Echo and Disqus can bring the sidewiki feed back into it
- Kevin Marks
I's not controlling conversation I object to just reaching across a network and changing the way my content is displayed. I have no objections to a client side mashup or even a peer to peer
- Matt Terenzio
You do have control over what you write. You don't have control over what OTHER PEOPLE write.
- Ken Sheppardson
SideWiki is MOST dangerous because it isn't RSS-enabled, and there's no way to properly monitor it.
- Ike Pigott
SideWiki has a feed for every page and for every user, wrong Ike
- Kevin Marks
Y'all realize Diigo has been doing this same thing for a couple years now, right? Folks just haven't objected because they don't know about it. There will *always* be side converasations you don't know about that you can't control.
- Ken Sheppardson
framing is wrong. I format my content to browser size (just devil's advocate, I don't do that)
- Matt Terenzio
what do you want a feed for, Ike? Which page?
- Kevin Marks
Gillmor suggests by his actions just now that there needs to be a judge(ment). Where is the referee.
- Arnie Klaus
You could build a similar service that displays the comments from FriendFeed related to a specific page in the sidebar. IT's the same API http://ffcheck.com uses. Would you object to that, Robert?
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd be interesting if SideWiki was a wiki
- Ross Mayfield
Robert - remember when I closed my FriendFeed account and you argued that I deleted YOUR comments stream?
- Rob La Gesse
Nobody's modifying what you're trying to display. There's a supplemental app that's displaying additional information about your page, Robert. And you have nothing to say about it, nor should you.
- Ken Sheppardson
Aren't all audiences shared, and the audience owns itself?
- Ross Mayfield
You already do anything you want with pages in your browser.
- Cliff Gerrish
But ken if a plugin said, here Google take this page I want and add all the extra metadata to it and return it to me. That is wrong. It's different than a local client gathering content and displaying the way the enduser wants. technicality, but that is law. and I'm no lawyer
- Matt Terenzio
sidewiki isn't part of anybody's blog. it is an abstraction layer that becomes visible when a sidewiki user visits the blog
- Keith Teare
Do I have the "right" to install ad-blocking plugins? Do I have the "right' to install Greasemonkey or Stylish to change fonts and background colors?
- Ken Sheppardson
actually, Robert's password IS his phone number :)
- Robert J Taylor
But *I* as the reader, am the one making the choice to "deface" the page. It's not as if every visitor is being forced to read those comments. It's MY CHOICE to see them.
- Ken Sheppardson
I did that too, Kevin. It didn't resolve, didn't pull in the very comment I left.
- Ike Pigott
So you don't ever talk about blog posts or web pages on FriendFeed then, right, Stephen?
- Ken Sheppardson
then they choose to see that content, it wasn't forced on them
- Ryan
OK, at the count of three, everyone uninstall Google Toolbar. Then they will just build it into Firefox. And BECOME MS
- Rob La Gesse
Kevin, you're right -- but THOSE posts and comments will be more easily sortable, findable, and addressable. SideWiki is way too chaotic. And since all the SideWiki comments live on GOOGLE domain, they will show up in search eventually!
- Ike Pigott
Ken, hell yes, I do, but that's on FriendFeed and not on somebody's site
- Stephen Pickering
"we had no choice" is the critical aspect that isn't being addressed by wider audiences
- Jay Cuthrell
If I told you that I was using the FriendFeed API to retrieve and display all conversations related to the page I'm visiting in my sidebar, would you object to that, Stephen? See http://ffcheck.com
- Ken Sheppardson
yes Ken, but just because you ask me, I can't legally send a copy of something to you. Not saying they do this here, but I bet they want to soon if they mix it with search data and deliver ads, for example
- Matt Terenzio
They don't all live on Google's domain - that was my point about http://oneforty.com where SideWiki shows the TechCrunch RWW et al posts
- Kevin Marks
people who publish web pages need to host a more friendfeed-like discussion experience if they want to counter the sidewiki effect
- Brian Hendrickson
Steve - that IS an economically feasible plan
- Rob La Gesse
Good. There will be a hell of a push back if it does take off
- Stephen Pickering
This whole industry that attempts to monetize content by framing it in a particular context, i.e. wrapped by ads, is sorta doomed, IMHO. In the long run.
- Ken Sheppardson
Brian I don't see your posts. just mine
- Ron Hudson
Yeah, so what's next, Ken, Google will put its own ads on my site?
- Stephen Pickering
Mike -- DotSpots is the same issue as well. Very good catch.
- Jay Cuthrell
So, what does SideWiki with Wikipedia mean?
- Robert J Taylor
Sidewiki is the new standard for comments on all websites. Just install a Wordpress plugin for bringing Sidewiki entries into your blog comments.
- Charbax
I see yours now Ike, I commented on a different url. SideWiki #fail
- Ron Hudson
No Rob... SideWiki turns blogs into subway cars, in a town that sells permanent infrared spraypaint.
- Ike Pigott
All systems need calibration or the noise takes over.
- Arnie Klaus
Sidewiki will never take off and even if it does, there will be so much push back just like the digg framer that they will discontinue it
- Stephen Pickering
Jay, yeah DotSpots raises the same issues but nobody is talking about them because they're relatively unknown (unlike Google)
- Mike Doeff
I hope Google puts SideWiki in Firefox. That will be the start of the anti-trust investigation
- Rob La Gesse
Sidewiki or something like it will absolutely take off, you just won't know about it.
- Ken Sheppardson
My browser is not your place of business, Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
plugin functionality is quickly being surpassed by things like Comet/AJAX, so what's next.. who can write AJAX?
- Jerry Schuman
but my site is my place of business (so to speak)
- Robert J Taylor
Your browser isn't but when you can use it to deface his website, it is his place of business
- Stephen Pickering
Jeez... we're going in circles yet again..
- Ken Sheppardson
Google isn't as well known as we'd like to think. Sidewiki should be enabled on every news article ever created. Every news article should have a Wikipedia stub. If Google assists, fine... but I'd rather see the overlay be outside control of any one company.
- Jay Cuthrell
I just pushed SideWiki into my Friendfeed, and my Friendfeed spools into my SideWiki profile, and it hasn't caused me any probl
- Ike Pigott
Transient logic... next big push.. data push first.. logic push next.
- Jerry Schuman
it is a document that is being passed across the web, despite how complicated the creation and distribution is. ultimately it is html and javascript
- Matt Terenzio
Sidewiki needs to bring in Google Reader comments related to the "post"/page it's displaying. That'd be slick.
- Ken Sheppardson
the document comes from a location, or multiple locations
- Matt Terenzio
Sidewiki already brings in relevant related blog posts from blogsearch/google news
- Charbax
Isn't the location metaphor broken, just like the silo metaphor.
- Cliff Gerrish
we're resurrecting "compound document" architectures ala OpenDoc
- Jerry Schuman
Do we truly care who hammed a nail? Or do we mostly care that the nail was hammered properly? (pertaining to "identity")
- Jay Cuthrell
I'd prefer that comments be distributed, and when you view an "entry" or some chunk of content, all the associated, linked comments on and items related to that item can be pulled from wherever they live and displayed for me, subject to filtering I define.
- Ken Sheppardson
You can just load the comments from Google's Sidewiki server by simply copying from the RSS feeds.
