'they did it in a VERY impressive and powerful way' doesn't mean we all have to like it. The same could be said e.g. for the Nazi's taking over Germany. [Later..]... more... - Alex Schleber
Yeah, it's just that the arrival of Nazi's are usually a bad sign for a discussion. - Paul Buchheit
Well, Facebook's 500M users raises the stakes by a good bit. Don't forget, Paul, you're on the inside looking out, we're on the outside looking in. There's no getting around that. - Alex Schleber
Paul, you say: "I suspect some cultures have much more fear and embarrassment than others, and that the difference is driven in part by secrecy. People are embarrassed because they feel uniquely weird/defective. They will feel better if they know they're not alone." --- Now you're really starting to freak me out with this Orwell-Speak. I am dead serious, maybe check for group think every once in a while. - Alex Schleber
What Orwell-Speak Alex? People form support groups for a reason. - Paul Buchheit
Alex, I get the impression that Paul's question isn't about Facebook at all. This is something he's been talking about since before Facebook approached FriendFeed. - Bruce Lewis
Yeah, I'm one of the people who thought Facebook was too closed. - Paul Buchheit
Paul, I thought Facebook was too closed, too. That's why I chose to use networks like Twitter and Friendfeed. I left Facebook for the people who wanted a closed network, because that's of high value to a lot of people. With Facebook abandoning its original vision of a closed network with close control over who you share information with, I'd argue that it's lost the very thing that made it different and valuable. And opening it up hasn't made it more valuable to me, either. - Jandy
One question: it seems that with likes improving both user profile information and metadata around a lot of the fresh/interesting content around the web, Facebook has enough moving parts to, in an aggregate/privacy safe fashion, create a very competitive search solution, one that Google might have trouble competing with because of inferior profile information. Is there a reason why Facebook is so aggressive with regard to privacy? Isn't search the big monetization opportunity? - Edwin Khodabakchian
Fine, that's your right, Paul. But why do all of the other FB users have to be on board? If they wanted super open, they would have been on Friendfeed like the rest of us, no? But people flocked into FB to a large extent because of the "Walled Garden" feel. - Alex Schleber
Edwin, I doubt that you'll believe me, but I contrary to popular opinion, it's not about monetization. - Paul Buchheit
So then what is Zuck's grand ultimate vision, Paul? If you're allowed to say, just tell us. - Alex Schleber
Alex, "to give people the power to share and make the world more open and connected". - Paul Buchheit
I have huge respect for you so I believe you. May be you should have started instant personalization with some non profit organizations and demonstrate the power of more open in a different context. Specially given how much bad rap Yelp has been getting lately. - Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, if it were up to me, that's not the only thing that would be different about instant personalization. - Paul Buchheit
"they will feel better" = Orwell-Speak. And BTW, support groups place an absolute premium on privacy. If you're found out to be divulging details spoken in private within the group, you're likely to be booted. Please, leave the psychology to the psychologists/counselors (and Zuck's bit of undergrad psych that Scoble is so in love with doesn't count either - I'd say he knows just enough to be a little dangerous in terms of sucking people in). - Alex Schleber
"to give people the power to share and make the world more open and connected" --- I thought that's what the entire Web was for?! It would seem he took a rather indirect path to that then, wouldn't you say? - Alex Schleber
Alex, my daughter was in the hospital for three months and we chronicled the entire thing on her blog. Not only did we meet other people as a result, but other people in similar situations said that it really helped to see her story. This isn't theoretical for me, and it's not "Orwell-Speak". - Paul Buchheit
I thought FB was just private enough (before). Again, different tools, different benefits. For example, allowing just everyone to email me on LinkedIn would /reduce/ LI's utility, not increase it... - Andrew C (✔)
