I only seem to use it when twitter is down. A better iPhone app might bring me around more often more "reader" like features (ie, let me add feeds and info that only I see like my google reader subscriptions and all of the tweets from my account on twitter)
- Scott Watermasysk
If it's not on friendfeed, I'm not interested, Thomas. :)
- Alex Scoble
Best ignore those that think they know what is going on and preach about it.
- CW™
Uhh oh, don't I act like that sometimes, CW? *goes and cries in a corner*
- Alex Scoble
Your a scoble.. I don't think you can help it. ;) But you back up your statements, allow others the chance to change your mind and not go off to a Ashram and sulk when people complain about you. ;)
- CW™
People are complaining about me? *goes and cries in a corner*
- Alex Scoble
You mean yesterday's news Arrington ??? Or today's embargo Arrington?
- David HC Soul
I just read Arrington's post and commented via FriendFeed (not to make any philosophical point, but because I'm on an older mobile phone right now using fftogo). While I had some quibbles, the fact remains that there are far fewer FriendFeed users than there are Facebook users. Then again, there are far fewer Twitter users than Facebook users, so simplicity isn't everything...
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
The word I heard him use was "nobody", not "fewer", "nobody"...Perhaps I'm wrong though...either way, I don't care. I find friendfeed to be eminently more entertaining and useful than Twitter or Facebook.
- Alex Scoble
I'm going with Scoble, and betting on this horse. This new UI is just a thing of beauty. This is how it should be. They're the ones who've found the Grail Castle. This is it right here. I'm just loving it.
- Web Nex
Here. But off to bed soon. Back later. G'nite, FF.
- Lisa L. Seifert
Love the new beta. Really nice job to Team FF!
- Marc Chung
Wow, a whole ~120 people ... over 5 hours. I used to play on MUDs 10+ years ago with more simultaneous users. FF is 98% Scoble-hype noise, 2% RSS crawling.
- Dossy Shiobara
@bec rowe - fine, I'll be generous, suppose there's a whole ORDER OF MAGNITUDE more users, 10x or 1,200 ... this is a big deal? Most major IRC networks each have 60k+ concurrent users and that's tech that's 15+ years old now.
- Dossy Shiobara
for such a "new and improved" UI, why do I have to scroll ALL the way back up to click the "comment" link? what, did none of the UX people think "gee, putting it at the bottom of the list of comments would be a good idea"?
- Dossy Shiobara
seriously, people, stop being sheep. FF is cute but it's a pet rock.
- Dossy Shiobara
Exactly -- I come here to escape from Facebook and when I want more conversation than Twitter :) Sheep we are not. ;)
- Mona Nomura
I have 3 tabs locked into the first three positions of my always-open Firefox window: Google Reader, Gmail and you guessed it... FriendFeed.
- Brooks Bishop
Absolutley! Great aggregator, but have to use Twirl or other app at work
- Jonathan Decker
from twhirl
Who the hell is Michael Arrington, and why should I give two tugs of a dead dog's cock what he thinks?
- Steven Perez
damn you steven perez... speak ya mind for a change!!! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Perez: Some meatbag with an overblown sense of self importance
- Mo Kargas
Arrington is a Web 1.0 dinosaur trying to make himself relevant still by being Jerry Springer without the entertainment value.
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
Just to note: I know damn well who Arrington is. He's that meatsack whose website couldn't hold its load for a few hours. But I'm serious about not caring what he thinks.
- Steven Perez
that's r scoble too mo... ooops I'll get bashed! :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
something tells me THIS proves how little he uses this place ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
That's OK, I get the sense that most people here couldn't care less. :) We use friendfeed because we like it, not because some A-Lister that doesn't even participate here thinks we should or shouldn't.
- Alex Scoble
Shouldn't this be on a TC post since all those comments will be sucked into the blog itself?
- coldbrew
agreed alex, if you watch your brother's video of the pre-beta walk through from last weekend, mike was there, engaged and asked good questions of bret and paul, but then he goes off and belittles ff & those using it - immature or trollish not sure which it is...
- mike "glemak" dunn
But Alex.. your bro is a supposed A-lister...
- Rob Sellen :o)
dunn: Arrington is providing feedback. I'm sure team-FF can handle it.
- coldbrew
yeah the feedback he provides is..."the worse way to use friendfeed" :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
My brother also participates here a lot, so when he says something is great or sucks here he has some authority...certainly a lot more authority on the subject than you know who.
- Alex Scoble
i am and its soo much better. Tell mike the tech rumors are better here, too.
- Roberto Bonini
my head hurts. || button is my friend
- Todd Randolph
Right on Alex! To enhance what I said yesterday, FriendFeed is the "coolest app" to consume information on the Internet and interact with smart people.
- Eric Berlin
Nah, I never use FriendFeed. FriendFeed uses me! Don't ask.
- Brad Butner
from twhirl
*rolls eyes* Outlandish statements are how Arrington moves the space. It doesn't matter how the space moves, as long as it moves, then Arrington can remora off it. He doesn't care who wins or how his little bombs affect anyone, just as long as it moves somewhere. He's like a weapons dealer who foments the extension of wars so he can sell the weapons to both sides.
- Matthew DeVries
It's Michael Arrington. His ego is the size of the Sun and is infinitely expanding like the universe. All I hear is "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah."
- Zach Flauaus
My thread was first and my brother was just being a copycat. First!
- Alex Scoble
Put both threads in a room, and similpost in both. The power of the exponent!
- Matthew DeVries
yep, that Scoble is a copycat !! :)-
- Peter Dawson
I think the only way to settle this is with a good old fashioned slap fight. Or a drinking contest... Either way we need video of it.
- Joe Pierce
But I said "First!" That's the internet beat down right there.
- Alex Scoble
more comments than likes? how can that be... you commenter's who have yet to like...like.. and those who have yet comment...comment..and like ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm down with FreindFeed. My usage has skyrocketed since the beta launch.
- Tim
Very big deal! We are having 11 people over because we have big screen TVs and HD. It's a day for hot wings, pizza, beer, chips and dip etc... The commercials are a must watch also.
- BEX
It's a huge deal, yeah. But I don't care about sports, so I won't be watching. Unless I flip over to see the commercials. And these days, you can catch the best ones on YouTube later anyway.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I have no idea about it, either. You're not alone in that regard.
- Tyson Key
BEX, that's what I gather, for me it seems the commercials are 1. more worthy of watching that the Super Bowl and 2. Actually worthy watching in the first place - lots of trailers??
- Kol Tregaskes
I still remember NPR about 10 years ago: "The Cowboys of Dallas, in what apparantley is their championship..." Because football is normally beneath NPR reporting subjects.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I always wondered why Americans got so hyped up about ti, seems cool though ^_^
- Gordon Swaby
I'm not! Already watched the commercials a couple of days ago. I have no interest in the game.
- Jeff P. Henderson
It will be background noise. I will probably not do much "watching."
- Martha
It begins in just over 2 hrs. My tv is a head twist to the right from my monitor. Sometimes i will sit in front of the TV but not often.
- Russellreno
Is that today. It must be Super Monday. Keep us poor souls in Australia informed. I don't even know who is playing. Updates on commercials pls.
- Chris Loft
It's BIG...The HAND EGG Championship of the WORLD. It's kinda like the World Cup for the rest of the world. Go Cardinals!!
- Larry Lewis
Never heard of it. Some kind of tenpin championship, perhaps?
- Andrew Terry
If a team I'd ever supported were playing I'd stay up for it. The best bits (half time and the crazy ads) usually end up on YouTube the day after. That'll do me fine.
