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justinsmith: New Post: Facebook for iPhone 3.0 – Full Tour & First Impressions (w/ Screenshots) http://bit.ly/kkonq - http://twitter.com/justins...
Susan Beebe, Ian Wright and Ankush Narula liked this
I can't find a way to change profile pictures...is that possible?
- brainno722 (Peter)
Is a Perfect Storm Forming For Distributed Social Networking? http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
MarkEdmondson, Marco Massarotto, Jeroen De Miranda and 5 other people liked this
Only with your help, I suspect!
- Aviva Gabriel
Emily digging the new GReader "send to" feature and these very nice hacks http://www.labnol.org/interne...
Ian Wright liked this
Excellent hacks. Thanks. I switched from netnewswire to the google web app on my iPhone. it's a whole new world.
- Ian Wright
from BuddyFeed
Learn how to follow Twitter users in Google Reader. http://www.scripting.com/stories...
Daniel Rowley, Faredoon, alaingeenrits and 59 other people liked this
Just tried it. Brilliant! Thanks.
- Nick Reynolds
I started sending some of my favorite Twitter posters' feeds to Google Reader a while back so I would be able to search back more than the 30 days Twitter search allows. This article brings things to another level. Thanks for sharing.
- Brenda Young
Thank you, Dave. This is the tool I've been waiting for so that I can complete my move to FriendFeed and use RSS for Twitter interaction.
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
Stupid Question but if you add new Twitter followers then you have to redo the import right?
- Nick Reynolds
Davie-Excellent find!
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Coooooool :)
- Susan Beebe
Nick yes you do have to re-import. However if Google Reader would support dynamic reading lists, we could work out a way to keep them in synch. Wouldn't that be nice. :-)
- Dave Winer
Now that would be nice!
- Susan Beebe
Dave - the comment on Twitter couldn't be more true - I wonder how the social networking world will react to this ... and if some decentralization might start because of it. Seems like a melding of email, RSS, twitter, facebook, etc is what might come out in the end
- gregory leff
awesome
- andy brudtkuhl
It will be EXACTLY like that scene in the Matrix where they are watching the code scroll by like rain. All feed converge to one, and we see them all simultaneously. Or not.
- Ian Wright
from BuddyFeed
@Dave yes, it would be nice :) We'll keep you posted.
- Mihai Parparita
Is this working? I'm getting an error... "Twitter returned an empty result."
- Jason Hansen
Twitter isn't doing well today.
- Dave Winer
Dave: I figured it was due to that, but just wanted confirmation. Will try it out later.
- Jason Hansen
Thanks. I am going to use Google Reader more often instead of desktop RSS clients. More open.
- Zachary TG
from iPod
I use Google Reader a *lot*, but I can't see any real benefit to importing your Twitter feeds into it. Page after page of small one line entries? No thanks.
- Otto
I use this adaptation and like it so much I stopped using all my other Twitter apps.
- earl wallace
I left Twitter for Jaiku. Then Jaiku left me for Google. I moved in with Pownce but it died. I went back to Twitter, but flirted with Plurk, Identica, and Rejaw, and even tried doing it myself with Laconica but it was Twitter I really loved. Twitter finally broke my heart so I left it for Friendfeed. Now Friendfeed is leaving me for Facebook. No...
Christine Chan, david beckwith, Adnan and 437 other people liked this
It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Haha. ROFL
- Roberto Bonini
is friendfeed going anywhere or will it just get better?
- Craig Shipp
I'm with you Leo.
- Oracio
It reads better than Soap - my roadmap is very similar but I'll forgive FF and live happily ever after with it (for the time being, anyway)
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
You're the best Leo. Canadians are the funniest people.
- Dan Lessard
I'm betting they'll slowly digest it into the Facebook news feed. They claim that Friendfeed is staying put for now, but that won't last.
- Ken Bauer
And we keep following Leo all over the place!
- Robert Scoble
Long live Leo
- Randy Pollock
When will we all get in a long term relationship and stop getting our hearts broken?
- Nate Pilling
so what is more important, the medium or the people, hope that FF will let us export our content, and our social netork :) (in my wild dreams)
- abdellah
Need ice cream? I'm new to FF, and kind of sad I didn't jump on the proverbial wagon sooner!
- Elizabeth K. Barone
I hope you leave your standard breadcrumbs so we can find you in the next chapter of social interaction.
- jcunwired
Feels to me like maybe it's time to go back to building a distributed network, rather than hopping from service to service.
- Ken Sheppardson
But where to next? That's the question. Wave sounds great, but the implementation will be a PAIN. So where? Oh LeoMoses...where is our path in the desert?
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Sounds like a hurtin' country song in the making.
- Bill Rodman
The wave of the future is wave
- Randy Pollock
Well you can't say that what is happening in the 'social sphere' is boring by any means!
- Matt Cassem
I think Leo's audience is more likely to click "Like" or "comment" than Scoble's is. When Leo and Rob are both posting on FF, Leo gets more likes and comments
- Mark
Didn't you leave a post earlier saying how funny it was that people complain anytime there's a change (referring to the FF buyout)? This sounds like a complaint to me.
- Fleagle
Not complaining - just thinking about the future. I think a little Friendfeed DNA will vastly improve Facebook. And I think Facebook is already the big winner with the general populace. I also think we geeks need a corner somewhere else to hang out in.
- Leo Laporte
And I have no plans to leave Friendfeed. Yet.
- Leo Laporte
Yet being the operative word.....
- Roberto Bonini
sounds like a country song to me
- gavin
As for this geeky alternative, http://a.tinythread.com/ just showed up in my feed this morning. Thoughts?
- Craig B.
I feel more of a personal connection with the FriendFeed team than I have with other services I've left, and that will be a big part of why I will stay as long as possible.
- Louis Gray
^^^ replace "team" with "community" and there's my reason for sticking it out.
- jcunwired
Its also going to take a very long time to go through content and bookmark/store it elsewhere. Evernote is going to be used heavily in the weeks to come.
- jcunwired
The only way to have control is to use your own URL
- Craig Shipp
Wait till you meet Facebook's randy cousin Overly Friendly Book =)
- Cynthia Yildirim
what Louis gray said. I'm going to hang around until the lights go out.
- Jordan Brock
from BuddyFeed
What they said, I don't see any reason to leave FriendFeed unless something actually changes that makes the service worthless to me.
- Craig B.
yup me too Louis and I don't know any of them
- Thomas Power
Plurk's not worth leaving anyone for.
- Rachel R.
Leo, I think you need to change your FaceFeed status to "It's Complicated" ;)
- Daynah
Play this thread off, keyboard cat.
- Fleagle
You have to go back to your blog. It still loves you Leo.
- Dave Winer
Screw you, Friendfeed!
- Andrew Leahey
Users today are investors too - only the 'exit' for us is not lucrative.... its the other way sometimes :)
- Mrinal Desai
I just had the idea: wow, how good will Faceboook become though this input? (JUST imagine tagging ppl in FB the way U can Tag them in FF.)
- oliver gassner
Love Stinks.
- shelter watch
I'm quite surprised that you could keep track of all that!
- Robert Alex
Leo Laporte listed his relationship as: "its complicated."
- Randy Shapiro
Damn thats complicated
- drmacintosh
Don't worry Leo, its not you, its them...
- Steven McGurn
so where do we go now?
- Brian Appleby
I agree with Jonathan Hardesty "It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives" - And sites keep getting killed off only to come back to life a month later!
- Amy Flynn
very true, however on the other hand, we are getting closer to that one service which everyone will be on... and I dont think twitter is going to be that one
- Bryce Campbell
Facebook buying FriendFeed is like having to MOVE just when you got your house all dressed up and made into a comfy HOME! I don't feel like doing it again!
- Arleen Anderson
Now that Facebook and Friendfeed have married, I'm waiting for Twitfacefeedplebospacening.
- Anthony Marco
You all just have ants in your pants :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Leo, u by your self made two companies (services) out of 3 famous and made Google interested enough to buy 2 of them (Jaiku & FF). Google also tried to flirt with Twitter as well. So which one u choose now? Cause we will follow u :P
- Sam Ehsan
Sounds like some of my past love affairs. Of course, I'm married now. That, um, was prior.
- Paul Chaney
lmfao, its so true leo, so true!
- Derek Bender
Feeling a bit worn around the edges? ... me too!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Speaking of Days Of Our Lives: Didn't that show jump the shark when the serial killer was unmasked as Marlena (a character I used to have a mad crush on, and who's now mostly a professional victim)? Then all the "killed" characters came back to life, since they were only what I call "soap opera dead"...
- Dennis Jernberg
And if everyone follows you, then your all having affairs all over the place! LOL
- Sandra Large
I think it's back to the TWiT Army!
- Paul Salzman
It's not like we have proposed Healthcare reform, or anything really important, going on in the U.S.A.
- Steve de Mena
it's getting ridiculous, FEDERATED is the word!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
who is actually leaving FF? have many people vowed to do so yet? I'd like to but there isn't any alternative.
- Denise Young
the joys and sorrows of everyday social IT folks... :-)
- Thomas Lee
People are talking a lot about Streamy today. Might be an alternative.
- Caio Cesar
Streamy seems to be crashing left & right tho.
- Rick Cogley
Not to mention Pownce was shutdown as soon as it got good!
- Kenneth Reitz
No mention of Microsoft Vine?
- Robert MacEwan
yep. welcome to another episode of; As the Stomach Turns. one big soap opera.
- Scratch5150
I've decided I'm not going to tell ANYONE which site I'm favoring... not even myself! I swear! As soon as I decided that FF was my new place (a couple months ago) THIS happens! It's like magic, but in a bad bad way...
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Why do we all assume this is a bad thing? Maybe the FF Facebook combo will be better??
- Craig Shipp
Maybe they'll keep both open -- FF is the open side, and FB is the closed side.
- John Flinchbaugh
from IM
Social Networks are sluts?
- TheDiva Rockin
It sure is.
- Jason Hill
I know exactly how you feel. What's a person to do? I am mad at Twitter for suspending some of my accounts. First, the accounts kept causing the password to reset, then they were suspended, all around the time of the DOS attacks. All I ever used Twitter for was to advertise my businesses, and for fun. Now I don't know where to go.
- DogPatch
Here's some thoughts on what's going to happen:http://kennethreitz.com/blog...
