Welcome Baby Ryan!!! My baby Ryan (17 years!) and I are honored to welcome another superstar to our planet! Love, hugs, and lots of kisses to Baby Ryan, Mommy Maryam, Dad Robert and big brothers Milan & Patrick and of course Grandma!!! My guess on Ryan's arrival (predication) was only 23 hours off. I thought he would arrive on Friday, Sept. 18th at 11:45 pm. Love to all, Kelly & Ryan Kim
- Kelly S. Kim
What a moment, eh? I remember when my daughter came into this world, it was so exciting there were no words for it. Congrats on your wonderful baby boy!
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
Congratulations! Welcome to the world, Ryan. :-)
- Yvette Ferry
Congratulations Robert and Maryam! And welcome Ryan. If I was having a baby today, I'd begin a blog for him/her straight away as an online diary they could look back on when grown up.
- Sandra Large
الهــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــی چقده ناز نازیه.اینو فارسی نوشتم مریم جان بخونن ....راستی به باباش که نرفته:)) خوشگلتره:)) پس به شما رفته
- joupy
I was a c-section six week preemie in an era when that was seriously life-threatening, they didn't know if I would make for the first week. It always gets me a see a c-section / preemie come howling into the world. Welcome, little guy!
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
from iPhone
Beautiful baby! Congratulations daddy man :)
- Gary
:) Congrats Robert... best wishes to your family! Get her name in twitter and ff!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
Right ON! I am so happy for you. I have 4 kids of my own and they are my greatest joys. Take care and I hope all goes so smooth for him and mom.
- Robert Anderson
Congrats! I wish a long and healthy life.
- Muammer Okumuş
Robert, you newest addition is too freaking adorable. I hope you and Maryam are doing well. Congratulations! Here's to a long, prosperous future!
- Mike Nayyar
They have me waiting outside while they prepare to surgically deliver Ryan Soroush Scoble. His life should start within minutes. I wonder what he will be like? What technologies will he see in his lifetime?
- Robert Scoble
from email
Jesse, I have been one of Dave's principal allies since those early days. He calls TechCrunch names, he's calling me names.
- Steve Gillmor
like I said Dave, when you say something, stick with it or look like you're faking it
- Steve Gillmor
I don't want to fight with you Steve. I don't want to fight with anyone -- I just want to write code and work with other developers and users.
- Dave Winer
Fwd: 3,000-year-old Michael Jackson statue? "This Egyptian bust has become a popular attraction at Chicago's Field Museum because it's a spitting image of Michael Jackson, complete with a tweaked nose. It was carved between 1550-1050 BCE and depicts a woman." - http://www.boingboing.net/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/philbau...)
Twitter heading off editorial cliff? (Scripting News). The choices that Twitter has made editorially are wrong and very poor. Sigh. - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
Isn't it the responsibility of an individual who they follow? It was my assumption from the start that the SUL is biased and effectively worthless to me.
- SawyerTraining, Inc.
Interesting. I hadn't considered the potentially insidious effect the Suggested Users List could have.
- Teri Gidwitz
Great post and i really liked the link to professional poker and Twitter.
- John Ford
This was an excellent post and Dave is 100% correct - The SUL is total bullshit!
- Jim Connolly
Wow. I guess I didn't realize the extent of this situation. Great post by Dave - very eye-opening.
- Curt Mercadante
Refinement of the system by which it is determined who follows whom could represent the next great leap forward for social networking. As this SUL issue exemplifies, there's a ton of inefficiency in how these choices get made. The SUL will soon give way to subtler, more intelligent ways of sparking connections. The paradigm of each person having static, manually managed list of...
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- Joshua Maurice
the biggest challenge here is understanding that Twitter is turning into an editor/publisher; not just a provider. could be a slippery slope.
- MikeAmundsen
You can see the sense in having a SUL -- some people get on Twitter and have no idea whom to follow. Maybe they'll follow no one and join the large percentage of users who never come back after signing up. So giving some recommendations helps people get involved. But it seems like just about the bluntest possible instrument for achieving that end.
- Joshua Maurice
The SUL as it stands isn't all that useful. It would be more useful (to users) to have one based on a friend-of-a-friend type of algorithm.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
The SUL is, sadly, not based on quality - It's based (according to Biz and Ev) on people they 'just happen' to like.
- Jim Connolly
Wait a second, did I read that right? The people on the SUL are working in concert with Twitter to follow a code of conduct that Twitter approves of in order to be selected and remain on the SUL? WTF? I thought it was just a list of random people they thought would be interesting to new users. If commerce is involved as an end result doesn't this violate some laws too? Doesn't this also effect Twitter's Safe Harbor?
- Adam Turetzky
Adam: I was kept off the SUL because I talk about friendfeed too much.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds like bitter grapes from W(h)iner. Steven Johnson was put on the SUL and says he was surprised to have been selected. And Robert we know you don't really care because as you've said so many times it's not how many people follow you that counts it's how many *you* follow, right?
- Sprague D
I'm not opposed to the SUL, but I think Twitter should be more transparent about how users are selected and they should probably be selected through a lottery system.