- ilene
from twhirl
The irony here is those who're the watchers will not be answering to this post
- sofarsoShawn
It's a huge deal, but it's boring as hell and takes forever to finish. The parties , food, and commercials are the only actual fun parts. With TiVo or DVR, it's real easy to skip the so-called action, and just watch the fun parts.
- Dave Roth
I am not watching, still in Davos, flying home in a few hours.
- Robert Scoble
I am also not watching the Superbowl today. About the watch the President speak, then getting ready to go for a 2-hour, 14-mile run. I may watch a little of the end of the game, if I remember it's on...
- Rob McNair-Huff
I'm not a big sports person.. I have tried and attempted to watch sports, american football was a snooze fest for me because of all the stopping and starting instead of fluid action. About the closest I get to interest in a sport is WWE, but that's cause it's more a fusion of action and bad 80's soap operas, even down to the outfits and hair! ;)
- alphaxion
Not watching it. Not even for the ads - I'm sure I'll see the best of them online anyways. Last year I went to the movies, but sadly there's nothing playing I want to catch this year. So I'm planning on just going out to dinner at a non-a-sports-bar restaurant and then coming home and watching a DVD with the girlfriend tonight.
- Eric P
If this is the sum total of weekend FF usage, FF must really be saving on the bandwidth bills ;)
- Roberto Bonini
here for now then taking kids to sneak preview of Space Buddies and then off to 12U basketball game and then 12U winter baseball practice
- Alan Simpson
I'll be here for a little while. Then I'm driving to my mother-in-law's house. There's no broadband where she lives, but I might be able to get back on with my iPhone, assuming AT&T has decided to put a signal there.
- Joey Gibson
Me, but I shouldn't be. I have this offline weekend rule. So don't tell anyone :)
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Me, on and off. Going to watch a movie in a while with my daughter when she's finished tidying her room.
- Nicola Quinn
On and off I imagine. Today I'm watching episodes of Black Books and grinding on an MMO at the same time. Threw open Twhirl to see what's interesting in the world.
- ilene
from twhirl
On and off today as I try to get caught up. That's as likely as Google flagging the whole Internet as malware. Oh wait....
- Kevin C. Tofel
Okay. Someone should come up with a social interactive site that lets people swap houses, then.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I've got wanderlust, so I'll definitely move in a bit. But I move all the time. It's what I do.
- B. Hatin
I love living in LA, but I so desparately want to live someplace else for a couple of years. Preferably out of the country, but a few choices spots in the US would do.
- Anika
Mark, yeah, I'll swap with anyone who lives in New Zealand. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, you won't have a problem there, New Zealand have negative immigration, mostly to Australia but elsewhere as well.
- Amit Morson
Aniaka, I know what you mean. I can think if of few places I would care to live outside of L.A. Most are international too.
- Michael Fidler
I'm very happy where I live right now on the Big Island of Hawaii; can't imagine living anywhere else after this
- Sandra
from twhirl
I'm absolutely pleased at where I live and can't think of anywhere else in the US that I'd trade it for with the exception possibly of San Francisco. But, like Christopher Harley, I chose this city and moved here.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm happy in America, but not in Maryland. I would like to move home to Kentucky. I would, however, move to London for a while if I got the chance
- Alan Simpson
i wouldn't mind moving out of this country and going to europe or south america (again)
- Cee Bee
Deliberately misleading, anti-American headline. The survey was not about America, it was about the the city, state or region of the country where people live currently. It does not mention people wanting to leave the U.S. at all. Disgusting how many people immediately jump on the "America sucks" bandwagon - feel free to move somewhere else if that's the way you feel.
- Rob Sterling
why is everything so...anti american, pro american??? you people make me laugh.
- Rob Sellen :o)
I love DC. I loved LA and wish it was near me, but I am happy where I live
- Shevonne
Shevonne - what part of DC? Actual city or an outlying area?
- Alan Simpson
I'd like to live some place other than Texas, in fact, many places in the U.S. are preferable to Texas.
- Trish R
Fairfax. Tell me that I finally found a DCer here
- Shevonne
Sure. I would like to move to Delaware, where taxes are lower than in New Jersey.
- Morton Fox
OMG, both Robs, where did you guys read in this thread that "America sucks"?
- Anika
@Shevonne - I live in the DC/Baltimore suburbs - Right next to Ft Meade in Odenton, MD
- Alan Simpson
I've always said there are only 2 places in the US I'd live .. in N. VA where friends and family live or in L.A. Now that I've been in L.A. for a bit, kind of thinking I may go back to VA. People tell me I should venture to other places but as much as I've liked other cities none of them really call to me.
- ♥patricia♥
Frankly I'd like to give Madrid a try for awhile. And you can't wave Bush at me anymore saying "don't leave us now, with HIM!"
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Well of course, we always have something to complain about. Nothing is ever good for us or meets our standards.
- "Joey"
I was about to say, half the world wants to move to america so let's have a swap. On a more serious note though, there is a willingness to relocate in the US that you dont have in many other places.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
My ex couldn't wait to move out of this area. He would spend all his time badmouthing the city and state and fantasizing about other places to live. The thing is, I don't think he'd be happy anywhere. And I love living in Virginia Beach. After spending the first 12 years of my life moving, this is my first and only real hometown.
- Ladybug Heather
Amit, really? Why move to Australia? It's too hot there. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Spidra, Ireland would be a nice place to live, definitely. I wouldn't live in UK if I had the option though.
- Kol Tregaskes
I grew up in the midwest and was in IL, WI or MN fup until I moved to England a decade ago. I moved because I was marrying a Brit, but I learned a LOT about the places I'd always lived in simply by exposing HIM to them. I spent most of my life in a suburb of Chicago and never really appreciated it until HE was telling me what a beautiful place it is and how he thought Chicago was one of...
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- ilene
from twhirl
Spidra, really, that's very surprising (about Ireland). :-( I'd say definitely give it another go.
- Kol Tregaskes
A couple of years ago I would've moved out of the US in a heartbeat. Now I'm perfectly happy in LA - guess I just needed a bigger city to play in. But if I had a good opportunity to move to a different country, I'd probably say yes out of pure wanderlust.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Well why don't these people spend more time making wherever they live a better place instead of complaining about it, moving, and then continuing to do nothing in their new place of residence? How do people expect to receive so much if they contribute so little?
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
Once again, Devlin, like the Robs before you it seems you've jumped to conclusions. Where did you get that people weren't dong anything in their communities or were complaining about where they currently lived?
- Anika
I live in Hotels, a crash pad in Atlanta, and in West Palm. Oh and out of my luggage. So yea just living in one place would be nice.
- Brandy Lea
It's very easy to blame your life on where you live, but with few exceptions there are always positive things to be found wherever you're at, and yes, the grass is always greener. If you start getting into the political systems, that's another ball game entirely.
- Ian May
Not sure if you were directing that at me, Spidra, but you're right,there are all sorts of reasons why people move. I've lived in quite a few different places, and different countries too. I think you've got to make somewhere home, to know for certain if you could really call it home, and I've also found that a place you really did call home, often isn't anymore when you go back there.
- Ian May
Ai! El Devlin me ha pillado! Voy a escondeme! Et puis, le bloq. C'est pas grave.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
This is my default. Different password for every site and let firefox do the remembering (not the highly sensitive passwords though).
- EricaJoy
Thanks for this - personally I have a password db but I run a forum with a lot of inexperienced people who get their accounts taken over and then say 'But it's too HARD to remember a better password! It's not MY fault they stole my account!' This is something I'll be passing on to them.
- ilene
YES, this is a huge element of online ID security
- Susan Beebe
my tip is creating a diff password for every site by adding the name of the site somewhere in the password itself.
- sean808080
Totally agree. Even people with a lot of followers post tripe sometimes. I'm not interested in digging through the remotely related stuff the ones with more followers have said to find what I'm looking for.
