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listening to Haselminutes with @shanselman and @runesoerensen about @appharbor and opinionated clouds http://www.hanselminutes.com/default...
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amazing night, just saw the band 'beach house', they are quite good. http://www.youtube.com/watch... - have a great night all
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This West Wing Week: releasing the 2012 budget and presenting the Medal of Freedom. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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“A Party I’ll Never Forget: The Super Bowl Party at the White House” - http://my.barackobama.com/page...
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Cristiano Fino ® to Cristiano's feed, WinForFeed, Lega nerd, friendfeed-redux, FriendFeed API, FriendFeed Feedback, FriendFeed Feedback (Italiano), FriendFeed Hacks, FriendFeed Talk, Windows Phone 7 Italia
WinForFeed is out! WinForFeed is the first and only Friendfeed client for Windows Phone 7. You can buy or try it on Windows Phone Marketplace: http://social.zune.net/redirec.... The trial version offer a limited set of features but no time limit ;-)
Александра(Lexi), Jammy Lee, Anzai3 and 38 other people liked this
Complimenti!
- it'S. me.
Tell us about the trial version :)
- Marco Rossi
Visit the app page: http://www.cristianofino.net/page...
- Cristiano Fino ®
Going to try the trial version first. If I like it, I'm definitely willing to buy it. Very happy to see a Friendfeed app (from the screen shots and the feature list, it looks 10x better than anything that was ever available for iPhone) on Windows Phone 7.
- Curdy G
Special offer: only € 1,99 (for a limited period of time) on european marketplace and only $ 1,99 on english marketplace
- Cristiano Fino ®
@LolCurtz subscribe to Friendfeed WinForFeed group http://friendfeed.com/winforf... and send all your feedback ;-)
- Cristiano Fino ®
@S.(.it) grazie :-)
- Cristiano Fino ®
from WinForFeed
Just out of curiosity, is there anywhere that lists the differences between the trial and paid versions?
- Curdy G
from WinForFeed
No, for now. Microsoft has approved the application much faster than I expected.I have to write other documentation :-P Basically, you cannot attach image, send DM, send to more one recipient, geolocalize and edit items.
- Cristiano Fino ®
Good enough. Thanks for the info, Cristiano. Played with it a little bit already. Very impressive use of the Windows Phone UI. Feels like a native app. I did notice that, when I clicked the link to get my Remote Key, the browser didn't zoom in automatically when I focused on one of the input fields to login to Friendfeed. The native browser zooms to the width of the input field when you focus on one.
- Curdy G
I know. It's a stupid feature (or bug) of browser component of SDK. You must manually pinch over the textbox :-(
- Cristiano Fino ®
Good job!
- AJ Batac :)
@clock scarica la trial e comunicami le tue impressioni. Sono graditi anche insulti, sputi e pernacchie :-P
- Cristiano Fino ®
(.. costringilo. Usa la forza :-P)
- Cristiano Fino ®
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- Cristiano Fino ®
;)
- ✔ Crino
Don't forget to rate or send feedback on marketplace ;-)
- Cristiano Fino ®
from WinForFeed
segnalo un errore nel testo sul sito: "The trial version don't allows you" non ha senso, puoi scrivere "The trial version will prevent you from..." oppure girare la frase in altro modo, es: "The trial versione comes with some disabled features, but..." :)
- <*DJ'ZUC*> ®
@<*DJ'ZUC*> ® hai ragione. Il mio inglese e pessimo (nonostante mia moglie sia laureata in lingue). A questo aggiungi che ho scritto quel testo alle due di notte :-P Se noti altro non esitare a segnalarmelo, grazie :-)
- Cristiano Fino ®
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Microbiology and Web 2.0: great collection of internet resources for #microbiology, compiled by @Berci - well done!! - http://scienceroll.com/2010...
hlbiotech, Science 2.0, Patricia F. Anderson and 7 other people liked this
This photo is the most common I have seen on the web when microbiology is concerned. It has been used with a press release on one of my papers as well (http://healthnews.uc.edu/news...). The funny thing is I think this just shows a bunch of contaminants in a particular environment. It's a lousy culture
- Ramy Karam Aziz
Yes, it looks like a contaminated Petri dish that they used just to shoot a few pretty pictures. The photo is available on several stock photo websites such as iStockphoto (http://is.gd/fveN9) or Shutterstock (http://is.gd/fvg4A). The author appears to be a photographer called Alexander Raths. Funny, if you click on the photo at the press release you mentioned...
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- Cesar Sanchez
OT but of relevance. One issue that was discussed at Science Online 2010: London was ye olde subject of the image that the general public have of what a Scientist looks like. The example given by the Prof who raised the subject said http://sharp.sefora.org/wp-cont... was the 1st image that appears when doing a Google search. I checked this for myself whilst he was talking and indeed, this is the one he meant <groans>....
- Graham Steel
Ha, you're right! I just Googled "scientist" and these are the first images: http://twitpic.com/2shugj
- Cesar Sanchez
Introducing Donefeed, a master reading list - http://mortenjust.com/2010...
Ian liked this
I wonder if it has a Delicious integration - that's what I really need - a way to mark Delicious items I want to read later, with a reminder system to read or purge after a set time frame.
- AJ Kohn
That was unexpected. Retweet. Retweet. Retweet. Retweet. Retweet. Retweet.
Roger Kondrat, Mark Douglass, Oguz Serdar and 10 other people liked this
Now up to 220. http://twitter.com/louisgr... (Here's my thing... if it hit Hacker News, it was already well known. Why RT like mad?)
- Louis Gray
I want a house with built-in MacBook power cords everywhere.
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I want a house with true wireless power, where that is not necessary.
- Louis Gray
Every wall is a screen... You guys think small :)
- Johnny
I would hope the house would last longer than the latest incarnation of the MacBook power cord connector!
- Ruchira S. Datta
Isn't the point of a laptop disconnected operation?
- Piaw Na
The Problem of Excess Genius - http://www.monad.com/sdg...
Robert Spekkens, Jason Bobe, Mickey Schafer and Ian liked this
"The most important question we can ask of historians is "Why are some periods and places so astonishingly more productive than the rest?" It is intellectually embarrassing that this is almost never posed squarely... The question has never been the focus of professional attention in social history, although its answer would have thrilling implications for education, politics, science and art. "
- Michael Nielsen
"and the reliance upon undergraduates for the gathering of information ensures that, despite substantial efforts at data cleaning, the accuracy of the records is not beyond question." Wouldn't want to be an undergrad research in this guys lab :)
- Dave Bacon
Still got $17k to raise for #diabetes! Here's that disturbing video you love! http://www.youtube.com/watch... pls RT and show friends!
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Mechanical Turk, Low Wages, and the Market for Lemons - A Computer Scientist in a Business School - http://behind-the-enemy-lines....
Cameron Neylon, Ian, Katy S and John Dupuis liked this
Argues that the mechanical turk is a market for lemons: bad workers drive out the good, because good workers don't have any way of signalling that they deserve a price premium, and thus eventually leave. This is problematic in any market, but online markets seem to suffer from it especially badly, because they're relatively low-touch.
- Michael Nielsen
Do reputation systems, as suggested in the comments, simulate a "higher touch" environment. Or is there an opportunity here to provide the coffee rooms that would create more contact? Does that scale?
- Cameron Neylon
Yes and yes and probably, I would say, at least in the sense that they help correct the fundamental problem (information asymmetries in the market). Anything that can help correct that is useful. It doesn't need to be a conventional reputation system or offline meetings, of course...
- Michael Nielsen
Etsy Transaction - hunter orange bearded stocking hat - http://www.etsy.com/transac...
funny
- Igor Poltavskiy
from Bookmarklet
good for robbery:)
- Igor Poltavskiy
Ian, Nicola Codipietro, Nezih DARÇIN and 2 other people liked this
http://cliqset.com/group... bunu da ekleyelim :))
- Erol Demirer
Thanks @louis ;)
- core
Funny: Anyone else notice the Facebook Places logo is a '4' in a 'square' with a pick through its heart? - http://giantrobotlasers.com/post...
