it'd definitely going to take me a while to get to a million. I'm publishing about 200 photos to flickr a week right now and at this pace it will take 92 years to get there. I'll get the pace up to 400-500 a week in the future though. Better technology should make processing easier and someday my kids will be grown and I'll be able to quit my day job and focus on this even more. The best photos have yet to be taken.
- Thomas Hawk
When I think about this I realize your best days are ahead of you.
- Russellreno
What's your shot/publish ratio? I mean, on average how many shots do you take to produce those you publish?
- Yuval Atzmon
atzmon, I probably average about 2,000 shots a week that I shoot. And I'm probably processing 300 or so of those a week at present, so I'm probably keeping about 15%. The other 85% never get processed and are kept in my archives. I'm trying only to process and publish the shots that I think meet a certain quality criteria.
- Thomas Hawk
You upload a lot more than I do. I have about 40,000 pictures but only about 2000 uploaded. Mostly because I have not gotten around to processing more. =)
- Jauder Ho
from twhirl
Jauder, the good news is that processing will only get easier in the future. I've watched it get better with each successive Adobe release. Lightroom 2.0 is the best processing tool yet. It's not necessarily faster per se though because with more tools there are yet even more ways to tweak a photo hence even more time. But the tools to speed things up are coming too. auto geotagging, better anti dust tech, faster processing speeds, easier online tools with faster broadband are all around the corner.
- Thomas Hawk
16,000 ?? Yikes. Cool number. Congrats.
- Charlie Anzman
This photo is total awesome. It is made even more awesome by the knowledge that there are 15,999 more photos just as awesome as this one. EDIT: This photo is now my desktop background. :)
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Always loved that quote " The best photos have yet to be taken. - Thomas Hawk"
- johnpiercy
Congrats, I even don't think I took so many photos in my life. :)
- Ferhad Fidan
from fftogo
@thomas: Yahoo should be giving Flickr to you for free. You'd do a great job with it. And it would be historical: the first user-generated (company) acquisition :)))
- Alberto D'Ottavi
from fftogo
I guess the metier of 'photo editor' is kaput...or, at least, greatly altered....
- Chris Gulker
You know they are going to delete your account without warning once you hit 999,999, right? :)
- Ace
Ace, I hope not, I'd be so pissed. Actually I think alot of what gets me so upset about all the content/account deletion issues is that I really do worry that it actually will happen to me. Flickr staff hates me and they'd *love* to delete my account. I worry that I'll wake up one morning and everything will have been nuked. I suppose that's why I'd like to see them enact the ability to...
more...
- Thomas Hawk
Holyshit! You have taked just couple of photos...
- k00pa
Because this post is from September last year k00pa :)
- Simon Wicks
@Chris Gulker. Someday I hope to work with a photo editor. God knows I need to. I like to think of my Flickrstream today more as the raw material in a lot of ways for future projects. A good photo editor adds tremendous value to shaping a photographer's imagery.
- Thomas Hawk
I really need an Iphone for stuff like this. Sadly I can count on two hands all my close friends I actually have and on one hand the number of people I ever call, so its not worth the cash :(
- Mark
These apps are awesome and the 3.1 OS seems to make good part to AR
- Musaraign
You will see many more on Android, because more Android phones are out than iphone 3GS (which is the only type of iphone that supports it) http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Charbax
Just watched a video on one... these look pretty dang cool!
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
I have another video coming out shortly that shows one coming this week.
- Robert Scoble
In Snow Crash, Neal Stephenson referred to users of pervasive augmented reality as gargoyles. They always had half of their attention focussed on the supplementary details their rig was presenting.
- DGentry
If there's anything, near-future, really smack-society-upside-the-head-transformative, it's AR. Probably not getting enough attention/hype. Real AR glasses coming soon: http://www.vuzix.com/iwear...
- Christopher A Carr
Super nice link Christopher Carr, what is the resolution of The Wrap 920AV? What I really hope is for such AR glasses 1. Not to disturb at all with viewing the world around you, crashing into things all the time because of AR would be a pretty bad thing 2. Needs not to hurt or damage vision in any ways, thus needs to be very much in focus, very visible and not painful to the eye at all.
- Charbax
Don't diss stuff like this. My non-geeky spouse uses the augmented reality apps to map walking routes for exercise. He NEVER walked before he got an iPhone. NEVER. Between livestrong apps and these, he's lost 40 lbs, on track to be at perfect weight in 20 more.
- Karoli
Apostol: that might be true, but there's something going on here which is very useful.
- Robert Scoble
Charbax: RE: Wrap 920AV. They've yet to release all the specs. "Equivalent to a 60” screen viewed from nine feet." Did you see the head-tracking and stereo camera accessories? Being able to stream your POV to someone else wearing the glasses might be very useful.