Why does he think he needs to "give people the power"? Are we all defective then in his view? - Alex Schleber
Seriously? - Paul Buchheit
Paul, I am very sorry about whatever happened to your daughter, and am glad if you and/or anyone else found comfort in sharing very openly online. But you cannot simply extrapolate from your experience to everyone elses. Therein lies the rub exactly. You persist despite the fact that people on the prior thread were disagreeing with you somewhere around 5:1. - Alex Schleber
How do you mean? - Alex Schleber
Your "we are all defective" line, as though every tool-maker is insulting humanity. Is truth a matter of opinion for you? - Paul Buchheit
People aren't socially broken when they adjust their behaviour and public face to fit certain contexts. I would argue that (within reason) such behaviour is actually well-adjusted. (sorry, I'm catching up in bits and pieces here and my point with this was related to the Pandora/death metal hypothetical.) - Andrew C (✔)
Also, if everyone agreed with me, there would be no point in discussing it :) - Paul Buchheit
Not every toolmaker gives out business cards that read: "I'm CEO, Bitch!" - Alex Schleber
Alex, I think he (Zuck) sees the software as a way to HELP people more easily share and connect. Of course, we can do that without FB (or the internet for that matter), but these tools allow us to do it more efficiently. For example, right now FF is allowing us to engage in a discussion about our FB privacy concerns with Paul. I would say that's incredibly empowering. - Chip Ramsey
Maybe "incredibly" is a bit of a stretch, even though, as we all agreed on above, Friendfeed has been pretty awesome. Facebook is another story... - Alex Schleber
Well, you have access to someone who can make a difference at Facebook. I wonder if the opportunity hasn't been squandered. Paul, do you feel you actually have a better understanding of people's concerns than before you made your initial post? - Chip Ramsey
Not dramatically, but discussing something with a semi-hostile crowd is always somewhat enlightening, often in unexpected ways. - Paul Buchheit
Thanks for taking the time to try to understand Paul - Chris Myles
Flame fest turned into BBQ. Lemonade out of lemons. I like. - Josh Haley
See, the world is good. I love BBQ :) - Paul Buchheit
Semi-hostile = less heated = slow-cook BBQ - Bruce Lewis from fftogo
Paul, FWIW, I know you're a smart guy, and I sincerely hope that you're a good guy too, who would speak up (and maybe even quit) if something at FB became a real problem. Of course for that to happen you first have to recognize it as a problem, so if this discussion sticks in your mind someday in the future, then it will have all been worth it. - Alex Schleber
Alex, I'm sorry if I'm asking you to repeat yourself, but would you mind listing the top few things you think Facebook could do to alleviate your concerns? I know this is an emotional issue for a lot of people, but I think the less emotional and more concise the list, the better it will be. Although there is nothing I can do about FB, I'm working on a business collaboration tool (that... more... - Chip Ramsey
Stepping back, I think that I understand better Paul's passion about making the world more open. I think that there are 2 issues: 1) the perception that facebook is doing this to better profile people and better target them with advertisement. 2) it will take time for people to overcome their "discomfort" of living in the open and it is very important for them to feel in control - right... more... - Edwin Khodabakchian
Paul: You make a lot of good points regarding FB and your personal ideas on privacy. Paradoxically, by trashing privacy, what you and FB are ACTUALLY doing, is making people less transparent, because there's no trust that we can keep private info (or conversations) safe on FB any more. I wouldn't worry though - 99% of users have no idea what FB are doing regarding privacy and you are way too big to suffer. You can (literally) do anything you want. - Jim Connolly
Privacy / control settings should maybe just be a first-order element on the page, not a tab in a settings area. The mechanism should be simple enough to fit in a 100-200px tall box. If home page is a dashboard, then this control panel should be somewhere there, wouldn't you think? - Christopher Galtenberg