Mark Douglass, Iván Abrego, April and 39 other people liked this
*cue spooky music*
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
So is that how you're supposed to kill vampire integers?
- Victor Ganata
hehehe
- Nathalie
a coworker pointed this out to me today and now I can't unsee it. Definitely intentional.
- Chieze Okoye
heh heh heh. They still won't win. Foursquare's got me now.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Infographic matrix: Foursquare vs Facebook vs Gowalla vs Yelp vs BrightKite vs. Where.com vs Booyah vs. Loopt comparison guide - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
gaetano vancheri, Federico Calore, Marco Dal Pozzo [mdp] and 18 other people liked this
good question / domanda valida per il creatore ;)
- Valeria Maltoni
no worries, glad to have given us food for thought.
- Valeria Maltoni
looks like everyone is sharing it now :)
- Valeria Maltoni
"The Internet is not about technology; it's about communication. The Internet connects people who have shared interests, ideas and needs, regardless of geography." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
pastas9, rowlikeagirl, Mona Nomura and 91 other people liked this
Absolutely.
- Mark Krynsky
*salute*
- Mo Kargas
I like it, but I think it doesn't go far enough. The telephone allows you to communicate. But when you hang up the phone the call is gone. The internet has persistent objects that can be manipulated, so it is also about cooperation and collaboration.
- Neil Kandalgaonkar
Technology sure makes that communication much easier, though. Long live Friendfeed!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
FWD: @scobleizer
- directeur
I always thought the Internet was for porn. At least that's what I learned one year at SXSW.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you still owe us (me and Joge) $5000, btw ;-)
- directeur
I think porn falls under the connecting people with shared interests and needs. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
Hmmm -- I think saying the" internet is not about technology, it's about the communication" is like saying driving is not about the car, it's about the journey. I like John Dupuis' way of putting it -- the communication part was an emergent property -- Michael Neilson has interesting things to say on this topic, too, but I've gotta dash so I'll link later.
- Mickey Schafer
YAY, I love the internet. Couldn't agree more. GLOBAL unfettered communication amongst all peoples, socio-economic class, philosophy, etc. is what it's all about; whereas, the technology is there to support the communication layer. THAT is very important in the DESIGN of Information Systems.
- Susan Beebe
The following (wild) question just dawned on me: If in 1440—the approx. year of Gutenberg's press—a global electronic network had magically emerged instead, A) What purpose would the power structure at the time deem for it, and B) How would it actually be used within the first few decades? Hundred years?
- Micah
Eric, :) yes, that youtube vid is a classic.
- Micah
Any relation to Bret? :)
- April Buchheit
Neil: different communication formats have varying values for similar properties, such as bandwidth, delay, and rate of decay
- Mike Chelen
Neil: Good point about persistence, except that Twitter has objects called tweets that last only about 7 days ;)
- Alex Schleber
Alex: one compensating strength is that posts are publicly web accessible, allowing them to be independently mirrored
- Mike Chelen
High communication: words. Medium communication: pictures. Low communication: grunt, poke.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Internet = TV + Radio + Books + Newspapers + Magazines + Telephone + Soapbox + [add your medium] = Media melting pot
- Ciro Villa
Actually, the Internet may be about the incarnation of cosmic consciousness, and may not be primarily about anthropocentric intraspecies communication. I only half jest -- sometimes species are only vehicles that don't necessarily understand their function in the big picture, or what they are birthing. With the Internet, one senses something trying to pull itself together that is bigger than human.
- Sean McBride
let's say it again: it's. com. mu. ni. ca. tion. :)
- Alberto D'Ottavi
+1 Mike Chelen; to Ciro, Alberto -- conflating function, social value, and technology diminishes the ability to understand what the "internet" is/does/could be, etc. The internet is not portable; certain technological devices are. The infrastructure that supports portability is inconsistent; radio rarely is. It's very difficult to "listen" to books using the internet; the internet is...
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- Mickey Schafer
I agree with you 100% - The connections made here can't be made anywhere else! The transparency and accessibility of people, good people, is prevalent!
- Angels In Action
I didn't read all the comments above, but I don't think it's just communication. It's also about knowledge, data, availability of knowledge and data. creativity, etc... I'm afraid with this situation of lots of social networks people are a bit too preoccupied by the community-factor. Internet is more than that. Please don't forget that.
- Ton Zijp
To Mickey: 1. "The Internet is not portable; certain technological devices are." splitting hair...Give me the Internet without the "technological devices" as you call them. 2. "The infrastructure is inconsistent..." Video is video, audio is audio...otherwise the TV is also inconsistent and so is the radio and books, I digress on this one. 3. " And I believe it is actually important to...
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- Ciro Villa
Ton, I agree! Ciro -- As someone who teaches undergrads who have to use technology and the net, I can't afford to be blithe about "they can if they want to". One of my interests is the relationship between discourse and behavior, so for kicks, I conducted a survey last year to get a feel for how students related to tech developmentally. One overwhelming result was that sometime during...
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- Mickey Schafer
I don't agree. Technology IS COMMUNICATION. Please consider W.J. Ong's Orality & Literacy or Pierre Levy's essays. Our literacy is still evolving and that's possible just because we can write (and communicate) with different technologies. So... Nice quote indeed, but wrong.
- Matteo Balocco
Bruce: language, art, and gestures are all forms of communication technology, each of which can be used to greater or lesser effect
- Mike Chelen
Internet is technology, great and simple technologies which work well and so you can focus on communications stuff
- @zaps
Mickey: internet access may not yet be a universal commodity like paper, yet this property can shift rapidly in degree, redefining its qualities. regarding user expectations, to some extent this may be addressed through improved software design, for example google docs automatically save every few seconds
- Mike Chelen
Matteo: is that different from saying that all communication is a form of technology?
- Mike Chelen
Mike, I'm afraid it is different. While communication is a natural competence shared by all the living beings, technology is just an optional layer for just a niche of them. So we may say that all the technologies carry some informations (and we must consider them communication) but certainly not all communication is a form of technology.
- Matteo Balocco
However we agree that this is nothing more than an academic discussion. The quote by Taylor is still really good for some slideshows. :)
- Matteo Balocco
Mickey, thanks for your feedback. I don't disagree with any of your latest observations regarding the importance of keeping machine (medium) and internet (content) separate and the dangers of not doing so...My point was simply directed at the idea that in the context of pure content utilization, the hardware such as the cables (or airwaves) as transport media and content presentation...
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- Ciro Villa
Google hopes to remake programming with Go - http://news.cnet.com/8301-10...
Thomas Amberg, Barry Mitchelson, Marwan Osman and 89 other people liked this
This could be very good! "Google software luminaries such as Unix co-creator Ken Thompson believe that they can help boost both computing power and programmers' abilities with an experimental programming language project called Go. And on Tuesday, they're taking the veil of secrecy off Go, releasing what they've built so far and inviting others to join the newly open-source project."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
What do you think, Paul? I know it's early, but Python latched on at Google... Think this is a response? And just on a lark, do you think Go may be headed for the browser at some point (to replace javascript)? Many of us have wondered if Chrome will take a stab at reinventing/reworking the web stack. Go feels more like a back-end tool, but wondering what came to your mind when you saw this...
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, Python is nice, but we need a new system language, something high-performance to replace C/C++. This may be it.
- Paul Buchheit
Yeah, I was remembering your thoughts from here, Paul: http://friendfeed.com/paul.... Wonder how the ooc folks feel today...
- Christopher Galtenberg
My first reaction was oh yay, another C like language with brackets to make it acceptable. Having Rob Pike and Thompson on the team is impressive but makes me think of a plan9 resurrection. Using CSPs though is pretty cool and it looks like it supports mobile tasks.
