"As Facebook continues to roll out the full version of its new user profiles, it’s becoming clear that their primary goal isn’t, as they said in May, to simply create a cleaner user experience and allow developers to have more meaningful engagement points with users. It’s more about highlighting new content relevant to the user and fostering conversations about that content. And the result is that the Facebook home page looks an awful lot like the exponentially smaller activity stream aggregation service called Friendfeed."
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
there is ONE thing Facebook cannot replicate from Friendfeed. Speed of execution. FriendFeed will always be better and will always be one step ahead
- Ouriel Ohayon
That would be the site with 60m monthly visitors Fred.
- Jamie
Coming from the other side, I’d like to see the Facebookization of Friendfeed (without sucking that is). FF is a great place for content and discussion, but not so much for community and social networking.
- Hao Chen
Facebook's largely self-contained, immersive "social" and "fun" walled garden works especially well for interpersonal relations, and the upcoming facelift improves on those same principles. I'm impressed. That said, it's too heavyweight for active group conversations. FF has far and away the most effective implementation of group discussions, especially around "the rest of the web". It's great to have both FB and FF, each optimized around their use cases.
- Amir Gharaat
The only thing I'm sure of is that Facebook will be unable to recommend the same 9 persons to add as friends to everyone - so hopefully we will still be able to choose exactly who we want to talk to.
- Svetlana Gladkova
Friendfeed = open; facebook = closed; this would be an area i'd be happy to see facebook copy
- Alex Gawley
@Thomas, LOL... I always crack up when I see, in any FB thread your "Facebook is boring".
- Juan Pablo González
Friendfeed lays it all out as a stream of posts and comments. It's like reading a newspaper. Just my style.
- david
Facebook has lost its mojo really fast, I winder if the same will happen to FriendFeed
- João Almeida
from twhirl
@Joao lost its mojo with who? The twittersphere? Facebook was doing just fine before and after they jumped on and off the bandwagon. According to FB, UUs and engagement are up every month.
- Jamie
Almeida: yeah, Facebook is growing as fast as ever and tons of "normal people" swear by it. Just because us early-adopter-inside-the-techie-bubble are over here playing on FriendFeed, don't assume that everyone else is. 110 million are on Facebook, maybe more by now. When I went to Israel all I heard was "Facebook, Facebook, Facebook." Same with my niece and lots of others here in Silicon Valley. Also, its event calendar brings tons more people than others.
- Robert Scoble
Typical conversation with Real World Friends: "So I saw this post on Friend Feed..." "What's that?" "It's this website where it aggregates everything you do on various social networks" "Social Networks? Like..." "Flickr, Twitter, Yelp..." (Blank Stares) "Websites like Facebook are social.." "OHHH FACEBOOK.. That's the best site ever. *blah blah blah"
- George Smith
Alex Gawley: Seems that Facebook no longer will be closed. "This week facebook will also launch their Facebook Connect product, which is designed to let users get that data back out of Facebook." http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- Alex Sauceda
but do you think the average FB user is going to use the "comment on news feed" feature? a quick scan of some of my heavy-user FB friends last week showed no comments on any news feed items, and then a couple days ago i noticed someone's status message was "I hate all these comment tags on facebook now"...
- Trent Olson
I love FF but all my non geeks friends and family are on Facebook. Seems that it works better for them.
- Alex Sauceda
Keep in mind, that 18 months ago you could not have had this conversation with anyone who was not 1) in the SV echo chamber or 2) in college. Web services start small and some inflect to a larger community and some don't.
- Christopher Sacca
My friends on FB go to Flickr for conversation. None of them are on FF. I add FF contacts in FB to view their bios.
- Russellreno
Louis - Agreed but I think the reason is more that they're trying to do an even better job with targeted ads (to keep the price in check) ... ala GMail. I find my Facebook list growing from my activity on Friendfeed. Hmm
- Charlie Anzman
Was the FriendFeed mini-feed on Facebook axed: no summary, just a note showing something was added? It's doing that for Feedheads too. Is this happening with others folks?
- Blake N. Cooper
Jim: Thanks! Does that mean that my friends would need to change this on their end to see more than 1 line? I have a lot of my friends who will stick to the default (i.e. will be overwhelmed by process for changing) and most likely will not see the content of my Google Reader Shared Items and FriendFeed activity. Sucks if that's the case. Thanks again.
- Blake N. Cooper
Jim: Is that option retaining the setting - I have it set to one line, short and full, but the new items still seem to default to one line.
- Richard Peat
Funny how one year later we are actually seeing the Facebookization of Friendfeed...
- Jean-Marc Liotier
I think a sequel could be good but "An insider tells The Sun: 'The idea is Maverick is at the Top Gun school as an instructor - and this time it is he who has to deal with a cocky new female pilot.'" that description sounds like Grease II to me.