- Christopher A Carr
There's definitely something going on in AR, I'm looking forward to seeing what people do with it in time. Right now a key limitation is GPS accuracy in metropolitan areas: you need consistent <1 meter accuracy to do truly awesome things in AR (i.e. point at an object and get information on it) and we're not really there yet.
- Raj Advani
The GPS accuracy limitation is why all the AR apps coming out right now have more to do with navigation (finding a place) than information (getting information about a place in front of you).
- Raj Advani
You said you'll be putting a video up of one coming out soon. Where can we see it?
- Richard South
Richard: here: http://ff.im/5gPbU -- it's not quite augmented reality because it doesn't put the camera underneath, but it's about the same as the others I've seen so far.
- Robert Scoble
that's it- the understanding of publics.
- Kevin Marks
Plus they have video games for entertainment and have lots of time. I don't have time, so Twitter is a form of entertainment that I can get in bite sized chunks.
- Robert Scoble
That's it in one sentence: "Most teens just want to talk with their friends, not write to the world, he says" now maybe the world can start spinning again.
- Hoop
It's really interesting how I've noticed that most of my peers (20-somethings) are too hooked on Facebook to use Twitter or FriendFeed. Again, they don't see the point; Facebook has built-in Twitter that shares with the people they already know and care about.
- Jason Preston
too easy to get in trouble for what you say - on most networks you have to accept the invite of those who want to connect - not so on twitter
- Julie Gallaher
That's the same response I get from nieces and nephews.
- Joseph Ferris
Same thing I hear from a ton of people, regardless of age. For most people, they first need a "point" to use it or else they either don't sign up or don't return.
- Jeff Peters
danah talked about how some teens are using private twitter accounts, as Facebook is now too public, as their parents and teachers are there http://bit.ly/Awmw9 Multiple publics http://bit.ly/publics
- Kevin Marks
My 14-year-old daughter doesn't want to share her life with the world on Twitter...and I'm good with that!
- Kirsti Scott
They care, like us about reputation, but within their 'groups' - not publicly....
- Mrinal Desai
I am here, and I am only thirteen. But I use it to post news, not about my life.
- Zachary TG
I'll have to explain it to her in detail before she gets it, prefers Facebook since ALL of her friends are there
- Miguel Rodriguez
Kids today don't understand nor care about the social dynamics that they will be involved in. Without a solid background now they can never hope to make truly justified choices later on. It scares me because I have to deal with them directly.
- Adam
I'm not much older than your son, but I have a twitter. Noticeably many of my friends detest twitter and compare it to facebook status messages, therefore they are unable to understand what makes Twitter great. Facebook has managed to grab the minds of us teenagers. I must admit I am much more inclined to update my facebook statuses as my friends will comment on it.
- Rahul Krishnakumar
the reason Twitter does well with teens is because they don’t care about networking – the act of creating/extending a network – as much as they do in their existing network itself. http://www.kanjhan.com/2009...
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
PARDON ME! DOES ANYBODY HAVE A BRAIN?
- Zachary TG
Don't worry Zachary - you don't exist in this thread
- Bwana ☠
It seems that every ones use of these tools is a bit different. I use twitter/friendfeed to keep in touch with fellow surfers and fellow web developers I know both here and across the world. Twitter/friendfeed have be come my best tools for this.
- Luke Kilpatrick
My son, while I type into FriendFeed, is playing Halo. The original one.
- Robert Scoble
Yet when I talk about the importance of tying Twitter to gaming, I get ignored
- Bwana ☠
Zach - no clue man, you're the exception the point in this thread :)
- Bwana ☠
Also teenagers are less likely to stick with Twitter long enough to make it useful to them, Facebook has a sort of instant gratification with adding your friends and commenting them etc.
- Chris Lawrence
I am @ricklafave on twitter, but I see the gap being that teens are all about text direct conversations. I see a huge gap in communication between the generations.
- Rick LaFave
Bwana- You just got yourself another subscriber. :)
- Zachary TG
Hey now, I'm 16 and Twitter totally rules over Facebook for me. Twitter's for discussing news; Facebook's for your personal life. Totally agree w/ Zachary TG
- Kirk R. Arner
Of course there are exceptions, I'm 19 and I'm on Friendfeed and Twitter, but we're talking about the majority of teenagers, Kirk and Zachary.
- Chris Lawrence
Have to agree here... my kid (13) and step brother (14) are total facebook kids... they occasionally hop on MySpace as well. Both try to get into Twitter, but really do not see the point.
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
Chris Lawrence: I understand. But like 60% of students at my school use Twitter, only around 40% use Facebook.
- Zachary TG
By the time today's teens are into things they'll look upon Twitter like we now look at IRC. I'm wondering if I even still have an IRC client on my machine....
