Amit: I have a limited resource of my attention. I push it to places that the most geeks hang out and that has the best chance for future success. FriendFeed has an uncertain future now and it'll be a few more weeks until I know for sure what Facebook is doing with the team.
- Robert Scoble
My question, Robert, if you don't like FF then why are you sending your streams here? I liked you, but not if you keep saying bad things about FF and trying to scare people away from it. Sorry.
- Molly Song ;)
you could ruin the entire current experience contacts learning etc by worrying about a future that will or won't get here with or without your anxiety
- WarLord
Amit: That was pretty close to what I was thinking.
- Simon Hicks
Molly: FriendFeed is an aggregator and I still show up here every day. But anyone who says they know the future of FriendFeed or hasn't noticed that engagement has gone way down here (especially among geeks) isn't paying attention. That doesn't mean it's not a valuable service, by the way. But it's clear that the market is now Facebook and Twitter so I'm pushing a lot more attention there to hedge my bets. That seems to be smart.
- Robert Scoble
Even if no one is here, the aggregator has great value. Why? Because Twitter search sucks and FriendFeed's search lets me look back a lot further than Twitter search does.
- Robert Scoble
i'm goin' down with the ship! FF4LIFE
- Chris Heath
Even this post demonstrates far lower engagement. A month ago this post would have gotten 150 comments already from people arguing with me.
- Robert Scoble
Face it - we're all addicts and we'll still be on until it's taken from us
- Jesse Stay
so then is the question where did those 150 commenters go?
- WarLord
FF definitely has a place and can do things that Twitter can't - like >140 characters for a start.
- Simon Hicks
1. I ain't adding anyone I interact with to Facebook!!! 2. Twitter sucks for multiple participants interaction.
- Amit Morson
Jesse: I am an addict, but I do need to hang out where the conversation is happening too. This is both my life and my business.
- Robert Scoble
robert, maybe people have given up on arguing with you .. hm?
- Chris Heath
Amit: I agree that FriendFeed still has many advantages, which is why I'm still here.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: not true. You miss that my Saturday night post got 30,000 visits already? The conversation has moved onto other platforms.
- Robert Scoble
yeah, but people on FF have given up arguing with you is what i meant... (in general of course, i know some still do)
- Chris Heath
Robert, I believe the lower engagement is due to it being a weekend.
- Amit Morson
Chris: I'm watching other people's accounts on FriendFeed and it's not just mine that have seen far lower engagement.
- Robert Scoble
i'll agree that engagement (if you want to call it that) has gone down (some) but i'd say it's less than you think - of course FB buying FF will drive away whatever % of the users who are anti-FB - that's something i take as fact, but that % is smaller than you think....
- Chris Heath
I guess I'm goin' down with the ship as well ;-)
- Amit Morson
what i'd really like to see is some hard numbers from the ff-team on user activity since the sale [edit: also do you know when they started live updating the comment edits here? i think i've only noticed it in the last week or so]
- Chris Heath
I guess I just don't have any 'chips' in the social media 'game' so I don't have to be on the bleeding edge. I'm here for the social aspect of FF that has been built, not necessarily the exposure/reach.
- Johnny
It's funny when you hear that Johnny isn't here to expose himself!
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Johnny, and still you expose yourself more than most ;-p
- Amit Morson
Chris: that was added a couple of months ago. Compete and other services will have data out soon. Keep in mind I've gotten 2,000 new followers since Facebook bought FriendFeed but they definitely aren't coming back very often. Johnny: my whole life I've looked at where early adopters spend their time. We all used to be on Prodigy, for instance, and now aren't anymore. :-)
- Robert Scoble
WoH... court order, you know... 'Unpleasantness'
- Johnny
I understand Robert's position 100%. Not even the FF team has a crystal ball. Yet, I still like the tools and search and the people here, so my usage hasn't changed much and probably won't.
- Louis Gray
I think it's the difference between a 'place' and a 'tool'.
- Johnny
Magnus: it can't be built in. FriendFeed wasn't designed to survive loads of hundreds of millions of people. So if the features here are to be moved into Facebook they will need to be rewritten. I also doubt that FriendFeed will be turned off, but I am looking forward to when we hear exactly what will be done with it.
- Robert Scoble
Gawd... look, just 'That's What She Said' all my comments on this thread...
- Johnny
Robert, there's a gestation period for friendfeed... the discrepancy between when you join and when you being to 'engage' -- it was brought to my attention tonight in one of leo laporte's entries http://friendfeed.com/leolapo... -- in the comments people wondered why the tool wasn't giving their join date and instead their first post...
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- Chris Heath
Louis: I've cut my usage down from "on FriendFeed every minute of every day" to merely your level. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Chris, what does not having the join date mean? Does it mean that the count starts only from your first interaction?
- Amit Morson
Amit, i believe so... the developer commented in leo's thread
- Chris Heath
In that case it's more of a social interaction tool than an aggregator. But than, everyone who spend time here knows that.
- Amit Morson
Doesn't Facebook owning FriendFeed guarantee it's stay more? (Even the FriendFeed guys stated that it's more guaranteed to stay now)
- Hugh Isaacs II
from iPod
Hugh: yes, but it doesn't guarantee that the team will be left on it to improve it. And no new features will mean that it will become less and less relevant. Market conversations only happen due to new features.
- Robert Scoble
And, anyway, the Facebook iPhone app already shows that Facebook is headed in a good direction and one that will make FriendFeed unneeded within 18 months.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, maybe FB will give them 20% time or something... maybe that's in the deal... lots of maybes... i get your point that we need to know more
- Chris Heath
Chris: I will stay on top of FriendFeed. I have a 48,000 reasons to care about its future! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Simon, interesting leveraging of FF - nice!
- Micah
Thanks for all the info scoble! u rock!
- Jason Pollock
Allocating attention seems a bit of an odd concept. If something was the best tool, and it was going away in 7 days, it still makes sense to use it for 6 days.
- Christopher Galtenberg
this is sounding like a pitch to save the jobs of the ff team - which i am for. They've done a great job so far.
- Simon Hicks
We all appreciate all the guidance which u graciously share with us... thanks again!
- Jason Pollock
Micah: Thanks. It is a very flexible tool.
- Simon Hicks
Simon, It's not a pitch to save the jobs, It's a pitch to save the service and keep it evolving.
- Amit Morson
Robert, you're great at stirring the pot! Breaking out the popcorn for this episode ;)
- Shane
Christopher: not true. If you are building a media business you need to dedicate your efforts to places that will continue to get distribution. Would you rather take a job at a big TV station that's going out of business in a week or one that will stick around for a few more years?
- Robert Scoble
allocation of attention is merely dealing the the currency of time rather than strictly in monetary transactions as economics so frequently is wrongly limited to examining.
- Nathan Eckenrode
Or, another way to look at it. Let's say that you want to talk with people who are into quilting. You have a choice. One place has 50 quilting fans and keeps losing fans. Another place has 5,000 fans and keeps growing. Where do YOU spend your time?
- Robert Scoble
Chris: Good stuff. See, the ff crowd have done a great job providing a great "home away from home" tool.