- RAPatton
I think the real question is will there be another ridiculous volleyball game in this film?
- James Ferguson
Yuck! This is one sequel I won't be seeing.
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"If Cruise agrees to reprise his role, Top Gun II would be a surefire box office hit." I don't see that as a given...
- Michael W. May
I agree, not a good idea. And James, I don't think that volleyball game was ridiculous. ;-)
- Trish R
It sounds so bad I might actually go and see it just to see how bad it can get
- Rubin Sfadj
Since it has been 20 years, they should make it Great Santini-ish with him losing his edge and making bad choices in order to try to stay the best.
- RAPatton
What? Noooo! For the love of all that is good and holy.... noooo!
- felix
Well, he was young man with young man's issues in the first. Now he would be a middle aged with middle aged issues. I mean, Tom Cruise is not going to be Robert Duvall, but I think you could make a good film showing how fighter pilot, who was the best, dealing with his body not letting him be the best anymore. The character was reckless in the first, and I would think this would have...
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- RAPatton
isnt' this month, National Blueberry Month?
- clarke thomas
We went to the pick-your-own blueberry farm a few weeks ago and have been eating blueberries in everything ever since. They're so good picked fresh.
- Trish R
after a couple weeks of buying blueberries anywhere and having them be as yummy as candy, ones i bought last night were not so good... sigh. perhaps the season is already over.
- edythe
Blueberries are great; I eat them for breakfast (mixed with strawberries) every day.
- RAPatton
My RogersBlackberry is humming along fine
- johnpiercy
from twhirl
My RogersBlackberry is humming along fine too ;-)
- AJ Batac
My updated iPhone (old school) is humming along just fine (I updated it yesterday and had no problems).
- Jennifer Dittrich
Right...but its Rogers...and its Blackberry. See?
- Kamath (नमः)
hey steve if your phone is down, i can let you borrow my samsung ace - it works great, super fast speeds, and an awesome opera mobile browser :)
- Allen Stern
Hang out for a while. It finally comes on. I was down for 3 hours trying to update this AM, though
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
I am a committed late adopter to expensive change... vote McCain
- Noah David Simon
Wow. First time I've seen an item with triple digit likes.
- Mark Krynsky
me thinks it will go higher by days end ,, as the problems continue , flickr exposure + friendfeed = TRAFFIC ( Viewed 2,049 times ) on flickr
- johnpiercy
Thanks, a little late night experimentation at the WaMu Center in Seattle with escalators and reflections. Definitely a little Salmon on the Brain Chris :)
- Thomas Hawk
Only thing that's put a smile on my face today with all this iPhone nonsense is the Godzilla one! Seriously funny...
- John Samuelson
"Like Saddam, we're total bad-asses. We have missiles! Godzilla! Our soldiers are all armed with flaming holy scimitars! You will drown in rivers of your own blood! Stay away."
- Chris Baskind
The idea that they only have a 75% success rate on something they deem as "an awesome display" is definitely something to be ashamed of. This is the best they can do, and it was barely a passing grade.'
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Louis, whilst I am amoungst those that value your opinion, that hypothetical, improbable does not lick the boots of the reality of shameful journalistic integrity, misrepresenting a nation (of people, remember), and spreading that lie as far as the eye can see. When we turn the emphasis away from the facts of what happened, we make it matter less.
- Michael W. May
the neo cons control Godzilla. Watch out it is a Zionist threat
- Noah David Simon
Louis: Three hitting your town would be a big deal, but none of these have enough range to reach your town... or any town in Israel, which is the larger concern. None of these are Shahabs http://tinyurl.com/6ch6pg.
- Steve Lynch
always remember that close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear weapons.
- Nathan Eckenrode
Thanks for sharing. This was one of the many questions I would have asked you had we sat down for a coffee in Starbucks. And if we ever do... I'm buying.
- Kevin C. Tofel
Been waiting for this post TH. Thanks.
- Chris Nixon
I am one of the ones that asked for workflow detail -- thanks for the post and info. It would be great to see a Scoble video of this -- I have no doubt that the discussion would enhance the information
- Brian Sullivan
Great post! You only shoot with prime lenses? Do you switch them out often?
- lisa-k
@Thomas Hawk - I believe you have mentioned it before, but I cannot put my finger on it...why the use of Bridge over Lightroom and/or Aperture. Sorry if it's a repeat question; feel free to point to link if you have previously answered this elsewhere. Thanks!
- JA Castillo
JA - I use Lightroom and as I was reading TH post it occurred to me that LR would do all of these steps except Geotag.
- Russellreno
JA Castillo, from what I've seen and read, he just hasn't gotten around to converting to Lightroom.