- Kenneth Reitz
It's like my beloved Archie comics romantic twists from childhood! Archie loves Veronica who loves Reggie who loves Betty who loves Archie... ;)
- Shawn Zehnder Lea
More like "As the worm churns"
- Houseofmax
한글 와서~ 루거 .. 당신은 정말 잘 생기고있다 누드 사진 기다리다 :]
- HealingBrush
One of the funniest sad stories I've heard in a long time...
- Aviva Gabriel
Gotta find one who is a lady in public and a whore in the bedroom. One who looks like a woman, but thinks like a man. One who tells you you're the only person in their world and worships the ground you walk on. One who's from Venus but want's to live on Mars. One who you know will always be there even when the chips are down. One who looks like a movie star, but doesn't bust the credit...
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- Jan Simmonds
I think a lot of people LOVE to think negatively and don't want to think positively. They think FB is BAD and will ruin FF, but I think if they do it well, FB won't be the bad guy. I think most people who are irked about this are irked because they think the FFers "sold out" to the "man".
- Molly, "sorry"
@Mollyanna - I disagree. I am irked because the future of FF is completely uncertain. It's more likely that FB will let FF flounder and close it down than it is that FB will invest time and resources in maintaining and enhancing FF. FB has other interests and is splitting up the FF dev team. That does not bode well for FF. I don't begrudge the FF devs for taking the money. I would be...
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- Fa La La La Lindsay
Leo, I hope you mention FriendFeed in your Dubai TED talk ! :) I'll try to be there !
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
@Jan You're an asshat.
- Ian Wright
from BuddyFeed
leo, check out Streamy.com. I'm actually commenting to friendfeed from there right now...you may like it better.
- Casey Petersen
looooool =))
- ★amin.m★
Haiku Laporte
- Outsanity
that was cute! :O)
- Jeanne
@ian - "Wordsmith. Public relations undergraduate at The University of Texas. Feminist Capitalist. WordPress geek. Future commercial rights attorney"...surely that kind of asinine comment is beneath you!
- Jan Simmonds
Maybe they're just not that into you.
- Elizabeth Johnson
Wait... who's on first?
- Michael Rosenau
Logged in to suggest that many of us have tridden a similar path, but a lot of people have beaten me to it! I miss Pownce
- SpionKopRed
wow, Leo. You've got relationship issues!
- Justin Bradshaw
there there, Shawny's here...
- sofarsoShawn
I sense a pattern here.. maybe you always seem to go after web2.0 services that are bent on ditching you :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
RT @Hannaloves27: well most libs do have Quasi-socialistic tendencies. || Not that I'm aware of and I'm pretty far left. I'm a capitalist.
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I knew it. You... you... capitalist rational thinker you.
- Ian Wright
from BuddyFeed
@juliaallison My apartment is a small 1BR and I have a maid. It's life changing, trust me. @aubs convinced me to sack up and do it :)
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Good for you. Time is a valuable resource. Way to prioritize.
- Ian Wright
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The Coming Annie Leibovitz Fire Sale - annie leibovitz - Gawker - http://gawker.com/5326608...
Alex Scoble, Ercan Turksoy, Владимир and 67 other people liked this
"Annie Leibovitz, perhaps the highest-paid celebrity photographer in the world, is profoundly broke. She hocked every photograph she's ever produced and now the high-end pawnshop that gave her $24 million has filed suit to force her to sell it all. Art Capital Group is a financial firm that specializes in lending money for people who own valuable art. They're happy either getting back in cash or taking the art. Leibovitz, whose financial difficulties have been well-documented, mortgaged her homes and all her photographs to Art Capital and yesterday they filed suit for breach of contract, claiming she won't cooperate in their attempts to sell her pictures. Art Capital has loaned Leibovitz a total of $24 million since September of last year. They took as collateral the negatives and copyright to all of Leibovitz's photographs, as well as her homes in Rhinebeck, N.Y., and Greenwich Village. But they also extracted from her, according to a lawsuit filed today by Art Capital, both an...
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- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
What, our government, isn't going to do every thing in their power to let her keep her home just like every other US citizen who is behind on their mortgage? Insane!
- Wizetux
It is sad and amazing that someone who gets paid so much got so deep into debt.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I guess it is the old thing of having to live life like a rich person to ask for the big bucks also.
- Travis Koger
@Robert It is just the classic pit falls. People tend to always live outside of their means, and those that get large pay checks at once tend to do it more often because they spend it all at once thinking that the next one will be in when they run out.
- Wizetux
Whoa!
- BairdWilliamson
From a bit of Googling: her main difficulties stem from an inheritance, not living beyond her means. She inhereted the estate of her longtime partner Susan Sontag. Had they been married there would have been no taxes on their combined estate until both of them passed away, at which point their heirs would pay estate tax. As a gay couple, Leibovitz had to pay the estate tax immediately,...
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- DGentry
++Robert
- BEX
By the way I was standing right next to Annie when this photo was made of here. Here is my photo of her: http://m.flickr.com/#...
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
DGentry: thanks for that, amazing way to get into so much debt.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Shame that the feds and state will force her to sell her art. This is in-fact what you wanted, right Thomas? "Actually I don't think a backlash against the wealthy is a bad thing. Hopefully it can finally get some serious estate tax reform done. - Thomas Hawk"
- Robert Kenney
Combine a 20% flat tax on income with a 90% estate tax on estates over $5 million and you've got the winning combination. - Thomas Hawk
- Robert Kenney
Personally, I would prefer her to keep the estate, and her artwork, same as married couple would. Thank you for sharing this example of the impact of high estate taxes.
- Robert Kenney
I dont think it is an example of high estate taxes as much as it is an argument for gay marriage.
- MikeDeal / ZoneDancer
Oddly, few people look at such situations and determine that the government is out of control. Instead of just looking at such a situation and saying "Man, really? The government sucks!" they say "Ah man, they should have a loophole to solve this person's problem with the government." So many people think this is a great idea, to seize property based on nuanced little rules, situations, etc. But, it's for the children.
- Jason Nunnelley
I didn't fully research Leibovitz's and Sontag's politics, but it's safe to say they have supported Liberal policies and politicians and are not Conservatives. The effort that Leibovitz is displaying to avoid paying the estate taxes that are enacted by the liberals her state and federal government is telling. Why? Is it "rules for thee but not for me" ? She and her heirs deserve to keep her life's work. But one must reap what one sows.
- Robert Kenney
She is an adult and signed a legally binding contract that she would sell her artwork and real estate if she was unable to pay back a $24 million dollar loan. She needs to abide by the contract that she signed just like every other adult in America.
- David C. Cooper
Jeez, this is an amazing story. Why isn't the media all over this? When Ed McMahon was broke it made national news?
- Steve Rubel
This is incredible news. A complete personal fiasco.
- Mitch Featherston
+1 Wizetux and David. She took some some awful financial advice, and she has to pay the consequences.
- Bill Sodeman
While I support a higher estate tax, I also support an unlimited marital deduction that would apply to all married couples, including same sex married couples. But aside from that, even after paying for Sontag's estate tax liabilities she should have downsized her lifestyle if she couldn't afford it. I don't feel sorry for Annie here actually. There are lots of people who don't have a single home. She certainly could have downsized if this were the issue back when she inherited the property.
- Thomas Hawk
bear in mind that Annie's "home" in Rhinebeck NY is a 200 acre estate and that she's got three townhouses in Greenwich Village pawned. Bummer if she'd have to sell a few of them, but there are a lot of people that get by on a lot less.
- Thomas Hawk
So you assume that "rich" people are criminals and should be punished, and you also want to penalize single people? Whose money don't you want to seize commissar?
- Ian Wright
from email
Ian, I don't assume that rich people are criminals at all. Nor do I think that they should be punished. I think that the cost to society for letting people pass on amazing sums of money is too high. Once you have more than about $30 million or so there's really not much more you can do with it if you don't give it away. You can't spend it, you can't take it with you, you simply hoard it...
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- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, with $30 million somebody could invest in some very big companies which would create A LOT more jobs than the Obama/Reid/Pelosi "stimulus"/health care/cash for clunker B.S. Plus, you'd realize a great return. You can also help the world by creating charitable foundations with your extra money that do more good than the government could ever dream. In fact, this is exactly HOW wealthy people STAY wealthy. People who hoard their money, lose it all.
- David C. Cooper
What cost to society?
- Ian Wright
from email
@David C Cooper. completely agree. The "rich elite" who want to be taxed up the wazoo (I think they are not telling the truth) can certainly give the gov't more than "their share" if they want to. Nothing in the tax law that keeps them from that. Just don't expect everyone who worked their tail off from nothing to "rich" to want to part with what they EARNED more than everyone else.
- Jim Porett
This illustrates why it's so unfair that gay couples cannot marry - and be recognized federally. Even if/when states allow gay marriage, there are 1,000+ federal rights (like the one that @DGentry mentions above) that treats gay couples differently than hetero couples. If they weren't the same gender, this would have played out very differently.
- amygeek
Well said David.
- Ian Wright
from email
David. I think any money used to create charitable contributions should be exempt from all taxes. That's not the money I'm talking about. I'm talking about the billions of dollars that is passed inter-generationaly each year that really does nothing but sit in bank accounts, treasuries, tax exempt bonds and stocks. This money could be redistributed to improve schools, feed the poor,...
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- Thomas Hawk
The Government is not an example of a good steward.
- Jim Porett
Annie Leiboviz stripped away pop power and captured souls on plastic film. Like Annie's art, losing money strips pop power and shows humanity. Hope art emerges.
- Robert Higgins
Money is not a zero sum game. I believe humans create wealth. We use technology and ideas to make the world a better place. Everything that I create I get to keep. If I want to give it to someone, that's my business, not yours or any government. I don't think you know what zero sum game means in this context. If you honestly believe that humans have ceased to create wealth, then why...
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- Ian Wright
from email
A large overall percentage of dollars in our economy are at work. With banks loaning at 93%-96% of assets, that means that that money is working in small business, putting a car on the street, building a house, and on and on. Above their personal possessions (which when created made jobs, paid taxes, and generated revenue for someone), the rich have their money at work (and at risk)....
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- Robert Kenney
+1 amygeek and Robert Higgins. I am happy that Leibovitz's talents are impeccable to get her through this. Great art often comes from hardship, and her new work will be the best we have seen. Being of the Kellogg Corporation family line, I can attest that some very large trusts suddenly crashed with the economy, some to the tune of a 70% loss. Can't imagine that coupled with a large estate tax.
