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- Hummie
People who say you can't follow and interact with tens of thousands of people need to sit next to me for a while. #140conf
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it's all about the tools, baby!
- Dan Parsons
Robert: I certainly can't, as it's merely another part of my day-to-day job. And a small one at that. I do try to interact with as many as I can on behalf of our company, but tens of thousands would likely warrant dedicated person/s (for us, anyway)
- Nick Wade
I don't say *you* can't; I say *I* can't. I can't even keep up with the 400+ I follow.
- Mistletoe Glen
Another thing I have a hard time explaining to friends. Tools & different personalities make a difference. Everybody has different styles, preferences and purposes.
- phil baumann
Robert, you're a machine though! ;-)
- Richard H
Maybe with 3 or 4 screens I might have a fighting chance, but tens of thousands would make my head spin.
- Dave Martinez
practice helps to learn and develop the most efficient methods for your usage requirements
- Mike Chelen
I believe following tens of thousands and interacting is possible. Still would like that seat for a few minutes.
- Doug McCaughan
mixero sounds interesting for the groups/filtering stuff - i could see that being a helpful tool - waiting on my invite...
- Nicholas Orr
Well, Mr. Crunch's accusations aside, I think the real question is whether or not you have time for anything else.
- Mike Shields
Fire up your camera. We'll all sit by you.
- Kreg Steppe
Always good to see video of how you do socialise to this number (and still are able to have a conversation as well as broadcasting one way which is the predominant style for those with large followings.)
- Tom Tubbs
post some video of how you do it, Robert.
- Chris Duffy
Yes, all of those famous videos, how about a day in the life of Robert Scoble.
- Chris Patterson
How do you find the time to do it while doing your own work? Doesn't it get in the way sometimes?
- Alvin
I think it's cool that some people interact with thousands. It is obviously a skill that requires work and a social media passion. If I was at the tech forefront - I'd love to do it just like the scobelizer - maybe it would even just come naturally.
- Ron Hagenhoff
from Nambu
I'm w/ Kreg.. make a video and show us how you manage your time and apps.
- Ben Rodrigue
FriendFeed lists, TweetDeck groups, Techrigy SM2 monitoring
- Susan Beebe
Scoble talks about how he tweets here - http://www.kyte.tv/scoblei...
- Mike Bracco
Let the tools do the hard work for you. Real, functioning search is key.
- Louis Gray
According to Chris Brogan, a meaningful online presence "might take as much as an hour to two every day," so there's hope for those of us who aren't Robert Scoble. http://friendfeed.com/chrisbr...
- Bruce Lewis
Thinking there is a difference between interaction and attention: http://thomasknoll.info/post... Besides, Scoble, you're an anomaly.
- Thomas Knoll
I interact with tens of thousands of customers all day, but I give them my attention one at a time. I think most people confuse the two.
- Thomas Knoll
I would certainly love that seat. I'd also watch 'A day in the life of Robert Scoble' too!
- Alex Hellstrom
Robert, if they don't like your cologne they can sit next to me *giggle*
- Arleen Anderson
with the right tools, tens of thousands perhaps. hundreds of thousands? at what point does it get tough both theoretically and in practice I wonder? surely the tools can evolve further...
- chad calease
I guess I just must be boring to you. You never notice my twits. Oh, maybe there's another reason. If you were *really* following me......
- Hummie
Oh, weird...just realized this makes me impacted by my own blog post and the Brandon Heath song -- give me a heart for the ones forgotten -- see...you have some incredible opportunities awaiting you....and I ask....what are you missing, Mr. Scoble? http://blog.hummiesworld.com/2009...
- Hummie
Robert, has your feeling on this changed now that you have culled the number of people you are following on Twitter to 1400?
- Doug McCaughan
web pages and printed word have allowed interaction among large numbers of people in the past as well, now the quality and speed of communication have also increased
- Mike Chelen
Blog Post: Crafting 101, Tutorial Tuesday: August 4, 2009: Onto Crafting 101 -- where the best artists.. http://www.cardoftheweek.com/2009...
You totally rock!
- Hummie
Wow! That's a nice thing to hear :)
- Susanna Boyd
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What talent!
- Hummie
I hear from good sources that Yelp is coming out with one of the coolest iPhone apps using the compass. Me wants!
Daniel Rowley, Özgür D. Cyric, Kenya Airways and 16 other people liked this
It will be an augmented reality app. Like EVERYTHING is now! XD
- CannonGod
Good for directions, but I still won't read the reviews.
- Mike White
If it has push notifications that sense when you are walking into a place and ping you with a review then THAT'S impressive.
- CannonGod
So, what is it going to do?
- Hummie
Yeah, what Jake said.
- Chris Foley
How do we know Apple is going to approve it? Don't they treat all development program members equal? Just kidding here... (really frustrated with the review process that slowed down significantly over the past couple of weeks, again).
- Ralf Rottmann
Sounds like the (Places directory) app by Google for Android phones, I really like that one :-)
- Alex M.
sounds good, will there be a S60 app next :)
- Anthony Farrior
I wonder if we will hear about that new Dell soon
- Mark
@Alex: I'm definitely impressed with the number of forward thinking apps for Android. iPhone is just a cluster f*ck of apps all badly doing the same thing. I know I just got the new 3GS, but that's only because in 18 months Android will be a VERY tasty proposition :p
- CannonGod
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1... epiclol
- Mark
@Jake: In order to push a notification that you're near a place, the app would have to continually send location updates to your server, meaning the app would have to be either open or running in the background. In other words, not possible with the iPhone SDK (AFAIK).
- Raj Advani
@Raj: A valid point, though I'm wondering if Apple are looking to lower the Push interval from 15 mins to 5 mins (or custom) in light of how much they've pushed Push for OS 3.0. An interesting case study for now would be the Palringo app. They don't yet use Push, but you can close the app down to the Home screen and still get buzzed IM replies in near real-time.
- CannonGod
Right, although the push interval isn't the problem for this particular feature. For something like Palringo, the server can push updates to the phone because the updates are in response to external events (people sending you IMs). In the Yelp example, you're getting notifications as a result of internal events: your phone changing location. It's that step of transmitting location when your app is off that isn't possible yet with iPhone 3.0.
- Raj Advani
It should work on Android as well. Augmented reality apps using the compass and the camcorder mode, those are awesome.
- Charbax
Camera based augmented reality apps have to wait until the release of OS 3.1. Otherwise, a non-camera interaction AR would tread on other company's IP. Yelp should be careful.
- Ryan
I just had a revelation that not everybody that uses social media sites crave conversations or meaningful connections. Some just want to share links with people and that's how they want to use twitter or friendfeed for example. Could it be then that most people who have introvert traits don't really want to connect with people?
Kol Tregaskes, Amber, Random Time Lord, chaz2b and 20 other people liked this
Very likely. I only get into discussions about politics, economics, and religion, which are not most people's cups of tea. I may like other things, but I rarely discus them online. I don't really crave 'connections' with people online, I view them as sources of content.
- Alex Scrivener
I'm an introvert, but I do enjoy a useful conversation
- William Harryman
This is an important thing every person talking or advising about the interactive web needs to understand: different people use it differently for different reasons.
- Patricia
i like discussing music-making and everything that goes along with it. sadly, i have yet to meet anyone in FF or FB or anywhere other than message boards (UGH!) or IRC who is like-minded.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
You are a bit kinder than I am. Maybe I should learn to look at things like you do. However, I see a lot of people that live in their own little world and just don't care about other people. They want themselves to be the spotlot of attention and wouldn't dare give attention to someone else.
- Hummie
Yup, you're assumption is correct. See Forrester.com/groundswell then click on "Profile Tool" to find out why
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, what assumption??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Dead Silence, rooms may help with that. I find it more difficult to have topical conversations when everyone's feed is a mass of all different interests and inputs.
- joey
I don't know that it's just introverts. I'm a strongly expressed introvert, and I love interacting with people online. It's much easier and less stressful for me than interacting offline - although gaining confidence through online interaction has improved my offline confidence as well and I'm far less shy than I used to be.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Jandy - same here - my thoughts exactly! I'm still working on the offline confidence... hoping that will improve as time goes on...
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
i see what you mean but there are also different ways of using social media. Some use it strictly as a way positioning themselves as industry leaders, some for business and some for fun. The strategies are different.
- Violet Mae Lim
Aaah - so true Violet... I have to remember that not everyone is exactly like me or want the same things out of it!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I think you're on to something although I'd never want to concede your last point even though that might be deductively true. For some of us it takes a while longer to open up and 'engage' per se but I'm hoping that its just part of the natural learning curve.
- Adi
Adi - I'd been puzzled over other introverts not wanting to chat even online. I don't understand this since I'd like to connect with other like-minded people, but at this point, it's definitely a mystery to me.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I like connecting, sharing, learning, and don't have a thing to sell you but my smiling mug. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Yea Matthew! :-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I like getting involved in discussions online, but I'm not sure that I really connect.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I fall under the introvert category. I do more sharing of links and content and original thoughts than conversating. I guess conversating isn't a word.
- Holden Caulfield
Have to disagree with the opening statement. Just had an interesting time with some twitter peeps about Friendfeed-aggregated news links. Because the links came into Twitter around ten-to-a-time, my followers didn't like it. Pretty much unanimous they wanted commentary and conversation.
- George Hall (Australia)
Exactly George - that's my thoughts. What happened was I came across one person (and maybe this person is rare), that actually stated that she did not want the conversations, but only wanted to use social media to share info and links. This was quite a surprise to me, as I assumed every single person on the planet would want commentary and conversation. So seeing her disclose that she...
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- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I have gained true friends through the internet. I use it to connect, to discuss common interests and to learn.
- Lis Miller
I'm kind of the opposite, Jannifer. I find that conversation and connection are much easier for me online than in person. I don't get worn out or overstimulated nearly as quickly or easily. And, of course, every day is different. I may be in a silly, frivolous mood today and a more serious mood tomorrow.
- Ladybug Heather
you sound like my boyfriend. great words
- Caroline
Not being an introvert I can't say for sure, however I think that even people with introverted traits would still find happiness from conversation and connecting with others. I know one guy who claims to be shy but is quite outspoken on Twitter, with over 8,000 tweets, very few of them links.
- Garin Kilpatrick
TwitSnaps jumps into competitive Twitter photo sharing space - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
Svartling, Kol Tregaskes, Jannifer @wordsforliving and 20 other people liked this
What the hell is wrong with the word Tweet? I'm running out of pre-printed legal letters.
- Leo Laporte
Twitpic should definitely implement this zoom feature!
- Kris
Haha, so true! @leo
- Sam Houston
Leo, ask Biz - http://blog.twitter.com/2009...
- Mike White
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- meg colombo
Leo is the Twit master, don't you know. How about smile at the BirdySnap instead
- Eran Even-Kesef
Or maybe use something original and more generic, like "social", or "stream", or "micro"
- Jesse Stay
I can't wait for Trademark wars to ensue and when Leo and Iain from TweetDeck all go after Twitter for infringement of *their* trademarks :-) Then what will happen to all these "Twit" and "Tweet" apps when Twitter has to change their name?
- Jesse Stay
Leo: I think a lot of these guys are going to run into trademark issues. If not with you, then Twitter itself. I'll say more in a post later today.
- Robert Scoble
we can still say "twat". right?
- Mike White
Robert, I think TweetDeck has a trademark claim as well - they were using "Tweet" before even Twitter
- Jesse Stay
@Leo, you just can't catch a break... :-(
- Joey Gibson
I'm surprised "twit" is defendable as a trademark in the context. IANAL.
- David Aronchick
Oh, now I get it: Twitter's new business model is suing developers who are using twit or tweet in their apps. Great!
- Kris
I don't want my stuff EVERYWHERE! I'm sticking with Flickr and Youtube. It seems to be working fine for me with my new iPhone.
- Hummie
Domains are getting so hard to find... We use these words to help describe our new-fangled services, we need them! ;) Using tweet/twitter/etc lets a user know instantly that it's associated with Twitter, something that I think they need to know.
- Colin
Colin, I think it's a mistake to just limit your app to Twitter - leave room to expand in the future. Just my $.02...
- Jesse Stay
I think there are advantages and disadvantages to focusing on a service, and focusing on connectivity between many services.
- Colin
i think flickr is a killer for them, but http://twitvid.com is great for videos
- Gaith
Gaith: Twitvid ripped off twitio, which is why I didn't include them in the list.
- Robert Scoble
How so Scoble?
- Colin
Colin: the founders of Twitvid.io explained to me personally how Twitvid.com ripped off their design, their idea, and is run by a venture backed group of five people. I hate it when that happens.
- Robert Scoble
Lots more on the rip off here: http://www.google.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Hmph, sucks I guess
- Colin
Colin, advantage or not, you've still got Trademark to deal with (Twitter, TweetDeck, TWiT.tv, etc. all have a responsibility to defend their trademarks, and WILL fight it in court if they're to maintain those trademarks). Not only that, but you risk Twitter themselves changing their name if they get bought by another company, or completely going under. To me naming your company after Twitter (which is what you're doing) is a HUGE risk.
- Jesse Stay
Life can be risky sometimes I guess, I accept it. I enjoy developing on Apple's iPhone, and on Twitter.
- Colin
Afternoon all, so who are we suing?
- Iain Dodsworth
Colin: it's a stupid strategy to use someone else's trademark knowingly. If you get sued the legal bills to SUCCESSFULLY defend it could put you in bankruptcy. And if you are unsuccessful it gets far worse. Pick an original name. It's not THAT hard.
- Robert Scoble
Iain: I wanna meet up next week in London. Wanna get together? (Iain is founder of TweetDeck). Love the iPhone app!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: bugger...that's some amazing timing - I was hoping to catch up with you, I'll be in SF all week. Glad you like the iPhone app, lots of room for improvement but it's only v1.0 and gives an indication what we're up to :)
- Iain Dodsworth
I don't understand how this is an issue. TWiT, Twitter, tweet, etc... Perhaps I'm missing something.
- Jason Hansen
I want my users to know that my applications are for Twitter, that's almost the first thing I want them to know when they read the title.
- Colin
Robert: also sorry to have missed you in NY the other week, things were crazy with 2 product launches
- Iain Dodsworth
Iain: grrr. When do you get here?
- Robert Scoble
try videotweet.com
- Bala Menon
from IM
Iain how long are you in New York for?
- Jesse Stay
Robert: plane lands in SF Tuesday 9pm
- Iain Dodsworth
Iain: can we meet Sunday? in London?
- Robert Scoble
Hey Jesse, I was in NY for the 140conf now back in London
- Iain Dodsworth
Robert: Sunday in London would be somewhat difficult (it's my birthday and have some things going on at home) - BUT I'll be spending the summer in the valley so we can definitely get together then (a few weeks time)
- Iain Dodsworth
Iain if you end up in the New England area (New York, Boston, etc) I'll be there for a whole month starting in a week. Would love to catch up some time.
- Jesse Stay
Iain: OK, let's get together when you're in the valley.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: good - I'll let you know when I'm there...apologies if this is cheeky - but is there a particularly good place to base myself whilst there...Menlo Park, Redwood City, Palo Alto ???
- Iain Dodsworth
Jesse: sounds good - if I get over to the east coast I'll definitely let you know, would be good to meet up
- Iain Dodsworth
Iain: Twitter is in San Francisco. Facebook is in Palo Alto. FriendFeed is in Mountain View. So, depends where you want to spend most of your time and what you can afford to rent. If funds are unlimited, I'd say San Francisco. More to do at night there.