- Andrew Leyden
Totally agree, Chris, but more teens are into tech than people think. Not all of us are texting to our friends about useless junk 24/7.
- Kirk R. Arner
because it takes too long and is too involved...
- Morgan Haley
Adults are very lazy...140 characters is tough to power through, but doable. The only people lazier than adults? Teenagers. Why bother with Twitter when their lives revolve around Facebook and it meets all their needs?
- Todd Pringle
That's really cool, I know about three of my friends on Twitter and they never use it haha. And if they do they use it as they would Facebook status.
- Chris Lawrence
Even though I text friends, it is just for information, not for useless information.
- Zachary TG
Todd Pringle: I am so not lazy. I wouldn't be spelling my words correctly now would I?
- Zachary TG
Texting has always been really big in Australia, Zachary. It's a habit that's hard to get out of.
- Chris Lawrence
Well yeah, same for me, but we're the exceptions.
- Kirk R. Arner
Zach: speaking in generalities of course. Clearly you are an exception. All up on Friendfeed and whatnot.
- Todd Pringle
I recently started texting. But it was almost created in Canada.
- Zachary TG
I will be happy when everyone has the internet in their pocket and I can just email people instead of spending 25c everytime I want to use 140 characters :(
- Chris Lawrence
Todd Pringle: Thank you. I see that people on FriendFeed are different then the casual social networker. We have manners and use large words and sentences. Thank you
- Zachary TG
goes back to "announce" vs. "discuss", too. Fb has nice "my friends and family" feel that Twitter and FF don't yet have.
- MikeAmundsen
Depends on geographic area. Here it was the Myspace revolution, then slowly became Facebook. The early adopters of Facebook jumped on the Twitter ship and now the middle stage of Facebook adopters are jumping to Twitter. Does Facebook rule supreme among my group? Yes, with myspace a close second, and twitter slowly catching up. PS, i'm 16.
- Sean Quinn
I also don't think most teenagers grasp the difference between Twitter and Facebook. My friends who are content with Facebook don't see any need for Twitter and are actually puzzled by it's intended use. Over and over again I here, "Well Facebook can do that, can't it?"
- Angus Burton
It is only 5c in Canada per text, and unlimited for 5 dollars.
- Zachary TG
Yeah phone plans in Australia are really ridiculous. There are hardly any unlimited SMS plans and the ones that are you are usually paying over $80 a month. But I digress!
- Chris Lawrence
But our data plans are outrageous. $30 for only 500MB.
- Zachary TG
My 16-year-old daughter said the same thing a few months back. But she finally relented and is on Twitter now. A few weeks ago she said "I've never been more informed in my life" since joining.
- Patrick Giblin
Seeing the longtail of Twitter takes a somewhat more mature mindset. That's why some mature teens can 'get' Twitter and why some childish adults don't (and content with Facebook).
- CannonGod
I think the topic teens liking or not liking twitter topic is entertaining at best. Does anyone have any decent statistics on this? Not to mention the term "teen" is pretty loose 13 and 18 are a world apart. I would think a teen using or not using would be more based on their personal interest. My 20 and 30 year old friends that aren't in the tech industry could care less about it.
- Nicholas Fidanza
Admittedly younger generations want to talk with less ppl but more frequently, and adults want to create more connections for friendship or financial gain. Kids don't need to worry about being loved, they have mum & dad at the end of the day :-P Sad single geeks however...
- CannonGod
@Angus that was a comment concern among my friends. Where twitter began to rule was among mobile updating. Although teens can use and do use Facebook Mobile, a two-way conversation can work well among a group of friends via Twitter on mobile phones much rather than Facebook status updates/conversations on Facebook, in my experience.
- Sean Quinn
I'm 16 and me and my close group of friends use twitter-its possible to have "chat room" like conversations about things (where are we gonna go after school, etc.) if we're all hooked up on it-it works great, but admittedly some kids use twitter more than others (like me)
- Oliver Reich
My 15 year old chats on Myspace with her friends. I told here to message one of her regular chat buddies as "You Troll" today and she laughed until she almost peed her pants. :)
- Eric Logan
I just see Twitter as Social SMS. Teens like texting, so really it's just an extension of that. I can therefore see it being used more as a tool rather than an actual network per-say.
- CannonGod
While it’s possible to make Twitter “private,” the culture of Twitter is all about participation in a large public square. From the digerati seeking widespread attention to the politically minded hoping to appear on CNN, many are leveraging Twitter to be part of a broad dialogue. Teens are much more motivated to talk only with their friends and they learned a harsh lesson with social...
more...
- Johni Fisher
my oldest is 20 and uses Twitter and friendfeed a lot but he's a techie- my youngest is 17, uses mostly facebook and sms with friends - doesn't grok twitter yet he's very social...