- Todd Hoff
"Specifically, Go uses a technology dating back to the 1960s called CSP, or communicating sequential processes, that handles interactions among a set of cooperating programs, Pike said. The technology made an appearance in programming languages such as Occom and Erlang, but it generally hasn't been applied in systems programming."
- Paul Buchheit
If Google uses this for internal projects, that will give it a big advantage over something like plan9 in terms of being practical (not to mention the fact that it's free software, which plan9 was not, and a programming language, not an OS).
- Paul Buchheit
D seems too fragmented to be usable. All my hopes are on Go now :)
- Paul Buchheit
And note that the language is designed to be IDE independent.
- Piaw Na
Plan9 was a set of composable tools. In this case Google is providing the OS and the tools.
- Todd Hoff
Go is NOT an OS!
- Piaw Na
Where's the link to it?
- Gabe
Please ; at the end of lines... (I hate languages without ; for some psychological reasons)
- Ozgur Demir
I am no fan of language features designed to ease parsing but i suppose that's important for a system language? But it's hardly a user (i.e. programmer)-centric design. I think they should have drawn more from Scala (for concurrency model) and Io (for a beautiful syntax) instead of the messy, old languages they chose. Luckily, it's not designed for my needs so i'll never have to worry about it.
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@ozgurdemir I agree. Either require them or don't. Don't make them optional in some cases. It confuses what programmers generally expect of a programming language: consistency.
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Just checked and hated it. Sorry guys, it's not about the rest of the language.. it's just the ;'s.
- Ozgur Demir
while checking it, I noticed how much I love C / Java syntax and how lame to trying to change it just for to make a new product different.
- Ozgur Demir
For god's sake, who cares what the syntax looks like? What matters is whether it solves useful problems or not. It's designed to clean up a lot of the problems stemming from the legacy of C[++], compile fast, execute fast, be appropriate for systems programming, and have good primitives for concurrency. Those are good goals in my book, and they fill a much-needed niche.
- Joel Webber
I do care.
- Ozgur Demir
I thought it was kinda weird the way the video highlighted how fast it compiles. Compilation speed is great, and the vid was impressive, but I've never seen a language launch where that was highlighted so much. "Look, it compiles fast!!!!!! Oh, BTW, we are trying to solve concurrency".
- Nick Lothian
@Ozgur: Sure, but as long as the syntax isn't broken in some way, or ambiguous (VB6 comes to mind), it's surely much less important than what the language is capable of (compile speed, execution speed, what can be expressed, etc). Syntax seems like a distant third- or fourth-most important aspect to me.
- Joel Webber
@Nick: That kind of struck me as well when they first started talking about it. But when you consider that your main alternative is C++, and that compile times can get absolutely brutal (try compileing WebKit sometime -- it takes hours), it makes a bit more sense.
- Joel Webber
@Joel. yea, I can't say you're wrong and I am right.. these are all preferences.. for me, syntax is an important aspect in terms of code readability that's why I care since it becomes a real pain in the ass on a midsize or bigger project.
- Ozgur Demir
This thread is degenerating into rubbish. You know who you are - please stop.
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
@Joel yeah, I guess. But compiling something like that should take hours! Back when men were men and compiling a kernel on my 386 was a major undertaking success was so much more satisfying! Who are these young'uns Thompson & Pike and what do they know anyway!
- Nick Lothian
Yeah, really! Real programmers had to swap disks multiple times to run a Pascal compiler on Hello World for the C64 :)
- Joel Webber
Compilation speeds mean a lot when you're dealing with the google programming model. This is a company that invented code search for internal use. (See as an example: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7613693...)
- Piaw Na
@Piaw - nice example. I only skipped through it, but I can't see why something like that makes compilation speed critical. It seems similar in concept to static analysis - more speed is good, but the lack of speed doesn't break the model.
- Nick Lothian
@nlothian: static analysis and compilation both include parsing. efficient parsing of C++ is rather hard to achieve, due to messy nature of multiply included files and macro substitutions. if code analysis takes hours (ok, half-hours), it ceases to be useful.
- 9000
Lack of speed totally breaks the model. When you can get your analysis and search tools to respond in sub 500ms, the model for coding completely changes. You no longer remember where files are --- you just search for them and expect the search tool to remember for you. This enables massive code sharing, and allows small teams to be extremely effective, since they can now leverage other teams' work.
- Piaw Na
Must be Google..
- ★ Soner Gönül
Why compile time matters: http://xkcd.com/303/
- Robert Felty
Use an IDE for iterative development of the components you are working on, make modules independent through interfaces, do a nightly build so the bulk of build products like libraries etc are available, then these compile issues go away. Justifying based on compile times is so 1990s.
- Todd Hoff
Ah, but how exactly does your IDE allow you to do iterative development quickly? You have to be able to compile individual modules (whatever form they take) quickly enough to make this feasible. If you take C[++] as the de facto systems language, it fails badly on this front, because the only way to share interfaces among modules is via the preprocessor, and precompiled headers only get...
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- Joel Webber
Poor Frank McCabe and his ten year old "go!" language: http://www.reddit.com/r...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
C++ allows for abstract base classes. No implementation. Compose systems this way and you minimize recompilation. And I'm assuming the initial subsystems are developed in a mocked unit tested environment and then within a very narrow scope, so interface changes are minimized until the system test phase is reached. The compilation argument would make sense if they were talking about a...
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- Todd Hoff
Sure, but you still have to define the abstract base class (interface) in a header file somewhere, and individual .cc files end up depending upon a large number of these in practice, so that any change to one of them tends to force you to recompile a lot of object files. As you say, there are some ways of reducing this effect, but in practice large C++ systems end up taking forever and a day to compile (try compiling WebKit; a lot of Google code has this problem as well).
- Joel Webber
C++ templates are also implemented badly, which makes compilation slow.
- Piaw Na
Only if you don't compose your system well Joel. I've worked very comfortably on systems that took 12 hours to compile across a cluster of 32 build machines. I'm not saying I don't want a language where you don't have to go through all these hoops, but to say it's inevitable in C++ is not so, you just have to beat make into submission and not create a big ball of mud, which is good practice anyway.
- Todd Hoff
@Todd: Fair enough -- I'm definitely not saying you're wrong, and I have also worked on fairly large C++ code bases (mostly games) without everything going to hell in a handbasket. But you have to admit that it would be nice if you didn't have to wait many hours (or use a Google-sized build cluster) for compiling your code :)
- Joel Webber
I've worked "comfortably" on projects where the full rebuild time was a few hours on my local machine, but I can't say that I was ever working optimally. Even in the instant-on environment I'm working in now, there are occasionally changes that I have to wait a full build/deploy cycle to test and it almost always takes me 2-5x as long to solve problems in that case. You can multitask while you wait, but it's just not the same (IMHO, of course).
- Matt M (inactive)
I think 12 hours to compile across 32 build machines is unacceptable. I want instant compilation. You know, the kind that Turbo Pascal used to have.
- Piaw Na
Piaw before you say what is or is not unacceptable you might want to take the trouble to know what problem is being solved. Turbo Pascal to a real deployed product like a unicycle is to the 5th fleet.
- Todd Hoff
But any, good, modern IDE compiles incrementally and continuously so there's no noticeable compilation step. Compilation shouldn't be a _highlight_ of a new language. It's nice and the ease of building developer tools is a benefit to uptake but, in the end, the language has to be something developers _want_ to read and write since we have to look at it so much. Syntax matters. It's why so much sugar is added to languages.
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As stated before, modern IDEs don't scale to google-sized code bases. Go is not designed for your tiny projects that fit in main memory. It's designed for large scale development projects.
- Piaw Na
@piaw You seem to assume that Google doesn't organize it's code. Any good project, regardless of size, especially for large projects, should be modularized. If Google has to load every piece of code into the IDE, they have more serious problems than Go will resolve. Trust me, I work on a project with tens of millions of lines of Java code and i've been responsible for analysis and...