- Robert Scoble
BTW, Facebook explicitly states in their developer terms no app is to include the name "Face" in its name. You'll be banned from their platform if you're caught. I expect Twitter eventually to do the same (although they are very slow at such moves!)
- Jesse Stay
Give them HELL Leo.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
I like MobyPicture :)
- simone brunozzi
Scobleizer, welcome back to FriendFeed, and you're wrong about there being too many photo sharing services: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis... :-)
- Bruce Lewis
@LeoLaporte Didn't you start Twitter anyway? I thought TWIT and Twitter were one in the same lol
- Justin DeMerchant
Pandemonium: Free Photoshop Elements Digital Scrapbooking Tutorials - http://sandekrieger.typepad.com/my_webl...
Sadly, there are a number of previously avid friendfeeders who have more or less abandoned Friendfeed primarily for Twitter. I have no hard feelibgs but I would love to know the main reasons why...
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- Josh Haley
Twitter is much easier than friendfeed to use from mobile phone. Also, it has a high level of chatter right now, which seems to be drawing people in, even ff users. Of course, not likely to get response from someone who has actually reverted to Twitter . . .
- Chris Rogers
from BuddyFeed
Lack of a FF program for the G1 keeps me on twitter, but I have it linked to FF and vice versa. When in front of a PC I use FF exclusively, when with only my cellphone available I'll use Twitter exclusively. I do not, however, do much communication with others on either service.
- Tsali, The Native of FF
Actually got FF and twitter going n just about quit ecadamy n a few others a big mistake, so try to do them once a day at least, had 6 r 7 accounts now down to 3 r 4 do not seem to need more, When Work starts will probably fix it in 3 main and 1 minor or even less. "Times they are a changing"
- ThatDBD
Who?
- Rochelle
Zee - yep, I have seen that too. They let their twitter feed continue to populate FF, but they no longer contribute to the conversation here in FF.... sad
- Susan Beebe
Social networks are like the tide they ebb and flow. Sounds like a good excuse to make friends with newcomers.
- Davis Freeberg
i'd like a friendfeed client outside of a browser that doesnt use AIR. and more people I know IRL using it as well, or it just doesn't feel like much fun. I'll prolly dork with it a little bit more now that there are themes.
- rob friedman
I haven't seen Patricia Hanrahan in months and her account is gone. :(
- Josh Haley
The guy who got me into FF is now mostly on Twitter - Steve Isaacs. At least he still imports into FF.
- Josh Haley
There may be one other reason -not always pleasant to think about - but some circles of friends on FF appear to be closed. They aren't closed but I've seen entries suggesting this perspective. It's tricky because I've seen people postings that they were unsubscribing to other people, etc.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
from BuddyFeed
I second on LLL and LPH's sentiments. I feel the same and have been participating less & less on my social networking accounts.
- imabonehead
I don't remember whether I used FF or Twitter 1st, but I know I went from Twitter -> FriendFeed & then back to Twitter for short status updates. I'm mostly on Friendfeed now
- LANjackal
more conversation, though even with threaded conversations, it's still harder to follow - wish it were going on here, but it isn't (at least not in psych and Buddhism)
- William Harryman
On the plus side, we can at least still see some of them if they left their FF accounts open and, if need be, contact them via Twitter. That's one of the beautiful things about this service. You can virtually abandon FF if you choose and still be found through it.
- Kamilah Gill
I haven't abandoned Twitter, but it's the other way around for me. There's more engagement here and I prefer that.
- Tamar Weinberg
I'm new to Friendfeed and wish I could get more people to come here as I like the conversations....but I cannot seem to get them to.
- Hummie
@Hummie: I guess FF's one of those services whose value/utility only becomes truly apparent when you get deeply involved in it
- LANjackal
Friendfeed can be kind of hard to break into. Seriously. Some people fart and get 50 responses, while some post decent stuff and get nothing.
- Suburban Oblivion
Friendfeed can be hard to follow if you don't "get" it, also, of those following a whole load of people the speed of the screen auto update can be daunting. I think also it's hard to pick up subscribers here, folks aren't as likely to follow you back here when you follow then, which for people who get an ego boost from their numbers is quite discouraging.
- Paul OFlaherty
@Suburban: As with all communities, you have to invest time and effort to get recognition. It also takes practice in knowing how to post stuff in a manner that grabs attention (pics & comments). I also have a lil theory that regardless of popularity, the average percentage of your friends who actively follow you remains about the same. People who get 30 likes just for sneezing usually have hundreds or thousands of subscribers
- LANjackal
I just looked at my feed, and realized most of my front page stuff is twitter. I took off my twitter feed since I am so active there, and am going to focus on just sharing content here, see if that helps. More content, less noise.
- Suburban Oblivion
The main reason I am spending more time on Twitter and less time on Friendfeed: Twitter permits me to scan much more news more quickly and efficiently than Friendfeed. Friendfeed could address this problem by offering the option to hide all comments and by providing options for more compact displays of posts.
- Sean McBride
Also: something is off about the social dynamics of Friendfeed: it's too cozy, too ingrown, too much like a BBS mainboard with a single community dominating the space. Twitter is much more diverse and much less unipolar. Friendfeed needs a much a broader user base. But Friendfeed is still a valuable and innovative piece of software, no matter how you cut it.
- Sean McBride
Twitter: Diverse but noisy; the chattering, unwashed masses. FriendFeed: Better S/N: less trendy == fewer idiots? Still using both. FriendFeed does need more diversity but otherwise is more useful. (Agreeing with Sean) Twitter is simple enough for an idiot to use, which leads to the inevitable result.
- Andy Dustman
Andy wrote: "Twitter: Diverse but noisy; the chattering, unwashed masses." Nothing could be further from the truth. There are many more high-quality feeds on Twitter than on Friendfeed. That is one of the key reasons I am spending much more time on Twitter these days. You need to explore Twitter feedspace more carefully. Begin by checking out which Twitter feeds the smartest Twitter users are following.
- Sean McBride
I'm much more likely to find someone I'm looking for on twitter than on FF, that's for sure. Case in point, yesterday I was looking for author Robin S Sharma: twitter yes, FF no. Shame really..
- Adrian Scicluna
Sean: Not saying there are no high-quality feeds, but rather that there are a lot of low-quality ones. The total volume of all traffic is much greater than FF from what I can tell. There are gems but there's a mountain of trash too. 95% of the people who try to follow me lately are bots or spammers, another example of Sturgeon's Law in action.
- Andy Dustman
The change to realtime is buzzkilling FFeed for me, personally. I know I could Scobleize my approach to using it, but the system damn well worked damn well before. I can't stand that I'm reading something--doesn't matter how long or short, and it disappears right before my eyes. And once it's gone, it's effectively GONE.I know there's the Giant Pause Button, but really, if I'm gonna...
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- abacab
It's the exact opposite for me. The fact that FriendFeed updates in real-time (no page refreshing, thank God) AND my Home Feed is extremely customizable (i.e. I can be very selective in what appears there) means that I see all of what I care about and very little of what I don't. Also, you *can* link to an individual post (the post time is hyperlinked)
- LANjackal
from IM
LANjackal -- have you tried using the latest version of Peoplebrowsr? Much zippier than Friendfeed.
- Sean McBride
for me, it was mostly the revamp of the UI...at simple as that sounds. I also started using tweetdeck. i still think FF has A LOT of great features (better even than twitter) for conversation
- stanleyyork
Andy -- it's easy on Twitter to follow only the high-quality feeds. 99.9% of Twitter traffic is invisible to me.
- Sean McBride
@Sean: Ummm who said i was complaining about FF's speed? It's eyeblink-fast as is. PeopleBrowsr is a cumbersome nightmare IMO (I don't like heavy webapps). FF + Digsby works perfectly for me as is @stanleyyork: Twitter doesn't even do chronological threading, it's a nightmare from a conversation standpoint
- LANjackal
from IM
I've almost done the opposite. I'm not at Twitter that much anymore. FriendFeed takes almost all of my online time :)
- Patrik Johansson
LANjackal -- by "zippier" I meant that one can navigate more material more efficiently in Twitter via Peoplebrowsr than in Friendfeed. Each right cursor press displays four new Twitter stacks (often, for me, search stacks) with five items visible in each stack -- 20 items per screen. That's damned zippy. And these are all high-quality stacks -- very little noise.
- Sean McBride
Sean: I don't have trouble finding good Twitter feeds. It's harder now that you don't see replies to people not on your follow list, though, and I've been following a lot fewer people since they did that, now that I think of it. I'm only saying there is proportionately more crap there, and more crap-generators trying to get you to follow them.
- Andy Dustman
LANjackal -- I just visited my Peoplebrowsr page, and discovered 15 high-value clickable Twitter links on a *single* screen. Damned slick, in my opinion. Admittedly, it took some tinkering to fine-tune this setup.
- Sean McBride
I mainly use Twitter due to a number of folks I need to follow for news - but I prefer FF if I am in front of the comp. If a good Pre app came out I'd use it all of the time.
- Nation Hahn
LANjackal -- and I am explaining (in response to the question at the head of this thread) why one heavy user of Friendfeed (I've posted nearly 15,000 comments here) is using Twitter more these days and Friendfeed less. I've also offered suggestions on how Friendfeed could trump Twitter in providing the features which are responsible for this trend.
- Sean McBride
+1 mobile phone (NOT iPhone)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I would be able to manage FF a lot better if I could have a dashboard view. I'm a piles person, not a drawers person. If I can't see it, it doesn't exist. Being able to pin topics or people and toggle realtime on those, and keep most of it in view in some fashion, would bring me full-tilt back into FF.
- abacab
One of my issues is that everyone I talk to is on Twitter and the only thing on FF are their tweets! I think it's also difficult for people to follow the feed without a good application like Tweetdeck for Twitter or notification system.
- Karen Swim
Karen, You can use lists and saved searches: much more powerful than TweetDeck ;) + the rather flexable email notifications
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
seriously Zee and I hope I don't appear stupid, I find Friendfeed hard to use
- Patphelan
What I get for ignoring my Google Reader most of yesterday: almost 500 new items to go through. Won't do that again! LOL
Yep...mine gets neglected and pretty bad too!
- Hummie
dh's brother & his family are here visiting...spending lots of time with them instead of doing my reading. dope!
- Nancy Nally
Susanna http://twitpic.com/8wdt5 - The end to a day of tubing Life is good.
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- Hummie
When I drag a song to my device in iTunes, it gets a circle with a line through it...cannot seem to add anything to my phone...frustrated.
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Or if you pick manual manage your music (in options on summary page) then click on the gray triangle next to your device this should show your playlists then just drag your music from your library onto one of your playlists. Hope this helps it works for the touch so it should for the phone Cheers~G
- Groobers
from BuddyFeed
Thanks for helping.....I was frustrated for a while...until I actually clicked on the link to my phone and all the tabs opened up! Then I saw I could set it to manual or to sync folders....then got it. So much learning to do!
- Hummie
What is BuddyFeed that you posted from? Is it something good for FriendFeed and Twitter?
- Hummie
Is there an ap for Friendfeed for the iPhone?
- Hummie
Thanks...I downloaded it, but haven't had a chance to play with it. I want to blog a list of all my favorite aps.
- Hummie
eating pie at my work for my birthday. No it is not my birthday?: 2nd photo http://www.flickr.com/photos...
What are your favorite iPhone applications? I am quickly finding some of mine.
Facebook, of course! Although I cannot figure out how to use the app with my Fan Page. Any suggestions?
- Hummie
Tweetie for tweeting!
- Hummie
Mobile Fotos for uploading to Flickr and viewing at Flickr. I can then connect Mobile Fotos to Tweetie (or other twitter aps) to tweet the photo. I just don't want to use TwitPic....I don't need my photos scattered all over the internet at different sites.
- Hummie
Yahoo Instant Messenger -- although I have to stay logged in I guess...still figuring it out.
- Hummie
I had read it before I got my phone, but thanks to @scribler for reminding me about the new TweetDeck for the iPhone....testing it...seems to work nicely.
- Hummie
There's a reason I follow 100,000 on Twitter and 25,000 on friendfeed: I get to see patterns no one else is seeing. Here's some:
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I saw the Chinese earthquake while it was happening. 45 minutes before CNN.
- Robert Scoble
I see that Bing is gaining steam today.
- Robert Scoble
I saw that people were frustrated on Saturday with CNN.
- Robert Scoble
The Matrix?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: in a way, yes.
- Robert Scoble
I see new software, services, ideas before most other people.
- Robert Scoble
How do you deal with the noise?
- Kevin Lim
How do you filter out all the noise? I find myself constantly unfollowing people to make Twitter more relevant.
- Michelle
I've noticed this effect in just following 40 or 50 more people on Twitter.
- Bill Kinney
And I get to see how they react to news, like Opera's new browser this morning.
- Robert Scoble
The Robert Scoble version of "Google Earth"
- Pete Blackshaw
Big Brother style
- Richard Lai
So that's like "Scoble trends" :) Like Twitter trends, but for emerging events.
- Kirill Petrovsky
Jinx.
- Michelle
Michelle: noise is like the lawn. It lets you see the flowers.
- Robert Scoble
So effectively you start a topic on Twitter, and then use friendfeed as a chat room?
- Richard Lai
i follow almost 60,000 on twitter now and love it. totally agree scoble.
- Jason Pollock
Hoping for some improvements to Tweetdeck groups - just not enough yet
- Kirsten Hamstra
yeah but how do you SEE the patterns, you cannot read them all do you?
- Hans Mestrum
You should be talking about all the spammers on Twitter because that is the trend
- paul mooney
Robert is our filter, we follow robert who sees the patterns and reports it back.
- Ray Slakinski
Here's a hint: I don't always follow 125,000 people. In friendfeed I have lists of only 150 people. THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE NOISE.
- Robert Scoble
He has a socket in the back of his head ;-)
- Richard H
Also, in friendfeed I can remove noise by displaying only items that have gotten a like. Like this: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Thank goodness we have you, Robert, to do that, so we don't have to.
- Jason Mayoff
make sense following "likes"
- Hans Mestrum
paul: spammers don't bother me. They add about as much value as people who tell me they had a jelly sandwich for lunch.
- Robert Scoble
Jeff Pulver Followers every p0rn site and spammer who Follows him, check his Following list
- paul mooney
paul: here's a little trick: I do most of my following in friendfeed. Why? Better friend management.
- Robert Scoble
I also have issues bc what I have to follow for work is very different from what I want to follow, but that is another issue.
- Michelle
Twitter has gone the way of email, that's why Twitter Search doesn't work - the system is overwellemed!
- paul mooney
Bill: actually you only need to follow a few people to get a pretty good look at the good stuff. Why? If something is good everyone talks about it.
- Robert Scoble
Michelle - same issue here! work vs. professional following and juggling multiple accts
- Kirsten Hamstra
paul: it still works for me. I just skip over the spam. My mind likes seeing spam and noise. It helps me see the news.
- Robert Scoble
For the rest of us - just friend Scoble -- you might hear about stuff delayed 5 minutes or so.
- Brian Sullivan
Where do I get one of these neat sockets in the back of my head, I get dizzy just trying to follow 2K people.