(Not do this with all control panel elements, obviously. Just those of first-order importance. FB should want this, to obviate its most prominent achilles heel.) - Christopher Galtenberg
Under Get Connected, a Privacy section with 4-6 simple on/off toggles. Sweetness, problem solved. - Christopher Galtenberg
I am so going on a spending spree with Paul's credit card. First purchase: BBQ for everyone! - Laura Norvig
Chip, I've been writing up some points late-late last night, getting things in order for a future post. As for Paul/Facebook, it seems pretty clear that they've made up their mind, even though their users already told them with Beacon that they didn't want all of this automatic public stuff, thank you. Apparently, that's not what Zuck wanted to hear. - Alex Schleber
...Paradoxically, it is FB's either/or stance on this that's at the heart of the problem: Who says they couldn't keep their users' privacy as protected as possible, while also doing useful/innovative/profitable things with the data? I fundamentally disagree that it is somehow necessary to hand as much data as they are doing off to either FB Apps (that's long been a thorn/nuisance) or now to all sorts of 3rd party sites. - Alex Schleber
I just have to say, OOOH YEAAAAH!!! :-) - Jesse Stay
+1 Sam Wood. - Alex Schleber
Well said, Sam. "Why can't you change the nature of what you want? Glass house and all, it's the ideal, haven't you heard? Why can't you just conform?" Well, dammit, because I don't want to, ok? Do you want me as a user or not? - Christopher Galtenberg
Alex, you wrote to Paul: "You persist despite the fact that people on the prior thread were disagreeing with you somewhere around 5:1." These statistics are flawed. People who disagreed were much more likely to comment. I am not particularly exercised about the issue and have higher priority uses of my time than getting into an argument here. I suspect the same is true of many others. The "5:1" comes from a highly biased sample. My lack of comment should not be taken to mean anything. - Ruchira S. Datta
And we have already given a fair number of specific examples where privacy is still a desired/assumed good. And while Jesse has been busy calling us paranoid (the only ad hominem in the entire debate so far BTW) and that we should assume that anything we put into the Internet to just be public, the reality is that that would simply reduce the number of Internet based services we use SIGNIFICANTLY (online banking, shopping, IM/email, dating, etc.). ... - Alex Schleber
...See, the assumption used to be that if your site is password protected, then the stuff inside is at least a lot more private than the Internet at large. Yes, there can be screw-ups/glitches/what have you, but those AREN'T BY DESIGN. Facebook used to be that way: Without login, you couldn't see much of anything. Without somebody being your friend, you couldn't see much of anything about them. - Alex Schleber
Ruchira: Well, obviously I cannot say anything about a sample that doesn't exist (I was talking about the thread). BTW, your statement that "People who disagreed were much more likely to comment" is merely your opinion. Unless you get some stats to back that up (always question when someone trots out the "silent majority"). And fine, even if it were an even split, are therefore our... more... - Alex Schleber
Here's an idea that could settle things pretty quickly a to user intent: With no equivocation, Facebook could do a forced choice for each user on login: 1) I want everything to be completely private, no one but my friends sees nothing. 2) I want everything to be completely open. 3) I want to muddle through with the detailed settings somewhere in the middle,which will be my responsibiliy. - Alex Schleber
...THAT would be transparent. A fair up or down vote, with no one left out due to misunderstandings. Of course FB/Zuck/Paul et al. will never go for that, given how much they've already finagled past users. - Alex Schleber
FWIW I stopped trying to defend it all in that thread because it became hostile. I'm sure there were others afraid to comment, on both sides, as well. - Jesse Stay
Unsurprisingly, a 300 comment flame-fest erupts from a post about a 300 comment flame-fest. - Carter ♥ JS
Someone needs to create a plugin that when you click on it the Kool-Aid man comes out and says, "OOOH YEAAAAH!" - Jesse Stay
Kind of like the Duck plugin - Jesse Stay