- E-Advocate Network
How can we possibily take the money passing trough generations? You mean Thomas we actually take it away from people? With which authority? And how Paris Hilton lifestyle is wrong? Just because we don't like it or because we don't agree on how she spend her money? What "moral" ground we have to say they are wrong? I might don't like it, but I will fight for the freedom of people to employ their money how they wish.
- Giorgio Burlini
from iPhone
"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is...
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- Mark Harai
Point of clarification on the above quote. The actual quote is "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the industrious out of it. You don't multiply wealth by dividing it. Government cannot give anything to anybody that it doesn't first take from somebody else. Whenever somebody receives something without working for it, somebody else has to work for it without...
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- Jim Porett
Interesting. It seems like the whole estate tax might be something of a red herring. From what I'm reading elsewhere it looks like Annie never even inherited Sontag's wealth but that rather it mostly went to Sontag's son David. "As spelled out in Sontag's will, the essayist/novelist left the bulk of her estate to her son, David Sontag Rieff. Leibovitz was left a maximum of four "articles of my tangible personal property," such as art, furniture and jewelry."
- Thomas Hawk
So maybe when Sontag died and her source of wealth and income were gone (by Sontag's choice to her son) Annie kept living like a billionaire when she should have started living like a multi-millionaire instead and thus ended up highly leveraged and in huge debt putting her where she is today. I still find it difficult to have a hell of a lot of sympathy for someone who is broke but...
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- Thomas Hawk
A few months ago I was a a pretty awesome Annie Liebovitz gallery exposition in Berlin. http://www.co-berlin.info/co-neu...
- Charbax
CNBC is reporting on this right now. They are saying that she's just not careful with money.
- Thomas Hawk
$24 million is due Sept. 8th.
- Thomas Hawk
I want to clear a few things up here. The debts Annie Leibovitz owes are not due to inheritance taxes. At the time of Susan Sontag's death, they were no longer dating (apparently Leibovitz had left her for someone else). In the will only a few sentimental items were left to her, the majority of the estate went to Susan's son.
- Steven Cains
Her financial errors were largely her own doing, she had a huge staff with all kinds of perks and bonuses. Also, while she was converting 2 townhouses into 1 she caused structural damage to another property and was forced to buy it.
- Steven Cains
+1 Steven. It takes an entourage to... to... my mind just failed, thanks to Annie's staggering idiocy.
- Bill Sodeman
Well, artists are not known for fiscal prudence. What artists are known for, in the financial realm, is generosity. They plow money back into circulation by spending it on themselves, their friends, family and in this case, staff/entourage. That's not idiocy; it's a way of life. Think: Leonard Cohen.
- Anna Camara
my WordPress installation got infected with this phishing code, beware of "Magic" username/password prompts. The fix: http://wordpress.org/support...
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@notsecretscoble I am thinking of unfollowing everyone and starting again too. The spam is killing me. How do you mass unfollow?
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he said on his friendfeed he was using socialtoo!
- Chris Clayton
Hi Darren. I suggest using TwitterKarma; you can mass unfollow if you want to, but you won't have to. It's easy to glance at all the profile avatars and click every one that looks even remotely suspicious (no face pic, or a commercial sales name, etc.). That way you won't have to unfollow yours truly. ;-)
- Dane Findley
Darren, let me know if I can help - yes, SocialToo will bulk unfollow for you. I'm the founder and developer behind SocialToo.
- Jesse Stay
I second the suggestion of Twitter Karma.
- Kyle Judkins
Twitter Karma or Tweepular.
- Kevin Montgomery
Senator Kirsten Gillibrand: Marriage Equality is the Equal Rights Battle of Our Generation - http://gayrights.change.org/blog...
Ian Wright liked this
American breeders with their kit and collossal unconcern are the bane of modern travel. (I say this as a breeder.)
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CEO of NPR is clear: they won't go paywall. She calls it a "mass delusion" in the news industry http://www.newsweek.com/id... (via @acarvin)
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The new NPR site is really well done. Good interview w/ Schiller as well.
- Ken Kennedy
When paywalls go up, the ones left standing will be orgs like NPR. Smart move on their part.
- Matt Mastracci
It really amazes me that the newspaper industry has so buried it's head in the sand and learned nothing from the other media outlets (chiefly the recording industry). It's really kind of sad that the entire industry really can't think, and find ways to innovate in the current realities of news. To me, it simply proves that the current news organizations will in fact die. Newspapers have...
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- Chad Albert
Some great quotes from the article, too: 'Frankly, if all the news organizations locked pinkies, and said we're all going to put up a big fat pay wall, you know what, more traffic for us.' -- Love it.
- Ken Kennedy
A remarkably blunt statement, all the more so since she is a former NY Times digital executive.
- Jay Rosen
Recall for back story the editor of the Financial Times claiming almost all serious news organizations will go with a pay model. We discussed it: http://ff.im/5jmCo
- Jay Rosen
Two questions, which always occur to me when New Media critics roll their eyes and mock news publishers for wanting paywalls: 1). If not some form of subscriptions, what will work? (And the answer, unless you are a genuine "gravedancer" cannot be a variation of Clay Shirky's now-famous formulation:"Nothing will work." I'm looking for real, helpful suggestions.) 2. The alternative to...
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- Jason Pontin
"As senior vice president and general manager of the NYTimes.com, Vivian Schiller presided over one of the industry's best-read Web sites..." Her words:."I am a staunch believer that people will not in large numbers pay for news content online. It's almost like there's mass delusion going on in the industry—They're saying we really really need it, that we didn't put up a pay wall 15...
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- Jay Rosen
NPR has subscription revenue AND $200+ million courtesy of Joan Kroc. Who needs a paywall when you have a moat of cash like that?
- Alan Mairson
I don't get it. IF Vivian Schiller is correct, IF it's a delusion, IF "people will not in large numbers pay for news content online," how does the $200 million Joan Kroc gave to NPR alter that equation for the news organizations planning to charge? She may be wrong in her interpretation of history, her predictions about user behavior may be off, but I don't see what the $8 million to $10 million in income from the endowment has to do with the situation for the news companies she's referencing.
- Jay Rosen
Agreed, Jay. Schiller estimates in that very article that the endowment (currently about $258M according to Wikipedia) would need to be $8 _billion_ to fully support "the operating budget of a large national-international news organization". 3.5% of that total in the bank is fantastic, but it doesn't make NPR magically immune to financial considerations.
- Ken Kennedy
Annual newsroom budget for the NYTimes is about $200 million.
- Jay Rosen
... My point: NPR has a business model that doesn't require a paywall—and that business model includes more Joan Krocs. The Washington Post & countless other papers don't have that option.
- Alan Mairson
Okay, they don't have that option because no one gave them a $200 million endowment. Message received. I heard you the first, second and third times you made this point, Alan. Full stop. And how does that point bear on the question of whether users will pay for online news? I must be really thick because I STILL don't get it.
- Jay Rosen
Well, Jay, I guess you didn't hear the other part of my message, which I've also repeated multiple times: paywalls are a "delusion"; paywalls are a "mass delusion." People won't pay for (most) content. Vivian Schiller is right. We agree with each other. Full stop. Everything okay thus far? .... Good. Now here's the second point: Listening to Vivian Schiller dismiss paywalls is like...
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- Alan Mairson
No, I'm sorry, it isn't. You must be referencing other listeners who, you are speculating, will not be convinced by her arguments because NPR has an endowment, so it's "easy for her to say." So who will they be convinced by? Bloggers with no skin in the game? http://tr.im/u7Ta Steve Yelvington? (career newspaper man) http://www.yelvington.com/node... Jeff Jarvis, who is now seen as an...
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- Jay Rosen
Who is the right messenger? The *current* VP for nytimes.com or the publisher of the Washington Post—because Vivian Schiller, like the bloggers you reference, no longer has any skin in the paywall game. She escaped a horrible situation at the Times—a great career move for her. But she's like the poor girl who marries rich—and then bad mouths all her old friends back home in the projects...
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- Alan Mairson
Absolutely: one's position and investment in the media system should affect how we read and interpret that person. Anyone who says Clay Shirky knows nothing about the media business is behaving like a clown, yes. By your own testimony the statement isn't true. "Can you believe that everyone isn't doing what Google is doing" doesn't describe anything I have said. Nor have I said that...
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- Jay Rosen
Thanks, Jay.
- Alan Mairson
Also, http://twitter.com/jayrose... ... "I am myself STRONGLY in favor of having pro journalists who get paid to do great work full time, and I consider them essential to the nation."
- Jay Rosen
Alan, I hear your point...but saying "Who is the right messenger? The *current* VP for nytimes.com or the publisher of the Washington Post" --- when that happens, they debate is over. That's like saying that until the opposing viewpoint agrees with me, my argument isn't valid.
- Ken Kennedy
In addition, I think the comparison of Schiller to a poor girl who married rich is a bit disingenuous. It's a valid decision to vote with your feet. If her analysis of the situation was that that the NYT wasn't moving from its delusional decision (that charging for commodity news is a good idea), and NPR seemed like a better fit and a more enlightened place to work...calling her a gold-digger is pretty unfair.
- Ken Kennedy
aside from the debate over who should be taken as credible in the discussion, isn't much of the newspaper's problem generating subscribers a result of sheer overcapacity? I counted the number of 'original' stories in my local paper this morning: 27% by number. Even less by column inch. If 73% of the news in a paper is syndicated, why would anyone pay for it multiple times and in an...
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- jeff hammond
@jason_pontin, the solution re:news media "pay wall" is here: http://businessmindhacks.com/post...
- Alex Schleber
Ken - If Katherine Weymouth says "paywalls are nuts," then the debate would be over ***at the Washington Post***. But it wouldn't end the industry-wide debate. Everyone would wait & see if the WaPo could make it work. See: TimesSelect. ... And yes, of course it's valid to vote with your feet. But sitting at the New York Times and saying "paywalls are delusional" is a negation, not a...
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- Alan Mairson
P.S. (I wrote this in a comment last night, but I accidently deleted it) As Jay knows, I was, until recently, a writer & editor for National Geographic magazine, the official journal of the National Geographic Society. When Joan Kroc dropped $200 million on NPR, you could hear the Society's foundation & grants people groan: "Why not us??" I think it's because National Geographic's...