- dabitch
All the Twitter marketers are auto-Following the spammers, it's a perfect storm
- paul mooney
paul: in email I don't care about the spam either. I can always scan a page of spam and find my boss' emails for some reason.
- Robert Scoble
reminds me of roy - I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the darkness at Tan Hauser Gate.
- mike "glemak" dunn
Brian: that is true. My like feed at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... is pretty good.
- Robert Scoble
That's why people who don't follow others on Twitter are kinda of missing the point, aren't they? I love seeing when people are being followed by 30,000 people but following 2.
- Curt Mercadante
BTW Robert, props on following the Iran elections. Hopefully this will open our eyes to what has been happening in Egypt, Russia, Pakistan and a host of other countries for decades. If Benezir Bhutto were alive and had been elected like she would have been, we'd live in a different world.
- Michelle
so robert - could you be an android ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Robert: so in a way, if you follows all that people, we actually needs to follow only one person, which is you. here's why: it is most likely that you'll post about the major stuff that you read about in your friends stream - which make you a better filter than any other service around :) (I'm following lots of people too because I simply like to find and read about new and exciting things)
- Orli Yakuel
I totally agree with you Robert. It's like holding your hand into a jet of water and drinking from time to time.
- nik
you need to have the spirit of sharing good stuffs to others, or the good only reaches you but does not spread out.
- K.D.
I cannot get people to join FriendFeed. I even did a video showing them how great it is. I cannot seem to follow that many more on Twitter than 200 and keep up with them. I tried Tweetdeck, but it just used too much RAM for me.
- Hummie
The REAL trick here is that you have a natural gift for scanning with your eyes. I would follow many more people if I could scan (and absorb) information as quickly as you do. Since I don't, I follow you. You are among my first line of defense.
- Bettina Tizzy
All these fortune cookie Tweets are the work of spammers, sooner or later comes the link to the get-rich-quick site
- paul mooney
Robert you are awesome! ★
- weirdchina
@scobleizer I want to see the matrix also... still several K from where you are.
- Robert Freeze
Robert, do you read http://friendfeed.com/public also?
- bnoise
i follow more on ff
- junrxu
Sounds a little like Joey Osmond - Robert I see patterns Scoble? Definitely agree though - there is useful information that can be pulled from the right people's twitter/friendfeed that gives trends developing real time, as long as sea changes over longer periods
- Tom Tubbs
Hmmm, why is http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... faster than http://friendfeed.com/public ?
- Greg Byrne
holy shit robert... i just had my mind blown watching your live friendfeed. this whole time i've been trying to control the chaos... keep people organized into neat piles. wow... wowow
- Eric Nakagawa
You are so right!
- Thomas Chai
@Hummie: I had the same problem with TweetDeck. Try SeesmicDesktop, it has similar functionality but less RAM-greedy
- Ashalynd
Robert do you have a link to the video you did showing 'how' you manage all this information flow? I would enjoy watching it again.
- Matt Perry
here's another interesting search which will show all scoble's friends' items that have at least 1 like: http://friendfeed.com/search... only wish this were realtime
- Mike Chelen
Robert - cool post, excellent comments - same exact reason I embraced FF in early days and stayed here!! Love it
- Susan Beebe
Robert since I have been following you I have done a complete 180 on how I felt about social networking before. I mean the media is fast but social networking works at the speed of thought. Now if I could only figure out how to interact behind the Army & Airforce firewall... I felt lost today at work... LOL
- Nathan McClain
Matt, I think that video is this one: HOw I Read Tweets: http://www.kyte.tv/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Orli the problem with only following me is that I need to sleep once in a while and I also might not follow people you care about. For instance, if you are into celebrities and not technology I totally wouldn't be good for you to follow.
- Robert Scoble
we know what I care about and I'm glad that I'm following you! but I got the point, and I agree of course. I was just kidding I guess..
- Orli Yakuel
Great video. Watching it again now...
- Matt Perry
Yeah some wild connections are made by watching a lot more than a few friends. Wonder why most people don't "get" that? Researchers should follow a ton of people and sources.
- Jack Humphrey
Jack: actually, people should do BOTH follow a ton of people and sources as well as follow just a very select group of people. I wish I could share my groups (er, lists of friends) with you all. THEY are going to be the secret to filtering in the future.
- Robert Scoble
I'm lazy. I use your feed as my pre-filtered source of good/interesting general information. Thanks for doing a lot of the hard work for us (or at least me).
- John Meagher
Robert I think you are 100% correct, but it touches on what people should have already been doing, and that's getting as much information as they can from as many sources as they can and putting the facts together for themselves. I think traditional media's days of fact-less reporting are thankfully numbered. This is truly Fair and Balanced!!!
- Nathan McClain
Robert: People still won't get it. Seeing patterns is a talent or a skill. You can aid it, however, by showing or demonstrating how you filter for patterns. How do you scan messages and discern a pattern? How do you focus on a few without missing the patterns of the many? Might make a good presentation/blog. You probably already did it, right?
- Alan Eggleston
I don't think it requires following 125,000 people to be aware of the same trends.
- stretta
stretta: it does not, but I get to see small things that many people don't.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - and I appreciate those "small things" :) --- they look like startups! and new bright shiny tech toys!
- Susan Beebe
imagine an AI system that can analyze all that data for you and generate illuminating reports...
- Matt Jaunich
Matt: I can and lots of geeks are working on building just that.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the post. I immediately added the "like" search to my saved searches.
- Sean Powell
I follow 60,000 and I see a white light at the end of a tunnel. It's getting closer...
- Rick
You must do this by o s m o s i s....no other way? Intuition and speeed reading.
- Ziona Etzion
Yeah. Robert, I don't read your stuff and I don't know if you're going to read this. But regardless, I know you're well famed and this is the first thing I skimmed across of yours that would indicate that it's deserved. I follow options in the same way., eg almost literally. I have TD StrategyDesk open right now, ThinkOrSwim, Power E*Trade Pro, OptionsXPress, and the regular TD Ameritrade website open as well. Doing this allows me to view and be ware of data and turning points in many views and levels
- Matt Kaufman
Robert: If you could follow all 100,000+ people from Twitter in real time within friendfeed would you?
- Garin Kilpatrick
Twitter is a helpful automatized hammer for the main engine, which is friendfeed ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
I don't see why you couldn't just save a search on everybody's posts with likes on FF though and still follow only those you actually read daily + any protected accts? Even build smarter searches than that. You increase the number of people following you by lots more your way of course.
- Thomas Bøhm
from BuddyFeed
Sorry. The trend watching and analytical part would be the same, wouldn´t it, except that I now see that the saved searches don´t update in realtime. Yet.
- Thomas Bøhm
from BuddyFeed
No doubt...
- Thor
Nice post :-) Two questions though:
- Patrick Mackaaij
1. What sets apart the 100,000 people you "follow" to glance at once in a while from the everyone feed?
- Patrick Mackaaij
2. (a Friendfeed question): Do you still read this since I posted this comment a few hours after the initial conversation.
- Patrick Mackaaij
How did you find so many people to follow? How does an average user find so many to follow?
- Bas
Patrick: I was on stage and couldn't be on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Patrick: the people I follow are usually much more tech interested and demonstrate early adopted behavior than the larger public audience.
- Robert Scoble
Never mind all this. How's Opera? Got a link this morning and thought I might try it (what a surprise, me trying something).
- Francine Hardaway
This is how I tell other people about Robert: http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009... and it's how I'm slowly patterning web learning (when I have time to interact and learn)
- Mark Essel
Scoble Earth(TM), Pete Blackshaw? ;)
- Tyson Key
Robert: Is this a Mandelbrot pattern? The chaos has a look, a feel and a taste, as in the jet of water analogy. You're the freakin' hydrologist with the dousing rod.
- Phil Boiarski
Robert: I was not expecting a real time response but was wondering how you keep track of all conversations you engaged with on FF. How can you see where comments are added?
- Patrick Mackaaij
I'm with Robert, just not with such a big of a scale. My point: I am noise and you are noise. Let's not forget there's a baby in that bathwater before one takes a blanket anti social network view of social networking!
- Mike Lewis
Robert, you are a living, breathing supernode, and I thank you for it :-) (Supernodes: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-95...)
- Andy Bold
makes sense 2 me
- Ron Hagenhoff
OMG Robert I agree 100% BEFORE Twitter screwed with the @replies censoring us from seeing all that people tweeted... I could scroll through my home page and get the pulse of the world on Twitter! A beautiful site! Comparatively now: Twitter is silent.
- Arleen Anderson
Robert, I'm having a jelly sandwich for lunch tomorrow. ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
All major television networks/news outlets should hire Scoble and heed this advice based on this weekends events in Iran. They need to learn how to listen, filter and understand how social media can deliver real-time information around the world.
- E-Advocate Network
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- yazarcizer
What tools are you using to keep track of the all that flows past?
- Inbox2 Team
Yeah, Robert is an Androïd! Each time I'm gotta 'like' 1 of his entries, comment, or visit links, I ask myself if I'm doing this because he is Scoble! Of course not: it's just because he's always pointing on valuable infos. And this is good for IT stuffs, for early adopters, for business.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
So, Scoble proves that the best search & filter engine is Human. (Nah.. I'm not a 'groupie', never will ;-))
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Curt, pple who don't follow others and hope to be followed & heard are obviously wrong. Social Media is not "Ego Media" ;)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Patrick, IMO Robert uses FriendFeed's search to find infos, & FF's email features to keep track of conversations & updates
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
or maybe you also miss some important ones because of the noise: like the patterns known by 99% of the users that have less than 1000 followers? does that make sense?
- Ouriel Ohayon
isn't that a little too much? do you even have time for anything else? Is it worth knowing about an earthquake some 30-40 minutes earlier than most people than spending some time with your real life friends?
- stefan
Stefan, the point is: if you want to spend as much time as possible with your real life friends, you have to be as efficient as possible during the time you spend in front of the computer. The more information you drink in a short time, the faster you can identify patterns.
- Brome
Best answer I've heard for why I'm also ok with following and listening to a ton of people on various platforms: "noise is like the lawn. It lets you see the flowers. - Robert Scoble"
- Leslie Poston
Wow, that's a clever use of the platforms!
- gareth【ツ】
We need information so we can decide while staying in touch with reality. -> Filtering skills, Good Human filter, Good filter tool (FriendFeed).
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
Thierry: thanks I was looking for that indeed! Have changed my settings to see how e-mail works out there but I thought maybe there would be an easier way...
- Patrick Mackaaij
hey it was great to finally personally meeting you and hung out at the diner ; my weblog about the evening now at http://ff.im/45HR3 plus infos about WE LIVE IN PUBLIC premiering now in L.A. and my new video "PERU" @ http://www.youtube.com/watch... ; all the best for the conference today and building43 ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Another FF question: I was under the assumption FF would merge duplicate imports so that conversations like these would remain in one place. If I do a search on a tending topic of today this does not seem to be the case: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Patrick Mackaaij
Patrick, the imports may be duplicate URLs or pictures or whatever, but the conversation around them could be different. I see this as a good thing, and it show me two things. (1) it is an intersection of the different groups and types of people that I subscribe to. (2) it can be different nationalities in different timezones. Ie, of a more global interest. Bothe are good pieces of data for me.
- Andy Bold
from email
@Brom, yes. but there is only so much information one can absorb at a time. 100.000 twitters and 25 FFs? Even half of it is too much for a normal person to take in that fast. Robert MUST be a robot O_O
- stefan
@Andy: I'd rather not see any duplicate URL's and have the conversation take place in one thread. Google Translate can solve the language problem. But my question at the moment was what the current status is. I see it's already discussed here: http://friendfeed.com/susanbe...
- Patrick Mackaaij
how do I follow thousands of people without clicking follow over and over
- Kyle Weller
Kyle: Use friendfeed and click "subscribe"
- Garin Kilpatrick
Kyle: its still required to click subscribe for each user, but those clicks are well spent, and FF also will show posts from friends-of-friends. another good option is to join some groups for subjects that interest you
- Mike Chelen
My whole FriendFeed experience has officially been ruined & soured. This is not a safe place to have a conversation. Too many hateful and overreacting people & crazy drama. I should never have been such a FriendFeed evangelist on twitter. I would not be surprised if I got attacked on this post for saying that.
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Jannifer, I'm getting a little confused. I see that, yes, there were some bad threads this weekend and but it appeared that things had improved or been worked out for the better. What are you hoping to get from this post? I'm not going to attack you for being a FF evangelist on Twitter. I'm a big fan of FF and don't even use Twitter anymore. I think by saying things like "This is not a...
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- CAJ, somewhere else
Curtis - you have obviously not read all of the threads. in different threads (where I was talked about), the comments got hateful and vicious and MY feelings were hurt severely. But what matters is if someone's feelings is hurt regarding friendfeed?
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
It's OK that someone said this to me? - "I'm even more sickened by all the sympathy you got over this bullshit from Sparky and Akiva and Joey and others after the fact. You don't deserve it. I'm sorry you have a disabled kid and so on. One of my own sisters is disabled. You probably won't even see this because you're so fucking sensitive that you block everyone that hurts you even just a tiny bit. GOD I can't stand people like you on here" (will not name the person who said it).
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Oh and theres - "No, you'd just rather spend your time and energy holding on to this concept like a bulldog with rigor and use a Cap'n Crunch decoder ring to think every person and every thread is talking about you and making sure that for all time and all generations operas will be written and children will be told ghost stories about the time someone said it was ok for someone to take 10 minutes out of their day to not think about Iran."
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
This is why it's so important to block people like that...If someone is expressing that level of negativity towards you, you shouldn't stay around them in real life nor on the internets.
- Alex Scoble
curtis - What am I hoping to gain from this post you ask? to saw whatever I WANT to say or express on MY feed, just like anyone else on here. I was a HUGE Fan of FriendFeed and have promoted to the extreme.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
And I'm sorry that you are dealing with this kind of crap. When friendfeed affects you emotionally like that, it's definitely a good time to step back and reassess what you want out of it...Take a break. Find what's good in your life and bring that with you when you decide to be done with the break. We'll all be better for it.
- Alex Scoble
Ignore the "you block everyone" comment. Don't let yourself be goaded into not blocking people who make such comments.
- Bruce Lewis
know what you mean Alex - breaks are good - esp. permanent breaks from people and/or environments that are primarily negative.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I don't remember who all said that I block everyone - I was accused of that by several. Someone mentioned to me that some use a "one strike and you're out" policy for blocking. Sounds like a good idea to me. If i had just erased or blocked the original 2 people who over-reacted to me simply saying that I was annoyed by Facebook when I was posting stuff about Iran and people were posting...
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- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer ,B well ,you will not change the past but for sure you can look for a better future,you must take into account that from 14334 Subscriptions 0.1% are crap,you can control them and ignore ,dont make drama please,,,try to go back and enjoy FF that is a great site and home for a lot of users
- Johni Fisher
Johni - no drama - just standing up against the injustice.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
U will never change no one ,,,forget them
- Johni Fisher
so true johni, so true! Let the forgetting commence! :-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer I too have witnessed some negative bullshit over at BlogCatalog and I made a decision to take my spirit to a better place. If your environment is negative and full of injustice and you speak out and nothing has changed, it may be time to take a break and determine what is really important to you. Sometimes it's futile to argue with ignorant people. Your inner peace will be...