Really this has been remarkably reasonable thread given that the subject matter is charged IMO. No one threatened to delete their Friendeed account yet... :) We know how some of those emo threads on here can go... - Alex Schleber
The Facebook Kool-Aid Man? I.e. Mark Z.? - Alex Schleber
i'm deleting everything everywhere! *stomps off whimpering* - Big Joe Silence
+1 Carter, though I disagree with the "flame-fest" characterization. Paul is thereby making this too easy on himself IMO. - Alex Schleber
I don't think I ever saw Zuck (or any Facebook employee) deleting their Buzz account after their privacy problems ;-) - Jesse Stay
Okay, done flaming... ;-) - Jesse Stay
"to give people the power to share and make the world more open and connected" - Paul, I think if, instead of changing the visibility status of previously posted content to a more public setting, FB had said "going forward, your posts will be more public, but the privacy status of your past posts hasn't changed," users would feel that their 'contract' with FB had been changed without... more... - John Craft
There was rightly a lot of scorn heaped upon Google for that and all the other Buzz screw-ups (one of the key one's being not being Friendfeed :). You're evading, Jesse. - Alex Schleber
Alex, I'm just saying, so long as we're talking about Kool-Aid and pointing to Zuck: http://staynalive.com/article... - Jesse Stay
http://mattmckeon.com/faceboo... <- good timeline, so we have a bit of a basis to discuss from - Alex Schleber
Jesse: Haha, while we're on the subject of distracting from the subject at hand... -> http://www.boingboing.net/2010... - Alex Schleber
"good timeline, so we have a bit of a basis to discuss from" - and for many (all?) of those expansions, a user's awareness was "hey! we just made you more public!" not "in a few days we're going to make you more public." The end result is a loss of trust from FB users who valued the privacy. - John Craft
http://www.boingboing.net/2010... One great thing for Facebook about all of these Facebook privacy angst stories is that, for the first time, these posts get significantly more "Shares"/"Likes"/etc. than Retweets. Usually, as can be seen from Jesse's Chrome OS post above, tech/geek stuff has 65 Retweets and 3 FB Shares... ;) - Alex Schleber
Two great lines sum it up: “Facebook has become more scary than fun”, “If I’m looking for a day care for my 6-year-old, I’m going to put that in my status message, not do a Google search.” http://nyti.ms/bqzmm6 - Christopher Galtenberg
I love how the mainstream press refuses to print danah's name in lower case. Or it just gets copyedited out all the time but that would bother me if I were her. - Laura Norvig
BTW, here is a great tool to verify what Facebook currently really makes public about you, you can see that most everything has already been subsumed into a huge mish-mash of "Likes"... http://zesty.ca/faceboo... and apparently, Hawai'i is now an organization, and Psychology and Philosophy are "Book Genres"...sigh. - Alex Schleber
Wow, just saw that Facebook "disappeared" my work & edu data in the transition...smooth DB work, guys...it will be interesting to see how much data is actually lost in these coming days & weeks. I have pretty recent counts from FB Ads on about 50 keywords, will compare those with the new #s soon and report back. - Alex Schleber
I'd feel a LOT more comfortable if Facebook's misson was "to give people the power to share and the power to be open and connected (when appropriate)", and if the tools backed that up and retained the choices *not* to be more open (when appropriate), instead of "to give people the power to share and make the world more open and connected". That whole *MAKE* thing is just way too tyrannical. - Tinfoil 2.0
@LogEx: Interesting, I hadn't really caught 'make' as a forced connotation but can see how it could be interpreted as such. Would "enable a more open and connected world" be better? - AJ Kohn
Yes, "make" is what FB has been doing at least since November and "enable" would be better, but the flipside should be explicitly stated too... to allow each user to choose where they want to live on the publicity-privacy spectrum is also essential (even moreso for vulnerable populations). In real life, most people have more privacy [read: choice and control] than publicity. Online communities should support that. - Tinfoil 2.0
@LogEx: prezactly! - vicster: full-bodied
Oh, and apparently now FB will stab Farmville in the back too...the nerve...what about the animals... :) http://techcrunch.com/2010... - Alex Schleber