- ilene
from twhirl
todd: why would it? Number of followers is totally irrelevant. It doesn't show anything other than that twitterer is popular. In fact it would decrease the relevancy of most tweets. It should NEVER be applied globally and even if you could study it in a micro way it probably introduces more noise than it's worth. There are far better ways to find the most authoritative tweets.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not at all interested in the total number of retweets or likes. Why do I build up a social network? Because these are the people I trust, so I would be much more interested in a search which considers my preferences in the past (people I follow, people I share likes and comments) to a much higher degree than other random peoples likes.
- Peter Hoffmann
Peter: right. The people you follow are much more important. But the people following you? Irrelevant.
- Robert Scoble
The Number of Followers couldn't be included for the simple fact that in an infinite universe where anything can happen, the number of followers could affect the results in a bad way. The number could get so big that you end up messing up the system. Might not be probable, but true
- Tyler (Chacha)
@Peter, but if people you follow got their tweets retweeted/liked, wouldn't you like that to be at the top?
- Tyler (Chacha)
Authority and popularity are most definitely not the same. So, it depends what one is actually trying to find. If finding authoritative information is the goal, then one search strategy and set of parameters is required. On the other hand, if the underlying goal is enhancing the scope of one's broadcast outlet, then Loic's strategy and priorities seem to be correct. Ultimately, there's no right or wrong answer, just depends on what you are actually trying to achieve.
- Michael Krigsman
Chacha: what does what you just asked have ANYTHING to do with the number of followers you have? It doesn't. But I like your idea.
- Robert Scoble
I can settle for being off-topic and having a good idea :P
- Tyler (Chacha)
Nice post. Your example about supply chain management was good. For something about Seesmic, you would be first and not Loic, if twitter follows what he says.
- Ramkarthik
Followers could be mapped to inbound links, which is a part of pagerank and can be gamed etc. The system has to be smart enough handle gaming in any case. Inbound links is an indirect measure of quality for the page. So since FriendFeed is mentioned frequently by you and you have a number of followers it seems reasonable to infer you should be higher in the search results. Pick another subject where your keywords/categories are less dense over time, like politics, and I would sort you lower.
- Todd Hoff
I love twitter/friendfeed and the like because I don't have to care about 1 particular person - the communities as a whole tend to bring me what I need. I wake up each morning and clear my tweetdeck "all feed" and just go from there. The creme rises - it's not like blogging. It just comes to me and the more I follow, the better content I get....
- George Smith
Why does any search on Twitter have to include identity metadata? If I want information in Chinese Supply chain management, do I really care who the information comes from, as long as it is accurate and verifiable? Loic and Arrington are just creating another popularity contest.
- Bob Blunk
Bob: I disagree. @liamcasey's information on the Chinese Supply Chain is going to be a lot more accurate and verifiable than mine will be.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, it think that what is relevant is for me to decide when I am performing the search. I am looking at this from a user standpoint. When I google "chinese supply chain", I don't add @liamcasey to the search string. And neither do I expect to see his tweets as the only result for the search.
- Bob Blunk
Bob: no one is saying his tweets should be the only one. It's just that you should be able to look at it through the metadata. His tweets on the topic will probably get retweeted more than mine, for instance, and also thanks to http://www.peoplebrowsr.com I can tag him as expert on Chinese Supply Chain, so shouldn't that bias the results when you search for Chinese Supply Chain tweets?
- Robert Scoble
this is certainly a problem with Twitter search from the beginning, I don't care about the popularity contest behind the search rankings, I only want accurate information.
- Bob Blunk
regardless of how comprehensive Twitter search is done, I hope that Twitter is not behind it. An independent company needs to design the search and peoplebrowsr would be my choice.
- Bob Blunk
There is also getting inside of a firestorm like the last couple of days for me, although keeping even a percentage of the traffic is going to be hard now the storm is subsiding. Any advice on that one?
- Ian D. Nock
from twhirl
I love crayons...everyone should have a big box of them! I love great blogs like Louis' ... everyone should LINK to and COMMENT IN blogs they love!
- Internet Strategist
@Thomas: I often miss floppy disks, they were so cute and delicate and it was so easy to destroy them one had to be gentle :)
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
I know someone who still has his old BBS code stored away on his computer. As for the Coleco games... I think I still have them in a box in the basement.
- Nine
I could play Donkey in BASIC for hours when I was a kid. I eventually graduated to Windows 3.1 and could play Solitaire for hours. For the most part I saw computers more related to work than play. Now it's more a symbol of life... disconnect my internet/computer or the coffee maker and I'll die!
- ilene
@ilene: That's the history of computing in games, really - strange you realized they were for work eventually :) Very passionate remark about disconnecting, are not you worried about this dependency?
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Jason: Absolutely true, so many things stay unattended because we are all "busy" online. Like, I still have not sorted out my wedding photos for that perfect album - 2 years after the wedding itself. Shame on me :(
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
BBSs.... loved, loved, loved my BBSs. And I was only 11.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
dbase, Lotus 1-2-3, Wordperfect, Clipper, and some assembly for fun
- Nikos Anagnostou
I once lost myvroadband completely for six months. Only switched the pc on for work and the occasional game.
- Roberto Bonini
It's funny but my computer is pretty useless these days without a net connection. I used to have program for everything, but now we turn to the net.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
oooh! Infocom games! Zork, Hitchhiker's Guide, and such! ... man I miss those.
- Nine
Play wiffle ball, nerf football, or play with Transformers.
- Rodfather
Life was much different without computers. I remember the simple things.. like going outside.
- Rodfather
Learned how to make the Internet up and running :)
- Artemko
BBSs, Desqview, Windows 3.xx, SimCity, C programming, 123, WP, Word
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Browse through CD after CD of shareware games I actually paid for! I'm talking about paying for the SHAREWARE version not buying the full version. What was I thinking?!
- Devon Campbell
Print Shop, tried to figure out programming, games - including one that played 'Flight of the Bumblebee' as the background music. Had an Apple IIE.
- Victoria Plautia
Print Shop was the bomb for making flyers! There has been internet since I started actively using the computer, there just wasn't HTTP yet. I played SimAnts, Telnet to MUDs, Gopher for information, program in Microsoft QuickBasic 10 Print "Alan was here"; 20 Goto 10.
- Alan Le
I suppose a BBS isn't quite the internet, since it was direct dial up... I never knew it without internet, it might have been email and newsgroups and irc, but it was internet
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Thanks to everyone for refreshing our memory, I totally forgot many of the things you mentioned here!
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
We bought them to use for "homework" but all they did was keep us from it. BBS's were kewl. That is where socially networking really began. If you were too poor to call long distance, all your BBS's were local, so think only on a local scale, all your neighboring tech geeks. We had picnics, meetings, all kinds of fun stuff.
- mandyvan
Mandy, that's exactly why I bought my own first computer and it quickly turned out that there are lots of things that are more interesting than homework that it allows one to do.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
I visited my parents this weekend and guess what? They are still using dial-up!!! Can you imagine browsing Gmail or FRF on dial-up? You should either be very-very-very patient person or just close browser and go get drunk :) My notebook seems dead w/o Internet access. It's like having a hammer with no nails to work with.
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Sasha, I know that feeling when you feel your notebook is not worth anything at all without internet :) And it is quite scary when you think of the pace technology is developing: I myself was only able to switch to DCL from dial-up some 3 years ago only and until then we somehow thought dial-up was just fine and spent the whole nights downloading large files. But of course with today's applications I can imagine a frustrated user trying to work with them on a slow connection.
- Svetlana Gladkova
It's just a hype; I think every service got this stuff. Wait a few weeks, maybe month, and nobody remembers. I've seen this in ICQ over a decade ago.