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- Jeunelle Foster
I guess what I had hoped to convey is that these are things that have happened, past tense. Are they hurtful? Yes, it sounds like it. Personally, I would want to put that behind me and hope for the future. Your post didn't seem to do that. Of course, my way is not your way. I just wanted to see the motivation of dragging the negative stuff with you into the present and future. That's MY interpretation of your thread. Alex had it right in that sometimes everyone needs a break.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Curtis - Way too many times my voice has been silenced. The motivation is my own way of exercising my right to have a voice and stand against a long history of oppression. The motivation is simply me exercising my right to have a voice. Exercising this right is a form of therapy I learned from my therapist a while back. Nothing to do with offending anyone who loves FriendFeed....
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- Jannifer @wordsforliving
So I do >this<, you'll keep posting? ;)
- CAJ, somewhere else
Hee hee... yap, yap, yap, yap... [chattering voice ensues]. :-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer: what Alex said. Don't let anyone else tell you how to use your "block" function. Believe me, you won't miss people like that.
- Steven Perez
Yep - I agree Steven! [chatter, chatter, yap, yap yap!] :-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I guess I don't use Friend Feed enought to experience this. What a shame.
- Hummie
Why Facebook is not as interesting as Twitter for businesses:
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I tried to add this photo to the Toyota Prius page. I couldn't. I tried to make a connection. It said "too many connections." (more, keep reading...)
- Robert Scoble
And people wonder why Twitter is more interesting to businesses? Other than fail whales, it's a lot easier to just say "I love my Toyota Prius" there and add my two cents onto a brand. On Facebook? It's a pain in the ass and then everything looks very commercial.
- Robert Scoble
By the way, that's my new 2010 Toyota Prius sitting in front of Facebook's new headquarters.
- Robert Scoble
Congratulations on the new Prius :)
- A. Prem Kumar
Why not just add "I love my Toyota Prius" to that Page's wall, or to your own Wall?
- Jesse Stay
Pretty cool...congrats !!!
- Nir Ben Yona
I think it holeds the key in its simplicity and scalability
- Kuldeep Kapade
Looks nice Robert. Congratulations!
- Parth Awasthi
I had a similar conversation in a comment thread on someone's status in Facebook tonight. I would like to it, but I don't think you could see it.
- Jackson Miller
In an interview that will be aired on June 11 as part of http://www.building43.com Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook's CEO, tells me that he's trying to guide Facebook into letting people have conversations about their favorite businesses. So far I have found it wanting.
- Robert Scoble
Like the white. But man, it looks just like a Civic.
- Brett Nordquist
Brett: except it gets better gas mileage than the Civic.
- Robert Scoble
Brett: and it has cooler geek toys inside.
- Robert Scoble
it's pretty obvious... facebook has to beg for businesses to get involved... twitter couldn't stop the floodgates of businesses signing up if they wanted to
- Travis Kalanick
Yes, and I think yours is better looking than the new Civic or Insight.
- Brett Nordquist
Jesse: that's the thing. I can't add anything to that page's wall for some reason. Let me try again and see if I'm just messing it up.
- Robert Scoble
Robert Facebook does have server issues fairly regularly. They're a lot more intermittent compared to Twitter's though. I've found Facebook to be a bit slow at times, too.
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, still says "Sorry, you cannot create any more connections." Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Fail
- Jesse Stay
But the good news is I see you got the scobleizer vanity URL. I can't even get one of those.
- Jesse Stay
There's also not as good a search platform to find when people post statuses. Even though twitter search isn't reliable it's better than Facebook's.
- Aaron Hood
from BuddyFeed
BTW, I just posted something and it came up. (I was the first fan post oddly - another fail, this one on the part of Toyota)
- Jesse Stay
I put some more photos of my Prius up on my Facebook page here: http://www.facebook.com/album...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: your discussion just made me think maybe we should have a FriendFeed "Photos" section on our private page, so we could store groups of images exactly like in Facebook.
- Nir Ben Yona
I really really want to use Facebook for business - but its so horrible!! I just wanted to create a page with a few apps and I really struggled. They have horrible UI and the concepts make no sense.
- Anthony Feint
Love the new Prius, are you worried that White will show all of the dirt as you dart so quickly from place-to-place?
- Joan Lockwood
Joan: the white isn't quite white, it has a sparkle to it, but I'm not too worried about it showing dirt. I had a black car before and it showed EVERYTHING. Sanat: I told Zuckerberg today that I think Google is his biggest competition. He didn't argue and praised Wave.
- Robert Scoble
Holy cow! Do you have to pull those poor souls (Facebook and Twitter) just to show off you Prius?? I think you should. LOL. Scoble style FTW!
- Toni @ NavinoT
Twitter may be more interesting for businesses but facebook is more interesting as a viable business. Twitter has zero ad income that I can see, whereas facebook does earn some profit, just received $200 million in cash, and Scoble's Prius has.a new parking spot.
- Garin Kilpatrick
is this the new version of the Prius? I think the one they sell in Finland is still the old model...this looks better.
- Davide D'Incau
"Why Facebook is not as interesting as the new Prius" - new title. :-D Seriously, if Facebook wants users to have convos about busines, It'll be a tough time morphing that way. Users that want that already have services (Twitter, for one) to do this...they might have to interlink the service capabilities, not unlike FF. Once they do that, I think they'd have to add a value to that capability to make it worth people's while to use it. Otherwise, it'll remain the poke-ridden high-school/college student world.
- Adam Pilbeam
I just ran into something somewhat related this morning about the "closedness" of facebook. I couldn't share my fiance's pictures of our new puppies without manually copying them one by one and posting them on friendfeed.
- Mark Essel
I cannot wait to get an iPhone so that I can post photos all the time! I'm waiting until the next version comes out in July. At that time, I'll need to know the best ap for posting photos...would like to not have a new one and just use my Flickr.
- Hummie
Hummie, just take a photo on the iPhone and mail it to share@friendfeed.com from your registered email address... Works like a charm :)
- Ross Miller
Ross, when I do that, where does it get hosted? I would want to delete it later. I am going to hold out and get the new iPhone video...I hope...hope it doesn't cost too much...any ideas on cost?
- Hummie
So when I get this :"Sorry, you cannot create any more connections." it's a bug or it's because I can't be a fan of more than 15 pages?
- Kaysha
Total Eclipse of the Heart: Literal Video Version - http://www.youtube.com/watch... (via http://friendfeed.com/jorgebl...)
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Just a little side story I thought you might enjoy. Years ago when I was a wee lass I met Bonnie Tyler well actually my brother believed that he got the eye from her (in his dreams I say ;). The Multi-Coloured Swap Shop visited and we all ran up town clutching our swaps Bonnie Tyler was the singer and when she sang my bro insisted that she was giving him the eye. Me and my bessy mate...
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- Groobers
Wow! - that's a great story Groobers!
- Isha (Marysia)
lol....this total is cracking me up!
- Hummie
It did me too Hummie.. Jorge Blanco found a classic :)
- Groobers
Thank you Jorge!
- Isha (Marysia)
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Oh no!!!!! What a day you are having!
- Hummie
All digital scrapbookers on Friend Feed, please introduce yourself here!
Just sitting here waiting for someone to comment! It's lonely!
- Hummie
You convinced me with your great video...so I joined up!!
- June Schutrups
Yeah, June! Well, there are two of us in this thread! Waiting for more!
- Hummie
I thought friendfeed would be the biggest threat to Twitter but I now see it's Seesmic Desktop. Come here and we'll discover why:
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1. It has list management like friendfeed has. Twitter doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
2. It lets you display both Facebook and Twitter messages.
- Robert Scoble
3. It lets you search both Facebook and Twitter messages.
- Robert Scoble
4. It displays them all better than Twitter does.
- Robert Scoble
5. Friendfeed Support in the works.
- Jimminy Fuller
6. It lets you comment on Facebook postings
- Lee Herman
it sucks all the memory out of my machine. performance suffers. I want to like it. I don't.
- Karoli
5. Seesmic desktop (and TweetDeck, which really does most of the same stuff that Seesmic Desktop does) does DM's better than Twitter or Facebook do.
- Robert Scoble
Are you arguing that a 3rd party twitter application is a threat to twitter?
- Frankie Warren
Karoli: I don't care. I run it on its own machine. It can suck all the memory it wants!
- Robert Scoble
Frankie: I can see a case for that, yes.
- Robert Scoble
It makes it easy to mark spammers.
- Jimminy Fuller
6. What happens when you add all your data into Seesmic Desktop and Twitter is down? Oh, move over to Seesmic's own service!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I don't have that luxury. Plus, it's still a client. How can it threaten Twitter when it needs twitter.?
- Karoli
6B: Twinkle on iPhone already does exactly that. Tweetie has 200,000 plus members who DO NOT NEED TWITTER ANYMORE!!! Update I origionally said Tweetie but it is Twinkle that has its own database. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: It isn't exclusive to Twitter.
- Jimminy Fuller
A twitter client threatens the existence of twitter?!
- Joshua Lee
Karoli: look at Twinkle. They show the way. They have 200,000 people who are on their own service now, even though most of them think they are only on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Only thing that is a threat to Twitter, is Twitter.
- Fake Elmo
I use tweetie. They still rely on twitter's firehose.
- Karoli
Including myself... haha care to elaborate Robert about tweetie
- Frankie Warren
Karoli: wrong. I was just at their headquarters and Tweetie has its own database and can send messages EVEN WHEN TWITTER IS DOWN!!!
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: Tweetie has two databases for each member. One for Twitter. One for its own back end.
- Robert Scoble
robert, to everyone on my twitter lists, including those NOT using tweetie?
- Karoli
Karoli: no, not to everyone. Right.
- Robert Scoble
I really *really* wish they would fix it so we can resize the main display panel .. it is really irritating to see it "squished" while the other panels are resizable
- Steven Hodson
Karoli: but what happens when all your friends are on Tweetie or Seesmic Desktop? Will you care anymore?
- Robert Scoble
I agree with joshua, these are clients, they don't live without the parent service. I don't see how seesmic desktop threatens twitter.
- Nitin Gupta
Stop exposing the secrets of us Twitter developers Robert - you're ruining the plan!
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: sorry. When you all pay me something I'll shut up. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's my point. There is interdependence here. All my friends will not be on one or the other. Blackberry users will use Twitterberry. Twittelator is a player here too. I couldn't give a rip about Facebook -- it's one of those necessary evils i have to have but hate.
- Karoli
Robert: Does Seesmic do the same thing as Tweetie in terms of redundancy?
- Frankie Warren
Nitin: if I got everyone in the world to use Seesmic Desktop why will we need Twitter? Not to mention, why will you pay for "pro" version of Twitter or look at any of its advertising?
- Robert Scoble
Interesting. I said the same thing about tweetie desktop and friendfeed
- Christian Anderson
AIR apps are a mess, but from an HCI point of view, and from a technical point of view. Native apps please. Tweetie is wonderful.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Oooh - I can buy Robert out? ;-) More to my plan for world domination...
- Jesse Stay
Jason... yes, native apps, OR web apps.
- LogEx
You're not going to make everyone use Seesmic Desktop, you'll pry Nambu from my cold dead fingers.
- Joshua Lee
Karoli: I think it's funny you write off Facebook. Looking at the two streams side by side Facebook's is a lot better. There are far better quality people on Facebook in my account than there are on Twitter for the most part. Plus on Facebook there are 225 million. On Twitter? 30 million.
- Robert Scoble
You could twitpay Robert a buck to buy his silence.
- Louis Gray
Robert, your enthusiasm is infectious, but the hyperbole is still a little on the high side...I think Tweetie is an excellent app. I like Loic and Seesmic desktop but won't use it. I use Tweetie for my desktop app now, and it still needs some tweaking.
- Karoli
Robert, I don't write it off. I just hate it.
- Karoli
Joshua: what if Nambu, Seesmic Desktop, Tweetie, and TweetDeck made their own database?
- Robert Scoble
For me, in terms of signal, FriendFeed trumps Facebook which trumps Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Sounds more like someone doesn't like twitter very much.
- Mac Sharp
I agree with Jason. AIR apps look so unnatural. Usability is nil
- Bogdan Costea
The first thing I would do to Facebook is nuke the frackin' IQ app.
- Karoli
Friendfeed is excellent in a browser, but Twitter is awful on the web. Twitter really needs Tweetie.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Karoli: hyperbole is what gets people to engage and think differently.
- Robert Scoble
I don't suppose Seesmic's secret plan might happen to involve an open alternative to Twitter on the back end, would it? If it's a threat to Twitter in that it allows people to use Twitter, Facebook, or FriendFeed interchangeably as a back end protocol...sure... yeah... I can see that. If the idea is Seesmic could swap out their own network? Bah. Don't buy it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, as long as we're clear on the motive, I'm good.
- Karoli
But after all,it is just a client for Twitter and Facebook.
- Steve Chou
from IM
Tweetie is practically the only reason I even feel bad about leaving Twitter
- James Poling
for Windows users bDule is looking to be a serious contender .. still needs work but like Seesmic Desktop it's an alpha
- Steven Hodson
Ryo: have you tried the new Seesmic? I like it as much as Tweetdeck at minimum.
- Robert Scoble
I have moved from TweetDeck to Seesmic Desktop. I am here on FriendFeed, just b/c you invited me to come discuss :) Also, did anyone using SDT notice that you can set up numerous active search columns and you don't hit API limits. thinking that TD used API count for everything from Profile view to search columns? Don't quote me, I'm drinking. LOL.
- Zaneology
Zane: heheh!
- Robert Scoble
Louis, done - Robert, $1 your way via Twitpay and Amazon Payments ;-)
- Jesse Stay
7. It let's you give up all your system resources in a single bound.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
James: there's a new version of Tweetie coming.
- Robert Scoble
i learn so much from being on friendfeed and reading all these brilliant threads! thank u scoble!
- Jason Pollock
I think it's funny how people are writing Seesmic Desktop off as just a Twitter client. It's set up to be so much more all you have to do is look at everything Twhirl had built into it. Freindfeed, Laconi.ca, Seesmic, Twitter, and Identi.ca. It wouldn't be to hard to create a redundant system for it using Laconi.ca.
- Jimminy Fuller
James: and the real battle will be over search. Imagine what Seesmic Desktop can do with comparative searches between Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Rahsheen ++++
- Karoli
Has anyone tried PeopleBrowsr ?
- Zaneology
YES LOVE SEESMIC DESKTOP! B U T ...... it does take a WHOPPING amount of memory for such a small app... at present, I have a dual core 4gb RAM PC... and Seesmic desktop is taking: 98,456k ... actually more than OUTLOOK and EXPRESSION WEB! so... it is good, but maybe this is an Adobe AIR thing of course rather than Seesmic... hey lets face it, Adobe hardly have compact low memory code do they? like the idea.. but because of the memory, cannot justify using it.
- David Sheardown
James: exactly. Zane I like PeopleBrowsr too.
- Robert Scoble
i still think that all this talk of the next thing that everyone will move to is a bit premature... twitter will continue to dominate for some time
- Jason Pollock
Scoble: are you inferring that it will support friendfeed?
- James Poling
But if twitter is down,those clients can do nothing
- Steve Chou
James: Loic says that friendfeed support is coming to Seesmic Desktop. I'll keep bugging him until he does it anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I can't agree more. I'm still using Twhirl for it's filter feature. I can filter my stream so nicely with it to extract data I want.