- mike "glemak" dunn
from iPhone
got kids 24, 22, & 18. 24 is the only Tweeter. all use Fb. none use FF.
- MikeAmundsen
The article discusses that Teens like building out profiles, and taking to people they know. Twitter's not really for that - it's used more for information sharing IMO.
- Steffan Antonas
It's a crime to suggest that Twitter as a whole is just a single feature of FB and has been that way since the beginning. I never understood when Twittr was demo'd to me how a single feature of a bigger app (in my case, IM status/mood messages) needed to be an app on its own. However, what the early adopter mass wants, the early adopter mass gets (until the mainstream mass shows up and it's zomg culture/class war... I LOVE watching this.)
- Eric Rice
Sean: That's a good point. Strangely, using Twitter as a conversation base didn't occur to me. I actually thought more about using a FriendFeed room for that.
- Angus Burton
I agree with Patrick and I'm well past my teens! FF adds talking with my friends, so it works.
- Rachel Lea Fox
It is simple: kids don't use Twitter because they dont have an iPhone! Most teenagers don't have a decent internet enabled device that allows them to use Twitter nicely. Most parents can't afford (or want) to pay $150+ phone bills for their kids plus buy them an iPhone. I have many young friends and they all love the "Big Brother" spirit of Twitter. I totally dont believe the "I'm a...
more...
- Arturo Toledo
No dis... I have a 19 y/o daughter...Maybe it because he sees you using it and thinks its an "old people" thing... ?
- Ron Thompson
Geoff: same thing, but then he might be biased cause I hang here all day and it's simply not cool to hang out with your parents when you're 15.
- Robert Scoble
It's a lot easier to have friends in school. On the outside you have to be a bit more proactive.
- Todd Hoff
I only use Twitter to broadcast what I am doing on Posterous, and FriendFeed.
- Matt Ruiz
I'm an older (some say very old) user and friends my age don't do Twitter, FB etc. Their opinion: why bother when I have email? Why would I want to share with the Internet at large? The web is full of idiots.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Geoff: I read FriendFeed I just don't post very much. I enjoy reading Twitter and FF they can cetainly be informative and interesting. None of my friends are on Twitter so I was speaking from my experience with them, not all teens.
- Patrick Scoble
Todd: That is also absolutely true with students.
- Patrick Scoble
It is true but a lot of adults don't see the point of it either at the moment and I think it'll change.I'm 19 and I think it's more useful than Facebook etc.
- Craig Malone
kids dont use words or language, they communicat through hyperlinks & txt. as they get older, they'll appreciate the value of words
- echostreamer
Teens spend 6 or 8 hours a day within a few hundred feet of most of the people they know. Why would they need Twitter?
- Rob Sterling
the same reason they spend the next 8 hours glued to facebook and the internet instead of going outside to chill with those friends (no offense :)
- echostreamer
Yeah, but information on Facebook is shared the same way as in school - it's hierarchical and clique-based. Kids are more like base primates than adults. Twitter is too open, when they want to control the dissemination of information among those people they know in school.
- Rob Sterling
There are a lot of 13-15 year-olds on Twitter, just look around :) The best way to find them is to find a celebrity who might garner a teen following ... That said, Twitter is (for now) nowhere near as popular with teens as MySpace and Facebook, for sure.
- dcap
Also, most kids can't afford smartphones, and using Twitter exclusively by text message is mostly a one-way affair. It's pretty lame. I bet your 15 y.o. son loves to text and spends hours on Facebook.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
I think teens may be more privacy savvy than the media paints them. They know that a nasty Tweet about a school official can get them expelled; but a private txt is safe.
- Robert Hafer
How many teens are marketing gurus and life coaches? Kids aren't selling anything and see no need to sell themselves. THAT'S why they don't care about Twitter.
- Kimber Scott
Robert: it is worse than that. One message can get them shunned.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Just like my older friends, they have no desire to connect with the Twitter-verse at large. But for different reasons.
- Robert Hafer
I've been looking for the point for a long time :O) - To me it has become a place where I can "vocalize" things I've always just said to myself before. I just find it funny anyone actually "listens"
- Bill Rawlinson
I think its good that teens don't like twitter. We can get on here without them!
- Su Butcher
As a teenager I didn't see the point of reading a newspaper either, but now I work in one!
- | Balu |
I don't have any friends, so I'm forced to write for the world.
- Big K
Interns in my office say they know college friends starting to use Twitter. Of course, none of the interns actually do. Twitter seems to be good for celebrities and professional networking.
- Hutch Carpenter
What's the big deal ? Most teens don't follow current events like politics or the economy either, it's not what being a kid is about.
- Doug Randall in SL
So that means he will like Google Wave? = the next Teen Twitter
- Hans Kainz
We can't say that Google Wave is the next Twitter, it's more instant messaging than anything (and I'd say FriendFeed relates more to it than Twitter does).