- Simon Hicks
Robert, it's true, though by how it seems now, only the Facebook haters (and not all of those) left FF. Most people stay here particularly because they don't see it as an investment like you do.
- Amit Morson
Putting aside FF a moment, it's been interesting to see the (rudimentary) stat of usage of my translation script (http://translatorize.com ) between Facebook and Twitter. To date: Facebook has more activity. Obviously, FB has the big pot of users, but I would have thought the geekier twitter crowd would have compensated for that considering it's a tool, not a general interest, consumer addon. Anyway, thought I'd share.
- Micah
I was thinking about it tonight b/c Google announced more languages were added to Google Translate, so I need to update all the scripts.
- Micah
Amit: one reason I travel the world and actually meet with people is to gauge what they are excited about. And I can tell you a LOT MORE than just Facebook haters have left here. Most of the geeks I hang out with say they definitely are visiting FriendFeed less.
- Robert Scoble
3 years from now, FF is going to be alive and running and sporting cool features. So this seems to be about something else. Where the bleeding edge is residing, perhaps. Or maybe just where Robert's friends are spending time. I'm not bleeding edge. I'm looking forward to the days in the future when there are people still here sharing, both old timers and new fresh users. Which is also today.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher: some people still use AOL too. So? I like to be with the geeks and will allocate my time based on where they are and where I think they may be.
- Robert Scoble
So the question is: Where are all the geeks now? Facebook?
- Winston Teo
i'm back from cook out... with a full belly and i'm gonna watch some simpsons... talk amongst yourselves
- Chris Heath
Just half a geek compared to some of y'all, but still here and Twitter. I still have a hard time wanting to "invest" in Facebook. There is no conversation there. This is conversation.
- Karma Martell
What I want to know is what will you 'Geeks' do when Google Wave launches?
- Technogran
I'm not sure FF has ever been the front-line or redoubt for geeks. I thought we were here because this technology and place is simply special -- it fills a big gap and provides a service. The cool kids have always been elsewhere. To paraphrase one tech guru's recent comment... "So?"
- Christopher Galtenberg
Most of the people who signed up for FriendFeed are geeks.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Let us know when you find a better forum to spread your wings
- Houseofmax
Other than twitter/facebook, where do you plan to "invest your time"?
- timepilot
The FF integration with FB is excellent -- my whole news feed on FB comes from FF, and my friends can't tell a difference. I only expect this integration to get better. FF thus becomes your "advanced tweakable news feed", with support for "off-FB conversations".
- Christopher Galtenberg
GBU Max! I see you still have the racoon from AdlandPro days. nice to see you again
- RetiredTeacherD
Hey Teach! Thanks for caring and sharing. MAX "In helping others, we shall help ourselves, for whatever good we give out completes the circle and comes back to us."
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- Houseofmax
from email
I have talked extensively about this free system in the past. http://www.freetrafficsystem.com/a... However, I wanted everybody to know that this system really is the single most powerful free marketing tool I have run across to date. If you are using article marketing as part of your link building strategy, STOP! You can use this system...
I'm guessing by *invisible text* he means people loaded white-on-white keywords into his header and footer like the sort of NSFW content blocked by your office's firewall.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
So much for having your own blog giving you control of your content?
- Jesse Stay
I got screwed cause the old blog.grazr.com got hacked (didn't know it) and it was redirected to my new blog. So now my pagerank is like -5 or something.
- mikepk
shocked that after the hell i went through on rackspace/mosso they wouldn't have known what to clear - i was out of google too - it's so fun - all of my sites got hit too over time so i lost a ton of google.
- Allen Stern
I hate to say it but as Allen and Jesse are hinting at this is a black mark on your hosting provider.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I've seen injected content on RSS feeds that didn't show up on the blog itself. :-/ Sorry to hear!
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
there's a virus or something like that which places an iframe in your page. just change your ftp password, scan your machine for virusses, and find the code in the pages and then google will let you in again
- Hakan İyice
Maybe it's a black mark because Scoble is a Rackspace employee, but it's not Rackspace's fault something happened to a website. They run the server, not the website.
- Mark Trapp
daniel - just to be clear - they have said to me time and agian it's not their side, it's wordpress side.
- Allen Stern
Is that acceptable? I know that ever since I've moved from hosted Blogspot over to self-administered WordPress I've had some crazy spam issues. Maybe that's just a natural consequence of the blog growing and not a result of my hosting choice.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
They used some sort of admin hack. We changed a whole bunch of stuff and now the hack has stopped (we deleted the admin account and did a bunch of other stuff). I'm not sure how it happened, but we're getting smarter about setting up Wordpress, that's for sure!
- Robert Scoble
Allen: there are folks inside Rackspace who know how to clean this up. I'm now working with them.
- Robert Scoble
Use XENU to find all the links and kill them, makes life easier to find all the places the embedded code ended up. Worked for me when this happened to me last year.
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
In a separate thread, Robert admitted his blog was running WordPress 2.7.x, which was vulnerable to an exploit detailed here: http://wordpress.org/develop... -- and then once in, hackers can inject spam only visible to robots. If you have a WordPress blog, please update to the latest version -- 2.8.4 -- to prevent hackers from doing the same thing to your blog that they did to Robert's.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
It's such a damn shame that you worked so hard to have an Internet presence and some bastard sits around in his basement and try to whack you off the net
- Houseofmax
Robert, if you need some WP help from experts, check out the wordpress.org forums and/or wptavern.com. That's where us WordPress nerds hang out. We can give security tips, maybe specific to your host. We also have several people who are skilled at post-hack analysis, to determine how they got in and prevent it from happening in the future.
- Otto
Stephen: I think that was ONE of the exploits they used. The exploits continued even after updating (they've stopped now, because we made it hard to find the admin account -- that's something I would do immediately too, change the name of your admin account).
- Robert Scoble
Otto: thanks. Some of those guys work at Rackspace and they are helping out now. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that was probably how they got in originally, and probably left themselves backdoors that worked even after you updated to 2.8.4.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Daniel: nothing about the hosting choice makes WordPress (or any other web-level application) more susceptible to spam. Your site is accessible via a fully-qualified domain name, which is how spammers are finding you (via Google or other means). That domain could be attached to any host, the spammers don't care or necessarily know who that host is. What a host is responsible for,...
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- Mark Trapp
Most of Rackspace's products are unmanaged at the application layer, but managed at the system and network layer.
- Mark Trapp
Yes, that is the usual case. A successful hack causes insertion of hidden admin accounts or other backdoors, to let them get in later. One of the steps we always recommend after getting hacked is to a) copy any new "content" you have made into text files somewhere, and then b) restore the site and database from a backup prior to the hack. This prevents anything they inserted from being...
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- Otto
I had to pay triple my yearly hosting fee just to cover the bandwidth lost to spam before I figured out how to blacklist spammers using a WP plugin.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Also, if the Rackspace guys find any possible security problems, have them email the info to security@wordpress.org . It'll get analyzed by experts that way.
- Otto
Who is responsible Host? WP? Is it possible to have an eye over errors logs and failed attempt !
- Honey
same exact thing happened to me a month ago. I finally got it sorted out. I'm happy to share what I learned if interested. I went to d msg you on Twitter but i'm one of the masses to be unfollowed
- Jim Goldstein
Jim: you can DM me here, which is even better!