- Jimminy Fuller
the general public is still getting used to twitter.. us geeks can talk about the next thing until we're blue in the face but its going to be all about twitter for a while and I think we all know it:)
- Jason Pollock
Jason: don't be so sure. Remember a few years ago MySpace was on top of the world. Twitter will probably pass MySpace next year.
- Robert Scoble
To get back to your thesis, the only thing that can kill Twitter is Twitter.
- Christian Anderson
A client is redundant if the service(s) no longer exist! That is like a "chicken or the egg" discussion.
- Allan Besselink
Robert: Told him to make a better user interface by the way,I still don't like Seesmic too much.
- Steve Chou
Robert: I can't wait to see how Loic integrates it into SD. It's much more complicated to fit into that platform than Twhirl's.
- Jimminy Fuller
Robert: i agree that it will be a few years tho.. and by the time twitter is on the decline who knows what will be out by then!
- Jason Pollock
Jason: the general public is going to start seeing that search is very important for them to find people talking about things they care about. I can see a world where Seesmic's search will be better than even friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
I tried seesmic desktop for a view minutes but it was so not intuitive that I quit trying it.
- rick
Loic ignores serious usability issues. I'm not optimistic for him.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Twitter is indeed becoming more popular, I saw a feature on network news about it. If something like twitter is noticed by mainstream media, it's already passed the threshold of being not just for geeks long ago.
- Joshua Lee
Jason: Seesmic Desktop is much more usable than it used to be.
- Robert Scoble
I just installed the latest version
- Jason Wehmhoener
same mess
- Jason Wehmhoener
Lets say all the twitter clients work together to build a common database in laconi.ca.. Will we still need twitter?
- Varun "Maverick" Pitale
PeopleBrowsr seems quite unintuitive to me.
- Chuck Baggett
robert: i agree that real-time search is the the wave of the future and it is the reason that twitter is so dominant right now... too bad the twitter search is always down.. lol.. im definitely going to download the new seesmic right now tho!:)
- Jason Pollock
I'm not sure why adobe air twitter apps are so popular, native apps are much more usable and use less resources.
- Joshua Lee
Robert: track is the key.
- Karoli
Robert, don't all these sources just scream out for common interface pipes? Isn't that the key? Seems like we'll see more and more Tweetdecks, Seesmics, FF, FB Thwirls and Tweeties, all of which will have their pluses, but they all gotta' pass data and interact, like multiple networking protocols going thru a router...right?
- Michael Metz
Twitter has a history of killing it's most popular features. How long until they kill real-time search?
- Christian Anderson
Karoli: track is coming.
- Robert Scoble
If I hear "track" one more time I'm going to scream
- Jesse Stay
Christian: they won't kill realtime search. It's the only way they have of monitising twitter.
- Joshua Lee
/me passes Jesse some Valium
- Steven Hodson
I have track - it's called TweetBeep
- Jesse Stay
Christian: I think they already did ;) try searching for something you've said recently.
- Frankie Warren
Jesse: track, track TRACK
- Karoli
Karoli can I twitpay you a dollar as well?
- Jesse Stay
Christian: Frankie is right. Twitter's search is horrid.
- Robert Scoble
Seesmic Desktop is getting more friendly on system resources with each build - now it will run for days with the very small increase in memory over time
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Twitter is technically mediocre in general, it proves that if you have a good concept, the technical execution is secondary. Unfortunately.
- Joshua Lee
Jesse, sure. :)
- Karoli
I seriously doubt that Seesmic Desktop is going to kill Twitter. Besides the people talking on here now, how many people even know what Adobe AIR is? Or what Seesmic is? Look how slow people were to find out about Twitter. I am pulling for FriendFeed:)
- Shawn Hickman
I still am a little lost... what do these companies gain by building their own phantom networks behind twitter? It's not like they can just flip the switch off on twitter and expect to keep their users. As it stands, twitter is the only thing that links all these different clients.
- Frankie Warren
I love Friendfeed, but i admit...i do not like the name. :)
- Karoli
I actually just switched to it today. Though I wish they would do some interface tweaks, but I'm sure they will over time. Able to move the tweetbox around, and be able to take the menu on the right and make it tabs on the top. Just simplify it a bit.
- Dean Clark
Joshua: the most important thing about social networks is "are the people I want to follow on it?" Nothing else really matters that much. But once they are, watch the tide move.
- Robert Scoble
Shawn: I agree with you, I tried to tell my sister, who just joined twitter, to use a client. She emailed me back like I was some kind of geek! (Well, I am.)
- Joshua Lee
our goal isn't to "kill" Twitter with Seesmic Desktop - but rather to allow you to read/use Twitter along side other sources
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Search is pretty broken right now. when they have trouble scaling, they just kill off whatever functionality is holding them up. Twitter may just become email at some point in the near future.
- Christian Anderson
Twitter is getting easier and easier by the day to compete with - look at us here on FriendFeed. We're not talking about it on Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
Web Apps are the future, downloading will become a thing of the past
- Shawn Hickman
Christian, e-mail is more reliable than Twitter - please no
- Jesse Stay
The big thing slowing down FriendFeed integration is their own API (note: that's my personal opinion and not my bosses :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Frankie, I can see some real advantages to building a phantom network behind Twitter. Starting with not having to rely on Twitter and the somewhat arrogant heads of Twitter who do not give a rip about their users.
- Karoli
Mike: actually the friendfeed team itself told me that. They know they need to simplify the API. I wonder when we'll see that?
- Robert Scoble
Mike, from what I've seen FriendFeed's API is actually more advanced than Twitter's. It's just missing one or two crucial methods.
- Jesse Stay
Christian: Yes, Twitter search is dead. Currently hours missing off the top and after 18 days everything disappears. It's a horrible situation for them.
- Jimminy Fuller
robert: hopefully very soon - there is a lot of movement to happen when that appears
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I can't tell Twitter to only give me certain pieces of data from a user's profile, for instance. I can do that with FriendFeed. They're much more prepared for API scalability than Twitter is, even now.
- Jesse Stay
Mike: what do you do at Seesmic?
- Robert Scoble
robert: ops, messaging (xmpp), infrastructure
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike: awesome. I can't wait until you have friendfeed. That will seal the deal for you guys. Then it's just going to be a race to see who builds the best search display.
- Robert Scoble
robert: (again my personal opinion on SD - I'm a user like you all in this regard) I agree, it's the ability to see and manipulate the various streams that is killer, so not having FF is the pink elephant in the room
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
mentions of 'compete'/'kill' in certain contexts in the comments here sounds kind of petty, encouraging some backwards cut-throat sadomasichism. web 2.0's focus on social networks has facets of co-existence and is mutually beneficial in complementing services. everybody is not necessarily out to kill each other, imo.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Karoli... they would still have to rely on twitter right? Things will get crazy confusing if the applications cant talk to each other. Imagine if verizon phones couldnt call cingular phones and you had to worry about who had what handset... thats where theres a problem with having a Seesmic Network, a Tweetie network etc. EDIT: woah i just said cingular haha
- Frankie Warren
blackfeathers: whenever you see me use the word "kill" it means to take over the momentum.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, Twitter is broken. We were all here a year ago when Twitter's uptime was like 50%. Still, we stayed. Why? Because the people we wanted t follow were there. And people like Jesse were buuling kick ass sticky apps. I don't see that changing.
- Christian Anderson
Being able to use the local twitter search to see tweets within however many miles of a location would be nice *hint* *hint* *hint* That seems to be a part of twitter search many air apps still don't support.
- Dean Clark
Christian: me neither. Although there's a new usage model that is in play that Twitter has not locked up. Especially around search and zeitgeist display.
- Robert Scoble
Christian - thanks for the compliment. Not sure what you mean by sticky though.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: once you start using SocialToo you can't stop.
- Robert Scoble
Dean: Local search would be the shit. It really needs to be implemented
- Shawn Hickman
Let's make a rule right now. Kill = lose momentum leader status. That is what we mean when we say "kill"
- Christian Anderson
Jesse: that's sticky. I call Facebook "velcro" because it has so much sticking power and lots of little hooks that lock you in.
- Robert Scoble
@Mike Taylor .. can we *please* be able to resize the main display panel .. PLEASE
- Steven Hodson
I thought FriendFeed was kind of meh, I didn't realize it had this realtime comment feature. I'll have to use it more often.
- Joshua Lee
Robert: Unless you're me. I cannot abide all those little sticky velcro stupid things.
- Karoli
Joshua: there's a lot of things in friendfeed that lots of Twitterers have no clue about.
- Robert Scoble
Ah - thanks again then Christian - that's quite a compliment! We won't be supporting just Twitter for long though, although if Twitter keeps breaking it keeps giving us new things to do to fix it. :-(
- Jesse Stay
Steven: trust me, I have my own list of UI issues that I remind the SD devs of weekly ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Karoli: oh, really? So if someone tags you in a photo on Facebook you don't look?
- Robert Scoble
Not that I underestimate FB. I don't. It's why I have a presence there. I just HATE. IT.
- Karoli
@Mike Taylor .. well at least I know I'm not alone then :)
- Steven Hodson
Robert, no...I'm the chick behind the camera
- Karoli
I just don't believe in support applications that are unnecessarily hogs as far as memory goes. Yes AIR apps tend to be on the larger size, but look at DestroyTwitter. John Hallman manages to get his AIR client to consume less than 70MB of memory.
- Alex Knight
Karoli: you're a better man than I am then. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Steven: also, if you twitter to @seesmic - our customer team tracks all of the suggestions and gets them to the UI Devs
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike: you should open a friendfeed room, too. It's even better than Twittering @seesmic.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: I have a suggestion, make it look more native on OS X. We Mac users are interface consistency geeks.
- Joshua Lee
Alex - one of the things that bit all of the Air devs in the ass recently was the memory leak caused by the xml parser IIRC - now that was a fun one
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
have not try the seesmic desktop... They are the best if they manage to serve local context too.. (Twitter & Friendfeed, not the 3rd party)
- Pico Seno
They just did. The Mac buttons are now in their standard place on top of the window left.
- Robin Good
Joshua - they are already doing that in small increments - notice the window chrome items changes recently
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I'll have to take another look, especially if you add friendfeed.
- Joshua Lee
Robert - If our customer support guy hasn't already I will make sure he does
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I'm a TweetDeck fan, despite the memory suck on my computer. Tweetie is nice on the iPhone, like new Twitterrific better. Seesmic desktop and Tweetie desktop are just OK.
- Geoff Peterson
Robert, love your velcro example - thanks for the clarification
- Jesse Stay
Mike: cool, I just added you to my secret group for discussing the 2010web.
- Robert Scoble
robert: wow - thanks
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wild 164 comments in 32 minutes. I guess I touched a nerve.
- Robert Scoble
You bet, Jesse. You and your app building Ilk have played a huge part in making Twitter what it is today.
- Christian Anderson
Robert: either that or you trolled a bit, in a positive way. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
Scoble: at the risk of sounding presumptuous can I join in on that 2010web conversation?
- James Poling
Joshua: I was mostly trolling Loic who hasn't shown up yet, which makes it even funnier.
- Robert Scoble
lol secret group... you know how to work this stuff ;)
- Frankie Warren
Robert - that's why i popped in - I know he is doing some family stuff so he's offline right now
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Frankie and Joshua: soon, soon!
- Robert Scoble
Frankie: it has to be an elite group in order for 2010web to become a buzzword, from clique to chic. It's the new pardigm. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
Mike, I hear a blank AIR app sucks up 20MB. If that's true Adobe has some work to do.
- Alex Knight
Joshua: I hated the name "Web 2.0" and am trying to head off the next thing being called "Web 3.0."
- Robert Scoble
Alex - yep - your preaching to the choir on that one :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Yeah, we don't need x.0 - definitely.
- Joshua Lee
2010web .. hmmmm
- Steven Hodson
Mike: thanks for filling in for Loic. His ears must be burning, or will be soon.
- Robert Scoble
i like it (2010 web) just because of the Arthur C Clarke memories it brings up
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert 2010web is too soon you should have gone with 2013web, just past the apocalypse.
- Jimminy Fuller
2010web sounds interesting, but it limits the buzzword for one year.
- Joshua Lee
Getting to the topic at hand, how is a Twitter client a threat to Twitter?
- Alex Knight
hey lets start a 2011 web secret place:)
- Michael Metz
yes thanks Mike and if you open a Friendfeed room add me in please
- Steven Hodson
James: I disagree. Most businesses have sites that look like 1994 so 2010 will be very useable for a long time.
- Robert Scoble
good point Robert
- Steven Hodson
Plus, I always hated the version numbers because the Web doesn't have a version. it's more fashion, like cars.
- Robert Scoble
Well im late (in the half hr this has been posted), but i will say that which ever client has the most interesting and frequent updates will prevail, so this debate could go on and on
- Chris Nwakalo
And it upgrades constantly.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: because these clients secretly piggyback and make their own redundant networks that some think will be able to free the clients of their dependency on twitter. (did i get that right? ;))
- Frankie Warren
Nambu updates fairly frequently. :-)
- Joshua Lee
Hey, Robert - it's Yama - I'll be starting a friendfeed room in a bit, but loving the stream here
- jyamasaki
I'm trying to get businesses to see that if they are using the 1994 web they'll look pretty lame if their competitors are using the 2010 one.
- Robert Scoble
yes. Real-time web might be akin to cold fusion. Guesing vertical and local are the next waves on the web.
- Christian Anderson
Anyway, that's all off topic, back to Seesmic and TweetDeck and Tweetie and all the rest. If they all worked together they could totally take away Twitter's air supply.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is definitely on the cusp of something massive. I'm afraid their infrastructure will quickly crumble though. They haven't even figured out a way to make money yet.
- Alex Knight
i kind of agree w/ james fuller. there's something too gimmicky w/ all the symmetric number schemes up to 12-12-12 - just for the sake of removing oneself from it, 2013 makes sense to me as a new starting point.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I find it interesting that many people are willing to pay or donate to developers making Twitter clients. No one donates to Twitter heh.
- Alex Knight
blackfeathers: if you are appealing to early adopters and developers you are probably right. I'm trying to appeal to normal business people. They understand that the 2010 automobiles are just now shipping (my 2010 Prius should be here next week) and so if they want to get a modern web site they will understand that they need 2010web technologies. 2013 is too esoteric and future thinking for normal people.
- Robert Scoble
Considering how long from the infamous O'Reilly web 2.0 conference to it becoming a popular buzzword web 2.0 became, maybe 2010 is a bit too soon in the future. I'm not sure why I'm trying to help with this buzzword though, considering how much I hate them. :-)
- Joshua Lee
Robert: How would the clients make it clear what networks you're talking to and who actually is able to see your content? For example, If Joe is Twitter+Seesmic and I'm Twitter+Tweetie.... when twitter goes down I can no longer speak to joe...
- Frankie Warren
Alex: that's because Twitter treats us like crap and has $30 million in the bank.
- Robert Scoble
Loic is well positioned to win because he has an honest to God team working on this. They got in early and they've kept a break-neck innovation pace.
- Christian Anderson
Twitter is a platform, Friendfeed and Tweetdeck are apps. Well , Twitter does have a native app, but it sucks big time. I think it's a matter of months that the mainstream twitter users will realize that and there will be a huge explosion in twitter apps usage.
- Kirill Bolgarov
Frankie - that's a routing-around-failure problem that is keeping me up at night to be honest - when I think of what will be needed to do that
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ok, I have to go to bed. One last though before I go, one of the reasons Seesmic Desktop is huge is because it pulls your virtual social life back into one location that can exist on you desktop, and makes it easy to manage from it's interface.