- Charbax
I wonder how NASCAR feels about that? ;-) I didn't get that as a top hit relating to mechanical engineering or marketing elements related to car racing.
- Jay Cuthrell
I might... I should.... Nov 3-5 at the Comp History Museum?
- Ken Sheppardson
Still listening to the show, but one idea that doesn't seem to have been brought up on the sidewiki debate is the fact that I can create a custom CSS template for a page (Scobleizer.com for example) and even further change and/or modify a website's appearance and look. What happens when Google creates a proverbial "sideCSS" widget to allow everyone easy access to modify the look of...
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- Chris Aldrich
Doesn't RSS already strip all the formatting from a website in order to transport one level of value?
- Cliff Gerrish
Not every site has RSS. haven't you heard it's dead?
- Matt Terenzio
Thanks for the research ... Won't waste my time trying it out.
- Ideas At Random
I was a concierge too but no more :-)) its a joke
- Johni Fisher
You know a website isn't actually researching you when it says that you're a good user and you are in actual fact, me.
- Wayne Hornsey
Aww, that's horrible! What's the point if it doesn't actually do anything real. Is there no depth too low for marketers to sink? Should all the coders and designers involved be cast onto a deserted island somewhere for their crimes? This is pathetic!!!
- Paul W. Homer
Where can we find a real Yahoo development ?
- Johni Fisher
they don't seem to notice the "via" which is crucial. I almost never "tweet" - it's FF -> twitter
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Perhaps we could build a "spaceship" (or really just a big catapult) and put these marketing people to work in exploring the "universe". You think they'd fall for it, particularly if we used their own marketing against them? "It'll be fun, you'll get to explore AND learn as you go" we could say. :-)
- Paul W. Homer
Hoping this will lead to an improved/cleaner interface for Facebook...I prefer Friendfeed
- Rick Bucich
so, so sad. I like(d) Friendfeed much more than facebook
- Francisco Kemeny
home run for FF.. Facebook will be able to give developers a treasure trove of data one thing that Twitter is dominating on right now. Twitter has a huge developer community but isn't managing that. Here FB is poised to be huge
- John Furrier
So classic that Robert has the first interview about this...Where's Louis? :)
- Anthony Farrior
How do they plan to mix the teenagers with the geeks?
- Jordi Soler
Amani: I am excited! Facebook has 800 employees and 300 million users. This makes both companies much more important.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
here was a comment on SiliconANGLE blog .. very funny .. "Hey, since we've copied almost every innovation you've had, guess you might as well play on the company softball team!"
- John Furrier
Nice strategic move - Interesting to see how this will integrate and looks in 12 months
- Alex Vermeule (@alexve)
to be honnest I was predicting google offer, then facebook preceed google on this, they are doing well, now rarding FF this is great, the sucess is to know when to pass to something else, the future will make the abtle wave, facebook rude for all geek it is time to code.
- abdellah
You rascal Robert, bet you had wind about FriendFeed and FaceBook merger before today? Yes? Have not used either SM apps. much UNTIL Twitter locked my account. May have been a fortunate mishap as it turns out. Getting to know the beauties of both apps. =)
- SashaKane
do you have a small amount of FriendFeed shares Robert?
- Torsten Eckert
NOOOOOOO. Damnit! I am praying that Facebook doesn't wall up Friendfeed. I was starting to build a site around Friendfeed :(
- beersage
beersage: as Facebook is trying to break their users into a more public world, I doubt that you really have anything to worry about there.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Starting to listen to this now. Hoping you are right, Rob.
- beersage
I hope so to. But regardless, I think that it was in reality necessary for FriendFeed to sell to really put the technology in front of a sufficient number of eyeballs. Facebook is probably the best acquirer that FriendFeed could have. (I would have not felt the same had FF been acquired by Google)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The thing with Friendfeed though is how I can share things outside of a 'wall.' I prominently feature the FF widget on my site. I'm just concerned of losing that capability as I was tinkering with delivering a new site w/ content primarily running through my Friendfeed account. I am to this day unable to do much outside of the wall. I am unable to subscribe to Fan Page updates in Google reader for instance. That is what concerns me about FB acquiring FF given my goals.
- beersage
Robert sounded quite breathless in that interview. Thanks Robert.
- Roberto Bonini
Wow! I'm in shock. I can't wait to hear this interview.
- Micah Wittman
from iPhone
This deal was about getting Paul and the team and nothing else
- Stephen Pickering
@stephan, are you serious? FB is buying a concept, a technoloie, a structure, a content and a user list
- abdellah
now how could a team that left google resist under a unique perception system, where the leader vision is upon any thing
- abdellah
Unconvincing Paul Buchheit, the team is more exited of being part of bigger story - logical for them to move on
- patrickdh
They want a way to turn their white pages into a yellow pages and the only guy on Earth who knows how to do it, is Paul
- Stephen Pickering
It was only about the technology and the people. Most people are on also FB anyway.
- James Myatt
My guess is that Paul got a tooooooooon of options and will soon be the No.2 guy at Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
Glossing over of that "short term" question by the FF boys. It just seems more about the individuals at FF than it does the users of FF. "Their (Facebook) long term goals" Nice interview, Robert!
- Melanie Reed
Well, it looks as if pass-through of FriendFeed Likes, Comments, etc. to Twitter is down. Will it be for good? Did Twitter do this in response to the acquisition? Or is it just a regular (though curiously timed) hiccup?
- Alex Schleber
this is why your own personal website is always more important than friendfeed, Twitter and all the rest. that's never going anywhere
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
This is Mark Van Grack, owner of Hapa Sushi http://hapasushi.com -- I am showing him FriendFeed but every table has this card that talks about Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
I've been a customer of On2 for a couple of years ... Bought their entry level Flash Video converter ... Happy with the results ... Looking forward to seeing how Google utilizes their products.
- Ideas At Random
The doom9 guys seem to be saying On2's "comparisons" and marketing is heavily spun. http://forum.doom9.org/showthr... Alas, I think making a patent-uncumbered codec that beats H.264 is next to impossible. As that thread notes, every idea ever proposed to the committees, even those that don't make it into the specification, are patented and handed over to MPEG-LA, so even interesting techniques for doing better than H.264 but are on the cutting-room floor end up patented.
- Ray Cromwell
Google should really do the world a favor and buy MPEG-LA :)
- Ray Cromwell
and then I will comment on whoever follows me here...
- Alpay Erturkmen
Louis, I recently got the "high five" DM spam, too. So off-putting!
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
I just need to spend more time setting up FF so it is my friend that intercepts all my social media content but only from who I want to read!
- Pentaxfan
Friend feed seems like mainstream to most serious ones?
- jibzy
Friendfeed has it's strengths once you get it setup
- Chris
@robert whether or not FF is technically better than <insertsocialnetwork> its really a question of said network reach
- Sean Scott
Once a week I go through my followers and delete most/all of the spammers, but I only have like 50-60 so it's not hard to do.
- Allison Warnock
Let's hope the spammers and bots and etc don't attack us here on FriendFeed next. I won't tell them if you don't.
- Louis Trapani
from iPhone
Sean: well, FF has better search, grouping, real time, a better community, and more.
- Robert Scoble
I think you're already following me.
- Danny Minick
In two years on Twitter I have never used any bots nor even tried to sell anything. I always look at profiles personally before following anyone and have never been concerned with how many are following me.