- Peter Warnock
I think John (dendroica) is onto something with the "friend-of-a-friend type of algorithm." Let's try to keep the focus on this constructive question of how to advance social networks to the next level. We seem to be on the verge of being able to integrate semantically annotated content (the "what" of social networks) with the metadata about who, where, and when, and using all these to...
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- Joshua Maurice
Currently the SUL is a list, the next iteration will be a directory and later on natural and sponsored lists generated from keywords will be available to help new users start their Twitter experience, the ideal will be that the lists are ranked by quality but since this is difficult due to the number of profiles we will settle on popularity... sigh
- Alberto Saavedra
Sprague: the number of followers does matter to many in society, as this post points out. By the way, why do you think I say that who you follow matters so much? Because your input will affect your output which will get you more followers. But my point is that you can either get followers by gaming the system (or having it gamed on your behalf like with the SUL) or you can get it by...
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- Robert Scoble
The whole idea of having some people you follow, and others you don't follow, will appear crude very soon -- I will want to see SOME data emanating from even the most "boring" people, and will want to filter out SOME data emanating from even the most interesting people.
- Joshua Maurice
[deleting my own comment after regretting useless snarkiness]
- Fred Yankowski
Seems a tempest in a teapot to me. Most don't even know the SUL is there. And others, like me, make a point of ignoring such lists assuming they'll be fluff and because they specifically don't want to read what everyone else is reading. Many websites routinely post Best Of lists and no one insists they divulge their editorial thinking or hints at dark conspiracies because they do so. So why the hubbub? (Unless of course, they get paid by those being ranked. Then, yes, absolutely, it should be made public.)
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Bob: the problem is that the SUL has artificially raised people's follower numbers. For instance, I've always had more followers on all social networks than TechCrunch. Including on Twitter. But when that account got added to the list it went from about 50,000 followers and today has more than 700,000 followers while I went from about 60,000 to about 95,000 today. So if you are a business that relies on audience (and you could say that about me) you are at a HUGE disadvantage if you aren't on the list.
- Robert Scoble
I posted a comment on a TC article they wrote about twitter asking if the fact they are SUL does that influence the way they report about the company. My comment was promptly moderated into non-existence :0
- David Lloyd
Wish all these threads had ajax or something and I could drag them around in the order I want them. Make it happen please Robert!
- David Lloyd
Mark: exactly. The SUL is a huge gift to media companies and certain people and they all know it and many have even changed the way they deal with Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
When twitter grows exponentially some of these accounts are gonna have 5 or 10 million followers. That's a lot of $'s of value.
- David Lloyd
ive said all along that certain blogs are able to pay at least one writers salary on the SUL bonus
- Allen Stern
For me I guess it's a transparency issue. I don't care about getting on the SUL (I'm not that interesting), but I'd like to know what people and companies are doing to try and get on the list.
- Eoghann Irving
Egohann: lots of people I know want to be on the list. I've heard that if you beg to get on the list, though, that you'll be blacklisted. I wonder how long it'll be before someone creates an account specifically to try to get onto the list.
- Robert Scoble
"Sooner or later someone who they propelled to the top will do something bad." Dave Winer, 21 June 2009
- David Lloyd
I guess the concern is will people start doing "favors" to get on Twitter's SUL? Since there's no defined way to get on the list, it would be very easy to abuse that. You could end up with a lobbyist system almost.
- Eoghann Irving
how does SUL figure into monetization of Twitter? both for Twitter owners and SUL account-holders? when money is linked to the SUL, how does that affect the content of those on the SUL? could you lose your place based on your content? does losing your place remove all your followers? does the content of SUL-ies get preferential search status? added reach outside Twitter? do these values go away if a SUL-ie is bumped off?
- MikeAmundsen
Mike: no one knows because the SUL is totally at the whim of Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: if a SUL-ie pulls lots of followers, then is removed, i doubt the followers disappear. from my POV, this is another example of @Biz and @Ev not quite thinking through the implications of what they are doing. i admire their success. i'm happy for them. however, i think, as Dave implies, this is gonna turn ugly at some point. and i think Twitter may turn out looking bad in the process.
- MikeAmundsen
mike they dont get removed - when i brought twitter the cupcakes to get on the list - i was told justine was removed yet she keeps her 500,000 followers
- Allen Stern
plz understand that twitter is a marketing network, period.
- Allen Stern
Twitter is used for marketing, but I don't think it's just a marketing network. There are a lot of people using it without any commercial interests at all.
- Eoghann Irving
How do you apply editorial standards to something that lets you post things like: "I'm out of sugar" or "My toothbrush just fell in the toilet"? I think that we sometimes expect too much from social media sites..
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
@Allen: yep - totally makes sense. now i imagine some future scenario where someone on the SUL starts saying really bad things about Twitter (or anything else Twitter-folks care about). Ev/Biz can pull them, but they've already created a monster; can't put the toothpaste back in the tube; etc w/ the cliches. now multiply this by the number of folks on the list and that's millions of bad news threads in the blog-o-sphere.
- MikeAmundsen
Mike - I call this "keeping the top on top" and Twitter isn't alone with this problem...
- Allen Stern