- Jimminy Fuller
its no threat at all - as twitter knows perfectly well, the Platform is everything! Seesmic isn't the platform and never can be as its desktop based
- Anthony Feint
Yeh, that was abit offtopic
- Kirill Bolgarov
Frankie: in Seesmic Desktop I can tell which Window is showing me Facebook and which one is showing me Twitter. Why couldn't I be shown that I can have more features with other people who are on Seesmic Desktop?
- Robert Scoble
Oh suuure Scoble, get me on Friend Feed and already you've declared it passe?
- Brett Schulte
Robert - They should spend the $29 million on their infrastructure and leave the last million to pay salaries :P
- Alex Knight
Robert, is there a way to do a date range search in FF?
- Gary Gannon
Brett: heheh. There's a method to my madness. When I started getting into friendfeed Twitter took off. So, I figured I better find the next big thing so friendfeed could take off. Seesmic Desktop is it!
- Robert Scoble
Alex: I hear the team already took a lot off the table.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: that's why the management isn't in a big hurry to sell Twitter. They already have "FU money."
- Robert Scoble
Gogii is the next Twitter according to @drew... I like it.
- Brett Schulte
I still don't think an app could be the next big thing,after all platform rules.
- Steve Chou
Brett: hmmm. Why?
- Robert Scoble
Mike: do you see like Robert in that you can make a separate network that acts as a Twitter+
- Frankie Warren
Steve: Seesmic Desktop IS a platform.
- Robert Scoble
In all honesty it's easy to bash Twitter's infrastructure when you aren't in their shoes. I know our own company has gone through a ton of growing pains in the past 14 years.
- Alex Knight
Alex: Twitter was crashing when I had 1,000 followers. It's always sucked.
- Robert Scoble
Blackfeather: I'm glad you like the idea, but now I'm seeing Robert's point. The 2010web is constantly changing just like model years. You want to release next years big thing now.
- Jimminy Fuller
Gogii is SMS based and more universal, and allows custom groups.
- Brett Schulte
Frankie - I can't say to be honest one way or the other
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I remember about 2 months that Twitter wasn't crashing in some form or another, when I first started using it
- Jesse Stay
Ff on the iPhone is not handling this string very well.
- Christian Anderson
Mike: Tweetie is using its network of 200,000 people to do lots of interesting things and will be doing more when they roll out their new version.
- Robert Scoble
This is the problem with FriendFeed... 200+ comments from one post. There needs to be a way to flag comments from different users in different ways.
- Jay McCormack
Back in the ole days of twitter when you had to walk 15 miles in the snow, barefoot, in order to tweet...
- Dean Clark
Mike: it'd be interesting to see if you guys choose to make your own database to add even more features. Like location and better search and "offline availability" for when Twitter is down.
- Robert Scoble
i don't know why exactly -perhaps it was the pager days- that makes me see it as yesterday. i skip sms if i can help it.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
robert - understood - I just can't say or comment on anything we are planning or not planning - loic and marco would personally come stomp me into a furry puddle ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
You're right Robert, shit programming is shit programming. It's no excuse to not plan/develop scalable infrastructure. Our company is suffering now because all of our internal systems were writing 14 years ago by a bunch of n00bs.
- Alex Knight
Robert: I'm sure you're not at liberty to say.... but it seems counter productive that seesmic and tweetie race to get an install base of twitter clients to have their own network gain a critical mass... shouldnt they work together :) Or am I being naive again
- Frankie Warren
Jay: I don't see this as a problem. I see it as a benefit.
- Shawn Hickman
Am I the only one that would like to see threaded comments or would that get way too messy?
- James Poling
Seesmic was interesting but I just can't stand listening to the French guy.
- Brett Schulte
Frankie: I wish they would work together.
- Robert Scoble
Brett: heheheh. That's Loic.
- Robert Scoble
brett - well, you can listen to the German guy if you want - he's the Seesmic Desktop lead
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
FWIW, I love Tiny Twitter on my Blackberry. So much nicer than Twitter Berry
- ursi
Robert: He really should get a spokesman people can understand.
- Brett Schulte
@James .. threaded comments FTW!
- Steven Hodson
James: threaded comments would be fun here. I'd love to add graphics and video in here too, but it sure would get messy.
- Robert Scoble
Just say it, Robert. As a former Microsoft employee, you should be able to explain to everyone in three little words how Seesmic Desktop/Tweetie/insert_thirdparty_app_here can successfully kill Twitter should it gain a critical mass of users: "EMBRACE. AND. EXTEND." I'm 26 and even I remember the browser wars. Seriously. Scoble's right on this one.
- Andrew Feinberg
+ for threaded comments, this is hard to follow. Friendfeed should add to their UI and it should highlight comments that mention you.
- Alex Knight
"Even I remember the browser wars" - feeling ancient.
- Brett Schulte
james fuller: considering the target audience & the purpose then it would make sense currently. perhaps i'm thinking of time in a scalable sense of passage.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Andrew: yes, embrace and extend. Tweetie showed me the light. Seesmic is doing similar things with Facebook and Twitter (I have groups in Seesmic Desktop).
- Robert Scoble
I wish there was a button for commenting at the very bottom of this post. I don't like scrolling back up to comment.
- Jimminy Fuller
Alex: follow? Just click the time stamp and stare at the screen!
- Robert Scoble
Nobody remember the losers.
- Steve Chou
James: if you click the time stamp it will open a new window up where the comment window will be at the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
James: pop out the window via the time stamp?
- Frankie Warren
Didn't you use to be big on Twitter Scoble? :)
- Brett Schulte
Robert: Thank you this is so much better.
- Jimminy Fuller
@Brett you should see the crowds he draws in Japan
- Andrew Feinberg
@Brett he used to be big on Facebook too :)
- Steven Hodson
Brett: a very large PR firm told me I have a more engaged audience than Oprah. So, who said I'm still not big on Twitter?
- Robert Scoble
Steven: He's not still big on Facebook? Could've fooled me.
- Karoli
Brett: It gave birth to this chaos.
- Frankie Warren
Does anyone think Twitter buying out one of the big Twitter client products would be good for them?
- Alex Knight
Alex: that would be stupid for a platform company to do.
- Robert Scoble
Alex - even better, Facebook buying out one of the big Twitter clients
- Jesse Stay
@Alex: No. They can barely keep up with their own internal architecture.
- Andrew Feinberg
I think Twitter's plan is to offer premium features like advanced search, tracking, analytics, and bringing back the @ replies everyone complained about recently. They won't give this all away for free.
- Geoff Peterson
Alex: Twitter effectively killed all tiny URL innovation by partnering with bit.ly.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: I think they need to be bought
- Shawn Hickman
Robert I think you said it right there - the only way to truly compete with Twitter as a Twitter developer is to become Twitter
- Jesse Stay
Shawn: but the minute Twitter buys one the other companies know it's over and they'll move their code to a different system.
- Robert Scoble
Do they have a written partnership with bit.ly or did they just switch due to analytics?
- Dean Clark
Robert you coming down for e3?
- Brett Schulte
Dean: from what I understand it's a written partnership. Bit.ly is even on the same datacenter as Twitter is now.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: is that like the scene in Highlander where Sean Connery teaches Christopher Lambert to "Feel the stag..."?
- Andrew Feinberg
Brett: I doubt it.
- Robert Scoble
Sure, someone should buy Twitter but who? I would say what Twitter is doing right now would be a good fit for Google.
- Alex Knight
Andrew, something like that, yeah :-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert: Agreed, but I meant I think they should be bought by another company
- Shawn Hickman
Alex: I talked with Twitter investor Fred Wilson on Thursday. He said that Ev really is adverse to selling.
- Robert Scoble
Ok call me a newbie, but why would it be a bad thing for Twitter to purchase atebits (tweetie)? Wouldn't that just be like hiring people to make their own client? Or is that bad because Twitter should only be focusing on Twitter, and not clients for Twitter?
- Colin
Robert, to your point about search, I would offer this: Even a powerful search isn't enough. There has to be filters. Tracking my name even gives wonky results without filters.
- Karoli
Ok, interesting. Yeah written partnership would certainly kill some people trying to innovate. Few out of work people I think will give you different things a try though, certainly won't be see as widely though since short links are a mainstream feature now.
- Dean Clark
So is Twitter's revenue plan to slowly remove the most popular features and then start selling them back to people?
- James Poling
I heard Robert is buying Twitter
- Jesse Stay
wow, it's been a while since I've been in such a fun tech discussion. I've missed you, FriendFeed!
- Andrew Feinberg
No, Twitter bought Robert. ;)
- Brett Schulte
Karoli: search is equal to filters in my mind.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - EV may not want to sell Twitter, but it may have to happen in the not so distant future. We'll see though.
- Alex Knight
The obvious choice would be google to purchase Twitter, but I'm sure others could work well too
- Shawn Hickman
it's also possible for another company going down to buy twitter for its upward momentum, but maybe not likely.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Brett, no, I just bought Robert - did you see my Twitpay?
- Jesse Stay
I bought his puppet, too
- Jesse Stay
@James: there was no plan. that would acknowledge they added features knowing they'd be popular, and therefore would have built them better.
- Andrew Feinberg
Alex: Ev doesn't have to sell. What's forcing him to sell? I don't see it.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: friendfeed is fun once in a while when you get a topic that rocks and rolls like this one.
- Robert Scoble
Seesmic Desktop is Dead
- Bwana ☠
Andrew: but the real power in friendfeed is in the real time search engine here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - Nothing at all... but the future is untold. He may not have to sell now but it may become a good move in the future.
- Alex Knight
Haha Bwana!
- invariant - farewell FF
LOL @Bwana
- Alex Knight
I heard Google is buying Seesmic Desktop
- Jesse Stay
Bwana makes me laugh.
- Robert Scoble
i do like the search engine. I use it to track current event reactions. I just rarely get engaged.
- Andrew Feinberg
Jesse NOW THAT would be interesting!
- Robert Scoble
I just heard a rim shot coming from Bwana
- Alex Knight
You heard it hear first (might as well claim it)
- Jesse Stay
ergo seesmic desktop is the new rss? lol
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Robert: Conversation you can see is the real power of FriendFeed. Not the disjointed conversation on Twitter.
- Geoff Peterson
bwana - any more lebron pain for you tonight?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Maybe FriendFeed should buy Twitter or the other way around
- Shawn Hickman
So how does Seesmic make money... or does it not?
- Colin
Tweetie is making money.
- Colin
Why don't we all just pitch in and buy them both. How many users between the two?
- Jesse Stay
Colin - Seesmic desktop makes money from other services I believe.
- Alex Knight
Colin: sell a pro version. I'd pay for a version that had friendfeed integration, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
@Jesse. Nice bring me in as an investor
- Christian Anderson
bear - no, I'm somewhat over it...until I turn the TV on
- Bwana ☠
Christian, might still be expensive at what it seems Twitter's asking for
- Jesse Stay
well, I'm off to bed. This was fun, see ya in the morning!
- Robert Scoble
I heard the LDS church is buying the LHC from CERN and using it to go back in time so they can buy Twitter, add everyone's tweets to their genealogical databases and use that to target ads better than google, AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD AHAHAHAHAHA. Right, Jesse? :-)
- Andrew Feinberg
Seesmic desktop runs on AIR. I refuse to use it for that reason.
- nick
Robert I thought you were going to kill Gilmore - you got pretty hot.
- Brett Schulte
Robert: the average person does not equate search/track/filters . Look at Google usage for examples
- Karoli
Colin - I paid for my Tweetie licence but also donated $18 to DestroyTwitter. Love supporting great developers.
- Alex Knight
Andrew, I think my head just exploded
- Jesse Stay
Brett: he can't kill Gillmor. Two would pop up to take his place.
- Andrew Feinberg
hahahaha
- Brett Schulte
Good night. 330 comments. Wild.
- Robert Scoble
Way to be Alex, this stuff isn't free to make.
- Colin
@Jesse: so you don't deny it? :-)
- Andrew Feinberg
fun discussion. The pug insists I leave it. Good night all.
- Karoli
Good night - happy weekend!
- Brett Schulte
Andrew, that one I'll let you make your own conclusions on :-)
- Jesse Stay
(I somehow forgot to work Louis Gray into the conspiracy. But we all know he's there. The question is who will play him in the movie starring Tom Hanks as Ev and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Scoble)
- Andrew Feinberg
/me wanders off to dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I think Microsoft should buy Twitter and make their own Twitter client and implement Microsoft Bob to help you tweet!
- Alex Knight
and don't forget the CGI "Clippy" voiced by Chris Rock
- Andrew Feinberg
Microsoft kills almost every business they bought.
- Steve Chou
from IM
@Steve Chou - Google's record isn't much better really
- Steven Hodson
(too bad Don LaFontaine isn't alive to record a trailer voiceover for Ron Howard's "Twitter/Friendfeed" techno-thriller)
- Andrew Feinberg
So I need a who special box to run seesmic? *rollseyes* So it's like on of those Bloomberg boxes that investment firms have clicking away? And where in my already oversized backpack am I supposed to carry this Seemic machine?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: the bloomberg software can run on any laptop now. but you need a special smartcard with a fingerprint reader that reads a barcode off the screen at the same time.
- Andrew Feinberg
I'm going to look so cool taking up 4 tables in the coffee shop to run all the shit I'm supposed to be running to be truely plugged in....
- Matthew DeVries
@Matthew ROFLMAO .. just like the rest of the cool kids at Starbucks :)
- Steven Hodson
That? That's the PS3 and HDTV just so i can watch Qor.
- Matthew DeVries
I'm going to sit down and deal 5 notebooks out of my back pack like a Baccarat shoe.
- Matthew DeVries
Wow 350 comments. What a massive comment stream. The comment feature makes a huge diff. It facilitates conversation, which twitter doesn't really provide.
- Lawrence Di Stefano
from Nambu
What Twitter's at threat!? It has the momentum of an unstoppable train, as to Seesmic being a threat - maybe, unfortunately it's irrelevant.
- sofarsoShawn
I dumped Tweetdeck after the last Seesmic release. They have such an insane release schedule I don't think people can grasp how difficult it is to roll out the kind of releases they have done back to back.Their version stream just tells me they have bank behind them. When you work from different boxes I don't love the tethered feel of Seesmic however.
- Chad Harris
there is potential for all these services (twitter, Friendfeed, facebook etc) to become secondary to the apps. The more services there are, the greater the need to bring them back together again.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Chad: agree, there is something about SD that I'm not a fan of, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Seems to have lost something from Twhirl somehow
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
@Scoble: Can you disclose publicly here that you are not on a pay roll by Seesmic or Loic LeMeur? Don't you have a PR-advisory deal? Please disclose....
- nikolas
Mike Taylor: "dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed" <- that would be SO great ^__^ (with xdcc support included and stuff...)
- minus-one
Robert is high
- Alejandro
amazing 355 comments - learned a lot about Seesmic in rellation to twitter; thanks for sharing!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Nikolas I have no such deal with Seesmic. I never have been paid by them. I have no investment in them. I don't know where you got that idea but it is totally false.
- Robert Scoble
I just cannot bring myself to install one more thing on my computer to take up needed RAM. Plus, I do not want to install anything on my work computer either...and like to just user browser things that I can use on any computer.