Alex, thank you for the detailed response. I think your suggestion for a simplified three level system is reasonable. I was leaning towards a similar approach as well – settings that are very easy to explain and should rarely (if ever) need to be changed. Although, things get tricky when you're trying to implement an API that provides useful functionality to the third-party apps users choose to authorize. - Chip Ramsey
It seems to me that the only way to keep API access simple (and useful) is to tell the user that they shouldn't authorize any application they don't want to have full access to their information. In my opinion, expecting users to manage privacy settings on a per application basis is asking too much. Also, allowing customized settings per user and application makes life much more difficult on application developers and probably renders a whole class of collaborative applications useless. - Chip Ramsey
^^ I'm talking about my own experiences designing an app BTW. Not trying to get everyone riled up again. - Chip Ramsey
Inspired by this discussion, I have a FB feature request: Facebook Embarrassing Trends, a list of text strings updated hourly. These would be text strings that appeared in a high percentage of Facebook updates that were explicitly made private recently. "Photos from last night's drunken revel" for example. The data would be aggregated, so it wouldn't embarrass any individual. But we'd learn something about ourselves as a society. - Larry Hosken
Another real example of unintended consequences even only social graphs (i.e. friends lists): http://www.boston.com/bostong... And in case Jesse or anyone else wants to say something like: "Well, you shouldn't want to keep that private anyway" --- this is NOT a discussion over whether anyone anywhere has legitimate privacy wishes, about their sexual orientation or anything else. - Alex Schleber
...Which BTW still can have immediate real world consequences for members of the U.S. military as you well know. Also, here's this: http://www.binint.com/2010... - Alex Schleber
Chip, that's the thing, if you asked any users straight up whether anything should be loosened up for the particular delight/easement/practicality of any third-party apps (or even FB itself for that matter), you know the answer is extremely likely to be a resounding NO. Given that, if you are changing things in the background, largely in the fine-print so to speak, just don't delude yourself that it's not sneaky. - Alex Schleber
Also, is Louis Gray paranoid too here? -> http://www.google.com/buzz... "Facebook has added many FriendFeed-like features, but they have also acted in a way that makes me uncomfortable in terms of changing the rules of privacy in the middle of the game, while also locking away other pieces of content that should, in my... more... - Alex Schleber
Chip, interesting that WIRED just said about the same thing as I did: "Facebook could start with a very simple page of choices: I’m a private person, I like sharing some things, I like living my life in public. Each of those would have different settings for the myriad of choices, and all of those users could then later dive into the control panel to tweak their choices. That would be... more... - Alex Schleber
Here is an interesting post from Jeff Jarvis on the subject: http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010... - Edwin Khodabakchian
Here is an interesting visualization which showcases the perception problem facebook is having of pushing too aggressively users towards public http://mattmckeon.com/faceboo... - Edwin Khodabakchian
OK, so Scoble, after initially being somewhat reserved about the consequences of Facebook's actions, is now 110% on board it seems, spying on people's odd musical tastes on Pandora was just too much to resist I guess... -> http://scobleizer.com/2010... - Alex Schleber
Thanks for the discussion, (gg Alex, Edwin you held for some good points) I enjoyed those two threads a lot. If anyone wanted to know what I think: I share a lot, web pages, thoughts, etc. And any private stuff, I keep in my head for now as it's lot more work openly. We'll see with examples in the future. Got a theory on private stuff: Unless it's data like address or financial details... more... - Zu from AOD
hunter walk
In 1997 William Shatner asked to be paid in Priceline stock for his ads. Now worth $600 million. http://www.torontosun.com/enterta...