- Hugh Isaacs II
I do deeply hope that Google Wave takes off. I really hate signing into my msn account just to keep in touch with friends who can't get on the GTalk bandwagon or just don't see the point.
- Chris Chua
I think if you could start a conversation like this one on twitter just like on ff or fb with commenting tweets or just parsing them when you reply, it would be a lot more interesting
- Kaysha
Interesting that the 15 year old kid who got the job at Morgan Stanley did so because his mum knew a chap who she met when dog walking - so not what he knew but who his mum knew, and because of that he had an audience for his opinion.
- Simon Rogers
Wrote a post about this a long time ago. Interaction will scale down as the possibilities to interact scale up. The next gen doesn't care about talking to the whole world. There is little value in it
- Alexander van Elsas
from iPhone
Just blogged on this subject. I don't believe this is a generational issue. It's about privacy and signal:noise ratio. When those degrade, communities migrate to new social networking services, regardless of group members' average age. http://lehawes.wordpress.com/2009...
- Larry Hawes
Nothing wrong with Plaxo... I like the platform. But pissed at them today for charging my account for the yearly deal w/o offering me the option to cancel it first. Grrr.
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
still have nightmares of getting annoying Plaxo email updates from collegues that didn't know any better...checking the site out now though. Have they grown up to be less annoying?
- Sean Montgomery
Robert, wait 'til you get your hands on what I'm playing with this evening! (Some very cool future features that make Plaxo *way* more useful to professionals.
- John McCrea
Nothing against per se Robert, just don't see it as viable anymore. I have used if for it's contact syncing but with Gmail and the sort I guess I just see it as old news
- Sean E Brown
Chuckles... like life syncing. I think Plaxo got a bad rap a few years ago, but it's come a long way - started re-importing contacts about a month ago with the same goal - think Plaxo could be a good way to unify networks and contacts.
- Carol Lynn Martens
I might add I have not used it some time.
- Sean E Brown
I suppose it'd be embarrassing to admit that I don't know what plaxo is?
- Brett Kelly
Brett: it's a couple of things. First, it's an aggregator like FriendFeed. Second, it's a place where you can back up your contacts, tasks, and calendars. I'm sure it does more, but that's enough for now.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, I thought Plaxo was dead for awhile. I guess I better check it out again.
- Thao Ly
Personally I like using Plaxo for syncing and back up of contacts. Just wish more of my contacts would join and/or keep info up to date. Now if they just had a cool over air app for iPhone... that would be sweet!
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
What does plaxo offer that FriendFeed + Google does not? I suppose I could look...
- Brett Kelly
I've been using Plaxo for at least a year now to keep my Outlook, iCal, Apple Address Book, and iPhone in synch (for free). It's also nice to have all of my contacts backed up in the cloud. I've had no issues and those annoying emails are ancient history.
- Mike Doeff
I used Plaxo for contact / calendar sync'ing a couple of years ago, but I found myself having to go through a manual process to reset the sync every two weeks - has it gotten more reliable since then? I was and am on a Mac.
- Jason Clarke
A lot of people love FiendFeed... I have not used it as much, but dig the interface. A lot of people have moved from Twitter to this. Here is cool though because you can connect all your other "feeds" such as LinkedIn, twitter, facebook, flickr and more. Also, a lot of folks will post here to keep a subject on track like Robert Scoble. Keeps the convo nice and neat. Give it a try, you may like it.
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
He was the ad guy at Yahoo. So, Broback asked him what Twitter is going to do with advertising.
- Robert Scoble
He thought of customers at Yahoo as partners. "We are at a stage where nothing has been ruled out and we don't have any bias in any one direction."
- Robert Scoble
He says that once in a while in the tweet stream they see something that looks like an ad. Oh, you mean like, "host your website on Rackspace?" ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Nice Robert. Too bad there are no links in FF comments.
- τorƍue
Now getting to some meat, hopefully. "We haven't been that unique and worthwhile for [commercial users]."
- Robert Scoble
There's lots of interesting things they could do, he says, around how they filter things that come in.
- Robert Scoble
Categories, types of businesses. Ahh, they ARE thinking about how to get onto Google's table. Do a search for "Palo Alto Sushi" on Google. Now imagine how a list like that could be used by Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Broback is asking about StockTweets and is wondering if more of those kinds of vertical services are coming.
- Robert Scoble
Anamitra is talking about mining Twitter for, say, airline fare data. Looking to solve consumer problems with commercial data.
- Robert Scoble
"We can't do all of them," in regard to all the cool stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Next 12 months: "what is not on the roadmap is a TV show."
- Robert Scoble
I think the automation market is huge. One page, 10 Tweet addresses, does 10 different things for you when you follow them. No messaging, just automate parts of your life as it relates to that organization.