- Hummie
Scobleizer, Wait, Do I hence assume that your assertion is that friendfeed is no more (or, never was) a threat to twitter?
- Lakshman Prasad
Lakshman: Friendfeed I'd not a threat to Twitter, correct. That said it is a threat to http://search.twitter.com
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I like it but --- 1. it is a tool not a place, so i'll stick with FriendFeed as my means to "kill Twitter" and 2. it is a total whorish memory hog and i hate it when that happens.
- Thom Kennon
Yeah it's a memory hog
- Svartling
Robert: Seesmic definitely has potential, but I think that PeopleBrowsr has far more potential and far more power than Seesmic will ever have. As a power user, I'm quite surprised that you haven't taken that tool up, and replaced your Tweetdeck. And I would be surprised if you chose Seesmic to replace Tweetdeck. The search capabilities alone in PeopleBrowsr make me wonder this. Add to...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I would honestly say Seesmic Desktop is more of a threat to Friendfeed than Twitter
- Zee.
Rob: I need to try Peoplebrowsr again. When I first tried it it was too slow and complex.
- Robert Scoble
Zee: one major reason I also haven't gotten in Peoplebrowsr or Seesmic desktop is because, well, it is Adobe AIR and my iPhone doesn't run that (in Seesmic Desktop's case). In Peoplebrowser's case? It didn't do mobile last time I tried it. Friendfeed's search and realtime is keeping me going.
- Robert Scoble
I think we can all agree that twitter was just the first in a line of ever evolving systems in real time news, twitter is the oldest, and will probably be replaced eventually, but surely it doesn't help to keep jumping ship every few months, nothing seems to be gathering as much steam as friendfeed, and it offers huge improvements over twitter, I really think people do need to persist with one service... rather than constantly jumping
- Chris Lloyd
Robert the lack of mobile in PeopleBrowsr is valid, and it is complex, but the light mode makes it much more manageable to start using. The speed has considerably improved since you last used it. We'd love for you to try it again. The AIR version will import your groups from Tweetdeck. Please feel free to ask any questions you have. Jodee is on his way to California now for the conference this week. I hope that you'll have a chance sit down with him and see the improvements.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from f2p
augh, too many comments to absorb. just wanted to throw in my two cents, though. i started with twhirl, then tried out Seesmic Desktop, and then went back to twhirl because i was able to customize the font size for reading the tweets. maybe i didn't dig deep enough, but Seesmic doesn't have that option, and i find the print a wee bit too small for my liking.
- Starshadow Rivaulx
Wow Rob, you are an internet phenomenon. Someone tweeted me the link of this thread followed by "look at the moron, lol". Anyway: If twitter gets shut down, Seesmic will die. If Seesmic dies (gets shut down, w/e), it won't make a dent to twitter. Hence, you are wrong.
- H M Elius
I'm with @guruvan on this, PeopleBrowsr is way better than Seesmic Desktop as a power tool.
- Svartling
Svartling: Thanks! And, you can see by the via on this post, we already have FriendFeed support, and it will improve as well. And, with all the networks that we support, PeopleBrowsr isn't dependent on Twitter. Twitter access is surely the big slice, but we offer the ability to search Facebook, FriendFeed, Digg, Youtube, flickr, and even custom URLs. And, we provide access to Seesmic's network
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
Loic is gonna love this
- David Lloyd
so I go offline for a few hours playing with the kids and Robert launches this conversation when I am quiet and away! Ah! that's fun. If you had written a blog post instead of a friendfeed entry it would definitely be the week-end techmeme headline! Competing with Twitter? Nah I would have to be seriously sick to even think about it. We are just delivering as fast as we can and growing...
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- Loic Le Meur
WOW, what a conversation that was!!
- Micky
Seriously. Robert...I think you just proved the value of (at least) FriendFeed forever more...(And Seesmic too of course!:-)...This is what I get for sleeping, eh?
- Alan Edgett
I still rather prefer Twhirl to Seesmic Desktop. (Twitter + Friendfeed) better than (Twitter + Facebook).
- Adrian Scicluna
The newest SD is much nicer than previous from a functional standpoint. I agree that FF support is a must (as well as Seesmic support). I still do not really like the UI, especially on my EEE PC, but even on the 24" monitor it is not as nice as TD. The functionality is better though so I have switched to SD. Really hoping to have the ability to rename saved searches, it is the searching which is so awesome after all.
- Sean Brady
Robert how about a video showing the features or another interview with Loic? Depraved for Content!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Stephen Pickering
Its PeopleBrowsr not Seesmic
- Webferret
So, what is this stuff from the top of the thread about Tweetie using their own servers? Little Snitch tells me that Tweetie for the Mac is communicating with twitter.com and s3.amazonaws.com. Robert?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason: sorry it was Twinkle. I messed up.
- Robert Scoble
It would sure be ironic if the 'openness' of Twitter's API killed them. As far as Seesmic goes, I wouldn't count on it emerging as the winner. I'm not impressed with it at all, most of the reasons being cited or commonly known. It has a lot of work to do before even attempting FriendFeed integration. I think Nambu has a lot of promise actually
- Angus Burton
Starshadow - I know that better font handling is on our short list - i'll go poke the devs to see if I can move it up a couple notches :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Loic: who cares about getting on Techmeme anymore? Not me. I'd rather just have an interesting conversation. Seems like a few people found it here.
- Robert Scoble
Looks to be the ase doesn't it. I was moving to TweetDeck/Twit but now thininking about exiting ofdf to Seesmic
- James Hemby
Robert, you've got me trying both FriendFeed and Seesmic now from this post. Soon enough I'll be on flttr , even.
- Raj Rikhy
Robert, I love TechMeme, I read it multiple times a day. I agree Friendfeed has very active users. Both are small groups on the web, if these groups are enough for you as a conversation, then yeah it's cool. Friendfeed definitely did not make me stop reading techmeme.
- Loic Le Meur
having said that, yes, Friendfeed is coming to Seesmic Desktop
- Loic Le Meur
Loic: I am inviting a bunch of Web innovators to a private room on friendfeed this weekend. It's amazing how many are already here and signed in. They might not be active, but they are active enough to accept my invitations! Watch for yours soon.
- Robert Scoble
Wow all these comments about seesmic! Well this got me really curious, until now I only used Tweetdeck,tried Peoplebrowser, didn't like it, will give Seesmic a chance now. Want to find out for my self, and once again thanks to friendfeed for these discussions!
- Jacob
I view Seesmic Desktop and Tweetdeck as almost next generation web browsers customized for the social web. Will be interesting to see how that dynamic evolves and how the traditional browsers like firefox will fit into the picture going forward.
- Mike Bracco
Loic: I would love to hear what you feel about my above statement and where you see SD fitting in long term/big picture perspective. If you have a link where you have already discussed this, can you send - thanks!
- Mike Bracco
Mike: agreed Loic "Bloomberg for Social media" sums it up perfectly. Also I am not a fan of peoplebrowser think Steamy is cleaner if you want to go untethered. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
- Chad Harris
from email
Chad: Thanks and makes total sense.
- Mike Bracco
Thanks also ment to type "Streamy" not steamy, thumbs need a diet :) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
- Chad Harris
from email
Seesmic Desktop is too buggy for my liking... and I've tried to like it. Userlists are often completely incorrect... and randomly at that. I don't much care for any of the AIR apps. They just don't "feel" good.
- John
Robert: I'm curious - If Twitter decides to use advertising as part of their business model, how will apps like seesmic etc impact Twitter - if they block advertisements, which are displayed on the Twitter web page? If so many users won't see the ads, how will that hurt Twitter's model?
- Jim Connolly
LOL.
- Mona Nomura
damn! this thread is still going! scoble's threads are epic!
- Jason Pollock
Jim: the advertising money is in search. So, what happens if Seesmic Desktop does a metasearch that uses Twitter, Facebook, and friendfeed to present to you the best possible display? Wouldn't that hurt Twitter's ability to sell advertising? I think it would. The one who is in charge of the display controls where the ads go. The one who has the relationship with the user controls the...
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- Robert Scoble
I like Seesmic's functionality but really dislike the interface. It's all a little clunky and a little ugly. Plus the left panel takes up way too much space. Air apps aren't may fav. Seesmic should look at Tweetie on the mac for design ideas.
- Wo
How do you search Facebook on Seesmic?
- Wo
Didn't read all 400+ comments. Seesmic desktop is poopy compared to Nambu. Try Nambu.
- Jason Mayoff
from Nambu
Robert: I'm waiting on my invite :)
- James Poling
from email
does anyone know how many users are registered on friendfeed ? :)
- Pretty Monkey Studio
It has 103.33 million accounts
- David Lloyd
cool thx mark
- Pretty Monkey Studio
can't believe this thread is still active
- Loic Le Meur
Wow this is still going on?? LOL
- Alex Knight
Jason - Nambu is crash happy, at least Seesmic Desktop doesn't crash.
- Alex Knight
This entire thread is silly and nonsensical. It's one thing to argue the merits of an interface's appearance, but the way this reads is like comparing an orange to orange juice. Seesmic Desktop is the orange juice to Twitter's orange; without the source, you can't have the juice. Or, is Loic planning to create a competing SNS?
- Ari Herzog
Ari... I think the point is you can now drink orange, apple, tomato and grape juice and it all tastes like the same juice. Things like this make 'where' less important than 'what'
- Johnny Worthington
Not the point, Johnny. If Twitter has one of its legendary fail whale attacks, it matters not what juice you're drinking since it ain't there.
- Ari Herzog
Hey Robert, you're attracting again heh!!! Had to take 2 days off after all the fun we had. I LOVE SD, btw.
- Myrna
Twine Is Taking Off, Now Bigger Than FriendFeed http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... (pretty hard 2 believe)
- Ron Hagenhoff
+1 on hyperboles make you think. Just did a twitter search to measure the buzz around twitter clients: tweetie ~70 tweet per hour, tweetdeck ~150 tweet per hour and seesmic ~30 tweet per hour. But seesmic has $12M in the bank and a charismatic leader - It is going to be an interesting fight!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin: TweetDeck also had a multi month lead over Seesmic. That's going to be tough to beat.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yes. The challenge for Loic I think is going to be to carve out a market segment: 1) companies managing their brands and communities, 2) social media power users or 3) normal users. 1) is where the short term revenue is, 2) is where the vocal/buzz people are and 3) is where the mass and long term search revenue. I am not sure that you can design one product which will fit the...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
The future is in a desktop app? Everything else is going web-based, into the cloud, and yet for this alone users will flock to some resource-hog? No way, no how. Be web-based or be content to live with only early adopters.
- Maxwell Kennerly
I'm loving Seesmic desktop - i look forward to what adaptations it will make - I want that friend feed pull-in.
- Robert Freeze
The one thing that I have only seen in Nambu is the unread count. Might be missing something but it is just amazing for having searches in there, for mentions and direct messages. It's just wonderful. And is it not Air which security people will tell you is a major danger spot for hacking.
- Oliver Thylmann
Robert: Thanks for the feedback re Twitter's revenue model. Just a thought, but with this thread having (at this point) 425 comments - is there a chance that FRIENDFEED could be the real competition to Twitter? The quality is already here, just a 'little' light on numbers. Thoughts?
- Jim Connolly
Jim: I think there's something interesting happening here in search and in groups. Those are both places there's potential money, but a lot has to happen before that can happen.
- Robert Scoble
Only if we all get more expensive computers, webcams, etc.
- Prokofy Neva
Robert: Are you referring to FriendFeed needing more active users or for the actual FriendFeed platform to change?
- Jim Connolly
I dont know if Seesmic is a threat for Twitter, but I know Robert Scoble knows well how to create a hot thread.
- Jacque
Jacque: That's what I was thinking. :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Can someone please explain to me how you can search your facebook stream in Seesmic
- Wo
Ari: Not all of these clients are particularly susceptible to Twitter's failwhales. Many features still continue to work, often including search. Some of these clients have backends that cache/queue tweets so even more gets through. So it's not always like having no juice. Furthermore, if you're paying attention to multiple social networks, you're not as concerned or slowed down by one of them becoming inaccessible
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
I've been using Seesmic Desktop for about a week now. I absolutely love it. I have no use for Tweetdeck now. I sometimes use Hootsuite - mostly for their "Hootlet". But Seesmic Desktop is absolutely wonderful in managing my feeds.
- Curt Mercadante
*bumps*
- sofarsoShawn
Gorgeous day At the pool with all 4 kids while hubby at grocery store. http://twitpic.com/5s2rp
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Oh, I'm jealous! I wish I would have went to the pool yesterday -- now the weather is bad!
- Hummie
Ack. I have too many friends on FriendFeed. I can't read this fast!
Kol Tregaskes, TheHenry, Dobromir Hadzhiev and 11 other people liked this
Pause and Filters help a ton.
- Rob
Lists or drink 7 cups of coffee
- Bwana ☠
headache >.<
- Caroline
Lists. Lists. Lists.
- Louis Gray
Moar coffee!
- Gary Bacon II
+1 Louis
- andy brudtkuhl
I'm still trying to figure out Friend Feed! Between you and Scoble....I keep getting sent here, but even this computer savy person is having trouble figure it out!
- Hummie
Lists!! create lists dammit Bwana beat me to it!! LOL
- Susan Beebe
middle mouse click appears to pause refreshes too
- You.
list just means more work, and categorizing people. i only have 4 people in my faves.. why would u force me to make lists? i like everyone in a big giant pile. equal..
- Caroline
Ok, regarding lists. I have a list for my all time favorite posters. And some lists based on different subject areas. The majority of people though, in my home feed, are those that I have no reason to put in one list or another. Am I just to pick 100 random people and put them in "Home list 1" and so forth? Wondering how others are dividing it out.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
It would be a lot more efficient to have a "move to list" or "add to list" button or link right on each message next to the user's name. You could select one list as the destination list, which would be where the move or add function moved or added them to until you selected a different destination.
- Chuck Baggett
In the next hour or so I will pass 37,000 subscribers. friendfeed's growth is accelerating. It is about time to look for a new shiny object. The celebrities will be here soon.
Armando Alves, Frode Stenstrøm, Kol Tregaskes and 96 other people liked this
lol
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
I think 1,000 have followed me this week alone. It's amazing to watch the early adopters catch on to what Louis Gray showed me more than a year ago.
- Robert Scoble
lol....well that proves Robert is the one and only cutting-edge celebrity we all gotta follow! 37k subs on ff is gr8. and i gotta work like a dog to reach even 1k.
- Freddie Benjamin
ugh :)
- Stefanie Hahn
oh please don't say that. oh no. I just got here.
- Rick Fisher
Rick: you're safe for another month or maybe two. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Shhhhh!
- Jeff Betts
How the hell are you digesting all this data, are you a robot in disguise ?
- Ryan Erickson
I wish I had time to figure out friend feed! I'm computer savvy and this one has me stumped! Send me a basic video please! I've got some of the basics down, but the community aspect and how to communicate has me stumped...other than when you send me here from twitter.
- Hummie
Ryan: I have high resolution screens and I type fast. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Isn't that just like a man? Gets your heart all a flutter and then he moves on.
- Sharon McPherson
Hummie: I showed Jimmy Wales friendfeed on Saturday night: http://www.ustream.tv/recorde... -- that might help you (after the first couple of minutes).