- Uwe Schwarz
Uwe: yeah, I just think it's funny that some people will believe the lamest crap just because it's on the Internet.
- Robert Scoble
I just remember "Wag The Dog": "the war is over, I've seen it on TV". Same story, many people just believe instead of asking.
- Uwe Schwarz
Robert these 13000 people would not know what to do on Friendfeed and leave in less than 5 minutes of signing up.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
this isn't the first or the last group like it, it's a good indicator of which of your friends are morons.
- Richard Lawler
Eldon: I hope I don't have that many idiots following me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
How about emails like these: "Bill Gates/Nokia/whatever will donate <something>, if this message is sent to 1000000 people". When I get something like this from some friend, I get disappointed on him/her...
- Jemm
there are 100 of these groups each week... everyone ignores them (well everyone important anyway ;))
- Thomas
Funny thing is - facebook is probably worth $3.99. Although I notice the French says $3.99 per month which would be a bit steep.
- Matthew Neale
but wait, i thought hotmail was closing the free service unless 2 million people add group Z ?
- Matt Randles
These groups are as old as Facebook itself. All they do is prove: heavy Facebook users = lemmings. :p
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
There will always be a VIP group of sorts... back when Facebook started it looked like early adaptors were joining over there. Then came Twitter, now Friendfeed. If Friendfeed gets too mainstream (if that's possible) I'm wondering what's next.
- David Bisset (sn)
Why would they do that? They are already getting tons of money from sponsors and advertisers. Duh!
- Shevonne
@David: In the Web 2.0 world, there's bound to be something new and already in the works. I wonder what it is too, but I'd be surprised if it's not currently under construction, or even ready to launch.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I wouldn't call them idiots. If they believe it, they believe it. So if it happens are the non-believers idiots? Hmmm
- Bwana ☠
:/... I doubt it will happen. They get enough money from advertising surely.
- ralphsaunders
This was the funniest quote I've seen microblogged in a while! Of course how many of these people use to (or still do) pay for Classmates or Reunion, so naturally they believe this garbage.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Reminds me of the false rumors a few years ago about AOL, Yahoo, and MS planning to charge for email to eliminate spam. Move on - nothing to see here.
- Mike Doeff
It's already 39,265 members in that certain group…
- Daniel Schildt
One thing to notice in this compared to older rumors is the amount of speed people notice it.
- Daniel Schildt
I might join and post something saying "Suckas!"
- Shevonne
40,000 now. Wow. I kind of enjoy the silly little worries of people.
- Daniel Zarick
wow. morons. Everybody knows that friendfeed's not gonna start charging until 2010!
- Jim Hearts FF
These are the same idiots who are worried about being charged per email. I don't think they'd know what to do with friendfeed even if they were invited.
- Mr. Gunn
I wonder how many are over the age 0f 17. How many of voting age are in the group of 13,000.
- Franklin Pettit
I swear that first sentence just made my blood pressure shoot up 20 points. The second sentence rapidly lowered it. I have a few people added who unfortunately take everything forwarded to them as fact. They will never get an invite. This is my hideout from the people who shouldn't be allowed online.
- ilene
Chris, the group is not about pro features. They claim there will be NO free access to FB after Dec 31. Quite a different thing...
- Ray Metzen
And the group has 56,000 members now! Amazing... :(
- Ray Metzen
More than ever… 91,481 members at the moment of writing.
- Daniel Schildt
Google Desktop's integration with Gmail has always been slow and unreliable. The new Gmail gadget for Google Desktop doesn't add your messages to the index, but it's a small version of Gmail's interface that sits in the sidebar. You can read your mail, send replies, star messages, perform searches directly from the gadget.
- Ray Metzen
It's really, really clunky; almost to the point of unusability.
- vijay
It's one of the few big disappointments from Google. I don't have any unusual networking set up, but I can't get this to connect to the internet at all. I can't find any trace of it even attempting to connect to the internet. I'm not alone, but based on other comments, I guess I'm not missing much. I'll stick with my Gmail app in Chrome.
- ilene
I have used the gadget for a few days now and I find it quite useful as a notifier and for quick previews of incoming emails. I didn't see any connection problems, but I agree that there's still lots of room for improvement and in it's current state the gadget is certainly not a replacement for Gmail's web interface or a real email client.
- Ray Metzen
I've only just started using Disqus recently, so it hasn't been an issue yet, but it seems like they're heading down the right track. Hopefully it will be enough - spammer infestations are nasty!
- ilene
I didn't get any DISQUS spam until I switched to WordPress, now I get tons. I think it's an SEO thing, or maybe it's because I wrote a post saying that WordPress improved my SEO and now my site is showing up in some SEO-related search. Frustrating.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Good, I love Disqus and any improvement to the system is always welcome.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
I tried Disqus, but couldn't get feedburner to accept my feed with Disqus turned on. Anyone else having, or not having this issue?
- Bill Sanders
I did not have that issue, Bill. However, I setup Feedburner before I installed Disqus. Have you tried going that route?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I remember when everyone said that I should abandon the comments on my blog in favor of disqus because I hate moderating my own comments so much for spam.
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas: There are 101 reasons to choose DISQUS over other comment systems: Network effects due to a comment network that's bigger than your blog, automatic email reminders and reply by email, avatars, threading, up/down-voting. Ok that's more like 5, but you're shortchanging your blog if you don't have all of those.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Thomas, there is little spam on Disqus vs. real comments. But they do come in batches, and usually on old, once-popular posts.
- Louis Gray
maybe. I worry that spam will be just as bad on disqus, as it is now most of my spam comes in batches on older popular posts. But I have to deal with it every day and now must moderate all comments on my blog. I'm not ready to move my comments to disqus because I have more confidence that Google (i.e. blogger) will be around in the future than disqus. I'd hate to put a lot of effort into disqus like I did with Pownce only to see it gone and all of my blog comments with it gone in the future.
- Thomas Hawk
I understand your concern about the comments disappearing. DISQUS is nice enough to auto-sync comments back to your WordPress blog so that they're never lost but I don't know that they've done that for Blogger.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I agree with Christopher Golda - Getting spam comments for the first time was really exciting, it was an indicator that my blog was beginning to pop up on the radar
- Mauricio Reyes
I´m not that charmed by being spidered.
- Thomas Bøhm
I've seen an uptick in spam recently, and not on old posts...
- Taylor Davidson
Once or twice a week. We have a standing Sunday-afternoon call, and usually something turns up that I want to talk to them about during the week. Or I chat with my dad on Google Chat.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Never to my mom. 4 times a year with my dad. It would be more with him if 1) he was ever home, 2) returned a phone call and 3) didn't talk so damn much.
- Anika
I haven't talked to my mother in years. She is the only person I have blocked on YIM. My dad, for some unknown reason, stopped communicating with me (and my daughter) a little over a year ago, after announcing he was getting married for the 3rd time. It's been a rough year for me. He's one of my favorite people in all this world and someone I admire very much. I can only say that about 5 people that have been a part of my life, and 2 of those are dead.
- April Russo (app103)
A few times a week, we're on really good terms, but they're moving abroad in a couple of years, so I'm making the most of them being around now!
- Vicky
Every week perhaps. Depends. We have a 5 month old baby girl so there´s a lot of reporting.
- Thomas Bøhm
I don't talk to my mom nearly often enough, and I feel guilty for it.
- Joey Gibson
used to be every two weeks (she is 13000miles away, so the phone was expensive), then every week since Dad died, now 2-3 times a week on Skype.
- Bora Zivkovic
I hardly talked to my dad when we lived in the same house. I feel a bit guilty though. We both should try to talk to each other more.
- Derrick
3-7 days a week. i should probably stop that too.