- Gord Young
See, cross posting that offer to Twitter is misleading
- Kevin Krewell
It is fun to watch my follower ## on Twitter go between 200 and 230 it is a constant battle to see what I post. Just not that interesting at times!
- Pentaxfan
Interesting project! Please follow us @streamfile :)
- Kimmo Gläborg
Checking in here...hope we continue to follow each other, Robert!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I'm pretty sure I've commented here before Robert, but you don't follow me here or on Twitter. Not that I want you to under just for the sake of it...
- Gurpreet
Today's secret password is "cheese".
- Andrew Smith
And you don't have to read everything we say, my God we can't keep up with your feed! But it's nice to always be assured there will be something in my Friendfeed from Scoble. And more Scoble and more Scoble!
- Keith Rowland
...only if you actually find my tweets interesting enough.
- Gurpreet
It's Unfollow Sunday. Just purged all the bots, spammers, SEO/social media types from my own Twitter account. I never autofollow. Still got the "high five" DM spam, though...
- Dennis Jernberg
Nice when you integrate Facebook and twitter and multiple accounts so you can read all at one place. I have to say I use Seesmic to read posts more than FF.
- Pentaxfan
bit bucket... here i come :) ps: scoble, what if we just "like" your post ;)
- simran
@pentaxfan of course. not wanting to start a FF vs Twitter debate. just saying the glasses through which we judge better or superior are diff based on our interests. Plus in the end FB will take it all :P
- Sean Scott
This is a sly way to get us to sign up for FF :)
- valb00
According to my following list, Scoble was the second person I followed after joining Twitter. A long time ago that was.
- Stephen Sclafani
UX tip for FF. Be nice to be able to click on the comment link at the end of a comment stream. Having to scroll back up on these long threads breaks flow.
- Sean Scott
Kimber: wait and watch http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... and see if I like any of your posts. I read a LOT and if you are posting interesting stuff I'll probably like it.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: click twice on the time stamp and you'll get a window of just this chat and you'll see a comment entry area at the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
Sean Scott: Click on the timeline (the '5 minutes ago' bit) :)
- 1x29
You will end up following me anyway. They all will. :)
- Matt G
But you're already following me here on Friendfeed, Robert. How is Twitter going to be different?
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
FriendFeed is better, deeper, yet Twitter works better on the go
- Majento
There's a lot to like about FF, except it needs a bigger community. Twitter is like the iPhone - for iPhone it's all the applications, with Twitter (and Facebook) it's all about the number of poeple.
- Kevin Krewell
@Sean, that is why we are always looking for new and improved apps to operate at a better level with more consistency. Take it easy! I'm off to bed for my 5 hours of mediocre horizontal time out.
- Pentaxfan
Hi Robert, you are obviously going to be following a lot more people. Thanks.
- Rob Zachritz
And I return. (Just cleared my account so I can start afresh with friend lists) :)
- BeauGiles
Robert, you have lost a lot of followers. I have been watching all night.
- TheHenry
I don't get the appeal of auto-following. I for one would not want thousands of updates showing up in my timeline.
- Alex Knight
Twitter -ly ♪ and FriendFeed -ly ♪ livin' in perfect har-mony ♪♪♪ LOL Why can't we be friends ♪♪♪
- RetiredTeacherD
Just created a corporate FF account so you can follow our corporate Twitter at http:/www.twitter.com/senderok - Plug-in with anti-phishing icons for the inbox and photo business cards in the header pane
- SenderOK
I'm here I'm here! :D just curious, what do you have against SEO and Social Media experts?
- Celia
Really? BTW I'm just a regular geeky gal.
- Teresa O
TheHenry: and I will lose even more this week. No biggie. I don't define myself by who follows me, especially if they are there just to get a follow back.
- Robert Scoble
We're already facebook friends. And I think friendfeed friends too. But FF just hasn't hit critical mass yet. It'll be cool when it does. Nice job throwing another rock at the hornet's nest! :-)
- Dan Becker
Rory: the catch is I might like one of your posts and then you'll have to deal with my other friends. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm glad to know that you are still interested in hearing from us :), I'm @tsudo
- Keith - @tsudo
Robin: I have only seen a handful of spams here. They are easily blocked and there are other defenses against them that I won't talk about here.
- Robert Scoble
Are we not allowed to comment if you are already following us?
- RobinDotNet
Are all those SEO types you're unfollowing now following me?!
- Dennis Jernberg
Thing I don't like is that FF doesn't have a very good topic when the primary line is directed at twitter. There may or may not be a link to something after FF part. Which means FF becomes a bit of a treasure hunt. I like FF for commentary but I hate the initial post.
- Justin Howard
Robert: Thanks mate, interesting and probably efficient idea. I'll do the same for quality content, tired of those "I just used whateveryoucallit.com to gain 300 new followers right now!".
- Nir Ben Yona
whateveryoucallit.com domain name is already taken :-]
- Stephane Tsacas
Hi Robert, I had to do the exact same thing to nail all the twit spam I was getting. Hope you get it all sorted!
- James Brown
Even as we sit here, my iPhone dings with new follow e-mails from spam/marketing people. Sigh.
- RobinDotNet
Stephane: LOL, probably. I took this line from Chris Brogan's "Twitter Etiquette Guide".
- Nir Ben Yona
The joys of not being internet famous means I can check out followers personally, block where required and I've only ever got about 2 DM spam. But with the volumes that Robert gets, it's obviously not possible.
- Rachel Clarke
TwitterEtiquetteGuide.com is available ;-)
- Stephane Tsacas
I think Twitter needs something like captcha to keep the bots to a minimum, IMHO.
- Dennis Jernberg
Robert -- yes, on twitter. It seems the more you tweet, and the more people you communicate with, the more spammers follow you. Hoping for auto-follows I guess (I disappoint them in that regard.)
- RobinDotNet
No offense, but what is the utility of being "followed" by someone who already follows tens of thousands?
- Derek Pangallo
Good way to filter, you know the spammers don't actually read anything or participate
- Justin Luey
What is the utility of being "followed" by someone who doesn't tweet and who follows thousands? What do they do, sit at their terminal and watch the tweets go by all day long?
- RobinDotNet
hi Robert u r already following me how r u?
- Gaith
First day on Friend Feed and Robert Scoble is available. What a welcome.... Carey@holisticdds
- Carey O'Rielly
What will you do when the spammers/SEOs infest Friendfeed, as they will, or do you believe this is better crowdsourced and will be able to hold against the hordes?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Rachel -- But numbers alone don't mean anything. Are they that shallow? That must be a stupid question.
- RobinDotNet
Is this going to be the 'most-commented-ever' post on Friendfeed? 240+ already!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Aaman: FriendFeed is FAR more defendable against spam than Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
and how would this benefit people who follow Robert Scoble?
- Seyfi Erol
That seems like a good idea, but I think you're already following a lot of these people
- Carlton Prest
Seyfi: why don't you follow me and see how it goes?
- Robert Scoble
I've gotten 4 follow e-mails since my first post here from people I don't want to follow. Do the bots start running right around midnight?
- RobinDotNet
Mahendra, you're not following the threads in Russian (that's my only hint) :D
- Micah Wittman
Robin: oh yes. But I'm never sure what's worse. the people who just want to talk about the numbers or the people they may be able to impress.