- Chad Harris
He didn't give many specifics on roadmap, though.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter needs online grouping like Friend Feed so 3rd party apps auto update (like tweetdeck and seesmic desktop) if you are away from your PC, or PC dies, all your groups are gone.
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
Darin: it's clear that Twitter is going to add that, or something similar, soon. The Twitter team yesterday said they are working on something that will solve that problem.
- Robert Scoble
Now talking about demand generation, aka Dell's Twitter account that sells millions of dollars worth of equipment.
- Robert Scoble
Curious to know how much value they're putting on Apps and Enterprise markets.
- phil baumann
phil: sounds like a lot. That's where @anamitra sees the early money.
- Robert Scoble
idea for twitter grouping (mostly for twitter clients for now, could be stored on twitter.com later via api) : opml import/export of groups.
- Sylvain Carle
Ahhh, he finally got the small business religion I've been preaching. Says that small businesses, like a cookie shop, need to be able to tell their customers things in real time "new batch of cookies is ready."
- Robert Scoble
Broback is talking about a bakery that already has a machine that Tweets when the bread is done. Also there's a device that you can put in your plant bed to Tweet when they need water.
- Robert Scoble
Even simple stuff. "Click here and we will message your wife with some Men are from Mars crappolla twice a week and message you what wonderful things you said to her to cover you when you come home" We are too busy to even tell people we love them, who is to say auto messaging is insensitive?
- Chad Harris
the small business thing is huge, in our part of the world it would be nothing short of a revolution for them
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Agree with the small biz angle...but how to monitize that? what service/facilitation would Twitter provide me that I'd pay for. What can Premium Twitter provide me that Free Twitter can't?
- phil baumann
I agree with @thomasknoll: IMHO Customer Service *is* Marketing #140tc This is the secret sauce at my employer.
- Robert Scoble
He says that lots of Twitter team members have worked on services that have grown very fast and Twitter is faster growing than they've seen in previous jobs.
- Robert Scoble
Social Media has not invented conversations. Customer Service has always been better at conversing with the customer than the marketing department => building relationships is marketing..
- Yann Ropars
@jasonp107: Show of hands at #140tc reveals most of the room went through the "twitter bounce" - join, but don't really USE until later. (Yup, I got in in November of 2006 but really didn't use it until March of 2007).
- Robert Scoble
Darin, sorry, no streaming. Bandwidth here is really bad.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe Twitter should buy Yammer to get a decent premium offer.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Steve: things like data about engagement for brands, or sentiment, etc.
- Robert Scoble
They should define a "business" as anyone with over 5000 followers or something. These are the people using Twitter to monetize their own stuff, so Twitter should monetize them in return.
- Keith Fulton
What services could Twitter sell that are already not being sold or are free with other services?
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
will they sell vanity urls? Oh, wait...Twitter gives those out for free. So what features?
- Jerry Chacon
Keith, he says that's not an easy question. He says that they can separate out people who are using Twitter for commecial purposes.
- Robert Scoble
Use an Amazon affiliate URL, get sent to the penalty box!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Think he is right on advertising, look at Open Table IPO, 30% above the IPO price last week, pay per head not pay per view with the business picking up the tab could be the right model. Online ads will get flat with actionable metrics paid by companies that are not tied to ads should be huge but will be a beast to program for companies. Middleware programmers will clean up in this big new shift.
- Chad Harris
I think media outlets who for instance use a # for a specific show could be charged for it? There are lots of ways that # could be used (and also abused/spammed)
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
Jerry: the data set that Twitter has is quite interesting. That was pretty much the theme of the conference. Lots of developers here are studying the data. One developer last night bragged to me that he has 800 million rows in his dataset. That's the new status. How many millions of rows can you push into Slicehost!
- Robert Scoble
I have an idea for the monetization guy --- Don't sell out to the "celebrities" and auto-recommend people for new accounts because they have paid. The people that really use social media aren't idiots and we don't want our computers to be full of TV and Radio ads. If you put ads in front of our faces, we will go somewhere else. Old media is DEAD!!!
- T.S. Elliott
T.S.: agreed. I think that's why Twitter is so resistant to advertising models.
- Robert Scoble
How will twitter differentiate itself from other twitter search / data miners out there?
- Jerry Chacon
T.S. the one that's really going to clean up here is Google, anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: he says they don't have much revenue yet. Almost none.
- Robert Scoble
Given the focus on revenue, won't Twitter now charge google for access to the data + metadata?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: The thing that FB has that TW doesn't is lots of closed groups -- you said so yourself -- so in the mining game, FB has an advantage over everyone else. TW doesn't seem to have the same kind of advantage. Which causes me to wonder if the only thing left is a Netgravity-esk feature of targeting ads based on some sort of deep algorithm.