- tiffany
I try to avoid them, but it's hard. The house is big, but not that big and it carries sound well...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
about 4 times a week. my father who's in his early 70's (got his 1st computer last year and since then has turned into a 16year old girl) emails me FWD'd msgs everyday. And hits me up on skype everytime i make myself visible. I thought about getting him an iphone, but i wouldnt be able to afford the text plan. ;)
- Carlos Ayala
Rahsheen, you suck, don't make me come over there
- Denise
Because of money (or lack of it) I've had to move back with my Mum. My Dad passed away in January, it's just my Mum, me and my dog, Kaz. :-) So we speak all the time. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I talk every day with my mom. Family is very important for me.
- Marcel Janus
About every other week on average, usually online. More often if they have *whispers* c-o-m-p-u-t-e-r p-r-o-b-l-e-m-s.
- ilene
from twhirl
Wow! It told me that: More than 99.9 percent of people with the first name Ian are male. Hey! Shoot... let's get this clear... I am not the 0.1% OK?
- Ian May
"1 or less" people with my name, no big surprise there!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
" There are 1 or fewer people in the U.S. named <MY NAME>. The estimates for one or both names are not absolute. There may be fewer people with this name, or none at all."
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
OMG!!! "There are fewer than 1,529 people in the U.S. with the first name Stupid." "There are fewer than 336 people in the U.S. with the last name Blogger."
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
There are 1 or fewer people in the U.S. named Matthew Ernisse. -- I sure hope the or fewer evaluates to false...
- matthew john ernisse
@ Tina I would not be surprised to find out that those 1529 are all employed by the government in some way... Oh, and there's 26 of me out there
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Only one of me in America (and I would say in the whole world)
- Kevin L
Only one of me as well - you can all count your blessings! =)
- ilene
653. (And one of them lives two blocks down the street.)
- John Craft
There are 8,291 people in the U.S. named Andrew Smith... Do I win :) Oh, and I'm in Canada.
- Andrew Smith
There are 1,397 people in the U.S. named Robert Patton.
- RAPatton
I'm the only one with my real name according to this site and Google.
- LogEx
There are 25 people in the U.S. named Adriana Reyes.-- Hmmm... kind of like that =)
- Adriana E. Reyes
Estimated "4 or fewer" - so along with the most famous of our set, now living in London I believe, and one in Sydney Australia I know of, there might be three more in Us alone? Come out, come out where ever you are...
- David HC Soul
There are 148 people in the U.S. named Thomas Hawk.
- Thomas Hawk
There are 37 people in the U.S. named Deborah Schwarz. And yes, it looks like Andrew Smith is the reigning champion so far for the most common name amongst us.
- David Cook
"You say you want my trust and Told me you were leavin'. How am I to know that you won't do it to me? You're tellin' me it's different But what the hell is different If you cheated on him you'll do it to me." - Ginuwine
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I think it depends on the degree of severity. If they did it one time, 10+ years ago, regret it a lot, etc. that would be different than someone who has done it in every single relationship, doesn't think it's a very big deal, etc. It would be case-by-case situation for me, rather than an automatic yes/no thing.
- Rochelle
Just remember . . . not everyone admits to it. Who's to say you won't find someone that has and will never tell you.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
In the past, I would've said HELL TO THE NO, but my ex boyfriend cheated on his ex gf but he never cheated on me. Bottomline: depends.
- Mona Nomura
Past performance is not necessarily a guarantee of future results.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
But if they have cheated on EVERYONE they have dated, then no way
- Shevonne
I would, because I've been that person. There's a big difference between mid-20s Jon in NYC and 21-year-old Jon living in Italy for a couple years. 5 years isn't huge time-wise, but can contain huge personal growth. I would give a person the benefit of the doubt and let him/her fuck it up later.
- Jon Anderson
Might be a good think if they've cheated. It's out of their system and they know the aggro it causes.
- sofiagk
I would, but I would probably be a bit cautious and guarded for a bit. And like others have said, it would also depend on the degree/quantity/timeframe of when the past offense(s) occurred.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Plus you should only say "no" if you never cheated in your life. Not once. Never. Not even a peck. (Which I can safely assume is not the majority of the population, even if its not admitted amongst the nouveau puritans)
- sofiagk
I only cheated once when I was 16 and never did it again. I think sometimes people cheat once and they feel so much guilt that they jut can't imagine causing that hurt to someone again. However, in the case of my ex.....
- Shevonne
Having been the victim of someone who was cheated on, and looking back on that experience, I'd be open-minded enough to let someone who would share that info with me have a chance. But looking back at my POS ex who was just a small, small man (pun intended), I feel for whoever he ends up dating.
- Derrick
There is a difference between someone who cheats and someone who has cheated. Usually, someone who cheats will do it again and probably has other red flags going on. I'm usually willing to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who has cheated, but cheaters never prosper.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
If you're just going to hang, then it shouldn't matter. If you are looking for an actual relationship with this person, then hell no. But then again, I'm in Glen's corner. Haven't dated since I got married, either. ;)
- Helen Sventitsky
I've done it, so it would be lame of me to punish someone for doing what I'd already done....
- Iain Baker
Simple. No. They're clearly going to jump ship if they get a little horney or get a better offer.
- Toby Graham
Toby I beleive you're thinking about it the wrong way round. you should be thinking "there is no better offer out there so if they go it's their loss". Ego has a lot going for it in situations like these. :-)
- sofiagk
This whole conversation is why I don't do closed relationships. Human sexuality is fluid and everyone is a lot happier when they can screw around (with certain relationship-specific boundaries) and not get in trouble for it.
- Sparky, a big deal
Sofia and Sparky showing me the error in my ways!
- Toby Graham
I don't think I would no. Once a cheat always a cheat from my experience.
- Kol Tregaskes
Toby :-) funny. we all deal with stuff like that in different ways. It's interesting to see how different
- sofiagk
I think it will be quite difficult to find anyone who has never ever cheated on any partner... Of course that doen't mean we have to like the fact, but guess we have to accept it.
- Peter Efland
It depends on if they have accepted responsibility for their role in it. If they're trying to excuse it by blaming their partner or whoever they cheated with for encouraging it - then it seems likely there'd be a repeat in the future.
- ilene
just because they were stupid once, does not mean they will be again. may have learnt from their mistakes
- ♥ Stephiepooos ♥
“If I could request your help please, I'm having trouble embedding the friendfeed widget in tumblr. Has anyone done it? Or know how? It's driving me bananas! Thank you!” - http://friendfeed.com/e...
Happy Thanksgiving from an ex pat in England. It's interesting to celebrate it abroad - I've had to ask overseas visitors to bring tinned pumpkin and it gets rationed till the next visit. It sounds a beautiful scene in Paris tonight.
- ilene
My favorite "Thanksgiving in Europe" moment seeing the French confronted with a pumpkin pie. It doesn't go over real well, but we're making strides. Have fun.
- Brad Kligerman
Ah yes, the pumpkin pie moment... 'It has real pumpkin in it?? Ewww! That can't be nice!' I've managed to convert a few, but I still figure it'll be another 10 years before I can buy tinned pumpkin in the shop. I think I'm going to try substituting butternut squash next year.
- ilene
For the past several months I've been following EVERYONE who shows up on my view. Those are participants. People who click like. People who leave comments. I am now following 4,601 people according to FriendFeed. Yet if I look at the larger pool of who is following me there are 21,578 there. Who are these lurkers? Have I caught every participant?
- Robert Scoble
you should get me that many followers lol
- Brendon Wadey
I'm pretty sure I've caught most of the participants. Why? Because I've both begged for people to let me know and, also, because if you look at how 4,000 people link out to other people and get their audiences involved you'll see that they touch more than 100,000 FriendFeeders.