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Well, Piaw actually did write a fair amount of the code at Google, so I'd give him a little more credit :) I know plenty of people at Google who *do* use Eclipse/IntelliJ on Google's code base (myself included), but you do have to break it into manageable chunks to make it work. That's sometimes easier said than done, to be fair.
- Joel Webber
I think that time spent pruning and organizing your code and library is best instead spent working on better tools that make your development environment super fast and capable of scaling. That's the way Go was designed.
- Piaw Na
If you want fast turnaround, eliminate compiles all together. There's no reason why a language can't support a double or triple hybrid model. Look at a language like Factor, image based like Smalltalk, you write a function, and can patch it into the live running app instantaneously, where it will run interpreted in combination with compiled code, until the runtime gets around to...
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- Ray Cromwell
I noticed that Go has an interpreter work-in-progress living in its source. The start of an instant-run mode?
- Matt M (inactive)
Smalltalk had a massive sharing problem --- you couldn't ever replicate what was in your Smalltalk image on someone else's machine. Eliminating compiles would be nice, but again, if you're solving problems at a massive scale, interpretation would be an order of magnitude loss in execution speed that you can't afford. That said, a Go interpreter would not be out of the question, or even hard to build.
- Piaw Na
@Piaw - was just reading "Coders at Work" this week and Ingalls (http://www.codersatwork.com/dan-ing...) was saying the exact opposite. He said he pauses his Mac machine and sends his Smalltalk system state over to a Windows developer and they start right up, debug, and fix.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
The point is not to have the production version run in interpretation, the point is to increase developer productivity by allowing a fast edit-run cycle, production builds can take as long as necessary. When you're in development mode, you often don't need full execution speed, you are checking for correctness. Take GWT for example. You can make changes to Java source, hit reload, and...
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- Ray Cromwell
What does production mean? An experiment that processes a large number of records so you can decide how to proceed with your line of research is hardly production, but it nevertheless has to execute fast over large amounts of data. You might think that it doesn't matter how quickly that runs, but the difference between 10 minutes and 100 minutes is huge in terms of productivity.
- Piaw Na
Yes, if you copied the entire image over, you could replicate a smalltalk VM. The problem is, then you have to live with the other guy's image and customizations. Smalltalk is great, but it really was designed as a single-user environment.
- Piaw Na
It depends how often you are running experiments over huge datasets like that. In the case where I needed some experimental data to proceed, yes, if after every edit, you had such an experiment, then maybe programming in a neutered language would be worth it, but I'd say that for the majority of developers, this is not the case, so being able to run unoptimized builds/interpretation...
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- Ray Cromwell
No, it is not for everyone. It's very much for large scale datasets that are encountered somewhat frequently on the WWW.
- Piaw Na
Almost nobody understood my earlier webapp idea, so I'll try again. Imagine you were looking at a website such as FriendFeed and you wanted to create a near pixel-perfect copy but in a way that you could move things around, adjust shadows, etc. I want a tool that makes that easy.
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And without taking screenshots or copying the html, since the point is that it should have the power to quickly create something that looks just like our current ui. Also, it should be web based, because then fonts, etc will be right, and also I hate installing things. My previous attempt at explaining this: http://friendfeed.com/e... (Balsamiq is not what I want). It does not need to produce html though, so it can cheat anyway it likes.
- Paul Buchheit
So you wanna something like "html to png/psd"? Editable graphical interface with layers and stuff?
- Selim Yoruk
No, not at all. My point is that you could look at the the FriendFeed ui (with your eyes) and then create something that looked just like it.
- Paul Buchheit
Fireworks is pixel perfect, correct font sizes and previews image in browser. Yes/No?
- Toby Graham
Are you looking for something like what is mentioned in this article - http://www.labnol.org/interne...
- Atul Arora
Are you want something like web-based rich page editor which works with objects in manner the human see them and want change them?
- gmarketer
I guess it's difficult to explain something that doesn't exist :(
- Paul Buchheit
thats piracy!!!
- Arjun
Paul, I like the idea, it's got merit. There's plenty of tools that do half the job, that is, snip the page. The second part, i'm not overly familiar with the tools out there. The manipulation. I guess you could snip the page, and embed into your tool a js library, like scriptaculous, and attach special event significance to the controls/tags, for moving, dropping, dragging.
- Stu Andrews
I think I get what you mean now and I agree. That's not very helpful but hey. In the mean time you could edit the page live using firebug maybe?
- Toby Graham
It seems to me like you want the Visual Studio Win Forms designer for web apps hosted and served to designers as a web app. Drag and drop elements onto the page and adjust their properties in a property grid. Then send a link to others so you can share your concept.
- Eric Schoonover
For this, I use simple vector graphics editing app, like Xara or InkScape - I just make screenshots and use them as raw building blocks - usually I cut out from them small elements like controls/text-blocks/images/etc... In vector graphics enironment managing such kind of blocks is much more easier than in photoshop.
- philsmirnov
remembers that this idea has been described by David Siegel in 1997 in his book : Creating Killer Web Sites (http://tinyurl.com/5skw63)
- Oaksun
Paul, i think the edit-page command on ubiquity with the ability to: visually edit css and publish the changes is close to what you are describing.
- Ian
Eric pretty much nailed the description of the dream tool that I think Paul was asking for. In my dream the web app is truly collaborative and has an active GUI. So you can adjust those properties using a mouse or tablet and anyone else on your design team can watch as you do it so they can make suggestions and modifications as you work.
- David Muir
Let's say you want to make a mockup of FriendFeed called "FriendFood". You want it to generally have the same layout, only the top blue bar will actually have a background made of lasagna and a font that is made of French fries, and what shows on the page is everything people write about food on the regular FF, like "pasta OR bean OR potato OR steak". But you'd like someone to be able to do that from the web and without messing into much coding. Is that it?
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
I use OmniGraffle for this purpose.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Could you achieve it by using Firebug and tweaking the CSS?
- Shakeel Mahate
So something with the usability of say, omnigraffle, but that only used webkit for its rendering. With text controlled and positioned by actual css so that line spacing etc were correct, although again with a simpler UI than CSS has.
- Robin Barooah
Paul - I _just_ came across a site that did exactly that. Unfortunately, Safari's browser history is failing me and I can't find it anymore. Doh!
- Patrick Lightbody
Paul, not sure if you're still reading, but are you looking for interaction design changes as well, or just appearance?
- Mark Trapp
Did you try "PENCIL" an add-on for Firefox http://www.evolus.vn/Pencil/
- Francois Lamotte
I had never heard of Pencil, but it sure looks a lot like what I think Paul is describing.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I use ScrapBook Firefox extension to capture the page as is, and then edit that using Firebug.
- Jughead
Thanks @Francois. Pencil looks quite promising...
- Ashwin Bharambe
Firefox Webchunks? Does only the snipping part though. Perhaps an add-on to webchunks that will let us use all those chunks together.
- Vamsee
it'd be kind of like pushing edit on a wiki, right. like, firefox would have an edit button then you could visually redo the page
- Coleman Foley
There's also Axure RP, something I found a while ago. http://www.google.com/search...
- jho
Dosen't ASP.Net do that already???
- Roberto Bonini
One quick tip in Photoshop is to turn off anti-aliasing and use your various web fonts (Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, etc.) and use your preferred font size in pixels/points... This will provide you with screen accurate font appearances and sizes. The biggest problem with a "pixel-perfect" browser rendering is that it will never be consistent from browser to browser. They all render ever...
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- Nathan Chase
Idea for a useful webapp: A tool for doing web page mockups that's better than Photoshop because things actually look right (because it's rendered by the browser). It doesn't need to generate good html, so absolute positioning, etc is ok.
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FrontPage? DreamWeaver? http://refreshingapps.com/showcas...
- Lindsay
Um, isn't that what Balsamiq does??
- Cyndy
Please god no, don't create another "doesn't need to generate good html" code generator. srsly
- Jason Wehmhoener
Well, as for the mockups, there is really great Firefox extension called Pencil. You should try it.