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- Alan Mairson
I saw the comment last night, Alan. I'm not disputing your industry chops. *grin*
- Ken Kennedy
@Alan: wrt your comment, "And to call NPR "enlightened" is to suggest that the NYTimes is not." -- I didn't say that...I [edit] said that, to Schiller, NPR (might) "[seem like] a better fit and a more enlightened place to work". WRT this situation (news as commodity), I'd stand by (ie, agree with) that statement, based on what I know. Also, my point there was that your gold-digger comment was harsh, not that the NYT was a bad, evil place.
- Ken Kennedy
@Ken: FYI - I wasn't trying to establish my "chops" - just wanted to share a story that highlights the problem most newspapers & magazines will have emulating the NPR model. (If anyone could come close, it would be a non-profit like National Geographic. But, as I mentioned, I think Rupert & Co put the kabosh on that strategy. I hope I'm wrong, but NGS has been doing the foundation &...
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- Alan Mairson
Wow. 49 likes. Definitely an outlier in the "likes" department. Wonder why. :-)
- Jay Rosen
Liking is a lot easier than paying!
- Jim Norris
Coming in late, but... the NYT could only get 225K online subscribers during the paywall era to cough up $50 each. To me, that suggests that even if people haven't yet thought of any good, non-advertiser alternatives to paywalls, paywalls themselves won't work.
- Andrew C
If I understand Jay's argument, we are in agreement, for once. (I put aside his reflexive and unhelpful personal invective - "clown," etc. - as a feature of his prose style.) I don't get Vivian Schiller's point, either. People *are* paying for NPR's content - in the form of small donations by the millions of dollars, in large endowments like Joan Kroc's, and in some (dwindling)...
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- Jason Pontin
OTOH, Cook's Illustrated has 260K subscribers to their online site ( http://www.37signals.com/svn... ), but then again that's a very different business in all sorts of ways...
- Andrew C
original article is a great read.
- Chieze Okoye
@Alan...no worries! I did actually, first pass, misunderstand your NatGeo point. I hear what you're saying there. Also glad we've connected...you're posting some interesting stuff. @Andrew...the Cook's Illustrated comparison IS relevant, IMO, b/c as you note, they're different. The value that people are paying for is about as far from "news [or food, in this instance] as commodity" as...
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- Ken Kennedy
Too bad NPR is so obviously biased. Nothing says "tax revolt" like our tax dollars supporting liberal propaganda. >.>
- David C. Cooper
Jarvis with a word on this article http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009...
- Jay Rosen
OpenID for Google Apps is Here, But Not Everybody's Happy http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterpr...
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What can you learn by who people follow? I compare Twitter accounts of http://twitter.com/jeff http://friendfeed.com/timorei... http://twitter.com/notsecr... http://friendfeed.com/davew http://twitter.com/ev and discuss what I learned:
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@jeff is Jeff Clavier, well known Silicon Valley Venture Capitalist. @timoreilly is Tim OReilly who runs O'Reilly Publishing. @davewiner is Dave Winer is a famous developer/innovator. @ev is Evan Williams, Twitter CEO. @notsecretscoble is my account where I've hand picked about 800 to follow.
- Robert Scoble
1. Jeff is most like me. Very geeky, but he has far fewer people he's following than the others.
- Robert Scoble
2. Tim O'Reilly follows lots of government people and brands, which matches what he recently told me, that he's trying to learn more about Washington DC.
- Robert Scoble
Looks like this might become a compelling conversation.
- David Damore
3. I also compared @ev (Ev Williams, Twitter's CEO). His used to match much more closely Dave Winer's or Tim O'Reilly's accounts, but now has many more movie stars and celebrities.
- Robert Scoble
4. There are a lot of commonalities between all these accounts.
- Robert Scoble
5. On my account if I couldn't tell you a story about the person, I didn't add them. Most of the people on my following account I've met face-to-face.
- Robert Scoble
6. Most of the others follow a lot more brands than I do, both news brands like the New York Times, as well as other brands. I like following people more than brands.
- Robert Scoble
What else would you like to know?
- Robert Scoble
7. I am more convinced than every that the inbound people pay attention to DOES define who they are.
- Robert Scoble
What is one insight you have pulled from those you follow?
- David Damore
David: that following people you've met face-to-face is more enjoyable than following just 100,000 that you haven't met.
- Robert Scoble
David: and that keeping the inbound (IE, people you follow) down to people who REALLY add value to you, makes the signal MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH higher.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with number 7. I also like to keep my twitter full of people I mostly know, have met or want to meet.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Your follows will be mostly US-based people, and wherever you visit, then?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Washington DC? He picked a complicated enough place to learn about.
- Dean Clark
I have two screens, one with the 100,000 and one with my 700 hand picked followings and, damn, the two aren't even close to in the same league.
- Robert Scoble
be. careful. robert. all that testosterone is a DANGEROUS thing!
- jeneane sessum
those 99k are a lot of extra noise... A threshold level of relevancy is hard to get from those you don't know.
- David Damore
Aaman: not true. I've been all over the world and have people all over the world in my list.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I agree with the face-to-face part. Thats what makes tweetups so great. You get to meet the ones you follow and vice versa.
- Bryan Lee
David: yeah, but I don't think the noise is due to not having met them. It's due to something else.
- Robert Scoble
David: even on my list there are some who provide GREAT value and some who just are, well, noisy.
- Robert Scoble
Robert Scoble: What is that app you run that tracks your travels? Remember seeing it all the time months back.
- David Damore
I like to follow people with whom I have something in common (programmers, tech people, geeks) that I can feel connected to. But I also follow a few related to my company's (GoldMail) business, and a few unrelated just because they seem interesting. Wjhat does that say about me?
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
When ever I follow someone back, I usually ask is that person someone I would be interested in meeting. If the answer is no, then I don't follow. I think this idea will start to be the way that twitter evolves rather than a race to see who can get more followers. Its about engagement and value rather than a noisy number.
- Luke Kilpatrick
David: I think there's an 80/20 rule going here. 20% provide 80% of the value, and the fact that there's a lot of commonality shows that most of us recognize that value pretty quickly. So there is something to popularity (real popularity, not the fake kind as granted by the Twitter Suggested User List).
- Robert Scoble
David: Dopplr? If I keep it up, that is. TripIt is my favorite travel app.
- Robert Scoble
If you knew them... a tweet such as... "baby is sick tonight" reaches the threshold.... so when you talk with the contact.... you can ask about the baby... The relationship takes what one person calls noise and makes it relevant information.
- David Damore
RobinDotNet: I think that is a good strategy for twitter. I usually follow that same paradigm.
- Bryan Lee
Yep. beleive it was Doplr. Pareto, know it well. So critical to know and understand.
- David Damore
David: good point, you'll put up with more noise from people who are closer to you because that noise becomes more useful.
- Robert Scoble
I don't care how many follow me. I won't follow someone just because they follow me. Lots of them are parasitic, just want something from me -- buy something or click through.
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
Twitter and technology for that matter are so free flowing in how they can be used. There is no on right way to use. People need to remain flexible and adaptable to changing conditions.
- David Damore
Robin: I agree with you there. On the other hand, it is interesting to see if people you like are following you. Even more importantly, do they engage with you and really read you?
- Robert Scoble
David: all of the people I studied tonight had quite different lists than they had a year ago. The most different from a year ago? @ev's.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: How do you gauge how those who follow you perceive you? Its a difficult task, is it not?
- Bryan Lee
Bryan: get them drunk and ask. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Would you say those folks are all successful? My guess is that they all are. Success like innovation is build upon leveraging changing conditions.
- David Damore
Oh, people who follow more than 2,000? Useless.
- Robert Scoble
LoL Nice one.
- Bryan Lee
David: but the way people use technology evolves as the technology matures. There are so many different ways to use a communication tool. Twitter, and things like it are a bit of a new kind of animal versus what was there before. I personally rank twitter or friendfeed, up there with the website, the bbs and Instant Messaging as a communication media that can change in may ways.
- Luke Kilpatrick
David: yes. And they all are among my favorite people to read.
- Robert Scoble
Good thing I only follow 1,200 or so peeps,
- David Damore
David: yeah, about 2,000 is the cut off for intimacy. I've been all over the world and met with many thousands of people and I still struggle to come up with more than that. I'm not adding everyone I've met just to try to keep noise down.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you're right, I think by "I don't care" I mean I don't follow back without checking people out, or at least read their previous tweets. I like it when people I know join Twitter, but few of my friends have. Not very geeky. One of the great things about Twitter is that I have been able to connect to so many others who are geeks, who understand why my pulse quickens when I walk into a Fry's store. :-)
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
1,200? I check my list at least once a month to get rid of people and haven't really ever gone over 100 for long.
- Dean Clark
I wouldn't keep up with 300 to follow, gotta work sometimes ;)
- Franck Curier
Luke: whats the difference between twitter and basically "public email"? Its a communication tool that everyone can see. Thats how I perceive it, except for the DMs.
- Bryan Lee
I follow more than I am followed by about a 2-1 ratio. That's because I am using Twitter to listen and engage as much, if not more, than I use Twitter to broadcast. But still, I'm close to my limit (around 1k). And I'm starting to purge those who I thought might be interesting but are just there for marketing. I'm there to learn and meet, not be sold.
- AllisonWagda
Right now I'm looking at @Furrier's list. He's following 2,360, which is too many, but love that he follows PGAGolf. These things tell you a lot about a person, as much as Facebook's profile does!
- Robert Scoble
I think that 250-350 reasonable twitterers works well. More if you can cut out the blabber mouths.
- Sam Pullara
@Scoble: Would also apply the 80/20 to 2000. If the top 20% post all the :"great" content one could follow many more people. The problem with following more than say 800 is that you lose out on the low velocity users. For those folks it might be a better idea to set up an RSS feed for them.
- David Damore
Being one of the founders, @ev should be considered differently, whenever you examine his followers list, after all most people would probably prefer getting CEO's feed, hoping to get quality info regarding Twitter. As for the rest, many people would rather prefer following quality content and engaging users, while followers "hunters" will go with everyone, because they think their voice will resonate best with bots.
- Nir Ben Yona
Sam: that number will vary based on how good a networker they are. My brothers? Probably only need that many. I need more than 1,000.
- Robert Scoble
Sam, how do you define blabbermouth?
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
Allison: I'm a bit of a lurker as well. I learn more from twitter than I contribute but I'm trying to change that.