- Jerry Chacon
Jerry: easy. They have the full dataset. Everyone else only has pieces.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I'm not sure about that. Pre-acquisition, Summize had a full set.
- Jerry Chacon
Mike: I asked that and he answered that he doesn't know what kind of partnerships Twitter will work on with the search data.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: translation: if they are working on such a deal with Google they aren't willing to talk about it yet.
- Robert Scoble
Re: Ads not working. People respond well to Entertaining content that advertises. It can be done. I welcome good ads on twitter.
- Ian Wright
from BuddyFeed
So what does this TW guy think of the conversation that has cropped up here on FF in just over a minute?
- Jerry Chacon
Jerry: yup, Facebook has many advantages Twitter doesn't. Twitter has advantage over Facebook, though. A larger public dataset and a brand that's white hot. Plus developers are building lots of cool stuff because Twitter is more open with its dataset (Facebook only lets developers store data for 24 hours).
- Robert Scoble
Ian, wouldn't a "good ad that entertains" be exactly what Twitter wants - a thoughtful brand that is using metadata to focus responses to active folks
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jerry, I haven't shown him what I'm doing here yet. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Chacon - he probably thinks "the Twitter API is awesome!"
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Off to work for me...thanks for the conversation guys.
- Jerry Chacon
hehe - ask him if we can pay to have all of our past twitter posts available instead of some arbitrary limit based on good the database is feeling today ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jerry: I think this is what Twitter has to get right, facillitating the conversation. Now it is to much seperate messages shooting around, if you pass the 75 friends or more.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Ruud: That's where FF blows Twitter out of the water.
- Jason Hansen
He corrected me and said "I'm not the monetization guy, I'm just a PM."
- Robert Scoble
so does he know anything then and what does he think of FF?
- Thomas Power
Are there any particular feature sets they are waiting for (outside) developers to write?
- τorƍue
robert - will they offer third party devs a chance to inject metadata back into the stream and share in the revenue?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
And his project is to manage monetization right? :)
- lisa padilla
BTW... anyone know how Seesmic & Tweetdeck plan to "monetize" ?
- MarkHirsch
Mark - Loic has mentioned a couple items already publicly, but yes we are looking into multiple ways to monetize
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mark: I'm sure those applications will have a paid version later on. Tweetdeck is still in beta, not sure about Seesmic as I don't use it.
- Jason Hansen
Mike & Jason... thanks... sorry for getting a little off topic..
- MarkHirsch
It still seems like a pay-to-post model for very large posters is the most obvious way to monetize to me. They are the ones getting monetary value from their posts. What is hard to define about that? Or is it that those people (Oprah, Ashton) are the ones creating the buzz about Twitter and we don't want to drive them away now that they are big?
- Keith Fulton
Business accounts could work just like Facebook fan pages except they'd be paid to access. For instance - bulk mail all of your followers a full-length message...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Hardaway - what's so bad about that? You can always unfollow people who have premium accounts if they spam you.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
I'm really curious to see what comes out of this data that's valuable to businesses. In my feed, I only see a really small percentage of Tweets relating to a particular business or customer service need. And those businesses tend to fall into a somewhat small niche of websites, entertainment (music/movies), Apple and telecom complaints.
- blake
I tried mosso a while back. Horrible horrible admin interface - always had errors. I switched to slicehost and it's great. Now Rackspace bought slicehost and I just pray/hope/sacrifice chickens they don't mess it up like they did with mosso.
- Pierre
i've been with mosso since march and would be happy to speak with anyone considering the service - it's MUCH better in the last couple of months - but there are some limitations to consider
- Allen Stern
I did the free month trial at mosso. During that period, they changed the pricing model twice and the number of sites involved would have made it complex to deal with. Pierre says and I agree the interface for admin was awful. Not talking looks , talking wasting time.
- randulo
Mosso is good for basic sites, but if you have some more complicated functions you might find their limitations frustrating. For example I had a 3 million record database they simply couldn't import easily (I had to do it remotely over a few days, what I could have done in about an hour had I had command line capabilities). Support is good for basic stuff, but I've gotten a few RTFM replies (which meant they didn't know either). Still, it's a good deal for many users--a bit easier than S3 I think.
- Andrew Leyden
some stuff is just too painful without ssh
- randulo
I haven't looked at them yet, but every time I look at someone else I end up back at Amazon mostly due to price.
- Jesse Stay
Just migrated to Mosso and so far, I'm enjoying it.
- Eric D. Brown
The case is opposite with me. You are subscribed to my friendfeed but not a follower in twitter. Although there is no reason why should follow me. :)
- Ramkarthik
http://twitter.com/vmlemon, although I don't know if I'm that interesting/meet your exacting criteria, for what it's worth... (Although you were following me here on FriendFeed, last I checked).