- Mladen Srdić
using Cappuccino, an open source framework that makes it easy to build desktop-caliber applications that run in a web browser?
- huixing
Paul, have you checked out Axure http://www.axure.com/? I've typically used Visio or resorted to whiteboards/paper as they are easier to edit.
- jho
Jason, I would be fine with it not generating html at all. As for Balsamiq and some of the others, the idea is actually that it would look more like the final product instead of less. Photoshop gets fonts wrong and stuff because it isn't a web browser, and yet people still keep using it, so it seems that it must have some advantage over the other tools.
- Paul Buchheit
Are mockups that look exactly like the finished product even desirable? I'm reminded of the "Napkin Look & Feel" (http://napkinlaf.sourceforge.net/#Overvi...)
- Laurence Gonsalves
Depends whether your goal is to sketch and idea or create a final design. For the latter, you really do want it to be pixel perfect. For the former, you want a "wireframe" or whatever the cool kids call it these days.
- ⓞnor
What ⓞnor said. For "wireframes" a whiteboard is fine, but eventually you want pixel-perfect designs.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, you should check out Denim, http://dub.washington.edu:2007/denim...
- imabonehead
Paul have you tried Fireworks, that's what our designers use.
- Michael
http://www.balsamiq.com I got this link from Cooper U boards a while back, and a lot of my co-workers have found it very useful. While it's not pixel perfect, it allows for really quick mock ups with the idea that the design of the end product will be done by actual designers.
- Sam Ee
http://www.balsamiq.com/product... That's a better link. The demo video sold me on the idea.
- Sam Ee
Second attempt: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Paul Buchheit
I've been looking for something like this for years. Balsamiq is definitely a good start, but I feel like there's not quite enough depth yet. Has anyone had luck with stencils like the ones found at http://graffletopia.com/ (for Omni Graffle)?
- Sutee Dee
pixel perfect? The web isn't print. Complete control over the rendering environment is an illusion. Don't submit to it!
- Andy Bakun
Paul, have you checked out Axure RP?
- jho
Vi is pretty good. You just write some text and point a browser at it.
- Cliff Gerrish
Try wireframing and prototyping apps - I am not sure if output is rendered at browser level though. Protoshare.com, jumpchart.com, productplanner.com
- TrafficBug
Done, already
- Özkan Altuner
A practical scalable distributed B-tree - http://www.hpl.hp.com/techrep...
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"Moreover, our algorithm is conceptually simple: we use transactions to manipulate B-tree nodes so that clients need not use complicated concurrency and locking protocols used in prior work. To execute these transactions quickly, we rely on three techniques: (1) We use optimistic concurrency control, so that B-tree nodes are not locked during transaction execution, only during commit. This well-known technique works well because B-trees have little contention on update. (2) We replicate inner nodes at clients. These replicas are lazy, and hence lightweight, and they are very helpful to re- duce client-server communication while traversing the B-tree. (3) We replicate version numbers of inner nodes across servers, so that clients can validate their transactions efficiently, without creating bottlenecks at the root node and other upper levels in the tree."
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, I think many of us are going to trust your opinion on this white paper. All Greek to me.
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
All I understand is that it is in my best interests to cheer for the way you access B-tree nodes in order to continue to enjoy friendfeed reliably. Go friendfeed algorithm go!
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
What, no comparison to BigTable?
- ⓞnor
@nor It's really not the same thing, unless somehow you're using a distributed B-tree on hash collision, however, if you're getting that many collisions, then the hash algorithm is probably wrong or your key width is too small. Then again, I really don't know what I'm talking about.
- Eric Florenzano
Curious as to what problem Paul is looking at... My default data toolkit these days would probably include sqlite for in-memory data, sharded bdb's for btrees that are too big for memory, and hbase/hypertable for a distributed store. I wonder where this fits in...
- DeWitt Clinton
Ok this is a really *nerdy* post! :*)
- Susan Beebe
DeWitt, I just thought that it looked like an interesting paper. As for the several solutions you mention, I don't know that any of them have distributed transactions (maybe bdb, but that doesn't really work).
- Paul Buchheit
B-Trees and Prof. Bayer http://wwwbayer.informatik.tu-... - would be interesting to know what he'd say, unfortunately he's retired a few years ago. Used to be fairly approachable in all matters B-Tree.
- Mustafa K. Isik
@DeWitt - no room for a traditional SQL based database except as an in memory database?
- Nick Lothian
we had designed and implemented distributed tree control, but transactions were considered "too much" for near-real-time, and they were already in protocol... the rest you know as xGSN boxes in GPRS/3G/HSDPA - dynamic routing for mobile packet networks. I'd left team in 2003...
- A. T.
@paul - I'll readily admit to being out of my depth, but it depends on what the definition of "distribution transaction" is. With bdb a combination of local transactions and guaranteed consistent replication you can approximate a distributed transaction at the cost of speed. See http://www.oracle.com/technol... and http://www.oracle.com/technol.... But those won't work across bdb shards.
- DeWitt Clinton
@paul - A table-based distributed store can do this via a lock on entity groups, where entity groups are defined by relationship formed by instances of similar models that belong to the same parent-based ancestry chain. This is how App Engine transactions work -- see http://code.google.com/appengi... and http://code.google.com/appengi.... Ping ryan for some background there. Not sure if hbase or hypertable support this via their api.
- DeWitt Clinton
@nlothian - I dunno. Offline maybe?
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt: have you ever successfully used BDB with millions of newly written entries and transaction support turned on? We kept getting transaction logs with millions of entries that were never consumed, so restarts would take hours as it replayed the logs. Configuring BDB to work for large databases is insanely esoteric to say the least, and it may be impossible to get it to work acceptably in some cases.
- Bret Taylor
@bret -- no, definitely not with large databases. We used bdb's heavily at my last company, though. Aggressive sharding is the key if you want to support either transactions or replication, which matches intuition about how it is implemented.
- DeWitt Clinton
But your comment about millions of entries makes me wonder about which data is getting written to which place. I suspect a lot of problems like this end up with the bulk of the data being written transactionless + replicated to a table-based store (or a transactionless bdb), and only a small subset of the data gets transaction support. So multiple datastores. But you guys know this better than I do, so why am I rambling? : )
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, you can also look into all the trouble that Gaia had with bdb - I simply wouldn't trust any fancy bdb functionality.
- Paul Buchheit
Also, AppEngine transactions are limited to a single "entity group", which I assume means a single BigTable tablet. Essentially, they solved distributed transactions by not having them -- all transactions must be local to a single tablet. From the docs: "Every entity belongs to an entity group, a set of one or more entities that can be manipulated in a single transaction. Entity group relationships tell App Engine to store several entities in the same part of the distributed network."
- Paul Buchheit
@paul - yup, that's the trade-off. Entity groups ensure locality, locality makes transactions fast(er). Same old lever problem -- speed of consistency vs. scope of the transactions.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, there's nothing wrong with having local transactions -- I'm just pointing out that they aren't distributed transactions.
- Paul Buchheit
Point taken. I got way off-topic regarding your original post anyway.
- DeWitt Clinton
The design seems reasonable. The only part that is under-specified is the way they switch from a master node to a slave. I'm curious why they don't use transactions to maintain replicas but instead rely on some unspecified master/slave replication scheme.
- Private Sanjeev
Tweeting :)
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Funny!
- Robert Scoble
too true
- James Miao
Hey, I can tell those Mark Zuckerberg prongs haven't started working yet. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
A good reminder that it could have been a lot worse.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Heh
- Charlie Anzman
Hey! I resemble that remark!
- Chris Messina
funny and true :)
- Ali
Very clever.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
LOL
- Steve Chou
from fftogo
apparently you can trade some symbols and numbers for letters and it's FFing
- Katy Barrilleaux
I love that!! :D
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
ReTweet what the middle one said 4/5 WooHoos
- Steven J. Ram
LOL :D
- zsafwan
That is *exactly* why FF will become more mainstream than twitter.. try explaining how to tweet to your parents (who are finally comfortable with email)!