- Mark Trapp
Thanks for this article, I like the use of "finished" A and B folders. I'd be curious to see how you worked the sliders in Camera Raw and in what order. Exposure, Recovery etc. Great content for a future PhotoCycle?
- Andrew Smith
@Russellreno & Mark Trapp - Thanks! I have been contemplating Lightroom and was curious as to why he's still with Bridge as there are more "creative" opportunities via Lightroom over Bridge.
- JA Castillo
Thanks all. Lisa, yes, I shoot 96% with prime lenses. I do have a Canon f/4 70-200 zoom that gets used sometimes, but mostly all primes. I used to shoot with zooms but I feel like I get better, sharper images with prime lenses.
- Thomas Hawk
I can't believe how much I've learned about photography just from reading friendfeed. Now, if I can just get myself a tripod (or less caffeine) and a decent camera. :)
- ha3rvey (just a friend)
JA Castillo. I tried Aperture a few years back. It didn't handle vignette processing back then so I uninstalled it. I'm sure Aperture is a perfectly fine photo editing software package but at this point I'm just more used to Adobe products and I can see no compelling reason to switch to Aperture. I'm sure Aperture is perfectly fine though and sort of view the Aperture/Adobe debate like the Canon/Nikon debate. Both are fine, depends on your preference.
- Thomas Hawk
Muahaha, now I will be like Thomas Hawk. My plans for world domination are coming along nicely.
- Bwana ☠
some time ago i decided to learn how to use a set of tools and stick with them. I use Dowloader Pro / Bridge / Photoshop.
- Mário Pires
In terms of Lightroom, I tried the last beta a few years back out but it was still buggy. I need to spend more time with it though as the best photo processors I know are using it. I'm hoping to spend some time learning it and plan on doing a review of the new upcoming version of it in conjunction with the upcoming version's release.
- Thomas Hawk
Seems like my process is quit similar except I started using LightRoom recently. What I don't understand is how you go through 500 pictures in one evening with this process. It took me about 2hrs last night to go through 50 pictures taken and 18 that I processed. Anyway, thanks for sharing!
- Justin Korn
Aperture does have vignette sliders now (both gamma and exposure, gamma produces lovely vignetting imo). Check my flickr for examples, I use Aperture exclusively.
- Benjamin Golub
from fftogo
@Justin Kom: I can run through about 250 photos in a few hours in LR. It depends on what everyone means by 'processing,' I guess. A lot of them just get quick adjustments, and I end up copying and pasting adjustments a lot too, with a few tweaks after. This really speeds things up.
- donato
from twhirl
Nice. Also, oops, Korn, not Kom. With the font I'm using in Twhirl it looks like "m" instead of "rn."
- donato
from twhirl
The Beta of Lightroom 2.0 has better vignetting control (an option to add vignette after cropping) and the software is pretty stable overall. I've been a Lightroom user since the very beginning, and I switched to 2.0 as soon as the beta came out. (I've run about 2,500 images through it with no problems.) It plays well with the other Adobe tools, so if you still want to open up in Bridge or ACR, all your settings will be shared across the applications.
- Brian Johns
I really like the LR 2.0 improvements, especially the multi-monitor support and the better vignette controls. I stay out of 2.0 most of the time, though, because: "Develop settings applied in Lightroom 2.0 beta are not guaranteed to transfer correctly to the final version of 2.0. This is particularly true for localized corrections."
- donato
from twhirl
@Donato - I think I need to learn to find pictures with similar lighting and batch process them like you mentioned. @Thomas - I need to learn to like Redbull...
- Justin Korn
Justin, I've gotten pretty good actually at processing images very quickly. I have to as I'm trying to publish 1 million photographs before I die and there's just not the time to spend too much time on any one image -- so I process fast. The jump from CS2 to CS3 was a *huge* breakthrough in my own photo processing productivity. Eventually technology should make the sole limiting factor your ability to mentally process what you want to do.
- Thomas Hawk
There are, by the way, some *amazing* photographers who probably spend a lot more time than I do processing their images. merkley, Cole Rise, Kelly Castro all come to mind.
- Thomas Hawk
"Typically less than 10% of my photos need additional work beyond camera RAW." -- Wow. This speaks volumes to your enviable talent behind the lens as well as your skillful use of Adobe Camera Raw. Thanks very much for sharing.
- Taylor
I got lazy and stopped shooting in RAW....now it looks like I'm going to have to start again...
- Snay Trivedi
Making the leap to Lightroom probably cut my processing time in at least half. I think I've used Photoshop about 5 times since I've started using LightRoom 6 months ago! But even so, I feel like I spend just as much time (if not more) processing as taking the pictures. I agree though, some of the most amazing photographers spend WAY more time processing their photos.