- Bryan Lee
Bryan: 1. The 140 limit makes you be clearer in your thoughts. 2. Its a broader reach than an email. 3. The almost countless ways to consume a twitter feed on many devices. 4. Twitter is a networking tool that can get you introduced to someone in a way that email can not. I have met more and built more relationships via twitter than any other tech.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Nir: knowing @ev I assume that the movie stars are there just for business reasons, not for personal reasons. I bet that if @ev wasn't running Twitter he'd be complaining about all the celebrities on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Bryan - I didn't mean I'm quiet on Twitter - I'm *way* too social to keep my mouth shut. ;)
- AllisonWagda
In a way, who you follow is a sort of gesture. I follow some people that I want to interview, or that I think will signal to the rest of you the kinds of people I want to be introduced to at parties. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Luke: Those are all correct, its the next evolutionary step in communication. Just like email was over its predecessor, snail mail.
- Bryan Lee
Wow, John Furrier follows all the high tech brands. He's signaling to the world that he wants to do business with them. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: That's interesting. Clearly, I don't have any idea about it, but I think we've all seen that implication, in Twitter's leaked documents (re: Diddy).
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert, et al. - this is a great conversation! I am really thinking I need to totally clean out my follows. Signal to Noise ratio has really gotten bad, even with Tweetdeck and other tools
- Susan Beebe
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One thing I notice about @ev's tweets is they don't seem to be targeted for any segment of followers. Where my tweets usually fall into either Adobe Usergroups / ColdFusion / Fireworks, Social media or Surfing. Do you find that you tweet with a targeted segment of your followers in mind?
- Luke Kilpatrick
Luke: with Tim O'Reilly? Absolutely. With the others there's a focus, but not as focused as Tim.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I do enjoy following Tim O'Reilly as almost all of his posts have a good and relevant link to what I am interested in. He is definitely in my want to meet someday category.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Sometimes I follow someone for one reason, then find them interesting for another reason too. Luke-- would like to come watch you surf. Find it fascinating. Watched it a lot last time I was in Hawaii.
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
Robin : I go out everyday almost, let me know when ever you can make the trip to Half Moon Bay. Still you never get the full feel of surfing until you do it.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Luke, I'll do that! I do come over that way every now and then. Just had knee surgery, swimming forbidden for 4 months. I'd be happy to hang out on the beach in the wind and sun. Or just the wind, since a reputable source said there's no traffic in HMB unless it's sunny.
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
This topic brings back to mind one feature I would like TweetDeck to provide, the ability to share groups as OPML. In my other account I receive more tweets than I can read, so my columns are organized by interest priority, I just realized that this won't help too much your analysis since Ev and Dave usually tweet from web and Jeff and Tim from Seesmic.
- Alberto Saavedra
As I thought @Furrier is following a lot of dead accounts, so he isn't keeping his Following list very clean. I've found this to be true of almost every one with more than 2,000 accounts.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble: What did you use to check for "dead accounts"?
- David Damore
David: manually going through each of them and seeing the last entry is "follow me over here" or seeing that they haven't updated in a year.
- Robert Scoble
I am intrigued by how small the group who has influence is... It seems to be less than 50 people!!
- Wayne Mansfield
Wayne: nah, it's actually a few hundred. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Thought there was an app for that.
- David Damore
Hi Robert. I'd be interested to know *why* your list is using Twitter - their primary purpose. Is it to sell things, because they think they should be there, to keep abreast of what others are doing, to find opportunities...all of these? None?
- WorldofHiglet
WorldofHiglet: most of us started in the early days, when it was something cool to do to keep in touch with other people in the valley and SF. Now it's changed to be more business and/or building a specific kind of audience.
- Robert Scoble
I think everyone uses twitter in a slightly different way, many start using it for one reason and end up with another. I started using it to keep up with Adobe Usergroup People scattered across the planet but, I find I use it more for sharing Surfing info with a collection about about 100 surfers around the world.
- Luke Kilpatrick
That's what I thought, and the use seems to have changed organically. But it seems that Twitter is less relevant now to some of these early adopters. Is this because they are getting what they need (whatever that might be) from something else or is it more to do with them having changed the way they do things?
- WorldofHiglet
Robert a few hundred is still not many... for the power of the medium!!
- Wayne Mansfield
WorldofHiglet: a lot of the early adopters are on Facebook or FriendFeed, so their usage has spread out. But there's still a lot on Twitter. I'm watching the flow and it's going pretty good.
- Robert Scoble
I agree Twitter has a lot of legs to it yet - I was thinking more that some early adopters are at the end of the user life cycle for Twitter (I was reading this earlier http://ui-patterns.com/blog... and it seemed relevant)
- WorldofHiglet
I think friendfeed has captured up many of the early adopters as you can have great conversations on it like this one. It kinda reminds me of the old days of IRC, but with a more focused topic and engaged group. Also much more open with peoples real identities rather than anonymous user names. I like how more people are willing to user their real identity online now.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Luke, I think Shane made a good point regarding the basic difference between FF comments and IRC back on another thread with, "live commenting on a blog or FF doesn't necessarily demand all attention like IRC or IM would tend to make you feel you have to stay participating. Remember, some people still have fun with the conversation and add value even though they don't realize it's live" http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Micah Wittman
@Luke: I still love IRC, primarily because it's much smaller groups, much less noise, and you can get to know people much better. I think IRC will always be my first love when it comes to real-time online communication with a group. I always felt like Twitter was broken compared to IRC, because it was like people were there but not there and it's not the same crowd for everyone there,...
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- April Russo (app103)
I just find that IRC can be random and reasonably exclusive. I have pretty much stopped using IRC about 8 years ago when most of the people I regularly communicated moved over to instant messaging. Friendfeed is bringing back the public face of IRC, but with the longer term archive of the conversation that is lost on IRC. Every tech has its strengths and weaknesses. Just like I tell most of the fan boys I meet, I use the best tool I can find for the job at hand.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Luke: I totally agree with you. I used to be a heavy IRC user. I will +NEVER+ go back.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, One of the things that is interesting about what you put out with this discussion is how radically different approaches and methodology can still present specific results based on search and keyword approaches. In this case, each user demonstrates to the rest of us how to exactly get what you want out of twitter, and for that matter friendfeed and facebook too.
- Alan W Silberberg
I really wish that FriendFeed was threaded so we could really have this conversation as it is interesting and I'd like to engage with it... however, this endless list of comments is terrible. Robert: I can see how it is possible to follow 1000 people if that is what you do for a living, like you do. RobinDotNet: someone who says more than 10 things a day with a low signal to noise ratio but has some hidden gems. I use FriendFeed to find the gems by following them here and waiting for comments.
- Sam Pullara
On my @thomasknoll account I follow over 1k people that I have met, or who are interested in a few things I pay close attention to (social anthropology, community building, value networks). I don't know everyone on that account personally, but I do remove noise. I have another private account where I only follow people who I would happily give a key to my home.
- Thomas Knoll
I follow some people just to get a conflicting view from what I believe. Just because you follow does not mean you are an actual follower.
- Ken
I've been struggling with my "follow" policy for a while. As time goes on and I meet more and more people face to face, I'm moving slowly in that direction. I might just completely adopt it after SXSW '10.
- Trent Hamm
Twitter is extremely limited in that it isn't possible to set up groups, so in fact one has to set up different accounts. I have one account that is quite small, updates protected, that follows only a handful of people I know personally. I can see every update in this account easily (oops, have to use the new official term "tweet"). I have another account that doesn't tweet and only...
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- Robert Morrison
Review of Lifestream Backup | Small Business Trends - http://smallbiztrends.com/2009...
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A review of the software that lets you back up your social profiles.
- Tamar Weinberg
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Feminist Daily News 7/9/2009: Massachusetts Sues US over Discriminatory Marriage Law - http://feminist.org/news...
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"Massachusetts filed a lawsuit against the federal government yesterday, challenging the legality of the Defense of Marriage ACT (DOMA). Passed in 1996, DOMA defines marriage as between one man and one woman and denies federal recognition of same-sex marriages. The lawsuit, filed by state Attorney General Martha Coakley, claims that the law forces the state to discriminate against its approximately 16,000 same-sex married couples."
- Justin Yost
I am on the phone with Audible to put my membership on hold. I asked the guy that I could have sworn the option to cancel was on the site before and now it isn't. He said that if you cancel your membership once before, they remove the online cancellation option. EPIC FAIL
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Weak!
- Ian Wright
from BuddyFeed
Lame.
- Michelle Martinez
@Jess Exactly!
- Shevonne
wtf?
- Carlos Ayala
There's an actual real-live thunderstorm in Austin. It feels positively not like 105 degrees out there!
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I love Drupal and Joomla, but it's too bad they're written in PHP... which is kind of an antique compared to newer stuff like Ruby on Rails... the next generation of cool CMS platforms will probably be running something like Rails, not PHP.
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Or Python.
- Cristo
Could have been worse. They could have been written in Perl.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
The language of choice is just a tool. What's important is the final result (even if it's in assembly ;)).
- Emil Kirichev
Wait, what? PHP is old now? Damn, languages are falling out of use quicker than I can learn 'em.
- Slappy Line
Is there a concrete benefit to why they'd be written in Rails and not PHP besides PHP is not as new or cool as Rails?
- Mark Trapp
actually PHP is a programing language but rails is a framework. framework can not be as powerful as a programing language. there are a few similar rails like framework for PHP such as cakephp and symfony
- امیرعباس
Probably only if you're really into object-oriented programming. Ruby was built from the ground-up to be object-oriented. PHP, like Perl, had it grafted on.
- Victor Ganata
Too bad the works of Shakespeare are written in Early Modern English. So much potential for a re-write there.
- Micah Wittman
Yeah, because Drupal is like Shakespeare.
- Cristo
Exactly. And Joomla is like Christopher Marlowe.
- Micah Wittman
Hmmm... PHP is to Rails as Bacon is to Cow. PHP == Ruby == Python == Perl ==.... One problem I see with using a framework like Rails, Django, Symfony, Catalyst, etc, is that developers are constrained by the box presented by the framework. Get outside the box and *boom* you probably just forked the framework, and you might as well go fully custom anyway, which is where we started...
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- Andy Bold
Zope and Plone -- built on Python -- have been around for years and have yet to catch on fire. The coolness of the underlying language has little bearing on the success of the product. (Which pains me, because I'm fond of Python. And Zope and Plone.)
