I think part of what I see in Eva's posting is a questioning of whether we need "reference managers" in the traditional sense at all - maybe something more like a browser history, your "reading stream" captured by a browser extension or desktop tool, where you can go in and share, highlight, or reference particular articles-you-have-read with a single click.
- Richard Akerman
Well a browser stream plus the record of pushing a 'like' button. I think the bookmarklet model is a great one though - as long as it is responsive.The fact that I've made a little more effort to press a button and drop in some tags is worth recording and using when you then search through everything you've looked at. I'm finding I am using the firefox awesome bar as a kind of 'everything I've looked at' record - anyone else?
- Cameron Neylon
Great post. I agree completely with the concept that the new tools need to be even easier to use than the old ones. Even though I am relatively computer-savvy (compared to my peers) and have an interest in web-based scientific tools with social aspects, several times minor inconveniences in a new software package has caused me to leave something behind that otherwise shows promise.
- Jason Winget
More specific to this post, of the new wave of citation managers I prefer Zotero. It integrates best with my browsing habits, and does a better job than Connotea or CiteULike of properly parsing references. The two things I wish it had were: on-the-fly updating of a locally stored Bibtex database (I have to export it every time now) and a community feature, as mentioned here.
- Jason Winget
@Jason The Zotero guys have talked about more Zotero server based features for version 2.0 (like sharing, groups etc.), but I don't know what the timeline is.
- Richard Akerman
Network effect. Sometimes 2-3 people see it at a time and it gets shuffled up. if it gets buried, it gets buried forever
- Deepak Singh
Jason, Richard; Zotero is developing nicely. The latest release includes sync to a central server and back out to browsers on different machines. I'm sure other features based around this sharing are not far away. I'll be tempted back from CiteULike if the improvements continue.
- Neil Saunders
Eva, this is a great post. I really like the notion of "online storage first, social benefits second". My main reason for moving bookmarks, references, photos, documents etc. to online services was the first reason: everything is in "one place" (the web), no more worries about self-hosting, backup, synchronising between machines, what to do when changing jobs etc. Maybe this aspect is the way to sell it to the sceptical.
- Neil Saunders
hmmm ... here or there :). That's the problem with NN. Things aren't exactly easy to find and take action on
- Deepak Singh
And therein lies the problem. Their RSS is still not comprehensive in terms of content and site coverage, either. I don't see any at that forum post, for example. Anyway - please do comment (there!) if you have a moment.
- Neil Saunders
There's something about the tags there too. I tag enthusiastically everywhere - except NN. Why is that?
- Neil Saunders
I just don't go there often enough. It's never sucked me in :(
- Deepak Singh