- Chris Myles
Go Chris!
- Charlie Anzman
Haha! I have this on my facebook :)
- Joe Dawson
from iPhone
Awesome!
- Ladyepiphanybug
Haha!
- muratt
ahahha! brilliant
- Jacque
That's about right.
- Josh Haley
thats funny lol.. where did u find it
- Nicholas Skinner
that's *agent_x* cartoonist from sunny queensland, aus ~ http://twitter.com/agent_x :)
- Peter Renshaw
I just noticed you posted my comic. Thanks. I keep them all here if you are interested - http://www.agent-x.com.au/
- agent x
agent x, I like you. Bookmarked.
- Dennis Jernberg
Goodbye, FFGIWHQ
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hehe cute bike.
- BRҰANSAҰS
Seriously? :(
- Mona Nomura
GIW? GW = Global World?
- Chris Myles
Global International World
- Shannon Jiménez
wow that fluorescence would get me down.
- anna sauce
Well, we did pack up our things and go home...
- Kevin Fox
:(((((
- Anne Bouey
"Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end..."
- Brian Chang
Must be bittersweet.
- Mike Doeff
i can see why they took the money :)
- Robert Littlejohn
That was quick.. no messing around!!
- Chris Myles
they killed kenny...those bastards.
- Josh Haley
Good luck!
- Courtney Skay
That is history. Thanks for sharing.
- Rob Schieber
:/ damn! Well good luck. Remeber the Steve J's life, you can came back and buy the whole company =)
- siniradam
boo-urns ...
- David Kim
@Mike, yup. Bittersweet is a good way to put it. It was a great office, as was the one before it, and I'm sure the next one will be too. :)
- Dan Hsiao
Don't throw away the Fluff... FF will always share a special place with (f)F in my heart
- Mike Sego
{{{ HUG }}}
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Good luck Dan. I'm expecting great things from you guys in your new home.
- Mike Doeff
加油，再创辉煌！
- 阿石
Yeah, No pressure Dan, but we are all watching... haha. Sigh. Must be bittersweet.
- anna sauce
:-((
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Josh +1
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
a big hug. I just passed through it. it will come better.
- Eta
:-( Best of luck with Facebook, guys!
- Ladyepiphanybug
:(
- Roberto Bonini
facebook'un sıcak kollarına girince eski büroyu kapatıyosunuz tabi hibinolar
- Şafak Otur
I think my wife has that bike!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Aww. :(
- Tyson Key
Now when you expand a conversation, we add an "Add comment" link to the bottom so that you don't have to scroll back to the top.
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heh just was gonna say something
- MG Siegler
Sweet!
- Mark Trapp
I'm first. :P http://ff.im/6tDGj
- Oguz Serdar
Why add this even thought your going to close down the service?
- Matt Ruiz
hey, that's me in that grab.
- Christian Collins
You're quick Qguz!
- Paul Buchheit
Exxxcellent, sir. We've been asking for this for awhile now. With this taken care of, how close are we to being able to collapse comments that we've expanded?
- Akiva
It's too late.
- Matt Ruiz
Let's call that a $50 million feature ;-)
- Laurent
+1 Akiva, was thinking the same thing - Also, thank you much! Been hoping for this. :-)
- Matthew Horton
Good to see development on FF hasn't stopped, Paul. I thought the FF API v2 post was the last FF update we'd ever see. This warms my heart :)
- LANjackal
it's not too late, personally alot my post-FB fears will be allayed if dev continues on FF.
- Joe The Sausage
Very cool! Keep bringing the cool features!
- Dakota O'Neill
Great!
- John (bird whisperer)
Akiva, so how's your faith feeling tonight? now?
- Myrna
I just clicked add comment, and now I have nothing to say. :D
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Myrna, a band-aid might help but it certainly won't cure.
- Akiva
I had to refresh the page to see it initially.
- John (bird whisperer)
Akiva :) So what would it like if it wasn't just a band-aid?
- Myrna
Myrna, I am unable to parse that sentence.
- Akiva
Sounds like a good addition. I was thinking about that today.
- Louis Gray
Thank you, Thank You, Thank you!
- Jeff P. Henderson
I'm wondering how Paul is feeling tonight a day after signing. Toward his friends here also?
- Myrna
Lol at Laurent $50 million dollar feature
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
Keep proving me right, Paul. You guys are awesome!
- Jesse Stay
CYBERHUG! (platonically speaking!)
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
+ Jesse in every way.
- Myrna
very nice - please keep pushing on your features! Keep making FF great.
- Tobin Truog
awesome! definitely makes sense.
- Dusty Edenfield
Yep. I just noticed it. Then looked for the post ... and here it is.
- Kevin Mohr
Suggested this a while back. Glad to see it added.
- Manuel Mas
Much wanted feature.
- Ashish
Cool!
- Anne Bouey
I just noticed that! Very nice!
- Herb Hernandez
from iPhone
Me like new link. Very convenient.
- Dennis Jernberg
Yay, you guys added my "add a comment" button feature (sorta). thank you :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
fftogo mobile version, or is there abetter one?
- JCunwired
nice!
- Marg Uerite
Another great new feature. Thanks, Paul!
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
digging the feature but I'll keep Micah's script around a bit longer since it also has a "like" link
- chrisofspades
Maybe it was the absurdly long discussions of the FB purchase, but I was wanting this feature yesterday. Woot!
- Tom Horn
nice
- Ali
can you please add one at the bottom of the page, too? i keep having to hit About then the friendfeed logo, and finally back at the beginning/top :)
- mike
Let me guess, the 500+ message thread about FB buying FF brought this on. Like!
- Evan Parker
Matthew, Laurent, Akiva Roflol. This is like the bouquet you get when you're the girl and he messed up. Louis, you were right. ;)
- Melanie Reed
:) thanx
- Ali
hey cool feature thx PB
- Thomas Power
ty
- paniaguai
that's great! thanks
- Jay
Excellent!! Thanks, Paul.
- Kol Tregaskes
Perfect choice of screenshot
- Alex Kapranoff
makes sooooo much sense
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Probably a five-second feature to reassure everyone ;-)
- Tim Tyler
Thanks it is useful :)
- Burçak Çubukçu
Great
- Обратная сторона порошка
In Soviet Russia, comment posts you!
- Mark
Yay!
- DGentry
While you are at it, add a "Keep classic FriendFeed alive forever" -link. kthx! ;)
- Jemm
Very clever, and very easy.
- Evan Travers
It does not appear until certain number of comments are made. This is really nice because if it appeared twice in proximity it would not look nice.
- Ashish
Now, can you add a collapse comments feature? I hate having to scroll up or down for what seems like miles and miles of comments just to get to another post.
- April Buchheit
+2
- Jim Norris
We really wanted this when we were conference blogging--will be great for next time.
- Ruchira S. Datta
+1000 April - yes, i've wanted that for a while, too ... please :)
- Susan Beebe
Nice start. That means I can almost uninstall the Greasemonkey script that had been doing this for me for the past month or so. Now could we also get a link to collapse the comments again. Pretty please? Oh, and why no "Like" link at the bottom as well?
- Alex Schleber
ooh yes, a link at the bottom to re-collapse comments would be great. or maybe even every 30 comments or so there could be a re-collapse link. sometimes i expand and regret it in short order.
- Felicia Yue
Happy to see this :-) and happy for Myrna too
- Majento
nice!
- Christophe Sanchez
I'm with April
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
quetest haha
- ethan meccage
I know that everybody must say the same thing, but I just think that you put it in a way that everyone can understand <a href="http://www.broadspeed.com/new_car...">Volkswagen Polo</a> <a href="http://www.broadspeed.com/car_fin...">new car finance</a>
- nasir-g
Scalien - Keyspace (distributed key value store) - http://scalien.com/keyspace/
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Looks interesting, have been investigating a lot of these systems lately just out of curiosity, but most have not met my expectations. This one is new, but I plan on checking it out.