- Robert Scoble
I figured :) Hence my presence here.
- Jim Goldstein
Robert, if I'm clear on this you are positive this isn't a Rackspace/host/server failure but a failure to secure the script (FREE AND COMMON) you used for your blog. Right? It's not like you had your SQL server hacked or something similarly systems related.
- Jason Nunnelley
Just highlights one of the major drawbacks of Cloud Computing. You don't really have control of your own destiny. Of course, that's not to say the same thing can't happen when you do.
- Ward Mundy
Ward, can you tell me what this has to do with cloud computing?
- Jason Nunnelley
In my instance they added an official looking xmlrpc.php file. Adjusted the header.php file and hid files in my plugin directory. More here http://groups.google.com/group... It took a while to clean out my blog plugin directory to start from scratch and to look through various files for encrypted code...
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- Jim Goldstein
I ASS-U-MEd the blog was hosted at wordpress.com.
- Ward Mundy
I don't understand - what does getting 'kicked out of Google' really mean?
- Zach Landes
Zach: my blog was removed from the Google index until I clean it up.
- Robert Scoble
Yikes - that sucks. My site got hit with hidden / invisible spam links few months back - big PITA to fix and to get Google juice back gradually.
- Patrick Jordan
that happened to me last week... The Rackspace team helped me clean it up - While Google said many Rackspace/Mosso sites were affected I was told (and agree with) - they host thousands and thousands of sites and it's WordPress - not them.
- andy brudtkuhl
That would piss me off to no end. Wow. Sorry Robert :(
- Andru Edwards
This was actually "hidden" in plain site by the exploit that affected WP 2.7.x All better now. Robert, tell Google to turn the juice back on!
- Rob La Gesse
That seems strange to me Robert...google searches have lots of NSFW stuff, so why would you be removed from the index altogether?
- Zach Landes
Zach: if I were a betting man, it's because scobleizer.com has a very high PR, and having that stuff there could adversely affect a whole lot more of the index than just his site.
- Mark Trapp
Wow, that is insane. Glad to hear you got it back up in a timely manner, thanks to your team.
- Martha
Curiously, the exact same thing happened to my blog (Twittercism.com), pretty much around the same time it happened to Robert, on both occasions. And like him, I was hacked the second time after the upgrade to 2.8.4. And it was invisible text in the footer. It was fairly easy to remove, but still, an irritant. (Incidentally, a WP Plugin called exploit scanner was very useful. http://ocaoimh.ie/exploit...)
- Shéa Bennett
Sigh. I run a few dozen WP sites, and I have yet to have any of them hacked into. I'm feeling left out here. :(
- Otto
oh oh so the last time you were hacked you still have the after effects of it, try the antivirus plugin for wp, it checks the themes for bad and malicious links
- Keith Dsouza
Wow! Scoble's Wordpress blog got hacked (click through for the details) & the hacker's secret changes got him thrown out of the Google Index for a while. Make sure you: 1) Always back up your Wordpress blog. 2) Update to 2.8.x, as 2.7 had the vulnerabilities that were exploited in Scoble's case. 3) Check your install for exploits (there are plugins for this), as well as your Google indexing once a week or so.
- Alex Schleber
Truly feeling bummed for you Robert! I've had a problem for several weeks of spammers going after my email. Gotta say.. people need to know that all sites are subject to hackers.
- Arleen Boyd
Hacked again? That sucks. I saw that you had cleaned it up, so I went to check on things. Someone on my team already saw the bad stuff was gone, so they revoked the removal early this afternoon. Looks like you're already back in the index.
- Matt Cutts
You've been hacked twice in a month haven't you.
- Gimminy
i just found more bad files on my mosso account - im seriously done :( matt - can you check insidetransit.com? thanks
- Allen Stern
Yikes, that sucks. Link injection is the scourge.
- Elliott Ng
Matt: thanks, Google is fast lately. I remember the days when we waited weeks for search engines to reindex! Hopefully we got it all fixed now. We're definitely learning a lot about Wordpress best practices.
- Robert Scoble
Install a good web application firewall such as dotDefender, ModSecurity, eeye, imperva it will help you to stop those attacks.
- Daniel
That blows - hope you tech guys figure out how to eliminate crap like this : ) I'm sure that won't stop you for long...
- Mark Harai
Be nice if twitter would figure out a financial model that would let them help folks who have been spammed or otherwise compromised
- Sean O'Reilly
This same thing happened to me and ALL of my blogs got removed from Google and I'm now working as a cashier. Several years of solid work completely gone. I don't know why Google and WordPress don't do something about this. This was one of the worst things to happen to me in my entire life... :(
- Uniquely Cool
By the way, I've only found one sure fire way to keep from getting hacked... and that is to convert your WordPress blog into a static HTML site. Sucks losing some of the interactive features, though. :(
- Uniquely Cool
Recently had a drop in my PR, but it must be something I did or said. There must be a better way to enhanced your blog security than going non-interactive, like having your own domain
- Houseofmax
This is really depressing. My situation is way worse... I could literally lose my house because of a wordpress exploit. :(
- Uniquely Cool
"Mexico enacted a controversial law on Thursday decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana, cocaine, heroin and other drugs while encouraging government-financed treatment for drug dependency free of charge. The law sets out maximum “personal use” amounts for drugs, also including LSD and methamphetamine. People detained with those quantities will no longer face criminal prosecution; the law goes into effect on Friday. Anyone caught with drug amounts under the personal-use limit will be encouraged to seek treatment, and for those caught a third time treatment is mandatory — although no penalties for noncompliance are specified. Mexican authorities said the change only recognized the longstanding practice here of not prosecuting people caught with small amounts of drugs. The maximum amount of marijuana considered to be for “personal use” under the new law is 5 grams — the equivalent of about four marijuana cigarettes. Other limits are half a gram of cocaine, 50 milligrams of heroin, 40 milligrams for methamphetamine and 0.015 milligrams of LSD."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
It sounds like decriminalizing is different than legalizing. If it was legal, it wouldn't matter if you were "caught". If it's illegal and just not criminal, it's like a parking ticket or building code violation -- you're not allowed to do it, but you won't end up in jail if you're caught.
- Gabe
It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but I do not think that these laws are strict enough. "those caught a third time treatment is mandatory" why not the first? Laws that are this lax seem to suggest that drug consumption is socially acceptable and I do not think that is a good standard to be setting at all.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Wait, I thought the US Congress got to approve all their drug laws.
- j1m
@Garin: Both Mexico and the US have tried setting "stricter laws". Turns out that doesn't work very well either. Also turns out possession and use of some drugs effectively *is* socially acceptable in most countries already.
- Joel Webber
Sweet, takes some attention off Canada & "Vansterdam".
- Andrew C (✓)
So, Netherlands, Portugal, Canada, Mexico... I really hope this catches on, especially the way Mexico did it, for all drugs, not just weed.
- Michal Tatarynowicz
huh. So that's ~4-10 doses of weed and ~200 doses of LSD that are legal now in mexico. Interesting how arbitrary such laws always are. Still, it's a massive improvement!
- matt knox
I bet the local cops are pissed even though they say it helps them focus on other things. It;s lucrative shaking down tourists and locals for petty possession.