Whoa..... - Roberto Bonini
What...are you talking...about? - Derrick
Are your people... familiar with the concept.... of money? - Kevin Fox
LOL Kevin ;) - Clare Dibble
ROFL - Roberto Bonini from iPhone
whoa - Vezquex
I wonder whether Whoopi Goldberg got paid in Flooz equity (or just got paid in Flooz)? - Kevin Fox
Wow, Priceline has a $10B market cap! I had no idea. - Paul Buchheit
+Kevin :) - Private Sanjeev
"After starring in the iconic role of Captain Kirk on Star Trek in the late ’60s, he later could find no work and lived in a truck he’d park on the street in the San Fernando Valley area of L.A. He earned food and gas money by making party appearances." - Private Sanjeev
edythe
The La Cañada Flintridge "Station fire" as viewed from Mulholland Drive in Los Angeles. Most of the brush has not burned in 60 years. on Flickr - Photo Sharing! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
The La Cañada Flintridge "Station fire" as viewed from Mulholland Drive in Los Angeles. Most of the brush has not burned in 60 years. on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Holy crap. - Mona Nomura
That's frightening! - Anne Bouey
yeah. - edythe
ah, thank you, mwm! - edythe
:) you are welcome, miss ;) - Michael W. May
Very sad, I used to live near there. - Mike Reynolds
That's why I was coughing. - Derrick
Incredible picture. Thanks Polly for sharing this. Reminds me of hikes in the hills of LA. - Mitchell Tsai
Meanwhile, the rain they need in Cali is up here around Seattle, sprinkling stingily... :( - Dennis Jernberg
Scary, amazing picture! - Kurt Starnes
pretty cool photo - collins
Steven Perez
How Hot Would The Earth Have To Get Before It Would Be Unlivable? - Posthumanity - io9 - http://io9.com/5530935...
How Hot Would The Earth Have To Get Before It Would Be Unlivable? - Posthumanity - io9
"If global temperatures rise just 21 degrees Fahrenheit, half of humanity will be cooked. A recent study shows that the planet doesn't have to warm up very much before it becomes unlivable. And the death blow comes from humidity." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
What Geoff said. It takes only a small temperature rise to screw with resources such that a significant portion of humanity dies from starvation and thirst. Another huge portion from the wars over resources (particularly water). - Spidra Webster
Yep. A few degrees C increase would pretty well wipe out the water sources between San Diego and San Antonio. Hell, right now, the Colorado is strained to the limit. - Steven Perez
I'm guessing as certain places become unlivable the migration becomes diaspora become war - WarLord
That already occurs - Mo Kargas
Bret Taylor
The Twitter Engineering Blog: Introducing FlockDB - http://engineering.twitter.com/2010...
The Twitter Engineering Blog: Introducing FlockDB
Louis Gray
10 Reasons To Delete Your Facebook Account - http://www.businessinsider.com/10-reas...
The momentum behind people deleting their Facebook account continues to grow. I've never seen so many people choose this option after other changes at the network. - Louis Gray
Quite happy that i don't even have a FB account. - Roberto Bonini
I only need one reason - privacy - Sally Church
Sally: +1 - Jim Connolly
Like I keep trying to tell you, Louis, living in public is for you social media experts, not for real people. ;) - Dawn
Argh. Dawn just called me an SME! Blocked! :) - Louis Gray
there's nothing in my facebook account that i would not put also on twitter or friendfeed, except the audience there would be less interested. i just wish Zynga would stop emailing me - i never said ok. - Iphigenie
Agree with Joelle. - Ashalynd from fftogo
Okay, Louis, you're a social media dunce. Does that win you back? :) - Dawn
Yes, we're good now, Dawn. Thanks! - Louis Gray
I'm just there for the games ;) - WarLord
I'm there for the poking - sofarsoShawn from iPhone
Another reason for people to focus on their blog/build their own community vs a social network.. my 2cents - Wayne Sutton
Don't put anything on FB you wouldn't post on a bilboard outside your mom's church ;) - WarLord
I wonder what the other 99.9999% of people who don't care think. - Johnny
+1 Johnny. These are the same people that scream out when 0.01% of Toyotas had recall issues, yet they called out for outright revolt and protest of the purchase of Toyota vehicles. Frustrating. They all need a "jump to conclusions" mat. - Nathan Chase
umm but the brakes failed and people died and FB is being deceptive so is it jumping to conclusions or are the people not concerned clueless - WarLord
Give me the skinny on what has changed. In terms I can explain to my mum. - Johnny