- Rachel Clarke
Aaman - Friendfeed doesn't make link-tracking easy, so it's less interesting for spammers to infest.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Is this a test of interaction or more likely a sort of audience verification?
- Gilgamesh
Gilgamesh: it is what you want it to be. For me I followed you.
- Robert Scoble
If twitter is noise, and FriendFeed is conversation, Robert Scoble followers are their own discussion. It's like using an entirely different website.
- Carlton Prest
Rachel, that's a good point. Is Facebook the same way? I joined that and suddenly got all these people I've nothing in common with who want to be my friend. Creepy.
- RobinDotNet
Scoble: you convinced me! (thought you just needed self-validation, sorry)
- Derek Pangallo
Derek: heh, yeah, I am watching this, among other things running across my screen.
- Robert Scoble
Robin: Facebook is the same but I think to a lesser extent - it's harder to find people I think. But still got a load of friend requests that I ignore as I don't know them
- Rachel Clarke
Robin: you mean like people you went to high school with and didnt' like adding you on FB
- Derek Pangallo
I already do. what i mean is if we don't keep FF, Twitter limited to our interests, wouldn't it be garbage we already try hard to get rid of. Or how far can we extend our interests in life or amount of information we consume?
- Seyfi Erol
Derek -- I mean people I really have NO connection with at all. I've only friended a couple of people I work with, and 2 other real friends. I'm getting friend requests from people I don't know at all.
- RobinDotNet
Seyfi: you haven't discovered FriendFeed's groups and lists yet, have you?
- Robert Scoble
I got a Russian-speaking follower on Twitter. I didn't follow him because I don't understand a word he tweets.
- Dennis Jernberg
Did you know that Facebook has started selling parts of itself to the Russians? At end of May, they sold 1.96% stake of Facebook to Russia's Digital Sky Technologies for $200M.
- RobinDotNet
Robert: I shouldn't have underestimated you. You probably have started much longer comment threads on Friendfeed before.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Mahendra, Robert, I agree, FF has been very good at keeping out junk
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Mahendra: I have. I gave away $5,000 once and got more than 1,000 comments on that. But that cost me a lot of cash. Can't afford to do that again.
- Robert Scoble
DST is run by Alisher Usmanov who is closely tied with Putin. You feel ok to that, but re-read the company's user agreement where it says it can share all of your info with third parties. Of course, it's irrelevant to this thread, but I thought it was interesting.
- RobinDotNet
FF is interesting assuming the topic is FF... and/or Scoble's next devilishly clever stunt to generate FF comments
- John Hardy
John: there are lots of interesting topics here on FriendFeed. Did you know you could search by them based on number of likes? Click "Advanced Search" and try.
- Robert Scoble
Very bold, I like it, are you going to keep the people you follow under 2000?
- Joe Dawson
from iPhone
Tell me the newest best way to use FriendFeed!
- Shoichi
I notice that one of the prolific thought-leadering traffic drivers I follow on twitter basically tweets everything he reads, before he reads it. This has lead to spam a few times. disappointing.
- Derek Pangallo
Yo Robert: a man has to do what a man has to do, so one surfer to another: go for it!
- Geer
Here here! A good cleansing is good, now and then... Starting fresh is the way to go, get all of that nonsense out and maintain a core group of people for solid conversation!
- Brian Partridge
Great taking the tour w/ you, Levar Burton & @VegasBill during CES 09 at the Atomic Testing Museum. I would appreciate the follow back. Thanks Robert!
- Chris R
Thanks for following back on Twitter Robert. Cheers from Las Vegas!
- Vegas Bill
I'm pretty sure we're friends here, only just wish there was a easy way to check... and if there is, that some one will let me know....
- Grant Bierman
Just out of curiousity, why are there fewer spammers and bots on FF compared with Twiitter? Is it because they haven't discovered FF yet?
- Sally Church
from iPhone
there are occasionally spammers on FF but I think they mostly get handled quickly vs Twitter where more than occasionally clusters of spammers just follow each other...
- Shannon Clark
What if your already following me? Do I still need to comment here?
- Santa CW™
Sally: I don't explain spam defenses in public. I don't want spammers to figure them out. But there are quite a few defenses against spam here.
- Robert Scoble
I was surprised about the spammer comments, until I started getting female nude model followers and I'm a women. Maybe a nude male model but not Sparkle or Hootie McBoob
- Corrine Pearce
Corrine: hope you don't see that here on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Why are you doing this? You have one of the best listening audiences on twitter! Is there a point to prove that we will post here or go to wefollow?
- David Cole
David: and I can prove that. Twitter's audience has become less and less engaged lately.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, powerful shift by Robert Scoble, I'm really interested in seeing how this works for you Scoble. I slept through all the big news here tonight.
- Jimminy Fuller
Interesting experiment. This is probably one the most commented feedfriend threads in history!
- Menno te Koppele
Plus, David, if you all are listening, you are listening because of my ability to find cool stuff. Mostly that's been because of FriendFeed over the past 18 months. Now I've seen how ascerbic Twitter's spammers have gotten on my accounts.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting. This is going to boost 1000 egos for sure :-)
- Freddie Benjamin
So will it be a matter of just trying to say ahead of the spammers by jumping from one early adopted social network to another?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
JP: no. I am not leaving Twitter. I AM, however, deleting all their accounts so I will no longer be passing them juice.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder how will your FF homepage look like after this.
- ahmet bulent
Does this make you anti-social media?
- Cory Brown
To follow commenters from here on Twitter will be a lot of work for you Robert. Or do you have some magic tool that helps?
- Tibor Holoda
Robert, how many of the 100k do you think you'll still be following when you are done?
- RobinDotNet
~~~> Robert!! Follow me back again. [a] I'm a real fan of the @Scobleizer... and [b] I'm much nicer than some of these sassy bloofers. ;)
- Kim Sherrell
So what if you have all 58k + comment on here? And you have to keep everyone! And your plan is foiled, sir. Okay give or take 10k for the neglected abandoned twitters and the spammers. Btw, you're already following me on both twitter and here. But come on, you're not really. : /
- Lise
That's cool. I am finding the spammers too much to manage these days myself.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Because I can't keep myself from doing math, that's 1.1%.
- RobinDotNet
Lise: I see you a few times a day, but you're right. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Are you trying to make a point about FF v Twitter? I have spammy things to say about my amateur photography, potential homelessness, and run-ins with public-run health system in the US. Isn't all Twitter spam--just spam you want? :)
- Dean Hall
the auto-refresh on this thread is mind-blowing, fun to watch
- nchenga
Do you ever worry about SM burnout Robert? How do you pace your self?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Interesting to note many of most commented threads are in languages other than English. Can we suggest FF has a better international appeal than Twitter?
- Kaan Bingol
Good idea, as you say, stop juicing up the spammers - it'll be interesting to see the stats once you've finished.
- Andrew Piggott
Dean: your Tweets aren't spam. I might keep you. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
I only followed people who were interesting to me, otherwise it is like trying to find a needle in a haystack of brain dumps.
- Daniel Durrans
Exactly. So I expect to be cut. And considering I'm in a crowd of close to 60k, it'll be the same thing.
- Lise
There should be a counter in front of the comments...
- Willem Karssenberg
Lise: and because FriendFeed's search engine is better here too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, yeah I know. Thought you might have meant for your secretscoble twitter account ;)
- Travis Koger
It's kind of like a giant SM break up Robert. *Oh the hearts you are breaking...*
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
I'm fairly selective about who I follow and I follow so maybe you will follow me back!