- Arawak
Am I the only one who fears for how this will affect police corruption in Mexico? Does it matter that it's a lot easier to fudge amount of something (up or down) than its presence? Or are there already effectively no checks on corruption so it doesn't matter?
- Daniel Dulitz
interesting... and US still not allows drug consumers to cross border (like forever, wrt that Canadian LSD researcher/professor)...
- A. T.
Portugal did this in 2001. No adverse effects yet.
- 9000
matt knox: 200 doses of LSD? Wikipedia says that 20-30 micrograms is the threshold dose for psychoactive effect, which makes .015mg less than one dose.
- Gabe
Sounds like a practical approach. Would be interesting to see the results after a year or so.
- Houseofmax
I'm trying to find a formula for generating the perfect tweet (then I can automate it!). Here's what I have so far: Statement of fact (preferably one that shows how awesome or lame your life is) followed by witty insight or observation.
Apply the formula here, or propose a better formula. This was inspired by a discussion of what my brother's dog would tweet if he had a twitter account (and could tweet). It started with "Just got neutered.", but then we had trouble coming up with the witty insight or observation part.
- Paul Buchheit
People seem to be big fans of pithy observations of life phrased as a rhetorical question followed by the phrase "just sayin'" and an irrelevant hashtag lately. Another one to add to your generator would be a 3 sentence verbose response to the topic of the day, but with the vowels taken out to fit in a 140 character tweet.
- Mark Trapp
Is this going to be the "I'm feeling lucky" button on FriendFeed?
- Jesse Stay
{situation|product} is {overrated|underrated}. It's like {verb}ing in a {place} with a {object}.
- Francesco Balducci
Here is the issue: A witty insight or observation is not made witty by the creator but by the observer. So, unless your automator will tweet and laugh at itself or somehow guess the minds of your audience, it might have issues.
- Aditya Mittal
Start with Fark.com headline generation rules and then remove the news story subtext ;)
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
I prefer Tweets with links to valuable resources and opinions.
- Garin Kilpatrick
i know this is true (this sentence manages to be both parts).
- kosmar
For me, the perfect tweet is a link to a high-quality document, accompanied by a terse summary of its core content. Those are pretty much the only tweets I pay attention to.
- Sean McBride
My favorite tweets say just enough to make you sooo curious you have to follow the "in reply to" to know what the heck they're talking about! In other words... it's real & witty conversation. =)
- Arleen Boyd
Sounds like you have a 50% winner. "How about "I hope you humans are happy with your life!"
- Houseofmax
I, for one, welcome our new Twitter overlords!
- Bill Sodeman
Just wondered where you'd found other examples - but found it on 4chan.org. Most of this was pretty horrible - a couple of people's statuses made it sound as if they were going to kill themselves due to a lack of faith which had prompted real worry in their friends and families. Not cool.
- Rich
"Facebook Inc. has announced a new publishing tool that will automatically export information posted on your Facebook Page to your Twitter account. The Twitter exporter tool will be available to Facebook Page administrators over the next few days, according to news release issued by Facebook late last week."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
I have a neat little system. I post and FF. It goes onto Twitter and then to FaceBook. Don't think I need any reverse osmosis
- Houseofmax
another good option to share data between services
- Rob Cairns
finally! Isn't this an obvious feature? Why hasn't it happened sooner? Now if they can also get their security junk together.
- Tobin Truog
FB doesn't have any security issues. People are just stupid.
- LANjackal
from IM
LANjackal: fair enough...People don't do enough. How should people avoid getting their account hacked and used to launch porn links?
- Tobin Truog
Same way you and I've done it since FB launched: keep your head screwed on, stay informed, don't click on every link you see, etc. It's not that hard. I'm not saying sites don't have to work on their own security measures, but there's no patch for stupidity, and as long as people can be easily fooled, security problems will persisit
- LANjackal
from IM
Haahaha! "there's no patch for stupidity"...nice line. :-)
- Tobin Truog
LOL, I didn't come up with it, it's actually a pretty popular saying in security circles ;)
- LANjackal
from IM
well...i'm not in security circles. but i am in stupidity circles from time to time.
- Tobin Truog
"perhaps Microsoft is taking Firefox's side, at least against Google. As The Register reports, Microsoft Office Web Apps, due out in 2010, will support Firefox and other "familiar Web browsers," which doesn't include Chrome, Safari (for Windows), or Opera. Apparently, Microsoft will only be supporting those browsers that don't have an operating system competitor attached to them."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
Firefox 4 is supposed to reduce reliance on XPCOM and therefore improve performance.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I use both all the time, when firefox isn't running a million tabs, I don't notice a difference in speed,and Chrome is unusable past 15 tabs or so
- Richard Lawler
HAHAA! By 2010, Chrome will be a "familiar" web browser!
- Wizetux
as most other people would say I use firefox just for the plugins..It's sad when a product's usability is dependent on it's popularity
- Rares Matei
Chrome is my default browser for months now because of it's speed. I used to open Firefox but after months of Chroming, Firefox seems very slow now. So yes, Chrome's speed displaced Firefox already for me.
- Nik
I'm seriously thinking about switching. I've been using it more and more and the cleanness far outweights the lack of extensions.
- James Myatt
I doubt Chrome will, I find FF serves differently than Chrome in many ways. They r not alike until then let there be competition
- polou/indigo_bow
Aha. I'm exactly opposite of James then. I simply *can't* browse effectively without some extensions. Namely: WiseStamp, FoxyProxy, Xmarks, NoScript, AdBlockPlus.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
As a Mac user, I really don't care about Chrome. Webkit and Chrome will continue to play leap frog with each other in performance. Once Snow Leopard comes out Webkit will get to run in 64-bit Safari. For the vast majority tho, I think IE has more to lose than FireFox. Once a platform has great developer support, its hard to pull people away from that. Just look at Android vs iPhone in terms of developer support. I think FF's best move would be to dump Gecko and adopt Webkit.
- Mac64
Since Chrome and Safari are both Webkit, the difference in performance is going to be the Javascript engine (V8 vs Squirrelfish) and the implementation of the UI. Right now Chromium seems faster than Safari, although it would probably be a fairer comparison if I tried Webkit nightlies. But I honestly couldn't tell you if Chrome's process separation and JIT Javascript compiler really provide the stability and speed that Google claims it does.
- Victor Ganata
from iPod
@Mac64: I disagree. If all non-Microsoft browsers use Webkit, there would be less reason for Webkit to continue development (as the Trident engine in IE is very lacking). Competition is always good.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
Chrome has speed? Then what the heck am I using that's slower than molasses immediately after booting up my machine (had to shut it down to upgrade from 2GB of RAM to 3GB)?
- MiniMage
I think people are referring to rendering times, and not startup times. :)
- Victor Ganata
Here lies the problem. Microsoft being selective about what they support, when for YEARS everyone has had to go out of their way to support IE. If they support Safari on OSX, why doesn't Chrome work too. If they wanted business, they should make it work on about everything.
- Kreg Steppe
Feeding the competition was always a bad move in business unless there's benefits to both sides
- Houseofmax
Double-checked by logging out and logging back in and it's still there. No rhyme or reason why you'd have it then get it taken away. (shakes head)
- c.a.j.