- Robert Scoble
so do you still believe there are >100K FF users Robert? :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Interesting statistic. Seems like a fairly high participation rate. I wonder how that compares to other social media sites such as Twitter as well as Blogs?
- Jeff P. Henderson
It would be great if you could compare numbers with other notables to see if this is specifically a Scoble ratio, or a more generally observed phenomenon.
- Gordon Saunders
Brendon: followers are fun, but following is more important. Someday I'll write a book about why. But, short version is that if you follow smart and interesting people they'll get you involved in interesting conversations. They'll make you smarter and more interesting. Guess what? That'll get you more followers. It's a vicious cycle. I haven't seen anyone with a lot of followers who isn't smart and interesting here (and/or a participant).
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy: yes, there are. Provably so. Just visit the "Everyone" feed and you'll see that most of those aren't in my sphere of influence. Heck, there's an extremely interesting Farsi crowd here that I can't even read, so I don't follow them for the most part.
- Robert Scoble
That is probably the most useful tip I have heard from anyone in quite awhile, it makes sense and is true. But yes followers are fun :)
- Brendon Wadey
The wonders of a larger sample size... see by that standard, I'm following 119, and have 86 following me. Since I've started using FF, I've had ... less than a dozen comments and likes combined. So if I were running these numbers, I'd say - "interaction on FriendFeed is nil - whereas interaction on Twitter is incredible"... then again, my echo chamber resides in Twitter and is small. Breaking through that is the next trick...
- Enrique Gutierrez
Jeff: on blogs the rate of lurkers is much higher. Arrington has a million RSS subscribers, yet how many of those participate in his comments? Only a very small percentage.
- Robert Scoble
Funny, I am subscribed to every single person on this thread so far, which validates that I don't have any participants who I haven't followed yet. Wonder what all those lurkers are doing? I bet that they very rarely visit FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, when you start going into higher numbers; any group of people becomes representative of the general demographics. This means it represents the same classes of people: 20% Leaders, 80% followers. You, Sir, belong to the former. Your numbers are representative of the same fact. I do not anticipate this to change, this is the structure of the society, how we are built.
- Parth Awasthi
@Robert, That is what I suspected. Comparing Blogs to social media sites is an apples to oranges comparison.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Scoble, your point on touching 100,000 FriendFeeders is interesting. Am comparing it to the statistic that LinkedIn shows on people connected to ones contacts..i have 13,000 contacts via the immediate 194 of mine. But purely in terms of engagement/participation am thinking FF beats LinkedIn.
- Mahesh CR
Parth: yes, but this is the first time in history where we have the names of the lurkers! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'd love to know what they're all doing, especially the 15 people that should (by the 1:4.7 ratio) be interacting with my feed. I should hire a team of christmas elves to hook up the comments on my timeline...
- Enrique Gutierrez
Participation is also harder on popular blogs now, with many requiring registration, captchas or email confirmation steps. The harder it is to say what you want, the less likely folks are to bother.
- John
Yea there are many blogs that I go to but never comment, because I don't want to take the time to sign up for that blog nor do I want more accounts with places I might only go to once in awhile.
- Brendon Wadey
The Lost Lurkers of Atlantis. Imagine if they all decided to decend upon a comment thread all on the same day. There should be a count down or something to give it a shot.
- Micah Wittman
@Brendon That is why I wish everyone used Disqus or something where you don't have to sign up just to leave a comment. Cause I personally will not sign up.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
@Robert, I think there are plenty of lurkers that do not participate, but read as they either do not have a significant enough interest in the topics at hand or they do not agree with the views posted and do not wish to start an argument. I believe the latter was very true during the election, especially for those with Right leaning views, who were grossly outnumbered by the Left leaning points of view here on FF.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Yup and hopefully one day that is how it will be
- Brendon Wadey
I'm a lurker, for the most part, I have a hard time bouncing around to everyone's feeds. I really should consider just using FF as my main source. It's so handy.
- Chris Pugh
I certainly hope I'm not a lurker! Though I don't really participate on FriendFeed as much as I'd like. I'm actually more on Twitter and FB than FF, and I've tried to heavily integrate both only to find that I updated too much when I did that. How do you mitigate the overabundance of updates? lol
- Carlton Hackett
What would a social network with no lurkers look like?
- Ziad
Here's the problem. I bet that there are tons of lurkers who don't even sign in, or follow. So, there are now three classes of people here: 1. Participants. 2. Logged in lurkers. 3. Invisible lurkers. I bet that for every one participant there are 5 in #2 and 50 in #3. Participants are worth their weight in gold.
- Robert Scoble
Carlton and Pete: I already followed you, so you aren't a lurker. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Whats great is after commenting on this post a couple of times I've had two ppl subscribe to me in the past two minutes.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
John, Brendon, that's why I'm glad to see Disqus, Backtype, IntenseDebate & other comment mechanisms that avoid the need for that.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I have been added people since this convo as well
- Brendon Wadey
Very interesting, indeed. I had actually stopped reciprocating follows, this being one of the reasons. I figured that, if someone was worth following, I would see them in my view at some point. Otherwise, they are probably not active or don't have anything I want to see. I think FF may be the only service where you can do this.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Is that called "followed by association"?
- James D Kirk
I too agree on who you follow too, it does make you smarter and I need to work on being a bit more involved as well.
- Barbara Duck
I can only think of a couple of possible explanations. I'm sure a certain percentage are just people who never took to the service and never came back. The other explanation is simple enough - in any medium where there are creators and consumers the consumers far outnumber the creators. I'm kind of surprised the ratio is that low actually.
- invariant - farewell FF
@Robert Do you know what your most commented FF post has been to date - how many comments attached? Thanks.
- Micah Wittman
Hahaha @Scobleizer I don't know about this one. Perhaps for someone that has an incredible volume of audience, sure... in fact, I'm sure there's some bell curve you can apply to an equation with enough samples from people. The attention bucket is exponential & variant significantly. such as - 8 readers on my blog, subscribed, but approximately 1000 readers a month. We need to take a sample & get some data & charts going.
- Enrique Gutierrez
Not sure there's much wrong with lurking - Usenet used to encourage a period of lurking before participation to get a feel for the group. Perhaps people are naturally doing the same thing here.
- John
I also want people to realize that just because I don't subscribe back to you doesn't mean I hate you or something. It either means your just not active enough, fill most of your feed with Twitter, Wakoopa, etc or you are just too knew and I don't know yet.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
stats is one of the hardest things to get, and get done right.
- Brendon Wadey
invariant: we always knew that the lurkers far outnumbered the participants. We saw this back in the mid 1990s on CompuServe (where people PAID to participate and read forums, so we had lots of good numbers). Back then it was 1 to 50 or lower. I bet that the real lurkers aren't even subscribing . I think FriendFeed has demonstrated that there's a third group that was unmeasurable before: lurkers who will log in to get something of value or just to try out a service before discarding it.
- Robert Scoble
1:5 particpant vs lurker ratio. That's pretty good ratio in an online community.
- Leon Ho
Another reason: in the time it took me to type my comment this post went from 2 to 40 comments. Everything that needs to be said gets said very quickly on your posts.
- invariant - farewell FF
Micah: I don't know which of my FF items was most commented on. Seems that a very high comment rate is more than 100. It's rare that I see that here. Brendon, agree, stats are full of lies. One thing that's very interesting is that I found three new people on this thread so far.
- Robert Scoble
When someone follows me, I typically look at their content and frequency of posting before deciding to follow them. As Robert said, I 'm looking for quality content also (i.e. stuff that is interesting to me).
- Jeff P. Henderson
Rahsheen, didn't you recently say "if I'm not following you back, it's my fault I'm sorry" or something like that? Which is it?