- Richard Cunningham
from iPod
Robert, care to explain how you use groups in this kind of context? Because I don't get the point of following people who are then placed into a "I don't read this much" kind of group. How do you use groups so that you're (1) not overwhealmed, and (2) actually read what people are saying?
- Ian Betteridge
How many people do you expect to end up with, Robert? What is a reasonable number?
- Lise
You don't have to follow me on Twitter. I think the FriendFeed party palace is mighty fine.
- Josette Torres
from fftogo
(Not that I'll probably see your response, btw - something at the bottom of 350+ responses is effectively buried until FF has better threading tools. Which I'm sure it will, some day.)
- Ian Betteridge
@Daniel - ditto, and for me it is generally development related also. Robert - I know you have to try and keep up with everything going on in the social media space, but I'm always surprised when people follow so many others as it must be extremely difficult to find the wheat in amongst all the chaff.
- Donald Matheson
Robert: I did not know about that search trick. Thanks!
- Menno te Koppele
Ian: a "I don't read this much" kind of group is awesome for serrendipity. Also, anyone who I find there who is high value gets quickly moved to a smaller group.
- Robert Scoble
What? Are you saying you're not following me already...? ;-)
- Jarno Peschier
Lise: on Twitter? Less than 2,000. I can't follow more.
- Robert Scoble
Jamo: I am already following you. Scott: why not? I am already following you too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, it might be a problem for me re-gaining your following as my tweets are not 100% English only (whether that means trying to speak English or no English at all ;). How do you deal with occasional non-English tweeters? As that's clearly a noise for you.
- Tibor Holoda
if only twitter were as engaging as FriendFeed has become, and as instantaneous as things like this comment thread, then maybe I would use it more. Hence why I'm all for unfollowing who you conceive as uninteresting; and if that includes me, then so be it!
- Nick Soden
Tibor: I just skip over most of them. Sometimes I translate them to see if I was right.
- Robert Scoble
It is my hope that I provide you with something as interesting as what you provide me with. Either way, I will continue to peruse your posts with interest.
- James (!?)
Hi, I'm still newish to this social media thang - but good on you for taking a stand.
- Jus
Do you prefer night owls? Because what about all the poor people in SV who went to bed at a decent hour and missed your post? Bummer for them, huh?
- RobinDotNet
I'm back from picking my wife up at the airport and ran across this on my way back to sleep.
- nuBound CEO - Mark
The wild and woolly blogosphere is replete with all sorts of good stuff. Hard to follow 500 people, let alone 1000. I applaud you for trying to take the reins.
- Jack B
It funny you put spammers, SEO experts, bots, social media experts all in one bucket. What are you implying? Btw, I'm none of these...
- Peter Chee
.. and it works!! Just got a mail saying Robert is following me now... :)
- Sudar
Peter: I did that to piss off the SEO experts. :-)
- Robert Scoble
This makes me realise that posting from Twitter as opposed to "to twitter from FF" allows the Twitter stream to grow on the back of FF comments ! otherwise not : as in my case - what do you think Robert ? FF to Twitter ? Or FF aggregating all your tweets ?
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
Nicholas: shhhh, you are discovering my secrets! I'm doing more and more from FriendFeed lately.
- Robert Scoble
I comment and you follow me. Its totally worth it
- Arvind
Arvind: even better I was following you before. Mobilepax: no. I really don't care about followers. Inbound is more important than who is listening to you.
- Robert Scoble
and does that mean I have to write in English from now on :)
- Mobilepax
Nice one - it's cool that you give friendfeed (and all the commenters of course ;-) much kudos.
- Alex Vermeule (@alexve)
If you just follow everyone in this thread, won't you just wind up with noise from 'engaged' people. I mean, does this solve the problem?
- Missionary Broadcasting
Good thing its 4am and my car alarm went off, otherwise you wouldnt follow me! I had to look up a video online how to break the key fob apart becuase aparently its battery leaked and was self activating the panic switch. Damn VWs! a replacement key is only like 150 bucks!!
- Charlieray
Missionary: no. You have not discovered that FriendFeed has groups and MUCH BETTER search.
- Robert Scoble
Its funny that if you say "SEO" on twitter its an instant 10 followers
- Charlieray
I'd rather follow you on Friendfeed, Robert. Your tweets get cross posted here anyway, and there's a much greater sense of engagement in that conversation than there is over at Twitter.
- Andrew Terry
Everyone that "follows" you really does know you love FF. So did you build a tool to follow everyone back that comments on here or are you seriously going to manually follow people back?
- Peter Chee
Theres 451+ comment here, do you really follow *everyone*?
- Fajar Nurdiansyah
Because I am up at 1:20 a.m. PT, why not... I must be your target audience then.
- Georgiana Comsa
It must show you how many people enjoy engaging with you Robert, with the number of people posting here.
- Steve Farnworth
Amazing to see the comment thread to this entry expand constantly in real time.
- Christian Bolstad
Peter: I've manually followed everyone on this thread so far.
- Robert Scoble
Peter: although to be fair I've already followed quite a few people who have commented here.
- Robert Scoble
Hi, you are already following me. My solution to get rid of spammers on Twitter is to block them, that is what I do. If everyone started blocking them, I think things would improve
- Asgeir
What about the SEO experts who accidentally find this feed?
- phil baumann
Robert, but you're following commenters here, not on Twitter, right? Not that i care about Twitter that much, as for me it's just a pipeline. FF and FB are conversational platforms for me, or the places i hang out these days.
- Tibor Holoda
Spammers being blocked doesnt do anything as they are hoping for that 1 in 100 hit of someone clicking that link, eventually they get banned and create a new account.
- Charlieray
Aaman: Sleep? some of us are just starting the day. We're waiting for the US to go to sleep so we can talk about you ;-)
- Rachel Clarke
the term SEO expert is a crock of shit
- Charlieray
Marko: not true. It's better because it has very little spam. It's better because it has a better search engine. It's better because it has comments and likes. It's better because it's an aggregator. And more.
- Robert Scoble
you don't have to follow back. but i'll take the chance to say great work with building 43.
- Alexandre Gamela
from twhirl
Massimo: right up top. Heheh. Alexandre: thank you!
- Robert Scoble
After 6 months out of the social media loop I came back to a whole bunch of follows that I either couldn't remember who they were or why I had followed them - how can that be relevent? So, I culled my follows back to less than 200. I'm now just looking to find the signal amongst the noise.
- Colin Walker
What about FriendFeed? Is there any @notsecretscoble too?
- Ludwik C. Siadlak
Friendfeeding for Scoble to follow me while on vacation in Montauk. There is something wrong with me.
- Mitchell Schneider
Mitchell -- you just don't want to miss the fun.
- RobinDotNet
robkeynes -- nice to see you up and about
- RobinDotNet
Ludwik: no, because here I can just start a new list of users.
- Robert Scoble
Well, this has been fun to watch, but it's almost 2 a.m. and I have to be very smart tomorrow morning, which is easier when I'm not too tired, so everyone have a great [whatever comes next in your time zone].
- RobinDotNet
Robert, I'm trying to understand this follow/unfollow strategy you are applying as Napoleon Bonaparte on a battle field ;) Interested to know the result
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
pushing this thing to its limits just to see what happens? interesting.