If it's not being rolled out to everyone just yet they may be varying the test group a little *shrugs*. TBH by the time the "List" feature rolled out on Facebook, I had so many friend that sorting through them was just too large of a task, so aside from Limited Profile I don't really use it
- LANjackal
what i don't get is why they would give to me, then take it away...odd
- Zee.
Zee, it's probably an A/B testing bug. You were in one bucket, then they lost track of the cookie or whatever tied you to it, and you dropped into the other bucket. Probably means their internal data isn't entirely reliable I'm guessing...
- Jason Wehmhoener
I don't think thats the case P J, but how do have your status set to Everyone anyway?
- Zee.
Will have to check that out - without link sharing - whatelse is there?
- Houseofmax
The media blitz of the "Secre"t was a real PR success, but I thought most people with any knowledge of religion would have known that the Law of Attraction was no secret.
- Houseofmax
In Canada we have Health Insurance for everyone:)
- Rob Cairns
Outlawing insurance has some appeal in /libertarian/ circles? That must be one heck of an interesting branch of libertarianism.
- Tristan Seligmann
"The Communist Fire Brigade"... Wow, has it come to that, that in the US some people equate essential Government Services with Communism? - In the US, the Capitalist/Free Enterprise doctrine has become so ingrained in the culture that it has distorted much of the Body Politic's understanding of the clear distinctions between extreme ideas like Communism and the valid role of Government...
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- Simon Edhouse
@Simon I agree with you. I'm a Brit living in the UK, and a strong supporter of the NHS (our state run health service which has sadly been dragged into the debate by the US right wing), I was being sarcastic and deliberately provocative. If the person who pulls you out of a burning building, or the person who diffuses a bomb is working for the government, then why not pay the person who puts you back together from government funds as well?
- Graeme Shaw
Simon: It is not the government's role to be my mother. I'm all for health care reform, but what is currently being proposed is not reform at all, it's merely mandatory health insurance. I can't support that.
- Otto
Samuel-do you have a problem with mandatory auto insurance?
- Michael
Michael: Auto insurance is not mandatory. You can cover your own risk by posting a surety bond for a given amount. There's no such similar option in this new plan, it actually punishes not wanting health insurance by imposing an additional income tax on people without health insurance. Furthermore, the comparison is invalid, as "mandatory" auto insurance only extends to liability...
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- Otto
@Samuel do you also want the right to have no cover from the fire service, the police, the army, or any other government provided services? Shouldn't you have the choice to pay for, or not pay for these services too? Why is healthcare any different?
- Graeme Shaw
@Graeme: Firstly, 70%+ of the fire services in the USA are volunteer fire departments, who raise their own money. They are not expressly government funded. Secondly, Police and military services are in the direct jurisdiction of government. That's what governments are supposed to do: provide for the national defense and enforce the laws created by the will of the people. Thirdly, I...
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- Otto
@Samuel "I do not think that health-care is some kind of fundamental right" and this is where we completely disagree to the point that I don't think I'll ever properly understand your point of view, nor you mine. I can't conceive of living somewhere without universal health care which is free at the point of access. I truly can't understand why people wouldn't think that to be a Good Thing.
- Graeme Shaw
@Graeme: Do you also give out free houses to every single person in your country as well? Is all the food free? If not, then how can you consider health care more of a human right than basic food or shelter? The fact of the matter is that life is free, but everything else must be paid for. By setting up health care as a "right" you eliminate free market incentive to improve health care...
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- Otto
We don't give out free houses, and food is not free, but we do our best to house and feed our poor, yes. In 2008 a survey of homeless people in England found 483 people sleeping rough out of 51 million inhabitants. "The UK spends less per head on healthcare but has a higher life expectancy than the US. The World Health Organisation ranks Britain's healthcare as 18th in the world, while...
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- Graeme Shaw
What I've paid for an excellent full coverage by the NHS is nothing compared to what I would pay with a private insurance. I'm generally happy with the service I've received so far and I'm happy to pay tax to support that because I am happy that everyone in this country has proper healthcare, it is in my own interest too not to have people walking around with untreated TB or whatever.
- M F
I didn't at any point suggest that healthcare in the UK was free. I specifically said it was "free at the point of access". When I walk into any NHS healthcare facility, I come back out without a bill, or having to pay anything, or having to fill out paperwork to claim from an insurance company. I am more than happy (in fact I am out right proud) that my taxes pay not only for my own healthcare, but for that of my fellow UK residents.
- Graeme Shaw
@Graeme: Well, that definitely sounds like socialism to me. Let me know how that works out for you. :\
- Otto
@Samuel call it what you like. I can move jobs without having to take my health insurance into consideration and can live out my life safe in the knowledge that I'll never be bankrupted by healthcare bills. The NHS is 60 years old, it's working pretty well so far thanks.
- Graeme Shaw
from iPhone
Some people will never move forward - even if you kill them.
- Houseofmax
@Graeme: If NHS is such the bees knees, why are Whole Foods employees in the UK telling their head people that they "want supplemental health-care dollars that they can control and spend themselves without permission from their governments"? Their CEO says so: http://online.wsj.com/article... I'm sorry if I simply don't buy into your utopian...
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- Otto
You are exaggerating the case against the NHS there Sam, yes its not perfect but most people I know in the UK are thankful to know they can get care if needed - if you need independent corroboration the WHO has the UK's health care as 18th in the world, ahead of the US at 37 http://www.photius.com/ranking...
- MarkEdmondson
Citing the WHO over and over again doesn't make it true. If you actually look at the study instead of the summaries, most of that lowered rank was primarily due to the US not having universal health care, so it's really a catch-22 there. The US was first in responsiveness in the same study you're citing, for example. Also, everybody in the USA can get care when needed, it's not like...
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- Otto
The NHS is certainly not a utopia, but I find it very telling that you perceive my description of it to be utopian. Maybe that says more about your attitudes to healthcare than it does about healthcare in the UK. As Mark says, the NHS does have many problems, and we do need to work to resolve them. The NHS isn't a business. It doesn't exist to make money, it exists to provide universal...
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- Graeme Shaw
how about not. single payer or what is currently purposed is better than current system.
- Logan Lindquist
The currently proposed plan is a complete travesty that will absolutely bankrupt the country within 10 years, period. The idea of a "single-payer" system is no better, since it puts your health-care decisions absolutely in the hands of the government, with no alternative options available. What is needed is a removal of laws and restrictions, and a chance for health insurance and costs...
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- Otto
From my european (italian) perpective I find all this amusing (so to say...). I can get a cure for anything in a state owned structure, paying nothing or a nominal sum, or in a private structure which operates in convention with the state, always paying nothing or a nominal sum, or in a private structure paying everything unless I have private insurance. There are some abuses now and...
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- Alb. [CHIUSO]
@albbrt: You also pay roughly 10% of your income into that non-opt-out Italian health care system, while 35% of your countrymen use some form of private health services regardless and pay outright for that fact. So, essentially, you're saying that not only should we be taxed out the wazoo (10% !!! if I added that on to my current tax rate, it would come to something like half my pay for...