- Justin Korn
I started using Lightroom about 6 weeks ago, and it has actually encouraged me to shoot more because the workflow is simpler than what I was doing before. I'm glad to hear that vignetting is going to be improved in 2.0. That's my major qualm with the software right now. There are, however, definitely instances where Photoshop is highly beneficial.
- Matt
Take away - Use prime lens, compose in camera, shoot raw, process. I need to invest in some prime lenses.
- Russellreno
LR processing - On first pass I view all photos in slide room and quickly rate 1 or 4. I delete the 1's and then view and continue to process. If I don't like a 4 on second pass it becomes a 3. Eventually I can say i am finished.
- Russellreno
Really brilliant post Thomas thanks v much and I agree with the person who suggested that a Scoble video would help to record the mastery. I've been trying to work this stuff out for ages but never quite applied myself to it the way you have. Now I just have to use the Hawk methodology on about 10000 photos already in iPhoto....oh and learn how to take better pictures...that might be harder!
- Anne McCrossan
@Russellreno: I do almost the same thing. I never delete anything, though. @Thomas, do you ever delete your RAWs?
- donato
from twhirl
While I don't do any processing to any of my pics I found this a good read and really liked the other links in the blog. I am surprised that your everyday bag contains primes and no longer telephotos.
- Becca
Donato, I rarely delete any RAW originals, even technically horrible shots or mistakes. These always could be converted into abstracts later on -- and then there is always the case where what seems like a throw away might later turn out to be significant. This was the case in a famous photo taken of Clinton and Lewinsky. I save everything. Storage is cheap.
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas, that's always been my take on it too. I don't delete anything for the same reasons. I'd rather keep them and know that they are there if I ever need them or find a use for them, instead of just deleting them forever. I've very rarely ever said "Oh, I'll never use this." and deleted it, because you really never know.
- donato
from twhirl
Fantastic article. I really enjoyed reading your links to the older articles also. My process is rapidly envolving, and your article helps immensely. I've got a backlog of 90,000 pics from the past 2 years, and anything that speeds the process is wonderful.
- Mitchell Tsai
thanks all, it's the Chihuly exhibit currently on display at the de Young museum in SF. It's a great show and very cool that they allow non-flash photography. I'm planning on going back a few more times to shoot more there as well. Info on the exhibit here: http://www.chihulyatthedeyoung.org/ My entire Chihuly set here: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
I was considering going to shoot the exhibit, but it appears that doing so would just make me feel bad about my skill. Instead, I'll enjoy this set and go enjoy the exhibit with no camera.
- David Thomas
Great stuff, man. After I was there, I couldn't wait to see what you came back with!
- Jeremy Brooks
Thomas, how do you decide what you post to Zooomr vs. Flickr? Is it all the same shots?
- Matt
Love the brilliant colors in these photos!
- Alan Le
Matt, in the case of the Chihuly show it's the exact same shots to both sites. I have more shots on Zooomr than Flickr but it's kind of haphazard what shots go to what site and when. I love them both. The Chihuly show is an exception but mostly I go through a finished pool of unpublished photos and randomly post 10-15. Sometimes the same shots to both Flickr and Zooomr but frequently different shots to keep it more interesting.
- Thomas Hawk
I still have another 120 or so finished Chihuly shots which will be filtered in randomly over time. The 59 I chose to publish last night though were the shots that I liked the most.
- Thomas Hawk
Chihuly's art is amazing. One of the first HD shows I ever saw (around 2000 as I recall) was a PBS documentary on a project he conducted in Vienna. Stunning both visually and artistically.
- jcunwired
I saw a Chihuly exhibition in Miami a few years ago - the glass sculptures amongst the park vegetation and cacti were simply amazing.
- Sally Church
Beautiful! I missed Chihuly's exhibit when it was here in Chicago at the Garfield Park Conservatory several years ago, but was able to catch it in Columbus, OH, at the conservatory there (forgot the name). Took so many pictures. :) And I'm happy that I'll be able to visit his glass museum in Tacoma this August.
- Cheryl Jones
Unable to see your photos as Zooomr has been down off and on (motley off) since Sunday PM. What's the problem???
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Thomas - Just curious if you are collecting release forms for each of these portraits? I'm really enjoying following this project...
- Justin Korn
Justin, I'm not getting release forms. I don't plan on using these portraits in any commercial way that I might need one for. It's more a personal project than something I'd hope to turn into something somehow commercial. Fine art photographs though don't preclude me from publishing without a release form. If there ever was any money at all from this project I'd donate 100% of it back to some sort of homeless advocacy agency.
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas - fair enough. Thanks for taking the time to explain.
- Justin Korn
This is a wonderful project, keep up the great work.
- Brandon Wood