- livefast
I really do think the way Twitter has changed in the last few months, with all the media attention, certainly begs for it to be used differently now.
- Nicola Quinn
Wow that's a whole lot of people commenting in the last 2 hours, Rob - How many of the new people you are following from this list are NEW to friendfeed? (estimate?)
- Roy Herrod
Does this constitute a comment or are you looking for some insightful commentary on the state of new media? ;)
- Iwan
40%? This must have turned out to be one of the biggest promotions in FF history, even if it wasn't intended that way. BTW, I'm new to FF too.
- Dennis Jernberg
guess it's good to clean up the list once in a while.
- shadow
Ha ha, nice.... So any major ramifications from the mass unfollow?
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Alistair: other than losing about 1,000 followers so far? No major ramifications.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'm coming out with a project in the Continuing Medical Education field in the next weeks so if you are interested, I wouldn't mind if you will follow me :-)
- Marco Fabbri
Won't tell anybody, specially Seo people, ssshhhh.....
- Giorgio Burlini
from iPhone
You had me at don't tell the spammers...
- Sean Kelly
I think it's a hoot. Now I'm wondering whether to reverse my recent move towards following more, not less. I do believe that from my experience so far FF is more attuned to building/maintaining community than is Twitter.
- Des Walsh
Des: on FriendFeed you can do both strategies at the same time. You can follow a lot more in one list while following even fewer in another.
- Robert Scoble
Des - Once more people re-engage in the conversation here, they'll realize the continuing outright potential of Friendfeed. I still some here before I read my e-mail
- Charlie Anzman
Hi Mr Scoble, I'm with you (but on a smaller scale) I unfollowed about 150 users on Friday, felt good! I pretty much hang out in FF now at my home page and my groups
- Lee
from iPod
wow...just wow :) Robert, you have many fans !!
- Hayk H.
Good luck on hiding from the bots, they have ways of finding people.... :)
- Chris Holm
well, who am I to refuse such a nice offer? here I am!!!
- niccolò vecchia
Good to hear! I have only ~2000 followers, but I can't follow more at the moment due to Twitter's follow limit rule.
- Martin Lindeskog
Great way to test the chemistry between FF and Twitter. I like it.
- E-Advocate Network
Robert - I'am definitely not a spammer when it comes to broadcasting anything to people, who doesn't want to hear it :) but I do sometimes respond (mostly on twitter so @reply) to some tweets not aimed on me, but that's what everybody actually asks for when publicly broadcasting anything.
- Dušan Šimonovič
Shhh...don't tell anyone but I'm neither of those (the spammers, SEO experts, the bots, or the social media experts,) though, I like the heck out of the concept of this thread...
- Vincent Wright
Good idea about the unfollow. It was an interesting experiment whilst it lasted but given your lifestyle I'm sure most Twitter messages just passed you by. I never DM'd you however, it was nice to think that I had the option if I wanted to. Anyway I've been on FF for ages now, and what I need is a good FF app (for pc), any ideas anyone?
- Nick Bristow
Nick: I just use a browser with FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Only 530 comments so far? Come on people you are not even trying.
- John Cooper
@Rob Sellen, did you see the comments on the most recent ffundercats podcast entry. http://friendfeed.com/ffunder... Over 1000 in a very short period of time. Although I expect that this post will also get up to those levels.
- Travis Koger
NOTICE: I am closing comments here because I gotta get some sleep. I'll consider doing this again sometime. Sorry if you didn't get in, but see you tomorrow night.
- Robert Scoble
"The simplicity of this app is a plus for me ... Using OAuth also shows that the developers are keeping up with security best practices."
- Ideas At Random
It can be hard to follow a conversation on Twitter ... Do you think they'll add threaded Tweets linked to from the original status message?
- Ideas At Random
Maybe there should be a way that Friendfeed could pull in @replies from Twitter, and place them in the comments of the respective post here, regardless of whether they have a ff account or not?
- Tim Young
@Random there's already a in-reply-to id, but not all clients support it, and it is quite limited anyway
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
I think FF is a far superior web application to Twitter but for a lot of people, Twitter is social media, just like AOL was the internet to a lot of people in 1995.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
@Jean-Charles VERDIE Have you ever used the "Nested Twitter Replies" plug-in for FireFox? http://userscripts.org/scripts... It's a GreaseMonkey script that follows the reply-to id you talked about. It would be cool to have this type of threading offered by the standard Twitter status page.
- Ideas At Random
While Tim's idea is great, I'd rather FF spend time making FF better, rather than giving the most basic of conversational features to twitter.
- Andy Bakun
Twitter is a good tool to keep in touch with a few people via SMS sometimes. Friendfeed can't do that (nor of course, was it designed to). I've always maintained FF and Tiwtter and two different tools for different (but sometimes overlapping) services. I have never understood why so many folks seem to pitch them head to head in some kind of contest.
- Ian May
I actually considered linking the rss feed of my @replies with FF, so that, if someone was curious to see the rest of the conversations I have on Twitter, they could.. but that wouldnt organize it. Andy: I agree. My biggest pet peeve is that most people think of FF as just a Twitter app, when it's not at all that. But if the people at FF are sitting around one day, with nothing to do, I wouldn't mind them working on porting in @replies. :)
- Tim Young
Tim: yes, let's keep that at a priority of "FF is fucking awesome, now what are we going to do?".
- Andy Bakun
With only conversations in mind, it might not be a point of getting it, but a point of acting upon it. Conversations are at the focus of FriendFeed, and you get involved more and with more people in the context of a single conversation - you get a post covering a topic, anyone can join in, and it's instantly visible to everyone. On Twitter however it's really hard to follow and engage...
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- Ivan Zuzak
I really feel twitter is a half baked system. Someone described it as micro-RSS and that is exactly right IMO.
- Geoff Schultz
I really like FF's "My discussions" tab ... Makes it easy to follow real time discussions you've commented on and check the progress ... That's also why I like http://www.backtype.com ... It lets you track your comments from all over the web into one place & then add it as a data source to FF
- Ideas At Random
Every time this discussion comes up, I find myself wondering why Jaiku wasn't more popular.
- Donald Forth
Donald: Jaiku's UI wasn't very nice and once it got to Google it stopped iterating and getting better.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: As one of those rabid mobile Twitter users, I confess the point you make, while quite valid, is a difficult paradigm shift. Routines can be hard to break and the shift from mobile tools for Twitter, and heavy SMS, to completely web-centric FriendFeed is a huge change in "work flow" and in thinking. It's been a challenge and is still a struggle, and I'm sold. Even being sold on...
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- Ken Camp
@Ideas @ Random -- There is a Greasemonkey script (@troy... something's script) which I run that shows threaded conversations on the Twitter homepage.
- Miss Elle
the paradigm might be the problem. i was excited to see this tweet and, out of habit, responded back via twitter ("scobleizer looking forward to monday's blog. twitter is, many times, an unrepentant 'black hole' of information" & "and data which can be reliably retrieved often requires the extraordinary efforts of people, tools & tech outside twitter") when i should've come Here directly. twitter seems to be stuck in a morass--unable to make easy things easy...