- Fred Yankowski
This deserved a blog post, with a fitting title: A thought on Ignorance http://short.ie/0mt8af
- Che Hodgins
Che, that was insightful. You might want to avoid using the word ignorance so easily.
- Cristo
I don't know, are frameworks really that constraining? What prevents you from using plain Ruby in your Rails app, or plain Perl in your Catalyst app? In terms of functionality, sure, the language shouldn't matter so long as it's Turing-complete. But you've got to admit, some languages are much uglier than others. But even this doesn't really matter unless you actually intend to modify the code.
- Victor Ganata
Cristo, thanks for advice.. I know what you mean. :)
- Che Hodgins
Ruby on Rails and PHP are completely different things. I perfer Joomla over Drupal but looking at current framework cms systems which there are some out there - ruby on rails is a framework incase you don't know ;) - then they suck in comparison to a programming language cms (php based etc) such as Joomla and Drupal.
- Nicholas James
Yahoo! runs on PHP for the most part. We would probably have to quadruple the amount of hardware we use if we moved to Rails because of the performance problems of Ruby.
- Mistletoe Glen
You're using Python right now.
- Cristo
Rails is new? My I thought interest in rails had peaked and was already fading.
- Henry Holtzman
I dare you to write a Drupal clone for Rails and get it to scale as well as it does on PHP :) I'm not saying that Rails isn't capable or not awesome in it's own right, but I believe that for massive sites (which Drupal/PHP handles quite well) Rails won't be as effective.
- Mo Kargas
I know a year ago Twitter was supposedly abandoning Rails precisely because of the scaling issues and planning to use a different language and framework. Did this end up happening?
- Victor Ganata
I agree the language isn't as important as the end result, look at Facebook chat powered with Erlang. Erlang really that's not a sexy language, but it made a sexy app.
- Justin Yost
Any votes for Django?
- Inside Alaska
I love the houses of parliament but too bad they are not made of glass and steel right?
- Ben
having been trained in OOP using Java, PHP seems quite comfortable to me! but i agree that the language is less important than what is built with it, so whatever people prefer to code in, they should be encouraged :)
- Mike Chelen
Are Rails programing primitives really as durable and scalable as PHP has proven to be?
- James Watters
The thing I hate about Drupal is the way that the PHP templates intermingle code and presentation. I'd really like to see a CMS built in Grails (I'm a Java programmer) that has a really clean MVC separation.
- Peter Kelley
Peter, since you mentioned Grails, you may be interested in this podcast: http://www.webdevradio.com/ - Grails gets a lot of air time there. Cheers!
- Micah Wittman
Reimplementing the exact functionality of an existing CMS just to write it in another language does seem kind of a waste, although I guess it would be a great way to learn a new language. Does Rails still not scale well despite swallowing up Merb?
- Victor Ganata
Wow, there's a lot of misinformation in this thread on all sides... suffice to say you should evaluate your options thoroughly and choose the language that lets you be most productive. With the hardware available today most projects will never hit scaling barriers on the web side. Pay a LOT of attention to the database software and design though, because that's where the bottlenecks will come from.
- jakebf
trailer for new "Fame" movie. everything old is new again ...except me.
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Can't wait to see it.
- Ian Wright
from BuddyFeed
RT @danpatterson BREAKING: ABC News confirms Michael Jackson has died | Shocking. I remember when I got my 'Thriller' casette tape.
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Nutella gelato friends. And it is good. http://yfrog.com/eetr4dj
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I had this in Philly!!!!
- Shevonne
Sounds good!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I have to try this somewhere.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
gelato alla nocciola? [puts hands together in prayer] [shakes hands] [rolls eyes heavenward] sì, grazie!
- Karim
YUM! Gelato al Nutella... ella... ella... eh eh eh.
- Parth Awasthi
*drooooooooool*
- Ayşe E.
I wish I had the words to tell you how good this was. Proof is like 3 doors down the street from my new office. While that's dangerous enough they now have a roving gelato cart: http://www.consuminglouisville.com/2009... Since my desk is literally at the front window at street level I imagine I'll be flagging them down frequently.
- Michelle Jones
Cultural differences between the US and the UK
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The Top Paid App in the Singapore store is Airport Mania: First Flight.
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Is there a site that lists "top apps" from various/all countries ?
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Classic...
- Rob Kramer
so telling...
- Brian Appleby
That says it all
- Darrell Bell
So when are they going to release an app for "Ow! My balls!"
- April Buchheit
+++April
- Kamilah Gill
Is the UK bestseller just a re-packaging of CIA world factbook? Or is there more to it?
- Hiro Asari
You see, we gotta test for moron's the UK teaches them
- Ryan Gerritsen
It's actually the same app, just different marketing. Yes?
- Mike Beck
What does "we gotta test for moron's the UK teaches them" mean?
- Gabe
Our beer-drinking football-hooligan contingent are still saving up for their iPhones.
- Tim Tyler
World Cup Ping Pong here in France, don't know what that means ?!
- Benoit Cazenave
"Zoom in / Camera zoom" : the Top Paid App in Switzerland
- tomavana
I'd suggest that in *paying* for an app called "The Moron Test" you've already passed it.
- thepete
thepete: passed or failed?
- Gabe
that was really great kevin :)
- Alp
Is there anything else interesting about the rest of the list?
- David Chartier
from BuddyFeed
Hilarious!
- Vera Hannaford
crushingly depressing. ugh.
- daisy
World cup ping pong is the top paid app in Italy too. And even top free app. What's the point with that?
- ialla
Hehe
- WorldofHiglet
Excellent catch! :)
- Ozkan Altuner
The engineer in me is irritated by the simple apps make it to the top of the AppStore; the artist in me is delighted :)
- Ian
sad, but funny
- Rick Cogley
Proud to be an American! LOL
- Susan Beebe
That says a lot.
- Chuck Adams
Yes, it does say a lot. =)
- Zed Darkman
Don't need no stinkin' facts...
- Kevin Pedraja
But it's got a red button!
- Brian Bufalo
One thing I have noticed is that in any ovie, v show, etc where anything odd happens, the English are always portrayed as standing in place saying something like "This can't be happening" or some stupid thing like that, when it clearly IS happening. Is this some sort of national trait? I like to think that if, say, the dead rise and turn on the living, I would fight back + run to safety FIRST and worry about the ontological implications after.
- Neal Jansons
Here Neal, you dropped an "m" and a "t" :)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
well, it's almost a month later but anyway in Canada the top three are currently Sims 3, StoneLoops and StickWars
- Richard Akerman
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- 拓 | wavesand
from email
Laugh, sure. But your pounds sterling end up in a California bank account. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
My cousin dl'ed the Moron Test and tried to get me to take it. I told him he'd already failed because he was a moron for buying it in the first place. He was unamused. I wasn't.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Lol Amanda
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
To be fair, he's kind of a tool, so it's less a reflection of the app and more a reflection of how much I want to throw him off the nearest high-rise.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I notice that the U.S. is no longer a nation of morons -- for the last few days, "The Sims 3" is #1, so we're now a nation of replicants.
- Stephen Mack
got this after my first intelligent use of ff filtered search. populist USA likes to feign ignorance and UK likes to superficial awareness
- Lane Rapp
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I'm sitting with @anamitra who is the "monetization guy" at Twitter. Here's some things he's told me, and you can ask your own ?'s:
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They are resisting moving toward advertising models, instead looking to sell features and data to businesses.
- Robert Scoble
He's giving the keynote this morning at the Twitter conference.
- Robert Scoble
There is a Twitter conference? Streaming?
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
He believes that consumers won't buy "premium features" but that businesses will.
- Robert Scoble
What kinds of features?
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Darin, sorry, no streaming. Bandwidth here is really bad.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe Twitter should buy Yammer to get a decent premium offer.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Steve: things like data about engagement for brands, or sentiment, etc.
- Robert Scoble
They should define a "business" as anyone with over 5000 followers or something. These are the people using Twitter to monetize their own stuff, so Twitter should monetize them in return.
- Keith Fulton
What services could Twitter sell that are already not being sold or are free with other services?
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
will they sell vanity urls? Oh, wait...Twitter gives those out for free. So what features?
- Jerry Chacon
Keith, he says that's not an easy question. He says that they can separate out people who are using Twitter for commecial purposes.
- Robert Scoble
Use an Amazon affiliate URL, get sent to the penalty box!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Think he is right on advertising, look at Open Table IPO, 30% above the IPO price last week, pay per head not pay per view with the business picking up the tab could be the right model. Online ads will get flat with actionable metrics paid by companies that are not tied to ads should be huge but will be a beast to program for companies. Middleware programmers will clean up in this big new shift.
- Chad Harris
I think media outlets who for instance use a # for a specific show could be charged for it? There are lots of ways that # could be used (and also abused/spammed)
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
Jerry: the data set that Twitter has is quite interesting. That was pretty much the theme of the conference. Lots of developers here are studying the data. One developer last night bragged to me that he has 800 million rows in his dataset. That's the new status. How many millions of rows can you push into Slicehost!
- Robert Scoble
I have an idea for the monetization guy --- Don't sell out to the "celebrities" and auto-recommend people for new accounts because they have paid. The people that really use social media aren't idiots and we don't want our computers to be full of TV and Radio ads. If you put ads in front of our faces, we will go somewhere else. Old media is DEAD!!!
- T.S. Elliott
T.S.: agreed. I think that's why Twitter is so resistant to advertising models.
- Robert Scoble
How will twitter differentiate itself from other twitter search / data miners out there?
- Jerry Chacon
Jerry - my thoughts exactly....
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Robert: I'd ask if they're currently generating any revenue, and whether they're selling analytics/aggregated data at the moment.
- Ken Sheppardson
Totally agree T.S. Elliott
- Amiroo ™
T.S. the one that's really going to clean up here is Google, anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: he says they don't have much revenue yet. Almost none.
- Robert Scoble
Given the focus on revenue, won't Twitter now charge google for access to the data + metadata?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: The thing that FB has that TW doesn't is lots of closed groups -- you said so yourself -- so in the mining game, FB has an advantage over everyone else. TW doesn't seem to have the same kind of advantage. Which causes me to wonder if the only thing left is a Netgravity-esk feature of targeting ads based on some sort of deep algorithm.