- Robert Scoble
You're a machine :)
- Ryan Erickson
No one mention friendfeed to the 'normals'.
- Ryan Whitwam
Have you studied how much conversation celebrities actually have? They might find FF needing more personal maintenance than they want to.
- Yann Ropars
Don't ask me about shiny new stuff. My web development is in a 50-year-old language and its most exciting features relate to a 10-year-old data format.
- Bruce Lewis
Ryan Whitwam: too late. Google is indexing friendfeed posts higher than Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
for the love of all that is geek, no one RT this to K-utcher or O-prah.
- Alachia
Hopefully, friendfeed will have implemented real-time filters before Oprah comes here, also to filter massive amounts of comments coming in by "likes" and algorithms on the "likes" so selections among 1000s of chatters are filtered in real-time to the front for each user while the rest of the conversations are hidden in a personalized way based on their own likes and friends
- Charbax
Alachia: Kutcher came to a TechCrunch party last year. He's the real deal. Oprah? Um, no.
- Robert Scoble
Why would a real geek play the numbers game then?
- Alachia
Someone should create a Techmeme for celebrities... a tool that search and aggregate social media sphere txt and rich media into one stream...
- Yann Ropars
Thanks..I'm watching the link now...I see Friend Feed has changed since I was here last.
- Hummie
Anyway, I know you weren't totally serious posting this. But I do think you could more fully explore the toys you're already playing with. Spend some time on that Site Integration page. You know which one I mean.
- Bruce Lewis
Look for the next shiny object. We'll be here when you get back. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis: if you haven't found a new shiny object yet, it's safe to stay here for a couple more months. :-)
- Robert Scoble
:) who will be the King ff FF, Ashton? or do we graduate to more distinguished folks? sanjaya perhaps
- Samer Forzley
There is nothing shinier than FF.
- Diego Barros
Okay, see...I cannot figure out where the search is that you are referring to!
- Hummie
At least you can "hide" the celebrities in FF. Ooo look, something shiny over there!
- Brian
+1 Louis :-D
- Bruce Lewis
Hummie: The search bar is at the top of the page. Search for a term you're interested in, and on the resulting page you'll notice a red bar at the top with a link "click here to save". Click the link and you can customize and save that search.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Oh geez...HOW did I miss that search box...if it were a bug, it would have bit me! Thanks...going to test the save a search now. If I can figure this place out, I'll be sure to do a video on how to use it on my blog...cause that's what I do...and people expect me to do!
- Hummie
Okay, someone tell me how I make a post on Friendfeed without having one import from another application (twitter, Flickr, etc).
- Hummie
=) It takes a bit of time to get everything (especially now with so many options). There's a group specifically for cool searches you can save, give me a moment and I'll get you a link. Also, there's a FF for Beginners group that might be helpful. Again, just a moment and I'll have you a link. As for how to post: see the text box underneath the search box? Post there.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I think you could co-exist if you really wanted to but then again I totally understand why you're already thinking about leaving FF.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I think you could co-exist if you really wanted to but then again I totally understand why you're already thinking about leaving FF. If you left where would you go?
- John Blanton
from twhirl
FF for Beginners group http://friendfeed.com/friendf... FF Saved Searches group http://friendfeed.com/ffss And Hammie, we're usually a pretty friendly bunch. Let us know if you have any questions =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Thanks for your help, Tina. I think the new interface since I was here last is a big improvement. It's easier to figure out than it was before.
- Hummie
No problem, Hummie =) The new interface is intriguing: people who were really active on FF before started out disliking it (but most have grown accustomed to it). People who didn't connect with FF before really seem to like it. Not sure what that says about the differences in the two user types...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I can recommend to open the users reg. to other sites as well ,for example it can be great to let other sites to get for their users an automatic registration here in FF
- Johni Fisher
Johni, FF has pretty much implemented exactly that. People can log in with their Twitter, Facebook, or Google IDs now.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Yes thats right but lets say that we have an online newspaper that would like to create users here to his users and to have activity ....in my opinion with this pos we can get here much more than just the tech users
- Johni Fisher
I am enjoying friendfeed rightnow since it is safe from undue publicity.
- ashish
Ashish: that will only last a few more weeks, given the growth rate here.
- Robert Scoble
will this result in more maintanence time = offline time?
- ashish
:-)) u r wrong Robert as long that you control the info that u can get u will keep the fun
- Johni Fisher
I suspect the "early adopters" - "celebrities" timeline is an oversimplification. It's quite possible that a year from now, Twitter will have moved from its "Oprah" stage to a post-Oprah stage, which is more accurately reflected by the timeline "early adopters" - "celebrities" - "everybody else." Think of cell phones as an example. There was a period when celebrities and yuppies...
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- John E. Bredehoft
they are already here, I noticed P Diddy and a Khardasian in my friendfeed followers the other day.
- Christi
John: sorry, Twitter won't get "everyone else." They already are on facebook.
- Robert Scoble
its past my bedtime.. I will have to read about it tomorrow.. g'nite :o)
- David Gross
I've passed two kidney stones, but 37,000 friendfreed subscribers? That sounds really painful.
- Ranger Craig
Plurk. The celebrities will never use Plurk. Of course, there are good reasons for that.
- Ken Wallich
I'll keep an eye on the list of suggested users. As long as you are on top, I think this is still a safe Geekdome...(how many users does FF claim?)
- Antonella Stellacci
NO!!!! AGHH!!!!
- Kim Landwehr
Kim: I passed 37,000 a while ago. The growth here is headed up and I got there a LOT faster than I did on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
But aren't most of your FF subscribers also Twitter followers? Add that you're the first face new FF see when they join :)
- Antonella Stellacci
Seriously, though not sure celebrities will want to be on Friendfeed, unless there interested in good conversation, its not a megaphone like Twitter is, which is all the a lot of celebrities want.
- Kim Landwehr
Antonella: most of my Twitter followers were readers of my blog, too. So? That's how I separate out the real people from the bots. The bots stick with what I did yesterday. The real people follow me to the new shiny object when I find one.
- Robert Scoble
Kim: celebrities go where the people are. Just wait.
- Robert Scoble
I fear that this friend feed, twitter followers race is becoming too much for the slightly more tech savvy but still average user to keep up with. Someone looking for a place to connect on multiple topics but doesn't have a blog, start -up or celebrity status (of any kind) to warrant any following other than sheer wit to compete with. I work in hi-tech and love love LOVE all things web...
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- Cyndi Brigham
Robert, they go where the most people go. It'll be a LONG time before they show up here.
- Kyle Sellers
Kyle: wrong. The celebrities are already starting to show up here.
- Robert Scoble
Cyndi: do you know of a group like this on Twitter: http://friendfeed.com/persian...
- Robert Scoble
Filter them out.
- John
The celebs won't know what to do on ff
- Dennis Jackson
Agreed, but I guess that the migration from readers of a blog to Twitter users was slower than Twitter-> Friendfeed which might explain the different timeframe. The next shiny is more than welcome...
- Antonella Stellacci
Thanks Robert, based on this, I think that for what I'm looking for, Friend Feed may be more the route than Twitter...The link you sent was amazing. I don't know that I'd find that on Twitter. Appreciate the response!
- Cyndi Brigham
my friend feed has exploded this week, I think it's a much better listening device
- Jessica Wilzig Gottlieb
James: Kim Kardashian: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
James: Gavin Newsom, who is running for California Governor: http://friendfeed.com/GavinNe...
- Robert Scoble
Jimmy Fallon was rumored to be on here, but I can't find him.
- Robert Scoble
Do you think in a year or so, FriendFeed could take over the space from Twitter, and that Twitter will be sort of the "Myspace" or do you think they will both thrive together, sort of need each other?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I don't see friendfeed taking over from Twitter in next year. I see friendfeed going in a different direction. The money is in search, so friendfeed needs to be a massively better search engine. We're seeing the groundwork for that now, but it'll take a year to make it obvious to everyone.
- Robert Scoble
so abandon ship on Twitter everyone.
- Brad Jackson
re Jimmy Fallon: this one? http://friendfeed.com/jimmyfa... ( couldn't find thru search but just writing the vanity URL with the name)
- Antonella Stellacci
Antonella: heh, I didn't think of just typing in the URL. Yeah, that looks like him. Mostly a clone of his Tweets though.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed WAY more useful no? It's not even close....
- j sven
That makes me too late... I didn't like how Friend Feed was before. Now I don't like how Twitter is and I'm falling in luv/lust with FriendFeed. .. but if the celebs invade, and the "like-ables" like you leave... oh whoa... where shall I go?
- Arleen Anderson
Arleen: don't worry, we'll have plenty of time to figure that out. We've already been sending Louis Gray on scouting trips to make sure we have somewhere to go. :-)
- Robert Scoble
08:00 BST you made it! 37,045 subscribers. Congrats :)
- Anita Hunt
More shiny objects Robert? at least stay until this one gets tarnished ;-)
- Rachel Clarke
Rachel: actually, wait until we get skinning here. Then it'll seem brand new for quite a while. I'm not leaving, just having some fun!
- Robert Scoble
Hummie I'm with you on this. When I first came here I very quickly walked away again, I just couldn't figure it out. I had to get help from my son. There's a lesson there for all of us by the way. And it's possible this "Oh Christ now what do I do?" initial impression is keeping the RiffRaff out. Unlike that other service over there ----> which is real easy to understand.
- Gilbert Harding
we're already here, you just haven't noticed us yet!
- randulo
Is there a list of the most subscribed to people on friendfeed? I'm guessing RObert has to be the most subscribed t0, non-friendfeed employee?
- Jim Connolly
Jim: yes, it's at http://www.ffholic.com/Users...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert!
- Jim Connolly
Gah, I DO NOT want that to happen! I finally got rid of twitter (except for using it with friendfeed) and don't want to have to find something else. Maybe I should start my own social network... *ponders that thought for a second* Nah, too much work.
- MλTT
Robert - I knew you would be top of the pile! I'm in 350th place apparently - w00t!!
- Jim Connolly
Matt: (that really did make me laugh out loud!!)
- Jim Connolly
I'm not sure the celebs with come to friendfeed. At least not in the same way they have with twitter. Twitter is a broadcast medium to most celebs. They want to tell the world what they are doing and build their brand. They have no interest in what their followers are doing. FF appears to be more of a community where discussion and sharing can take place. (i know you know this but just wanted to add my 2cents)
- Jamie Vidamour
@Jamie Apparently not everyone got that memo ;-) http://friendfeed.com/iamdiddy & http://friendfeed.com/kimkard...
- Gordon Saunders
I think FriendFeed is 'just' complex enough to scare the crap out of the celebs. Look at the trouble Oprah had with something as easy to use as Twitter! That said, pretty soon most celebs will have social media companies doing this for them.
- Jim Connolly
<The celebrities will be here soon> Yup .
- JimmyJet
"That said, pretty soon most celebs will have social media companies doing this for them" Jim that sounds like a promising business plan.
- Gilbert Harding
My fear exactly. In fact I wonder if following the latest social network trend will itself become the mainstream media's new news trend. I do believe tech and celebs can live in harmony on the same broadcast platform, but it depends greatly on the management of that platform. Twitter management handled this badly. Recommendations should be based on content, not the number of followers...
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- Keith Barrett
Do you have ghosts like Guy Kawasaki ? How you manage to control all of the streams! 90K+ on twitter, 30K+ from FF.. Amazing.. Really.. I jelaous.
- Jacque
Jacque: I do all my own social media work. No ghosts. I just do what I can!
- Robert Scoble
I wonder what the next new shiny object will be, any guesses or predictions?
- Sally Church
"Next new shiny object"...which is?
- Luciano
Luciano: Louis Gray hasn't figured that out yet, so we have at least six months.
- Robert Scoble
I understand having many subscribers but how do you make sense of the flood of all those you subscribe to?
- Steve Levin
Steve Levin: liberal use of the hide feature and many, many lists and groups...I assume.
- Bob Blunk
Steve - I'm pretty sure Robert did a video a while ago - showing what his feed looked like and how he handled it.
- Jim Connolly
we have some shiny tin cans and some wire... so ...
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Steve: I posted about virtual omniscience of Robert Scoble here: http://messel.typepad.com/my_webl... there's a video of Robert describing it there
- Mark Essel
Actually, Pretty Monkey Studio just gave me a great idea: Create my own social network made out of strings and tin cans that spans across the whole world so that everyone can be connected by voice, rather than text... Wait! That may have a few problems *thinks about the repercussions of creating a social network where people put a tin can to their ear while millions of voices are piped (strung?) in to it*
- MλTT
matt: its easy.. you will have a tin can for each person you are connected to. the others get a lid. and for group chats you just need more people that are sitting next to you in the treehouse :)
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Pretty Monkey: Dibs on that idea! I'm developing a prototype and getting a patent tomorrow :P
- MλTT
just come over to our treehouse and we'll hook you up :D we even have pink tin cans !!
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Nooooo!!! It's MY idea, Pretty Monkey! If this kicks off, you aren't getting any of the profits :P
- MλTT
sry we already have the patent ;) but you could try triangle shaped yellow tin cans for your prototype. Banana shapes are taken too
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Not fair :'( Robert, can you make Pretty Monkey Studio hand over the patent?
- MλTT
Matt: sure, but I charge $400 an hour for playing a lawyer and this will take at least 40 hours of my work and you're still not guaranteed that Pretty Monkey Studio will hand it over. Want to proceed? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I wonder what that point is. When did it start on Twitter?
- Lester Greenberg
Robert: Hmmm, put a decimal point after the 4 and I'm in.
- MλTT
I took several months off from friendfeed to concentrate on my facebook presence. Now that I'm back I can't believe all the changes and growth here. 2008 was the year of facebook, 2009 is the year of twitter, could 2010 be the year of friendfeed?
- Jonathan.Rivera
pfff you guys are only after money. just come over to the treehouse, you'll get a tin can fro free, we can play some blackjack and spin the bottle and have a good time without patents, twithits or the likes and you can explain friendfeed to us :D
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Well, when you're saving to buy your first iPhone, money has a big impact on your actions.
- MλTT
you're a social media creature Scoble :)
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Nooooooooo, say it isn't so....
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
So are companies going to take a stand and disallow celebrities to join services and ruin them or should they change the terms to the we won't reject people based on sex, race, or fame.
- Eric Fisher
Eric: friendfeed doesn't need to do that. They just need to make sure that we remain in control of our viewport and that they minimize the kinds of games humans like to play (collecting followers and gaming systems to see if we can move up a list, etc).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, do you think the next "shiny object" will be a mobile one? Not a device, but a mobile service. Something that works great on all platforms, iPhone, Android, Win, Nokia, etc.
- Mike Lewis
I knew it was always just about the latest shiny object! Now I have proof...
- Andrew Deal
Mike... I hope robert says yes.... that is what I always am pushing @cellecast. ... we got 80% more to develop though, and need community help.
- Andrew Deal
What do you think the effect will be on Friendfeed??
- 77Agency
Mike: if something works great on all mobile platforms it isn't actually great. You've got to optimize for each one, at least in today's world.
- Robert Scoble
Just wait til oprah gets here. :)
- Sami Jones
from Nambu
My guess is that Oprah will be #1 on Twitter in a month or two. She has over a million followers in 28 days without really trying. Aplusk may have more but he also has tweeted more than 40x as much. Look out Scoble, Ashton will probably run here once Oprah takes his Twitter crown.
- Garin Kilpatrick
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