I simply dont like to use a site that makes its privacy settings so opaque. There being multiple layers of privacy settings isnt userfriendly for novices, either. I've not deleted, but I've stripped it down, and have walked famiy and friends through doing the same. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
"Hey, I only killed 6 people!! There are billions of people in the world I didn't kill. And 99.999999% of people don't care at all what I did, anyway. So why are you getting so mad at me? You're the one with the problem. Geez." - Dawn
There is a difference between responsibly reporting the deaths of 6 people and the mass hysteria THE SKY IS FALLING which I see the author of this post trying to whip up. - Johnny
But, still, if I don't change my account settings, what am I exposing myself too? Facts, not scare-mongering - Johnny
Johnny basically everything you said could be viewed by EVERYONE (including applications, public search engines and websites) can be passed to websites and stored forever, just like they already detailed back in Nov (http://www.eff.org/deeplin...). - Chris Myles
I just wonder why people are up in arms that people that are your friends (designated by you) have the ability to see what music you like at someplace other than Facebook (like Pandora). Why does this bother you? You wrote or chose to signify your taste for this music, and to share that with others. What benefit do you receive when sharing that information within a closed wall? You might as well tell your cat you like U2. You'll get the same level of reaction. - Nathan Chase
You're right my cat doesn't care about my music, my dog OTOH... - WarLord
Yeah, they've added some power and usefulness to those EVERYONE settings and now they says the sky is falling. You don't have to click like or even use facebook .. I'm excited to see what developers come up with. - Chris Myles
Personally, I have no problem at all with my information becoming public. But I'm really unusual that way, and I definitely expect the trend to continue. The reason I'm considering going away from facebook is the game and advertisement plague... but that would only be curable by an administrator- and corporate- free social network, and nobody has invented the technology to make that work just yet. - Nathaniel Thurston
Leo LaPorte has some great conversations around this issue on last week's TWiG and TWiT casts. I've seriously cut back my sharing of stuff on FB after listening to those shows; my profile is nearly empty now. - Jim: with more caffeine!
why do you join a *social* network to be private? that's my question... - Nathan Chase
Amber, you can still tell your friends in a non-Public post just don't press the public like button! - Chris Myles
Why do "Privacy is dead" variants get run up the flag pole every time criticism is focused on the use or misuse of information. I'm sure Gizmodo will be happy when the mantra levels up to "property title is dead", but until then my fire hose is pointed at the privacy flames. - Micah
If someone wants to display that I read a magazine on a billboard, that's pretty cool! Where do I sign up for that service? - Nathan Chase
@Blu T - No. If I were in those situations, I would stay off social networks in the first place. - Nathan Chase
Nathan, I'm glad we still live in free enough society where you can choose to have that level of publicity *if you want it*. What many of those of us who are concerned are lamenting is the forced removal of choices at the other end of the spectrum. - Tinfoil 2.0
The best privacy setting of all is yourself. Period. - Martha
Martha - yes! - Nathan Chase
True, but it's kind of sad that due to the monopoly Facebook has on the regular people social graph, you have to choose to not participate if you don't want to live in Facebook's glass house, rather than Facebook simply continue offer real choice for users who may need or want it. - Tinfoil 2.0
Still, no one has claimed what exactly they're needing to keep private and why. The only instance I've heard that made sense were because of the ignorance of outside groups (insurance companies claiming change of conditions based on inaccurate Facebook photographic "evidence" and teachers who are unable to post anything that's outside of the undocumented scope of "decency" dictated at random by school boards) - I still contend, that in both of these instances, you'd be wise to not take part. - Nathan Chase
Social graph itself can be sensitive... that's exactly why Google Buzz had such an uproar upon launch. Note though that at least they fixed it very quickly. Pages and "Connections" can also be quite sensitive. - Tinfoil 2.0