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Brendon - I don't think it'd be that difficult. You'd have to get a small number of the few types of Internet people out there... all in all - you could probably run this experiment with (arbitrarily) 24~ people's stats
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
Leon: the problem is I don't know the real "lurker" numbers because I can't see FriendFeed's true traffic for my posts. So, there might be 5-100 more "unregistered" lurkers here that we can't see, which would bring down the ratio more to be closer to blogs.
- Robert Scoble
Those numbers are more in line with what I've seen moderating forums and in ecommerce conversion rates. There will never be anything with NO lurkers because there are so many who are afraid to say anything. Forcing people to log in or sign up is a major participation killer, so anyone serious about increasing participation really needs to remove those obstacles.
- Internet Strategist
I've already had two people subscribe to me since this thread started.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I tend to work the opposite way around - I'll subscribe to somebody when I see an interesting post/comment, but unsubscribe later in the rare case that I find I can't cope with their content.
- John
I just finally got a TypePad account yesterday because I really wanted to leave a comment in a blog that required one. The first comment I made was suggesting they remove the requirement to log in. To the blogger's credit he immediately DID remove it AND followed up with me. What we do - every little improvement - makes an enormous long-term difference.
- Internet Strategist
I do a lot of lurking, and I follow a lot of links and Google a lot of things that I've never heard of before. That's how I ended up here, it's also how I found Twitter. I think sometimes it's networking or info overload that causes people to abandon communities or services they've joined or spend more time reading than commenting. It's easy to end up out of your depth.
- ilene
I don't even remember how I found out about Friendfeed. I think it was through Twitter. Hell I don't even know when I joined. Just know that it was sometime in the middle of July...I think.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
@ilene, that is exactly the value of following interesting people on FF. Once you do that, participation is inevitable unless one is very shy.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I also found it through twitter, didn't use it for awhile and just started using it quite abit now, starting to really like it :)
- Brendon Wadey
Friendfeed really is something, I have just spent an hour using this application (yes I consider it an app) and have really been enjoying myself. :)
- Brendon Wadey
Robert: Right. I wonder at what point a high comment count precipitates branching off onto a new FF post or even something longer format (I have had the urge before, but shrug it off b/c the immediacy loses steam). I've noticed you springboard to a blog post at times, but my recollection holds that it's related to a convergence in your broader experience and not specific to a frenzy of response (measured by volume of comments).
- Micah Wittman
@Jeff I've tried that on Twitter, but at least here it seems likely that even if you don't have a direct connection to someone already that you might still get a response. :)
- ilene
I know the blog posting series I want to read: a system to regularly make the rounds of all the appropriate Social Networking sites, keep multiple blogs updated, and stay on top of it all.
- Internet Strategist
I originally viewed friendfeed as a way to keep up on postings throughout the web from the people I enjoy following. I added links to some of my own sources but didn't really expect anyone to follow me. I think a lot of people use friendfeed analogously to an RSS reader but grouped by people instead of websites.
- invariant - farewell FF
Checked email. 2 FF subscribes and a Facebook friend request to boot (I may get to that one in a week)
- Micah Wittman
One thing I have noticed regarding the number of comments and participation on a post is, that it is not only related to the level of interest, but is definitely dependent on the time of day, who, and how many people are on FF at the time. i.e. Friday night is a good time to post if you want interaction.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I would bet a lot of people signed up once to check it out and never came back. There are a lot of ways the site could improve for first-time users, which would improve retention.
- Louis Gray
Posting is good. Interesting posting is better. I prefer people who post when they have something to say, rather than just to participate.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Louis: I bet a lot of people visited it from my blog once and didn't even sign up. Getting people to participate really is difficult, isn't it?
- Robert Scoble
lol @ Jeff P. Henderson - you know what that says about our social lives
- Internet Strategist
@ Louis, that is very true and has been discussed many times here. New FF users do not have a very good experience the first time they use the service until they are following several active people. Those who do not understand this may move after their first visit.
- Jeff P. Henderson
What is even more interesting is people who answer me over on Twitter but won't participate here. That, too, is interesting behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Robert started this by posting the comment to Twitter and here. Does anyone know if he has written anything on Social Media strategies like that one? Or know of anyone else who has? One thing FF could do to improve usability is to put the comment option at the bottom too instead of just at the top.
- Internet Strategist
I second that, Internet Strategist. "Comment" at the bottom, too!
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Plus, no going to the top of the page after subscribing to someone.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Yep, my scrolling finger is getting mighty sore on this thread.... ;-)
- Jeff P. Henderson
For new FF people, I think there should be a part 2 to that lovely video I remember seeing when I first joined. Like a Top 10 list of things to do once on FF. And some recommended followers as well. That should get you off to a running start.
- Amani
Thanks Jeff. Just what I needed. I just figured out how to import my blog feed and to filter anyone's feed to see just their blog posts. How can they be sharp enough to make those easy and not put the comment option at the bottom?
- Internet Strategist
I rarely log in to FF to participate as most of my social circle hasn't adopted FF, let alone Twitter yet. However, I was on FF before you, and for a while I had an 'imaginary' Scoble set up to follow. Now I use the comments feature of the Facebook news feed like I would FF. I don't have time to participate everywhere, so I usually participate where my closest-knit social circle is present. Not sure what kind of a 'lurker' that makes me, but hopefully that gives some helpful insight.
- Mike English
Oh, and I saw this first on twitter, but for once came over to comment.
- Mike English
I just started following you about a week ago only on freind feed. It's really neat to see that you are taking the time to see who all of us are so to speak.
- Enriqueta
I suspect that everyone uses SM sequentially instead of all at once because there are too many. Based on this FF exchange has been far more illuminating than Twitter so far. What we need is a tool that automatically logs in a particular persona to each site. One that we can configure to present links to all potential places to visit and drag and drop them to the priority we prefer. Ideally it would allow a large number of personas and easily switch between them. (That could be a programming challenge.)
- Internet Strategist
Mike: cool, welcome back. I am on Facebook more lately too, but the quality of the conversations are decidedly different, which I find interesting (although the participants have a lot of overlap, which also surprised me). Enriqueta, welcome, hope to see you more!
- Robert Scoble
My info-stream comes mainly from the nexus FriendFeed - Greader with Twitter as the connective tissue. Even when I'm bounced to a source site (blog, news), all of my dialogue (comments, chat) has moved to the FF space. But the trickle down (or up) effect from comments being moved between platforms (blog> Greader> FF> Twitter> blog...) has de-centered the conversation. New protocols to structure this ecosystem (where & under what circumstances to leave a comment, start a conversation) are emerging.
- Brad Kligerman
I can't participate in all smart conversation initiated by all friendfeed's smart guys.. even though I want to.. therefore I lurk..
- Pico Seno
@internet Strategist, Subscribe to Louis Gray here on FF and you well see all of his new articles as soon as he posts them.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I already did but thanks for the suggestion (in case I hadn't figured it out yet). I subscribed to you too. Thanks for the assistance and I do hope you'll visit my blog. It is at http://GrowMap.com and I added it to my feed here so you can get an idea what I post about there. (Filtered posts at http://friendfeed.com/growmap...)
- Internet Strategist
Hmm, I have an even lower participation rate. For every participant, there's at least 6 nonparticipants. @Robert, do you look for new participants in the public feed?
- Tanath
Tanath: yes, I do look there often to see if anyone is doing something I'd be interested in.
- Robert Scoble
I'll wager (fairly heavily) that "lurkers" aren't really even "lurking". Let's face it, if you like FF, it's fun to be engaged, but why on Earth would you just "watch" all this chatter? Seriously, I cannot think of a worse hobby than "I lurk on FriendFeed"...