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- Otto
And the debate goes on and on in circles yet again. For some reason, many in the US just don't "get" universal health care. Plain and simple. Forget about the data, the testimonials, the living-breathing examples of successes elsewhere. In other countries, it's just part of your social mentality. Let's start with a basic premise: do you believe that ALL citizens of the country should...
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- Allan Besselink
@Samuel I yet have to find something not covered. My wife had eosinophilic gastroenteritis, pretty rare, and was out of it thanks to the cure of the local hospital (not even a major one in town). A well spent 10%. I had private insurance, and left it because it sucked. Moreover, I *want* to live in a neighborhood where people is healthy and happy. If my 10% goes to support everybody's health, it is good for society as a whole ("as a whole" is the key).
- Alb. [CHIUSO]
To be fair, it is none of my business if the US lets its uninsured die or not, but I do care if the NHS is misrepresented by American politicians looking for something to scare their constituents with - I'm telling you from the perspective of someone who lives in the UK and speaks with UK people everyday, we're grateful for the security net of universal health care, and whilst issues on...
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- MarkEdmondson
@Otto are you honestly saying that you pay 40% income tax and you DON'T get universal healthcare included? We have universal healthcare, and I'm sure as hell not paying 40% income tax.
- Graeme Shaw
The lack of universality and the tie to employment is a huge problem. As an example, when Lance Armstrong was diagnosed with testicular cancer he had just switched pro cycling teams and as a result was not covered by either his former, or new employer's health insurance. He was facing losing absolutely everything until Oakely (his personal sponsor) stepped in and managed to get him covered on their policy. That situation would simply never occur in the UK, it is completely alien to us.
- Graeme Shaw
@Samuel my tax rate is about 36% and yes, it covers universal health care (including eosinophilic gastroenteritis). Yes, italian tax rates could be lower if everybody would pay.
- Alb. [CHIUSO]
Samuel referred earlier to: "...what governments are supposed to do" - This is obviously in the eye of the beholder, as they say. In the US there is a long established fear of "socialism" and "big government"... Trouble is, you've got a big country, and big social problems, when actually there's a lot of expenditure of public funds on things that governments are (arguably) NOT supposed...
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- Simon Edhouse
The liberty view is one I can appreciate and willing to stand for, however, I'm in the midst of a less abstract fight right now and that's one with cancer. You can imagine my view on the need for better health care coverage is tainted by my condition. It is--call it a side effect of going through cancer treatment or better yet spending hours in the chemo room as you hear such...
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- Loren Heiny
This is an idea that many conservatives have been promoting for a long time now. Nothing new here. ^^
- David C. Cooper
In my case, @OneGear1972, I'm alive because of the help of others: doctors, hospitals, drug companies, staff, family, friends, and yes, even the government. I owe a lot to a lot of people. Now as far as insurance goes for me going forward, I have a pre-existing condition, so my best hope is with getting in a large pool as with a large company or institution. Buying an individual plan is...
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- Loren Heiny
@OneGear1972, Thanks...one day at a time is my motto. In terms of your comparison to the UK system, I think even the people against the most recent health care proposals understand the principle, but I don't think many people really appreciate what health care costs are or what benefits they have or how limiting the current system is. I've seen more than one person lose their house,...
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- Loren Heiny
I'm from Argentina, went to the US on holiday last year with my wife. We had paid for a traveler private health insurance; I got a regular plan for me, but she was pregnant at the time, so we got the most extensive (and expensive) for her, from the best known travel insurance company available. Pregnancy gave her backaches, and we were in San Francisco when we had to contact the...
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- Miguel Toledo
@Miguel, yeah there is a routine set of questions that hospitals ask upon admission. Some are by law. Interestingly, there was a provision in one of the proposed healthcare bills here that was extending payments for Living Will type discussions with doctors/etc and it got interpreted as intimidation to sign away one's life and that morphed into "death panels." So even here in the US...
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- Loren Heiny
Considering they're private enterprise and as such their main objective is to maximize their benefits while minimizing their losses, the procedure you mention is only logical. That, however, doesn't make it any less cruel; in the end they're putting their economic/financial interests above your health needs. Sounds tragical; it is.
- Miguel Toledo
I mean, I would never rule out private enterprises related to health. In some cases they provide very good services, and very qualified and caring professionals work there too. But them being the only choice is not right; and ruling out the possibility of having the state running health services does not make any sense to me. In the end, the state has to look for the welfare of their...
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- Miguel Toledo
@Graeme Shaw: No, I'm not taxed at 40%, that's just my estimate of all taxes I pay in any form whatsoever (income, sales, etc). And yes, it's too high, which is why I don't want mandatory health insurance. Health care reform is fine, but making a government insurance plan that I must use? No way.
- Otto
@Otto, I think what you're wanting is consistent with the intent of the current health care reform bills. You'll be able to keep the insurance you have (I assume you mean work supplied insurance). I want to point out though that, of course, when you retire you'll probably use Medicare which is a government run insurance. In fact, at the town halls there are many senior citizens on...
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- Loren Heiny
@Loren: No, you won't be able to keep the insurance you have. Yes, it says that, but practically, they won't be able to actually do it. Why? Because part of it requires that the existing plans fall in-line with all these new regulations, so those "grandfathered" plans can't sign up new members. Meaning that your insurance company will basically have to kill your old plan as a cost...
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- Otto
@Otto, you're extrapolating about what might happen rather what is dictated to happen--so yes you might be right, but then again you might not be. You have to ask yourself what motivation the two sides of the argument are for their position. At least that's the way my skeptical mind works. Anyway, since you don't have insurance, let me plead with you to reconsider. Don't get into the...
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- Loren Heiny
They get away with it because the healthcare lobby pays their salaries and they're not concerned about the constituents. The lobby gets the elderly and the far right frothing at the mouth over this fiction, then they threaten to withhold campaign funds from anybody who supports the bill. Grassley was considered a voice of reason and then he just flipped like a light switch. Wonder who...
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- Kevin Arth
Yeah, how do they get away with this when those in support of government healthcare control the media and have Obama's bully pulpit? Why can't they set everyone straight, without threatening to diminish first amendment rights by reporting alleged mis-informants, etc.? It's a travesty...
- Stephen M. Otto
This has nothing to do with "losing the election". It has nothing to do with racism. To attempt to reformulate the debate in that way is simply not productive, and it is a display of extreme disrespect for your fellow Americans. You need to address the merits of the debate, which is: How can government manage the costs of this proposed system without rationing.
- Stephen M. Otto
@Tomy As a med student, aren't you concerned about any healthcare proposal that doesn't include Tort Reform??
- Stephen M. Otto
Nobody knows all the details of this bill, because it's like 1000+ pages freakin' long. However, the bits I've read, I did not like. I'm very pro-Obama, but I do not and cannot support his health-care plan. Despite the idiots shouting at Town Halls, this plan has severe issues that need to be addressed, and the current administration seems determined to push it through without fixing...
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- Otto
Which health care plan? There are like three bills.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
As a non-American, I think the thing that astounds me the most is the lack of debate. It's about political position and beliefs, not about any thought at all. The lies and mis-statements about the Uk MHD are just astounding
- Rachel Clarke
from iPhone
Health care - Hell scare - Who really cares Show them a Bill , and they will kill it - that's the agenda!