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Anything in cluster form is great. Servers, Breakfast cereals etc.
- CannonGod
Did you ever have a look at Tangosol Coherence? They were around before even memcached got popular, with a clustering solution with very flexible partitioning strategies, and the ability to run queries on the cluster. The continuous query functionality is pretty cool for real time stuff: http://coherence.oracle.com/display... Of course, the fact that it's written in Java might turn some people off.
- Ray Cromwell
Bret, have you looked at redis, and or Tokyo Cabinet?
- Nick Halstead
Nick: I love Tokyo Cabinet. It is not a distributed key value store, though - it just runs on one machine. There is a huge difference, and unfortunately most of the open source projects in this area don't actually work (largely demo quality from my tests).
- Bret Taylor
Of course, Oracle bought Tangosol, but their original product was great. I don't know how much it costs now, but some of Tangosol's competitors were good too.
- Ray Cromwell
Note that it's under the AGPL (Affero Gnu Public License), so you can't use it for closed-source web services.
- Jim Norris
Oh: good point, Jim. Nevermind. I will not be checking it out.
- Bret Taylor
Bret, http://opensource.plurk.com/LightCl... gives distribution + persistance to Tokyo + REDIS, definitely check out redis if you have time, although its still early days they have key/value + the values can be sets + queues, and all operations are atomic. Redis is also very easy to hash across servers.
- Nick Halstead
Re: AGPL. I recently looked at mongodb because apparently I'm not alone in thinking this whole space is fascinating (though it is not distributed key-value store). Anyway, their description of AGPL seems to be that it is possible to write a closed source web service against it so long as you give your changes to the server back to the community. However, I think this is enabled by the fact that they release their client library as Apache. Does that sound consistent with other people's understanding of AGPL?
- Kelly Norton
Apache driver license looks safe to me except for the C++ driver. Not sure how that one avoids AGPL...
- Michael Herf
from iPhone
@Michael - You're right. Looks like the C++ driver is AGPL. I have to admit, I don't see how anything could really escape the viral nature of the AGPL. The site claims that there are drivers available from third parties under different licenses, but that would seem to violate AGPL. I think it's probably best to stay away from anything AGPL.
- Kelly Norton
Here's a blog that surveyed some distributed key/value stores: http://www.metabrew.com/article...
- Ray Cromwell
I need a robot (via @motowilliams) Great pics! http://www.boston.com/bigpict...
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Obviously I can't provide a lot of detailed plans and guarantees, but I can tell you that I'll do my personal best to ensure that the FriendFeed users and community are treated right. I love this product too, and don't want to see it disappear.
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Thank you, Paul.
- joey
:)
- iTad
I hope so.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Thank you, Paul. Hearing something is always better than hearing nothing =)
- FFing Enigma
I think this was a smart move fore FF and FB
- Joe Hall
What about the service?
- Amit Morson
That's a start. Thanks for reaching out.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Thanks Paul.
- sean percival
Thanks Paul
- Mike Doeff
We don't want it to go either.
- Yolanda
I would not expect any less from such a cool guy like you, thanks! :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Please keep it going for as long as you can or until you can make Facebook actually work.
- AJ Kohn
That's heartening, Paul. Thanks.
- Anika
We love you guys and FriendFeed.. we are just a little hurt and worried.. just please give us details as soon as possible.
- Tim Hoeck
FriendFeed lets me use people as filters to turn data into information. Facebook doesn't. Until it does, please, Please, PLEASE keep FriendFeed as a destination alive.
- AJ Kohn
congrats guys! facebook needs what you got!
- Lorna Herf
I'm sorry that I haven't said more about this. As you can imagine, it has been an extraordinarily busy day (and I've barely slept in the past week).
- Paul Buchheit
I'll add my plea to the chorus: Please don't take FriendFeed away from us. And don't make us go to Facebook (because we won't). FriendFeed means a lot to a lot of people and the thought that it will dry up and blow away shortly is very disturbing.
- Lindsay
It's still great to hear from you Paul. Congrats on that new swimming pool full of cash. :D
- iTad
Simply glad you're here now. You've always been a very responsive and transparent team. As much as I cringe at the thought of FF going away, I *am* happy for you and the team.
- AJ Kohn
Thanks Paul.
- John (bird whisperer)
Thank you kind sir.
- Andrew Smith
I request you make it to the next scheduled FFundercats podcast to talk to the community. This announcement deserves a live appearance to the community.
- Eric
Have been dealing unsucessfully with Twitter for two days, trying to get logged in...Their password reset page says"Snap we can't find you." I keep writing to Tech Support at Twitter and get their helpful auto-generated Twitter Trouble shooting email. My problem is not there. =( Hope FriendFeed does not get that blaise about helping users. @EV
- SashaKane
If FB can't keep the service running, would you consider open-sourcing the thing, so we can?
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
Hi Paul, thanks for the assurances. In the future, I would highly suggest that you make this sort of statement shortly after the initial merger release. Thanks again.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Thanks for keeping the passion!
- Shane
Nice to hear Paul. Thanks.
- Mark Krynsky
I would like to give you a hug right now Paul. However, that would be awkward and April might beat me up so I will just say thank you and press the like button.
- EricaJoy
Best news I have heard today.
- Angus Burton
Thank you for affirming that. Much appreciated.
- Karoli
A few more points that would be nice to have addressed soon. Ability to export data, tool to import friends to Facebook, and will ff.im urls continue to function?
- Mark Krynsky
Amelioration??
- heretic_twit
Those that like friendfeed as is should be most pleased with this statement, as it probably means maintenance to keep the current system as is, without as much attention to new features. It's also good news for all those who like both friendfeed and facebook, as facebook will likely adopt the better features from friendfeed
- Ivan Kirigin
That means an awful lot to me.
- Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
This has been quite a day! Can't wait to hear what is next!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Thank you, Paul. Thank you for coming out from behind the curtain and finally giving us some communication, some semblance of hope.
- Akiva
So we can expect a Facebook adaption of this? I like this technology over everyone else!
- Shaggy Jenkins
Eric, my schedule is still a little uncertain at the moment, but I'd be glad to appear on a future FFundercats.
- Paul Buchheit
That would be a good thing Paul. Thanks.
- Eric
Cool :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Thanks for making FriendFeed what it is, and lets hope it stays that way, though there's slim chance of that
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Now that I think about it: are you kidding me? They've already stated that FriendFeed's going to be absorbed into Facebook. What kind of sleight-of-hand are you trying to pull now, Paul?
- Akiva
@EricaJoy: I have nothing against hugs. :)
- April Buchheit
Thanks!
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Thanks, Paul. I've been getting more and more depressed thinking about the bad ways this could go. The reassurances help a bit, at least. In fact, just hearing you speak on the point is encouraging - the open lines of communication between the FriendFeed team and its users has always been one of the great things about FriendFeed that I'm afraid will be lost with the Facebook buyout. And yes, a FFundercats appearance would be a great idea.
- Jandy
I don't want to read too much into this reassurance but the "personal best" remark made me think like there is not a united FF anymore and that it's up to your personal efforts to prevent it from being eaten by FB :)
- Turker Keskinpala
you can sell the tech but the community can not be bought sold transferred or merged
- Robert Higgins
from m.ctor.org
Turker, I do believe that this deal was the right decision -- I'll write a bit more about that when I get a chance. I say that I'll do my "personal best" because I will -- it would be misleading to make promises on other's behalf :)
- Paul Buchheit
Hoping so... practicing patience
- Majento
Paul: I'm hopeful that this will be the best for both Facebook and Friendfeed. What you and the staff at FF have done is amazing, with only 12 people! I love the service here. I also enjoy Facebook (one I ignore all quizzes and stupid apps), but in a different way. Hoping some coolness can be brought to both. Good luck to you and your team!