- Jeremy Toeman
@Jeremy - I disagree. Lurking on FriendFeed can be quite fun, entertaining and informative (not that i'm a lurker). My guess is the lurkers don't read through all the "chatter" but rather skim through and find interesting links and information they may be, or may not be, looking for.
- Justin Korn
Interesting discussion. I'm very new, Twitter and FB about a month ago and FF this week. Still finding my feet or rather still trying not to put my foot in my mouth when commenting. Must get over that and just go for it. Would say I've never seen anything like this before but then, as I said, am new to social media anyway so what do I know. Great being here, already inspired a new work of art :)
- Nicola Quinn
Talk about being super-transparent in a way.
- Ms. B
Ditto @Mike English: "I rarely log in to FF to participate as most of my social circle hasn't adopted FF, let alone Twitter yet. I don't have time to participate everywhere"...and I am pretty much shocked that some people do. My ex-husband, a programmer, and his crowd all Twitter, which is interesting to follow because he and his friends are very smart and all involved in technology,...
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- Colleen
Colleen I agree, it's a strange but interesting world here with few rules which makes it both refreshing and quite exciting. And I love the new topics I've been able to explore which I wouldn't bother looking into any other way. It's also great to be able to reply in more than 140 chars here.
- Nicola Quinn
Jeremy: there are a wide variety of reasons that people would lurk here. Did you know that lots of these threads are showing up on Google now? So, people are finding them on Google, reading them, deciding they are lame, and moving on. Other people are hearing about various things here over on Twitter. Others are hearing about them from various blogs. In fact, if you visit my blog you might see my FriendFeed item on my blog. Are you a lurker? Hmmm.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, shouldn't you be asleep, or packing or something?
- Nicola Quinn
i think you are doing it wrong robert ;)
- Chris Hofmann
I've been frustrated lately with lack of purposeful dialog with me on Facebook and Twitter, even though I've been doing everything I can to get some type of interaction. I'm hoping FF will be the answer I'm looking for in finding actual participants and making true connections.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Chris: of course I'm doing it wrong. That's why I'm following all of you so I can learn the right way to use this darn contraption. Jannifer, welcome, will be looking for you. Nicola, already packed. Sleep? Um, would like to, but got this stupid expense report I'm finishing up.
- Robert Scoble
I signed up because it sounded like a cool idea, really. xD Nowadays I just link people to my FF account and let people find my other social presences from there. It's much more simple for me, in that way.
- Neurario
Can't find who said, why would anyone want to add people they don't know? That's exactly why I joined here to find some new cool friends and repattern my aging neurons with some stimulating ideas and conversations :)
- Nicola Quinn
Bon voyage Robert, have a great trip, Spain is fantastic and hope your expense report didn't give you too much of a headache.
- Nicola Quinn
Lurking is always necessary for a beginner. People learn to participate in time. It's like high school on the net.
- Phil Boiarski
I am not sure your analysis of the lurker stats stands up. Obviously for your feed it is true but to generalize is probably not appropriate. There probably a number of reasons why people lurk on your feed but participate otherwise. First is that comments on your posts tend to get very noisy, very quickly making it difficult and time consuming to participate other than a quick scan. Second is that a lot of FF do not have English as a first language making it even more difficult for them to participate.....
- Brian Sullivan
That gives another really good reason why something like FF is so good. People who don't know English or even another language they could spend there time reading people's posts and even asking questions, and could possibly help them learn that language.
- Brendon Wadey
There may be others as well but they don't immediately come to mind. I think to judge participation you need a broader set of data. How many FFers are there? How many have ever participated? How many have participated in the last day, week, month? I am thinking that participation on a broad scale might be even more than you 4.69 stat indicates.
- Brian Sullivan
You are right, and if you look back into the comments as I said earlier that one of the hardest things to get and to get done right is stats, it's almost impossible to get depending on what you are looking at. But yes, if you can get that information it would show a better picture, and probably would be much more.
- Brendon Wadey
Another problem with using your posts as a gauge-- because of the stupid FF bubble algorithm this post has stopped rising to the top even though comments and likes continue to be added. Even with your posts the participation rate might be higher if this was not the case.
- Brian Sullivan
Echoing a lot of comments here w/ my own take: I'm a sysadmin & programmer on Twitter & FF for a couple months. Believe it or not, none of my family friends or colleagues use either so I have been lurking until I got a feel 4 how it works and until I felt I had something worth saying. To me, there are so many out there that comment and participate with nothing useful to say. I would rather be a lurker than one of those guys!
- Brendten Eickstaedt
As someone who would consider themselves a lurker, I agree with HealthMash. There is quite a bit of participation that adds nothing to the conversation.
- Joseph Ferris
Yes absolutely. What isn't useful, at least 2 me, are comments from people who clearly just want their name out there. As Jim Rome says "have a take and do not suck!"
- Brendten Eickstaedt
2 me FF most useful as the aggregator of my info-stream. I first found of b/c I am on so many social sites I can't keep them all straight. Just point people 2 FF and be done w/ it. Until a couple of days ago I didn't read a single comment or follow a single person. I did use it to find the info streams of other interesting people tho but never followed them. I guess that makes me one of @scobleizers invisible lurkers!
- Brendten Eickstaedt
Yes like others, I get responses not here, seems few people I know are on FF. Interestingly I get more feedback via Facebook via the Twitters I do than Twitter, problem is I'm not getting complaints from FB people about me 'flooding their feed'. If I disconnect Twitter and FB it would literally be like cutting the rope to Facebook, I find little there except the group I know IRL and responses/dialogue to keep me there - games and apps and groups don't do it for me.
- Tim
I actually think part of the problem is there are too many social media sites - competition is spreading groups far too thinly - why I've never signed up to Bebo and delayed with Facebook and Twitter, and only recently signed up with LinkedIn. I felt I had too many others (Livejournal, Podcasts, Myspace, RSS feeds, forums etc). It's only recently I felt those apps had a maturity and enough followers in people I know personally to go for them. Twitter I think has a LONG way to go in that department.
- Tim
Word of mouth and first impressions mean a lot. It took a few enthusiastic comments regarding FF for me to check it out - and I had to make the commitment to try it. It's also nice when the service is clearer - such as the '25 uses for FF' etc posts. Those are great - not everyone will find those. It's important when you're importing what others say. It nearly got me disowned for embarrassing a family member once - and caused us both to quit that particular networking site.
- ilene
I have to agree with Tim on two points. A lot of the members of my site and listeners to my show are not into a lot of these newer social media sites, which is somewhat ironic given that they are techs who do gravitate around two of the oldest forms of social networking on the net - BB forums and newsgroups. Also, these sites are now so numerous the entire arena can be overwhelming.
- Rick Savoia
I wonder if that 4.69 number will go down over time as some people move from lurker status to interactive status? FF isn't for lurkers it's for conversations and not passive users. Lurkers should stick to TV, radio, and other one way media outlets.
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
I think you have missed people. Unless you stop unfollowing from time to time. Perhaps, the comments or likes disappeared before you had time to see.
- MaryAnn Chick Whiteside
I decided to do a little research with FFHolic and it seems the participation rate is around 80% - http://blog.justinkorn.com/index... - right on target with Robert's numbers
- Justin Korn
I think your discovery of such a high "participation" rate just goes to prove that FF is still in the Early Adopter phase. Those 100K or so that are using it, are USING it!
- James D Kirk
i wager 25K "active" users. #1 user = scoble (~19K subs), #1 room = rww (~3K subs). seems hard to believe that there would be any more than that...
- Jeremy Toeman
Divided: why do you want to read a newspaper made by people you don't know? Or buy a car from people you don't know? Or eat a meal made by people you don't know?
- Robert Scoble