- Houseofmax
@Tomy: I admit that I have not seen the signs and placards that you describe. If what you say is correct, it is conduct that should not be tolerated.
- Stephen M. Otto
from iPhone
Any kind of website traffic is good traffic, if you know how to control it. It's well known that using AutoSurf traffic can get you a ton of pageviews for your web site or blog. However, the ability to convert this traffic into actual visitors may present a real problem for most online marketers. Understanding the max traffic secrets for traffic delivery can give you a handle on the problem.
- Houseofmax
Andy: the latest version is mostly a security upgrade, yes.
- Robert Scoble
You're comparing an open source program like WordPress to Microsoft? Not sure I understand that. They are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
- Scott Beale
What you described is exactly what seems to be the problem. Ken didn't upgrade ours because I was in the middle of writing. He has done so now and we were lucky. :) Glad you got your site back.
- Sheryl
My WP update instruction says "delete your files first?" What's up with that?
- Houseofmax
I did the backup, the server upload, the whole thing. A mighty late night it was.
- Rob Schieber
robert, now that i can do an automatic upgrade (in place) with just a few clicks (after chmoding 777 the wp_content directory temporarily) i've been upgrading as soon as possible
- Chris Heath
Any good suggestions on a Wordpress host? I have been with Dreamhost but have had some issues.
- TonyatMATC
you could always go with a big company like godaddy or rackspace, but i tend to stick with smaller companies for the customer service. i use tektonic.net and i'm very happy, but i'm sure there's lots of others like it
- Chris Heath
DreamHost is considered one of, if not the leading WordPress host. If you let them manage your updates and such, they are usually right on top of security issues. (I am not a DH customer) WP needs to be updated constantly, especially if you use plug-ins.
- RAD Moose
Chris Health: want to know more about "automatic update" Tried that but it fails. What might be the reason?
- Houseofmax
after much tinkering and googling i've found that there's a couple issues with the auto-update - what i do is change my permissions on the wp_content folder to 777 (from 755) then do the auto update - after the update is done i go back and change the permissions back to 755 - this is because of some PHP safe mode setting that my host has set (that i can not change) since we're running...
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- Chris Heath
FYI, the 2.8.4 update still has a vulnerability. i upgraded yesterday, but this morning I received a 'password reset' email.
- John Craft
Thanks Chris - Will try that. checked the error messages and only one file was blocking (wp-content/upgrade/sitemap/google-sitemap-generator/screenshot-1.gif)
- Houseofmax
I left Twitter for Jaiku. Then Jaiku left me for Google. I moved in with Pownce but it died. I went back to Twitter, but flirted with Plurk, Identica, and Rejaw, and even tried doing it myself with Laconica but it was Twitter I really loved. Twitter finally broke my heart so I left it for Friendfeed. Now Friendfeed is leaving me for Facebook. No...
It reads better than Soap - my roadmap is very similar but I'll forgive FF and live happily ever after with it (for the time being, anyway)
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
You're the best Leo. Canadians are the funniest people.
- Dan Lessard
I'm betting they'll slowly digest it into the Facebook news feed. They claim that Friendfeed is staying put for now, but that won't last.
- Ken Bauer
And we keep following Leo all over the place!
- Robert Scoble
When will we all get in a long term relationship and stop getting our hearts broken?
- Nate Pilling
so what is more important, the medium or the people, hope that FF will let us export our content, and our social netork :) (in my wild dreams)
- abdellah
Need ice cream? I'm new to FF, and kind of sad I didn't jump on the proverbial wagon sooner!
- Elizabeth K. Barone
Feels to me like maybe it's time to go back to building a distributed network, rather than hopping from service to service.
- Ken Sheppardson
But where to next? That's the question. Wave sounds great, but the implementation will be a PAIN. So where? Oh LeoMoses...where is our path in the desert?
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Sounds like a hurtin' country song in the making.
- Bill Rodman
Well you can't say that what is happening in the 'social sphere' is boring by any means!
- Matt Cassem
I think Leo's audience is more likely to click "Like" or "comment" than Scoble's is. When Leo and Rob are both posting on FF, Leo gets more likes and comments
- Mark
Didn't you leave a post earlier saying how funny it was that people complain anytime there's a change (referring to the FF buyout)? This sounds like a complaint to me.
- Fleagle
Not complaining - just thinking about the future. I think a little Friendfeed DNA will vastly improve Facebook. And I think Facebook is already the big winner with the general populace. I also think we geeks need a corner somewhere else to hang out in.
- Leo Laporte
And I have no plans to leave Friendfeed. Yet.
- Leo Laporte
I feel more of a personal connection with the FriendFeed team than I have with other services I've left, and that will be a big part of why I will stay as long as possible.
- Louis Gray
The only way to have control is to use your own URL
- Craig Shipp
Wait till you meet Facebook's randy cousin Overly Friendly Book =)
- Cynthia Yildirim
what Louis gray said. I'm going to hang around until the lights go out.
- Jordan Brock
from BuddyFeed
What they said, I don't see any reason to leave FriendFeed unless something actually changes that makes the service worthless to me.
- Craig B.
And many times you cheated Twitter, she was always loyal to you. Thats mean someting!
- Jacque
from m.ctor.org
yup me too Louis and I don't know any of them
- Thomas Power
Users today are investors too - only the 'exit' for us is not lucrative.... its the other way sometimes :)
- Mrinal Desai
I just had the idea: wow, how good will Faceboook become though this input? (JUST imagine tagging ppl in FB the way U can Tag them in FF.)
- oliver gassner
Don't worry Leo, its not you, its them...
- Steven McGurn
I agree with Jonathan Hardesty "It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives" - And sites keep getting killed off only to come back to life a month later!
- Amy Flynn
very true, however on the other hand, we are getting closer to that one service which everyone will be on... and I dont think twitter is going to be that one
- Bryce Campbell
Facebook buying FriendFeed is like having to MOVE just when you got your house all dressed up and made into a comfy HOME! I don't feel like doing it again!
- Arleen Boyd
Now that Facebook and Friendfeed have married, I'm waiting for Twitfacefeedplebospacening.
- Anthony Marco
Leo, u by your self made two companies (services) out of 3 famous and made Google interested enough to buy 2 of them (Jaiku & FF). Google also tried to flirt with Twitter as well. So which one u choose now? Cause we will follow u :P
- Sam Ehsan
Sounds like some of my past love affairs. Of course, I'm married now. That, um, was prior.
- Paul Chaney
Feeling a bit worn around the edges? ... me too!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Speaking of Days Of Our Lives: Didn't that show jump the shark when the serial killer was unmasked as Marlena (a character I used to have a mad crush on, and who's now mostly a professional victim)? Then all the "killed" characters came back to life, since they were only what I call "soap opera dead"...
- Dennis Jernberg
And if everyone follows you, then your all having affairs all over the place! LOL
- Technogran
I think it's back to the TWiT Army!
- Paul Salzman
It's not like we have proposed Healthcare reform, or anything really important, going on in the U.S.A.