- Jerry Chacon
Jerry: easy. They have the full dataset. Everyone else only has pieces.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I'm not sure about that. Pre-acquisition, Summize had a full set.
- Jerry Chacon
Mike: I asked that and he answered that he doesn't know what kind of partnerships Twitter will work on with the search data.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: translation: if they are working on such a deal with Google they aren't willing to talk about it yet.
- Robert Scoble
Re: Ads not working. People respond well to Entertaining content that advertises. It can be done. I welcome good ads on twitter.
- Ian Wright
from BuddyFeed
So what does this TW guy think of the conversation that has cropped up here on FF in just over a minute?
- Jerry Chacon
Jerry: yup, Facebook has many advantages Twitter doesn't. Twitter has advantage over Facebook, though. A larger public dataset and a brand that's white hot. Plus developers are building lots of cool stuff because Twitter is more open with its dataset (Facebook only lets developers store data for 24 hours).
- Robert Scoble
Ian, wouldn't a "good ad that entertains" be exactly what Twitter wants - a thoughtful brand that is using metadata to focus responses to active folks
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jerry, I haven't shown him what I'm doing here yet. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Chacon - he probably thinks "the Twitter API is awesome!"
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Off to work for me...thanks for the conversation guys.
- Jerry Chacon
hehe - ask him if we can pay to have all of our past twitter posts available instead of some arbitrary limit based on good the database is feeling today ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jerry: I think this is what Twitter has to get right, facillitating the conversation. Now it is to much seperate messages shooting around, if you pass the 75 friends or more.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Ruud: That's where FF blows Twitter out of the water.
- Jason Hansen
He corrected me and said "I'm not the monetization guy, I'm just a PM."
- Robert Scoble
so does he know anything then and what does he think of FF?
- Thomas Power
Are there any particular feature sets they are waiting for (outside) developers to write?
- τorƍue
robert - will they offer third party devs a chance to inject metadata back into the stream and share in the revenue?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
And his project is to manage monetization right? :)
- lisa padilla
BTW... anyone know how Seesmic & Tweetdeck plan to "monetize" ?
- MarkHirsch
Mark - Loic has mentioned a couple items already publicly, but yes we are looking into multiple ways to monetize
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mark: I'm sure those applications will have a paid version later on. Tweetdeck is still in beta, not sure about Seesmic as I don't use it.
- Jason Hansen
Mike & Jason... thanks... sorry for getting a little off topic..
- MarkHirsch
It still seems like a pay-to-post model for very large posters is the most obvious way to monetize to me. They are the ones getting monetary value from their posts. What is hard to define about that? Or is it that those people (Oprah, Ashton) are the ones creating the buzz about Twitter and we don't want to drive them away now that they are big?
- Keith Fulton
Are they going to sell the real time data?
- Francine Hardaway
Business accounts could work just like Facebook fan pages except they'd be paid to access. For instance - bulk mail all of your followers a full-length message...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Daniel that would suck!
- Francine Hardaway
Hardaway - what's so bad about that? You can always unfollow people who have premium accounts if they spam you.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
I'm really curious to see what comes out of this data that's valuable to businesses. In my feed, I only see a really small percentage of Tweets relating to a particular business or customer service need. And those businesses tend to fall into a somewhat small niche of websites, entertainment (music/movies), Apple and telecom complaints.
- blake
Which person is making biggest contributions to the 2010Web? I'm making a list, see it here:
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Here's the list: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub... I need your help in improving it! How did I make this list? I scoured my business cards and my contact list and we brainstormed and came up with this list of 325 people. It's just a starting point.
- Robert Scoble
The green lines, by the way, are people who are on friendfeed. That tells me whether they are really exploring the 2010web or not.
- Robert Scoble
Got any other people who should be on this list? Let me know here.
- Robert Scoble
Over the next few days this list will get dramatically longer and better.
- Robert Scoble
*waving* hey Robert. have you met Xiao Fengjin? Founder of Linkool Labs behind the Juice app. http://www.linkool.biz/ and her Twitter http://twitter.com/xiaofengjin -- try not to base opinion to heavily on FriendFeed use. You'll miss out on some cool folks overseas not using it. :)
- So Much More Hawaii
Some on this list are journalists/bloggers. Some are very techie/developers. Some are marketers. Some are VCs. Some are entrepreneurs. Some are CEOs. Some are researchers. Some are power users who are pushing the web in interesting ways. I am looking to build a diverse group of people who are pushing the 2010web forward.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know exactly who are the folks who are doing it - but the people who are making the great "detect your browser and if a mobile browser, show a well made, fully functional but mobile browser friendly version of the site" (see Gawker's site on an iphone for example) are among those making a big impact on the 2010 web
- Shannon Clark
I suspect the people who will are not on the list yet - they are in china, india, or perhaps south africa or denmark and not on the Anglo Saxon radar
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
So Much More Hawaii: I agree. I'm off to look through my Twitter and Facebook lists next. Joelle: that's why I'm asking here, so the list gets better.
- Robert Scoble
Good point by Shannon - fixing what's there might be a bigger impact, but it will never be recognised as such.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
But everyone on this list will eventually be on friendfeed. Why? Because I'm building a private group to discuss some stuff with them. That'll help us all eventually.
- Robert Scoble
*ack* that was me Robert. So Much More Hawaii aka Christine Lu. (i'm in Hawaii this week for Hawaii Tourism Authority) :D -- anyways, previous comment still stands. Go through all the folks you met in China last year. oh and the Poken folks. they're up to cool stuff beyond what they have on the market right now.
- Christine Lu
Robert, send you a request to add some people in mobile 2.0 area.
- Rudy De Waele
Rudy, names, we want names! Heheh. Thanks.
- Robert Scoble
not directly the 2010 web persay, but I think what companies such as Barco are doing at the very highest levels of display technology (their LED screens were used, some 2000 sq. meters of in fact, for the amazing Eurovision set in Moscow) will have a huge impact in years to come on what we all use for our displays. If display resolutions finally start to really rise (on average) that will impact the web considerably
- Shannon Clark
I'm mostly familiar with developers, since that's my profession, so I'd add: Damien Katz (developer on CouchDB), Terry Jones (founder of FluidInfo), James Tauber (creator of the Pinax Project), Brian Aker (developer on Drizzle), Mikio Hirabayashi (developer at Mixi.jp), John Resig (wrote jQuery), Malcolm Tredinnick (probably the most active Django developer). There are definitely more but that's off the top of my head.
- Eric Florenzano
Marco Derksen - (founder of marketingfacts.nl, www.upstream.nl), Boris Veldhuijzen van Zanten (Next Web, Wakoopa),
- Erno Hannink
You should put there tarpipe folks...
- Marcos Marado
@robert add Lars Hinrichs, founder of XING http://www.xing.com, the only web 2.0 company to successfully IPO. http://www.reuters.com/finance... -- He's likely to be starting something new in 2010.
- Jason Goldberg
Wouldn't it make sense to start out with less people then increase until you find your getting interesting, relevant conversations Surely with too many people the conversation would quickly become overwhelming quickly, and maybe less focused
- Chris Lloyd
Chris: there's a method to my madness, but, yes, I have a hard constraint that I have to live within.
- Robert Scoble
Matt Jones & Matt Biddulph of Dopplr / Felix Petersen - Founder at Plazes.com, now Head of Product Strategy Social Location at Nokia / Christian Sejersen - Mobile Engineering, Mozilla / Raimo van der Klein - SPRXMobile & Layar (watch that name!) / Greg Skibiski - CEO Sense Networks / Ilja Laurs - CEO Getjar / Tommy Ahlers - Founder Zyb - CEO at Wayfinder Systems - now Head of LBS at Vodafone / -> most of them all at http://mobile20.eu conference in Barcelona in June :)
- Rudy De Waele
I don't envy your task, but if you get it right it could be very important for future web development. Will anything be published from the group? To aid future web developers?
- Chris Lloyd
Robert, maybe Bill Balderaz at Webbed Mkting. About to release an awesome monitoring tool that will push the folks in that space. And maybe Beth Kanter who does wonderful things in the non-profit marketing space.
- Gregg Morris
Chris: this list will form the core of Building43 and will discuss the 2010web in a private friendfeed group that will be opened to everyone else on June 11th.
- Robert Scoble
And some of the guys at the W3C Mobile Web initiative - http://www.w3.org/Mobile/ Maybe Daniel Appelquist? Also add Mike Rowehl (coded Admob, Mowser, Skyfire, etc...)
- Rudy De Waele
there seems to be an overwhelming US bias to the list at the moment - Europe? Asia?
- Russell Lack
If you're making it a closed discussion group elite, I urge you to try not to just have all the known incumbents - they're the people that made 2008. Get some new thinkers in there, perhaps people that see the needs and weaknesses, perhaps a few critics, and by all means people from outside the core US/UK/Australia/Canada/France/NL group. Of course it depends what you want to...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Russell: got any names? That's why I put it out here.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana McCall - Savvy, all-around blogger and technology reviewer...Bwana.org
- Ciro
That's going to be an interesting list. Has it changed much from your older lists? Some user names both on ff or twitter would be great. I'm going to check to see if I can suggest some. Maybe Michael Fruchter should be included too.
- Carlos Lorenzo
If we're including journalists, how about Caroline McCarthy?
- Chris Lloyd
Carlos: I'm adding names from Facebook right now. The list is getting longer by the minute.
- Robert Scoble
You'll be testing the limits of google's spreadsheet app by Wednesday
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I see other Jasons, but no Calacanis..
- Simon Wicks
Is there any particular reason a) why you're making this list b) why anyone should help and c) why anyone should care? The 2010Web seems more like a Robert Scoble PR campaign than a project with any depth. Where's the substance behind this? Someone please point me in the right direction.
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: a) I'm building a community of people who are fanatical about the Internet for http://www.building43.com which is why I'm doing it. b) why should you help? Well, because maybe I've helped you along the way. c) why should anyone care? You shouldn't. Move on.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting mobile 2.0 choice, Rudy. I'd say Andrew J Scott, Rummble Founder & CEO, should be on the list (@andrewjscott).
- Alex Housley
Robert. Is building43 a non-profit outfit?
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: no. It's a community sponsored by Rackspace.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, this is a great exercise. But why do you assume those making the biggest contributions are the ones who are fanatical about the Internet?