- wishinoo
Ken: Most of my FriendFeed activity is done on my iPhone. I don't see FF as being web-centric. :-)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
MarkL I might agree with an iPhone. I don't use or want one though and thinking a iPhone answers mobility overlooks most of the market. I use a Blackberry and am unlikely to change. Robert and I have talked about this as well. I do use an iPod Touch, but frankly, it's simply not a useful interface for me and I don't do FF on there either. If FriendFeed is going to succeed in leveraging...
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- Ken Camp
Yes, Ken, it is amazing to me that FriendFeed hasn't funded more mobile clients yet. I don't notice that because I am on an iPhone but they definitely are betting on the future of mobile instead of where it is. That is a very good strategy, worked for Microsoft very well, remember?
- Robert Scoble
It is a stepping stone, that once one takes, moving from Twitter to FF, you seldom look back.
- Thom Kennon
re: FF being fucking awesome, you can get utter Luddites hooked. Step one, open them an account. Step two, add some people they know. Step three, set it as their homepage, so that the home feed is opened when their browser starts. That's it. Wait for a week, they'll start liking stuff and commenting. I bet it also works on senior citizens. Because it's really intuitive, it just sounds incredibly complicated when social media geeks start expounding on its virtues.
- Goran Zec
Agree that FF is wonderfully intuitive. I'm a relatively new user and still finding new things I like. WRT whether or not FF should work on how to thread Twitter conversations, I'm with Tim. It's too big a shortcoming of Twitter (in light of its current uptake rate) to have *someone* not put effort into figuring out how to do that. May as well be FF; odds are good it would be done well. Then the conversation "URG, how do I..." gets answered with "simple, FF". Seems like a potentially big win.
- Scotty Perkins
Robert,: I can't argue about the potential strategy of treating iPhone as the only phone. But it does leave a gap since iPhone makes up far less that 5% of the mobile phones on the planet. To overlook SMS is to overlook a huge part of the world and an overwhelming market. That's not to say it won't be lucrative and powerful. But it leaves a hole that will be filled by someone. And...
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- Ken Camp
And I'm really curious how many iPhone users are NOT using the browser on their iPhone to use FriendFeed. I haven't seen a lot of buzz around other clients. To say it isn't browser-centric because they use it on their iPhone (via the browser) isn't terribly credible to me.
- Ken Camp
Robert, I'm glad you took time to explain that. I confess - I have been guilty of expecting the obvious ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I can see Twitter's character limit an issue, when a user does not also have a FriendFeed account.
- Nicholas Chase
Ken - SMS message pricing is going exponentially upward now. Telecoms are putting artificial pressure to phase them out and get people on to IM and the like, so they can reclaim the bandwidth for something less silly.
- Matthew DeVries
Ken: I'm using BuddyFeed on my iPhone. I also post items from Safari using the BuddyFeed bookmarklet, including photos. At least 80% of my FriendFeed activity takes place from my iPhone.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Mark: The struggle for Ken and I both is we use Blackberry's. If we used an iPhone I'm sure it would be different but we don't. We're tied to the Blackberry devices. As far as I can tell, the only way to use FF from a mobile device effectively is with an iphone. None of the other phones make it as seemless. It is one of the BIG drawbacks for me, and why I still use twitter for most of my communicating.
- Sheryl
Matthew: I don't see SMS pricing going up anywhere. I actually see carriers at the business level talking about reducing pricing. It's a near-zero cost to carry and no management overhead or bandwidth of consequence is involved. As a 30-year telco business veteran, I expect to see it get cheaper, easier and more abundant for the next 2-3 years. They cannot force most of the world to IM,...
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- Ken Camp
Mark: Thanks. I haven't looked at BuddyFeed, butdo use Twitter clients on both Blackberry and iPod. Like Sheryl said, we use BB, but we do use our Ipods too. Maybe BuddyFeed or AMigo by a friend will give us more friendly mobile tools. Sadly, on the Blackberry, the web interface and fftogo are simply unusable. They're our only mobile options.
- Ken Camp
I use MotherFeed to post from my iPhone. I've pretty much stopped using Mobile Safari to get to FF. I don't use my WinMo phone for FF, but I keep meaning to try out that app that's in alpha right now.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Sheryl: That's because the iPhone isn't a phone. It's a handheld computer that you can sometimes make phone calls with.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
..and when given on FriendFeed, the answer can be twitted. Should make everybody happy ;)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Mark: I agree the iPhone is like a mini pc, but interestingly enough so is the Bold. The one thing iPhone does better than Bold is provide a multi window opportunity, but my Bold has a qwerty keyboard which for me makes it a much nicer device to use. I would like a downloadable app for my bold that would allow me access to FF not dissimilar to socialscope on the bold for twitter, or...
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- Sheryl
@Ideas at Random: this is a GM script. Works only with Firefox (tried it with GreaseKit on my safari, ain't work). I can't remember but there's a website providing that kind of service too. But my point was that it was a very poor system and that Twitter _themselves_ should provide something more consistent
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
FriendFeed is infinitely better, and I want to thank you, Scoble, for introducing me to it. Unfortunately, I still find myself opening Facebook from time to time, as I cannot seem to integrate that into FriendFeed properly :(
- Carlton Prest
I know that's impossible. Which is why people should use friendfeed instead. Friendfeed: where search actually works.
- Andy Bakun
Carlton: that's a problem with facebook's platform.
- Andy Bakun
Once FF integrates better with blogging systems - then we'll see a greater adoption.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Jonathan: yes. In FriendFeed knowledge is bundled together and can be found in the future.
- Robert Scoble
Does anyone know if all your Tweets are archived forever? Do they ever expire?
- Ideas At Random
Under what circumstanced is Twitter a good knowledge-base?
- Amit Morson
Twitter archives your tweets: if you delete them, it takes like 3 weeks for them to disappear out of search.
- Andy Bakun
but twitter do not need to offer this - thousands of apps already exist to pull out the knowledge you want it. e.g. find what links you posted -> http://tweetmeme.com/user...
- Nick Halstead
Ideas: My early Tweets are not indexed. You can't find early Tweets from the Chinese earthquake, for instance. Are they saved? Probably, but since they aren't indexed in Twitter search it doesn't matter.
- Robert Scoble
Nick: bullshit. Find everyone who responded to my Netbook question over on Twitter. Some responded without using my name.
- Robert Scoble
What's interesting about this challenge is that since twitter's search ability is what's being questioned, there's really no way to verify that _everything_ could be found, because there's no external, non-twitter copy of all of twitter to see if you could find _everything_ about any given topic. You can't be sure that you found everything.
- Andy Bakun
They'll be a search or other app capability that will make getting anything you want out easy in future. The whole world will be (increasingly) organized, and not just via Google.
- Alex Hammer
Alex: that's not true. Each Tweet does not have enough metadata to make search easy. This is the #1 reason why I have been pushing FriendFeed so hard.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: that's the future. What about now?
- Andy Bakun
It's almost impossible to find a tweet. It's only 140 characters of info with no metadata. Each tweet is just not individual enough to find again later. Needles and haystacks...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Yep, metadata is the key, and 140 characters is not enough to even store unstructured metadata AND the content itself.
- Andy Bakun
Robert (from FF and copying Twitter): I have heard that Google is planning to launch a search engine for twitts. If so, that could be a very good solution to store, index and retrieve all the knowledge in Twitter. By the way, 140 characters are not that heavy!
- Eduardo Loyola
@ Robert Scoble ...Have you tried searching your FF account for your early Tweets, like the Chinese earthquake?