- Steve de Mena
I know exactly how you feel. What's a person to do? I am mad at Twitter for suspending some of my accounts. First, the accounts kept causing the password to reset, then they were suspended, all around the time of the DOS attacks. All I ever used Twitter for was to advertise my businesses, and for fun. Now I don't know where to go.
- DogPatch
It's like my beloved Archie comics romantic twists from childhood! Archie loves Veronica who loves Reggie who loves Betty who loves Archie... ;)
- Shawn Zehnder Rossi
한글 와서~ 루거 .. 당신은 정말 잘 생기고있다 누드 사진 기다리다 :]
- HealingBrush
One of the funniest sad stories I've heard in a long time...
- Aviva Gabriel
Gotta find one who is a lady in public and a whore in the bedroom. One who looks like a woman, but thinks like a man. One who tells you you're the only person in their world and worships the ground you walk on. One who's from Venus but want's to live on Mars. One who you know will always be there even when the chips are down. One who looks like a movie star, but doesn't bust the credit...
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- Jan Simmonds
I think a lot of people LOVE to think negatively and don't want to think positively. They think FB is BAD and will ruin FF, but I think if they do it well, FB won't be the bad guy. I think most people who are irked about this are irked because they think the FFers "sold out" to the "man".
- Molly Song ;)
@Mollyanna - I disagree. I am irked because the future of FF is completely uncertain. It's more likely that FB will let FF flounder and close it down than it is that FB will invest time and resources in maintaining and enhancing FF. FB has other interests and is splitting up the FF dev team. That does not bode well for FF. I don't begrudge the FF devs for taking the money. I would be...
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- Lindsay
@ian - "Wordsmith. Public relations undergraduate at The University of Texas. Feminist Capitalist. WordPress geek. Future commercial rights attorney"...surely that kind of asinine comment is beneath you!
- Jan Simmonds
Hey now, LG, Looney Tunes is frakking awesome. How about Disney buying Pixar? Oh, wait..... (and actually, that one hasn't worked out badly, so is there yet hope?)
- Jandy
++ Jandy -> How about Dreamworks buying Studio Ghibli?
- Tinfoil 2.0
*smacks MVB* How DARE you besmirch tinker toys!!! Oh, and what's up with fiddling with your name, you trying to make me get MDV and MVB confused?
- FFing Enigma
Fwd: @CGPLADY with my dear dear dad....going thru a lot of pain and heartache...please pray our lunch is uplifting thru HIM :) (via http://friendfeed.com/alivein...)
So what are your thoughts on #Facebook's acquisition of #FriendFeed? Do you think it's a good thing, bad thing? What do you think Facebook will bring to FriendFeed, and vice versa? What changes do you see happening to FriendFeed? Will FF be integrated into FF?
Facebook was looking to implement more of a public twitter-style thing, but a lot of users didn't like that it seemed to be making private conversations more public. If they could keep them separate in some ways, this could solve that. This could be the public facing side of Facebook. I think its a good thing.
- Ryan Massie
Not sure how my friends on Facebook will appreciate all the added stuff in my stream if they decide to integrate like that. I wouldn't mind as long as the core friendfeed functionality is there. Along with the search, filters and group features. We'll see, though
- Fox
FriendBook? Facefeed? What will this new marriage be called?
- Manu Ullas
Well, it can only help FB. I don't know what is going to happen to FF. Guess that is what is worrisome. I liked this place.
- Yolanda
It would be great if FB promote FF a lot as FF would get the millions and millions of users from FB. But surely FF will be integrated into FB at some point. I feel very sad atm. I hope I'm wrong.
- Kol Tregaskes
Not sure what comes out of it. Hopefully both services are kept separate as I use them for separate purposes.
- Oliver Bouchard
Yeah, I agree Oliver. I use them both for separate purposes too. Not sure all my friends on facebook would be interested on all my shared stuff on friendfeed.
- Dan Smith
Personally, I think it is the beginning of the end of FF from user perspective. From FF team perspective it is the end of the beginning.
- Dilip Dand
thumbs down .. I would have had it the other way around :)
- Peter Theill
The only good news is that we'll see the end of "Show X new posts" in facebook soon when they adopt friendfeeds real-time feed
- Oliver Bouchard
from IM
I agree with Oliver Bouchard. That's something that Facebook has been lacking for quite a while. And I hate having to reload the whole pig of a Facebook page.
- Manu Ullas
I'm happy for the FriendFeed team, it's great news for them but I can't help think that we can't have the two sites running side by side for too long.
- Kol Tregaskes
I don't like the news, I preferred the two being separate; as far as I was concerned they were 2 separate networks for different groups of people.
- Arthur Guy
congrats to the FF team. They made a great service!
- Peter Theill
I just hope we can export the data before the site closes... that's going to be the biggest sadness... so much content that would be really disheartening to lose if the site closed completely
- Nathan Chase
congrats to FriendFeed! facebook tried to mimic the service with real-time profile updates but the FF technology is apparently too good and UI too smooth that they had to buy it! I'd imagine facebook integrates the technology without using the Friendfeed name so as not to corrupt the native FF community with n00bs
- Andy Sternberg
@cavlec Friendfeed doesn't have privacy problems, because it doesn't have privacy. But it will be a challenge for fb/ff to merge their streams without making the ff stream too private and the fb stream too public.
- Oliver Bouchard
from IM
Oliver... FriendFed has privacy in some very important ways: (1) Private feeds (2) private rooms (3) most importantly... you don't have to cough up any personal information to have an account on FF.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I'm worried that FriendFeed will turn into a walled garden like Facebook. I'm also worried by Facebook's repeated attempts to take ownership of users' content. Plus they don't really have a reputation for responsiveness to user concerns.
- John (bird whisperer)
John I agree with you. The public outcry to the change in their ToS was what made them back off.
- Manu Ullas
logicalextremes: that's true. But friendfeed doesn't by far have as much private information as facebook.
- Oliver Bouchard
from IM
Not sure just yet, I think it will bring more users, but I love the tools that FF provides, not sure that FB will be able to integrate FF into FB interface and still provide access to all the great features that FF offers now?
- Brian
if FB bought FF is because they want to make money out of it. Therefore even if they keep it separate they will put ads on FF. But what I am most scared about is the proliferation of stupid applications and silly games with the only puprose of doing aggressive marketing.
- gibilix
I think it's a bad idea. Twitter is full of automatic spam and Facebook is full or redundant apps. We need an independent platform somewhere to hide from the clamor of social circuses
- Houseofmax
As far as technology, I think they need it mainly for their Social-TV initiative to work, besides the obvious other services they offer. Most people are unaware that they have been continually upgrading their interactive/socialTV service over the last six months. They have already had two pay-per-view events which sold out at $66 a ticket. Facebook kept $22 and the balance went to...
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- Michael Fidler
I'm not very happy about it, but as long as Facebook leave it alone I'll be fine. Where else do we go?
- Simon Tracey
Wish I knew what they were up to. What I wouldn't do to be a fly on the wall in that room!
- Toyota of Bellevue
Don't really know what to think. I use FF and FB for completely different things, so I don't want FF to go away. On the other hand, if FF disappears I'll have a bit more free time until I discover the next cool site.
- Elizabeth
Elizabeth, well said! That's how I feel too.
- Michael Fidler