Amber, Tomorrow is tomorrow.. I follow the Site Governance board http://www.facebook.com/fbsiteg... and when I get uncomfortable I'll leave. To date I haven't found anything that hasn't been made public without my knowledge. Now you can even use the new API to check your settings http://zesty.ca/facebook/. - Chris Myles
I'm not gonna try to convince anyone to stay on FB. If you wanna go, go. I used the zesty.ca app to check what's public for me and TBH I'm quite OK with it. - LANjackal
...checking out the zesty.ca app. Useful - .LAG liked that
zesty.ca shows nothing for me, empty or error on every set - dont think i can rely on that - Iphigenie
Joelle: Basically everything under "metadata" is private (except maybe your picture, if it shows up). Zesty's useful but it's also irresponsible in that there's not much indication of what the results mean - LANjackal
Between the farms and the mafia wars and the "top news"......It's called TRUSTING someone/company too much - Deleted
FriendFeed has a strong case to make for being an open network that doesn't violate any privacy (because it doesn't collect personal data). But there's an issue about its new owners... Argh. - Christopher Galtenberg
Isn't "socializing" the core idea behind "social networking"? In that sense, sharing personal information on any platform like Facebook is a significant part of it (regardless of the fact whether you are a real person or just an avatar) . The ethical policy of Facebook is surely a subject to discuss, but I don't capture how and why 'sharing information via a public profile' is becoming a part of this discussion, since this is all about how social networking itself is evolving. - özge
The whole question is: can a user define a permanent and inviolable set of private data on an otherwise public and open/social network? - Christopher Galtenberg
permanent and inviolable *forever* .. No! but a user must be notified when changes are made and it's up to them to decide if the value/benefit is worth more than the effort required to keep up with those changes! ex: assuming everything will someday be public (and sharing appropriately) is easier than monitoring/testing each release and reading every dialog to understand what is happening (which I do). - Chris Myles
Well Chris M, Facebook is doing that, and it's not good enough. So actually 'forever', yes, that too. If, in the future, I have to upload my genetic profile to my doctor's office, which only uses the internet, 'forever' has to be there. - Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, I agree but I think this is something different. Your terms of service with a Doctors office include VERY strict LAWS about security of private personal information and it's availability, facebook does not!! .. if those rules are "not good enough" for you personally than you shouldn't use the service! - Chris Myles
I don't disagree. But then we agree we have to rely on legislation, and that terms of service are inadequate means to protect anything? - Christopher Galtenberg
I disagree that we have to rely on legislation, but we do need to take personal responsibility for our actions and understand how we can/will be notified of changes when they occur. See Amendments http://www.facebook.com/terms.... How many users are fans of the Site Governance Page (http://www.facebook.com/fbsiteg...) 1.5 M? How many users read the notifications dialogs that they... more... - Chris Myles
iANAL, but there seems growing case law supporting Privacy Policies and TOS as binding. See: http://www.concurringopinions.com/archive... & http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3... Facebook has certainly built itself up based on promises of privacy and control, but real choice and control steadily is degraded and obfuscated. - Tinfoil 2.0
Chris M, I'm not sure what internet you're using, but I really admire the users on it. I really watch this stuff closely, but *even I* am not a fan of Site Governance Page. I wish my internet had users (including myself) that had the intelligence and wherewithal to deal with every whim that Crazy Mark spins up this month. - Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, I just joined! I only found out about it after researching your statements about TOS (I can't stand on my personal responsibility soapbox if I don't).. I'm learning too. Obviously there will be a lot less users dealing with Crazy Mark after this, if my social graph is any indication! - Chris Myles
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