- Travis B. Hartwell
this echoes star wars galaxies, incredible unique community. but they upgraded it to be like world of warcraft. this is a replay of the devs soothing messages. the forums were livid the community evaporated.
- Robert Higgins
from m.ctor.org
When socialmedian was acquired by Xing they left it alone. I hope the same happens here. I'm sure you will do your best though!
- Michael Fidler
On behalf of the Dutch citizens our Queen wants to let you know: Thx Paul.
- Ton Zijp
Don't know what to say, so lets start with big congrats! from one hand, as an early member of Friendfeed I think we've created here a very cool, collaborative and tech-savvy/passionate community of great people that all probably wish to stick around as much as possible. From the other hand, I know how corporates work and it takes one small decision of share holders to close Friendfeed...
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- Nir Ben Yona
My first reaction is disappointment. I don't believe big corporations do better than small ones. Facebook is inferior to FriendFeed, although it's user base is much larger. Clearly FriendFeed won't survive in the long term, unless it is open sourced. Why not open up and embrace the wonders of the GPL instead of joining forces with the Walled Garden no #1? Facebook don't even operate with permalinks,.
- Morten Blaabjerg
Thanks for the explanation Paul. Of course, I congratulate you guys. I think anyone would do the same thing if they were in your shoes :)
- Turker Keskinpala
Very bittersweet clicking [Like] on this one.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
A big congrats for you guys.. However, I feel kind of sorrow :)
- Özkan Altuner
good to hear
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Thank you - but I would very much like our content to stay intact. :)
- Mona Nomura
Ryo: if you delete your account everything goes away. I totally disagree with you about Facebook, but that's OK.
- Robert Scoble
Good to hear. Unfortunately I think Facebook are going to download the brains of all FriendFeed staff then kill FF.
- Michael McGimpsey
but Paul it is going to disappear - Facebook bought FF not for the site but for you guys. So obviously once its integrated into Facebook, development on FF will stop
- Anthony Feint
If FriendFeed and all of it's functionality get integrated into Facebook I'm all for it.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Thank you Paul! Congrats on the deal!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Paul - that's great news. It surely can't cost a lot to keep this place running and it's a good place to try out ideas before they move to FB.
- Martin Bryant
what about improving the product and making sure it gets more users, not only supports those who stay?
- Ihar Mahaniok
Ihar - unlikely. Facebook bought FF for the developer talent, not for FriendFeed itself.
- Martin Bryant
from iPhone
Martin - I also think so, and it is most likely. But I could still have a hope
- Ihar Mahaniok
Paul, please - underpromise & overdeliver...they say it works.
- A. T.
Nice to hear. Too bad you don't call the shots anymore.
- JCunwired
FriendFeed is Dead! Long Live FriendFeed! (nice name for Facebook skunkworks) I'm sure everyone would love to see FriendFeed itself stay around, even if the innovations that happen are geared towards implementation at Facebook. Thanks for this note Paul! :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
There are a few promises and guarantees that you SHOULD be able to provide. Like, that our network of friends will remain intact and that the features that make this site great will remain. If you can't make those promises, then you shouldn't have done the deal. I sure do hope that the real-time search engine wasn't the centerpiece of this deal (it probably was), because that certainly...
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- Brad Williamson
Paul you did such a nice job with friendfeed, and I so want to believe you, but I'm not sure I can. Not because of you, but because of your new employer. Because your new employer is no longer you, and while I have kind of come to trust you, I do not trust your new boss. Not at all. Please prove me wrong, if they'll let you.
- Vicarbott
Paul - thanks for that reassurance. PLEASE stick to that! I was in the middle of reading and participating in a lengthy discussion off of a Robert Scoble post yesterday ... then I came up for air and saw your news. Congratulations - I have no idea what that feels like or how pumped you must be. There are so many things FF does that I LOVE...I know you know that. Please Please PLease dont' go away! Thanks!
- Tobin Truog
Thanks for the personal note Paul.
- Mike Reynolds
Phewww..relief ;-)
- Ritu
First zombie/mafia request and we're all outta here....
- Fossil Huntress
+1 Fossil Huntress The partitioning of the networks between friendfeed and facebook was a major feature that many people made use of, lacking appropriate controls for who sees what. Merging the two groups of friends isn't going to work, at all.
- Mr. Gunn
It doesn't sound like you understand what has people worried. I wrote this to help: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
Maybe Bruce analysis is too imaginary, but the question is THE question nobody answered: why did you do it, Paul?
- Luca Sofri
I left a response on Bruce's entry (http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...). I'll write more about this on my blog when I get some free time.
- Paul Buchheit
Thanks.
- Bonnie Foster
we all know what needs to happen. the question is, where? ... FB needs, - apart from being/it is, a large, general, open application platform, - 1. Smart keyboard shortkatze - and Im a kbsCzar to go to, 2. Aggregating facilities, smart /RSS/ .. 3. Full blogging facilities, capabilities, not 140 chars. 4. Full real time comments facilities, capabilities. 5. Real time, live, but ALSO...
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- pb:
I hope you're being open and honest with us. This time. :(
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Good to know , we´ll see :)
- Yahya
Thank you! I am sure you will do great things at FB. I just hope that the great app you built here isn't destroyed. I don't know of any other aggregation app that I can embed into my site like this one!
- beersage
Congratulations on your successes, best wishes for more. And thanks for continuing to look out for us loyal, addicted FFanatics!
- Rob Schieber
I hope it continues, i'm a new user and absolutely love it (wish i knew the value of it before)! Congrats!
- Luis D. Santos
and let me add second, obvious, "Facebook needs" - Friendfeed bookmarklet, and Friendfeed tools - widgets, embedding - real time and not - of posts, and groups ...to embedd, to inject oneself into this thing called Internet ..... so, if FB listens to FF engineering long enough, they are going to get it .. right
- pb:
Paul, what I am worried is not that you're brainwashed, but that there's simply no business need for Facebook to improve FriendFeed from now on, period.
- Ihar Mahaniok
I have confidence Paul. While some of the comments were probably uncalled for, covering an investment (of time and money) in these times to move on and hopefully provide even 'better stuff' makes sense to me. It's pretty obvious there are a LOT of people that don't want to 'lose' Friendfeed. (I wouldn't hold a town hall for a few weeks though :)
- Charlie Anzman
Congrats, Paul. It's sad that people have to make these uncalled for hatred comments about Facebook though. Why can't both sites work together. I think Facebook will do better with FF and vise versa. Take the good features of both services. Don't boycott FB, enjoy it. I'm sick of the negative comments going on, that's all. :(
- Mol, FF Music Lover
Because I don't think Paul and the other FF developers would allow FB to do anything. I'm sorry, I am not going to think negative here like some here are. I guess I'm a fangirl for FB.
- Mol, FF Music Lover
Finally something about the changes on the horizon that isn't all d0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0om and whining. Thank you, Paul! :D
- Christian (Simply X)
Paul, what about the content scam that FB T&C is, does it apply to Friendfeed now? Should we all start writing scripts to retroactively delete all content ever uploaded to Friendfeed? Elaborated a bit here - http://friendfeed.com/mbravo...
- Michael Bravo
We know you'll try your best, Paul. But sometimes, you just can't win the dark side...
- Winston Teo
Thanks Paul for all your efforts. Founders often want the best, but acquiring companies often have people with political/power issues or different/limited visions.
- Mitchell Tsai
Yeahhhhhhh BOoooiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!
- The Real sofarsoShawn
yes, thank you, Sergeant Paul ... well, good to hear we go on ... because if not, how about starting www.anotherFeed.com ... or, www.Letsgofeed.com ...... anyway, lets boost blogging capabilities, post more than current amount of chars, lets have TOP POSTS / clicks count list at the head of each group, some stats, lets index group headers, lets have MORE keyboard shortcuts .. - now ......
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