- Kevin Werbach
Kevin: because I have to start somewhere.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, plus, fanaticism without contribution seems pretty empty. And keep in mind what my goal is: it's to try to get more businesses and people into the 2010 web. To do that I'm going to showcase people who are changing the world with the Internet. That will get their attention. Then we need to show them how they can do it too.
- Robert Scoble
Is there any danger of building43 becoming an A-list ivory tower or is this going to be the tech savvy giving back to the cyber peasants? Just curious (which obliterates point C of my previous interjection)...
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: yes, there is that danger. But it will be short lived because after June 11th you'll be interacting with them.
- Robert Scoble
on a country (Fr) & corp filter level I can mention those 2 guys in France. For the corporations they really use and promote 2010 tools to the highest level of those orgs: @ChristianFaure, @dlafont (Denis Lafont-Trevisan) - both Cap Gemini but I do own 0 stock there. They just really get it and they are on FF. Another one that really gets it / use it = Régis Gaidot @rgaidot. also in Germany/austria @bodenseepeter toursprung.com (not on ff). Alexandra Carmichael: Curetogether.com.
- Harscoat
If you want to stay ahead of the curve, follow tipjoy: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
So in other words, you're channeling Barry Goldwater -- extremism in the defense of the Internet is no vice.
- Kevin Werbach
Kevin: heheh. I'm just looking for people who are using the Internet to improve lives, improve businesses, or just plain build something cool. Stuff like Epochrates that's helping doctors around the world. Or Zappos. Or Twitter, friendfeed, etc.
- Robert Scoble
I think you can add Nicolas Dengler co-founder of cocomment and co-founder of mixin.
- Frédéric Sidler
June 11th. I'll be there man. Just make sure you've installed a helipad on top of that building though :)
- Andrew Eglinton
The challenge is that most people don't want to change the world. They want something safe and comfortable. I'm with you -- the fanatics are the interesting ones, and life is too short to hang around boring people. Anyway, since I'm listed as an "Obama tech advisor", I'd suggest people from that world -- Beth Noveck, Susan Crawford, Vivek Kundra, Aneesh Chopra, and some others not yet announced. What they are doing is still in alpha, but is incredibly important.
- Kevin Werbach
Kevin: are you in DC? I'll be there first week of June and would love to get some interesting interviews about the broadband policy stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, DM me and we'll tawk. I'm in DC about once a week, helping out and making trouble.
- Kevin Werbach
You've said how you made the list, presented the list. But why are you making the list? (I hate lists btw -- when presented by magazines, newspapers, websites seem like blatant pandering - to both the people on the list and potential consumer)
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: a few reasons. For one, I want people who have done something interesting. Having someone like Tony Hsieh or Joe Hewitt or Kevin Werbach or Tim O'Reilly as a founding member of a community will get attention. Having 200 of them will get a lot more. Second, I want to focus my content efforts on these people for the first month. They have more to show about what the 2010web will...
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- Robert Scoble
Robert: so the bottom line is that you are pandering? ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: no, we are making sure we have a good list.
- Robert Scoble
There's a method to our madness. The first 100 people you invite to start a community will decide how that community goes for a long time. So we're being very picky about who we start with.
- Robert Scoble
towatch
- Arvind
In response to your 'method' Robert. I agree, the first wave of people will decide the story of a community - providing they have ownership of it. But building43 is a top-down model, what's to say that the people you invite will want to buy into the ethos of your community? Doesn't community begin with collective impetus, collective need?
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: Building43 is both going to be top down and bottom up. June 11th you'll see just what we are building (it's not just me working on this) and you'll understand. Hint: it's very friendfeed centric.
- Robert Scoble
Well in that case I'm sold. Final question from me, and incidently I appreciate all your responses above,will there be a provision in building43 for artists?
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: I have designers in mind, but how far off of graphic design and web design do you want to go?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: While not being sure exactly where you're going with this, it might make sense to include at least a few (call it a control group) of stodgy old CIOs and/or a person or two from the likes of MSFT, ORCL or others that you would say don't "get" the 2010web (full disclosure I work for MS). Without this I think you risk having some serious groupthink even with the luminaries on your list. Maybe this is planned for later in your efforts but I can't help but think it would be a benefit from the get go.
- David Ziembicki
I wish I was doing a big contribution, yet I am sitting here and waiting for it to come. So that I can use it :)
- Alpay Erturkmen
David: I have a bunch of Microsoft people on the list. CIOs? I'm gonna go for stodgy old companies later. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Better add David Hyatt (founding member of Safari and WebKit) and Maciej Stachowiak (another lead developer)
- Charles Ying
Peter Norvig
- Charles Ying
Robert, I see some startup people, but the list looks blogger/journalist heavy. What about those developers who may be the Bret Taylor of tomorrow, like Jesse Stay, Cesare Rocchi (Posty) and others like them.
- Rob Diana
Oh I do so use Friendfeed :-) And thanks @ericflo!
- Terry Jones
And, BTW, FluidDB is nearly nearly out (as a restricted alpha). End of June, we hope.
- Terry Jones
Robert Robert Robert, do you ever sleep?
- Myrna
This is all fine and dandy but we've got to have last mile bandwidth. Why isn't there a pure Conduit Communications company out there that doesn't have another agenda? The phone companies have their legacy phone business, the cable companies TV. Fiber to the home is what we need. Not geeks. All those people on that list times a million mean nothing compared to fiber to the home. Why is...
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- Web Nex
Wish this list had a way to breakout who is in Michigan. I would love to connect with these folks.
- John Minni
Robert: What about Chris Garrett? Maki (doshdosh)? I was gonna propose Tim Ferriss, then changed my mind, then saw he was already on there. ;)
- Shéa Bennett
FYI, Andy Baio is on FriendFeed (http://friendfeed.com/waxpanc...) as is Jeremy Zawodny (http://friendfeed.com/jzawodn). And I'm pretty sure Kevin Fox is on here too... ;-) (http://friendfeed.com/kfury)
- Tony Ruscoe
Mark Silva at Real Branding; an outstanding thought leader on the possibilities of Social Media.
- Mark Evans
You should add Allyson Kapin who is the founder of Women Who Tech
- Sandra
I've been working on how to automate the routing of data streams (such as Twitter/FF updates) so that the network as a whole will begin doing the work of selecting our content for us, eliminating most of the need for manual following/unfollowing. It seems like these ideas could congeal into a definite algorithm very soon. http://joshmaurice.livejournal.com
- Joshua Maurice
@rob thank you very very much! glad to be compared to Bret!
- funkyboy
theres a top 50 CEO's that twitter here http://images.businessweek.com/ss... on business week - this would be a good starting point - although I think most of them are on here already.
- Nigel Walsh
may I be part of Building43 please Robert?
- Thomas Power
@Thomas - you are moving to the US? or is this the virtual building..
- Nigel Walsh
Thanks for including me bud :)
- Chris Saad
I'd add @bitsweat aka Jeremy Kemper, who worked really hard to merge mirb and Rails into a new version of Rails. It took diplomacy to mold two rival coding teams into one, and as well genius level coding skills. It's hard to find someone on your list, Robert, who is both a diplomat and a great coder.
- barce
a bit corny, but in line with Time Magazine - isnt it all of us?
- Nigel Walsh
okay, one more not on the list: When Marc Andreesen was on the Charlie Rose show, Charlie asked him what the next big thing was. Marc didn't answer. Then Charlie asked him about who was working on the most interesting stuff. Marc's answer: Andrew Chen. http://andrewchenblog.com/ Andrew came up with the Freemium model spreadsheet... okay, I'll stop. :-)
- barce
More fields on Robert Scoble's spreadsheet would be helpful: Affiliation, Title, Facebook Page, Friendfeed Page, Twitter Page, Email Address. (URLs for the pages.)
- Sean McBride
Max Levchin ? is another good guy. Co-founder and former CTO of PayPal.
- Guy Vander Heyden
'Us'
- AJ Kohn
Someone who you don't even know exists yet.
- Dean Clark
@yoast for WordPress SEO
- Jeroen De Miranda
Robert - I know you have met Sol Lipman and David Beach, founders of 12seconds.tv.
- Justin Korn
Robert, btw, John Furrier is on Facebook as well as Friendfeed (you have him listed as FF only). I'm on both - I'll let you decide if I should be on the list or not, though.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I think you should add Sheryl Breuker, Robert. Her Incidental Interviews are becoming quite a staple and she's a central connector in the social media and communications space. She's on both FF and FB. I think her contribution of bringing the personal side of personalities into view is important.
- Ken Camp
Robert- I hate to disagree with you, but some of the folks on this list were movers & shakers in 2007 and 2008 but have since failed to produce anything of note, even simple ideas or concepts. I wouldn't name anyone specifically, but you could stand to be a bit more critical, imvho... Of course, I'm probably critical enough for both of us, and then some. ;)
- Jolie O'Dell
have you investigated @andraz and @gandalfar from Zemanta? I think that understanding text will be a killer application for tracking citations and topics between bloggers
- Michele Costabile
thanks for the include robert, btw i'm most definitely on friendfeed ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Dave Armano (now working with Peter Kim, et al)
- Susan Beebe
Mark Zuckerberg is on facebook ;) hehe - add X
- Susan Beebe
@eldsjal and @MartinLorentzon from Spotify, and if there is someone out there who have not tried spotify yet, ill strongly recommend you to do just that. This is the way it should be done not just with music but also with video! http://www.spotify.com
- Nerkez
It's pretty good, but Andrew Keen belongs on there. Also, so few women on Web 2.0-3.0, eh? Glad you include VWS with Rosedale and Koster. Wagner James Au has not done anything original in 5 years.
- Prokofy Neva
Barrett Lyon of BitGravity and who was one of a handful of people who mapped the Internet
- Loren Heiny
Maybe Steve Gillmor because at least he is always thinking about this stuff all the time and working it, even though he's always wrong.
- Prokofy Neva
Prokofy: Steve Gillmor not being on the list was a major oversight. I always treat my friends the worst. Hmm.
- Robert Scoble
What about Dan Cohen, the Digital Historian leading the Zotero project? He's on twitter @dancohen. They're going to be launching a social network for researchers from undergrad to professor that will open up the research process to everyone through their Firefox plugin.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Paul Todd [ http://bit.ly/ek9P0 ]. Involved in development of useful apps ( like OneBridge http://bit.ly/XbOMs ) for Symbian phones...
- Arvind
Damn, need to work harder to make it on this list
- Alexander van Elsas
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