- Ideas At Random
Ideas: I have and it is better than Twitter but not perfect.
- Robert Scoble
You mean "impossible" as in the rich API with which tons of developers have found tons of ways to interact with Twitter? I'm no dev, but it sounds like it's one of the most accessible services yet.
- David Chartier
David: twitter's API can't add the metadata that will make search good.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, Robert is right there. The API just doesn't make search any better. Everything is just too much of the same.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
If you send all your tweets to FriendFeed they are much easier to search and find later. Or use LoudTwitter < http://loudtwitter.com > you can backup your tweets to your blog and archive them.
- Chris Loft
I still have a lot of followers on twitter that are not on FF. I see that changing fast, but I have no desire to set up a bunch of "fake" accounts. I wish I could just view twitter users in FF. The way that Steve Rubel uses Gmail, is changing my workflow for sure however...
- Robert
from email
Those fake accounts sure are a pain in the arse to set up.
- Mark
I realized the difference when I googled something and found the answer in a friendfeed thread, not going to get that via twitter.
- BCK
Take heart Mr. Scoble, the next big Twitter is looming nearby, the developers are coding it as we speak..This is the most amazing time for technology, as long as the 'bean-counters' don't kill the innovation.. Respectfully, Nicholas Chase
- Nicholas Chase
Workaround for archiving my Twitter conversations. I setup a rss feed based on a search results with my username.(ie http://search.twitter.com/search...) and have the feed in Google Reader. Now I can quickly search my old tweets. Yes, I know it doesn't help find other people's tweets or info. But, with using my Twitter username as the search word, I archive @replies, and any mentions. I started this with Google Reader in January and have access to every tweet I sent and received since then.
- Brian
That is real time, man. Why we don't understand: it is not there if it is not happening in real time.
- Nitin Nanivadekar
As we are moving towards a real time stream of information, we fail to conserve the value. Twitter Search lists the latest messages on your query and therefore any tweet older than a couple minutes is lost. I would love a time line of the election in Iran from the beginning with coverage of the main events within the election, the most important messages and the leading users. Than, add photo and video footage and Twitter would have real time coverage of events.
- Thomas R. Stegelmann
Whatever actual knowledge Twitter has to offer is generated via network effects -it is collective, not Scoble- who along with 'us,' contibute time, presence and input which is sometimes smart + insightful, sometimes off-the-cuff, sometimes emotional + sensational, sometimes (yes, even) frivolous... all of which generates a certain kind of intelligence. And yes, given a specific context, this might pass for knowledge.
- Brad Kligerman
I have my twitter home feed imported here as an imaginary friend, just to make searching it easier, so I can restrict the search to my home feed instead of the entire twitterverse.
- April Russo (app103)
That's why everyone should pipe their tweets into FriendFeed, even Technosailor Aaron Brazell. All of them are retained, and they're easily searchable.
- Hutch Carpenter
What should be added in a search engine to make it more viable?
- James Stratford
Maybe you need to stop thinking of Twitter as something you 'put things in' that you later need to 'take out'. If Twitter is not a type of container, what else could it be? I think Twitter is a thought process, a community thought process. It helps you think, it helps you generate new ideas from it's own content. You don't need to take things out, you just need to add your thoughts to it.
- Joolio
Robert are you aware of Tweetree? It is like Twitter in HD. http://tweetree.com/garinki... It does a much better job tracking Twitter replies and it will insert videos, entire blog posts, and even the entire ff thread in real-time from any tweets that are made via ff.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Garin: Thanks for the link. Great site! Hadn't heard of tweetree before.
- Mike Bracco
This is the reason why I have Louttwitetr blog all my daily tweets in a blog dedicated to this ;) Same for delicvious links to also share the link-love
- oliver gassner
No, people need to stop thinking that every new type of service or technology eliminates what preceeded it. Blogging serves a number of important uses, just like micro-blogging with Twitter and FriendFeed serve their own.
- David Chartier
from BuddyFeed
perhaps it's just starting to smell funny
- Thom Kennon
Blog is content. Web 2.0 and social network are just powerful tools for content spreading. If blogs will disappear what social network will...spread?
- Daniele Di Gregorio
@ David Chartier ... I totally agree ... Learning about a new technology & how it can best be utilized is key ... It's about adding to your "online toolbox", not always having to empty it out and start over.
- Ideas At Random
Point of Sale Tweet: I am waiting to see a point of sale touch screen where you enter your twitter credentials and the store tweets your purchase on your behalf (like what MacHeist did except in the physical world). As a incentive, you would get store credit, discount etc...Has anyone seen this yet? - http://img31.yfrog.com/i...
Sort of but I feel it's funny how people got up in arms about Beacon but then do everything to share their lives to everyone - like their netflix queue or what restaurant they just went to on Twitter. As long as you know when information on your activity is being disseminated I think it's ok - especially if their are incentives beyond just sharing with your friends (i.e. discounts, store rewards etc...)
- Mike Bracco
Recently saw Twitter accounts printed on my menu at my Local Pat & Oscars and Rubio's ... Is this the start of the "Tipping Point" for Twitter or has it already tipped? ;)
- Ideas At Random
I think the point of sale touch screen is coming - I have suggested it as part of a twitter business plan - I would love it especially if it gets me a discount.
- Robert Freeze
It's early days yet. Has anyone seen a twitter handle or facebook page printed on the bottom of a retail receipt? Damm, did I say that out loud, I should have patented that.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
I love the beer coming from there. Say hello to the guys of Stone Brewing from the Bierkoning. ;-)
- Ton Zijp
And you have got to try some of the Stone oven baked Pizza
- Brent - Loving Life
I almost wrecked a few times watching the formations of Jets flying overhead instead of keeping my eyes on the road.
- Brent - Loving Life
I loved Old San Diego...good food :0
- Owen Greaves
And you've got gorgeous weather ordered. It was great to talk search after #140tc this afternoon, and thx for the invite. I'll give u a bell once you're back from SD to coordinate
- Belinda Simcox (Sim)
We look forward to the results of that long lens you're packing. Enjoy.
- Gilbert Harding
Heya Robert.. if you have any interest in learning more about some of the stuff we showed you, I can hook you up with the folks doing the SW for Snapdragon while you are in SD...
- MarkHirsch
wow, this is interesting and exciting....am about to have my breakfast, eggs, sausage and waffles
- Tweet Feeds
looking forward to those photos you get! :)
- Thomas Hawk
via mashable.com"... Realistically, it’s not likely that content creators will notice much of a difference, given that, even fresh out of beta, there’s almost 600,000 posts tagged “health,” which means that your wisdom may get lost in the crowds." ... Good point about signal to noise ratio.
- Ideas At Random
from Bookmarklet
via mashable.com "The service has been taken completely offline, with data corruption and loss that “will take days, not hours,” to fix. ..."
- Ideas At Random
from Bookmarklet
via - tgdaily.com "Washington (DC) - On October 29, 2008, a vigilant senior Unix engineer happened across a "logic bomb" that was allegedly planted by a contractor ..."
- Ideas At Random
from Bookmarklet
"combining OpenID federated login together with OAuth access authorization. Websites can now ask Google to sign-in a user using their Google Account, and at the same time request access to information available via OAuth-enabled APIs such as the Google Data APIs."
- Ideas At Random
from Bookmarklet