- Tyson Key
Tyson: yup, I am following you here.
- Robert Scoble
I'm more willing to follow people on FriendFeed, myself. I'm thinking of unfollowing anyone who is neither an IRL friend nor a big idea person on Twitter, and perhaps creating imaginary versions of them here (for those not already using FF).
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Thanks for the link to your great video, Robert. It should be required viewing for all FF newbies. So the key here is that you regularly follow 200 rather than many thousands. That's still high, but it is in the realm of the possible (sorta).
- V Mary Abraham
Does each of those growth segments matter as much as Twitter though? I think not. But it gives an interesting perspective.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
You mean they're adding "small countries" every 10 days ;)
- Dana Fosburgh
Twitter is for bloggers (@ this time...). Facebook is for people. Why? Most people will never have a blog. And that's okay!
- Catholic Meme
Agree, Fransisco. HUGE difference between a subscriber and a user.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
how many of the users twitter users that join are real people and not spammers. & the same with facebook.
- James Bayliss
Twitter is for bloggers? Nah, I don't think that's true. Many people use it via mobile for simple communications. Some of them have no clue about this whole blog thing.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
WOW those growth stats are mind numbing....impressive!!!
- Susan Beebe
I can see this happening. Some of my friends and family that a few years ago I never imagined would even get internet access, much less join a social network are now signing up for Facebook. This includes the ones that are concerned with privacy.
- Allen Blair
Twitter is for everybody. Facebook and blogs aren't. <-- the secret to Twitter's success!
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
My husband was talking with his 70+ yo mom last night about FB. Her sister is on, updating status and playing scrabble. It's a great way to keep family members engaged, in addition to the many business applications.
- Cheryl Smith
More and more of the "normal" people I know in real life are joining FB. None of them have ever heard of Twitter.
- Andy Roth
6 Million users a day? You have got to be kidding? That is not per month?
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
Meh. Short term statistics are nice, but especially when talking about growth you need to consider product life-cycles and exogenous trend-changing events.
- David Wynn
from fftogo
all the more amazing given Facebook has 140 million subscribers. They're growing into the non-techie Mainstream now.
- Pete Steege
Facebook usually talks in terms of active users (users who have returned to the site in the last 30 days). And keep in mind, there is almost nothing t do on facebook unless you are regeistered. That helps explain why in the past, their active user numbers have been pretty close to comscore's estimates of their monthly uniques.
- Erik S
People's myopia is funny. The techie crowd was never a hugely important audience for Facebook (or even myspace). Both really caght fire by appealing to a generation who grew up with the Net. Probably 90% of the entering class of my alma mater was on Facebook before even a quarter of my techie friends were. That myopia may also cause people to miss progress of techie darlings into the mainstream. Google insights suggests that interest in Twitter has spread well beyond typical tech centers in the past year
- Erik S
I think that line is from "It's A Wonderful Life".
- Kevin Leroux
Are "twitters" contagious? Will I get one if I share a drink on Facebook?
- Marla
Facebook is such as hugely different crowd for me-- even diff't than linkedIn too. I mix it all together, but one needs to be in more than one place these days
- Doug Haslam
from twhirl
I find very few techies on FB. It is way more social and a lot less network, too "cutesy" than ever with little icons and way too much trivia to wade through. Broadcast vs.cable, again.
- Phil Boiarski
I would love to see a visualization of the data over time. Based on the 600K per day, they have added the entire population of New York City and Philadelphia in December.
- Rob Diana
Soon Facebook will have to sponsor a breeding program to keep their growth rate up. As a stick they can say have 3 babies or we'll suspend your account. As a carrot, well that doesn't seem necessary.
- Todd Hoff
Its still WAY cleaner than the MySpace nightmare zone!
- Eric Rost
Echo'ing Erik & Phil. My techie college friends are barely on FB...
- Mitchell Tsai
imo, Twitter will surpass Facebook over time in number of active users. Eventually it will be the preferred social networking platform that people will use as a starting point to other svcs. The former is simple as google and allows much more opportunities to engage w/people from all stripes vs the latter..
- Lee Hsieh
I'm not bored, I got buzz out loud to listen to, and several other podcasts I need to get through tonight. Not to even mention all the Rocketboom shows I need to watch.
- Colide81 (James)
Naw. I'm here. Fading. It's 3:09AM, after all. : )
- Chris Brogan
Oh, and when you mention Gummi Bears, I think of Hedwig and the Angry Inch. Anyone else see it?
- Chris Brogan
It's 1:10 here in SLC and I'm working on an SMP for my company and testing out Twhirl for the first time.
- Josh
Been playing Rock Band and Lego Indiana Jones on 360 in San Leandro. First time with both - now I'm interested in Rock Band 2 and Lego Batman (3 weeks!)
- Pete Delucchi
from fftogo